Blissey is broken in competitive pokemon. Due to it's enormous HP and it's gargantuan special defense Blissey practically walls 90% of special attackers in the game. And those that can somehow deal with Blissey are either running a set that specially tailored to deal with it, I.e Magma storm heatran who's only use is stopping defensively broken pokemon like Blissey and Toxapex. Or are banned, Kyurem being the best example of this, And even then it had to rely on focus blast, Blissey's walling capabilities are so influential that I'd argue that most special attackers that don't have a way to deal with it are completely useless. Let's look at OU's special attackers for a moment here
Blacephelon has trick(A move with limited distribution)
Dragapult(Access to U-turn allowing it to dodge the blissey match up)
Heatran(Forced to run Magma storm+Taunt+Toxic just to beat blissey one on one, Magma storm's 75% accuracy is also unreliable)
Slowking-G(Blissey walls it, forced to switch out)
Tornadus-T(Has to use knock off on the switch and whittle it down overtime with the help of teammates)
Tapu Lele(Has to run Psyshock over psychic which can hurt in some other match ups, because hitting blissey physically is far more valuable.)
Zapdos(Has access to volt switch to dodge the blissey matchup)
Blissey has access to teleport making it an amazing pivot on top of being the best special wall in the game. Has access to rocks and if all of this wasn't enough it even has access to two amazing abilities in natural cure and serene grace. One of which allows you to prevent it from getting whittled down overtime by just switching out.
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>Somehow Deal with blissey
>252+ Atk Life Orb Kartana Sacred Sword vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Blissey: 653-769 (91.4 - 107.7%) -- 50% chance to OHKO
>252 Atk Choice Band Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Blissey: 1068-1256 (149.5 - 175.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
>252+ Atk Life Orb Rillaboom Superpower vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Blissey: 658-775 (92.1 - 108.5%) -- 50% chance to OHKO
>Completely walled by Leech Seed Ferrothorn, who also can do this
>0 Atk Ferrothorn Power Whip vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Blissey: 222-262 (31 - 36.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leech Seed damage
I would simply switch to a physical attacker
It's the only Johtomon in OU besides Tyranitar and you want to ban it? Why do you hate Johto?
The real question is: what's the proper way to use Blissey?
Any special attacker with base 100+ HP and Substitute can use it as setup bait
Read closely, It was talking about Special attackers in particular.
And even in the case of Physical attackers, You seem to forget that Blissey also has teammates and 5 of them. Including Toxapex who practically walls most Blissey checks because they have to be careful on the switch otherwise blissey statuses them with Twave or toxic. and even this
>Completely walled by ferrothorn
isn't accurate because blissey has got such a moronic movepool you could simply slot in flamethrower instead of a status move, Is it a moronic idea, Of course, but then ferro can't wall it anymore, and Kartana gets smashed on the switch.
0 SpA Blissey Flamethrower vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Ferrothorn: 180-216 (51.1 - 61.3%) -- 92.6% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
>Flamethrower Blissey
>https://www.smogon.com/stats/2022-06/moveset/gen8ou-1825.txt
Not even a 2% chance of getting it.
That doesn't mean it's bad, And again you said it was completely walled by ferrothorn and I provided a counter argument against that notion.
You seem to forget that Ferrothorn also has teammates and 5 of them.
>Remove Rocks or Status from Blissey
>Flamethrower vs Heatran
Here, your whole thesis is wrong again.
Cool heatran still has to run 3 specific moves in magma storm-taunt-toxic to beat blissey one on one, Otherwise blissey simply heals the damage heatran dishes out, thanks to natural cure + soft boiled and eventually beats it with seismic toss. And Magma storm only having 75% accuracy makes it pretty unreliable in it's own right, Plus you also have to successfully connect with blissey. And then you have to hope the blissey player actually stays in to get hit by the magma storm to begin with.
>Toxic
>Switch Out to anything that isn't a 90-10 matchup for Bliss
>You don't have Heal Bell but you have big dimes Flamethrower
>Eventually you'll have to Switch out Blissey, not because the pokemon that its facing is a threat but because you cannot get rid of the badly poisoned status because you are a moron and gave the fat pink blob Flamethrower
>Nor you can make a smart Teleport switch because you have Flamethrower
If you want to get into specific situations, Flamethrower fricks you so hard that you can't even conceive why in the name of hell you gave it the move in the first place.
>That doesn't mean it's bad,
It does actually mean that it fricking sucks lol. Why would you put Flamethrower on Blissey before ANYTHING mentioned on the list below
| Soft-Boiled 97.511% |
| Seismic Toss 95.998% |
| Toxic 85.892% |
| Stealth Rock 76.971% |
| Teleport 16.426% |
| Thunder Wave 6.990% |
| Heal Bell 6.745%
Flamethrower gives it the ability to actually threaten ferrothorn. Not getting hard countered by one of the best mons in the tier is a pretty valid reason to run a move plus you can also beat Kartana as well so it's not like it's the absolute worst move you could run on blissey. The reason it's not ran more often is because the other moves are more consistent and they choose to have a worse match up against ferrothorn overall.
Because having a better matchup into Ferrothorn or Kartana should never be Blissey's problem. This is just a misunderstanding of team building basics.
I used Blissey in my last Platinum playthrough. It was terrible and died in one hit pretty much every time. Decently strong though and learns all kinds of moves. Solid 3/10.
>0 SpA Blissey Flamethrower vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Ferrothorn: 180-216 (51.1 - 61.3%) -- 85.3% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery and Leech Seed recovery
Ferrothorn is slower than blissey so it loses 9/10 in that instance.
Blissey luring in Ferrothorn gives you a much easier time against it and let's mons that are otherwise walled by it to have an easier time breaking it. A lure set can work wonders. Flamethrower also hits specific mons harder than seismic toss like corviknight which could force it to roost allowing a free switch for you.
Anon, you're still not seeing the problem with Flamethrower Blissey. You are crippling Blissey in order to get the edge in some matchups (Who are all really destroyed by one of Bliss most common teammates: Zapdos)
It's not optimal, it's not good. It doesn't work wonders, it's a low-reward moronic-risk move.
"Crippling Blissey", You really aren't, Blissey will still fill it's primary function, Being a big fat wall against special attackers, Flamethrower allowing it to beat one of it's common checks without having to worry about switching zapdos into a knock off is much appreciated as well.
>"Crippling Blissey", You really aren't,
You really are, lol. This shouldn't be a question to anyone with a decent elo.
>You got Knock Off'd by Ferrothorn just because you wanted to Flamethrower it.
The Boots of Blissey are literally the only reason why it finally won the usage war against Chansey. Being able to switch as much as you want without taking unnecessary cheap damage is absolutely necessary.
Do you play the game?
Blissey has more advantages over Chansey than just boots, It's less crippled by knock off and yes absorbing a knock off that would have possibly crippled your zapdos does constitute a good use of blissey. If your opponent is switching ferrothorn in on Blissey then flamethrower is a clean 2HKO meaning Ferrothorn is either forced to switch out. or Die putting your opponent down a pokemon and arguably a pokemon that they needed to check some of your other team members who are very threatening otherwise. Blissey losing boots might suck, but at the end of the day an itemless blissey is far superior to an itemless chansey. Blissey has a sp atk stat that is far more usable than chansey's hence why we are even having this conversation about flamethrower to begin with.
>Blissey has more advantages over Chansey than just boots
Not with Eviolite on, and history says i'm right. It wasn't until the boots that Blissey knew what OU looked like because Eviolite-Chansey was just better overall.
>Is a clean 2HK0
>0 SpA Blissey Flamethrower vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Ferrothorn: 180-216 (51.1 - 61.3%) -- 85.3% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery and Leech Seed recovery
Somebody doesn't actually play the game.
>If your opponent is switching ferrothorn in on blissey
I guess Ferrothorn has a magical ability to set leech seed up while switching in on blissey.
>Oh no, Blissey Flamethrow'd Ferro for 50% HP
>*Switch Heatran, because Blissey CAN'T do anything but switch or keep the fire spam*
>Oh no, now i have to 100% switch if i don't want to get heavily damaged. I wonder which move would save me from this ;-;
If you're opponent has ferrothorn and heatran on the same team. "predicting" the switch into heatran and switching into something which has the advantage over it isn't exactly difficult. And ferrothorn is still damaged meaning a mon that it used to check means that it might not be able to check it anymore.
You realize that this same logic could be mirror-applied and flamethrower Bliss loses heavily in the comparison?
In that case the blissey player switches into their own teammate, Something like Garchomp can easily deal with Heatran for the most part.
>Ferro used Protect
>Blisstard used Flamethrower.
>"I'll switch into Heatran, he has to back up. Wait no he is a moron he'll switch in Garchomp because who tf plays Flamethrower Bliss?"
>Ferro stays, Garchomp comes in
>Blisstard Forfeited!
>Blisstard's New Rating! 1200 -> 1181
>NormalAnon's New Rating! 1222 -> 1241
Now i'm asking you to post elo because every single circumstance you've posted has a mirror that fricks Bliss harder than Ferro, because there is no way you actually think that Flamethrower has a use besides "owning" the thorn ball
What part of
>If your opponent is switching ferrothorn in on blissey
Don't you seem to understand.
>You need ONE guy to say: "Besides my team having a Physical attacker (Probably Urshifu) to check Blissey, i'm sending Ferro for no smart reason"
My bad, you are a moron
>Blisstard's New Rating 1100 -> 1078
Blissey used thunder wave/toxic.
Blissey has 5 other teammates, The fact that a single pokemon can blanket check every special attacker in the tier is blatantly unhealthy. Add this to the fact that those other 5 slots can be used for dealing without other threats in the meta and you have the average balance team.
The truth is staying in and clicking flamethrower in that situation, is the right move anyway, if you have something that can respond to heatran on your team which shouldn't be hard considering any decent team should be prepared for it.
>Blissey used thunder wave/toxic.
No it didn't. You have Flamethrower.
You forget that people wouldn't expect flamethrower and thus would be afraid to send in their physical attacker in case it gets crippled via status.
>The fact that a single pokemon can blanket check every special attacker in the tier is blatantly unhealthy.
How bout a single mon being able to compress the roles of almost every other mon and having insqne usage yet will never get banned? (frick lando T)
>Blissey used thunder wave/toxic.
Blissey can't learn toxic.
Stop playing fanfic garbage.
But since the prediction is so obvious he'll know I'm predicting the switch to heatran, therefore he keeps ferrothorn in
while we're talking niche bullshit, if ferro is running protect you're forced out even with flamethrower since it's recovering 30% per turn.
>252+ Atk Heatmor Coaching vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Snorlax: 554-654 (105.7 - 124.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
>252 Atk Life Orb Kartana Helping Hand Power Spot boosted Leaf Blade vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Gastrodon: 2610-3078 (612.6 - 722.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
>still mad blissey beat him in the battle frontier
dude, get over it
I like the asymmetry. Special attackers have to deal with chansey/blissey. Physical attackers have to deal with burn/intimidate
>Blissey practically walls 90% of special attackers in the game
hey, at least it doesn't wall literally half the game like it did in Gen 2 and 3, and Chansey did in Gen 1
i wanna frick it
people have been b***hing about bliss since gen2
get some new material already
> Blissey practically walls 90% of special attackers in the game.
There's a reason this thing has base 10 def idiot.
Blissey deserves Fairy typing
Q: Why?
A: It's a fat and pink with tiny useless arms
Q: but that would make it OP?!
A: design consistensy is more important than your fanfic meta
>ITS PINK SO IT'S A FAIRY LOLOLOLOL
>GameFreak: That's False
>LOLOLOLO POST PEPE MEANS IT'S TRUE
>be pink mon from gen 1 line
>be clefairy and wigglytuff
>become fairy
>chansey?
>DoYH!
>Schizoranting from a jobless pepe Black person
>Gamefreak: No, lol
OH NO NO NO NO
mindbroken incel lmao
>"T-THIS IS TRUE"
>*Empiric evidence of it being false*
>(Buzzword salads)
Post another Pepe
Blissey is gay, but not nearly as gay as lando troony
>Slowking-G(Blissey walls it, forced to switch out)
Do people not use Psyshock on all their psychic types just for shit like this? Or have I derped and G-Slowking is one of the bizarre psychics that don't get to use Psyshock?
Everyone uses future sight now
>Fanfic meta
In the actual game only point to Blissey is to go for lol Serene grace blizzards
>Poor man's Togekiss ParaFlinch
Is this gen2? Because gen2 Blissey is pure gay. I love how 90% of Johto is shitmons and then they gave Chansey an evolution.
Why does is wild Blissey the only pokemon in BDSP to have lucky egg hold item
But wild Blissey doesnt exist in BDSP? Like how does shit like that come up
Blissey is important because it maintains the balance of physical and special attackers.
Physical attackers need to deal with Intimidate, burn, and side-effects of contact moves.
Special attackers need to deal with Blissey.
It's completely fair.