Can it be added to the list of soulsclones that suffer from this?
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This is inaccurate - STR deals 6 damage and DEX deals 4
Sort of. Technique is definitely better but Strength in Lies of PP sucks ass for different reasons than usual.
>list of soulsclones
lmao even souls suffers from this. str is very much secondary to dex in ds1 and er on launch, but it seems like they buffed the recovery on all the str weapons in more recent er patches so maybe it's better now.
str was enormously better than dex even on launch, you could absolutely steamroll the entire game with jumping attacks
>Unironically being a moron str apologist
>"It's good because you can spam jump attacks that leave you open for punishment!"
>n-no.. ignore katanas having stellar base damage, three times the swing speed and shitting out a billion bleed damage with no Arcane investment whatsoever
have a nice day, i'm serious.
imagine consolewarring this hard over this topic jesus christ you're wrong inherently
It's not consolewarring, it's just being correct. U dumb fool ur going on my rape list
yeah i was using colossal in er before the buff then they buffed it and everyone was like
>wooooowww its viable nowwww
like jfc people u suck ass
>jump attacks that leave you open for punishment!"
lol
>str is very much secondary to dex in ds1
Really?
The Zweihander / Dragon's Tooth meme game?
Are there even any good dex weapons in that game?
As for ER dex was only better due to the glut of dex/int options and int was the true broken stat.
>Are there even any good dex weapons in that game?
Bro your chaos blade?
Insane dps, bleed, speed and fast recovery. S tier in pve and pvp.
Chaos Blade and that thing in the DLC are good but you get zweihander at the very start, and strength gets the black knight weapons. If we’re talking about PvE, Strength DESTROYS dex. Also the qualaag fury sword is better than chaos blade with 10 humanity.
>str is very much secondary
>easily the strongest in DS1
>still very strong in 2
>a little lacking in 3
>back to insanely strong in ER
man maybe you just suck
to be fair specifically colossals in ER are hot garbage and took multiple patches to now be in an ok place and if you picked those and didn't test the other big weapons you might come to wrong conclusions
>specifically colossals in ER are hot garbage
they were never bad though, use jumping attacks and sneak in those charged heavies. You get staggers all the time for ez and safe big damage.
lack of poise was the biggest nerf imo
>inb4 BUT YOU GET POISE DURI-
shut the frick up thats not poise
Anon I don't know what you're smoking they were always terrible. Only the last fricking patch they fixed aimpunch which alone made them pretty garbage. Even when using jumping heavies they sucked because of moronic recovery compared even to to colossal gs
>they were always terrible
again, only if you actually suck balls at the game and refused to use jumping and charged attacks. They are busted, and always have been, when you do so. I never understood the people trying to gaslight others into thinking they were ever bad.
I beat patch 1.0 ER within the first week with Guts weapon. You are just bad. It was good from minute 1.
colossals you colossal moron, not colossal ugs
there's a big difference
the hammers? They were great too. I had them as secondaries if I got bored with UGS. Did just as well with them, I just didnt like the look as much for my fashion.
Hell, dual wielding them was even better than dual UGS in my experience.
Not greathammer, those were always fantastic, specially my wife great stars.
I'm talking specifically the colossal weapon category which include all those big slow low damage weapons with moronic arcs that whiff 2/3 of the time and have a full extra second of recovery after every jump attack
>I'm talking specifically the colossal weapon category which include all those big slow low damage weapons with moronic arcs that whiff 2/3 of the time and have a full extra second of recovery after every jump attack
what weapons then if not the "colossal " hammers or the "colossal" swords?
https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Colossal+Weapons
these
everything here but giant crusher and fallingbeast jaw is hot garbage
giant crusher is great and what I was referring to with the hammers
yeah that's the one good one specially with Royal Knight Resolve it used to delete everything
wrong.
>giants halberd
>watchdogs staff
>axe of godfrey
>hot garbage
Before the last patches? With aimpunch cucking you every other attack? Absolutely.
halberd
never lost to it
>watchdogs staff
nobody used this
>axe of godfrey
ironically jobs to the axe of his diluted descendant
>but muh pvp
didnt ask
>but muh pvp
use a real weapon like picrel you dogshit Black person
>violent screeching noises
k
The shittiest thing is that greathammers and greataxes have almost identical damage with colossals but also lower weight, lower requirements and faster attack speed.
let's be honest er weapon category division is moronic
You are right that their recovery frames needed a buff, they buffed them across the board though. imo it was probably for PvP, before they made PvP and PvE changes separate. colossals absolutely not need more than a recovery frame buff.
I used guts up until rock slab unga magic sword
that shit slapped so hard all the way through NG+7 at launch. I was actually baffled when I heard from buffed it.
I believe 3 is the easiest once you go full bonk mode. 3 has the worst shields so you'll be two handing and rolling the entire game.
Get Vordt's mace early on and the entire game is a cakewalk, even bosses get staggered by charged R2.
Strength is actually at its strongest in DS1 and doesnt really make a comeback until ER jump attack
>str is very much secondary to dex in ds1
Great club>
garbage dexgays have
You are objectively shit and don't know what you are talking about. Strength dominates those games and then some
STR face fricks the entire game in DS1.
Most enemies just get launched by any attacks from big weapons and bosses who usually don't even flinch are stunned in a few hits.
Specially with how you can softcap your damage stat with only 26 STR and then dump everything else into vitality and endurance.
And I'm not even going to mention the BK weapons.
People have this weird thing with ER where they somehow think STR = slow, powerful weapon and DEX = weaker, faster weapon as if it was a role playing game where the fantasy behind the attribute name mattered. Attributes in that game are meaningless numbers. Using STR katanas thanks to infusions was a perfectly viable way of playing STR builds on launch, and thus STR was good enough even though big meme weapons sucked.
I don't get it.
Just because theoretically the damage lines up mathematically doesn't mean two different stats are equal. The point being made in the graphic is DEX only needs to invest in one stat while STR needs to invest in multiple stats to be viable. All the while DEX can operate comfortably at range.
>wide swings hit multiple or moving enemies
>strength is more often a requirement for shit like armor
>high damage single hits are usually massively better than small consistent damage
>WOE IS ME THERE ARE ALSO DOWNSIDES
Strength sissies are the most obnoxious homosexuals in existence. They will b***h and cry if anything else is a viable option, always.
strength is overpowered in armored core but strength gays still b***h about you not beating the game if you use a lightweight build
I've been doing fine by spamming charged heavy attacks with my STR weapons. being able to parry makes it usable since frick dodging and no shield sucks.
Is dex really that much better?
not a souls game
Nah, STR is definitely better than DEX in Lies of P.
Not only does STR do more damage, they also suffer less chip damage if you fail to parry and block instead, also for some reason DEX has a shittier damage scaling than STR.
Pic related is a comparison between arguably the 2 best weapons for STR and DEX on an equal 30/30 STR/DEX build, note that STR has better damage scaling (the + damage stat) on A scaling compared to DEX.
The only downside I can think of for STR weapons are the slow charge attacks, which can be important when you want to stagger bosses once their HP bar flashes white, so you need to pick a good opening to do it without getting hit and getting the attack canceled.
>27% more damage
>can only do one hit with gs in the time sword hits 3 times
>STR iS BetTeR
You can barely do 2 attacks even with dex weapons between your parry dance when you're fighting a boss, I would know since I played a STR build on NG and am currently playing a DEX build on NG+ and it feels harder in comparison.
I'm not a parry god, so the chip damage when blocking with a DEX weapon really hurts compared to using a STR weapon where the damage is negligible.
Look out everyone he has ms paint! We're in trouble now! Lmao
Why does the game developer look like Snidely Whiplash?
i just go str because ungobonga
salt and sanctuary bros laugh with their scizzors runing into danger
dex gays did not beat the game
Never played a souls clone where STR wasn't the babby mode.
Every single souls game and souls clone benefits STR more than shitty little twig weapons. They are, always, ALWAYS easy mode.
Multipliers, stagger, range, and oneshot potential just make it so much easier. HAVING to attack multiple times is always worse.
You buff your damage. You buff your damage harder. You buff your damage real fricking high. You use your heaviest attack, hit like a tactical nuke and the enemy gets deleted from the game.
Code Vein? You get the Fortified Zweihander early on, and that's it. Bosses don't even last thirty seconds
Salt and Sanctuary is over the moment you get the claymore and after the Jaws, lmao
Nioh? You use rage buffs with an Axe, use the golf swing and annihilate stagger bars in a single attack.
Etc.
Conversely, try using seriously using daggers in any of these. That's the real suffering right there.
The higher your skill level, the better fast weapons. If you suck, big weapons can carry you, but at higher level of play they are just flat out worse than fast dex weapons.
You speak of buffs, yet are ignorant to the fact that all buffs in souls games are flat, which means you get the most out of buffs with several fast attacks than one strong attack.
this is why people were told to go dex in souls. its not because its the easiest but because its the hardest. Noobs got tricked by gatekeepers wanting people to play on hardmode and 10 years later they still tell you dex is best.
>hardest
STR stops being good once you encounter the first boss that jumps around like a moron and doesn't stagger from anything.
I have never heard this. Everyone uses Str even with a single straight sword.
it was a thing like 11 years ago.
>dont use a shield, two hand your weapon
>go dex
>take off your armor you move faster
was all advice meant to make the player play in the most engaging way possible instead of brute forcing the game with blocking/poise/poise breaking strength weapons.
They told you to kill the ninja for the flip ring too
parry dagger, misericorde, and reduvia work
this drawing is the biggest fricking reach I've ever seen in my life, you have to purposefully convince yourself that the bks icon looks even remotely like that
Its not just souls clones that suffer from this imbalance. Action games in general and fighting games all suffer form this shit. Slow lumbering weapons/characters that are SUPPOSED to make up for their lack of speed/movement/cancelling options with big damage numbers always get fricking mogged by their fast speedy counterparts. The balancing out always looks good on paper but in practice, superior movement and tech options are always king. Being able to take more hits doesnt mean shit if you can have the tools to not get hit in the first place.
The real cause for big heavy attacks being shit is that all action games adhere to the principle that taking ANY damage is bad. You sometimes get hyper armor with a damage reduction, but it's always the most useless and conservative implementation.
I would love to see an action game (not a souls like, an action game like DMC or Ninja Gaiden) where a slow, low movement, high damage moveset is actually viable. Thing is, like you said, the whole guiding principle of those types of games is to NOT get hit in the first place, which is why everything is built around moving around and cancels. Also because that's more fun to play. The only thing I can think of is just giving the player a ton of hyper armor to facetank everything but thats just stupid and boring. Maybe someway to earn that armor in battle first, then use it for big attacks, i dunno. I just wish big STR weapons/dudes were more viable and fun in general.
>I would love to see an action game (not a souls like, an action game like DMC or Ninja Gaiden) where a slow, low movement, high damage moveset is actually viable.
play monster hunter
>Also because that's more fun to play
Is it? How is "let the boss AI dictate the flow" preferable to "make your own flow"?
>imvest
Why tf do fromtards literally invent features that don't exist in the game?? In reality dex and str plays almost the same
That garbage franchise must be a japanese psyop
can be added to the 'every game' list, dex is almost always broken in every single game you can stack the stat
Crit should scale with STR
Attack speed should scale with DEX
Does anyone just skip most elite enemies when you can? They feel so not fun to fight. I don't know whar it is but parry doesn't feel as fun in this game as Sekiro, it just feels slow and awkward because of delay and inflated HP.