There's a weird bug with the survey stats because it doesn't show the Deck's OS in the overall OS share view, but if you filter by Linux only then it becomes the most popular option.
The real source is Valve made it up. STFU it's fake numbers.
>LINUX OVERTAKES MACS USERS ON STEAM
I'm surprised it took this long.
Literally the only situation in which I ever see any mention of MacOS in the context of PC gaming is when I look up an older game on PC Gaming Wiki and there's a note at the top about how the Mac port doesn't work anymore because Apple dropped 32-bit support.
Steam Tracker own by Valve as WHOIS says Valve owns it. There i did it, Valve owns the website and faked it.
On the contrary, it's just beginning. SteamOS might be the savior of Linux gaming if they release it as a standalone.
Year of the Linux desktop baby >wintoddlers seethin' >itoddlers seethin' >tendies seething' >consolegays seethin'
We fricking one tuxbros
>no evidence, stands by corp that is in legal trouble in doing crimes.
Loyal fanbase of crazy people found.
what incentive do they have to inflate numbers when they get the same amount f money no matte what os you use?
They do it to make you the customer believe in company growth. Valve does not grow, they do not make things better, they only hire people and do backdoor deals with publishers.
9 months ago
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>They do it to make you the customer believe in company growth.
but this has nothing to do with company growth, the stats always add up to 100% whether there are 100 users or 1 billion, if linux increases something else has to go down and in the end you have 100% again, the breakdown of that 100% literally doesn't matter for their profit
9 months ago
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I can smell the taste of seething,
Where did the penguin touch you?
Look even if you say "ThE sUrvEy", that too is a lie by Valve loyal fanbase who can lie. There is nothing to confirm these numbers, Valve only sources means only Valve.
9 months ago
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the survey itself collects the data, they don't ask you to fill the data yourself
9 months ago
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Doesn't that mean Valve can definite lie because you never bother to check if it's real numbers or not.
esl
NOOO DO NOT REDEEEEEEM BLOODY b***h
>Obscenely irregular capitalization >What the frick is this grammar >i proof you wrong
Holy frick I can smell the designated street from here
No one cares about your English with a dumb ChatGTP can beat your american school test. pathetic
9 months ago
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you have yet to establish any reason whatsoever to lie about user breakdown. Number of users is a completely different metric from what's being discussed.
9 months ago
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>valve is lying about these numbers because... >reasons
No, for the last time I don't want a fricking extended car warranty. Stop calling me.
GOOD MORNING SIRS
Valve only, we know it's from Valve, WHOIS website says it's from Valve. Valve only collects data. Valve blocked API of Data collection.
It's clear Valve does not want anyone else to valid their claims. There is no way to claim the numbers are real. We can not access the data.
9 months ago
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Please stop replying to me, I didn't order a 2000 apple laptop from amazon that you need to confirm with my credit card info.
9 months ago
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>no reason given for them to lie, again
[...]
Why re you lying, you cant defend them either, the numbers either exist or don't. Only Valve owns that data not you.
>4) >actually defending patent trolls who say nobody is allowed to put buttons at the back of a controller without paying them >5) >the one who consorts with beasts eternally seething that he can't sell steam keys on his own site for cheaper than the price listed on the steam page
These are the worst cases against Valve that you can come up with? Long live the Valve "monopoly" I guess.
>EU court
Ah, so nothing untoward actually happened
>nooo you can't sell the game cheaper for turkey/argentina/whatever and prevent people from richer countries to abuse the system!
good job, europe, now people from poorer countries can't get cheaper keys becasue it hurts the feelings of germans or something
Did you forget real lawsuits from real governments or do you believe they are fake?
9 months ago
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>no reason why they'd lie, again
is this a bot? you literally do not even address the people you reply to. If you aren't a bot, use a name
9 months ago
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>pajeet literally cannot read the posts he's quoting >keeps replying to it
You truly were built for call center work.
Like you're any better, you're defending company that lies a lot.
9 months ago
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>pajeet literally still not reading the posts he's replying to
I DONT WANT YOUR CAR INSURANCE
9 months ago
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>pajeet literally cannot read the posts he's quoting >keeps replying to it
You truly were built for call center work.
9 months ago
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EU 'courts' are just an extortion racket to shake down American businesses for money whenever the EU's coffers are running low.
9 months ago
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Valve also stole the gaming controller patent for USA company. Valve is still a criminal.
9 months ago
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>Valve also stole the gaming controller patent for USA company
the company they "stole" it from is a patent troll and i wish an eternal torture in hell with wiener torture for patent trolls
9 months ago
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No they aren't: https://scufgaming.com/gaming/why-scuf/what-we-do
9 months ago
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the lawsuit was remanded after an appeal because there were tons of examples of prior art (including the N64 controller) that the court just decided to not look at initially. so yes, it's a patent troll company acting like they own the idea of buttons on the back of a controller
9 months ago
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>what we do >patents patents patents patents >more than 161 patents (granted and pending), but we won’t stop there.
Sounds like a patent troll to me. The fact that they also manufacture hardware doesn't change that. They're probably the biggest reason controllers have stagnated, because as Valve found out, any small improvement can be a patent infringement.
>Make a bad scribble of a Xbox controller with two vague rounded rectangles on the back in 2014 >I now own the entire idea of any buttons on the back of a controller!
Just requires you to ignore the prior art from the 1980s, the fact that the Steam controller in no way resembles an Xbox controller, and uses an entirely different mechanism for its rear grip controls.
i don't think many people realize that the patent office will more or less rubber stamp anything you send them. you don't even need to show a working device in most cases. usually only during a lawsuit does it finally come to light that the patent was fricking moronic and an attempt to patent something that was done over 9000 times before.
They arent "patent troll", they are https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corsair_Gaming
the keyboard and mouse you used was built by them. And if you even cared about lawsuits, you know they did not lose, they mishandle paperwork.
Corsair didn't makes the patent you wiener mongler, they bought the company that did several years later. It's like saying Microsoft made donkey kong country because they bought rare
9 months ago
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Still own by Corsair, court papers say Corsair is part of this lawsuit. It's Corsair, the one and only.
The whole point of Patent Trolls is to drag things out as long as possible to wear down the opposition. Microsoft has used hollowed out companies that used to make good stuff for a long time as their undead minions. Read up on SCO vs IBM.
Microsoft paid them to slow down and drain the resources of their competition, Valve just had the resources, and the facts, to actually fight it.
No Valve is guilty of their crime, the case has been settled and someone mess up the paperwork.
9 months ago
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Owned by Corsair but not made by them, the lawsuit was started by scuf several years before being acquired by Corsair as well. And the case hasn't been settled yet.
9 months ago
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>Lose based on the merits of the case, due to a bullshit patent that never should have been granted. >But your only business is baseless patent lawsuits, and Microsoft paid you a bunch of money to keep Valve out of the market >So you blame Zoom
This is the same level of shit as SCO's "We own UNIX" claim.
Hopefully it won't take a decade or more to put an end to it like that case did.
>The jury voted unanimously against Valve
It's over guys: https://www.polygon.com/2021/2/3/22264213/valve-steam-controller-lawsuit-scuf-4-million
A jury voted unanimously, not the judge or anyone else, It's a group of random people that said Yes to Valve stealing.
This went through covid-19, do not blame lawyers when normal things are court hearings were closed. Mishandling happens in law, it's uncommon but it happens.
9 months ago
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valve appealed after that
9 months ago
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No they didn't, a mishandling happen
>The CAFC affirmed all but the latter holding, explaining that the later-discovered prior art that was not part of the IPR petition must be held to a “skilled searcher” standard that it is the burden of the patent holder to prove is subject to IPR estoppel.
yes, valve willfully infringed a patent, but a patent that should not have existed because of prior art. that's what valve was trying to argue. i agree with them and you should too because it's the patent holder that is holding back obvious controller designs because they say "nuh uh, we have a drawing somewhere with it" despite decades of prior art.
9 months ago
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I don't make dumb American laws and it's your American problem that should be fixed. The outcome does not change the facts.
9 months ago
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the fact that patenting back buttons is moronic and holds controllers back?
9 months ago
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I am glad we agree that the problem is with American patent law and not Valve
9 months ago
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>Lose based on the merits of the case, due to a bullshit patent that never should have been granted. >But your only business is baseless patent lawsuits, and Microsoft paid you a bunch of money to keep Valve out of the market >So you blame Zoom
This is the same level of shit as SCO's "We own UNIX" claim.
Hopefully it won't take a decade or more to put an end to it like that case did.
9 months ago
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The whole point of Patent Trolls is to drag things out as long as possible to wear down the opposition. Microsoft has used hollowed out companies that used to make good stuff for a long time as their undead minions. Read up on SCO vs IBM.
Microsoft paid them to slow down and drain the resources of their competition, Valve just had the resources, and the facts, to actually fight it.
9 months ago
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>what we do >patents patents patents patents >more than 161 patents (granted and pending), but we won’t stop there.
Sounds like a patent troll to me. The fact that they also manufacture hardware doesn't change that. They're probably the biggest reason controllers have stagnated, because as Valve found out, any small improvement can be a patent infringement.
9 months ago
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>Make a bad scribble of a Xbox controller with two vague rounded rectangles on the back in 2014 >I now own the entire idea of any buttons on the back of a controller!
Just requires you to ignore the prior art from the 1980s, the fact that the Steam controller in no way resembles an Xbox controller, and uses an entirely different mechanism for its rear grip controls.
9 months ago
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i don't think many people realize that the patent office will more or less rubber stamp anything you send them. you don't even need to show a working device in most cases. usually only during a lawsuit does it finally come to light that the patent was fricking moronic and an attempt to patent something that was done over 9000 times before.
9 months ago
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They actually showed their design before parenting it... Which would actually invalidate patent protection
9 months ago
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>no reason given for them to lie, again
9 months ago
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No, for the last time I don't want a fricking extended car warranty. Stop calling me.
9 months ago
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>valve is lying about these numbers because... >reasons
9 months ago
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GOOD MORNING SIRS
9 months ago
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esl
9 months ago
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I can smell the taste of seething,
Where did the penguin touch you?
9 months ago
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>Obscenely irregular capitalization >What the frick is this grammar >i proof you wrong
Holy frick I can smell the designated street from here
9 months ago
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>here is a picture to proof my point >not even a QRD >it's just a picture showing some links
9 months ago
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Here is a picture of Valve backdoor deals with publishers. They committed a crime and EU found them guilty.
They are criminals
9 months ago
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>EU court
Ah, so nothing untoward actually happened
9 months ago
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>nooo you can't sell the game cheaper for turkey/argentina/whatever and prevent people from richer countries to abuse the system!
good job, europe, now people from poorer countries can't get cheaper keys becasue it hurts the feelings of germans or something
9 months ago
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The EU doesn't give a frick about Argentina or Turkey, just prices within the EU market.
Funnily enough israelitetendo also got caught running a pricing fixing cartel in Europe during the 90s and early 2000s and got fined like €150 millions.
9 months ago
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this has nothing to do with price fixing
9 months ago
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Does Steam no longer artificially limit the ability in where you can activate a game based on certain regions within the EU?
9 months ago
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>Price fixing is an agreement (written, verbal, or inferred from conduct) among competitors to raise, lower, maintain, or stabilize prices or price levels.
Again, this isn't price fixing, moron. This shit wasn't about valve telling publishers what price to give to their games.
9 months ago
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Do I look like I give a shit about some legal terminology? I was just shitting on Nintendo.
9 months ago
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iirc nintendo had pretty much the control of production of carts for their system, they decided how much of a third party game would be printed, probably to keep certain prices. Not relevant to the valve discussion tho
9 months ago
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Price fixing is when two or more competitors agree to not sell their products below a certain price.
9 months ago
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>4) >actually defending patent trolls who say nobody is allowed to put buttons at the back of a controller without paying them >5) >the one who consorts with beasts eternally seething that he can't sell steam keys on his own site for cheaper than the price listed on the steam page
These are the worst cases against Valve that you can come up with? Long live the Valve "monopoly" I guess.
9 months ago
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>They do it to make you the customer believe in company growth.
showing company growth does jack shit for valve. customers don't care. they're not public so there are no public investors to care.
There's a weird bug with the survey stats because it doesn't show the Deck's OS in the overall OS share view, but if you filter by Linux only then it becomes the most popular option.
Flatpak version of Steam. It's distro agnostic so it works well with any distro even ones that don't have propietary software on their main repo like Fedora.
Flatpak is a package manager that puts every installed program in an isolated environment so that installing a single compromised program doesn't give your entire operating system AIDS.
A negative change doesn't mean there's no growth, it just means other operating systems grew faster. The Linux percentages got especially fricked up when the billions of Chinese people all started using Steam at the same time.
9 months ago
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I'm just judging from your image. Where are the results, i wanna see w11 adoption rate.
9 months ago
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Just go look at the Steam hardware survey. >Windows 11 64 bit >36.67% >+0.92%
https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam
9 months ago
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Thanks.
lol at these loud w7 users screaming they won't update.
9 months ago
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>me using w10 and making fun of w7 users who won't upgrade knowing i'll eventually end up just like them
9 months ago
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>knowing i'll eventually end up just like them >10bros thinking they have a choice
It's not too late to retvrn to sovl, before your computer mysteriously restarts in the night for a forced update and you wake up to an 11 logo.
9 months ago
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*turns off TPM 2.0*
Your move, Bill-sama
9 months ago
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>me having moved on to Kubuntu when LTSC 2019 stopped working with newer games (Satisfactory Update 8, Cyberpunk 2077 patch 1.63)
won't be long until linux community will say SteamOs doesn't count just like android since they hate mainstream and simplicity.
9 months ago
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there's logic behind that though
how people interact with Android on their mobile devices is far different than how desktop linux works
just like how chrome dominates web browser usage but it counts both desktop and mobile chrome which is deceptive since they're still entirely different experiences and designing a website or web app for one does not mean it will work well on the other, for example
>Ubuntu is a popular Debian-based distribution commercially sponsored by Canonical Ltd., while Arch is an independently developed system built from scratch. >The two projects have very different goals and are targeted at a different user base. Arch is designed for users who desire a do-it-yourself approach, whereas Ubuntu provides a preconfigured system. Arch presents a simpler design from the base installation onward, relying on the user to customize it to their own specific needs. Many Arch users have started on Ubuntu and eventually migrated to Arch. >Arch development is not biased towards any one particular user interface beyond what its community provides support for. Furthermore, Canonical's commercial nature has led them to some controversial decisions, such as the inclusion of advertisements in Unity's Dash menu and user data collection. Arch is an independent, community-driven project with no commercial agenda. >Ubuntu moves between discrete releases every 6 months, whereas Arch is a rolling-release system. >Arch offers a ports-like package build system and the Arch User Repository, where users can share source packages for the pacman package manager. Ubuntu uses the more complex apt, and allows redistribution of binary packages via Personal Package Archives. >The two communities differ in some ways as well. The Arch community is much smaller and is strongly encouraged to contribute to the distribution. In contrast, the Ubuntu community is relatively large and can therefore tolerate a much larger percentage of users who do not actively contribute to development, packaging, or repository maintenance.
It's up to personal preference.
tf2 bots call the steam API directly and dont literally have a client open, they never get the HW survey
If they actually did the Linux number would be MUCH higher than 2%
Pretty sure those surveys are opt in I don't think anybody running any sort of bot would participate
of course this also means linuxgays are much more likely to participate than others to promote linux
Linux users tend to be awkward. So you get the infiltrator who comes in and is like "TEEHEE, I AM THE LITTLE GIRL AND IT MAKES ME SO HAPPY." and then it just spreads from there as a fixative social contagion. Because the growth of transgenderism as a bloc is driven by weird porn-addled coomers falling to AGP and AAP.
aren't macs pretty much dead outside of industrial arts
they continually alienated their own userbase and people were just using the underlying *nix layer so the tech savvy just moved to more promising distros
i feel like the same will eventually happen to windows, not nearly as fast but as inevitably
it feels like even common folk are getting tired of uncontrollable updates on their personal systems, much less how they can add/remove/change functionality overnight
Unlike Windows, MacOS was never even close to the market leader, it will happen but im doubtful our generation will live to see it, nothing lasts forever.
I picked up an (m1) mac a couple of years ago as my daily driver and it's been fine.
I tried using debian for a while, but I would just run into problems with programs i need to use just not running (some could run through wine, but the experience was an unusable buggy mess).
Obviously I don't use it to play vidya.
macs are dead outside of people who used them growing up and cant move on
Mac has something like 20% market share when it comes to PC OS. They're very popular with upper middle class and the wealthy, as a show of status. Go into some hipster-y upstart business and you can guarantee the receptionist has an Apple.
I feel like I'm about to do something I'll regret so give me some insight. I've been using Pop OS for two months now and it just werks. I've been playing a lot of games and even managed to get photoshop to run through wine. I've learned quite a bit already and looking at it in a practical way, there's no reason for me to change anything. The thing is, I'm really getting this itch to try Arch. Now that I'm more used to how Linux works, I feel like I'm ready to try something more advanced and the quicker a get into it, the faster I'll be able to 'master' it. The problem is the I'm a bit concerned that I'm moving too fast and Arch will be a bit too hard for me. What are your thoughts? Should I give it more time? Two months ago I knew absolutely nothing about Linux.
You probably won't regret it.
When I first switched to Linux I used Ubuntu for about a month, then Manjaro for a few days (it broke obviously lol), and after that I installed Arch. It's been my go-to distro since.
Arch is just as easy to use after the initial installation hurdle. The constant breakage on update is an ancient meme, as long as you follow a couple of golden rules things will just werk:
-No partial upgrades. That means no pacman -Sy (apt update equivalent of Arch) just because a package you want to install has been updated and you only want to refresh the cache to install that thing. Always perform a full system upgrade if you need to refresh the cache.
-Merge the new versions of config files that pacman doesn't automatically replace. Install pacman-contrib and use the pacdiff tool to compare the old and new files after updates.
Note that you can install new packages without updating the cache. If "pacman -S whatever" works, it's fine to do. If it gives an error, that means the package has been updated and although running pacman -Sy will let you install the new version without updating your whole system, you shouldn't do it because the package might force you to update system libs and the new versions could be incompatible with other software on your system. That's why you never use -Sy by itself, always do -Syu and update the whole system.
Compared to apt, "pacman -Sy" is "apt update" and "pacman -Su" is "apt upgrade", but you can just combine y and u in one command and it's easiest to always do that.
the rules i follow are just >update regularly so breakages can be handled one at a time
or >update only when you have to/have time to fix everything. packages can't break if you never change them.
oh and just keep all your dotfiles/config on a private server or the cloud. that's by far the most valuable part of one's setup, so you don't need to dread losing your system entirely.
Once you get it running it's a breeze. Arch Wiki is literally the best resource for maintaining any distro ever so if you are literate you'll have no problems
I went for Gentoo right away, as others mentioned: Follow the install guide without being moronic, afterwards it's as easy as any other distro.
You'll learn a lot about how your OS works, will have easier time troubleshooting anything in future. Personally I installed Gentoo on an USB stick while leaving my PC completely intact, set up Steam and such, made sure games and other programs run, then moved that partition over to my SSD and everything worked perfectly
Please don't listen to these no life morons. Arch is VERY well known to break just cuz. And when arch breaks, sometimes, it collapses altogether. Stick with what works. >T. Fool who left mint for arch
You could install and test drive Arch in a VM first so you don't destroy your current Pop OS install in case you feel unsatisfied and want to return back.
Some people like self improvement >this game's too easy, let me bump up the difficulty >the weight's too light, let me add another 15 pounds >this distro's too handholdy, let me try something more advanced
>Less than 10% of Linux users are on Wayland. No amount of cope can change that.
In other words 10% of Linux users have gay shit in their OS while 100% of Windows users do.
>Less than 10% of Linux users are on Wayland. No amount of cope can change that.
In other words 10% of Linux users have gay shit in their OS while 100% of Windows users do.
> 100% - 10% = 10%
smartest penguin
9 months ago
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>90% > 100%
least gay windows user
9 months ago
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>telemetry stats
that's all the normies that use the distro defaults, should change fast as more and more distros are making wayland the default and nvidia are starting to get their shit together
9 months ago
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>should change fast as more and more distros are making wayland the default and nvidia are starting to get their shit together
2 more weeks
9 months ago
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people are inherently adverse to change, it will take time.
9 months ago
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>people are reluctant to switch to the inferior technology
shocking
9 months ago
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>inferior >the other option is Windows 11
lol
9 months ago
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>telemetry
Which anybody who knows it exists disables. >18 month old article
lol
You got the LGBT flag on windows 11 if you enabled news https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/how-do-i-remove-the-pride-flag-button-that-reads/e20ea079-3950-45db-ba70-2ad36280dc32
I think I'm going to go Ubuntu or something when W10 support goes off although UI of Ubuntu is not great. What kind of idiot did implement a drop down menu which automatically changes its value when a pointer hovers and a mouse wheel rolls?
I don't think I could completely ditch Windows but at least I'm gonna use qemu for it
linux DEs are bad but hopefully get better by the time an exodus occurs
i would just learn to be comfortable with the command line though since that's all most GUIs do underneath and at least with linux distros what you'll learn is portable to different systems
Funny how Valve put so much effort into making their entire catalogue playable on Macs, only for Apple to destroy it all by killing 32bit apps. If I open Steam on my Macbook there are about 40 good games I could've played a few years ago. Now? There's about 4 or 5, and the every single Valve game is broken. Bravo.
I traded those headphones for GTA collection (up to 4), only to find out later that it was worth twice as much, it doesn't bother me, I just found it funny
who the frick plays on a mac
I did, I had mac mini from my work and played Hollow knight and Crosscode on it, both were surprisingly well optimised for that piece of shit, since it choked even on most 2D indie games
back when I sold them, they were worth around 20 and the GTA bundle was ~10, but yeah, not complaining, played those games a ton, I even replayed 3 and VC with Re3/ReVC recently
https://venturebeat.com/games/apple-defends-end-of-opengl-as-mac-game-developers-threaten-to-leave/ they didn't even support the latest version of opengl before deprecating it, it was behind both linux and windows drivers
>opengl died because apple refused to give them “food stamps”
so you’re saying that apple, microsoft and google together killed opengl?
is microsoft supporting opengl?
is google supporting opengl?
no?
why is everything that happens in tech, happens because tim apple said so?
are you mayhaps a moronic sheep who hates le ebin ebil company because the internet told you so?
It's not based because he's being dishonest about the gun thing, just like they always do they pretend to want milder controls and then once they get that slowly strip away more and more.
>There was no reason for Valve to do this other then they wanted to make their own OS for their own device.
Anon we've literally known this since 2015 when rumors started about a Steam Box, you're not sharing some kinda incredible insight here.
Another super obvious reason they went with Linux you failed to mention is that they actually have control over the OS and can make the necessary low-level changes. ASUS can't do that with Windows on the Rog Ally and subsequently the user experience fricking sucks.
They don't want to be dependent on Microsoft as they keep actively sabotaging the desktop PC. Pushing gaming support on Linux is in their best interests.
i just looked at the compositors available on wayland and what they can do
yuck
https://hyprland.org/
this is supposed to be the hottest shit on wayland right now but their website doesn't even work on my machine
i also just don't like red hat but not much i can really do about that innit
it's red hat's way of further controlling the tech stack in linux
it does have technical merits over xorg like issues with tearing and multi monitor sync rates but man every time i try it, it just feels like an alpha product and i sent my machine back 2 decades
Used a linux distro or two in the past, just the most mainstream and accessible ones
Not bad, but because i use it for video games i just can't see myself using it again until more game devs and the like release linux versions of their games
>one OS that is famous for having pisspoor compatibility with gaming is overtaking another OS that is famous for having pisspoor compatibility for gaming
I've never met anyone who made less than 75k a year who owned a Mac desktop. Too poor.
Macintoshes as an actual computer suck, but it simply cannot be denied that wealth/status and Mac ownership are strongly correlated. Rich people don't want to be seen using a Windows PC. Same with watches, doesn't matter that a G shock is the better watch, rich people buy Rolex. Simple as. Welcome to the world of luxury goods
>t.
I am currently using GrapheneOS to communicate with you, I operate on higher plane of schizo autism
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>I've never met anyone who made less than 75k a year who owned a Mac desktop. Too poor.
Macintoshes as an actual computer suck, but it simply cannot be denied that wealth/status and Mac ownership are strongly correlated. Rich people don't want to be seen using a Windows PC. Same with watches, doesn't matter that a G shock is the better watch, rich people buy Rolex. Simple as. Welcome to the world of luxury goods
Just shows you how stupid rich people actually are.
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The goods you own are a form of marketing. Imagine if you had a realtor show up in a rusted out old Camry. Would you trust him to do a good job, compared to the realtor who shows up in a polished late model Mercedes? Probably not. On a smaller degree, computers can be the same way. If the business is running cheap shitty laptops Black personrigged to work because it's "cheaper" it means normalgay customers will see your business as probably being ran on the cheap, as compared to the business that has clean new Macs everywhere.
Why do you think businessmen wear suits? Image.
not for gaming, no
windows dominates japan
there's a lot of great *nix software from japan but i have to imagine if those people game they just dual boot or something
While it is technically possible to install a new distro while keeping the same bootloader, _you_ shouldn't try it and it would likely have no benefit anyway,
Also GRUB is not the only bootloader, systemd-boot exists and is better.
what happens if I execute a malicious program through wine
It would probably work
Probably depends on the virus, might run or it might not run. If the prefix is sandboxed it shouldn't have access to your actual files
If you ever run malware in a VM/sandbox make sure it has no network connection.
>systemd-boot exists and is better.
I just followed a guide and it told me to use GRUB >_you_
I don't know why but this felt like an attack. You just made a very stupid enemy, my friend
that's kind of the point of a bootloader provided you install the new OS on a separate partition
if you mean completely switch over then i'm sure whatever install guide you follow will help you from scratch
>LINUX OVERTAKES MACS USERS ON STEAM
I'm surprised it took this long.
Literally the only situation in which I ever see any mention of MacOS in the context of PC gaming is when I look up an older game on PC Gaming Wiki and there's a note at the top about how the Mac port doesn't work anymore because Apple dropped 32-bit support.
I know, and I respond to it with that post every time I see it to drive home the point that modern Linux has basically nothing on it that can trace itself to code that Torvalds wrote. Hell, Torvalds didn't even write the original software; he nicked most of it off of Minix which was an open source version of Unix designed for CompSci students (which Torvalds was when he 'created' Linux), and then just gave it a user-friendly look. Every single modern distro was made by somebody else.
Anyone who supports gun control should be thrown through a time machine to experience the killing fields.
The reason Linux has any real popularity is the general reason you don't want the government messing with the right to own arms. Let's say society decided that Microsoft are experts when it comes to software and gave Microsoft the exclusive right to decide what software is allowed to release into the public space so that Microsoft can curb the presence of malware and software that can be abused by bad actors.
>Windows 7 actually gained users
I finally got asked to take a hardware survey a couple days after like 6 years of nothing when I declined last time.
I hope I helped.
based fellow win 7 bro. Although I'm out of those steam statistics since i turned off steam update and just use it offline (I don't want that annoying countdown; I basically use it as steam controller app now).
I’ll probably go back to Linux whenever I get around to buying a new PC. I have a work laptop now but don’t feel like reinstalling everything.
I don’t know how people have trouble gaming on Linux, even 6-7 years ago pretty much everything I tried ran fine with PlayOnLinux.
>'unknown' OS spikes to 15% for three months then disappears back in the aether
My synapses are sparking
Statcounter uses faulty polling methods which can cause spikes like these. A few months ago they reported like 20% Linux use in my country. Same could be said about Valve too though, never forget that month when million of Chinese people skewed the stats. It's better to just look at the trends.
Anyone know a good voice changer for Linux? The ones I always see haven't been updated in years and only have like 10 voice options. Would VoiceMod work with Wine?
My issue with Linux is no one ever makes programs for the niche problem I have regarding homebrew. Like, how am I supposed to use Wii USB Helper on Linux?
They often do though. And you could try running it in wine, usually works.
Or just use it in Windows. If I needed to do that I would, but I haven't yet. It's not like I can't use Windows just because I use Linux. They are tools.
Deck represents about half of this month's increase in Linux stats. MacOS also increased, just not as much as Linux. It looks like people are dropping their old Windows systems as their primary gaming system. The number of 10 series and older Nvidia GPUs declined quite a bit, and AMD Linux grew.
modern macs are ARM devices
you have to go through two translation layers to game on them
they get like 15fps in cyberpunk 2077 doing this on an m2 ultra
what if i just want to play civ 5 and roller coaster tycoon 3 for the rest of my life, would they just run on mac no problem or do i need to have additional software running
Valve screwed over the Artifact fanbase by cancelling the Artifact 2.0 beta without even allowing users to invite friends like they said they would in January 2021 and does not deserve your financial support for these gross consumer-unfriendly practices.
in a previous thread I was recommended to use endeavouros, which I installed on usb and testing it only using firefox and I noticed that the ram usage was very high
I am seeing that almost nobody recommends it now, what do you think about it?
if you're running off a usb there's every reason to hold whatever comes off the usb in memory for as long as possible. ideally you never want to be reading from it except at boot. it's slow as shit.
This shit here
https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=284076&p=3
affect me. Help! It's actually a kernel issue, but I don't know what is going on cause journalctl is anal about it.
That's probably the wisest course of action. All I found on forums and gitlab issue pages is basically everyone being unsure what exactly causes this issue.
Not him but I was also having ring gfx timeouts a few months ago (6900xt) it went away with an update to mesa. This is pure conjecture but I think it's a generic error message or it's a hardware issue that can be fixed with software, I'm no dev so I can't say for sure.
I use mesa-git, but I doubt that this is the issue for me. Downgrading the kernel fixed some crashes, but others still exist. Crashes happen during specific events in games, so I guess it's some sort of vram issue. I could downgrade mesa and try again, or figure out how to temporarily increase the log output detail.
I have never seen anyone playing on a mac. I think it's common knowledge by now that macs are only for work and graphic design.
Also >linuxtrannies are only 2% of steam users >2%
lol, lmao even. I thought there were more than that. From now own I will just ignore every linuxtroon thread. They're irrelevant.
These threads are actually there so morons like me can ask question so someone with an IQ above 90 can help me out while making fun of me.
So basically it's a quid pro quo. I get help and they get to satisfy their humiliation fetish
Nice of you to say. I try to somewhat give something back by trying to make funny posts since these threads are very nice and I hate to disappoint you. I still use Manjaro
it's not meant to be used to ship games, and it clearly won't have the same amount of work as proton has. It's there to give devs an idea more or less how good the game runs on mac
a good chunk of that is probably Steam Deck users, no that there's anything wrong with that, the majority of pc users don't build their own computers either
Really? I started using it and I noticed barely any difference.
Some online and Unity games don't work properly but that's why I use dualboot. Otherwise the experience of just watching stuff and shitposting is the same as on any other OS
>17 days of uptime on my arch desktop without updating
huh i thought this was "unstable" or something. firefox definitely starts leaking a lot of memory after 3 days though.
Apple doesn't really care about Macs anymore, but it still exists for 3 reasons.
Not having to rely on another company to provide dev kits for iOS.
It is the only officially supported source for UNIX Workstations with the Adobe Suite which is a captive audience willing to spend tens of thousands of dollars.
Upscale laptops for brand awareness.
The only thing Windows has over mac and Linux is games, and when you're playing those games, you're playing them IN SPITE of Windows, not because of Windows.
Windows doesn't even really have games anymore. Everything in modern versions of Windows runs through a compatibility layer. The Windows of today has almost nothing in common with the Windows that that put Microsoft on top.
This is why Proton works so well when compared to modern Windows, they operate essentially at the same level, and unlike Microsoft's compatibility layer Wine is an actively maintained project with a well maintained code base.
Yeah that tends to happen when you mandate all of your computers use a special snowflake chip (M1) that literally no one else uses
Instantly made their computers incompatible with the majority of the games that used to run on mac, and killed all hope of a macOS version of proton ever being a thing.
>killed all hope of a macOS version of proton ever being a thing.
Not entirely, although that was likely part of Apple's interest in going to their own custom hardware. Valve just has to add something like Box64/Box86 into the stack, something I suspect which has always been on their long term roadmap because Valve like Apple doesn't want to rely on x86 if its fate is tied to Windows.
The new Macbooks have great battery life. I used the M1 Macbook pro I got from work on a 12 hour plane ride and it lasted the entire trip with like 20% battery left. This was about 8 hours of Pycharm and 4 hours of movies.
not him but this sounds actually nice.
was thinking of buying a macbook air when my laptop dies. do you think the airs are good too?
I am using my laptop mostly for vscode and multiple browsers for work.
Its unfortunately one of the only options out there nowadays, ever since most other laptop manufacturers stopped supporting sleep mode due to MS's "modern standby" bullshit. You can't even escape it by running Linux since it has to be supported in the BIOS.
>actually checking every day for stats on your favorite operating system's usage on steam >do this for over 15 years >finally overtake fricking Apple macOS >SEE GUYS! SEE! WE'RE RELEVANT AFTER ALL THIS TIME! >IT ONLY TOOK OVER A DECADE BUT NOW YOU FINALLY SEE
Yeah that tends to happen when you mandate all of your computers use a special snowflake chip (M1) that literally no one else uses
Instantly made their computers incompatible with the majority of the games that used to run on mac, and killed all hope of a macOS version of proton ever being a thing.
Even without the Deck, AMD users running the open source drivers are on top, followed by people playing casual games on Intel graphics, followed by poor souls stuck with aging Nvidia cards.
Which distro is simply installing the system, typing "hackerman hackerman hackerman download working Nvidia drivers and Steam" in the console and then simply playing the games without any problems?
nobara brings up a prompt that is literally "you have an nvidia card. download the proprietary drivers?" and you click yes and it does all the work for you. it also has optional installs for openrgb, obs, discord and some other shit. made by the same dude who does wine-ge.
Probably not the thread to ask, but does anyone know a solution to the discord stream audio issue? It's the one thing bothering and I find myself switching to my Windows drive just to stream a game to a friend.
looks like it needs to be fixed discord side and they've been dragging their feet, but I found this https://github.com/maltejur/discord-screenaudio
OBS + https://github.com/Glimesh/broadcast-box
>Probably not the thread to ask, but does anyone know a solution to the discord stream audio issue? It's the one thing bothering and I find myself switching to my Windows drive just to stream a game to a friend.
Mac had OpenGL (used by games), but was laygging behind in support compared to other operating systems and didn't support the latest versions before depending it, then they went and dropped support for 32 bits which also killed most native Mac games that existed at that point. Then the new macs are arm instead of x86 so games would have to be rebuilt or go through a translation layer (which would incur in a performance penalty) to be playable. Also the current graphics api Mac supports was made by apple and only supported by them.
there is no best for gaming distro, they all use the same aka wine/proton.
I wouldn't suggest arch to linux first timers, just go with ubuntu and if you're more confident in how things work go on arch.
The differences in distros are usually just what it comes with, the package manager, and what you're allowed to get from the repo. Depending on how new your hardware is you can just grab whatever and the difference is negligible. If you have new hardware and a certain version of the kernel is needed that a more stable distro won't have for a while, you want something like Fedora or Arch. Arch needs more setup instructions, so if you just want to do shit now it isn't the best choice.
its a big hitter
survey often won't catch stuff for some time and I do wonder how they handle users who use desktop and a steam deck (whether survey includes both OS or just one)
that said survey hasn't popped up for me in over a decade
>that said survey hasn't popped up for me in over a decade
surveys are meant to be random to account for sampling bias. a lot more steam accounts now than there was a decade ago, too.
Biggest problem with Mac right now is Apple's moronic approach to adopting graphics APIs. Rosetta 2 gets me pretty insane performance out-of-the-box so the change in ISA isn't too big of a deal.
No one wants to use Metal, Tim Cuck. Un-deprecate OpenGL and give us an actual Vulkan implementation you gay israelite.
>the Microshit game runs worse on Steam Deck
meanwhile: in the real world games keep getting ported to PC without shader caching enabled and Valve's handling of Vulkan shader caching solves that day 0 for us
>d-doesn't count! >muh shader cache
Only applies to steam kek with fixed hardware. Shader JIT still happens in Vulkan too
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Only applies to steam kek with fixed hardware
nope works for all of us since the shaders get cached by others using your hardware/drivers before the games are even opened
9 months ago
Anonymous
Still has to be JIT compiled at some point. Meanwhile every serious developer is adopting DX12 and DXR while Vulkan is left to hobbyists and autismos. DirectX wins again
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Meanwhile every serious developer is adopting DX12
and completely shitting the bed at doing so lmao
that's the whole problem and why we get to laugh when the ports run like shit on Windows yet are fine on Linux
DirectX is unironically making Linux look better as a result
9 months ago
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>DirectX is unironically making Linux look better as a result
See above benchmark.
>vkd3d is somehow mogging dx12 on most modern releases
lol nope
freeshit graphics APIs need to die
Windows is winning
9 months ago
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>Ratchet and Clank runs better >Elden Ring never needed "fixes" for stuttering day 0 >FF7R ran better at launch >Wo Long didn't have stuttering issues for me day 0 >Hogwarts Legacy had no stuttering day 0
9 months ago
Anonymous
My copy of R&C even ran well on an HDD on Linux, I bet it wouldn't have on windows
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Ratchet and Clank needed DirectStorage, no Vulkan equal >Elden Ring ran best on Xbox (DirectX) at launch
also >Halo Infinite ran better on Windows >Every emulator ran better in DX12 than Vulkan at launch, most still do >All that massive compatibility advantage for Windows
Vulkan outperforms directx. The real reason m$ bought activision and zenimax was to kill vulkan before it got too much adoption.
Nope. DX12 has always been ahead of Vulshit
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Ratchet and Clank needed DirectStorage, no Vulkan equal
DirectStorage isn't needed on Linux because we already have an async io_ring natively
still runs better on Linux >Halo Infinite ran better on Windows
more Microshart 🙂 >Every emulator ran better in DX12 than Vulkan at launch, most still do
emulators typically run better on Linux but you do you, wiseguy
lastly: >Elden Ring ran best on Xbox (DirectX) at launch
lmao see you moron, we're talking about PC gaming here not peasant gaming
9 months ago
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>moron thinks DirectStorage is only async IO >more crying that Microsoft doesn't count >emulators typically run better on Linux but you do you, wiseguy
LMAO most emulators are way, way better on Windows. I know because I've tried them on Steam Deck and it's frickin awful.
>what we need is a single company to control the graphics api space
end your existence as soon as you can>
[...]
the fact that any games work better on linux when going through a translation layer is already a massive embarrassment.
>>what we need is a single company to control the graphics api space
But that wouldn't happen? You still have Apple.
Also funny how freetards always call for the death of proprietary APIs because apparently it's so great to have one company (Khronos Group) controlling the graphics API space when it suits their desires
9 months ago
Anonymous
Lmao you're so cute shilling for Billy boi.
Emulators are still better on GNU/Linux though.
9 months ago
Anonymous
that's like saying it doesn't matter if only one out of nintendo, microsoft and sony remain in the console space because there's atari! apple is completely irrelevant for pc gaming
9 months ago
Anonymous
DirectStorage is a meme and we literally don't need it, suck it up pajeet >I know because I've tried them on Steam Deck and it's frickin awful.
you dual booted on your steam deck to benchmark?
or are you so moronic you decided to compare desktop hardware to an iGPU?
9 months ago
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>you dual booted on your steam deck to benchmark?
Yes. And despite Valve's jank day 0 windows drivers it still was better than steamos.
I will give them points for usability however, as Windows lacks a good handheld mode right now
9 months ago
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>Yes
aight where's the benchmark, street-shitter?
9 months ago
Anonymous
thinks DirectStorage is only async IO
R&C works better on linux
9 months ago
Anonymous
>AC vs battery power
nice try.
9 months ago
Anonymous
this isn't the switch, you don't get any extra power from docking or charging the deck
9 months ago
Anonymous
Ackshually, Elden Ring ran best on GNU/Linux at launch.
9 months ago
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>Sucking microsoft's dick this hard
Play some real games instead of running emulators
9 months ago
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>Ratchet and Clank needed DirectStorage, no Vulkan equal
What a moron you are. R&C doesn't need DirectStorage, and there's no need for Vulkan to have an equal implementation when it already works. As a matter of fact, DirectStorage started off as a copy of Linux's open source technology. >Elden Ring ran best on Xbox (DirectX) at launch
Actually true. Yet it still had issues on Windows (DirectX) but no issues on Linux (Vulkan). Interesting. Past tense btw. >Halo Infinite ran better on Windows
Another past tense btw, implying that it runs worse on Windows currently? And logically Microsoft first-party titles should have a bigger advantage over Linux? And yet FH5 is the only game where that is the case. >Every emulator ran better in DX12 than Vulkan at launch, most still do
This isn't even true. Every single emulator that supports Vulkan runs MUCH better with Vulkan. Xenia is the only exception when it comes to emulation on Linux. And the emulation community usually scoffs at emulators without Vulkan support in current year as well.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>at some point
at the very launch of the game at worst instead of during gameplay, and you can make it compile automatically in the background before launching games if you prefer that.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Vulkan outperforms directx. The real reason m$ bought activision and zenimax was to kill vulkan before it got too much adoption.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I wodner if they'll force id to switch from vulkan to dx12
9 months ago
Anonymous
Already did.
9 months ago
Anonymous
They'll probably kill id altogether
9 months ago
Anonymous
Already happening. idTech7 exclusively supports variable rate shading in DX12. Good thing too, Vulkan needs to die
9 months ago
Anonymous
>what we need is a single company to control the graphics api space
end your existence as soon as you can>
>Ratchet and Clank needed DirectStorage, no Vulkan equal >Elden Ring ran best on Xbox (DirectX) at launch
also >Halo Infinite ran better on Windows >Every emulator ran better in DX12 than Vulkan at launch, most still do >All that massive compatibility advantage for Windows
[...]
Nope. DX12 has always been ahead of Vulshit
the fact that any games work better on linux when going through a translation layer is already a massive embarrassment.
9 months ago
Anonymous
shader precaching existed before the steam deck was even announced, it gets compiled ahead of time, not just in time.
>lived long enough to see the homogenization-corporatization of Linux
I mean, it was a closed case with Android being very popular around the world, but this?
>"See all that pretty GUI and big corpo buckz flowing throught the entire Loonix software ecosystem? Yeah, we Windozenin' now! Thanks Gayben and Red Hat/IBM for the ethical telemetry and spying you do on us!!!!!"
"Embrace, extend, extinguish" is going stronger than ever, it never died out but morphed. Free/Libre software, however, fricking died.
are you moronic? steam's distro is only usable on steam deck and the next biggest distro is arch which is made by the community. And things funded by valve for gaming that you'd want to use even if you didn't use steam are open source
>Being this desperate to have a Chinese rootkit in his computer
I hate normalgays https://www.pcgamer.com/ransomware-abuses-genshin-impacts-kernel-mode-anti-cheat-to-bypass-antivirus-protection/
Gacha,loot boxes and battle passes should all be fricking banned
Source:
https://www.phoronix.com/news/Steam-Stats-July-2023
The real source is Valve made it up. STFU it's fake numbers.
Wincels seething that their time is over.
Prove it
Steam Tracker own by Valve as WHOIS says Valve owns it. There i did it, Valve owns the website and faked it.
You're coping pretty hard there, buddy
>no evidence, stands by corp that is in legal trouble in doing crimes.
Loyal fanbase of crazy people found.
They do it to make you the customer believe in company growth. Valve does not grow, they do not make things better, they only hire people and do backdoor deals with publishers.
>They do it to make you the customer believe in company growth.
but this has nothing to do with company growth, the stats always add up to 100% whether there are 100 users or 1 billion, if linux increases something else has to go down and in the end you have 100% again, the breakdown of that 100% literally doesn't matter for their profit
Look even if you say "ThE sUrvEy", that too is a lie by Valve loyal fanbase who can lie. There is nothing to confirm these numbers, Valve only sources means only Valve.
the survey itself collects the data, they don't ask you to fill the data yourself
Doesn't that mean Valve can definite lie because you never bother to check if it's real numbers or not.
No one cares about your English with a dumb ChatGTP can beat your american school test. pathetic
you have yet to establish any reason whatsoever to lie about user breakdown. Number of users is a completely different metric from what's being discussed.
Valve only, we know it's from Valve, WHOIS website says it's from Valve. Valve only collects data. Valve blocked API of Data collection.
It's clear Valve does not want anyone else to valid their claims. There is no way to claim the numbers are real. We can not access the data.
Please stop replying to me, I didn't order a 2000 apple laptop from amazon that you need to confirm with my credit card info.
Why re you lying, you cant defend them either, the numbers either exist or don't. Only Valve owns that data not you.
Did you forget real lawsuits from real governments or do you believe they are fake?
>no reason why they'd lie, again
is this a bot? you literally do not even address the people you reply to. If you aren't a bot, use a name
Like you're any better, you're defending company that lies a lot.
>pajeet literally still not reading the posts he's replying to
I DONT WANT YOUR CAR INSURANCE
>pajeet literally cannot read the posts he's quoting
>keeps replying to it
You truly were built for call center work.
EU 'courts' are just an extortion racket to shake down American businesses for money whenever the EU's coffers are running low.
Valve also stole the gaming controller patent for USA company. Valve is still a criminal.
>Valve also stole the gaming controller patent for USA company
the company they "stole" it from is a patent troll and i wish an eternal torture in hell with wiener torture for patent trolls
No they aren't: https://scufgaming.com/gaming/why-scuf/what-we-do
the lawsuit was remanded after an appeal because there were tons of examples of prior art (including the N64 controller) that the court just decided to not look at initially. so yes, it's a patent troll company acting like they own the idea of buttons on the back of a controller
They arent "patent troll", they are https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corsair_Gaming
the keyboard and mouse you used was built by them. And if you even cared about lawsuits, you know they did not lose, they mishandle paperwork.
https://cafc.uscourts.gov/opinions-orders/21-2296.OPINION.4-3-2023_2104462.pdf
Real US paper courts in updated format. READ IT.
Corsair didn't makes the patent you wiener mongler, they bought the company that did several years later. It's like saying Microsoft made donkey kong country because they bought rare
Still own by Corsair, court papers say Corsair is part of this lawsuit. It's Corsair, the one and only.
No Valve is guilty of their crime, the case has been settled and someone mess up the paperwork.
Owned by Corsair but not made by them, the lawsuit was started by scuf several years before being acquired by Corsair as well. And the case hasn't been settled yet.
>The jury voted unanimously against Valve
It's over guys: https://www.polygon.com/2021/2/3/22264213/valve-steam-controller-lawsuit-scuf-4-million
A jury voted unanimously, not the judge or anyone else, It's a group of random people that said Yes to Valve stealing.
This went through covid-19, do not blame lawyers when normal things are court hearings were closed. Mishandling happens in law, it's uncommon but it happens.
valve appealed after that
No they didn't, a mishandling happen
>The CAFC affirmed all but the latter holding, explaining that the later-discovered prior art that was not part of the IPR petition must be held to a “skilled searcher” standard that it is the burden of the patent holder to prove is subject to IPR estoppel.
https://ipwatchdog.com/2023/04/04/split-cafc-partially-reopens-door-valve-attempt-overturn-4-million-patent-infringement-ruling/id=158967/
yes, valve willfully infringed a patent, but a patent that should not have existed because of prior art. that's what valve was trying to argue. i agree with them and you should too because it's the patent holder that is holding back obvious controller designs because they say "nuh uh, we have a drawing somewhere with it" despite decades of prior art.
I don't make dumb American laws and it's your American problem that should be fixed. The outcome does not change the facts.
the fact that patenting back buttons is moronic and holds controllers back?
I am glad we agree that the problem is with American patent law and not Valve
>Lose based on the merits of the case, due to a bullshit patent that never should have been granted.
>But your only business is baseless patent lawsuits, and Microsoft paid you a bunch of money to keep Valve out of the market
>So you blame Zoom
This is the same level of shit as SCO's "We own UNIX" claim.
Hopefully it won't take a decade or more to put an end to it like that case did.
The whole point of Patent Trolls is to drag things out as long as possible to wear down the opposition. Microsoft has used hollowed out companies that used to make good stuff for a long time as their undead minions. Read up on SCO vs IBM.
Microsoft paid them to slow down and drain the resources of their competition, Valve just had the resources, and the facts, to actually fight it.
>what we do
>patents patents patents patents
>more than 161 patents (granted and pending), but we won’t stop there.
Sounds like a patent troll to me. The fact that they also manufacture hardware doesn't change that. They're probably the biggest reason controllers have stagnated, because as Valve found out, any small improvement can be a patent infringement.
>Make a bad scribble of a Xbox controller with two vague rounded rectangles on the back in 2014
>I now own the entire idea of any buttons on the back of a controller!
Just requires you to ignore the prior art from the 1980s, the fact that the Steam controller in no way resembles an Xbox controller, and uses an entirely different mechanism for its rear grip controls.
i don't think many people realize that the patent office will more or less rubber stamp anything you send them. you don't even need to show a working device in most cases. usually only during a lawsuit does it finally come to light that the patent was fricking moronic and an attempt to patent something that was done over 9000 times before.
They actually showed their design before parenting it... Which would actually invalidate patent protection
>no reason given for them to lie, again
No, for the last time I don't want a fricking extended car warranty. Stop calling me.
>valve is lying about these numbers because...
>reasons
GOOD MORNING SIRS
esl
I can smell the taste of seething,
Where did the penguin touch you?
>Obscenely irregular capitalization
>What the frick is this grammar
>i proof you wrong
Holy frick I can smell the designated street from here
>here is a picture to proof my point
>not even a QRD
>it's just a picture showing some links
Here is a picture of Valve backdoor deals with publishers. They committed a crime and EU found them guilty.
They are criminals
>EU court
Ah, so nothing untoward actually happened
>nooo you can't sell the game cheaper for turkey/argentina/whatever and prevent people from richer countries to abuse the system!
good job, europe, now people from poorer countries can't get cheaper keys becasue it hurts the feelings of germans or something
The EU doesn't give a frick about Argentina or Turkey, just prices within the EU market.
Funnily enough israelitetendo also got caught running a pricing fixing cartel in Europe during the 90s and early 2000s and got fined like €150 millions.
this has nothing to do with price fixing
Does Steam no longer artificially limit the ability in where you can activate a game based on certain regions within the EU?
>Price fixing is an agreement (written, verbal, or inferred from conduct) among competitors to raise, lower, maintain, or stabilize prices or price levels.
Again, this isn't price fixing, moron. This shit wasn't about valve telling publishers what price to give to their games.
Do I look like I give a shit about some legal terminology? I was just shitting on Nintendo.
iirc nintendo had pretty much the control of production of carts for their system, they decided how much of a third party game would be printed, probably to keep certain prices. Not relevant to the valve discussion tho
Price fixing is when two or more competitors agree to not sell their products below a certain price.
>4)
>actually defending patent trolls who say nobody is allowed to put buttons at the back of a controller without paying them
>5)
>the one who consorts with beasts eternally seething that he can't sell steam keys on his own site for cheaper than the price listed on the steam page
These are the worst cases against Valve that you can come up with? Long live the Valve "monopoly" I guess.
>They do it to make you the customer believe in company growth.
showing company growth does jack shit for valve. customers don't care. they're not public so there are no public investors to care.
>STFU it's fake numbers
Cope
NOOO DO NOT REDEEEEEEM BLOODY b***h
>TF2 is fake numbers
>Valve Hardware survey is fake numbers
Anon, be easy on blizzbucks. It's been rough since Overwatch 2 PvE was cancelled and they are doing what they can to cope
>TF2 has bots
>linux is used to bot websites
You are supporting the problem
also https://www.gamingonlinux.com/steam-tracker/
>source is the degen mentally ill linux dude who runs a personal “linux news” website
lemao
actual source is valve, morono
>source is valve
so the usual inflated numbers + steam deck
gotcha! lol
Steam Deck is actually still under represented. Just not as much as it has been before.
what incentive do they have to inflate numbers when they get the same amount f money no matte what os you use?
99% of linux steam "users" are tf2 bots
No, they’re Steam Deck users…
Wrong
There's a weird bug with the survey stats because it doesn't show the Deck's OS in the overall OS share view, but if you filter by Linux only then it becomes the most popular option.
>SteamOS Holo
Nijigays on fricking suicide
What's this about?
Vtuber streaming agency called "hoe-girlve"
That's it
alright, thanks
it's about /vt/rannies
Wtf is Freedesktop.org SDK?
Distro-independent flatpak image.
>(Flatpak run
Steam installed through Flatpak instead of the distro's repositories. Could be on any distro.
Flatpak version of Steam. It's distro agnostic so it works well with any distro even ones that don't have propietary software on their main repo like Fedora.
Flatpak is a package manager that puts every installed program in an isolated environment so that installing a single compromised program doesn't give your entire operating system AIDS.
>that steamos mogging everything else
>no growth for major distros
It's over.
A negative change doesn't mean there's no growth, it just means other operating systems grew faster. The Linux percentages got especially fricked up when the billions of Chinese people all started using Steam at the same time.
I'm just judging from your image. Where are the results, i wanna see w11 adoption rate.
Just go look at the Steam hardware survey.
>Windows 11 64 bit
>36.67%
>+0.92%
https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam
Thanks.
lol at these loud w7 users screaming they won't update.
>me using w10 and making fun of w7 users who won't upgrade knowing i'll eventually end up just like them
>knowing i'll eventually end up just like them
>10bros thinking they have a choice
It's not too late to retvrn to sovl, before your computer mysteriously restarts in the night for a forced update and you wake up to an 11 logo.
*turns off TPM 2.0*
Your move, Bill-sama
>me having moved on to Kubuntu when LTSC 2019 stopped working with newer games (Satisfactory Update 8, Cyberpunk 2077 patch 1.63)
That's just the ratio of all distros, doesn't mean the other distros aren't growing, just that SteamOS is growing the fastest.
won't be long until linux community will say SteamOs doesn't count just like android since they hate mainstream and simplicity.
there's logic behind that though
how people interact with Android on their mobile devices is far different than how desktop linux works
just like how chrome dominates web browser usage but it counts both desktop and mobile chrome which is deceptive since they're still entirely different experiences and designing a website or web app for one does not mean it will work well on the other, for example
On the contrary, it's just beginning. SteamOS might be the savior of Linux gaming if they release it as a standalone.
>fedora not even on the list
Most people running Fedora are probably running the flatpak, although not all flatpak users would be on Fedora.
>arch linux
???????????????????
What's the problem?
I use Arch too btw.
No shit
lol
Ok Ganker redpill me, why should I be using Arch instead of Ubuntu for Linux gaming?
>Ubuntu is a popular Debian-based distribution commercially sponsored by Canonical Ltd., while Arch is an independently developed system built from scratch.
>The two projects have very different goals and are targeted at a different user base. Arch is designed for users who desire a do-it-yourself approach, whereas Ubuntu provides a preconfigured system. Arch presents a simpler design from the base installation onward, relying on the user to customize it to their own specific needs. Many Arch users have started on Ubuntu and eventually migrated to Arch.
>Arch development is not biased towards any one particular user interface beyond what its community provides support for. Furthermore, Canonical's commercial nature has led them to some controversial decisions, such as the inclusion of advertisements in Unity's Dash menu and user data collection. Arch is an independent, community-driven project with no commercial agenda.
>Ubuntu moves between discrete releases every 6 months, whereas Arch is a rolling-release system.
>Arch offers a ports-like package build system and the Arch User Repository, where users can share source packages for the pacman package manager. Ubuntu uses the more complex apt, and allows redistribution of binary packages via Personal Package Archives.
>The two communities differ in some ways as well. The Arch community is much smaller and is strongly encouraged to contribute to the distribution. In contrast, the Ubuntu community is relatively large and can therefore tolerate a much larger percentage of users who do not actively contribute to development, packaging, or repository maintenance.
It's up to personal preference.
tf2 bots call the steam API directly and dont literally have a client open, they never get the HW survey
If they actually did the Linux number would be MUCH higher than 2%
Pretty sure those surveys are opt in I don't think anybody running any sort of bot would participate
of course this also means linuxgays are much more likely to participate than others to promote linux
>vm is win10
>host is arch
>on survey I appear as windows
think it balances out, same w/ people who still dual-boot
uh no i don't participate in telemetry
Most Linux users say no to those types of telemetry. They also click "reject all" to every cookie pop up.
shut. up.
SHUT UP. TF2 HAS NO BOTS INCEL. IT'S BEEN FIXED. THE PLAYERCOUNT IS REAL TYLER MCBlack person SAID SO YOU MUST BE AN OVERWATCH FANBOY SAVE ME GABEN
proofs?
Linux bros... We are winning!
Why are like 50% of Linux users trannies?
Linux users tend to be awkward. So you get the infiltrator who comes in and is like "TEEHEE, I AM THE LITTLE GIRL AND IT MAKES ME SO HAPPY." and then it just spreads from there as a fixative social contagion. Because the growth of transgenderism as a bloc is driven by weird porn-addled coomers falling to AGP and AAP.
>why do users that obsess over customizing their OS and hardware also obsess over customizing their own body
Someone post her
applesirs??? OUR RESPONSE???
aren't macs pretty much dead outside of industrial arts
they continually alienated their own userbase and people were just using the underlying *nix layer so the tech savvy just moved to more promising distros
macs are dead outside of people who used them growing up and cant move on
i feel like the same will eventually happen to windows, not nearly as fast but as inevitably
it feels like even common folk are getting tired of uncontrollable updates on their personal systems, much less how they can add/remove/change functionality overnight
Unlike Windows, MacOS was never even close to the market leader, it will happen but im doubtful our generation will live to see it, nothing lasts forever.
Might be closer then you think…
https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/27/23775117/microsoft-windows-11-cloud-consumer-strategy
>common folk
troonyspeak will not be tolerated here
I picked up an (m1) mac a couple of years ago as my daily driver and it's been fine.
I tried using debian for a while, but I would just run into problems with programs i need to use just not running (some could run through wine, but the experience was an unusable buggy mess).
Obviously I don't use it to play vidya.
>Obviously I don't use it to play vidya.
Then why are you here?
just to suffer
I still have my gaming rig.
Mac has something like 20% market share when it comes to PC OS. They're very popular with upper middle class and the wealthy, as a show of status. Go into some hipster-y upstart business and you can guarantee the receptionist has an Apple.
The big news of this is knowing there were any Mac steam users in the first place
yeah but not for games, besides phones or their xbox live arcade equivalent anything Apple just feels strictly anti-videogames
nice bait post Black person
I feel like I'm about to do something I'll regret so give me some insight. I've been using Pop OS for two months now and it just werks. I've been playing a lot of games and even managed to get photoshop to run through wine. I've learned quite a bit already and looking at it in a practical way, there's no reason for me to change anything. The thing is, I'm really getting this itch to try Arch. Now that I'm more used to how Linux works, I feel like I'm ready to try something more advanced and the quicker a get into it, the faster I'll be able to 'master' it. The problem is the I'm a bit concerned that I'm moving too fast and Arch will be a bit too hard for me. What are your thoughts? Should I give it more time? Two months ago I knew absolutely nothing about Linux.
You probably won't regret it.
When I first switched to Linux I used Ubuntu for about a month, then Manjaro for a few days (it broke obviously lol), and after that I installed Arch. It's been my go-to distro since.
Maybe try Mint a little bit first?
Arch is just as easy to use after the initial installation hurdle. The constant breakage on update is an ancient meme, as long as you follow a couple of golden rules things will just werk:
-No partial upgrades. That means no pacman -Sy (apt update equivalent of Arch) just because a package you want to install has been updated and you only want to refresh the cache to install that thing. Always perform a full system upgrade if you need to refresh the cache.
-Merge the new versions of config files that pacman doesn't automatically replace. Install pacman-contrib and use the pacdiff tool to compare the old and new files after updates.
>Always perform a full system upgrade if you need to refresh the cache
How do you do that?
Just always do pacman -Syu instead of pacman -Sy. Simple as.
gotcha
I'll remember that
Note that you can install new packages without updating the cache. If "pacman -S whatever" works, it's fine to do. If it gives an error, that means the package has been updated and although running pacman -Sy will let you install the new version without updating your whole system, you shouldn't do it because the package might force you to update system libs and the new versions could be incompatible with other software on your system. That's why you never use -Sy by itself, always do -Syu and update the whole system.
Compared to apt, "pacman -Sy" is "apt update" and "pacman -Su" is "apt upgrade", but you can just combine y and u in one command and it's easiest to always do that.
got it
thanks for the in-depth explanation, king
the rules i follow are just
>update regularly so breakages can be handled one at a time
or
>update only when you have to/have time to fix everything. packages can't break if you never change them.
oh and just keep all your dotfiles/config on a private server or the cloud. that's by far the most valuable part of one's setup, so you don't need to dread losing your system entirely.
Yes, you're going too fast. Keep popos and only install arch on another machine. Don't bother with dualbooting or virtual machine memes.
Once you get it running it's a breeze. Arch Wiki is literally the best resource for maintaining any distro ever so if you are literate you'll have no problems
I went for Gentoo right away, as others mentioned: Follow the install guide without being moronic, afterwards it's as easy as any other distro.
You'll learn a lot about how your OS works, will have easier time troubleshooting anything in future. Personally I installed Gentoo on an USB stick while leaving my PC completely intact, set up Steam and such, made sure games and other programs run, then moved that partition over to my SSD and everything worked perfectly
>an USB stick
hello sirs
Please don't listen to these no life morons. Arch is VERY well known to break just cuz. And when arch breaks, sometimes, it collapses altogether. Stick with what works.
>T. Fool who left mint for arch
>using arch since 2014
>2 laptops updated once a year, server updated monthly
>it doesn't completely break like anon claims it does
curious
Arch is pretty great because of the AUR, but I would try Manjaro before you go to Arch proper. Manjaro is to Arch as Mint is to Debian.
Play with it in a VM first
You could install and test drive Arch in a VM first so you don't destroy your current Pop OS install in case you feel unsatisfied and want to return back.
Pop OS? You mean Poop OS?
"This is too comfortable, I want something harder to use." I don't get this logic.
Some people like self improvement
>this game's too easy, let me bump up the difficulty
>the weight's too light, let me add another 15 pounds
>this distro's too handholdy, let me try something more advanced
H-h-ho-HOLY SHIT!
>linux is the cucked OS
Meanwhile: Linux's display server
>Linux's display server
>xorg
Time to update your script, Dinesh. Maybe you can find more up to date information with the Windows search bar?
Less than 10% of Linux users are on Wayland. No amount of cope can change that.
>Less than 10% of Linux users are on Wayland. No amount of cope can change that.
In other words 10% of Linux users have gay shit in their OS while 100% of Windows users do.
More than 95% of stats are made up
https://www.phoronix.com/news/Firefox-Wayland-X11-Stats
> 100% - 10% = 10%
smartest penguin
>90% > 100%
least gay windows user
>telemetry stats
that's all the normies that use the distro defaults, should change fast as more and more distros are making wayland the default and nvidia are starting to get their shit together
>should change fast as more and more distros are making wayland the default and nvidia are starting to get their shit together
2 more weeks
people are inherently adverse to change, it will take time.
>people are reluctant to switch to the inferior technology
shocking
>inferior
>the other option is Windows 11
lol
>telemetry
Which anybody who knows it exists disables.
>18 month old article
lol
I'm not brown so this doesn't really bother me.
>X.org
lmao that's Chud's display server, white men use Wayland
Uh-huh.
>heh i have a trans furry flag saved on my personal computer, take that
>w-what do you mean "how is that relevant?"
Windows sisters, I thing the Linux chads aren't falling for our grooming.
Linux Gnu BSD TempleOS.
Doesn't happen in 11. and tbh that's what 10gays get for not upgrading in the current year
You got the LGBT flag on windows 11 if you enabled news https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/how-do-i-remove-the-pride-flag-button-that-reads/e20ea079-3950-45db-ba70-2ad36280dc32
No gay flags on my 11 machine. Sounds like user error. Maybe don't go installing gay malware
>he doesn't use openshell and hide search bar
I think I'm going to go Ubuntu or something when W10 support goes off although UI of Ubuntu is not great. What kind of idiot did implement a drop down menu which automatically changes its value when a pointer hovers and a mouse wheel rolls?
I don't think I could completely ditch Windows but at least I'm gonna use qemu for it
linux DEs are bad but hopefully get better by the time an exodus occurs
i would just learn to be comfortable with the command line though since that's all most GUIs do underneath and at least with linux distros what you'll learn is portable to different systems
Imma cop a Steam Deck 2 fr
>Cucked Commie OS
>the most successful distributions of linux are controlled by huge corporations and look and feel nothing like linux
makes sense
who the frick plays on a mac
Women who only play The Sims
I’m serious
Funny how Valve put so much effort into making their entire catalogue playable on Macs, only for Apple to destroy it all by killing 32bit apps. If I open Steam on my Macbook there are about 40 good games I could've played a few years ago. Now? There's about 4 or 5, and the every single Valve game is broken. Bravo.
I see you
I traded those headphones for GTA collection (up to 4), only to find out later that it was worth twice as much, it doesn't bother me, I just found it funny
I did, I had mac mini from my work and played Hollow knight and Crosscode on it, both were surprisingly well optimised for that piece of shit, since it choked even on most 2D indie games
>only to find out later that it was worth twice as much
they only worth like $12 now, so you probably got a good deal
back when I sold them, they were worth around 20 and the GTA bundle was ~10, but yeah, not complaining, played those games a ton, I even replayed 3 and VC with Re3/ReVC recently
Don't forget that they also killed OpenGL.
How?
https://venturebeat.com/games/apple-defends-end-of-opengl-as-mac-game-developers-threaten-to-leave/ they didn't even support the latest version of opengl before deprecating it, it was behind both linux and windows drivers
Apple is scummy af
They never added support for modern OpenGL, version 4.3 and above.
More recently they have also refused to support Vulkan.
This led to the Rube Goldberg machine solution many developers use to support their new hardware. Direct3D -> DXVK (Vulkan) -> MoltenVK -> Metal.
You might be confused. I meant that they killed OpenGL on macOS. You have to use Metal nowadays.
>opengl died because apple refused to give them “food stamps”
so you’re saying that apple, microsoft and google together killed opengl?
is microsoft supporting opengl?
is google supporting opengl?
no?
why is everything that happens in tech, happens because tim apple said so?
are you mayhaps a moronic sheep who hates le ebin ebil company because the internet told you so?
Black person
are you just going to drop the n word like that? this place is so fricking toxic
Le le le
>comes to Ganker
>expects anything else
i know it's bait but imagine it wasn't
>are you just going to drop the n word like that? this place is so fricking toxic
Relax Black personhomosexual, it's all in good fun
do you like sperging out for literally no reason?
Sounds based, he's quite ballsy to say that and to be not afraid of criticism and consequences
It's not based because he's being dishonest about the gun thing, just like they always do they pretend to want milder controls and then once they get that slowly strip away more and more.
You know what the funny part is?
Microsoft will give you a free license if you install Windows on a machine with a 10 in. or less screen…
There was no reason for Valve to do this other then they wanted to make their own OS for their own device.
It’s why ASUS and Lenovo have Windows on their mobile PCs.
>There was no reason for Valve to do this other then they wanted to make their own OS for their own device.
Anon we've literally known this since 2015 when rumors started about a Steam Box, you're not sharing some kinda incredible insight here.
Another super obvious reason they went with Linux you failed to mention is that they actually have control over the OS and can make the necessary low-level changes. ASUS can't do that with Windows on the Rog Ally and subsequently the user experience fricking sucks.
They don't want to be dependent on Microsoft as they keep actively sabotaging the desktop PC. Pushing gaming support on Linux is in their best interests.
>os shilled by gaben for more than 10 years overtakes os shipped exclusively with hardware unfit for 3d rendering of any kind
Woah, easy there cowboys
I use my fedora linux laptop to stream games from my windows PC in bed because it's more comfy than sitting down
This is what Apple gets for making macOS more and more iOS like.
I’ll only switch when GIMP can make circles
>2016
IT'S OUR FRICKING YEAR
GNU/Linux chads keep on winning.
i just looked at the compositors available on wayland and what they can do
yuck
https://hyprland.org/
this is supposed to be the hottest shit on wayland right now but their website doesn't even work on my machine
i also just don't like red hat but not much i can really do about that innit
what the frick is wayland
it's red hat's way of further controlling the tech stack in linux
it does have technical merits over xorg like issues with tearing and multi monitor sync rates but man every time i try it, it just feels like an alpha product and i sent my machine back 2 decades
I use Linux because it does everything I need and it is properly free
>troonix
Nice animation anon, how long did it take you?
this is the original
Is that macOS?
当然だ
I recently installed Pop_OS and Steam friends list keeps fricking crashing all the time. shit sucks
Used a linux distro or two in the past, just the most mainstream and accessible ones
Not bad, but because i use it for video games i just can't see myself using it again until more game devs and the like release linux versions of their games
Then be part of the change you wish to see.
>Beats an OS that doesn't even support games
wohah
AA/AAA funnily enough does support Mac more than Linux though.
These are just from the Steam Deck
The recent increase is but the total is not all steam deck
>one OS that is famous for having pisspoor compatibility with gaming is overtaking another OS that is famous for having pisspoor compatibility for gaming
At this point Linux runs a lot of old Windows games better than Windows 11 does.
and yet 90% of games still have problems on it. Linux is not conducive to gaming, plain and simple.
Where's your source for that number?
>90% of the games have problems
>and yet 90% of games still have problems on it.
This is unironically true if 100% of the games you play are AAA slop.
but the AAA slop I've bought recently all work fine?
BREAKING
MacOS has the least amount of manchilds!
manchildren*
LET'S FRICKING GOOOO
AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
IT'S HAPPENING
But what can I play on Temple OS?
IT’S 4% IF YOU YOU REMOVE THE THIRD WORLDIES
The only people who still use Macs are baby-brained idiots who don’t can’t put down their iPhones.
But is Linux popular in Japan?
Just be happy they started using PCs thanks to their anime streamers, see
Yes, Steam Deck is exploding in Japan rn
Is it?
Japan is Apple country
Legit has the highest take rate for OSX and iOS of anywhere in the world
No... not them. I feel betrayed.
Windows is for browns, Linux is for troons and incels, and Mac is for intellectual white people. This has always been the case.
Coping
Post programming socks, xister
> and Mac is for intellectual white people
The dumbest people I know use apple products.
I've never met anyone who made less than 75k a year who owned a Mac desktop. Too poor.
Macintoshes as an actual computer suck, but it simply cannot be denied that wealth/status and Mac ownership are strongly correlated. Rich people don't want to be seen using a Windows PC. Same with watches, doesn't matter that a G shock is the better watch, rich people buy Rolex. Simple as. Welcome to the world of luxury goods
I am currently using GrapheneOS to communicate with you, I operate on higher plane of schizo autism
>I've never met anyone who made less than 75k a year who owned a Mac desktop. Too poor.
Macintoshes as an actual computer suck, but it simply cannot be denied that wealth/status and Mac ownership are strongly correlated. Rich people don't want to be seen using a Windows PC. Same with watches, doesn't matter that a G shock is the better watch, rich people buy Rolex. Simple as. Welcome to the world of luxury goods
Just shows you how stupid rich people actually are.
The goods you own are a form of marketing. Imagine if you had a realtor show up in a rusted out old Camry. Would you trust him to do a good job, compared to the realtor who shows up in a polished late model Mercedes? Probably not. On a smaller degree, computers can be the same way. If the business is running cheap shitty laptops Black personrigged to work because it's "cheaper" it means normalgay customers will see your business as probably being ran on the cheap, as compared to the business that has clean new Macs everywhere.
Why do you think businessmen wear suits? Image.
>t.
The only people who I know still use Macs are woman.
I have seen the mythical Japanese Linux users
not for gaming, no
windows dominates japan
there's a lot of great *nix software from japan but i have to imagine if those people game they just dual boot or something
>been using Manjaro for far too long
>too lazy to install an actually reliable distro
Do I have to re-configure GRUB after installing a new distro?
While it is technically possible to install a new distro while keeping the same bootloader, _you_ shouldn't try it and it would likely have no benefit anyway,
Also GRUB is not the only bootloader, systemd-boot exists and is better.
It would probably work
If you ever run malware in a VM/sandbox make sure it has no network connection.
>systemd-boot exists and is better.
I just followed a guide and it told me to use GRUB
>_you_
I don't know why but this felt like an attack. You just made a very stupid enemy, my friend
that's kind of the point of a bootloader provided you install the new OS on a separate partition
if you mean completely switch over then i'm sure whatever install guide you follow will help you from scratch
>LINUX OVERTAKES MACS USERS ON STEAM
I'm surprised it took this long.
Literally the only situation in which I ever see any mention of MacOS in the context of PC gaming is when I look up an older game on PC Gaming Wiki and there's a note at the top about how the Mac port doesn't work anymore because Apple dropped 32-bit support.
AND they never had PROPER OpenGL support, and later went with their own custom graphics api. Gaming on Mac just sounds miserable
what happens if I execute a malicious program through wine
mustard gas
Probably depends on the virus, might run or it might not run. If the prefix is sandboxed it shouldn't have access to your actual files
>If the prefix is sandboxed it shouldn't have access to your actual files
Don't rely on this, Wine programs can easily call native POSIX APIs
Which distro did he make, again?
Anon it's just some obsessed moron spamming it everywhere
I know, and I respond to it with that post every time I see it to drive home the point that modern Linux has basically nothing on it that can trace itself to code that Torvalds wrote. Hell, Torvalds didn't even write the original software; he nicked most of it off of Minix which was an open source version of Unix designed for CompSci students (which Torvalds was when he 'created' Linux), and then just gave it a user-friendly look. Every single modern distro was made by somebody else.
Anyone who supports gun control should be thrown through a time machine to experience the killing fields.
The reason Linux has any real popularity is the general reason you don't want the government messing with the right to own arms. Let's say society decided that Microsoft are experts when it comes to software and gave Microsoft the exclusive right to decide what software is allowed to release into the public space so that Microsoft can curb the presence of malware and software that can be abused by bad actors.
I actually did the captain America laugh holy shit
Well, no shit. They are kicking Windows users out. People find the only other alternative is Linux.
Windows 7 actually gained users
(It was statistical noise)
They make up a trivial 0.10% of Steam users, even though you'd think they make up 15% on Ganker with how much they cry about their dead proprietary OS
You sure do seem obsessed with them.
>Windows 7 actually gained users
I finally got asked to take a hardware survey a couple days after like 6 years of nothing when I declined last time.
I hope I helped.
based fellow win 7 bro. Although I'm out of those steam statistics since i turned off steam update and just use it offline (I don't want that annoying countdown; I basically use it as steam controller app now).
LINUX BAD
B^U
I’ll probably go back to Linux whenever I get around to buying a new PC. I have a work laptop now but don’t feel like reinstalling everything.
I don’t know how people have trouble gaming on Linux, even 6-7 years ago pretty much everything I tried ran fine with PlayOnLinux.
oh no i guess the 10 mac users will be saddened by this news
Well done.
>not even 3%
Uhh shit poster what is this? https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide
>'unknown' OS spikes to 15% for three months then disappears back in the aether
My synapses are sparking
Statcounter uses faulty polling methods which can cause spikes like these. A few months ago they reported like 20% Linux use in my country. Same could be said about Valve too though, never forget that month when million of Chinese people skewed the stats. It's better to just look at the trends.
Anyone know a good voice changer for Linux? The ones I always see haven't been updated in years and only have like 10 voice options. Would VoiceMod work with Wine?
Isn't the latest MAC CPU family some proprietary bullshit that doesn't support most games in existence?
It is an ARM chip, which is the same for most consoles and phones.
My issue with Linux is no one ever makes programs for the niche problem I have regarding homebrew. Like, how am I supposed to use Wii USB Helper on Linux?
doesn't this do the sae thing? https://gbatemp.net/threads/nusspli-install-content-directly-from-the-nintendo-update-servers-to-your-wii-u.566055/
They often do though. And you could try running it in wine, usually works.
Or just use it in Windows. If I needed to do that I would, but I haven't yet. It's not like I can't use Windows just because I use Linux. They are tools.
Just set up a Windows 10 VM for all that shit.
https://github.com/Xpl0itU/WiiUDownloader
Say what you want about Linux at least they support old games.
ayo
it's most likely due to the Steam Deck OS + macos gaming has been neutered thanks to catalina and a switch to ARM
Deck represents about half of this month's increase in Linux stats. MacOS also increased, just not as much as Linux. It looks like people are dropping their old Windows systems as their primary gaming system. The number of 10 series and older Nvidia GPUs declined quite a bit, and AMD Linux grew.
how viable is gaming on a modern mac? genuinely curious how things are on it, what are the hoops you have to jump through and what are your options
modern macs are ARM devices
you have to go through two translation layers to game on them
they get like 15fps in cyberpunk 2077 doing this on an m2 ultra
what if i just want to play civ 5 and roller coaster tycoon 3 for the rest of my life, would they just run on mac no problem or do i need to have additional software running
i doubt either game will ever get updated to have an ARM mac port
that said they *should* run easier than something like cyberpunk...
You VILL own your operating zyztem
You VILL live in a high trust soziety
Year of the Linux desktop baby
>wintoddlers seethin'
>itoddlers seethin'
>tendies seething'
>consolegays seethin'
We fricking one tuxbros
Is this a Linux gaming thread? Ok then
Valve screwed over the Artifact fanbase by cancelling the Artifact 2.0 beta without even allowing users to invite friends like they said they would in January 2021 and does not deserve your financial support for these gross consumer-unfriendly practices.
in a previous thread I was recommended to use endeavouros, which I installed on usb and testing it only using firefox and I noticed that the ram usage was very high
I am seeing that almost nobody recommends it now, what do you think about it?
your distro of choice has nothing to do with how much ram firefox uses
endeavor is just arch with a gui installer
>another Arch derivative
why not just use Arch at that point, you'll be consulting the same materials anyway
>I noticed that the ram usage was very high
How is that different from normal?
if you're running off a usb there's every reason to hold whatever comes off the usb in memory for as long as possible. ideally you never want to be reading from it except at boot. it's slow as shit.
This shit here
https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=284076&p=3
affect me. Help! It's actually a kernel issue, but I don't know what is going on cause journalctl is anal about it.
report it to amd itself
That's probably the wisest course of action. All I found on forums and gitlab issue pages is basically everyone being unsure what exactly causes this issue.
Not him but I was also having ring gfx timeouts a few months ago (6900xt) it went away with an update to mesa. This is pure conjecture but I think it's a generic error message or it's a hardware issue that can be fixed with software, I'm no dev so I can't say for sure.
I use mesa-git, but I doubt that this is the issue for me. Downgrading the kernel fixed some crashes, but others still exist. Crashes happen during specific events in games, so I guess it's some sort of vram issue. I could downgrade mesa and try again, or figure out how to temporarily increase the log output detail.
Should've bought NVIDIA.
>xid 109 blocks your path
I have never seen anyone playing on a mac. I think it's common knowledge by now that macs are only for work and graphic design.
Also
>linuxtrannies are only 2% of steam users
>2%
lol, lmao even. I thought there were more than that. From now own I will just ignore every linuxtroon thread. They're irrelevant.
Are linux gays unironically really proud of representing 2% of the market?
Why are you defending monopolies?
I'm proud of having 114 IQ.
Don't care, I just enjoy a system I like. If some other people also happen to have good taste, good for them.
These threads are actually there so morons like me can ask question so someone with an IQ above 90 can help me out while making fun of me.
So basically it's a quid pro quo. I get help and they get to satisfy their humiliation fetish
I don't make fun of people I help, friend. You're not a moron either. 🙂
Nice of you to say. I try to somewhat give something back by trying to make funny posts since these threads are very nice and I hate to disappoint you.
I still use Manjaro
I actually hope it never gets popular enough to attract advertisers and activists and all the bullshit that infects Windows.
Enjoy it while it lasts. When apple unveils their super secret "Gaming Project," they're going to overtake both Windows and linux.
Just 2 more weeks
I thought they did. "Game Porting Kit", which was just WINE made to work with Metal or something.
it's not meant to be used to ship games, and it clearly won't have the same amount of work as proton has. It's there to give devs an idea more or less how good the game runs on mac
a good chunk of that is probably Steam Deck users, no that there's anything wrong with that, the majority of pc users don't build their own computers either
Gaben won.
Who the frick even used a Mac anymore? Trends long since over.
Double Linux gaming, everyone!
God damn linux is awful, im convinced its just a way to troll people
Really? I started using it and I noticed barely any difference.
Some online and Unity games don't work properly but that's why I use dualboot. Otherwise the experience of just watching stuff and shitposting is the same as on any other OS
>17 days of uptime on my arch desktop without updating
huh i thought this was "unstable" or something. firefox definitely starts leaking a lot of memory after 3 days though.
same bro, but with win7
pengWINs rise UP!!!!!!!!
It's hilarious how Apple just decided to kill gaming on their own devices.
is there a single thing macs can do that linux/windows can't do better?
Bleed your wallet dry
Apple doesn't really care about Macs anymore, but it still exists for 3 reasons.
Not having to rely on another company to provide dev kits for iOS.
It is the only officially supported source for UNIX Workstations with the Adobe Suite which is a captive audience willing to spend tens of thousands of dollars.
Upscale laptops for brand awareness.
Linux > macOS >>>>>> Windows
The only thing Windows has over mac and Linux is games, and when you're playing those games, you're playing them IN SPITE of Windows, not because of Windows.
Windows doesn't even really have games anymore. Everything in modern versions of Windows runs through a compatibility layer. The Windows of today has almost nothing in common with the Windows that that put Microsoft on top.
This is why Proton works so well when compared to modern Windows, they operate essentially at the same level, and unlike Microsoft's compatibility layer Wine is an actively maintained project with a well maintained code base.
>killed all hope of a macOS version of proton ever being a thing.
Not entirely, although that was likely part of Apple's interest in going to their own custom hardware. Valve just has to add something like Box64/Box86 into the stack, something I suspect which has always been on their long term roadmap because Valve like Apple doesn't want to rely on x86 if its fate is tied to Windows.
Windows is fricking garbage for any kind of SWE work that doesn't involve the .NET framework
*nix os with actual industry standard software
unironically just werks out of the box
The new Macbooks have great battery life. I used the M1 Macbook pro I got from work on a 12 hour plane ride and it lasted the entire trip with like 20% battery left. This was about 8 hours of Pycharm and 4 hours of movies.
not him but this sounds actually nice.
was thinking of buying a macbook air when my laptop dies. do you think the airs are good too?
I am using my laptop mostly for vscode and multiple browsers for work.
Its unfortunately one of the only options out there nowadays, ever since most other laptop manufacturers stopped supporting sleep mode due to MS's "modern standby" bullshit. You can't even escape it by running Linux since it has to be supported in the BIOS.
they can signal that the owner is a gay
>actually checking every day for stats on your favorite operating system's usage on steam
>do this for over 15 years
>finally overtake fricking Apple macOS
>SEE GUYS! SEE! WE'RE RELEVANT AFTER ALL THIS TIME!
>IT ONLY TOOK OVER A DECADE BUT NOW YOU FINALLY SEE
Yeah that tends to happen when you mandate all of your computers use a special snowflake chip (M1) that literally no one else uses
Instantly made their computers incompatible with the majority of the games that used to run on mac, and killed all hope of a macOS version of proton ever being a thing.
You know those numbers are just Deck users, right?
What would you think would happen to the windows stats if you removed every computer that came with windows preinstalled?
Deck is only about half of those figures.
Even without the Deck, AMD users running the open source drivers are on top, followed by people playing casual games on Intel graphics, followed by poor souls stuck with aging Nvidia cards.
Actually, deck is 1/3
Roughly half of this month's increase, about 40% of overall Linux users on Steam.
Wait, macgays don't even account for 2% of steam users?
They used to be more before apple killed 32 bits support
Which distro is simply installing the system, typing "hackerman hackerman hackerman download working Nvidia drivers and Steam" in the console and then simply playing the games without any problems?
Endeavouros
You better not be rusing me, I've got some Baldur's Gating to do today.
nobara brings up a prompt that is literally "you have an nvidia card. download the proprietary drivers?" and you click yes and it does all the work for you. it also has optional installs for openrgb, obs, discord and some other shit. made by the same dude who does wine-ge.
Gentoo
Linux is for pedogays who want to play e-girl games wihtout feeling watch, disgusting.
mods delete this thread
>be asked to work
>for no money
>it's bait too
>never gonna get paid also
Probably not the thread to ask, but does anyone know a solution to the discord stream audio issue? It's the one thing bothering and I find myself switching to my Windows drive just to stream a game to a friend.
looks like it needs to be fixed discord side and they've been dragging their feet, but I found this https://github.com/maltejur/discord-screenaudio
OBS + https://github.com/Glimesh/broadcast-box
oh yeah and https://obsproject.com/forum/resources/pipewire-audio-capture.1458/
>Probably not the thread to ask, but does anyone know a solution to the discord stream audio issue? It's the one thing bothering and I find myself switching to my Windows drive just to stream a game to a friend.
LINUX CANT EVEN STREAM ON DISCORD? KEKEKEKE
>moron amazed to find out discord devs are moronic
>LINUX CANT EVEN STREAM ON DISCORD? KEKEKEKE
?
I literally streamed yesterday with sound and everything without problems, are you moronic?
>LINUX OVERTAKES MACS USERS ON STEAM
So how did that happen? Are MACs really bad gaming pc? What are MACs use for?
>inb4 "Work"
Hahahahaha, no
Mac had OpenGL (used by games), but was laygging behind in support compared to other operating systems and didn't support the latest versions before depending it, then they went and dropped support for 32 bits which also killed most native Mac games that existed at that point. Then the new macs are arm instead of x86 so games would have to be rebuilt or go through a translation layer (which would incur in a performance penalty) to be playable. Also the current graphics api Mac supports was made by apple and only supported by them.
>What are MACs use for?
for youtube
OH YEAH BABY WE DID IT!
Best distro for gaming? I was thinking Ubuntu but I've heard Arch based distros have better access to drivers or something?
it's more like arch gets access to drivers faster
there is no best for gaming distro, they all use the same aka wine/proton.
I wouldn't suggest arch to linux first timers, just go with ubuntu and if you're more confident in how things work go on arch.
Ubuntu is fine, or Kubuntu if you don't want the GNOME desktop. Arch is a power user distro and quite difficult for beginners to use.
The differences in distros are usually just what it comes with, the package manager, and what you're allowed to get from the repo. Depending on how new your hardware is you can just grab whatever and the difference is negligible. If you have new hardware and a certain version of the kernel is needed that a more stable distro won't have for a while, you want something like Fedora or Arch. Arch needs more setup instructions, so if you just want to do shit now it isn't the best choice.
It's not a big shock steam deck is linux
i always break ubuntu based distros
it's unreal
linux sucks foor gaming
Your mother sucks for cash.
How did it double in such a short time?
Steam Deck
They sell so many in the last few months?
its a big hitter
survey often won't catch stuff for some time and I do wonder how they handle users who use desktop and a steam deck (whether survey includes both OS or just one)
that said survey hasn't popped up for me in over a decade
>that said survey hasn't popped up for me in over a decade
surveys are meant to be random to account for sampling bias. a lot more steam accounts now than there was a decade ago, too.
Biggest problem with Mac right now is Apple's moronic approach to adopting graphics APIs. Rosetta 2 gets me pretty insane performance out-of-the-box so the change in ISA isn't too big of a deal.
No one wants to use Metal, Tim Cuck. Un-deprecate OpenGL and give us an actual Vulkan implementation you gay israelite.
Lots of developers use Metal. It's Vulkek that nobody cares about.
meanwhile vkd3d is somehow mogging dx12 on most modern releases
>vkd3d is somehow mogging dx12 on most modern releases
lol nope
freeshit graphics APIs need to die
>the Microshit game runs worse on Steam Deck
meanwhile: in the real world games keep getting ported to PC without shader caching enabled and Valve's handling of Vulkan shader caching solves that day 0 for us
>d-doesn't count!
>muh shader cache
Only applies to steam kek with fixed hardware. Shader JIT still happens in Vulkan too
>Only applies to steam kek with fixed hardware
nope works for all of us since the shaders get cached by others using your hardware/drivers before the games are even opened
Still has to be JIT compiled at some point. Meanwhile every serious developer is adopting DX12 and DXR while Vulkan is left to hobbyists and autismos. DirectX wins again
>Meanwhile every serious developer is adopting DX12
and completely shitting the bed at doing so lmao
that's the whole problem and why we get to laugh when the ports run like shit on Windows yet are fine on Linux
DirectX is unironically making Linux look better as a result
>DirectX is unironically making Linux look better as a result
See above benchmark.
Windows is winning
>Ratchet and Clank runs better
>Elden Ring never needed "fixes" for stuttering day 0
>FF7R ran better at launch
>Wo Long didn't have stuttering issues for me day 0
>Hogwarts Legacy had no stuttering day 0
My copy of R&C even ran well on an HDD on Linux, I bet it wouldn't have on windows
>Ratchet and Clank needed DirectStorage, no Vulkan equal
>Elden Ring ran best on Xbox (DirectX) at launch
also
>Halo Infinite ran better on Windows
>Every emulator ran better in DX12 than Vulkan at launch, most still do
>All that massive compatibility advantage for Windows
Nope. DX12 has always been ahead of Vulshit
>Ratchet and Clank needed DirectStorage, no Vulkan equal
DirectStorage isn't needed on Linux because we already have an async io_ring natively
still runs better on Linux
>Halo Infinite ran better on Windows
more Microshart 🙂
>Every emulator ran better in DX12 than Vulkan at launch, most still do
emulators typically run better on Linux but you do you, wiseguy
lastly:
>Elden Ring ran best on Xbox (DirectX) at launch
lmao see you moron, we're talking about PC gaming here not peasant gaming
>moron thinks DirectStorage is only async IO
>more crying that Microsoft doesn't count
>emulators typically run better on Linux but you do you, wiseguy
LMAO most emulators are way, way better on Windows. I know because I've tried them on Steam Deck and it's frickin awful.
>>what we need is a single company to control the graphics api space
But that wouldn't happen? You still have Apple.
Also funny how freetards always call for the death of proprietary APIs because apparently it's so great to have one company (Khronos Group) controlling the graphics API space when it suits their desires
Lmao you're so cute shilling for Billy boi.
Emulators are still better on GNU/Linux though.
that's like saying it doesn't matter if only one out of nintendo, microsoft and sony remain in the console space because there's atari! apple is completely irrelevant for pc gaming
DirectStorage is a meme and we literally don't need it, suck it up pajeet
>I know because I've tried them on Steam Deck and it's frickin awful.
you dual booted on your steam deck to benchmark?
or are you so moronic you decided to compare desktop hardware to an iGPU?
>you dual booted on your steam deck to benchmark?
Yes. And despite Valve's jank day 0 windows drivers it still was better than steamos.
I will give them points for usability however, as Windows lacks a good handheld mode right now
>Yes
aight where's the benchmark, street-shitter?
thinks DirectStorage is only async IO
R&C works better on linux
>AC vs battery power
nice try.
this isn't the switch, you don't get any extra power from docking or charging the deck
Ackshually, Elden Ring ran best on GNU/Linux at launch.
>Sucking microsoft's dick this hard
Play some real games instead of running emulators
>Ratchet and Clank needed DirectStorage, no Vulkan equal
What a moron you are. R&C doesn't need DirectStorage, and there's no need for Vulkan to have an equal implementation when it already works. As a matter of fact, DirectStorage started off as a copy of Linux's open source technology.
>Elden Ring ran best on Xbox (DirectX) at launch
Actually true. Yet it still had issues on Windows (DirectX) but no issues on Linux (Vulkan). Interesting. Past tense btw.
>Halo Infinite ran better on Windows
Another past tense btw, implying that it runs worse on Windows currently? And logically Microsoft first-party titles should have a bigger advantage over Linux? And yet FH5 is the only game where that is the case.
>Every emulator ran better in DX12 than Vulkan at launch, most still do
This isn't even true. Every single emulator that supports Vulkan runs MUCH better with Vulkan. Xenia is the only exception when it comes to emulation on Linux. And the emulation community usually scoffs at emulators without Vulkan support in current year as well.
>at some point
at the very launch of the game at worst instead of during gameplay, and you can make it compile automatically in the background before launching games if you prefer that.
Vulkan outperforms directx. The real reason m$ bought activision and zenimax was to kill vulkan before it got too much adoption.
I wodner if they'll force id to switch from vulkan to dx12
Already did.
They'll probably kill id altogether
Already happening. idTech7 exclusively supports variable rate shading in DX12. Good thing too, Vulkan needs to die
>what we need is a single company to control the graphics api space
end your existence as soon as you can>
the fact that any games work better on linux when going through a translation layer is already a massive embarrassment.
shader precaching existed before the steam deck was even announced, it gets compiled ahead of time, not just in time.
remove ios developers because mobile gaming isn't relevant for pc gaming
>lived long enough to see the homogenization-corporatization of Linux
I mean, it was a closed case with Android being very popular around the world, but this?
>"See all that pretty GUI and big corpo buckz flowing throught the entire Loonix software ecosystem? Yeah, we Windozenin' now! Thanks Gayben and Red Hat/IBM for the ethical telemetry and spying you do on us!!!!!"
"Embrace, extend, extinguish" is going stronger than ever, it never died out but morphed. Free/Libre software, however, fricking died.
are you moronic? steam's distro is only usable on steam deck and the next biggest distro is arch which is made by the community. And things funded by valve for gaming that you'd want to use even if you didn't use steam are open source
I love how apple kills it's self by trying to shove every product into it's own ecosystem. bunch of morons.
It's actually stunning that MacOS retains the share it has, considering how much Apple has done to discourage game development there.
LINUX RUNS WORSE ON GAMES
Why are wincels so scared?
more people staying on windows means more jobs for winjeets
They have tiny peepees
i couldt even mod skyrim on linux, its a meme
just install the mod?
did you fail the test?
Why are people here proud of being dumb?
does genshin impact work on linux? i thougt so, im staying on windows
yes it does
out of the box, at that
What's even the point of that game? Just play Nu-zelda and if you need to coom watch some hentai
>What's even the point of that game? Just play Nu-zelda and if you need to coom watch some hentai
you gays are always like this
>U-UH GAME DOESNT WORK ON LINUX? Y-YOU DONT NEED THAT G-GARBAGE GAME
all gacha games are automatically garbage, and you were already told it works, moron
>Being this desperate to have a Chinese rootkit in his computer
I hate normalgays https://www.pcgamer.com/ransomware-abuses-genshin-impacts-kernel-mode-anti-cheat-to-bypass-antivirus-protection/
Gacha,loot boxes and battle passes should all be fricking banned
>OS that doesn't play games overtakes a OS that doesn't play games
Woah what an original post wintroony
Just tried linux, had to go back, men it sucks, why are you praising it so hard, anyways, time to install Warzone agian
z,o,o,m,e,r,
sims 4 doesnt even run on linux lmao wtf is this operating system
It does work but I have no idea why anyone would play it over 2 and 3
>It does work but I have no idea why anyone would play it over 2 and 3
sex mods
well.... mac support is an absolute travesty now that they no longer use intel cpus/amd gpus. this really is not a surprise