I've said it before and I'll say it again:
You don't. The point of the ending of DS3 is humanity is fricked and the brethren moons won. Kino Lovecraftian ending.
>the brethren moons won
The only thing I don't like about this ending is how late the "moons" are introduced.
The game is basically saying: "Oh and by the way, there are these huge monsters, you lose", 5m minutes before the end.
No foreshadowing or anything.
At least in Lovecraftian fiction, we know pretty early on that there is some higher power or whatever at play.
>Dead Space 4 was the planned fourth installment in the Dead Space series. >The game would have followed on directly from Dead Space 3 with humanity facing extinction at the hands of the Brethren Moons. Taking inspiration from the flotilla section in Dead Space 3, the notion was that the player (Ben Wanat stated that he would have made Ellie Langford the game's protagonist) was trying to survive on a day-by-day basis, scavenging supplies while looking for survivors and withstanding the Necromorph-infected ships. The player would have their own ship.
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>planned >drawn on a napkin while security is escorting people out of the stufio
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He wrote Dead Space 3 to replace Isaac with Ellie. He planned it long before the studio was closed.
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"Planned" he knew he won't do anything with it.
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No one wanted to play as Ellie, what a crock of shit.
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Of course not. He actually wanted Ellie as the protagonist of Dead Space 3 but EA said "Frick no!" Ben Wanat is obsessed with this character. So much so he didn't even realize he made her an unlikable moronic c**t in the third game.
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sounds kino
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>Ellie Langford
can't remember anything about this broad other than her breasts
would have been a genius idea to let her headline 4. they probably would have covered her up head to toe too
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>would have been a genius idea to let her headline 4. they probably would have covered her up head to toe too
No shit moron they're in space, she'd be wearing a RIG
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This along with “the brethren moons are the devil you know” are cool ideas. Would’ve been interesting to see what they could’ve come up with that was worse than the moons, they’re not flood-level fricked but they’re already pretty horrific
>Visceral gradually eaten by EA and put into an unwinnable position (get 1 gorillion DS3 sales or we kill the franchise, also add MP and single player MTX) >studio morale probably at rock bottom levels >ending of the franchise is that all is fricked and there is no hope
Beyond Ludo
They ate the human race. There isn't any fighting.
I just want to know why they were psychic or some shit? How does any of the Markers and that kind of shit actually make any sense? Do these moon-sized psychic flesh monster jellyfish then just go around the galaxy putting random Markers on planets until eventually some dickheads make more of them? Basically that shit just doesn't make sense. I know it's a horror story so it's not intended to make perfect sense, but this is just plotholes.
Black markers are probably just accidents. The brethren moons don't know that they're going to make intelligent things, they're just byproducts of the brethren moons existing at all. They get shat out all over space and some of them collide with planets. Some of those planets can produce life. That life sometimes becomes intelligent, allegedly thanks to the Marker which itself is a byproduct of intelligent life, and starts making more markers to make more intelligent life that the brethren moons can feed on.
They don't plant them. They shoot them out into space. People make more of them because the signal they emit is a code on how to make more as well as harness infinite power/electricity from them. People use them as power sources. They don't start converging people until the time is right.
They shoot them into space and they land on planet's, where they accelerate the development of intelligent life. Said life will eventually find the Markers, use them for infinite energy, develop to obscene numbers, fall into insanity and obsession with the Markers, suffer from a Necromorph outbreak and finally trigger Convergence to create a new Moon. The Moon will then repeat the process.
They seeded planets with a potential for life all over the universe millions of years ago. The markers are dormant and waiting until a civilization of large enough size develops and then they activate. When activated they manipulate people and make them replicate the markers to amplify the signal and infect enough life forms for the final transformation.
The only thing that doesnt make sense is how they got to Earth. Sure they may be smart etc but they are still flesh without hyperspace travel capacity. Would be better if they found where humanity is but it would take them much more time to get there.
The Moons can naturally move fast enough to outspeed Shockpoint Drives. They can most likely accelerate Markers to similar speeds until they hit a viable planet.
>beyond your comprehension >i can see it and comprehend what i'm seeing >i can go on a wiki and read about its life cycle and comprehend that >it can speak to me in my head and i can comprehend it >only thing i can't do is fight it because it's too fricking big
not lovecraftian
The one you fought was literally "dead" and frozen for an untold amount of years, however long the Ayy Lmaos were dead which could potentially be millions of years, I can't remember. Then Awakened outright shows you not only didn't Isaac and Carver kill it when they "killed" it, it proceeded to continue reanimating everything on Tau Volantis and send a message to the Brethren Moons in deep space, and we don't even know if it actually died by the time they shocked out of there because Isaac was going completely insane on Terra Nova which was in orbit above Tau Volantis meaning its reach was still strong despite "dying".
Hell, Isaac has never been as insane as he was at the end of Awakened.
Death Star. Or have all of humanity retreat underground and nuke the surface. Or create self replicating AI that is optimized towards eliminating all necromorphs. Just do something. None of these are winning strategies, and most will likely get you killed anyway. But who cares at that point? Hatred, spite, and violence are the only correct answers to cosmic horror.
>Make self replicating AI focused on just purging everything that isn't it or even using it as fuel to do it faster/better >kill self cause it's not your problem anymore >Moons get to experience a taste of their own medicine
Good. Just put an American flag on them and program them to create killbots that say patriotic phrases and I'm get to work on putting the proposal to raytheon next week.
Better our universal genocide than theirs.
>Now all you've accomplished is unleashing an even more dangerous genocidal threat into the universe.
Well if the Brethren Moons didn't want that to happen, maybe they should have fricked off from rightful human soil?
>Well if the Brethren Moons didn't want that to happen, maybe they should have fricked off from rightful human soil?
They violated the NAP and will now be on the receiving end of our recreational Von Neumann swarm.
Eventually it'll become self aware for some dumb reason and figure out the best way to kill brethren moons is to also prevent them from finding life to uplift in the first place
https://nickbostrom.com/superintelligentwill.pdf
As long as we tuned it right at the start, it should be alright. What's it gonna do? Develop an entirely new set of values randomly?
>Well if the Brethren Moons didn't want that to happen, maybe they should have fricked off from rightful human soil?
They violated the NAP and will now be on the receiving end of our recreational Von Neumann swarm.
>The moons are the reason humans haven't been contacted by intelligent life >The moons are also the reason why any intelligent life exists at all
so they're just farmers coming to harvest their crop
You go into them with a spaceship drill and fight off the breeches in hull as it tries to burrow inside and stop you. This takes an entire game and some mcguffin marker magic at the center of one that gets rid of the others.
you need anti planet weapons which the humans in this setting could develop, although with the death of most humans and the fact they spread cults to make some amount of your population insane getting an industrial base going to strike back is extremely unlikely
warhammer 40k imperial human society, hypervigilance, always on watch, heretics (necromorphs and dissidents) get purged, corpses get burned automatically after death through some chemical concoction in the human body.
I dont know what game this is and who are those supposed to be but the answer, as with any fictional monster, is always the same. Bomb the frick out of them until they yield, the US probably has enough munitions for the B52's alone to bomb even god himself into submission
love that mass effect and dead space both have vastly more intelligent life forms creating life to be eaten at a later point. hate that they both shat the bed in the final act
Ar least DS3 had the balls to end on a "Yep, we're screwed" ending. It's the only way I can see things playing out for humanity in the setting. At least with Brethren moons being a thing
Seems like the logical thread they were setting up here. Granted they kind of nuked it by having every single moon eat every human planet immediately and at the same time.
Still pisses me off that we didn't get a new entry in the wake of this.
Like sure, definitely not a numbered sequel. Humanity is doomed, there's not much mystery left to the Necromorphs, there's no realistically fighting back against the Moons, and they would've give a shit about the smudges of sauce and gristle left over from devouring humanity, so there's a general lack of motivation to be had in the story and thus be numbered.
On the other hand, the setting is cool as shit, and there were two things people had to say about Dead Space 3:
1) The graveyard of ships was fun
2) The co-op missions were actually pretty alright
Bing Bang Boom, make a sequel that just cares about gameplay, and consists of you and your crew on one of the last human ships, going on missions to scavenge shit just to keep surviving. Would've been fun. Plus if they DID want to have any form of plot progress, then I dunno, contextualize it by being in a flotilla of survivors that want to leave instructions for the next civilization, even if that didn't work out so well for the last group of nonces that tried it.
>Still pisses me off that we didn't get a new entry in the wake of this.
first before that we would need is an unfricked DS 3 because still, look at the environment design and tell me there's no love from the team for the game
There is no unfricking DS3. It's so cut to ribbons that it's one of the few games that needs a complete and total ground-up remake to piece it back together properly, and it's impossible to say any single way of doing it is what DS3 would've been if it wasn't fricked up, because that game was frankensteined to shit. They put in the effort and it's not really their fault, but you can clearly see the seams where concepts and story beats were sliced up and sewn back in order to get SOMETHING out on time after all the constant changes.
>The co-op missions were actually pretty alright
Only if you're Carver. Isaac players get completely shafted and may as well not even be there because of how pointless their existence is in the co-op missions. They're effectively a vehicle to funnel Carver health if he needs it.
The series needs to reboot Dead Space 3. Make it single player survival horror only like the DS remake. Incorporate the moons into the story at an earlier point and end with a setup to continue the story how the programmers intended with you navigating around a Unitologist mausoleum fleet.
mental resistance (if you don't it's just skill issue), AI and planet crackers,
keypoint doomers forget is humanity tamed the power of stars without markers as a power source,
and it's not like even Ishimura's planet cracking has to be prepared, not doing so on normal planet would destroy the ship, but for something like bretheren moon it would be extra painful
yeah it feels like this was the initial aim then some doomer homosexuals came in with "no what do you mean you kill the monster haven't you read le heckin Black personman >:(" when Cthulu got slept by a frickin boat.
You guys need to stop acting like planet crackers instantly crack planets. It takes a bare minimum of six months just to do because you need to land on the planet and make structures to use the tether at all.
What kind of FTL does Dead Space have? As long as it's not teleports then it's the simple matter of taking a rock and accelerating it sufficiently. Not hard.
>What kind of FTL does Dead Space have?
https://deadspace.fandom.com/wiki/ShockPoint_Drive >The depiction of space-time (via a two-dimensional model) relative to the rear of the ship expanding while that in front of the ship is contracting seems to indicate the concept is related to/derives from the theoretical Alcubierre drive, a proposed means of achieving faster-than-light travel.
My mistake, I remembered it wrong. Not six months, three to five years. Even if we pretend a random planet cracker can do it without gravity tethers it still takes a week.
Piloting the Ishimura and fighting the moons head on via planet cracking. I don't know why people couldn't put 2 and 2 together here.
>I don't know why people couldn't put 2 and 2 together here.
Because you don't even understand what planet cracking entails.
https://deadspace.fandom.com/wiki/Planet_Cracking >Planet cracking is a lengthy process typically spanning from three to five years. Generally, the first year is spent prospecting and setting up the planetside colony. To minimize losses, these colonies are intentionally a light outlay in terms of infrastructure. The next eighteen months involve tectonic excavation, gravity tether maintenance, and related planetside activities. The planet cracker arrives between the 2.5 and 3 year mark, depending on the progress of excavation. Once the ship is in orbit, preparation for tectonic chunk extraction begins. This takes approximately one week. The removal of an excavated chunk from the planet into a stabilized geosynchronous orbit usually takes about 1 day (24 standard hours). During this process, billions of tons of debris break off from the underside of the chunk, creating an instant asteroid ring around the planet. While the floating debris is extremely dangerous, planet cracker ships have an excellent Asteroid Defense System (ADS) to keep the ship and crew safe from harm. [...] This process is repeated until the entire planetary body has been broken up and processed. Smaller bodies, such as asteroids, are drawn into the mining bays and processed directly, using direct processing beams to reduce waste.
The thing takes a week just to crack a planet with years of surveying and entire facilities set up on said planet to do anything. Even if you want to argue that's just to make the gravity tether accurate it says it still takes them a week, and that's talking about modern machines, not the Ishimura.
>The removal of an excavated chunk from the planet into a stabilized geosynchronous orbit usually takes about 1 day (24 standard hours)
Properly it takes a long time, but if they just rip it open to fire a railgun directly into it's glowing weakpoint then I'm sure they could justify a much shorter timeframe, especially since the Moons are fleshy so it'd probably be easier to tear it apart.
I meant for the purposes of the BM fight. Like Isaac uses a planet cracker and Carver + Friends are in a separate ship or something. It's just a shame we'll never see anything with the series again except shitty ripoffs that miss what make it so good.
I meant for the purposes of the BM fight. Like Isaac uses a planet cracker and Carver + Friends are in a separate ship or something. It's just a shame we'll never see anything with the series again except shitty ripoffs that miss what make it so good.
Blowing up the weak points barely fazes the Moon. It takes the alien device to actually harm it in any really sense, and as Moose explained, this might not have killed the damn thing.
It's not for war though its for mining. They don't just shoot a laser and blow a planet up. They cut out chunks and pull them out using gravity tethers. And even that takes people on the ship AND colonies down on the planet to make it happen
I find it hard to believe a society as advanced doesn't have weapons of war powerful enough to destroy what are essentially big balls of meat and bone. I'm sure even a co-ordinated icbm nuke strike today would frick these up, maybe not kill them but slow them down at least.
Humanity was getting fricked by a necromorph outbreak on earth and didn't even know about the moons. Things were over before the moons showed up, and you gotta think you have all the brain washed and jusf straight up marker worshippers who are already in places of leadership ready to undermine anything like nuking
What kind of FTL does Dead Space have? As long as it's not teleports then it's the simple matter of taking a rock and accelerating it sufficiently. Not hard.
make a gigantic spaceship thats essentially a planetcracker X plasmacutter and break the bastards into pieces
also would have been extreme kino if for DS4 survivors managed to crack 1 necromoon, went inside it with a spaceship only to find the inside isn't just a disgusting pile of flesh but actual alien architecture.
I don't care if the Dead Space remake was a pointless remake I just want a fricking remake of Dead Space 3 man. fix it and make it a good end to the trilogy. Frick you EA.
the recent demake didn't stole mechanics from 2, it literally fricking stole from 3 (necros unrespondent to staggering, backtracking sidequest, fricking up the story for no reason)
It didn't frick up the story, in fact it made things make more sense with the whole trilogy. It was clear that in DS1 they didn't plan brethren moons in the future at all
They would unironically lose against Eggman. He's built weapons that can destroy entire star systems, and can even transfer his own full consciousness into robot bodies to avoid the mental influence of the Markers.
Hell, he could just send a rocket full of the Metal Virus goop into one of them and turn them all into giant robot moons loyal only to him.
>He's built weapons that can destroy entire star systems, and can even transfer his own full consciousness into robot bodies to avoid the mental influence of the Markers.
Hell, he's more than smart to get the signal that makes him want to make more markers instead of making him manically suicidal/homocidal or otherwise insane. That's still a bad thing, but if he's aware of it, it's still feasible.
>What is the weakest Dragon Ball character who could still reasonably take out the moons solo?
Dude even fricking Yamcha could blow up each of the moons considering he's stronger than the Ginyu Force after the end of the Namek arc
I mean, any Z-fighter is a casual planet cracker at this point. Assuming vegeta wasn't blowing himself out of proportion (no guarantee) he could destroy a planet back in saiyan saga with some charge up. Accounting for everyone still alive being at their highest strength level it'd probably be Nappa or Cui but both are weak willed as frick. For someone who'd be just strong enough to do it and not mentally a complete moron, maybe Ginyu.
Starship Troopers mentioned that the humans have created weapons that could crack open and destroy an entire planet. Dead Space has ships that take apart planets for their resources. I'm pretty sure the humans can come up with something to kill the Brethren moons.
However, if things get bad. Any surviving humans should relocate to other colonies and space stations, revive the old religions of Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Taoism and maybe Judaism, in order to combat the brainwashing of Unitology while creating weapons of planetary destruction for the inevitable reencounter with the Brethern moons.
>Any surviving humans should relocate to other colonies and space stations, revive the old religions of Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Taoism and maybe Judaism, in order to combat the brainwashing of Unitology
That's an interesting proposition, but I'm sure if that would be at all effective. I fear it's more likely that the influence of the Markers/Brethern Moons would just pervert the religions if anything.
If they revive the old religions and play their cards right, than the Christian and Muslim religious leaders can condemn the Markers as Satanic tools and the humans can safely nuke the things from orbit.
You don't, I'm kind of glad they ended 3 the way they did because fighting those things and even winning at that would just feel so forced. It's good horror, the type of horror of facing something you just stand no chance against
I've had nightmares where like I look up in the sky and a giant meteor is coming towards earth. Its a weird terrifying feel that I imagine would be similar to seeing a fricking brethren moon when it was about to hit earth at the end of 3s dlc
Giant meteors of the size you could outright see approaching earth would pose little threat to us though, since we could see them from so far away.
Ones too small to see but big enough to frick shit up? those are the problem.
How do you fight those within the conventions and theme of the setting? You don't. They've already won.
How would you fight those, realistically? Relativistic Kill Missiles bring all to heel. Spooky flesh planets are no exception.
>They're smaller though
The Brethren Moons are actually pretty large compared to actual moons, which we see when theyre right next to Earth. They're closer to dwarf planet's in size
Don't worry. Most of the work has been done. After all the crew has died, Isaac is there to finish the job in a roughly 10 hour adventure fixing machines, fetching keys and listening to audio logs which outline how the crew survived for so long (reverse marker signal).
I remember when DS3 came out. In the Dead Space thread on somethingawful one of the visceral devs posted there. He pretty much agreed with all the criticism of the game and was like. hands up, yeah EA fricked us completely. The change in directors/producers, being forced to add all the microtransaction shit.
Yeah, I tried replaying it recently and the crafting stuff is just completely made to frick you and push you to buy packs. In a DEAD SPACE game, a survival horror game, you have to set done a gay little drone to gather supplies at pre designates spots and have to actually WAIT to get the supplies, like I remember just waiting at a bench for the timer to go down to actually get my shit. And maybe because I was playing on hard but I felt I wasn't actually getting enough stuff to actually make any cool guns either
I always just like to pretend Dead Space as a series ended here.
Dead Space 3 never happened the Callisto Protocol never happened and the Dead Space Remake definitely never happened
FRICK the fricking moons. FRICK Mass Effect and Visceral for last minute changing their fricking antagonists >previous Reapers
Mostly good guys attempting to salvage the mass effect problem who add a layer of nuance to the series >nu Reapers
AI is LE EBULS! And they KILLED their creators! But they didn’t kill THEMSELVES, despite the fact they were made with AI! So somehow they knew to preserve themselves but didn’t know to preserve their CREATORS! Because writers don’t fricking understand AI development! Yay! >previous Necromorphs
Dying alien race decides to do one of the most abominable acts in fiction; upload their consciousnesses inside Markers before scattering them across the universe, so they can convert the biomass of new sentient species into new bodies for themselves. Ties into the mining theme of the series and makes them appropriate antagonists >nu Necromorphs
OOOOOOOOOOOOOH! FLESH MOON! SOOOOOOOOOO SCARY! IN SOVIET RUSSIA, MOON MINE YOU!
FRICKING Black folk DESERVED TO BE RAPED BY THEIR PARENT COMPANY
>Dying alien race decides to do one of the most abominable acts in fiction; upload their consciousnesses inside Markers before scattering them across the universe, so they can convert the biomass of new sentient species into new bodies for themselves
Where is this from?
It's about existential dread and peoples' actions in a hopeless situation. Also, BETA have anti-plot armor and would job to almost every advanced sci-fi society because of how long their adaptations take. Hell, one of their main hives was taken out by a single nuke before it got to do anything.
Seems like inhabiting the moon's shock jumping is the biggest hurdle. If you could effectively strand them you could try loads of shit like simple bombardment to using flesh eating bacteria
whack them with a celestial body, drop them into a black hole, invert a small portion of the color charges of quarks making them collapse into a black hole, whatever. they're not even close to a big deal. if you wanted to be ironic about it just do what they do and make an "inverse" marker signal that just kills necromorph tissue.
not my problem
I've said it before and I'll say it again:
You don't. The point of the ending of DS3 is humanity is fricked and the brethren moons won. Kino Lovecraftian ending.
>the brethren moons won
The only thing I don't like about this ending is how late the "moons" are introduced.
The game is basically saying: "Oh and by the way, there are these huge monsters, you lose", 5m minutes before the end.
No foreshadowing or anything.
At least in Lovecraftian fiction, we know pretty early on that there is some higher power or whatever at play.
It was the developers final frick you to EA for all the meddling so they could not continue the series after closing the studio.
No, it wasn't. Ben Wanat actually had a sequel to Dead Space 3 planned where is waifu would save the universe.
Wrong.
>Dead Space 4 was the planned fourth installment in the Dead Space series.
>The game would have followed on directly from Dead Space 3 with humanity facing extinction at the hands of the Brethren Moons. Taking inspiration from the flotilla section in Dead Space 3, the notion was that the player (Ben Wanat stated that he would have made Ellie Langford the game's protagonist) was trying to survive on a day-by-day basis, scavenging supplies while looking for survivors and withstanding the Necromorph-infected ships. The player would have their own ship.
>planned
>drawn on a napkin while security is escorting people out of the stufio
He wrote Dead Space 3 to replace Isaac with Ellie. He planned it long before the studio was closed.
"Planned" he knew he won't do anything with it.
No one wanted to play as Ellie, what a crock of shit.
Of course not. He actually wanted Ellie as the protagonist of Dead Space 3 but EA said "Frick no!" Ben Wanat is obsessed with this character. So much so he didn't even realize he made her an unlikable moronic c**t in the third game.
sounds kino
>Ellie Langford
can't remember anything about this broad other than her breasts
would have been a genius idea to let her headline 4. they probably would have covered her up head to toe too
>would have been a genius idea to let her headline 4. they probably would have covered her up head to toe too
No shit moron they're in space, she'd be wearing a RIG
This along with “the brethren moons are the devil you know” are cool ideas. Would’ve been interesting to see what they could’ve come up with that was worse than the moons, they’re not flood-level fricked but they’re already pretty horrific
The mass effect treatment huh.
sasuga austin-sama
>Visceral gradually eaten by EA and put into an unwinnable position (get 1 gorillion DS3 sales or we kill the franchise, also add MP and single player MTX)
>studio morale probably at rock bottom levels
>ending of the franchise is that all is fricked and there is no hope
Beyond Ludo
They ate the human race. There isn't any fighting.
I just want to know why they were psychic or some shit? How does any of the Markers and that kind of shit actually make any sense? Do these moon-sized psychic flesh monster jellyfish then just go around the galaxy putting random Markers on planets until eventually some dickheads make more of them? Basically that shit just doesn't make sense. I know it's a horror story so it's not intended to make perfect sense, but this is just plotholes.
Black markers are probably just accidents. The brethren moons don't know that they're going to make intelligent things, they're just byproducts of the brethren moons existing at all. They get shat out all over space and some of them collide with planets. Some of those planets can produce life. That life sometimes becomes intelligent, allegedly thanks to the Marker which itself is a byproduct of intelligent life, and starts making more markers to make more intelligent life that the brethren moons can feed on.
They don't plant them. They shoot them out into space. People make more of them because the signal they emit is a code on how to make more as well as harness infinite power/electricity from them. People use them as power sources. They don't start converging people until the time is right.
They shoot them into space and they land on planet's, where they accelerate the development of intelligent life. Said life will eventually find the Markers, use them for infinite energy, develop to obscene numbers, fall into insanity and obsession with the Markers, suffer from a Necromorph outbreak and finally trigger Convergence to create a new Moon. The Moon will then repeat the process.
They seeded planets with a potential for life all over the universe millions of years ago. The markers are dormant and waiting until a civilization of large enough size develops and then they activate. When activated they manipulate people and make them replicate the markers to amplify the signal and infect enough life forms for the final transformation.
The only thing that doesnt make sense is how they got to Earth. Sure they may be smart etc but they are still flesh without hyperspace travel capacity. Would be better if they found where humanity is but it would take them much more time to get there.
The Moons can naturally move fast enough to outspeed Shockpoint Drives. They can most likely accelerate Markers to similar speeds until they hit a viable planet.
Prion disease, probably. Brethren moons are intelligent.
that would actually work
like what can they do against fricking prions? maybe amputate the part that is infected?
you don't, it's a lovecraftian horror beyond your comprehension
>beyond your comprehension
>i can see it and comprehend what i'm seeing
>i can go on a wiki and read about its life cycle and comprehend that
>it can speak to me in my head and i can comprehend it
>only thing i can't do is fight it because it's too fricking big
not lovecraftian
>I read about a snake's venom and its properties online, I'd probably be unfazed if I was ever bitten.
You grew too arrogant behind the comfort of your screen.
Don't you fight and kill one? They probably have glowing weak points inside of them that you can blow up.
The one you fight was a newborn/not complete. Also you had ancient alien tech amping up your gear.
The one you fought was literally "dead" and frozen for an untold amount of years, however long the Ayy Lmaos were dead which could potentially be millions of years, I can't remember. Then Awakened outright shows you not only didn't Isaac and Carver kill it when they "killed" it, it proceeded to continue reanimating everything on Tau Volantis and send a message to the Brethren Moons in deep space, and we don't even know if it actually died by the time they shocked out of there because Isaac was going completely insane on Terra Nova which was in orbit above Tau Volantis meaning its reach was still strong despite "dying".
Hell, Isaac has never been as insane as he was at the end of Awakened.
Death Star. Or have all of humanity retreat underground and nuke the surface. Or create self replicating AI that is optimized towards eliminating all necromorphs. Just do something. None of these are winning strategies, and most will likely get you killed anyway. But who cares at that point? Hatred, spite, and violence are the only correct answers to cosmic horror.
>Our final act of spite
>In order to kill the monsters that killed us, we made monsters of our own
>Make self replicating AI focused on just purging everything that isn't it or even using it as fuel to do it faster/better
>kill self cause it's not your problem anymore
>Moons get to experience a taste of their own medicine
Kinda reminds me of halo and how the forerunners defeated the flood.
Now all you've accomplished is unleashing an even more dangerous genocidal threat into the universe.
Teach them to love
Good. Just put an American flag on them and program them to create killbots that say patriotic phrases and I'm get to work on putting the proposal to raytheon next week.
Better our universal genocide than theirs.
>Now all you've accomplished is unleashing an even more dangerous genocidal threat into the universe.
Well if the Brethren Moons didn't want that to happen, maybe they should have fricked off from rightful human soil?
>Well if the Brethren Moons didn't want that to happen, maybe they should have fricked off from rightful human soil?
They violated the NAP and will now be on the receiving end of our recreational Von Neumann swarm.
How so? Just program them to kill all brethren moons.
Eventually it'll become self aware for some dumb reason and figure out the best way to kill brethren moons is to also prevent them from finding life to uplift in the first place
https://nickbostrom.com/superintelligentwill.pdf
As long as we tuned it right at the start, it should be alright. What's it gonna do? Develop an entirely new set of values randomly?
Unfathomably based.
Why not at least try to give it a directive to not interfere with humans.
>just cripple it unprovoked bro
No. That would violate the NAP.
Q bomb
>The moons are the reason humans haven't been contacted by intelligent life
>The moons are also the reason why any intelligent life exists at all
so they're just farmers coming to harvest their crop
Pretty much. There's a reason they think they're God.
by literally using the literal tools at your literal disposal.
You build your own moving moon weapons.
Anything is possible through Christ.
Amen.
planet cracking tools :^)
?
yeah, i guess playing snooker with stars would do the job
So what is it ?
I'm guessing it's a white hole!
you get one extra interwebz point
You go into them with a spaceship drill and fight off the breeches in hull as it tries to burrow inside and stop you. This takes an entire game and some mcguffin marker magic at the center of one that gets rid of the others.
Metroids? With ice
find a ship and flee to another galaxy
They can move fast enough to outrace shockpoint drives. They could most likely pursue you wherever you go.
maybe. but first they would focus on the most populated places first
markers are sperm
planets are the egg
You wait for the heat death of the universe and spiritually, you have the last laugh
You're still dead though
you need anti planet weapons which the humans in this setting could develop, although with the death of most humans and the fact they spread cults to make some amount of your population insane getting an industrial base going to strike back is extremely unlikely
warhammer 40k imperial human society, hypervigilance, always on watch, heretics (necromorphs and dissidents) get purged, corpses get burned automatically after death through some chemical concoction in the human body.
like this
what is this? Trace is giving me Boku no Hero.
Getter Robo Armageddon
tanx
Ramming speed.
That would do basically nothing.
With a frick you
You don't you just lose
We whites will be extinct soon anyway. I will not fight to save kids of noahs and tyrones.
>we
your skin is as brown as your streets
Only parts that are brown in my body are my poop and my iris. Apart from that I'm whitest white.
They have you fighting a culture war to keep you from fighting a class war. Wake up.
pills and a planet cracker ship
Giant robots with drilling lasers.
I dont know what game this is and who are those supposed to be but the answer, as with any fictional monster, is always the same. Bomb the frick out of them until they yield, the US probably has enough munitions for the B52's alone to bomb even god himself into submission
love that mass effect and dead space both have vastly more intelligent life forms creating life to be eaten at a later point. hate that they both shat the bed in the final act
Ar least DS3 had the balls to end on a "Yep, we're screwed" ending. It's the only way I can see things playing out for humanity in the setting. At least with Brethren moons being a thing
You build a planet size Plasma Cutter.
>Planet
>Planet-cracker ships exist
Seems like the logical thread they were setting up here. Granted they kind of nuked it by having every single moon eat every human planet immediately and at the same time.
Still pisses me off that we didn't get a new entry in the wake of this.
Like sure, definitely not a numbered sequel. Humanity is doomed, there's not much mystery left to the Necromorphs, there's no realistically fighting back against the Moons, and they would've give a shit about the smudges of sauce and gristle left over from devouring humanity, so there's a general lack of motivation to be had in the story and thus be numbered.
On the other hand, the setting is cool as shit, and there were two things people had to say about Dead Space 3:
1) The graveyard of ships was fun
2) The co-op missions were actually pretty alright
Bing Bang Boom, make a sequel that just cares about gameplay, and consists of you and your crew on one of the last human ships, going on missions to scavenge shit just to keep surviving. Would've been fun. Plus if they DID want to have any form of plot progress, then I dunno, contextualize it by being in a flotilla of survivors that want to leave instructions for the next civilization, even if that didn't work out so well for the last group of nonces that tried it.
>Still pisses me off that we didn't get a new entry in the wake of this.
first before that we would need is an unfricked DS 3 because still, look at the environment design and tell me there's no love from the team for the game
There is no unfricking DS3. It's so cut to ribbons that it's one of the few games that needs a complete and total ground-up remake to piece it back together properly, and it's impossible to say any single way of doing it is what DS3 would've been if it wasn't fricked up, because that game was frankensteined to shit. They put in the effort and it's not really their fault, but you can clearly see the seams where concepts and story beats were sliced up and sewn back in order to get SOMETHING out on time after all the constant changes.
>The co-op missions were actually pretty alright
Only if you're Carver. Isaac players get completely shafted and may as well not even be there because of how pointless their existence is in the co-op missions. They're effectively a vehicle to funnel Carver health if he needs it.
The series needs to reboot Dead Space 3. Make it single player survival horror only like the DS remake. Incorporate the moons into the story at an earlier point and end with a setup to continue the story how the programmers intended with you navigating around a Unitologist mausoleum fleet.
mental resistance (if you don't it's just skill issue), AI and planet crackers,
keypoint doomers forget is humanity tamed the power of stars without markers as a power source,
and it's not like even Ishimura's planet cracking has to be prepared, not doing so on normal planet would destroy the ship, but for something like bretheren moon it would be extra painful
If only humanity in-universe had the technology to break apart ("crack" if you will) giant celestial bodies ("planets" if you will).
yeah it feels like this was the initial aim then some doomer homosexuals came in with "no what do you mean you kill the monster haven't you read le heckin Black personman >:(" when Cthulu got slept by a frickin boat.
You guys need to stop acting like planet crackers instantly crack planets. It takes a bare minimum of six months just to do because you need to land on the planet and make structures to use the tether at all.
>What kind of FTL does Dead Space have?
https://deadspace.fandom.com/wiki/ShockPoint_Drive
>The depiction of space-time (via a two-dimensional model) relative to the rear of the ship expanding while that in front of the ship is contracting seems to indicate the concept is related to/derives from the theoretical Alcubierre drive, a proposed means of achieving faster-than-light travel.
My mistake, I remembered it wrong. Not six months, three to five years. Even if we pretend a random planet cracker can do it without gravity tethers it still takes a week.
>I don't know why people couldn't put 2 and 2 together here.
Because you don't even understand what planet cracking entails.
https://deadspace.fandom.com/wiki/Planet_Cracking
>Planet cracking is a lengthy process typically spanning from three to five years. Generally, the first year is spent prospecting and setting up the planetside colony. To minimize losses, these colonies are intentionally a light outlay in terms of infrastructure. The next eighteen months involve tectonic excavation, gravity tether maintenance, and related planetside activities. The planet cracker arrives between the 2.5 and 3 year mark, depending on the progress of excavation. Once the ship is in orbit, preparation for tectonic chunk extraction begins. This takes approximately one week. The removal of an excavated chunk from the planet into a stabilized geosynchronous orbit usually takes about 1 day (24 standard hours). During this process, billions of tons of debris break off from the underside of the chunk, creating an instant asteroid ring around the planet. While the floating debris is extremely dangerous, planet cracker ships have an excellent Asteroid Defense System (ADS) to keep the ship and crew safe from harm. [...] This process is repeated until the entire planetary body has been broken up and processed. Smaller bodies, such as asteroids, are drawn into the mining bays and processed directly, using direct processing beams to reduce waste.
The thing takes a week just to crack a planet with years of surveying and entire facilities set up on said planet to do anything. Even if you want to argue that's just to make the gravity tether accurate it says it still takes them a week, and that's talking about modern machines, not the Ishimura.
>Log:Planetary Mining - An Investor's Guide
>in: Dead Space (2023) Chapter 10 Logs
>Dead Space (2023)
https://deadspace.fandom.com/wiki/Planetary_Mining
It was in both games and is completely unchanged in the Remake.
that's better.
>The removal of an excavated chunk from the planet into a stabilized geosynchronous orbit usually takes about 1 day (24 standard hours)
Properly it takes a long time, but if they just rip it open to fire a railgun directly into it's glowing weakpoint then I'm sure they could justify a much shorter timeframe, especially since the Moons are fleshy so it'd probably be easier to tear it apart.
>to fire a railgun
It doesn't fire a railgun. As far as we know it uses gravity tethers on the planet to rip a chunk out of the planet.
I meant for the purposes of the BM fight. Like Isaac uses a planet cracker and Carver + Friends are in a separate ship or something. It's just a shame we'll never see anything with the series again except shitty ripoffs that miss what make it so good.
Blowing up the weak points barely fazes the Moon. It takes the alien device to actually harm it in any really sense, and as Moose explained, this might not have killed the damn thing.
It's not for war though its for mining. They don't just shoot a laser and blow a planet up. They cut out chunks and pull them out using gravity tethers. And even that takes people on the ship AND colonies down on the planet to make it happen
It takes nearly half a year to crack planets, which won't work against the casually MFTL demon moons with lightyears-spanning mind rape fields.
The first game takes place on a giant planet cracking ship. You figure it out.
Just blow it up 4head
I find it hard to believe a society as advanced doesn't have weapons of war powerful enough to destroy what are essentially big balls of meat and bone. I'm sure even a co-ordinated icbm nuke strike today would frick these up, maybe not kill them but slow them down at least.
The moons don't attack until they're ready. They use markers as a way to mind rape the populace into submission so there is no risk of counter attack.
Humanity was getting fricked by a necromorph outbreak on earth and didn't even know about the moons. Things were over before the moons showed up, and you gotta think you have all the brain washed and jusf straight up marker worshippers who are already in places of leadership ready to undermine anything like nuking
With a knife
Its not that hard actually
crowbar is usually faster though
Maxwell.
literally stick a needle in its eye
The ishimura was a planet cracker, that should work
What kind of FTL does Dead Space have? As long as it's not teleports then it's the simple matter of taking a rock and accelerating it sufficiently. Not hard.
make a gigantic spaceship thats essentially a planetcracker X plasmacutter and break the bastards into pieces
also would have been extreme kino if for DS4 survivors managed to crack 1 necromoon, went inside it with a spaceship only to find the inside isn't just a disgusting pile of flesh but actual alien architecture.
Just launch an asteroid at it.
with PLANET CRACKERS, it was so obvious.
>Literally HOW do you fight these?
The green pill allows you to impregnate robots, so it is the best option
Piloting the Ishimura and fighting the moons head on via planet cracking. I don't know why people couldn't put 2 and 2 together here.
Through the power of self belief and intergalactic fighting robots.
I don't care if the Dead Space remake was a pointless remake I just want a fricking remake of Dead Space 3 man. fix it and make it a good end to the trilogy. Frick you EA.
you know when you think about it,
the recent demake didn't stole mechanics from 2, it literally fricking stole from 3 (necros unrespondent to staggering, backtracking sidequest, fricking up the story for no reason)
It didn't frick up the story, in fact it made things make more sense with the whole trilogy. It was clear that in DS1 they didn't plan brethren moons in the future at all
grey goo them
They would unironically lose against Eggman. He's built weapons that can destroy entire star systems, and can even transfer his own full consciousness into robot bodies to avoid the mental influence of the Markers.
Hell, he could just send a rocket full of the Metal Virus goop into one of them and turn them all into giant robot moons loyal only to him.
>He's built weapons that can destroy entire star systems, and can even transfer his own full consciousness into robot bodies to avoid the mental influence of the Markers.
Hell, he's more than smart to get the signal that makes him want to make more markers instead of making him manically suicidal/homocidal or otherwise insane. That's still a bad thing, but if he's aware of it, it's still feasible.
markers affect electronic signals/machinery too. Anything that can receive signals can be manipulated by it.
If you kill them, you will be just like them.
Now that the dust has settled what is the best Dead Space game? 1? 2? remake?
One for horror, two in general, and three for lore and the wacky stuff you can do.
You don't. I liked that Dead Space stuck to its guns and left humanity in peril.
God is a lot bigger than a brethren moon
Prove it.
Don't worry. I know a guy.
What is the weakest Dragon Ball character who could still reasonably take out the moons solo?
>not even a planet buster
Beerus.
Don't speak of what you don't know.
Krillin
Master Roshi destroyed the moon pretty early in the story.
>What is the weakest Dragon Ball character who could still reasonably take out the moons solo?
Dude even fricking Yamcha could blow up each of the moons considering he's stronger than the Ginyu Force after the end of the Namek arc
I mean, any Z-fighter is a casual planet cracker at this point. Assuming vegeta wasn't blowing himself out of proportion (no guarantee) he could destroy a planet back in saiyan saga with some charge up. Accounting for everyone still alive being at their highest strength level it'd probably be Nappa or Cui but both are weak willed as frick. For someone who'd be just strong enough to do it and not mentally a complete moron, maybe Ginyu.
If I had to guess, probably a series of physics puzzles and fetch quests.
Starship Troopers mentioned that the humans have created weapons that could crack open and destroy an entire planet. Dead Space has ships that take apart planets for their resources. I'm pretty sure the humans can come up with something to kill the Brethren moons.
However, if things get bad. Any surviving humans should relocate to other colonies and space stations, revive the old religions of Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Taoism and maybe Judaism, in order to combat the brainwashing of Unitology while creating weapons of planetary destruction for the inevitable reencounter with the Brethern moons.
>Any surviving humans should relocate to other colonies and space stations, revive the old religions of Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Taoism and maybe Judaism, in order to combat the brainwashing of Unitology
That's an interesting proposition, but I'm sure if that would be at all effective. I fear it's more likely that the influence of the Markers/Brethern Moons would just pervert the religions if anything.
If they revive the old religions and play their cards right, than the Christian and Muslim religious leaders can condemn the Markers as Satanic tools and the humans can safely nuke the things from orbit.
Exterminatus!!
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Indomitable human spirit.
You don't, I'm kind of glad they ended 3 the way they did because fighting those things and even winning at that would just feel so forced. It's good horror, the type of horror of facing something you just stand no chance against
I've had nightmares where like I look up in the sky and a giant meteor is coming towards earth. Its a weird terrifying feel that I imagine would be similar to seeing a fricking brethren moon when it was about to hit earth at the end of 3s dlc
Giant meteors of the size you could outright see approaching earth would pose little threat to us though, since we could see them from so far away.
Ones too small to see but big enough to frick shit up? those are the problem.
we could never stop a meteor the size of a city, which would be enough to wipe out most life on earth
See it from far enough away and it'd take the slightest of a breeze to stop it.
are you stupid
What if Brethren moons mind raped you so that you view them as this instead of giant balls of meat? Would you support them then?
In the unreleased 4th game isaacs girlfriend and some other people destory the moons but humanity is still doomed.
How do you fight those within the conventions and theme of the setting? You don't. They've already won.
How would you fight those, realistically? Relativistic Kill Missiles bring all to heel. Spooky flesh planets are no exception.
Planet Crackers since that's a major Human industry in the Dead Space universe and they're the size of moons.
Planet cracking is a slow process, good luck pulling it off on a sentiet moon that wants to kill you
They're smaller though, so the process could be sped up compared to cracking an actual planet.
Yeah so it would take months or at best weeks instead of years. The moons aren't gonna give you that long.
>They're smaller though
The Brethren Moons are actually pretty large compared to actual moons, which we see when theyre right next to Earth. They're closer to dwarf planet's in size
planet cracking constructively, and for the purposes of finding and gathering useful resources, is slow. Destruction is always much faster.
Don't worry. Most of the work has been done. After all the crew has died, Isaac is there to finish the job in a roughly 10 hour adventure fixing machines, fetching keys and listening to audio logs which outline how the crew survived for so long (reverse marker signal).
Probably something like EarthGov using its own markers to make Human Moons to combat the alien Moons
Just blow up the sun bro
God, frick the Nomai
>frick the Nomai
Hell yeah I would
Also black holes, even our Sun could incinerate that shit
I remember when DS3 came out. In the Dead Space thread on somethingawful one of the visceral devs posted there. He pretty much agreed with all the criticism of the game and was like. hands up, yeah EA fricked us completely. The change in directors/producers, being forced to add all the microtransaction shit.
Just a fricking awful, awful game.
Yeah, I tried replaying it recently and the crafting stuff is just completely made to frick you and push you to buy packs. In a DEAD SPACE game, a survival horror game, you have to set done a gay little drone to gather supplies at pre designates spots and have to actually WAIT to get the supplies, like I remember just waiting at a bench for the timer to go down to actually get my shit. And maybe because I was playing on hard but I felt I wasn't actually getting enough stuff to actually make any cool guns either
I always just like to pretend Dead Space as a series ended here.
Dead Space 3 never happened the Callisto Protocol never happened and the Dead Space Remake definitely never happened
>ElliexIssac destroyed just to make a convenient plot point
DS3 was a mistake.
Teleport black holes inside them.
That's....not how things work...
That's what you think
Get drunk and punch it real hard.
>Get drunk and punch it real hard.
Yes.
?t=666
Get sanic to beat them
So if you kill the Brethren Moons what happens to the Markers?
They presumably just turn into weird looking rocks, since their endless energy seems to stem from the Moons.
They make more moons so you can keep selling moon-killing weapons just like Ayn Rand would have wanted.
If only we had some kind of spaceship that could “crack” a “planet”
If only you had a “brain” that “worked”
FRICK the fricking moons. FRICK Mass Effect and Visceral for last minute changing their fricking antagonists
>previous Reapers
Mostly good guys attempting to salvage the mass effect problem who add a layer of nuance to the series
>nu Reapers
AI is LE EBULS! And they KILLED their creators! But they didn’t kill THEMSELVES, despite the fact they were made with AI! So somehow they knew to preserve themselves but didn’t know to preserve their CREATORS! Because writers don’t fricking understand AI development! Yay!
>previous Necromorphs
Dying alien race decides to do one of the most abominable acts in fiction; upload their consciousnesses inside Markers before scattering them across the universe, so they can convert the biomass of new sentient species into new bodies for themselves. Ties into the mining theme of the series and makes them appropriate antagonists
>nu Necromorphs
OOOOOOOOOOOOOH! FLESH MOON! SOOOOOOOOOO SCARY! IN SOVIET RUSSIA, MOON MINE YOU!
FRICKING Black folk DESERVED TO BE RAPED BY THEIR PARENT COMPANY
>Dying alien race decides to do one of the most abominable acts in fiction; upload their consciousnesses inside Markers before scattering them across the universe, so they can convert the biomass of new sentient species into new bodies for themselves
Where is this from?
there’s literally one deleted audio log from DS2 that’s kind of hints at this, it was cut from the game though, not sure when in the development cycle
I don’t remember if the other ones in the video give more detail, I only remember that specific one
Go to 6:55
His ass.
give the moons their daily dose
>alien threat with plot armor harvesting humans
Why is this so common?
It's about existential dread and peoples' actions in a hopeless situation. Also, BETA have anti-plot armor and would job to almost every advanced sci-fi society because of how long their adaptations take. Hell, one of their main hives was taken out by a single nuke before it got to do anything.
why the beta do look like that
Just goofy JP designs mostly, but there are explanations for why each one has its features.
Just irradiate them until all the meat dies bro. Meat is weak and unsuitable for space travel.
Schindclghcist IV
Nukes until they stop driving people insane
Upgraded Plasma Cutter
attract them to earth and blow the sun out. scorched earth
Seems like inhabiting the moon's shock jumping is the biggest hurdle. If you could effectively strand them you could try loads of shit like simple bombardment to using flesh eating bacteria
You'd still need to deal with their lightyears-spanning mindrape aura and tentacles.
how man brethren moons even be real homie just telekinesis markers into them! lol!
Accelerate spaceship to light speed and hit them really hard
Anon that maneuver is one in a million
By canceling the sequel
You don't, there will never be a sequel.
convince them to transition and they'll self-destruct
whack them with a celestial body, drop them into a black hole, invert a small portion of the color charges of quarks making them collapse into a black hole, whatever. they're not even close to a big deal. if you wanted to be ironic about it just do what they do and make an "inverse" marker signal that just kills necromorph tissue.