game explicitly points out that the shadows were sent by izanami/the big disco eyeball to kill their other selves as part of the plan to make everyone shadows/mindless creatures of ID as part of her dumb jrpg plan to stop conflict between humans because shes granting the desires of sadboys in a lazy copy of what nyx was doing in the previous game. they deliberately take doubts and rumors about the person and mix them with the actual issue so that the host denies that they aren't him so they can go berserk and take over (shadow yosuke literally says "yeah, I'm not you anymore, I'm ME now") and this is why kanji sits down after the boss fight and says that his issue explicitly isn't about if he likes 'dudes or chicks' but him being alone and going "well if girls don't like me ,maybe guys will?" because he's literally 15 years old and going through a moment of moronation.
>yosuke is a sociopath that kills for fun and chie is a lesbian dominatrix
both true
>yosuke is a sociopath
Ye
>Kanji
homosexual >Yosuke
Brociopath >Chie
I will fix her.
Is there a single moment in the entire game where teddie is a nihilist that wants everything to end like shadow teddie does? No, because the shadows take a single point (teddie being literally hollow and feeling doubts about this, yosuke being bored of the country town where lots of people hate him for his dads job and wanting something interesting to happen, chie having some awkward feelings about how much more popular her best friend is then her) and adds a lot of other bullshit onto it on purpose.
persona 4 is written like shit so I understand how people misunderstand this stuff but you simply aren't understanding the game and are deliberrately choosing facts that are more convenient for you if you try to deny what the story is actually telling you, whch tbf is what it was going for with its tv/fog theming so lol
the final boss literally spells out how shadows work differently from what the game was implying the entire time, shadow teddie is a nihilist and regular teddie isn't so shadows don't reflect all your feelings.
The game explicitly says it's the things you bury deep down as hard as you can to avoid confronting or discussing.
5 months ago
Anonymous
I pointed out in my other post all the ways the game says that's only part of it and then the shadows also explicitly include other shit and you hit me with a TLDR for giving examples my point. so instead I'm going to call you gay and stop replying.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Final Boss has been and always was full of fricking shit. Why the frick would you trust anything Izanami says period?
5 months ago
Anonymous
They are parts of person, feelings that said individual might not even be truly aware of. They aren't true self. Additionally shadows will take it to extreme and twist it further just to make person break under it. Shadows have agenda here- they can become their own individuals or overtake [kill] host in such scenarios.
>Is there a single moment in the entire game where teddie is a nihilist that wants everything to end like shadow teddie does?
yes, when he gets depressed over Nanako and finally accepts that he's not human, only coming out of it if Nanako is saved. >teddie being literally hollow
how fricking low-iq are you? Shadow Teddie is literally about to tell everyone that Teddie is just a shadow but gets interrupted. why the frick would you think it's about Teddie being physically fricking hollow?
teddie being sad about nanako dying =/= wanting to kill everyone to end their suffering like shadow teddie does. he doesn't even kill himself in the ending where nanako actually dies unless you're going to cope that he totally killed himself when he returned to the shadow world.
Final Boss has been and always was full of fricking shit. Why the frick would you trust anything Izanami says period?
>Why the frick would you trust anything Izanami says period?
because izanami thinks it's doing the right thing and has no reason to lie and everything the narrator/igor say supports that izanami isn't lying its just morally opposed to (you) and the majority of humanity that aren't sadboys. Is it that hard to just admit the game was going for something different from what you wanted?
>teddie being sad about nanako dying =/= wanting to kill everyone to end their suffering like shadow teddie does
he wants to go back to being a mindless shadow. his shadow self is just that desire to avoid the harsh realities of life taken up a notch to wanting to spare everyone else the futility of living. >he doesn't even kill himself
he cuts himself off from everyone and goes to live in a formless world where his own personality and sense of self will be erased, it is essentially death. there is virtually zero distinction. >everything the narrator/igor say supports that izanami isn't lying
Izanami lying to you is the main plot twist of the game you brainlet. her whole fricking thing is obscuring the truth with fog. how did you miss this?
5 months ago
Anonymous
>Izanami lying to you is the main plot twist of the game you brainlet.
yeah, and once you go through all the fog she cuts the bullshit and tells you everything, or are you saying that even in the 'true' ending the cast never did reach out to the truth and there's actually another layer that they never figured out?
>shows up >takes all the credit >almost gets killed due to her own impulsiveness >suggests murder at the first possible opportunity >lets nanako poison yu >leaves
What the frick was her problem?
naoto is obviously a girl wearing mens clothing who doesn't even try to sound especially masculine and has a female voice actor in both jp and english. during the club scene kanji can sniff out that their drinks don't seem like alcohol so he can smell the subtle ways that teenage girls smell differently from teenage boys - which is a fundamental fact of biology trannies want to pretend doesn't exist.
this. same with Rise being a prostitute.
the shadow is the self that you don't choose.
notice that the only shadows that don't have any sexuality are Yosuke and Teddie, the only two characters who are completely forthright about their sexual desires.
Kanji's shadow being gay and Rise's shadow being a prostitute indicate that their real selves are the opposite and have been actively choosing not to be those things.
also Chie is obviously 100% submissive and made for bullying.
I mean that's the point. Yusuke was scared that for even split second he thought that such horrible events can be 'interesting'. It might make him think he is horrible person so he buried initial thoughts deep down. Shadow used it.
She felt overwhelmed and caged to point of being blind of what's important to her. She lacked perspective.
Both aren quite typical cases.
the problem is that the game takes the jugian shadow archetype stuff but only in a superficial way and then turns it into something about literal shadows from the shadow world that want to kill and replace their original which is how the shadows in persona 3 were like
I get the feeling the only reason its in the game at all is because persona 2 had the actual jugian shadow selves shit and persona 3/4 were giving a token attempt to pretend they're a sequel to that game.
I always got the feeling from Ultimax that they were trying to retcon him into deliberately playing the antagonist so the actual heroes could save the day.
He is insane and given the opportunity a really bad person, sure he got the ever-living shit beaten out of him by a bunch of teenagers and arrested, that made him mellow out. But he got rewritten to allow him to appear in the game as a supporting character and maybe in future entries so they can keep milking his character.
Better rape chie
>tfw no kung fu enthusiast tomboy gf to kick me in the nuts
friendly reminder that if you think kanji is gay because of his shadow then yosuke is a sociopath that kills for fun and chie is a lesbian dominatrix
>yosuke is a sociopath that kills for fun and chie is a lesbian dominatrix
both true
chie femdom unnghh
they literally outright say that the shadows are part of the real person, but only one part
game explicitly points out that the shadows were sent by izanami/the big disco eyeball to kill their other selves as part of the plan to make everyone shadows/mindless creatures of ID as part of her dumb jrpg plan to stop conflict between humans because shes granting the desires of sadboys in a lazy copy of what nyx was doing in the previous game. they deliberately take doubts and rumors about the person and mix them with the actual issue so that the host denies that they aren't him so they can go berserk and take over (shadow yosuke literally says "yeah, I'm not you anymore, I'm ME now") and this is why kanji sits down after the boss fight and says that his issue explicitly isn't about if he likes 'dudes or chicks' but him being alone and going "well if girls don't like me ,maybe guys will?" because he's literally 15 years old and going through a moment of moronation.
Is there a single moment in the entire game where teddie is a nihilist that wants everything to end like shadow teddie does? No, because the shadows take a single point (teddie being literally hollow and feeling doubts about this, yosuke being bored of the country town where lots of people hate him for his dads job and wanting something interesting to happen, chie having some awkward feelings about how much more popular her best friend is then her) and adds a lot of other bullshit onto it on purpose.
persona 4 is written like shit so I understand how people misunderstand this stuff but you simply aren't understanding the game and are deliberrately choosing facts that are more convenient for you if you try to deny what the story is actually telling you, whch tbf is what it was going for with its tv/fog theming so lol
>words words words
damn bro summarize all this shit in one sentence or less
the final boss literally spells out how shadows work differently from what the game was implying the entire time, shadow teddie is a nihilist and regular teddie isn't so shadows don't reflect all your feelings.
The game explicitly says it's the things you bury deep down as hard as you can to avoid confronting or discussing.
I pointed out in my other post all the ways the game says that's only part of it and then the shadows also explicitly include other shit and you hit me with a TLDR for giving examples my point. so instead I'm going to call you gay and stop replying.
Final Boss has been and always was full of fricking shit. Why the frick would you trust anything Izanami says period?
They are parts of person, feelings that said individual might not even be truly aware of. They aren't true self. Additionally shadows will take it to extreme and twist it further just to make person break under it. Shadows have agenda here- they can become their own individuals or overtake [kill] host in such scenarios.
>Is there a single moment in the entire game where teddie is a nihilist that wants everything to end like shadow teddie does?
yes, when he gets depressed over Nanako and finally accepts that he's not human, only coming out of it if Nanako is saved.
>teddie being literally hollow
how fricking low-iq are you? Shadow Teddie is literally about to tell everyone that Teddie is just a shadow but gets interrupted. why the frick would you think it's about Teddie being physically fricking hollow?
teddie being sad about nanako dying =/= wanting to kill everyone to end their suffering like shadow teddie does. he doesn't even kill himself in the ending where nanako actually dies unless you're going to cope that he totally killed himself when he returned to the shadow world.
>Why the frick would you trust anything Izanami says period?
because izanami thinks it's doing the right thing and has no reason to lie and everything the narrator/igor say supports that izanami isn't lying its just morally opposed to (you) and the majority of humanity that aren't sadboys. Is it that hard to just admit the game was going for something different from what you wanted?
>teddie being sad about nanako dying =/= wanting to kill everyone to end their suffering like shadow teddie does
he wants to go back to being a mindless shadow. his shadow self is just that desire to avoid the harsh realities of life taken up a notch to wanting to spare everyone else the futility of living.
>he doesn't even kill himself
he cuts himself off from everyone and goes to live in a formless world where his own personality and sense of self will be erased, it is essentially death. there is virtually zero distinction.
>everything the narrator/igor say supports that izanami isn't lying
Izanami lying to you is the main plot twist of the game you brainlet. her whole fricking thing is obscuring the truth with fog. how did you miss this?
>Izanami lying to you is the main plot twist of the game you brainlet.
yeah, and once you go through all the fog she cuts the bullshit and tells you everything, or are you saying that even in the 'true' ending the cast never did reach out to the truth and there's actually another layer that they never figured out?
As a gay ship enjoyer I am so considering playing his romance mod
>yosuke is a sociopath
Ye
No no no, Yosuke is hot blooded and impulsive. You want sociopath, look at what the blue haired shit does to rile up Yosuke to begin with
>Points truth
>"Rules up"
Careful, anon.....
>shows up
>takes all the credit
>almost gets killed due to her own impulsiveness
>suggests murder at the first possible opportunity
>lets nanako poison yu
>leaves
What the frick was her problem?
>What the frick was her problem?
All the good cases are going to the Kuzonoha clan. Reliable clients are even hiring blonde gaijin instead.
>Kanji
homosexual
>Yosuke
Brociopath
>Chie
I will fix her.
i want chie to peg me
Yes, and that's why the game's message is completely fricked.
Kanji liked Naoto before realizing she was a girl so that's at least virtual gay
naoto is obviously a girl wearing mens clothing who doesn't even try to sound especially masculine and has a female voice actor in both jp and english. during the club scene kanji can sniff out that their drinks don't seem like alcohol so he can smell the subtle ways that teenage girls smell differently from teenage boys - which is a fundamental fact of biology trannies want to pretend doesn't exist.
>chie is a lesbian dominatrix
oh man that's hot
this. same with Rise being a prostitute.
the shadow is the self that you don't choose.
notice that the only shadows that don't have any sexuality are Yosuke and Teddie, the only two characters who are completely forthright about their sexual desires.
Kanji's shadow being gay and Rise's shadow being a prostitute indicate that their real selves are the opposite and have been actively choosing not to be those things.
also Chie is obviously 100% submissive and made for bullying.
Well bro I didn't think he was before but now you're making a good case for kanji being gay...
I don't want to inherit the family business. I want to go find a hunk to take care of all of my problems!
What's wrong with that? It's just the average woman's purpose
I mean that's the point. Yusuke was scared that for even split second he thought that such horrible events can be 'interesting'. It might make him think he is horrible person so he buried initial thoughts deep down. Shadow used it.
She felt overwhelmed and caged to point of being blind of what's important to her. She lacked perspective.
Both aren quite typical cases.
I hate Yosuke
And not a single sexual assault or rape to be heard of.
Cute Chie
Meanwhile Yukiko
it's not a crime if you have a detective there to say everything you do is legal
>be Adachi
>watch Midnight Channel
>Shadow Rise shows up
the problem is that the game takes the jugian shadow archetype stuff but only in a superficial way and then turns it into something about literal shadows from the shadow world that want to kill and replace their original which is how the shadows in persona 3 were like
I get the feeling the only reason its in the game at all is because persona 2 had the actual jugian shadow selves shit and persona 3/4 were giving a token attempt to pretend they're a sequel to that game.
Shadow Yosuke was cool
Reminder that he is Lucifer's Shadow.
no, he's Nanako's shadow
he's Yosuke's imaginary friend
so this is the state of P4 threads...
I just want to post cute Chies
Adachi?
Did nothing wrong except being a moron.
I always got the feeling from Ultimax that they were trying to retcon him into deliberately playing the antagonist so the actual heroes could save the day.
He is insane and given the opportunity a really bad person, sure he got the ever-living shit beaten out of him by a bunch of teenagers and arrested, that made him mellow out. But he got rewritten to allow him to appear in the game as a supporting character and maybe in future entries so they can keep milking his character.
God I love chie