The amount of times it does that shit is infuriating. Choose to kill Gale? Game over. Chose to refuse Valaak? Game over. Choose to kill Ketheric at the beginning of Act 2? Narrator gets mad and doesnt' want to let you push through. Tell Gale to blowhimself up? Game over. Kill the emperor? Game over.
>be a low level scrub >insult a godlike being in her face >she kills you with her mind powers >NOOO, WHERE'S MY USUAL SLAP ON THE WRIST FROM MOMMY, HOW IS THAT AN RPG, THIS IS RAILROADING!!1
Railroading would be allowing you to survive your moronic decisions no matter what, because "we want the players to only experience positive feedback", you mongoloid. Your actions having logical consequences is the essence of a good storytelling. Go play a Ubisoft title if you want a game where everyone keeps kissing your ass and forgive you no matter what you do, because you clearly only played games designed to be pure gratification and you cannot fathom the concept of freedom to make bad decisions.
Why give fake choices in the first place? Seems like a waste of money
>why have choices in the first place
Because the game should allow you to make mistakes and face the consequences.
>chose to obey vlaakith and kill dream guardian >guardian just says "it seems you can't be trusted" >emperor still trusts me later on
Beggars can't be choosers. You are literally his only asset.
The fact that you're not even allowed to fight Vlaakith raises a few CRPG red flags for me. Like, even though Final Fantasy is way shittier, at least you get to actually fight the bosses.
can't she just kill the entire party by imagining killing them?
9 months ago
Anonymous
Well I can sneak up and eldrich blast her off a ledge before she even sees me.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Yes. Questioning her godhood makes her cast wish to kill all of you.
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9 months ago
Anonymous
Then why doesn’t she cast wish on you in act 3 and steal the prism back
9 months ago
Anonymous
Because you're the only one who can enter the prism (thanks to the guardian) you frick
9 months ago
Anonymous
The same reason no one else in the setting doesn't just cast Wish to solve entire plot threads throughout the setting.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Because the writers are moronic manchildren?
9 months ago
Anonymous
Because Wish has many potentially terrible outcomes for you. Per 5E rules, just casting wish and using it for any other purpose than to replicate the effects of a 8th or lower level spell you get hit with a weakening debuff and you have a 33% chance of never being able to cast wish again. Then, your wish may take effect in unpredictable ways, which can be detrimental to you. The example that the book uses is transporting you to the future if you wish someone to die, removing yourself from the entire plotline.
So a wizard that goes around casting Wish willy-nilly will soon find himself unable to cast it ever again and likely fricks himself up in other ways in the process.
9 months ago
Anonymous
yeah, it's a moronicly big plot hole.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Because the writers are moronic manchildren?
yeah, it's a moronicly big plot hole.
That's mainly the FR setting's problem after 50+ years of retconning and nonsense though.
It's why they've written the new 5e status quo to be Ao keeping all the other gods/demigods in line if they pull any stupid shit.
But then the gods still pull stupid shit all the time and Ao doesn't really care until they directly try to frick with him (like the Dead Three tried by stealing his tablets).
9 months ago
Anonymous
>It's why they've written the new 5e status quo to be Ao keeping all the other gods/demigods in line if they pull any stupid shit. >But then the gods still pull stupid shit all the time and Ao doesn't really care until they directly try to frick with him (like the Dead Three tried by stealing his tablets).
None of these are 5e
9 months ago
Anonymous
That should only kill party members up to 100hp but Larian hacked the rules to make sure you can't disobey whaman.
9 months ago
Anonymous
That's Power Word Kill, moron.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Power Word cum in your ass, homosexual.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Wish doesn't really work for killing people, it's not supposed to be used that way, it never has, and even in 5e the spell description explains that wishing people dead will just lead to some monkey paw bullshit like sending you forward in time to when they've died of old age.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Wish works for whatever the DM wants because it's a shit fricking spell that should've been removed editions ago.
9 months ago
Anonymous
It's one of those spells that is exactly as good or shitty as your DM.
9 months ago
Anonymous
That description makes the spell sound like absolute dogshit that shouldn't be in the game at all. You're just proving that anon right.
9 months ago
Anonymous
What's the issue with it? That it's not deterministic? That it allows your DM to frick with you? Keep in mind you need to be a level 18 magic user to even cast it.
9 months ago
Anonymous
If a spell needs a discretion warning it's because it's the asspull spell, they should just call it Asspull instead of Wish because that's the only function it can possibly serve in a campaign.
9 months ago
Anonymous
It can be used reliably to remove serious curses and resurrect the dead beyond the power of normal resurrection, or unreliably to do pretty much everything else. Greedy wishes are suicidal so you'd never even try to cast one most of the time. Again, unless your DM sucks.
9 months ago
Anonymous
It can be used reliably to remove serious curses and resurrect the dead beyond the power of normal resurrection, or unreliably to do pretty much everything else. Greedy wishes are suicidal so you'd never even try to cast one most of the time. Again, unless your DM sucks.
It can also be used to raise ability scores. But raising them above 16 takes 10 wishes per point. I think the biggest problem with Wish is people overestimating how powerful it is intended to be.
9 months ago
Anonymous
it's a suggestion. I made wish a divine spell in my campaigns and it's power is equal to the strength of the souls consumed in the casting. A player sacrificing their lvl 20 character would be able to almost wish for anything except killing upper divinities and erasing universe. sacrificing a thousand people would bring grant you a extremely powerful wish etc.
Wish is an excellent spell that can be used as a major plot point.
9 months ago
Anonymous
wait a minute but vlaakith wished me dead???
9 months ago
Anonymous
That's not 5E.
wait a minute but vlaakith wished me dead???
No. She wished you to end. And as anon (and the sourcebook) said, how Wish works is up to DM fiat. Swen is the DM here, and he said it works with no monkey's paw.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Isn't wish really demanding on the caster even if they're lv20 or something
9 months ago
Anonymous
Vlaakith uses lvl 15 gith as wish spell consumables so she can cast it with no effort.
>fight an ancient lich who has a nearly unlimited access to spells like Wish >while on level 6
Hahaha! Oh wait, you're serious, let me laugh even harder.
You forgot: being mean to the gith stronk whaman kween? Game over without even an animation, just a textbox to tell you that you should bow to your kween.
>clearly evil b***h is clearly evil >insecure homosexual goes 'REEEEEE, WOMEN BAD!'
Second verse same as the first.
9 months ago
Anonymous
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Strawman much? >Vlaakith herself orders you to kill astral prison guy >Refuse >Get killed >Reload and accept >Can't kill them even if you want >Go back >Vlaakith doesn't instantly kill you now even though you have refused/failed her and she doesn't have any use for you anyways
Nice RPG choices and consequences you have there bro. Next time try defending complete games that didn't butcher their narrative in the last dev cycle.
9 months ago
Anonymous
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>Refuse >Get killed
You need to pick the most insulting option twice in arow to get killed, refusing normally just gets the gith mad at you. Who's strawmanning here?
9 months ago
Anonymous
I know that. Still many cases of railroading in bg3. She larps god, can wish you dead (Where's withers/your companions?), but she can't do so after you returned from the astral plane? Huh.
>No choice I make should result in bad thing happening
kid, you are moronic. This is literally how D&D has always worked >you get into an argument with the tavern owner >the commotion draws the attention of a guard patrol >they enter the tavern >"What's going on here?" >Player: Frick these guys! I draw my weapon! >DM: A reminder, you are level 2 and these are trained guards, all CR 7 and above. You realize you are extremely unlikely to survive outright combat. Are you sure you draw your weapon? >Player: YEAH!!! FRICK THESE GUYS!! >DM: Ok.... >Hey look, the campaign just ended and it's your own fault
Unrelated, but your example is bad because guards suck fricking dick and can easily be killed by low level players
I mean, what's the fricking logic? Why would a normal town have swole as fricking powerful people in it? Guards are just normal people with a sword and good phisique
Any GM who makes guards into death squads are massive shitters
By that logic any player who metagames guards being "just normal people" has typical modern ttrpg ego-stroke syndrome, since that implies your PC is a speshual snoflayk.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>By that logic any player who metagames guards being "just normal people" has typical modern ttrpg ego-stroke syndrome, since that implies your PC is a speshual snoflayk.
not that anon but the comparison I like to use is someone active in the army, and a regular beat cop. why would someone who actively sees combat lose to someone who walks around a town every day
Reminds me of a tabletop experience where our dwarven fighter was always doing funny dumb fighter shit and got himself burned beyond ressurection spells by charging straight at a dragon.
The DM wanted to give him a second chance by putting him in front of his dwarven god in front of the proverbial pearly gates. The god offering him a chance to go back in honour of his courage but with demands on what he should do to earn it. >nobody tells me what to do!
and he slapped the god in the face.
DM should have torn up his character sheet on the spot but was too pussyfoot and gave him yet another chance.
The lich queen is probably the most egregious case but the game is filled with le stronk woman who treat you like shit and you're expected to just eat it.
The lizard bawd in your party, the snake b***h at the grove, the other druid b***h in the shadowlands, a million out of place nigress soldiers, bandit leaders, thieves, etc. It's probably the most obnoxious type of poz in the game.
DOS2 had a problem with every character acting like a snob, now BG3 has a similar problem but with abrasive c**ts. It's like Larian writes one character and then copypastes them all over the game.
>lizard bawd in your party
I put her in her place at every opportunity until she eventually started to like it. >snake b***h at the grove
You can straight up murder this c**t. >Jaheira in shadowlands
You can murder her too, but it'll be a pretty tough fight and is a decidedly evil action.
The game is pozzed for sure, but this aint it.
>You can straight up murder this c**t.
And insta-lose that faction and have to go with the goblins because it's not what you're "supposed" to do to advance the story.
>You can murder her too,
Unwinnable fight without cheats and you also insta-lose that entire faction. Another "option" that's awkwardly accommodated because you're not supposed to take it.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Unwinnable fight without cheats
Lmaoing at you, chuddy. It's called Evard's Tactical Black person Dicks. The ultimate CC spell that has no target limit.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>And insta-lose that faction and have to go with the goblins because it's not what you're "supposed" to do to advance the story
Oust her as a Shadow Druid then kill her with validation.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>And insta-lose that faction and have to go with the goblins because it's not what you're "supposed" to do to advance the story.
Lol, you didn't lockpick her chest and find the missive from the shadow druids about their secret meeting place in the swamp and find the evidence needed to out her as a shadow druid so you could kill her with impunity.
I bet you didn't even trick the child into trying to run so the snake kills the child, either, because if you do AND you oust her as a shadow druid and convince her to redeem herself the tiefling kid's parents kill her during the celebration in your camp and you can put her corpse into your storage along with Gale's hand, the squirrel you gibbed, the bird you mangled, minthara's body, and every other grisly trophy from your adventures.
9 months ago
Anonymous
lmfao, unwinnable??? how the frick did you find the post button here
9 months ago
Anonymous
>side with the druids >call her on her shit >Halsin comes back and b***h slaps her down the ranks
wow fricking pozzed game forced me to kneel to her
9 months ago
Anonymous
I liked watching her get shanked by the parents. Kino.
The amount of times it does that shit is infuriating. Choose to kill Gale? Game over. Chose to refuse Valaak? Game over. Choose to kill Ketheric at the beginning of Act 2? Narrator gets mad and doesnt' want to let you push through. Tell Gale to blowhimself up? Game over. Kill the emperor? Game over.
ZzzzZZzzz
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LMAO what? Unistalled this linear railroaded slop right here.
>>Game gives me freedom >YAAAAAAY >>Game gives me freedom to make bad choices >OMG NOOOOOOO >HOW COULD THE GOVERNMENT LET THIS HAPPEN???? :~~*(
>If you disobey you die
This isn't even true. I told her to her face that I'm going to disobey her, and she didn't give a shit.
You only get killed if you question her divinity.
Only a shit DM would end the whole campaign off the one bad decision if just because there's 4 other buttholes who can also make the bad decision. The good DM lets you play out the consequences of your actions in a reasonable fashion so that you can understand the depths of your frick up and maybe fix some of it.
Ah, there you are. The homosexual nobody wants to play with.
I will ask again: when a dumb fricker says he jumps into an active volcano, should a good DM bother with keeping him alive? No, he made a clearly moronic choice and has to face the consequences.
A good DM is someone who will resolve a lost fight with players ending up as captives who may yet escape instead of having them immediately executed, not someone who constantly saves every moron from his moronic choices.
9 months ago
Anonymous
holy strawman batman
9 months ago
Anonymous
Hey homosexual the campaign doesn't end because one character dies you fricking dipshit. You tell him to roll up a new toon while the rest look on because THERE ARE 3-5 OTHER PEOPLE AT THE TABLE BESIDES HIM
9 months ago
Anonymous
In my experience, the campaign always ends when a troony gets offended at something dumb.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>THERE ARE 3-5 OTHER PEOPLE AT THE TABLE BESIDES HIM
Yes, and so the dead person is asked to leave the game. They can join the next adventure with a fresh character. This is standard DnD etiquette, unless your DM is a shit railroader, you fricking tourist.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Why would you not just roll up a new character immediately?
9 months ago
Anonymous
If they jump into a volcano with their character they were clearly done playing for the day.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>you can go left or right >uhhh, I'll go left >rocks fall, everyone dies >then I'll go right I guess >good choice
You must be a hoot to play with.
9 months ago
Anonymous
choosing a fork in the path and mocking a god like being who can nuke you from outer space are 2 very different scenarios anon.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>you can go left or right, but as you can see if you go left the rocks will fall and everyone will die >Uhh, I guess I'll go right >good choice you made, aren't you glad I'm not a railroading homosexual
Wow thanks man, good campaign
9 months ago
Anonymous
>rocks falling on you with no warning is the same thing as an in universe godlike being smiting you for insulting them twice for no reason, even warning you that insulting them is a bad idea after the first insult
if this was your silly cave scenario is that there are 3 ways, one is an agreeable path, one disagreeable and the 3rd a guaranteed death pit with glowing neon signs all over it saying "WARNING, DEATH AHEAD", with companions commenting that you shouldn't go that way when you decide to choose it
9 months ago
Anonymous
Honestly, past act 1 barely anyone comments on anything anymore.
9 months ago
Anonymous
you end up betraying Vlaakith anyway. In fact you betray her in the prism, mere seconds after you agree to cooperate, and her henchmen are instructed to kill you as soon as you come out regardless, so why doesn't she just kill you 5 minutes later? If she wants you dead she can apparently kill you at any time, and the railroading does nothing but break your suspension of disbelief.
A shit DM, sure. Their job is to prepare encounters and problems for the players, not solutions. If the players deviate then the DM has to follow along and prepare new situations based on what the players did.
In a perfect world, quests in BG3, would have all been like the grove defense/raid.
>Choose to blow up the world >World blows up and everyone dies >"Sorry guys, the entire world is gone. The game is over." >"What the frick???? What do you mean the game is over?!?!"
have a nice day
9 months ago
Anonymous
Strawman much? >Vlaakith herself orders you to kill astral prison guy >Refuse >Get killed >Reload and accept >Can't kill them even if you want >Go back >Vlaakith doesn't instantly kill you now even though you have refused/failed her and she doesn't have any use for you anyways
Nice RPG choices and consequences you have there bro. Next time try defending complete games that didn't butcher their narrative in the last dev cycle.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Refuse >Get killed
You need to pick the most insulting option twice in arow to get killed, refusing normally just gets the gith mad at you. Who's strawmanning here?
9 months ago
Anonymous
>BWAAAARGH I WILL BE OBEYED I AM YOUR KWEEEEEEEN >nah frick you >BWAAAAARGH YOU DON'T EVEN GET AN UNWINNABLE FIGHT, HERE IS A TEXT BOX SAYING THAT I AM YOUR KWEEEEEEEN
How about no?
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Dare a godlike being to their face to kill you. >She kills you.
Wtf how could I have seen this coming?
9 months ago
Anonymous
everyone, which is why its a shit rpg
9 months ago
Anonymous
she only kills you if you act like a dick to her
I didnt accept it and she didnt kill the party. Most the Bullshit god powers in the universe requires stuff like visual contact
9 months ago
Anonymous
>nooooo you can't act like a dick to the womerino who has been shittalking you and treating you like trash the whole time!! >if you do, the game designers will descend from heavens with their mighty text message to end your game and make you obey!!
9 months ago
Anonymous
Dear schizo, your obsession makes you miss the forest for the trees. You insult a godly being many times as strong as you in their face. It could have been Chad Megawiener, the Manly god of Alpha Masculinity and Plowing b***hes, but the end result would be the same.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Vlakith shows up and demands we kill Oberon >Detect thoughts >She's lying to Lae'zel >use tadpole to link minds with Lae'zel >Lae'zel tells her off and demands we go save Oberon >Don't die because I didn't suicidality mock a lich that uses Wish dozens of times an hour to try and achieve godhood
9 months ago
Anonymous
What's even dumber is vlaakith shows up again later and can be told to frick off then but this time it's ok no death consequence.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Vlaakith needs you alive to get inside of the prism. Her insta-killing you is literal villain hubris, because it fricks her over as well.
isnt this just the same as morrowind did with killable npcs? I don't see a problem here. Id rather more games give you the option to do things that might blow up in your face.
You can still complete Morrowind after killing Vivec. In BG3 you are forced to suck off the emperor's tentacles and listen to his whining until the very last moment.
Spoilers to explain why this particular instance made me asshurt.
Emperor during Act 2 >We use Orpheos' power to resist the Brain.
Also Emps during Act 2 >If you do not help me we will be doomed!
Meanwhile.. >In Act 3 you can just choose to say "frick you" to the Emp and free Orpheos. >The Emperor fricks off from the Astral prisim and leaves you there with Orpheous. >Guess what? You're not falling under control of the Netherbrain.
So why the frick does that happen in Act 2?
Act 2 >Orpheus is the reason why we are able to resist the Netherbrain. >Ok fine frick you, I'm freeing him and helping him fee his people and destroy the Chosen. >Game Over.
Act 3 >Orpheus is the reason why we are able to resist the Netherbrain. So I will eat him so I can do that. >Uh, no. Frick you, we're freeing Orpheus. >Not Game Over.
Logic.
so is the narrator apparently, who keeps trying to present his words as objective truth
either way, the fact this game over's you is one of the most glaring plot holes in the game
so is the narrator apparently, who keeps trying to present his words as objective truth
either way, the fact this game over's you is one of the most glaring plot holes in the game
No you are just retarsd lmao, Vlaakith tells Lae'zel to kill the prince instead of asking for the Astral Prism the moment she figures out you managed to learn how to use the powers.
When that happens the writters were thinking you would be asking how the frick is this random mindflayer doing something that even Vlaakith could not but if you don't figure out that then the reveal of his Identity its whatever.
Maybe when morons finish the game and realize he does destroy the Nether Brain they will put two and two together and realize who really is the main character of the story.
The keywords there are "WITH Orpheus". Orpheus is the protection, and until you get the tools in act 3 to properly release him vs just instigating a jailbreak before you have them, he's like to kill you then. The Emperor never lied, he was guiding Orpheus' power to protect you until Orpheus is capable to make that choice himself in act 3.
Canonically-speaking, it's unlikely that Orpheus would give 2 fricks about you if events hadn't played out the way they did, so the Emperor did do you a favor even if you don't need him later, but to throw that favor away later on is a dick move.
You can side with Orpheus in Act 3 but not in Act 2 for some reason? Just redirect all the energy that went into making all kind of irrelevant cutscenes with random NPCs and voiceovers for them into making some more Orpheus cutscenes for Act 2. Wow so hard.
In act 3 you actually have the means to free Orpheus you dense moron, siding with him in act 2 is meaningless and his honor guard will just kill you for being infected
That moron is complaining that the narrator tells you fighting him before you find the Nightsong, i.e. disable his invulnerability, is a bad idea and unwinnable
Topkek.
It would've been cool if you can join kethric somehow or if he can be killed or stopped without Nightsong. It feels a little railroaded. By far not the worst railroad in the game. If you take halsin to the grove, no one recognizer him.
So long as his life is tied to the nightsong, he can't die. He's bonded his life to an immortal curse, as long as the curse lives, he does. So if you fought him he'd just take 0 damage until he party wiped you
I was disappointed that it was impossible to knock him off the arena (his passive is always active) but pleasantly surprised to find the entire tower was perma aggro'd after I tried that murderhobo stunt.
>Choose to kill Gale? Game over
you can rip that guys hand off in the beginning of the game as dark urge >Chose to refuse Valaak? Game over
this one annoyed me >Choose to kill Ketheric at the beginning of Act 2?
this one doesn't bother me because Ketheric is immortal /w nightsong so it makes sense that you would just lose >Tell Gale to blowhimself up? Game over
this one is just "bad ending" basically >Kill the emperor? Game over.
this one also makes sense since he's protecting you
Gale blows up act 2? >yeah, billion mind flayers, you fricked up
Gale ows up act 3 >hey yeah, awesome, you did it, mystra happy. Mindflayers all gone, thx b***h.
haven't beaten the game yet but it makes sense for act 2 to be an issue since the tadpoles would just complete their ceremorphosis
I'm in act 3 right now and I assume gale blowing up is less bad for a few potential reasons:
1. ceremorphosis has already occurred so you aren't the reason all those people die but you can at least stop the driving force behind the army
2. you gained control of the crown and are somehow able to kill all the tadpoles or something before killing the brain
if it's not one of these or something similar, than yea it might be a contradiction but I will watch all the endings and see for myself once I finish the game
>haven't beaten the game yet but it makes sense for act 2 to be an issue since the tadpoles would just complete their ceremorphosis
Not one indication in game.
Let's wait until act 3, shall we? There are a lot (teleporting) mind flayers.
Gale goes boom no crown.
Pls do. Don't expect anything, not even the amending slides being implemented. They are on yt though.
So long as his life is tied to the nightsong, he can't die. He's bonded his life to an immortal curse, as long as the curse lives, he does. So if you fought him he'd just take 0 damage until he party wiped you
I know. First time I played act 2 I killed anything that moves, went to kethric... 0, 0, 0. Huh? Looked around his arena - nothing. Looked up wtf is going on; turns out, I never went north of house of healing.
Nightsong was initially a boss, instead of a dyke of the daughter of kethric.
>Chose to refuse Valaak? Game over
You mean Vlaaktih?
She is an incredibly powerful lich and you are low level shit when you meet her. You are suicidal if you refuse her. You are a little b***h with a fragile ego that can't put aside his pride. >Kill emperor
Again, suicide. Incredibly stupid suicide since you are told over and over again that he is the only one protecting you until you free Orpheus. You are completely allowed to kill him before the final fight, but don't act surprised when you die.
> Give player the choice to obey or disobey a Gith hag > If you disobey you die > If you obey you can keep playign the game
Why even pretend it's an RPG if it's just boring linear garbage? Might as well be watching god of war ragnarok the movie.
>wahh why are there consequences for my moronic actions!!??
I refused to do Vlaakith's bidding and Im still alive. You just have to not pick the "you do it yourself" options, and get out of the astral plane or whatever it was called as soon as you enter. >You are a little b***h with a fragile ego that can't put aside his pride.
Sounds more like you have your own personal hang ups. I wouldnt help Vlaakith like I wouldnt help Shar.
Yes I was referring to Vlaakith but I was quoting the guy I was replying to who originally misspelled which, by the way, you misspelled it as well lmao
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I concede. Was unaware of this.
Everything else stands. Except for the Kethric bit because I assume it's the same reason for him as well.
"Technically" it's both. Orpheus is imprisoned and is the source of the protection, while the Emperor is using/controlling/protecting that protection specifically /for your sake/. Orpheus is not protecting you, per se, any more than the Nightsong is protecting Ketheric; she's being used TO protect Ketheric.
>Chose to refuse Valaak? Game over
You mean Vlaaktih?
She is an incredibly powerful lich and you are low level shit when you meet her. You are suicidal if you refuse her. You are a little b***h with a fragile ego that can't put aside his pride. >Kill emperor
Again, suicide. Incredibly stupid suicide since you are told over and over again that he is the only one protecting you until you free Orpheus. You are completely allowed to kill him before the final fight, but don't act surprised when you die.
[...] >wahh why are there consequences for my moronic actions!!??
When I got to Vlaakith I told her to frick off in every possible dialogue option but never got killed. To be fair, I DID bow to her initially, for Lae'zel's sake (not that I give a frick about Lae'zel, but wanted to start the convo on a stronger footing until I heard more), and then Vlaakith basically said "Whatever b***h here's the portal into the Prism even though you said you're not gonna kill him" so I literally walked away, quest advanced, talked to Lae'zel about it, then went back and entered anyways, talked to Guardian to smooth things over and no consequences. Unless there's another time you meet her before the Creche that I'm unaware of where she kills you.
I think this kinda highlights just how deep they went on potential outcomes of conversations though, if lots of people died to her but I never did.
You forgot: being mean to the gith stronk whaman kween? Game over without even an animation, just a textbox to tell you that you should bow to your kween.
>Hey, you could tell Gale to blow himself up but it'll kill everyone in the immediate area >okay >*Gale blows up and kills everyone in the immediate area* >WTF WHY?!
>in act 3 he offers to teleport the entire party to safety when he goes nova >orb of invulnerability in case he couldn't >neither of these work, just a game over
There's an achievement for each of the major endings, and a separate cheevo for "finishing the game". Doing this gets one of the ending cheevos, but not the "you actually finished the game" cheevo. Also, as anon said, the narrator makes it clear this is not the ending fate had in store for you.
>Player, here's your choice: >1. Jerk off my character. >2. Play your own character. >Picking 2 shuts down the game. >it's totally not a pointless choice guys!
So you just put them there because you're a vile spiteful troony that wants to force people into a boring linear story and be put through 1 hour long loading screen when thhey make a choice you don't like?
I've played that yesterday and that entire part felt like a moronic fever dream with a noisy frog in the background
>commander: give me the thing >"no" *splat* >inquisitor: give me the thing >"no" *splat* >goddess: give me the thing >"no" >then you'll kill the person inside >"no" >well okay see you
wtf Larian
You should try giving them it >give it to commander ow it burns my hand take it to inquisitor >give it to inquisitor ow my hands show it to the queen >go inside and kill what ever is in there >kill the dream guardian >inquisitor says laezel is a harlot and tries to kill us despite being loyal >vlakaath shows up later in act 3 begging us to help her
my only complaint is that whenever i refuse to be manipulated to do shit in the name of the absolute i get attacked. it's obvious they want me to do their dirty work and i musnt refuse unless i wanna fight them. also why the frick am i not allowed to join ketheric. RPG???? more like cinematic railway game
Guys I need your help, I'm so fricking bored now that I'm done with bg3. Has anything come out in the last few weeks I can play? Romhacks, new cracks, anything please!
ITT: unless the game allows me to drop the main plot, fly to a rabdom planet and start a giraffe soccer league there, it is railroaded.
It'a like a bunch of homosexuals are struggling with understanding what a little thing called 'plot' is and why they will always be at least a bit constrained by it.
I get that point, and I usually apply the same logic to other games, but BG3 literally sells itself on these choices, and prepares you to make them. But when the tensions are high, and you aren't just choosing options for inconsequential bullshit, it completely fails you every time.
The most annoying one to me, so far, was when I confronted Nere. I had been roleplaying, and my character was refusing to use their mindflayer powers, only to be slightly convinced, even if it's to infiltrate Gymforge. But the second this dude comes out and starts murdering slaves like a cartoon villain, my only two options are to help him with an evil grin, or turn into a paladin like "STOP OPPRESSING MUH homieS, NERE." There's no way to try and mind control him, or some tricky check to convince him, it's just fighting gnomes or fighting him. Not only is the game constantly railroading you into random 'surprise' encounters, but half the characters you have dialogue with are just unavoidably hostile or instakill you if you don't choose the exact options the writer wants. What's even the point?
Ok but we're talking about asking a drow to not be a psychopath. That's like asking a lion to be vegan. I know you're a dnd secondary but drow are literally incapable of being good. If anything it's based that you can't persuade nere, he's a drow and gnomes are insignificant to him. So yeah you either kill him or watch him kill gnomes. That's not rail roading.
If you saw a bear attack travelers you have 2 options, kill the bear or watch the bear. Even with animal speech you can't dissuade beasts when they're commited.
Was it really that many? You know, I read a number of Salvator's books since I like fantasy and had limited options at the time, but in hindsight a lot of the plots were something you'd expect in Fanfiction.net I prefered Roger Zelazny's works to be honest.
>tricks you with a dream >eat the bugs dude >lol trust me >whole fricking realm says illithids are soulless creatures >shady undead guy we found in a crypt >lol just trust him bros >good job but eat the bugs lol >nah >well eat this superbug >lol no >fine I'll take it all for myself and totally not turn on you guys I swear >also we can frick if you want >homie u wat
It quite literally makes 0 sense. Orpheus is shown to be more than willing to put aside his grievances for the greater good. >The Emperor acts like a pouty little b***h baby and instead of even trying to stick around to see what happens just willingly runs back into being a thrall because... reasons... >Unable to """betray""" The Emperor in Act 2 like you can in Act 3.. because.. reasons.. >All of the companions outside of Lae'zel, Shart, Astarion and Gale have 0 development past act 2. >Betraying the grove and helping the Absolutists hard locks you out of some of the best vendors in the game. While you can access all of the vendors in the game by siding with the Grove. >Orin's entire plan to betray the other chosen is so poorly planned and thought out. She could've easily killed Gortash any number of times she wanted. Instead she didn't and continued to send random changlings and cultists because... reasons... >Kethric could've killed both Gortash and Orin while he had Dame Aylin prisoner, but he neglected to, despite the fact he was planning on it, because... reasons. >The Netherbrain is omniscient and plans for every outcome, instead of just breaking free the instant the grip was weakend and using all of the tadpole'd absolutists to wreck shit, it sits back and allows the PC to gather their strength, because.. reasons.
>>The Emperor acts like a pouty little b***h baby and instead of even trying to stick around to see what happens just willingly runs back into being a thrall because... reasons...
Because he was a thrall from the beginning you fricking moron holy shit pay attention
I think there is a lot wrong with the story but nearly all of these points are just straight up wrong or stupid.
>Unable to """betray""" The Emperor in Act 2 like you can in Act 3.. because.. reasons..
you literally don't know how to betray The Emperor, he has been dealing with the Githyanki in the artifact the entire time. All you know is that the Emperor is the one keeping you alive. >Betraying the grove and helping the Absolutists hard locks you out of some of the best vendors in the game. While you can access all of the vendors in the game by siding with the Grove.
Evil routes have less content in nearly all CRPGs. This isn't even a real problem with the game, you decided to do something moronic when your only lead in the game was to find Halsin who knows something about curing you. >Orin's entire plan to betray the other chosen is so poorly planned and thought out. She could've easily killed Gortash any number of times she wanted. Instead she didn't and continued to send random changlings and cultists because... reasons...
The very first intro scene of act 3 has Gortash telling Orin that they need to be careful or the Netherbrain would break free. Both of them need all three netherstones >Kethric could've killed both Gortash and Orin while he had Dame Aylin prisoner, but he neglected to, despite the fact he was planning on it, because... reasons.
Being immortal doesn't mean you're more powerful than others. >The Netherbrain is omniscient and plans for every outcome, instead of just breaking free the instant the grip was weakend and using all of the tadpole'd absolutists to wreck shit, it sits back and allows the PC to gather their strength, because.. reasons.
It's blatantly not that powerful. It's literally a slave to Ketheric, Orin, and Gortash. Even when its grip was weakened, it was struggling enough just to cause a bunch of small earthquakes every few hours. Beyond that, it's just... an elder brain. These aren't all powerful entities.
>you decided to do something moronic when your only lead in the game was to find Halsin who knows something about curing you
halsin is pretty much a dead end, taking your chances by infiltrating the absolutists who are obviously knee deep into this shit is a much smarter decision than siding with irrelevant tieflings and druids, and a more practical one since you won't have to face a fricking army on your own
just because the game is shit and you can retroactively dismiss the decision because it only cuts content without providing anything unique in return doesn't make the decision itself moronic
Your meta knowledge of the game being a game does not change the narrative of a character in that world not knowing who the frick the Absolute even IS at that point in the game, let alone how connected he is to your tadpole.
Regardless, the original anon's post stands: Act like an butthole and/or murder people, you can't be shocked when those people are no longer around to improve your life/gameplay. It makes sense in-world, not our fault that evil actions lead to consequences
>you literally don't know how to betray The Emperor, he has been dealing with the Githyanki in the artifact the entire time. All you know is that the Emperor is the one keeping you alive.
That doesn't change the fact you get a instant game over if you decide to not help him. Despite being able to do the exact same fricking thing in Act 3. >Evil routes have less content in nearly all CRPGs. This isn't even a real problem with the game, you decided to do something moronic when your only lead in the game was to find Halsin who knows something about curing you.
Then why the frick would anyone even bother doing these routes when the rewards and narrative take a complete and total fricking nosedive? It's unfinished. >It's blatantly not that powerful. It's literally a slave to Ketheric, Orin, and Gortash. Even when its grip was weakened, it was struggling enough just to cause a bunch of small earthquakes every few hours. Beyond that, it's just... an elder brain. These aren't all powerful entities.
If you've beaten the game and spoke with the Netherbrain you learn that this isn't true. It quite literally pulls an M. Night Shamalan and explains that he knew all of this bullshit would transpire.
>The very first intro scene of act 3 has Gortash telling Orin that they need to be careful or the Netherbrain would break free. Both of them need all three netherstones
Yet you can find Orin's assassin's outside of Gortash's personal quarters on top of Wrym Rock in Act 3. Which implies that instead of getting her hands on his Netherstone ASAP she would rather have an underling attempt to murder Gortash and bring it back to her? Even though she's had 2 (two) opportunities to kill him in person and take it? >Being immortal doesn't mean you're more powerful than others.
Uh huh. What exactly are Gortash and Orin going to do about Kethric being immortal before we free the Nightsong? Nothing. When the play attacks him in his boss fight he is invulnerable and immune. It's moronic.
Oh yeah and also, how the frick does Orpheus turn into a Mind flayer while not having a tadpole, and how is he capable of resisting the Netherbrain after enduring ceremorphis?
Notthing changes the points I made in my previous post by the way. The game is rushed as frick near the end, there are waay too many importantly story beats the game needs you to hit and interact with in a specific way to progress.
I believe Orin and Gortash have some sort of oath that they can't kill each other directly, which is why they send underlings to do it. Don't remember the specifics.
>even though she had two chances to kill him
She tells you that Gortash had her swear a divine oath that she wouldn't kill him when she swipes one of your party members
9 months ago
Anonymous
>this one also makes sense since he's protecting you
Wrong. Orpheus is the one protecting the player from inside the Prisim.
I concede. Was unaware of this.
Everything else stands. Except for the Kethric bit because I assume it's the same reason for him as well.
>how the frick does Orpheus turn into a Mind flayer while not having a tadpole
Probably the same way the Netherbrain instakills Gortash if you went that route: powers as the plot demands.
The script completely falls apart in act 3.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Unfortunately, yeah. Is the emperor ending explained? Made a second playthrough with companions, but they are pretty much silent in most of act 3, esp at the end. Iirc even in dos2 the companions had a line each after the final fight.
morons baiting don't even realize it's not refusing to follow vlaakith's order to hand the artifact over/kill the person dwelling inside it that gets your party instakilled, but shit talking her and downplaying her "godhood"
You absolutely can go through the entire encounter refusing outright to follow her orders without getting a game over if you're not moronic
>be a dickhead to most people the whole game >get to this b***h >kneel and blah blah blah >frick you >WHAT NO FRICK YOUUUUUUUUUU >FRICK YOU SUCK MY DICK YOU STUPID BI- >*game over*
I laughed
Probably because Orpheus can sort of tolerate your party but definitely not the Emperor himself. It's still completely nonsensical how he rides in on the final battle on the mind controlled dragon though.
>get to this part >he admits that he lied about his relationship with stelmane and just mindcontrolled her the entire time
Just about everything this guy says is a lie. Why would you ever trust him?
>Why would you ever trust him?
If you don't pay attention, a lot of what he says lines up with the truth.
I think he rarely outright lies to you, but a lot it are halftruths.
Orpheus is probably the best example >indeed sees you as abomination >thinks you just should've let his honorguard kill you
but Orpheus knows what's at stake and teams up with you and doesn't kill you.
What is it with leftoids and c**t queens screaming "boooow to your queen!" and shit like that at you?
It's Ragnarok's Freya all over again.
Do they have some kind of humiliation fantasy or something?
No monarch who wants to keep their head would act like that. Only the most fricktarded short-lived rulers ever had that shitty attitude and they are universally considered irredeemable villains, oh but when a woman does it you better kneel and she's not bad she just stronk.
Frick off with that shit.
>game reveals she's actually afraid of Orpheus and The Emperor because they know she and all the Vlaakiths before her lied to the Githyanki people, brainwashed, and subjugated them for a gorillion years >she is literally using her authority to cling to power, in reality she's just an insecure despot >"ummm.... she told me to bow??? fricking leftoid liberal writing"
>she is literally using her authority to cling to power, in reality she's just an insecure despot
So she's literally a leftist.
No wonder they defend her so much.
Nobody is defending her you dumb frick. She's an evil demi-god and the game fricking screams that in your face.
ok then why doesn't she instantly take the prism once you enter the creche, that would be a more reasonable game over
Because you're the only one who can enter the prism. She kills you the first time only because you explicitly insult her godhood and she irrationally lashes out. But she needs you to enter the prism and kill The Emperor and Orpheus
She literally can't do anything she wants.
She isn't physically there and can't get her hands on the artifact, so she has to rely on other gith to do it for her.
She also isn't an actual god and won't be until she kills Orpheus. Every Vlaakith before her has been trying to hunt down and kill Orpheus so they ascend to godhood and control the Gith unopposed.
You also find out in Act 3 that she doesn't realize that you're the only who can enter the prism because of The Emperor, so she stops trying to send Gith after you and tries to strike another bargain with you.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>in Act 3 that she doesn't realize that you're the only who can enter the prism
This is an argument in favor of murdering you in the creche. She has zero reason not to and she shouldn't wait to be insulted. It's completely out of character for her to even strike a conversation when murdering your whole party from a different plane of existence is an option.
9 months ago
Anonymous
You're not realizing that when she kills your entire party, she is casting Wish on you. Rationally, she does not want to burn Wish on dumb shit like that because she's been casting it for hundreds of years to try and become an actual god. She only casts it on you when you piss her off really badly.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>dumb shit like that
Retrieving the astral prism is her only motivator for even being in the fricking game you nonce. Also, she casts wish for breakfast in the morning because there's no shortage of moronic Black person tier githyanki to fuel her.
9 months ago
Anonymous
But she also needs you to enter the prism in order to kill The Emperor and Orpheus. Because both are threats to her rule and therefore would cut off her supply of Gith fuel for her wish casts. Casting wish to murder you just fricks her over because The Emperor is preventing anyone but you from entering the prism
9 months ago
Anonymous
>But she also needs you to enter the prism in order to kill The Emperor and Orpheus.
No, she doesn't. She just needs to have control of the prism. Which is exactly what she was doing prior to the events of the game. Which is why Jenevelle was tasked with stealing it from her in the first fricking place. You would know all of this if you didn't skip every cutscene.
>Because you're the only one who can enter the prism.
this isn't an argument considering Orpheus' honorguard found the real location of the prism and almost won the fight before we intervene. She has a primary interest in controlling the prism first and foremost, and killing Orpheus second. By killing us while we're in the creche and letting them return the prism, she has succeeded and is now no longer on a time limit for killing Orpheus.
tldr: you're a moronic Black person
>make a rule system >fill it with bullshit asspulls and everything-proof shields that ignore all the rules you established >all to prop up your pet self-insert characters
Are people actually mad about the Vlaakith game over?
She's a literal fricking demi-god, instantly killing you is effortless for anyone on that power level.
>reach the end of the game and agree to turn into a mindflayer to save the githyanki and Orpheus. >vampire runs away in pain from the sun while everyone laughs at him >karlach screams and explodes >laezel says I’m a liberator and dumps me cucking me for orpheus >I live in the sewers alone forever
Pic related was the biggest railroad in the entire game.
You and your party are pursuing Ketheric, who you just shitstomped in combat.
You finally find him, evil monologuing with the other two big villains of the story.
Despite being literally 5 feet away from them, you cannot talk or engage with the villains in anyway as they monologue, enact their magical ritual, and then teleport away.
It gets even FUNNIER if Wyll and Karlach are in your party.
Gortrash LITERALLY sold out Karlach and sent her to hell, and yet she just stands there silently glaring at the dude (despite being a literal Barbarian). And Wyll literally watches as they torture his father, and then shove a brain eating parasites into his brain.
The narrative dissonance in this scene was so great, that I couldn't even take the plot seriously anymore for the rest of the game
Yeah because even a fricking moron knows to maybe not mess with two other people who might be on the same level as the guy you just fought who was not that easy, are surrounded with illithids AND a fricking elder brain
The scene is stupid but c'mon even a fricking moron wouldn't jump in
>The narrative dissonance in this scene was so great, that I couldn't even take the plot seriously anymore for the rest of the game
God, do you read the stuff you write?
All of your complaints are literally handled in the scenes themselves through dialog.
Not attacking the trio is the most sane option. Without gale detonating himself you have no power to rival three chose of the dead three.
Not to mention constant barrages by the elder brain and the fricking 100s of mindflayers still haning around.
>Yeah because even a fricking moron knows to maybe not mess with two other people who might be on the same level as the guy you just fought who was not that easy,
We just beat Kethric solo. The harpers did NOT help us. >are surrounded with illithids
are jobber tier at this point in the story >a fricking elder brain
literally does nothing
The fight would've come close but Tav and co could have EASILY won at that stage in the story. They could even free the Angel to help them. >b-but Tav wasn't strong enough
Storywise, you're the exact same power level in this fight and in the last fight
>Storywise, you're the exact same power level in this fight and in the last fight
No you aren't.
Not against three of them and not with the elder brain and not with 100s of mindflayers.
You can't beat that even in game without cheats. You can't fend of 100s of characters even with low initiative rolls and basically having them puppetted by a necromancer if they die.
Like even by some literal divine intervention you manage to defeat 100s of mindflayers ketheric is just gonna lob their reanimated corpses at you while Orin shreds you a new one and gortash just poisons you.
>a fricking elder brain >literally does nothing
Yeah that's even more scary moron, elder brains are already capable of knowing you were just there through their magic bullshit but it's not deleting you and that's suspicious as frick
>Battle the Dead Three's chosen disciples all at the same time with Illithid support. >Somehow manage to scrape together a win. >Immediately get obliterated by the now-unchained Elder Brain.
Yeah because even a fricking moron knows to maybe not mess with two other people who might be on the same level as the guy you just fought who was not that easy, are surrounded with illithids AND a fricking elder brain
The scene is stupid but c'mon even a fricking moron wouldn't jump in
so the one time it made sense to have a moronic larian-esque reddit game-over option we don't get it? ok then
Say either Karlach or Wyll speaks up.
Now you have to fight the Chosen three at the same time alongside the Elder Brain they control, which is effectively a suicide option.
You can even tell Gale to blow himself up to end it right there.
Granted, that ending is stupid, but gets the point across that there's no chance of winning this fight.
The more glaring thing is that Gortash and Orin just frick off because >more pressing matters
if that Prism is that relevant *and* the player's party must be in the area,at least Gortash should be smart enough to figure out that this is their #1 priority.
Not leave it to the guy that already lost once to the player party.
That's a reason the game pittered out for me after act 2. I felt like I had the full arc with Kethric. These two jackasses showing up and I'm immediately thrown into supposing to give a shit about them. Kethric had an entire act to himself and then tweedle dumb and tweedle dee have to share an act with Elder brain/emperor/Orpheus/Vlaakith/raphael. The endgame is way too saturated with villains, while act 1 is utterly devoid of anyone of consequence.
I get that point, and I usually apply the same logic to other games, but BG3 literally sells itself on these choices, and prepares you to make them. But when the tensions are high, and you aren't just choosing options for inconsequential bullshit, it completely fails you every time.
The most annoying one to me, so far, was when I confronted Nere. I had been roleplaying, and my character was refusing to use their mindflayer powers, only to be slightly convinced, even if it's to infiltrate Gymforge. But the second this dude comes out and starts murdering slaves like a cartoon villain, my only two options are to help him with an evil grin, or turn into a paladin like "STOP OPPRESSING MUH homieS, NERE." There's no way to try and mind control him, or some tricky check to convince him, it's just fighting gnomes or fighting him. Not only is the game constantly railroading you into random 'surprise' encounters, but half the characters you have dialogue with are just unavoidably hostile or instakill you if you don't choose the exact options the writer wants. What's even the point?
You wanna know trash with grymforge? >Oath of the ancients >Oh these druegar are evil industrial slavers. Imma frick em up >Lose your oath for attacking them before Nere gets rescued
No fricking issues attacking anyone in the goblin camp unprovoked, my oath was fine there. But attacking industrial slavers and my oath gets broken? homie please.
>But attacking industrial slavers and my oath gets broken?
It's a naturally part of life that dusty skinned manlets be enslaved by taller, better built manlets.
Look bro. I'm gonna be honest with you. Regardless of her disposition she is a moron. She probably also smells like shit.
Go for another psycho wife. Preferably one who will at least spare you her wrath and value you.
What do I roll for my spaghetti western redemption arc half-orc Dark Urge?
I'm tempted to go Ranger/Rogue but I'll probably end up using bows/crossbows with that which seems like a waste of the half-orc crit damage trait.
the half orc crit isn't that good on rogue weapons so it doesn't really matter, it doesn't apply to sneak attack either
double hand crossbow rogue is very strong though, it should work with anything so just play whatever you want, this game is baby tier casual. I recommend Thief/Hunter, Thief/Battlemaster, Thief/Champion (to stack crit chance) or pure thief
How can you turn Karlach into a mindflayer? I'm at the point where I'm going to the House of Hope and I haven't eaten ANY tadpoles on anyone, but I accepted to hold the astral tadpole in my inventory just in case.
>500 employees working for years off an already made engine made something with less options than your average premade module people sell for a couple bucks
Lifting hamburgers doesn't count as lifting, just like taking hormones and cutting off your dick doesn't count as being a woman.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Stop thinking about my fat wiener and tell me your 1RM. You got time to b***h about Larian mogging your ISOslop codexcore troony-approved boomer RPGs, you got time to tell me how much of a weakling you are IRL.
You'll find her failing to break an unbreakable door with her mace. She survives.
The question: Is can you leave her passed out on the beach without taking the relic?
You find her in the Druid Grove afterwards. No idea what happens if you still don't recruit her there though. I assume the Prism goes to you no matter what because the Emperor needs to execute his plan and Shadowheart is a moron. Even if you try your best to make Shadowheart keep the relic, the relic eventually goes to your main character's inventory.
>Even if you try your best to make Shadowheart keep the relic, the relic eventually goes to your main character's inventory.
This became a game for me, "how long could I keep it in her inventory?" I failed at the creche.
Then I failed "how long can I keep her from blabbing about being a sharran" until the shadowfell. She even had a "I'm surprised you never figured it out" comment towards me, wish there was an option to say you just didn't want to press the issue or something similar.
You find her in the Druid Grove afterwards. No idea what happens if you still don't recruit her there though. I assume the Prism goes to you no matter what because the Emperor needs to execute his plan and Shadowheart is a moron. Even if you try your best to make Shadowheart keep the relic, the relic eventually goes to your main character's inventory.
the narrative gives it to you anyways because this is the best written game of all time!
You'll find her failing to break an unbreakable door with her mace. She survives.
The question: Is can you leave her passed out on the beach without taking the relic?
They wrote themselves into a corner so just casted Wish for that instead of a TPK.
So how do you get the prism if you just let shadowheart stay in the pod
>play morrowind >NEED to collect the McGuffin or you can't kill a god >Oh my god railroad!
Theres a million games that require a sacred McGuffin. The frick are you going on about.
Barb/Thief with Tavern Brawler feat. You steamroll the entire game just raging and throwing shit 4 times a turn. Throw the returning pike or legendary trident that automatically come back to your hand, or throw enemies at eachother, or heavy shit like barrels you keep in your inventory then have a party member blow them up with a fire cantrip.
As I said, it breaks the game. Especially with Haste/Potion of Speed. Averaging 400 damage per round in endgame because there's so many fricking items that boost throw damage on top of Tavern Brawler.
Paladin can smite, thief gives bonus action (god mode on), fighter gives action surge and fighting style, barb rage (50% less phys damage) and reckless attack (double chance to hit roughly). You could skip paladin for ranger (fire resistance).
Or I could just be Karlach, have free smites and fire resistence and just class into Thief, Fighter, Barb and actually have some feat choices before endgame.
Personally I'm playing monk, barb, thief. Monk is ridiculously op. I also use a mod that gives you feats every 2 levels, as I find it disturbing that trash mobs half your level have double your stats.
She's not presented as almighty. If you insult her she has a tantrum and wastes a wish to kill you, which in turn fricks her over. She also literally cannot get the astral prism without using loyal Gith to do it for her.
I don't hate that this exists as a stupid meme or otherwise, but damn it's weird, there's not enough leading up to it for him to come on that strongly with his no shirt having ass, you talk to him a couple times while some marvel battle happens at skull planet in the background, already tried to get you to transform. Sorry bro I don't want to what if we kissed inside the d20
>Agree to frick Will Smith's devil b***h >Before going to camp I visited the Emperors cuck shed and sifted through his crap >Go to sleep hoping for the sex scene >Fade into dreamland with this shirtless moron trying to suck my dick >Tell him to frick off >Wake up and immediately try to long rest again to get the sex scene >No scene plays just a regular sleep
FRICK THAT homosexual AND FRICK THIS GAY ASS GAME
While we are at it another thing that annoyed me >Go to brothel >Boss lady gives a quest to find out what happened to her hoe >Find her dead body >Reward is a free one-time voucher for use on drow twins >"Alrighty" >Choose to use on the sister >Tells me to follow her to the room >Have to actually follow her while she takes her time walking to the room which is a long ass way aways >After the 5 minute slow walk to room, she gets pissy at me for having my party there with me - says she's not down for getting a train run on her >Have to ungroup and manually move the party out of the room >Finally time for the reward >She turns the lights off and it is literally just a few lines of dialog on a black screen
Lazy FRICKS
To the surprise of no one. Whenever a fetish is involved it ALWAYS features a man. >goblin wants his foot licked
A male goblin >evil cleric wants to whip you S&M style
A male cleric >raphael's fricktoy wants to bang you
His original form is male >the emperor's voice
male
This pissed me off, too. I even went in with Gale as my romance option so it was a 2v2 orgy and all I got was some (admittedly funny) text about Gale going to sit down in a chair and watch while his Astral Projection did all the work.
Minthara also hates NGOs, groups like the Harpers, etc. But also loves deception, stabbing people in the back to get ahead, Machiavellian means justify the ends, etc. She hates Shar worshipers for being self indulgent but was once a proud noble of and advocate for Lolth society. Not sure if this is due to the cut content or not, but to make matters worse, the bread and butter of her interactions with Dyrge/Tav amount to her commenting on companions that's just shy of some writer attempting to shoehorn in his meta-observations about the D&D universe via character proxy...almost like a certain character in KotOR 2. Which brings to the comparison I made earlier.
Kreia was the personification of a black hole in KotOR 2. A singularity from which no other things or characters could escape. She was the beginning and the end. She was the author of people's past, present, and futures. She was the narrator, the watcher, the soothsayer, the shadow at the protagonist's back, the light guiding the way, the villain, the supplanting protagonist, (in some cases the wiener blocker), and was basically the one and only source of all the subversion and deconstructionism that I so heavily despised in that sequel.
Now, Minthara is nowhere near that level of obnoxiousness. But I found her dialogue option of commenting on every single companion to be reminiscent of Kreia's interactions with KotOR 2's protag. Almost as if she presumes she's wizened enough to make such observations on everyone. Who does this b***h she think is, Ao?
Basically, I was heavily intrigued by this character in EA, and I spent over 400 hours in that nonsense. But the more time I spent with her in the full game, the more and more I became disappointed with her. She's a hodgepodge of conflicting traits, ideas, and concepts. Winning her approval sucks, and with some of her content supposedly patched, she still barely works. Should have just been able to frick the half orc
keywords there being "no longer"
Only reason she refuses to go back to Medzarazaibnabgsiododg go frick yourself if you think I am going to attempt to spell that word ever again, is because she knows if she does, she'll be killed on sight for having a tadpole raped into her eye socket.
You know BG3 is good because every thread on Ganker has to pretend to be a negative shitpost but then you scroll to the bottom and it's just people talking about the game.
I heard this game doesn't work on AMD cards? I have one and uninstalled after a good several hours due to 5+ minute asset pop ins and terrible load times even on low settings. Really tried to play the game and it just wouldn't work, my computer ought to be able to run it
frick lmao that'll probably be another $60 won't it. So everyone's experience is that it's crazy buggy? For me every asset but the ground underlayer just wouldn't load for 1-5 minutes, it just was unplayable
I have a Radeon RX 6950 XT and it worked perfectly fine for me. Had some black boxes stuttering during certain cutscenes, but I think that was Vulkan issue.
>I heard this game doesn't work on AMD cards?
No, AMD cards do not work on the game.
To be more specific, AMD cards just don't work.
Get a real job so you can buy a real GPU.
Dragonborn Dyrge's "wave" to Vlaakith has got to be the single most smug yet simultaneously adorable thing I've ever witnessed. kawaii as frick my homie
>hope to god Larian could actually design good combat encounters that rewards positioning without turning it into a teleport fest like in OS2 >misty step misty step misty step misty step misty step misty step misty step
That's only half the problem. Larian is full of trolls who design encounters purposefully meant to frick you over before you even get to move your first character in the very first turn: Please see Trial of Bhaal in Act 3 for further reference. Or Raphael in same Act.
Encountered this in Act 1 when I found a guy screaming for help from Gnolls. The second I said okay my party got ambushed with Gnolls who had the high ground.
shit man, look at the frickin act1 trip to the mountain pass with the githyanki gang
lets give them all misty step and action surge because no would touch these frickers if we didn't give them racial specific shit like items and fighter misty step
Encountered this in Act 1 when I found a guy screaming for help from Gnolls. The second I said okay my party got ambushed with Gnolls who had the high ground.
shit man, look at the frickin act1 trip to the mountain pass with the githyanki gang
lets give them all misty step and action surge because no would touch these frickers if we didn't give them racial specific shit like items and fighter misty step
This game is not very difficult, even on Tactician. This is a skill issue.
you save scum just like everyone else to set up barrels. yeah no shit its not hard and easy to cheese. its bullshit like this that they spring up on you as the difficult part.
>you save scum just like everyone else to set up barrels.
I do not. This game is not very difficult, even on Tactician. This is a skill issue. You probably are picking the wrong spells or the wrong classes.
this is complete bullshit dude. even laezel gets temporarily left out of the party to go up and talk to them
you can talk your way out of it but you get put right into action if you fail a frickin deception check and boom, they have the initiative.
you're talking completely out of your ass
9 months ago
Anonymous
The githyanki patrol has been in Early Access for 3 years. It used to be more difficult (than even Tactician now) and they nerfed it.
Some people have no problems winning the fight. You do. This is a skill issue. You are probably using the wrong spells and not getting as much AC as you could, this is almost 100% the cause.
you can't complain the game is too hard when you get Potions of Speed like candy (which you probably don't even use). this is a
SKILL
ISSUE
9 months ago
Anonymous
>just know all the encounters and have the right spells and classes on encounters you aren't supposed to know to ambush you
frickin disingenuous worm
so you knew about it in early access, where they switched a bunch of shit >WOW THE GAMES EASY BECAUSE I ALREADY BEAT IT BEFORE
you frickin moronic genius. go frickin eat dirt.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>the game should let me win even if I am ignoring broken items the game gives me
skill
issue
See those speed potions you let sit in your inventory? That are everywhere in Act 1? Use them, not using them is a skill issue.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>just know all the encounters and have the right spells
I mean if you've lost a fight already you have this info and you can prepare for it. but you can 100% beat the game entirely blind and without respeccing, you're just a baddy
9 months ago
Anonymous
You just are not good at this game, stop making excuses on fricking Ganker you loser.
9 months ago
Anonymous
The game is piss easy, even on tactician, past level 4. There are like half a dozen difficult fights. It feels difficult at the beginning, as you usually start in a bad position, are outnumbered and every enemy has several special arrows or special attacks. It's trivial easy, even without consumables or (ab)using environment. Not to mention killer combos like fume and fire or water and ice.
9 months ago
Anonymous
yeah I was watching a friend play in discord and the early game seems really rough, but you get so powerful pretty quickly that once you're up and going you can still sweep the game pretty easily. Though I guess for many this is their first taste of 5E so they probably don't know what the busted shit is
9 months ago
Anonymous
There are some trap choices in feats and spells, but all in all you can't really make a bad character.
>Paladin Avatar, Lae'zel, Shadowheart Tempest Cleric, Astarion Thief >dude, git gud, Tactician is easy mode. Just do what I do and you'll win every time
Im playing the game and im not going to free that prince whatever that is in Prism i accepted ilithid powers n shit adn evolved BUT now im not sure i accepted that lord of Baldurs Gate guy and im not sure if i should plant the bomb in factory and betray him in future so yea can anybody tell me if that guy betrays you in future after you kill that shapeshifting b***h ?
I've heard about act 3, funny enough, I'm in act 3 but just the very beginning of it. Should I continue playing the game all the way through or wait for the definitive version of the game? Yes, we're getting patch 2 soon, but I doubt the patch will have the cut content, considering if they added in the cut content to patch 2 then everyone would need to start a new game to implement the changes.
i dunno why someone talking about "act 3 is not good enough". no bugs for me, town is FRICKING HUGE, im playing act 3 like, 3 or 4 days already and there are so much to do.
Baldur's gate 3 is the biggest filter i have seen, you have literal 40 year old morons that have finished the game multiple times failling to grasp how the Astral Prism works because they have main character syndrome.
If Vlaakith herself can't use that shit why do you expect yourself to be able to use them.
its woke pozzed globohomosexual israelitery propaganda. fricking Black folk, asiatics and troons ruining my content with left wing liberalism. I'm tired of seeing coloreds telling me my whiteness is bad and eradicating my culture. ywnbaw
The intro to this game is kinda baffling, so I just said to myself, I'm just gonna do what I think I would realisitically do in this situation. Here's the moronation that followed >laezel says "the only chance you have of getting the worm out of your head is the creche" >fairenough.exe >get interrupted by a bunch of bullshit about druids and refugees >literally who the frick are you people >head for the creche >at the entrance to the zone, get warned that it's way beyond my level >what? >go in anyway, because I'm committed to the bit >get to the creche >somehow they all know I have the artefact? >laezel gets in the machine thing, blows it up >no way to progress without giving up the artefact, or going into a fight with really strong NPCs >decide, "okay realisiticallly, seeing as how this failed, I'll just go find Halsin, he's the next best bet" >warp back to the starting map >quest journal tells me Halsin is dead
>game warns you that you are entering a new act >you ignore the warning >you try to backtrack and find an NPC who was captured >he's dead since you left him behind
The game reacted to your choices, and you made really stupid ones. Did you actually think the githyanki had a cure after their knight told you they didn't?
>The creche has a cure. I know this because I read it a propaganda book once. Even though higher-ranking githyanki said this was a lie.
You decided to believe Lae'zel anyway. Skill issue. Your PC was too stupid and died, restart campaign and do not pass Go.
you wanted the game to hold your hand and prevent you from making bad decisions
At the mountain pass, he tells you there is no cure. Other githyanki scoff at you when Lae'zel says "protocol means I must be cured."
Unless you didn't even bring Lae'zel with you, which is another 0 INT move by your stupid PC if you were really gunning for the creche. You made bad choices and you failed your campaign. Try again
don't you want to NOT bring Lae'zel because she can eat some permanent stat decreases from the chair? and even if she does pass it, giving her the tadpole bonus actions is worthless because I don't think she'd ever agree to using the powers
>min/maxing around your disgusting tadpole powers >accepting any power even if it makes no RP sense for your character
You didn't beat Tactician. Ghaik
9 months ago
Anonymous
but I'm RPing as someone who is desperate for power and will accept any source of it regardless of downsides. you've never RP'd an idiot before in an RPG? it's good fun. >You didn't beat Tactician
I sure didn't because D&D with a super sweaty DM trying to kill me super hard is horrible
9 months ago
Anonymous
my character accepts everything if anyone says it will give me more power >crit the hag to death so she never offered me a deal
I put her in the chair and it gave my tav the roll to break the chair and gave me the awakening.
The stat decreases don't really matter if you keep her as a fighter, only the last one kinda matters since its a con debuff.
Why would you go and spread lies on Ganker? He tells you there is no cure if you let Lae'zel speak
9 months ago
Anonymous
Voss is MVP
9 months ago
Anonymous
But vlakaath says that they can be cured and there’s mutiple people that offer to cure it and can but it’s protected by the absloute magic voss is lying
9 months ago
Anonymous
>But vlakaath says that they can be cured
She lied to you. The machine in the creche is an execution device. Why would you trust her when she betrays you as soon as you meet her?
>voss is lying
He is not lying. The githyanki zha'thisk is an execution device.
9 months ago
Anonymous
He said there’s no way to remove it but plenty of people can
9 months ago
Anonymous
Isn't there more to it?
9 months ago
Anonymous
It analyzes the tadpole then kills you, but no. It's not more complicated to that.
Vlaakith regularly lies to her people, this isn't a surprise. Ascension is a lie. Any Gith above level 16 gets devoured by her and their soul feeds her Wish spells
9 months ago
Anonymous
Right, it analyzes it. After act 1 I skipped most dialogue and books, as its pretty bad. Likely it was way too much text for 19 writers. I'd rather have 1/10 of text, cutscenes, dialogues, etc but triple the quality. Even having sometimes 7 answers in a dialogue isn't worth it IMHO, as they usually branch to 2-3 different outcomes.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>a being lying about being a god would never lie about the usage of a device
9 months ago
Anonymous
I don't know what to tell you, I literally did not get this line. I reloaded the save twice now just to make double-sure.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, this convo branches in like 100 ways, does happen that you skip a line.
The game is horrible with FOMO-inducing synchronization of events.
>Going to camp and resting won't impact a quest >Except sometimes it will. And no, there's no way to tell when it will or won't.
At best there's a vague sense of "Don't sleep when the house is on fire [village on fire in act 1, gnomes behind rocks with nere]" but sometimes that doesn't apply and it's safe to
The worst, the absolute dogshit fricking worst, is the fricking ridiculousness of >If you go get the nightsong before you visit the moonrise towers you are punished
Because GOING TO GET THE MACGUFFIN TO KILL THE IMMORTAL NECROMANCER IS A BAD IDEA, NO, YOU SHOULD GO VISIT HIM FIRST
WHAT FRICKING moron CAME UP WITH THAT. I GUESS THE FELLOWSHIP SHOULD GO TO MORDOR BEFORE GOING TO THE SHIRE TO GET THE FRICKING RING, YEAH?
Yes, I get there's the "hurhur you can just spy on him and canvas the tower first" but just as easily they could have had Kethric or some of the other cultists recognize you from the all-seeing-eye and jump you as the traitor. In which case then you'd be mocked with "hurhur why did you go to the tower before getting the nightsong".
>min/maxing around your disgusting tadpole powers >accepting any power even if it makes no RP sense for your character
You didn't beat Tactician. Ghaik
At first I accepted the tadpole powers then I learned how OP the second phase is (When the game is already stupid easy on tactician by then) and yet how it doesn't actually impact your ending. Fricking Toddcore level lies.
During launch week they literally implied that taking tadpoles would have massive consequences. not to mention the cut upper city. I wonder what larian studios was like the week before launch lol probably just mass cuts and praying the game works
Yeah my enthusiasm with the game just became a steadily eroding collapse >Slowly at first, then all at once
the more I picked up the inconsistencies of Act 3. The level of cut content is obscene especially with fricking karlac. That's downright criminal. I get some later addition companion like jaheira (As much as I like her from BG1-2) or Halsin or Minthara having cut content, but one of the main cast from act 1? Really?
>Because GOING TO GET THE MACGUFFIN TO KILL THE IMMORTAL NECROMANCER IS A BAD IDEA,
the first visit to moonrise is to investigate shit, not to try to kill the immortal man. the cutscene with the goblins demonstrates this exactly, it also gives you a big pop up that the game state would move forward by going in there. you can't exactly do quests in the tower if the tower is under siege.
At no time was it conveyed that your first mission is to just investigate. It was that that was where the means to free yourself of the tadpole was, but it was also clear it was the danger zone. I didn't even see the goblin before I got to the end of shar's temple because >Clearly if I go into the lion's den without the macguffin my ass could be grass, so I will get it. Then I will go investigate the tower and
I simply did not expect the nightsong to be a "My IRL daddy didn't like me being a lesbian so I wrote in my OC donut steel lovers". Alright cool, that was an interesting surprise. I can roll with that. But I didn't like clearing shar's temple and then being told this vague FOMO inducing "are you sure you want to continue" and being left with >"What the frick am I supposed to do then?"
seethe more brainlet, maybe you should try reading the text in your game before clicking things so this exact shit doesn't happen again, eh?
Yeah that Black person isn't me, he's astroturfing. I'm pic related.
>At no time was it conveyed that your first mission is to just investigate
you're explicitly told to go there to investigate the worms and kethric's source of immortality I'm pretty sure.
(Samegay) It just does not flow naturally. >You meet Jaheira >You find out Kethric is the root of the shadowplague >You find out he's immortal >You are tasked with figuring out how to stop his immortality
He's the 'boss' of moonrise tower. So naturally how to stop the immortality is paramount. You can learn it by being a spy at his tower or you can learn it by investigating elsewhere. But then you get railroaded into >No, you must investigate the tower first
If that were the case then they should simply have locked access to the masouleum until you do the tower.
Or, you know, not punish people by killing off the prisoners if you do the nightsong first. I'm fine losing out on the tower quests but it's just plain "You didn't play the way I wanted to, now you are punished" incoherence with the prisoners.
>At no time was it conveyed that your first mission is to just investigate
you're explicitly told to go there to investigate the worms and kethric's source of immortality I'm pretty sure.
>kethric's source of immortality I'm pretty sure.
Right. Which you can uncover without going to the tower. You come across it in the masouleum.
The simple solution was not to fellate the aasimar and give her a billy badass moment without any control. At least give me a skill check where I can convince her to wait and go back to last light before blitzing ahead.
That's only half the problem. Larian is full of trolls who design encounters purposefully meant to frick you over before you even get to move your first character in the very first turn: Please see Trial of Bhaal in Act 3 for further reference. Or Raphael in same Act.
I remember them doing that with the last fight in DO2. >Game is predicated on strategic positioning and clever maneuvering >Forcibly warp all your characters you pre-positioned to the same spot, allowing sourcerer-jesus to run in first turn and spin2win the entire party down to quarter health before you're allowed to move.
Any other engagement prior to that gave you flexibility but then they pull pseudo-TPK style punishment
The game tells you the prisoners are in the tower. It even give you a quest marker. The game warns you that Nightsong is a point of no return. You ignored the warning. Skill issue.
you people want the game to hold your hand and have no consequences for your choices. you want all quests to never fail. even quest markers aren't enough for you
9 months ago
Anonymous
Ganker generally complains about the modern handholding of video games, but ends up needing it themselves because most of them are casuals.
>Right. Which you can uncover without going to the tower
of course but you have no way of knowing that. most baddies store important things they do not want falling into the hands of their enemies within their highly fortified bases, you see. I do agree that you should've been able to tell her to wait at the inn so you could initiate the siege yourself, but I'm also fine with a character not being beholden to you as the player.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>of course but you have no way of knowing that.
But I did though. I stumbled across the masouleum well before going to the tower as I was clearing the map before finishing it at the clear end-stage (the towers). I took out the drider, let the faerie go and got her blessing. I crossed north of the canal, took care of the house of healing and got the tiefling orphan with the druidic powers freed, then (or before that) I met raphael who told me about his enemy in the masoleum. Then I stumbled across Balthazar and learned the Nightsong was here.
Naturally I figured "I need protection in case Kethric sees through my disguise" so I cleared the temple - I had ever reason to believe what I was doing was fine. Then got hit with the wall of >No you didn't clear this the right way, you have to go back to the tower unless you want to suffer consequences
When I had to look up what happens with this paradigm shift. There's not a difference experience to failing to rescue the refugees - it's just a total quest failure. You don't get a new avenue opening up you get less of one because now they aren't in Act3. It's punishment for not going the way Larian wanted you to, but never told you to.
I don't mind losing quests - I failed halsin's by a sniper hitting the portal last turn, I took that on the chin and ran with it. But if Halsin's quest randomly decided to lock you out of shadowhearts then it would just be a failure to telegraph clearly, more butterfly effect than consistency.
Act 1 telegraphed it fine - it was clear why going on to the mountain pass would move the story along.
9 months ago
Anonymous
One of the henchmen if that devil Raphael wants you to kill is a trader, isn't he? How to trade trade with him?
9 months ago
Anonymous
>then it would just be a failure to telegraph clearly
ok but the game does in fact telegraph that going to save the nightsong will accelerate the game state.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Jaheira tells you to infiltrate Moonrise and learn more about the cult >literally nothing she tells you indicates Moonrise is the endpoint of Act 2 >assume it is anyway because um... uhh... um... >go off exploring and reach the actual point of no return that is explicitly spelled out to you >"heh i'll just ignore this, there's no way it'll cause any other quests to become uncompleteable"
i dunno you just sound like a dense fricking moron
>Because GOING TO GET THE MACGUFFIN TO KILL THE IMMORTAL NECROMANCER IS A BAD IDEA,
the first visit to moonrise is to investigate shit, not to try to kill the immortal man. the cutscene with the goblins demonstrates this exactly, it also gives you a big pop up that the game state would move forward by going in there. you can't exactly do quests in the tower if the tower is under siege.
>FOMO
I agree but bro trust me. Later on in Act 3 it is way too easy to break side quests by stumbling upon the wrong item at the wrong time. >Picking up the torch after finding the haunted house?
Congratulations! You just broke the painter quest! >Kill the necromancer before finding the painters house?
Congratualtions! You just broke the painter quest AND the Necronomicon quest! >Kill Orin before Gortash?
The game now thinks you've had a chance to talk to Gortash, and as a consequence end game events will begin and most side quests will be broken, with the exception of the steel factory quests.
He IS a level 12 Monk with massive stats. In a game that made monks actually kind of absurdly strong.
What PC could compare to princely wiener such as that? He's honestly complete shit as a monk npc, he's only remotely useful as a mindflayer and then they make him lose his monk abilities.
How did Todd fricking Howard get this right years ago and modern devs can't. >Mega god entity: "you will now become my champion" >Player: no thank u >Mega god entity: *Ominous dialog pointing to hidden consequences*
Making your players suffer your oc's having an overt influence on their journey is such a pathetic shit move.
On a narrative sense yeah, but considering that the player might be wanting to rp as something that opposes your Mega god entity it's better to allow the player to advance without having him recind his chosen role.
its a maze with only one path cant have people bypassing the devils bullshit nonono you need to let him grab you by the short hairs and force a deal in act3
>first playthrough was a Bard >breeze through Isobald Thorm >second playthrough is a Monk with not nearly as much persuasion or performance
Oh this feels bad.
do the zhentarim whatever frickers you give the pocket Spectator show up again later on?
on a replay and decided to give them the package, but the chucklefricks and dogs in the back were already hostile for some reason so i went to fight them, turns everyone else hostile and killed them.
This thread is the exact reason why you don't add Deity strong entities as active players in your narratives. The moment the players go against you super strong oc, you have two choices, you can accept it and move on or smiting the players for daring to go against your super special quest giver.
I don't think there's anything wrong with having godlike creatures in your game, there are ways to turn her down without getting nuked from orbit, just don't act like a massive butthole. it's not that you went against her, it was that you were a c**t while doing it.
You're like the rest of the morons in this thread that didn't actually pick the dialogue options that lead to Vlaakith killing you, or simply turned your fricking brain off at that moment and stopped paying attention >player character insults vlaakith explicitly >lae'zel warns them not to do that >vlaakith gets mad >player character does it again >vlaakith wishes you to death
She literally does not kill you because you "go against her," she kills you insulted her and she's a thin-skinned tyrant
Why doesn't the DM just give all the good shit to the fem players so he can bang them afterward? that's the problem with D&D, there's no way to make it fair
Alright, I'm never buying this game, but on the off chance someone gifts it to me (got some friends that keep shilling it), I have to know.
What's the route to killing as many annoying characters as possible and screwing the most amount of annoying Larian NPCs over, while getting away with it?
>Holding hands with The Emperor >Having sex with The Emperor >Becoming Half-Ilithid for The Emperor >Marrying The Emperor >Becoming a Mind Flayer for The Emperor >Raising little flayers with The Emperor >Ruling over Baldur's Gate from the shadows with The Emperor
all me
>talk shit at a level 26 lich >die
nice railroading homosexual, if this was an IRL campaign I'd have you laughed out of my house and break your fingers. try that shit on troonycord not in real life
pretty cruel of me, to make her do this while I refuse to touch the damn thing.
As a sidenote, do you think they keep some aspects of the transformation after the story? Or does burning away the worm make them fully lose the Ilithid changes inflicted upon their bodies?
The amount of times it does that shit is infuriating. Choose to kill Gale? Game over. Chose to refuse Valaak? Game over. Choose to kill Ketheric at the beginning of Act 2? Narrator gets mad and doesnt' want to let you push through. Tell Gale to blowhimself up? Game over. Kill the emperor? Game over.
ZzzzZZzzz
Wow, it's almost like making suicidal choices ends with game over. What next, you'll jump into a volcano and complain you've burned to death?
> Give player the choice to obey or disobey a Gith hag
> If you disobey you die
> If you obey you can keep playign the game
Why even pretend it's an RPG if it's just boring linear garbage? Might as well be watching god of war ragnarok the movie.
>choose to get uppity with a narcissistic level 20 wizard lapping as a god
>get killed
Truly who could've seen this coming?
Why does a lv20 wizard need our help in the first place
Because she's larping as a god moron and gods aren't able to freely intervene in the mortal world
"Yeah, sure I'll go in there"
>Leave as soon as she goes away without doing what she asks
>be a low level scrub
>insult a godlike being in her face
>she kills you with her mind powers
>NOOO, WHERE'S MY USUAL SLAP ON THE WRIST FROM MOMMY, HOW IS THAT AN RPG, THIS IS RAILROADING!!1
Railroading would be allowing you to survive your moronic decisions no matter what, because "we want the players to only experience positive feedback", you mongoloid. Your actions having logical consequences is the essence of a good storytelling. Go play a Ubisoft title if you want a game where everyone keeps kissing your ass and forgive you no matter what you do, because you clearly only played games designed to be pure gratification and you cannot fathom the concept of freedom to make bad decisions.
>why have choices in the first place
Because the game should allow you to make mistakes and face the consequences.
Beggars can't be choosers. You are literally his only asset.
The fact that you're not even allowed to fight Vlaakith raises a few CRPG red flags for me. Like, even though Final Fantasy is way shittier, at least you get to actually fight the bosses.
can't she just kill the entire party by imagining killing them?
Well I can sneak up and eldrich blast her off a ledge before she even sees me.
Yes. Questioning her godhood makes her cast wish to kill all of you.
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Then why doesn’t she cast wish on you in act 3 and steal the prism back
Because you're the only one who can enter the prism (thanks to the guardian) you frick
The same reason no one else in the setting doesn't just cast Wish to solve entire plot threads throughout the setting.
Because the writers are moronic manchildren?
Because Wish has many potentially terrible outcomes for you. Per 5E rules, just casting wish and using it for any other purpose than to replicate the effects of a 8th or lower level spell you get hit with a weakening debuff and you have a 33% chance of never being able to cast wish again. Then, your wish may take effect in unpredictable ways, which can be detrimental to you. The example that the book uses is transporting you to the future if you wish someone to die, removing yourself from the entire plotline.
So a wizard that goes around casting Wish willy-nilly will soon find himself unable to cast it ever again and likely fricks himself up in other ways in the process.
yeah, it's a moronicly big plot hole.
That's mainly the FR setting's problem after 50+ years of retconning and nonsense though.
It's why they've written the new 5e status quo to be Ao keeping all the other gods/demigods in line if they pull any stupid shit.
But then the gods still pull stupid shit all the time and Ao doesn't really care until they directly try to frick with him (like the Dead Three tried by stealing his tablets).
>It's why they've written the new 5e status quo to be Ao keeping all the other gods/demigods in line if they pull any stupid shit.
>But then the gods still pull stupid shit all the time and Ao doesn't really care until they directly try to frick with him (like the Dead Three tried by stealing his tablets).
None of these are 5e
That should only kill party members up to 100hp but Larian hacked the rules to make sure you can't disobey whaman.
That's Power Word Kill, moron.
Power Word cum in your ass, homosexual.
Wish doesn't really work for killing people, it's not supposed to be used that way, it never has, and even in 5e the spell description explains that wishing people dead will just lead to some monkey paw bullshit like sending you forward in time to when they've died of old age.
Wish works for whatever the DM wants because it's a shit fricking spell that should've been removed editions ago.
It's one of those spells that is exactly as good or shitty as your DM.
That description makes the spell sound like absolute dogshit that shouldn't be in the game at all. You're just proving that anon right.
What's the issue with it? That it's not deterministic? That it allows your DM to frick with you? Keep in mind you need to be a level 18 magic user to even cast it.
If a spell needs a discretion warning it's because it's the asspull spell, they should just call it Asspull instead of Wish because that's the only function it can possibly serve in a campaign.
It can be used reliably to remove serious curses and resurrect the dead beyond the power of normal resurrection, or unreliably to do pretty much everything else. Greedy wishes are suicidal so you'd never even try to cast one most of the time. Again, unless your DM sucks.
It can also be used to raise ability scores. But raising them above 16 takes 10 wishes per point. I think the biggest problem with Wish is people overestimating how powerful it is intended to be.
it's a suggestion. I made wish a divine spell in my campaigns and it's power is equal to the strength of the souls consumed in the casting. A player sacrificing their lvl 20 character would be able to almost wish for anything except killing upper divinities and erasing universe. sacrificing a thousand people would bring grant you a extremely powerful wish etc.
Wish is an excellent spell that can be used as a major plot point.
wait a minute but vlaakith wished me dead???
That's not 5E.
No. She wished you to end. And as anon (and the sourcebook) said, how Wish works is up to DM fiat. Swen is the DM here, and he said it works with no monkey's paw.
Isn't wish really demanding on the caster even if they're lv20 or something
Vlaakith uses lvl 15 gith as wish spell consumables so she can cast it with no effort.
>fight an ancient lich who has a nearly unlimited access to spells like Wish
>while on level 6
Hahaha! Oh wait, you're serious, let me laugh even harder.
>clearly evil b***h is clearly evil
>insecure homosexual goes 'REEEEEE, WOMEN BAD!'
Second verse same as the first.
Read
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I know that. Still many cases of railroading in bg3. She larps god, can wish you dead (Where's withers/your companions?), but she can't do so after you returned from the astral plane? Huh.
Whatever homosexual. Even fallout 4 gave better choices than this
>No choice I make should result in bad thing happening
kid, you are moronic. This is literally how D&D has always worked
>you get into an argument with the tavern owner
>the commotion draws the attention of a guard patrol
>they enter the tavern
>"What's going on here?"
>Player: Frick these guys! I draw my weapon!
>DM: A reminder, you are level 2 and these are trained guards, all CR 7 and above. You realize you are extremely unlikely to survive outright combat. Are you sure you draw your weapon?
>Player: YEAH!!! FRICK THESE GUYS!!
>DM: Ok....
>Hey look, the campaign just ended and it's your own fault
Unrelated, but your example is bad because guards suck fricking dick and can easily be killed by low level players
I mean, what's the fricking logic? Why would a normal town have swole as fricking powerful people in it? Guards are just normal people with a sword and good phisique
Any GM who makes guards into death squads are massive shitters
By that logic any player who metagames guards being "just normal people" has typical modern ttrpg ego-stroke syndrome, since that implies your PC is a speshual snoflayk.
>By that logic any player who metagames guards being "just normal people" has typical modern ttrpg ego-stroke syndrome, since that implies your PC is a speshual snoflayk.
not that anon but the comparison I like to use is someone active in the army, and a regular beat cop. why would someone who actively sees combat lose to someone who walks around a town every day
literally this. people want "choice" but get all pissy when their choices have consequences
a DM would just have that guy arrested, they wouldn't fricking end the campaign then and there. then it could turn into a prison break sequence
Reminds me of a tabletop experience where our dwarven fighter was always doing funny dumb fighter shit and got himself burned beyond ressurection spells by charging straight at a dragon.
The DM wanted to give him a second chance by putting him in front of his dwarven god in front of the proverbial pearly gates. The god offering him a chance to go back in honour of his courage but with demands on what he should do to earn it.
>nobody tells me what to do!
and he slapped the god in the face.
DM should have torn up his character sheet on the spot but was too pussyfoot and gave him yet another chance.
Based Larian for putting endings in the game.
>> If you disobey you die
Amazing RPG, the greatest game of all time.
The lich queen is probably the most egregious case but the game is filled with le stronk woman who treat you like shit and you're expected to just eat it.
The lizard bawd in your party, the snake b***h at the grove, the other druid b***h in the shadowlands, a million out of place nigress soldiers, bandit leaders, thieves, etc. It's probably the most obnoxious type of poz in the game.
DOS2 had a problem with every character acting like a snob, now BG3 has a similar problem but with abrasive c**ts. It's like Larian writes one character and then copypastes them all over the game.
>lizard bawd in your party
I put her in her place at every opportunity until she eventually started to like it.
>snake b***h at the grove
You can straight up murder this c**t.
>Jaheira in shadowlands
You can murder her too, but it'll be a pretty tough fight and is a decidedly evil action.
The game is pozzed for sure, but this aint it.
>You can straight up murder this c**t.
And insta-lose that faction and have to go with the goblins because it's not what you're "supposed" to do to advance the story.
>You can murder her too,
Unwinnable fight without cheats and you also insta-lose that entire faction. Another "option" that's awkwardly accommodated because you're not supposed to take it.
>Unwinnable fight without cheats
Lmaoing at you, chuddy. It's called Evard's Tactical Black person Dicks. The ultimate CC spell that has no target limit.
>And insta-lose that faction and have to go with the goblins because it's not what you're "supposed" to do to advance the story
Oust her as a Shadow Druid then kill her with validation.
>And insta-lose that faction and have to go with the goblins because it's not what you're "supposed" to do to advance the story.
Lol, you didn't lockpick her chest and find the missive from the shadow druids about their secret meeting place in the swamp and find the evidence needed to out her as a shadow druid so you could kill her with impunity.
I bet you didn't even trick the child into trying to run so the snake kills the child, either, because if you do AND you oust her as a shadow druid and convince her to redeem herself the tiefling kid's parents kill her during the celebration in your camp and you can put her corpse into your storage along with Gale's hand, the squirrel you gibbed, the bird you mangled, minthara's body, and every other grisly trophy from your adventures.
lmfao, unwinnable??? how the frick did you find the post button here
>side with the druids
>call her on her shit
>Halsin comes back and b***h slaps her down the ranks
wow fricking pozzed game forced me to kneel to her
I liked watching her get shanked by the parents. Kino.
>games shouldn't be allowed to present you bad choices that may get you killed for picking them
lmao just reload your save you pussy
>>Game gives me freedom
>YAAAAAAY
>>Game gives me freedom to make bad choices
>OMG NOOOOOOO
>HOW COULD THE GOVERNMENT LET THIS HAPPEN???? :~~*(
This whole thread is bait, but what would be the acceptable version of this? Obey or get some whole other questline?
>Obey or get some whole other questline?
In some cases it would've been nice if that happens, yeah. Not necessarily with the gith 'queen'.
Disobedience is dante must die mode.
he's misrepresenting the choices, you can agree, disagree, or be a rude c**t and get zapped for it.
>If you disobey you die
This isn't even true. I told her to her face that I'm going to disobey her, and she didn't give a shit.
You only get killed if you question her divinity.
Why give fake choices in the first place? Seems like a waste of money
Because a DM would do this, you just don’t see his looks of disappointment, or hear his repeated “are you sure you want to do this”
Only a shit DM would end the whole campaign off the one bad decision if just because there's 4 other buttholes who can also make the bad decision. The good DM lets you play out the consequences of your actions in a reasonable fashion so that you can understand the depths of your frick up and maybe fix some of it.
Ah, there you are. The homosexual nobody wants to play with.
I will ask again: when a dumb fricker says he jumps into an active volcano, should a good DM bother with keeping him alive? No, he made a clearly moronic choice and has to face the consequences.
A good DM is someone who will resolve a lost fight with players ending up as captives who may yet escape instead of having them immediately executed, not someone who constantly saves every moron from his moronic choices.
holy strawman batman
Hey homosexual the campaign doesn't end because one character dies you fricking dipshit. You tell him to roll up a new toon while the rest look on because THERE ARE 3-5 OTHER PEOPLE AT THE TABLE BESIDES HIM
In my experience, the campaign always ends when a troony gets offended at something dumb.
>THERE ARE 3-5 OTHER PEOPLE AT THE TABLE BESIDES HIM
Yes, and so the dead person is asked to leave the game. They can join the next adventure with a fresh character. This is standard DnD etiquette, unless your DM is a shit railroader, you fricking tourist.
Why would you not just roll up a new character immediately?
If they jump into a volcano with their character they were clearly done playing for the day.
>you can go left or right
>uhhh, I'll go left
>rocks fall, everyone dies
>then I'll go right I guess
>good choice
You must be a hoot to play with.
choosing a fork in the path and mocking a god like being who can nuke you from outer space are 2 very different scenarios anon.
>you can go left or right, but as you can see if you go left the rocks will fall and everyone will die
>Uhh, I guess I'll go right
>good choice you made, aren't you glad I'm not a railroading homosexual
Wow thanks man, good campaign
>rocks falling on you with no warning is the same thing as an in universe godlike being smiting you for insulting them twice for no reason, even warning you that insulting them is a bad idea after the first insult
if this was your silly cave scenario is that there are 3 ways, one is an agreeable path, one disagreeable and the 3rd a guaranteed death pit with glowing neon signs all over it saying "WARNING, DEATH AHEAD", with companions commenting that you shouldn't go that way when you decide to choose it
Honestly, past act 1 barely anyone comments on anything anymore.
you end up betraying Vlaakith anyway. In fact you betray her in the prism, mere seconds after you agree to cooperate, and her henchmen are instructed to kill you as soon as you come out regardless, so why doesn't she just kill you 5 minutes later? If she wants you dead she can apparently kill you at any time, and the railroading does nothing but break your suspension of disbelief.
A shit DM, sure. Their job is to prepare encounters and problems for the players, not solutions. If the players deviate then the DM has to follow along and prepare new situations based on what the players did.
In a perfect world, quests in BG3, would have all been like the grove defense/raid.
>Choose to blow up the world
>World blows up and everyone dies
>"Sorry guys, the entire world is gone. The game is over."
>"What the frick???? What do you mean the game is over?!?!"
have a nice day
Strawman much?
>Vlaakith herself orders you to kill astral prison guy
>Refuse
>Get killed
>Reload and accept
>Can't kill them even if you want
>Go back
>Vlaakith doesn't instantly kill you now even though you have refused/failed her and she doesn't have any use for you anyways
Nice RPG choices and consequences you have there bro. Next time try defending complete games that didn't butcher their narrative in the last dev cycle.
>Refuse
>Get killed
You need to pick the most insulting option twice in arow to get killed, refusing normally just gets the gith mad at you. Who's strawmanning here?
>BWAAAARGH I WILL BE OBEYED I AM YOUR KWEEEEEEEN
>nah frick you
>BWAAAAARGH YOU DON'T EVEN GET AN UNWINNABLE FIGHT, HERE IS A TEXT BOX SAYING THAT I AM YOUR KWEEEEEEEN
How about no?
>Dare a godlike being to their face to kill you.
>She kills you.
Wtf how could I have seen this coming?
everyone, which is why its a shit rpg
she only kills you if you act like a dick to her
I didnt accept it and she didnt kill the party. Most the Bullshit god powers in the universe requires stuff like visual contact
>nooooo you can't act like a dick to the womerino who has been shittalking you and treating you like trash the whole time!!
>if you do, the game designers will descend from heavens with their mighty text message to end your game and make you obey!!
Dear schizo, your obsession makes you miss the forest for the trees. You insult a godly being many times as strong as you in their face. It could have been Chad Megawiener, the Manly god of Alpha Masculinity and Plowing b***hes, but the end result would be the same.
>Vlakith shows up and demands we kill Oberon
>Detect thoughts
>She's lying to Lae'zel
>use tadpole to link minds with Lae'zel
>Lae'zel tells her off and demands we go save Oberon
>Don't die because I didn't suicidality mock a lich that uses Wish dozens of times an hour to try and achieve godhood
What's even dumber is vlaakith shows up again later and can be told to frick off then but this time it's ok no death consequence.
Vlaakith needs you alive to get inside of the prism. Her insta-killing you is literal villain hubris, because it fricks her over as well.
Sorry, the module only has the one path.
A good DM would be able to roll, pun unintended, with the changes. That's the beauty of pen & paper rpgs.
isnt this just the same as morrowind did with killable npcs? I don't see a problem here. Id rather more games give you the option to do things that might blow up in your face.
That was a great way to handle it.
In bg3 you can't persist in the world you created.
You can still complete Morrowind after killing Vivec. In BG3 you are forced to suck off the emperor's tentacles and listen to his whining until the very last moment.
why give the choice then lmao???? why is a suicidal choice to kill gale or valaak???
Spoilers to explain why this particular instance made me asshurt.
Emperor during Act 2
>We use Orpheos' power to resist the Brain.
Also Emps during Act 2
>If you do not help me we will be doomed!
Meanwhile..
>In Act 3 you can just choose to say "frick you" to the Emp and free Orpheos.
>The Emperor fricks off from the Astral prisim and leaves you there with Orpheous.
>Guess what? You're not falling under control of the Netherbrain.
So why the frick does that happen in Act 2?
Act 2
>Orpheus is the reason why we are able to resist the Netherbrain.
>Ok fine frick you, I'm freeing him and helping him fee his people and destroy the Chosen.
>Game Over.
Act 3
>Orpheus is the reason why we are able to resist the Netherbrain. So I will eat him so I can do that.
>Uh, no. Frick you, we're freeing Orpheus.
>Not Game Over.
Logic.
That's railroading for you
almost as if the fricking squid is a liar
so is the narrator apparently, who keeps trying to present his words as objective truth
either way, the fact this game over's you is one of the most glaring plot holes in the game
No you are just retarsd lmao, Vlaakith tells Lae'zel to kill the prince instead of asking for the Astral Prism the moment she figures out you managed to learn how to use the powers.
When that happens the writters were thinking you would be asking how the frick is this random mindflayer doing something that even Vlaakith could not but if you don't figure out that then the reveal of his Identity its whatever.
Maybe when morons finish the game and realize he does destroy the Nether Brain they will put two and two together and realize who really is the main character of the story.
The keywords there are "WITH Orpheus". Orpheus is the protection, and until you get the tools in act 3 to properly release him vs just instigating a jailbreak before you have them, he's like to kill you then. The Emperor never lied, he was guiding Orpheus' power to protect you until Orpheus is capable to make that choice himself in act 3.
Canonically-speaking, it's unlikely that Orpheus would give 2 fricks about you if events hadn't played out the way they did, so the Emperor did do you a favor even if you don't need him later, but to throw that favor away later on is a dick move.
You'd drown in lava before burning to death
>suicidal
fricking lmao, homosexual never played a dnd game
You can side with Orpheus in Act 3 but not in Act 2 for some reason? Just redirect all the energy that went into making all kind of irrelevant cutscenes with random NPCs and voiceovers for them into making some more Orpheus cutscenes for Act 2. Wow so hard.
In act 3 you actually have the means to free Orpheus you dense moron, siding with him in act 2 is meaningless and his honor guard will just kill you for being infected
Surely they weren't just trying to get to Orpheus without being able to free him lol
Emperor doesn't use the hammer to free him and eat him in Act 3 either if you side with him
Emperor takes the barrier down, but the infernal shackles that require the hammer to break stay on Orpheus
The Gith are complete morons and have been there for 5 thousand years, do you really think one more week would have finally free the prince
>Wow, it's almost like making suicidal choices ends with game over. What next, you'll jump into a volcano and complain you've burned to death?
/Thread
Kill kethric is game over?
That moron is complaining that the narrator tells you fighting him before you find the Nightsong, i.e. disable his invulnerability, is a bad idea and unwinnable
Topkek.
It would've been cool if you can join kethric somehow or if he can be killed or stopped without Nightsong. It feels a little railroaded. By far not the worst railroad in the game. If you take halsin to the grove, no one recognizer him.
So long as his life is tied to the nightsong, he can't die. He's bonded his life to an immortal curse, as long as the curse lives, he does. So if you fought him he'd just take 0 damage until he party wiped you
I was disappointed that it was impossible to knock him off the arena (his passive is always active) but pleasantly surprised to find the entire tower was perma aggro'd after I tried that murderhobo stunt.
>Choose to kill Gale? Game over
you can rip that guys hand off in the beginning of the game as dark urge
>Chose to refuse Valaak? Game over
this one annoyed me
>Choose to kill Ketheric at the beginning of Act 2?
this one doesn't bother me because Ketheric is immortal /w nightsong so it makes sense that you would just lose
>Tell Gale to blowhimself up? Game over
this one is just "bad ending" basically
>Kill the emperor? Game over.
this one also makes sense since he's protecting you
Gale blows up act 2?
>yeah, billion mind flayers, you fricked up
Gale ows up act 3
>hey yeah, awesome, you did it, mystra happy. Mindflayers all gone, thx b***h.
haven't beaten the game yet but it makes sense for act 2 to be an issue since the tadpoles would just complete their ceremorphosis
I'm in act 3 right now and I assume gale blowing up is less bad for a few potential reasons:
1. ceremorphosis has already occurred so you aren't the reason all those people die but you can at least stop the driving force behind the army
2. you gained control of the crown and are somehow able to kill all the tadpoles or something before killing the brain
if it's not one of these or something similar, than yea it might be a contradiction but I will watch all the endings and see for myself once I finish the game
>haven't beaten the game yet but it makes sense for act 2 to be an issue since the tadpoles would just complete their ceremorphosis
Not one indication in game.
Let's wait until act 3, shall we? There are a lot (teleporting) mind flayers.
Gale goes boom no crown.
Pls do. Don't expect anything, not even the amending slides being implemented. They are on yt though.
I know. First time I played act 2 I killed anything that moves, went to kethric... 0, 0, 0. Huh? Looked around his arena - nothing. Looked up wtf is going on; turns out, I never went north of house of healing.
Nightsong was initially a boss, instead of a dyke of the daughter of kethric.
>Chose to refuse Valaak? Game over
You mean Vlaaktih?
She is an incredibly powerful lich and you are low level shit when you meet her. You are suicidal if you refuse her. You are a little b***h with a fragile ego that can't put aside his pride.
>Kill emperor
Again, suicide. Incredibly stupid suicide since you are told over and over again that he is the only one protecting you until you free Orpheus. You are completely allowed to kill him before the final fight, but don't act surprised when you die.
>wahh why are there consequences for my moronic actions!!??
I refused to do Vlaakith's bidding and Im still alive. You just have to not pick the "you do it yourself" options, and get out of the astral plane or whatever it was called as soon as you enter.
>You are a little b***h with a fragile ego that can't put aside his pride.
Sounds more like you have your own personal hang ups. I wouldnt help Vlaakith like I wouldnt help Shar.
>unwilling to insult a false god
Smells like little b***h to me.
I did, but the second time you do it in the convo gets you a game over
Yes I was referring to Vlaakith but I was quoting the guy I was replying to who originally misspelled which, by the way, you misspelled it as well lmao
>insult powerful intergalactic lich that is the reigning tyrant of Interglactic Psychic Space pirates
>said lich gets mad
WTF WHY DID SHE KILL ME BROS
>this one also makes sense since he's protecting you
Wrong. Orpheus is the one protecting the player from inside the Prisim.
"Technically" it's both. Orpheus is imprisoned and is the source of the protection, while the Emperor is using/controlling/protecting that protection specifically /for your sake/. Orpheus is not protecting you, per se, any more than the Nightsong is protecting Ketheric; she's being used TO protect Ketheric.
When I got to Vlaakith I told her to frick off in every possible dialogue option but never got killed. To be fair, I DID bow to her initially, for Lae'zel's sake (not that I give a frick about Lae'zel, but wanted to start the convo on a stronger footing until I heard more), and then Vlaakith basically said "Whatever b***h here's the portal into the Prism even though you said you're not gonna kill him" so I literally walked away, quest advanced, talked to Lae'zel about it, then went back and entered anyways, talked to Guardian to smooth things over and no consequences. Unless there's another time you meet her before the Creche that I'm unaware of where she kills you.
I think this kinda highlights just how deep they went on potential outcomes of conversations though, if lots of people died to her but I never did.
You forgot: being mean to the gith stronk whaman kween? Game over without even an animation, just a textbox to tell you that you should bow to your kween.
Gale left my party because I didn't want to help him lol, am I screwed? Nothing happened after but I'm still on act 1
If he leaves you are fine. If you kill him then two days later his magical nuke goes off.
>Hey, you could tell Gale to blow himself up but it'll kill everyone in the immediate area
>okay
>*Gale blows up and kills everyone in the immediate area*
>WTF WHY?!
>in act 3 he offers to teleport the entire party to safety when he goes nova
>orb of invulnerability in case he couldn't
>neither of these work, just a game over
>Try to use a spell lower than level 10 against netherese bullshit
>Die
Oh no?!
Kek, does this actually count as beating the game?
If you blow up at the right time (when witnessing the 3 bads talk by the end of ch2) yes
The narrator says this is an ending, but not the one fate intended then it rolls credits. So yeah it's a proper end
There's an achievement for each of the major endings, and a separate cheevo for "finishing the game". Doing this gets one of the ending cheevos, but not the "you actually finished the game" cheevo. Also, as anon said, the narrator makes it clear this is not the ending fate had in store for you.
>get killed
>game over
WOW VIDEO GAMES ARE FRICKING SHIT WTF???
>Player, here's your choice:
>1. Jerk off my character.
>2. Play your own character.
>Picking 2 shuts down the game.
>it's totally not a pointless choice guys!
You can choose not to kneel and not promise to do her bidding, you just can't choose the options that are basically daring her to kill you.
>game gives me a choice to cast double fireball under my entire team
>game over
WTF?
i've killed everyone you mentioned and no, it doesn't end the game
you weebs sure are bored without xiv threads huh
no way
Instant game over choices exist in RPGs
how dare games give me consequences for my own actions
Bad ends used to be a staple of videogames, glad this one has a lot of them. Do stupid shit, face consequences.
So you just put them there because you're a vile spiteful troony that wants to force people into a boring linear story and be put through 1 hour long loading screen when thhey make a choice you don't like?
If you provoke a level 25 immortal lich you gotta expect they're going to kill your level 6 shitter
It really captures the feeling of playing the tabletop d&d with a really shitty DM.
>Chose to refuse Valaak?
You mean Vlaakith? You can refuse her, just don't insult her.
>Tell Gale to blowhimself up? Game over
Yeah, that's what a nuke tends to do, you fricking stupid c**t. What the frick did you expect?
>he can't saving throw a nuclear blast
psh casual
3d8 damage, save for half.
Enhanced Edition will fix it right?
Enhanced edition will add a gay spitroasting scene with the bear and the nig.
Also a brand new skin disease slider in the character creator.
Near one thousands fixes and counting
Enhanced edition will fugg more dudes lol
>chose to obey vlaakith and kill dream guardian
>guardian just says "it seems you can't be trusted"
>emperor still trusts me later on
I've played that yesterday and that entire part felt like a moronic fever dream with a noisy frog in the background
>commander: give me the thing
>"no" *splat*
>inquisitor: give me the thing
>"no" *splat*
>goddess: give me the thing
>"no"
>then you'll kill the person inside
>"no"
>well okay see you
wtf Larian
You should try giving them it
>give it to commander ow it burns my hand take it to inquisitor
>give it to inquisitor ow my hands show it to the queen
>go inside and kill what ever is in there
>kill the dream guardian
>inquisitor says laezel is a harlot and tries to kill us despite being loyal
>vlakaath shows up later in act 3 begging us to help her
>kill him to save the gith
>I get a bad ending
Choices matter oh btw by saving him he thinks you’re gay for him and tries to make you into his mindflayer femboy lover
my only complaint is that whenever i refuse to be manipulated to do shit in the name of the absolute i get attacked. it's obvious they want me to do their dirty work and i musnt refuse unless i wanna fight them. also why the frick am i not allowed to join ketheric. RPG???? more like cinematic railway game
Guys I need your help, I'm so fricking bored now that I'm done with bg3. Has anything come out in the last few weeks I can play? Romhacks, new cracks, anything please!
Replay through it 🙂
there's always AC6
ITT: unless the game allows me to drop the main plot, fly to a rabdom planet and start a giraffe soccer league there, it is railroaded.
It'a like a bunch of homosexuals are struggling with understanding what a little thing called 'plot' is and why they will always be at least a bit constrained by it.
I get that point, and I usually apply the same logic to other games, but BG3 literally sells itself on these choices, and prepares you to make them. But when the tensions are high, and you aren't just choosing options for inconsequential bullshit, it completely fails you every time.
The most annoying one to me, so far, was when I confronted Nere. I had been roleplaying, and my character was refusing to use their mindflayer powers, only to be slightly convinced, even if it's to infiltrate Gymforge. But the second this dude comes out and starts murdering slaves like a cartoon villain, my only two options are to help him with an evil grin, or turn into a paladin like "STOP OPPRESSING MUH homieS, NERE." There's no way to try and mind control him, or some tricky check to convince him, it's just fighting gnomes or fighting him. Not only is the game constantly railroading you into random 'surprise' encounters, but half the characters you have dialogue with are just unavoidably hostile or instakill you if you don't choose the exact options the writer wants. What's even the point?
Ok but we're talking about asking a drow to not be a psychopath. That's like asking a lion to be vegan. I know you're a dnd secondary but drow are literally incapable of being good. If anything it's based that you can't persuade nere, he's a drow and gnomes are insignificant to him. So yeah you either kill him or watch him kill gnomes. That's not rail roading.
If you saw a bear attack travelers you have 2 options, kill the bear or watch the bear. Even with animal speech you can't dissuade beasts when they're commited.
what about that drizzt fellow, I heard he was some kind of role model to some nerds back then
well drizzt was good. he was hore of some 30 boring books.
Was it really that many? You know, I read a number of Salvator's books since I like fantasy and had limited options at the time, but in hindsight a lot of the plots were something you'd expect in Fanfiction.net
I prefered Roger Zelazny's works to be honest.
couldn't you also turn viconia into a goody in BG2?
neutral at best
she's already neutral evil, you can turn her to True Neutral with the dick though
>goody
Just not evil. Viconia is NOT a good person.
>drow are literally incapable of being good
Incorrect, and a problematic mindset for a modern TTRPG, you chud.
Did you guys stop playing? she wasn’t talking about the guardian when she tells you to kill what’s in the prism
If this anon is complaining about clear dead ends, I don't think he's actually paying attention to the story.
Why would that matter? You can't get rid of either orpheus or the emperor
I still think I should be given a chance against every enemy in the game
>but the fight is impos-
You underestimate how many barrels I have.
>tricks you with a dream
>eat the bugs dude
>lol trust me
>whole fricking realm says illithids are soulless creatures
>shady undead guy we found in a crypt
>lol just trust him bros
>good job but eat the bugs lol
>nah
>well eat this superbug
>lol no
>fine I'll take it all for myself and totally not turn on you guys I swear
>also we can frick if you want
>homie u wat
>side with Orpheus
>he flies away
>Orpheus tells me we need a mindflayer to win
wow how convenient we just had one and he ditched us
>eat the bugs dude
Of course! How did I not realize it?
The whole game is trying to convince you to eat the bugs!
Now everything makes sense!
you can refuse all the illithid powers and crush the super tadpole in front of him
That doesn't count.
Honestly having Orpheus and Emperor on your side should have been an extremely convoluted hidden ending.
It quite literally makes 0 sense. Orpheus is shown to be more than willing to put aside his grievances for the greater good.
>The Emperor acts like a pouty little b***h baby and instead of even trying to stick around to see what happens just willingly runs back into being a thrall because... reasons...
>Unable to """betray""" The Emperor in Act 2 like you can in Act 3.. because.. reasons..
>All of the companions outside of Lae'zel, Shart, Astarion and Gale have 0 development past act 2.
>Betraying the grove and helping the Absolutists hard locks you out of some of the best vendors in the game. While you can access all of the vendors in the game by siding with the Grove.
>Orin's entire plan to betray the other chosen is so poorly planned and thought out. She could've easily killed Gortash any number of times she wanted. Instead she didn't and continued to send random changlings and cultists because... reasons...
>Kethric could've killed both Gortash and Orin while he had Dame Aylin prisoner, but he neglected to, despite the fact he was planning on it, because... reasons.
>The Netherbrain is omniscient and plans for every outcome, instead of just breaking free the instant the grip was weakend and using all of the tadpole'd absolutists to wreck shit, it sits back and allows the PC to gather their strength, because.. reasons.
It makes sense.
>>The Emperor acts like a pouty little b***h baby and instead of even trying to stick around to see what happens just willingly runs back into being a thrall because... reasons...
Because he was a thrall from the beginning you fricking moron holy shit pay attention
If you've seen the ending where you side with him you'd know that is just not true.
I think there is a lot wrong with the story but nearly all of these points are just straight up wrong or stupid.
>Unable to """betray""" The Emperor in Act 2 like you can in Act 3.. because.. reasons..
you literally don't know how to betray The Emperor, he has been dealing with the Githyanki in the artifact the entire time. All you know is that the Emperor is the one keeping you alive.
>Betraying the grove and helping the Absolutists hard locks you out of some of the best vendors in the game. While you can access all of the vendors in the game by siding with the Grove.
Evil routes have less content in nearly all CRPGs. This isn't even a real problem with the game, you decided to do something moronic when your only lead in the game was to find Halsin who knows something about curing you.
>Orin's entire plan to betray the other chosen is so poorly planned and thought out. She could've easily killed Gortash any number of times she wanted. Instead she didn't and continued to send random changlings and cultists because... reasons...
The very first intro scene of act 3 has Gortash telling Orin that they need to be careful or the Netherbrain would break free. Both of them need all three netherstones
>Kethric could've killed both Gortash and Orin while he had Dame Aylin prisoner, but he neglected to, despite the fact he was planning on it, because... reasons.
Being immortal doesn't mean you're more powerful than others.
>The Netherbrain is omniscient and plans for every outcome, instead of just breaking free the instant the grip was weakend and using all of the tadpole'd absolutists to wreck shit, it sits back and allows the PC to gather their strength, because.. reasons.
It's blatantly not that powerful. It's literally a slave to Ketheric, Orin, and Gortash. Even when its grip was weakened, it was struggling enough just to cause a bunch of small earthquakes every few hours. Beyond that, it's just... an elder brain. These aren't all powerful entities.
The elder brain was never a slave to the dead three. It was actually just pretending to be moronic anon. Spoilers in case you haven't beaten the game.
>you decided to do something moronic when your only lead in the game was to find Halsin who knows something about curing you
halsin is pretty much a dead end, taking your chances by infiltrating the absolutists who are obviously knee deep into this shit is a much smarter decision than siding with irrelevant tieflings and druids, and a more practical one since you won't have to face a fricking army on your own
just because the game is shit and you can retroactively dismiss the decision because it only cuts content without providing anything unique in return doesn't make the decision itself moronic
Your meta knowledge of the game being a game does not change the narrative of a character in that world not knowing who the frick the Absolute even IS at that point in the game, let alone how connected he is to your tadpole.
Regardless, the original anon's post stands: Act like an butthole and/or murder people, you can't be shocked when those people are no longer around to improve your life/gameplay. It makes sense in-world, not our fault that evil actions lead to consequences
>you literally don't know how to betray The Emperor, he has been dealing with the Githyanki in the artifact the entire time. All you know is that the Emperor is the one keeping you alive.
That doesn't change the fact you get a instant game over if you decide to not help him. Despite being able to do the exact same fricking thing in Act 3.
>Evil routes have less content in nearly all CRPGs. This isn't even a real problem with the game, you decided to do something moronic when your only lead in the game was to find Halsin who knows something about curing you.
Then why the frick would anyone even bother doing these routes when the rewards and narrative take a complete and total fricking nosedive? It's unfinished.
>It's blatantly not that powerful. It's literally a slave to Ketheric, Orin, and Gortash. Even when its grip was weakened, it was struggling enough just to cause a bunch of small earthquakes every few hours. Beyond that, it's just... an elder brain. These aren't all powerful entities.
If you've beaten the game and spoke with the Netherbrain you learn that this isn't true. It quite literally pulls an M. Night Shamalan and explains that he knew all of this bullshit would transpire.
>The very first intro scene of act 3 has Gortash telling Orin that they need to be careful or the Netherbrain would break free. Both of them need all three netherstones
Yet you can find Orin's assassin's outside of Gortash's personal quarters on top of Wrym Rock in Act 3. Which implies that instead of getting her hands on his Netherstone ASAP she would rather have an underling attempt to murder Gortash and bring it back to her? Even though she's had 2 (two) opportunities to kill him in person and take it?
>Being immortal doesn't mean you're more powerful than others.
Uh huh. What exactly are Gortash and Orin going to do about Kethric being immortal before we free the Nightsong? Nothing. When the play attacks him in his boss fight he is invulnerable and immune. It's moronic.
Oh yeah and also, how the frick does Orpheus turn into a Mind flayer while not having a tadpole, and how is he capable of resisting the Netherbrain after enduring ceremorphis?
Notthing changes the points I made in my previous post by the way. The game is rushed as frick near the end, there are waay too many importantly story beats the game needs you to hit and interact with in a specific way to progress.
I believe Orin and Gortash have some sort of oath that they can't kill each other directly, which is why they send underlings to do it. Don't remember the specifics.
>even though she had two chances to kill him
She tells you that Gortash had her swear a divine oath that she wouldn't kill him when she swipes one of your party members
I concede. Was unaware of this.
Everything else stands. Except for the Kethric bit because I assume it's the same reason for him as well.
>how the frick does Orpheus turn into a Mind flayer while not having a tadpole
Probably the same way the Netherbrain instakills Gortash if you went that route: powers as the plot demands.
The script completely falls apart in act 3.
Unfortunately, yeah. Is the emperor ending explained? Made a second playthrough with companions, but they are pretty much silent in most of act 3, esp at the end. Iirc even in dos2 the companions had a line each after the final fight.
morons baiting don't even realize it's not refusing to follow vlaakith's order to hand the artifact over/kill the person dwelling inside it that gets your party instakilled, but shit talking her and downplaying her "godhood"
You absolutely can go through the entire encounter refusing outright to follow her orders without getting a game over if you're not moronic
>be a dickhead to most people the whole game
>get to this b***h
>kneel and blah blah blah
>frick you
>WHAT NO FRICK YOUUUUUUUUUU
>FRICK YOU SUCK MY DICK YOU STUPID BI-
>*game over*
I laughed
Why couldn't we just free Orpheus and then we all stop the Netherbrain together? Why does he get pissy and switch sides?
Probably because Orpheus can sort of tolerate your party but definitely not the Emperor himself. It's still completely nonsensical how he rides in on the final battle on the mind controlled dragon though.
SEX WITH THE EMPEROR
We got a sex scene with Squidward over a goblin romance
Good. He’s unironically the best male romance in the game.
>no marvel tier voicelines
>does his best to build trust after catfishing you
>hot
its really that simple
Imagine contracting a japanese artist to create a doujin mindraping a male PC into his feminine twink bottom b***h mindflayer?
Tags: Anal, tentacles, feminization, guro, mindbreak, rape
>wtf you don’t want to sleep with me I could make you my slave you know also eat tadpoles or I’ll force you too
what the hell larian
>tfw no possessive tentacle bf
Emperor best boy and husbando
Its really funny that the emperor is effectively just a dude who really wants someone to join him because he's lonely and larps really really hard.
it's funny how he has an incel meltdown and yet tons of people still really want to frick him.
god I wish he would
Old dialogue IMHO. If you are good to him, he's good to you and vice versa. In the daisy cut he was the mythological ruler of the mindflayers.
His incelness and clingyness to PC makes him even cuter to me
>get to this part
>he admits that he lied about his relationship with stelmane and just mindcontrolled her the entire time
Just about everything this guy says is a lie. Why would you ever trust him?
because he genuinely unironically likes you for some reason
>Why would you ever trust him?
If you don't pay attention, a lot of what he says lines up with the truth.
I think he rarely outright lies to you, but a lot it are halftruths.
Orpheus is probably the best example
>indeed sees you as abomination
>thinks you just should've let his honorguard kill you
but Orpheus knows what's at stake and teams up with you and doesn't kill you.
I can fix him
I'd rather sex with the empress
What is it with leftoids and c**t queens screaming "boooow to your queen!" and shit like that at you?
It's Ragnarok's Freya all over again.
Do they have some kind of humiliation fantasy or something?
No monarch who wants to keep their head would act like that. Only the most fricktarded short-lived rulers ever had that shitty attitude and they are universally considered irredeemable villains, oh but when a woman does it you better kneel and she's not bad she just stronk.
Frick off with that shit.
You feel threatened by a fictional female. A fictional female alien lich. You should revaluate your life.
You feel threatened when someone doesn't like your shitty writing.
>no u
What a poet you are to respond with a retort comparable to your dick: small, unimportant and impossible to be taken seriously.
>game reveals she's actually afraid of Orpheus and The Emperor because they know she and all the Vlaakiths before her lied to the Githyanki people, brainwashed, and subjugated them for a gorillion years
>she is literally using her authority to cling to power, in reality she's just an insecure despot
>"ummm.... she told me to bow??? fricking leftoid liberal writing"
>she is literally using her authority to cling to power, in reality she's just an insecure despot
So she's literally a leftist.
No wonder they defend her so much.
Nobody is defending her you dumb frick. She's an evil demi-god and the game fricking screams that in your face.
Because you're the only one who can enter the prism. She kills you the first time only because you explicitly insult her godhood and she irrationally lashes out. But she needs you to enter the prism and kill The Emperor and Orpheus
??? she owns the prism, she can do whatever the frick she wants
She literally can't do anything she wants.
She isn't physically there and can't get her hands on the artifact, so she has to rely on other gith to do it for her.
She also isn't an actual god and won't be until she kills Orpheus. Every Vlaakith before her has been trying to hunt down and kill Orpheus so they ascend to godhood and control the Gith unopposed.
You also find out in Act 3 that she doesn't realize that you're the only who can enter the prism because of The Emperor, so she stops trying to send Gith after you and tries to strike another bargain with you.
>in Act 3 that she doesn't realize that you're the only who can enter the prism
This is an argument in favor of murdering you in the creche. She has zero reason not to and she shouldn't wait to be insulted. It's completely out of character for her to even strike a conversation when murdering your whole party from a different plane of existence is an option.
You're not realizing that when she kills your entire party, she is casting Wish on you. Rationally, she does not want to burn Wish on dumb shit like that because she's been casting it for hundreds of years to try and become an actual god. She only casts it on you when you piss her off really badly.
>dumb shit like that
Retrieving the astral prism is her only motivator for even being in the fricking game you nonce. Also, she casts wish for breakfast in the morning because there's no shortage of moronic Black person tier githyanki to fuel her.
But she also needs you to enter the prism in order to kill The Emperor and Orpheus. Because both are threats to her rule and therefore would cut off her supply of Gith fuel for her wish casts. Casting wish to murder you just fricks her over because The Emperor is preventing anyone but you from entering the prism
>But she also needs you to enter the prism in order to kill The Emperor and Orpheus.
No, she doesn't. She just needs to have control of the prism. Which is exactly what she was doing prior to the events of the game. Which is why Jenevelle was tasked with stealing it from her in the first fricking place. You would know all of this if you didn't skip every cutscene.
>Because you're the only one who can enter the prism.
this isn't an argument considering Orpheus' honorguard found the real location of the prism and almost won the fight before we intervene. She has a primary interest in controlling the prism first and foremost, and killing Orpheus second. By killing us while we're in the creche and letting them return the prism, she has succeeded and is now no longer on a time limit for killing Orpheus.
tldr: you're a moronic Black person
5e only has one vlaakith. She send gith to hells. In daisy cut Raphael played a role in imprisoning orpheus in that infernal iron prison.
>make a rule system
>fill it with bullshit asspulls and everything-proof shields that ignore all the rules you established
>all to prop up your pet self-insert characters
It's a poorly written unfinished troony game.
Are people actually mad about the Vlaakith game over?
She's a literal fricking demi-god, instantly killing you is effortless for anyone on that power level.
ok then why doesn't she instantly take the prism once you enter the creche, that would be a more reasonable game over
Quasi deity IMHO, not more than Nightsong.
Imagine Gankereddit's seeth once BG3 becomes GOTY.
>oh wow the ONLY crpg ever made in the last 10 years won the Game of the YEAr Award hooololy shit geoff keighley do a handstand real quick
Look at you go, already seething.
>reach the end of the game and agree to turn into a mindflayer to save the githyanki and Orpheus.
>vampire runs away in pain from the sun while everyone laughs at him
>karlach screams and explodes
>laezel says I’m a liberator and dumps me cucking me for orpheus
>I live in the sewers alone forever
Fix the endings this was just depressing
I warned you about eating ZE BUGS, bro.
if only you turned karlach into a mindflayer
she end up pretty happy
It's not Karlach anymore. It's just a tadpole with her memories. The real Karlach's soul gets either consumed or flies off into her afterlife.
so its like a clone of her that doesnt know she is a clone...
Thats karlach enough to me
The parasites that you are using for the transformation is different, and seemingly no one loses their soul from using it.
>live for your heckin ideals to the end
>get dabbed on
Game sounds based
I got this the first time. It's the official cuck ending. Should have taken the crown for myself
>make dumb, cucked choices
>receive dumb, cucked consequences
skill issue
Pic related was the biggest railroad in the entire game.
You and your party are pursuing Ketheric, who you just shitstomped in combat.
You finally find him, evil monologuing with the other two big villains of the story.
Despite being literally 5 feet away from them, you cannot talk or engage with the villains in anyway as they monologue, enact their magical ritual, and then teleport away.
It gets even FUNNIER if Wyll and Karlach are in your party.
Gortrash LITERALLY sold out Karlach and sent her to hell, and yet she just stands there silently glaring at the dude (despite being a literal Barbarian). And Wyll literally watches as they torture his father, and then shove a brain eating parasites into his brain.
The narrative dissonance in this scene was so great, that I couldn't even take the plot seriously anymore for the rest of the game
dude on the right looks like the KINO frontman
Yeah because even a fricking moron knows to maybe not mess with two other people who might be on the same level as the guy you just fought who was not that easy, are surrounded with illithids AND a fricking elder brain
The scene is stupid but c'mon even a fricking moron wouldn't jump in
>Yeah because even a fricking moron knows to maybe not mess with two other people who might be on the same level as the guy you just fought who was not that easy,
We just beat Kethric solo. The harpers did NOT help us.
>are surrounded with illithids
are jobber tier at this point in the story
>a fricking elder brain
literally does nothing
The fight would've come close but Tav and co could have EASILY won at that stage in the story. They could even free the Angel to help them.
>b-but Tav wasn't strong enough
Storywise, you're the exact same power level in this fight and in the last fight
>Storywise, you're the exact same power level in this fight and in the last fight
No you aren't.
Not against three of them and not with the elder brain and not with 100s of mindflayers.
You can't beat that even in game without cheats. You can't fend of 100s of characters even with low initiative rolls and basically having them puppetted by a necromancer if they die.
Like even by some literal divine intervention you manage to defeat 100s of mindflayers ketheric is just gonna lob their reanimated corpses at you while Orin shreds you a new one and gortash just poisons you.
>a fricking elder brain
>literally does nothing
Yeah that's even more scary moron, elder brains are already capable of knowing you were just there through their magic bullshit but it's not deleting you and that's suspicious as frick
Tbf the brain bets on you killing kethric.
>Battle the Dead Three's chosen disciples all at the same time with Illithid support.
>Somehow manage to scrape together a win.
>Immediately get obliterated by the now-unchained Elder Brain.
Would never happen if the stones would function as advertised.
>The narrative dissonance in this scene was so great, that I couldn't even take the plot seriously anymore for the rest of the game
God, do you read the stuff you write?
All of your complaints are literally handled in the scenes themselves through dialog.
Not attacking the trio is the most sane option. Without gale detonating himself you have no power to rival three chose of the dead three.
Not to mention constant barrages by the elder brain and the fricking 100s of mindflayers still haning around.
so the one time it made sense to have a moronic larian-esque reddit game-over option we don't get it? ok then
Say either Karlach or Wyll speaks up.
Now you have to fight the Chosen three at the same time alongside the Elder Brain they control, which is effectively a suicide option.
You can even tell Gale to blow himself up to end it right there.
Granted, that ending is stupid, but gets the point across that there's no chance of winning this fight.
The more glaring thing is that Gortash and Orin just frick off because
>more pressing matters
if that Prism is that relevant *and* the player's party must be in the area,at least Gortash should be smart enough to figure out that this is their #1 priority.
Not leave it to the guy that already lost once to the player party.
>and then teleport away.
Writing villains who teleport away should carry the death penalty.
God I fricking hate that trope and it's everywhere.
To be fair it's illithids and an elder brain, known dimension hoppers. It is an important part of their lore
That's a reason the game pittered out for me after act 2. I felt like I had the full arc with Kethric. These two jackasses showing up and I'm immediately thrown into supposing to give a shit about them. Kethric had an entire act to himself and then tweedle dumb and tweedle dee have to share an act with Elder brain/emperor/Orpheus/Vlaakith/raphael. The endgame is way too saturated with villains, while act 1 is utterly devoid of anyone of consequence.
You wanna know trash with grymforge?
>Oath of the ancients
>Oh these druegar are evil industrial slavers. Imma frick em up
>Lose your oath for attacking them before Nere gets rescued
No fricking issues attacking anyone in the goblin camp unprovoked, my oath was fine there. But attacking industrial slavers and my oath gets broken? homie please.
>But attacking industrial slavers and my oath gets broken?
It's a naturally part of life that dusty skinned manlets be enslaved by taller, better built manlets.
god i wish i could frick orin...
uh.... bro? Not cool. That's your sister.
out of 10.
Look bro. I'm gonna be honest with you. Regardless of her disposition she is a moron. She probably also smells like shit.
Go for another psycho wife. Preferably one who will at least spare you her wrath and value you.
Isnt orin a doppelganger
She's a changeling.
If karlach dies does zariel get her soul
ye unless she turns into a mindlfayer cuz her soul would get erased
What do I roll for my spaghetti western redemption arc half-orc Dark Urge?
I'm tempted to go Ranger/Rogue but I'll probably end up using bows/crossbows with that which seems like a waste of the half-orc crit damage trait.
the half orc crit isn't that good on rogue weapons so it doesn't really matter, it doesn't apply to sneak attack either
double hand crossbow rogue is very strong though, it should work with anything so just play whatever you want, this game is baby tier casual. I recommend Thief/Hunter, Thief/Battlemaster, Thief/Champion (to stack crit chance) or pure thief
How can you turn Karlach into a mindflayer? I'm at the point where I'm going to the House of Hope and I haven't eaten ANY tadpoles on anyone, but I accepted to hold the astral tadpole in my inventory just in case.
Just have her in your party, I never used her but it’s the best ending since you can save Orpheus and not become a mindflayer.
>500 employees working for years off an already made engine made something with less options than your average premade module people sell for a couple bucks
TTRPGs aren't CRPGs, Timmy.
They made an RPG?
I thought it was a linear VN outside of gays coming onto you towards the start.
You sound fat and bitter.
This coming from a Larian fan"girl" is hilarious.
I outlift you. What's your benchpress 1RM?
Lifting hamburgers doesn't count as lifting, just like taking hormones and cutting off your dick doesn't count as being a woman.
Stop thinking about my fat wiener and tell me your 1RM. You got time to b***h about Larian mogging your ISOslop codexcore troony-approved boomer RPGs, you got time to tell me how much of a weakling you are IRL.
Tbf they worked on the engine a lot in the past 6y. Compare patch 1 to release.
So how do you get the prism if you just let shadowheart stay in the pod
the narrative gives it to you anyways because this is the best written game of all time!
realistically your character should just die and the game should swap to being a shadowheart origin playthrough.
You'll find her failing to break an unbreakable door with her mace. She survives.
The question: Is can you leave her passed out on the beach without taking the relic?
You find her in the Druid Grove afterwards. No idea what happens if you still don't recruit her there though. I assume the Prism goes to you no matter what because the Emperor needs to execute his plan and Shadowheart is a moron. Even if you try your best to make Shadowheart keep the relic, the relic eventually goes to your main character's inventory.
>Even if you try your best to make Shadowheart keep the relic, the relic eventually goes to your main character's inventory.
This became a game for me, "how long could I keep it in her inventory?" I failed at the creche.
Then I failed "how long can I keep her from blabbing about being a sharran" until the shadowfell. She even had a "I'm surprised you never figured it out" comment towards me, wish there was an option to say you just didn't want to press the issue or something similar.
>play morrowind
>NEED to collect the McGuffin or you can't kill a god
>Oh my god railroad!
Theres a million games that require a sacred McGuffin. The frick are you going on about.
Why are you (You)ing me? I just tested how far the reactivity went.
Prism appears in act 2 in your belongings and Sh vanishes.
They wrote themselves into a corner so just casted Wish for that instead of a TPK.
enlighten me on how to make barbarian fun? What multiclass options should I consider?
wildheart bear or eagle
Barb/Thief with Tavern Brawler feat. You steamroll the entire game just raging and throwing shit 4 times a turn. Throw the returning pike or legendary trident that automatically come back to your hand, or throw enemies at eachother, or heavy shit like barrels you keep in your inventory then have a party member blow them up with a fire cantrip.
How useful is this in Act 2 and 3?
As I said, it breaks the game. Especially with Haste/Potion of Speed. Averaging 400 damage per round in endgame because there's so many fricking items that boost throw damage on top of Tavern Brawler.
Alright. so can I expect to start with Thief,, get to level 3, then barb the rest of the way after respeccing my dex to strength?
Nah you start Barb, go to 5 for extra attack then Thief 4, and finish with another Barbarian level and Fighter 2 for action surge.
>multiclassing
you didn't beat the game
interesting. I'll keep that in mind for my next playthrough anon.
Honestly, if you want any challenge, don't use haste or other op things. I had as self imposed rule consumable per long rest.
Barb goes well with any martial. You could go 2 fighter, 4 barb, 2 pal, 4 thief.
What would this let me do?
Paladin can smite, thief gives bonus action (god mode on), fighter gives action surge and fighting style, barb rage (50% less phys damage) and reckless attack (double chance to hit roughly). You could skip paladin for ranger (fire resistance).
Or I could just be Karlach, have free smites and fire resistence and just class into Thief, Fighter, Barb and actually have some feat choices before endgame.
Personally I'm playing monk, barb, thief. Monk is ridiculously op. I also use a mod that gives you feats every 2 levels, as I find it disturbing that trash mobs half your level have double your stats.
>sIop
>sIop
>sIop
>sIop
>sIop
>slop
>slop
>slop
>slop
>slop
What are you a fricking dog
a little fricking mutt
How did vlakaath track the emperor down in baldurs gate? Gith we’re doing some weird summoning ritual in his home.
Vlaakith goes from almighty or useless depending on plot convenience and how much the writers want to prop her up in the player's presence.
She's not presented as almighty. If you insult her she has a tantrum and wastes a wish to kill you, which in turn fricks her over. She also literally cannot get the astral prism without using loyal Gith to do it for her.
Wulbren is funny
>Baldur's Gate has fallen, billions must die!
I don't hate that this exists as a stupid meme or otherwise, but damn it's weird, there's not enough leading up to it for him to come on that strongly with his no shirt having ass, you talk to him a couple times while some marvel battle happens at skull planet in the background, already tried to get you to transform. Sorry bro I don't want to what if we kissed inside the d20
>Agree to frick Will Smith's devil b***h
>Before going to camp I visited the Emperors cuck shed and sifted through his crap
>Go to sleep hoping for the sex scene
>Fade into dreamland with this shirtless moron trying to suck my dick
>Tell him to frick off
>Wake up and immediately try to long rest again to get the sex scene
>No scene plays just a regular sleep
FRICK THAT homosexual AND FRICK THIS GAY ASS GAME
lmao same thing happened to my friend but it was a lae'zel scene that he got cucked out of
lmfao
While we are at it another thing that annoyed me
>Go to brothel
>Boss lady gives a quest to find out what happened to her hoe
>Find her dead body
>Reward is a free one-time voucher for use on drow twins
>"Alrighty"
>Choose to use on the sister
>Tells me to follow her to the room
>Have to actually follow her while she takes her time walking to the room which is a long ass way aways
>After the 5 minute slow walk to room, she gets pissy at me for having my party there with me - says she's not down for getting a train run on her
>Have to ungroup and manually move the party out of the room
>Finally time for the reward
>She turns the lights off and it is literally just a few lines of dialog on a black screen
Lazy FRICKS
Funny thing is, if you pick the male twin you get an actual sex scene.
You have got to be kidding me. What about choosing both?
To the surprise of no one. Whenever a fetish is involved it ALWAYS features a man.
>goblin wants his foot licked
A male goblin
>evil cleric wants to whip you S&M style
A male cleric
>raphael's fricktoy wants to bang you
His original form is male
>the emperor's voice
male
Really makes you think.
ok, this is going to sound crazy. but what if larian is trying to push gay shit on the player?
they're not trying to. they're just all naturally homosexuals.
Eh, they gave most of the female cast pubes, can' t be mad at them.
The sex stuff where handled by "intimacy co-ordinators" who Iam assuming are women. This is why the gay shit gets so much love.
Hitler should have finished the job
This is incorrect, they're both fade to black, Ganker once again loves falling for bait.
This pissed me off, too. I even went in with Gale as my romance option so it was a 2v2 orgy and all I got was some (admittedly funny) text about Gale going to sit down in a chair and watch while his Astral Projection did all the work.
Am I doing Durge correctly?
Where's your Gale's Hand, Karlach's Head and Alfira/Quil's body?
how do i take karlachs head im in act 3 i missed it surely. whats the next best way to torture her
I didn't think about collecting at the time and those trophies are lost to me.
Minthara also hates NGOs, groups like the Harpers, etc. But also loves deception, stabbing people in the back to get ahead, Machiavellian means justify the ends, etc. She hates Shar worshipers for being self indulgent but was once a proud noble of and advocate for Lolth society. Not sure if this is due to the cut content or not, but to make matters worse, the bread and butter of her interactions with Dyrge/Tav amount to her commenting on companions that's just shy of some writer attempting to shoehorn in his meta-observations about the D&D universe via character proxy...almost like a certain character in KotOR 2. Which brings to the comparison I made earlier.
Kreia was the personification of a black hole in KotOR 2. A singularity from which no other things or characters could escape. She was the beginning and the end. She was the author of people's past, present, and futures. She was the narrator, the watcher, the soothsayer, the shadow at the protagonist's back, the light guiding the way, the villain, the supplanting protagonist, (in some cases the wiener blocker), and was basically the one and only source of all the subversion and deconstructionism that I so heavily despised in that sequel.
Now, Minthara is nowhere near that level of obnoxiousness. But I found her dialogue option of commenting on every single companion to be reminiscent of Kreia's interactions with KotOR 2's protag. Almost as if she presumes she's wizened enough to make such observations on everyone. Who does this b***h she think is, Ao?
Basically, I was heavily intrigued by this character in EA, and I spent over 400 hours in that nonsense. But the more time I spent with her in the full game, the more and more I became disappointed with her. She's a hodgepodge of conflicting traits, ideas, and concepts. Winning her approval sucks, and with some of her content supposedly patched, she still barely works. Should have just been able to frick the half orc
>advocate for Lolth society
nah she mentions she no longer follows the spider queen if you speak to her about laezel as a drow
keywords there being "no longer"
Only reason she refuses to go back to Medzarazaibnabgsiododg go frick yourself if you think I am going to attempt to spell that word ever again, is because she knows if she does, she'll be killed on sight for having a tadpole raped into her eye socket.
Very interesting, Minthara best girl.
>dude i hate Black folk
>types like an ESL Black person
every fricking time
Doesn't matter, you still gave them money
You know BG3 is good because every thread on Ganker has to pretend to be a negative shitpost but then you scroll to the bottom and it's just people talking about the game.
It has good and bad qualities which is why people argue
>he deleted it
What a homosexual.
>he reported it to the jannies like a butthurt homosexual
>pretends anon deleted it himself
Didn't report shit. I'd never want a moron to stop outing himself as a clown.
Some of us can see the logs you know.
Believe it or not several people browse Gankereddit.
Someone in this thread is earnestly saying this game is leftoid propaganda because an evil character is a powerful woman. Cmon now lol
I heard this game doesn't work on AMD cards? I have one and uninstalled after a good several hours due to 5+ minute asset pop ins and terrible load times even on low settings. Really tried to play the game and it just wouldn't work, my computer ought to be able to run it
The game doesn't work. Just wait a year for definitive. It'll definitively be a game.
frick lmao that'll probably be another $60 won't it. So everyone's experience is that it's crazy buggy? For me every asset but the ground underlayer just wouldn't load for 1-5 minutes, it just was unplayable
>For me every asset but the ground underlayer just wouldn't load for 1-5 minutes, it just was unplayable
the requirements state you need an SSD
Yeah maybe I'll reinstall into a better location
>frick lmao that'll probably be another $60 won't it
if we're basing it on DoS2, then no, its just a free update for owners
I have a Radeon RX 6950 XT and it worked perfectly fine for me. Had some black boxes stuttering during certain cutscenes, but I think that was Vulkan issue.
>I heard this game doesn't work on AMD cards?
No, AMD cards do not work on the game.
To be more specific, AMD cards just don't work.
Get a real job so you can buy a real GPU.
my SteamDeck disagrees
This fricking game runs on ultra 80fps with my rx5600 but armored core can't run on low without it stuttering. Nothing makes any sense.
BG3 is CPU heavy, but needs only 8GB ram. AC6 is light on the CPU and GPU, but needs 16GB ram.
>you have different choices!!!
>in who you want to frick
coomer slop
Dragonborn Dyrge's "wave" to Vlaakith has got to be the single most smug yet simultaneously adorable thing I've ever witnessed. kawaii as frick my homie
Ao sworn Paladin subclass fricking when?
>hope to god Larian could actually design good combat encounters that rewards positioning without turning it into a teleport fest like in OS2
>misty step misty step misty step misty step misty step misty step misty step
That's only half the problem. Larian is full of trolls who design encounters purposefully meant to frick you over before you even get to move your first character in the very first turn: Please see Trial of Bhaal in Act 3 for further reference. Or Raphael in same Act.
Encountered this in Act 1 when I found a guy screaming for help from Gnolls. The second I said okay my party got ambushed with Gnolls who had the high ground.
>when I found a guy screaming for help from Gnolls
that guy is hands down the most moronic npc in the game, it's a miracle he didn't die.
The forced positioning of Hope to get immediately gangbanged was pretty bullshit.
shit man, look at the frickin act1 trip to the mountain pass with the githyanki gang
lets give them all misty step and action surge because no would touch these frickers if we didn't give them racial specific shit like items and fighter misty step
This game is not very difficult, even on Tactician. This is a skill issue.
you save scum just like everyone else to set up barrels. yeah no shit its not hard and easy to cheese. its bullshit like this that they spring up on you as the difficult part.
>you save scum just like everyone else to set up barrels.
I do not. This game is not very difficult, even on Tactician. This is a skill issue. You probably are picking the wrong spells or the wrong classes.
this is complete bullshit dude. even laezel gets temporarily left out of the party to go up and talk to them
you can talk your way out of it but you get put right into action if you fail a frickin deception check and boom, they have the initiative.
you're talking completely out of your ass
The githyanki patrol has been in Early Access for 3 years. It used to be more difficult (than even Tactician now) and they nerfed it.
Some people have no problems winning the fight. You do. This is a skill issue. You are probably using the wrong spells and not getting as much AC as you could, this is almost 100% the cause.
you can't complain the game is too hard when you get Potions of Speed like candy (which you probably don't even use). this is a
SKILL
ISSUE
>just know all the encounters and have the right spells and classes on encounters you aren't supposed to know to ambush you
frickin disingenuous worm
so you knew about it in early access, where they switched a bunch of shit
>WOW THE GAMES EASY BECAUSE I ALREADY BEAT IT BEFORE
you frickin moronic genius. go frickin eat dirt.
>the game should let me win even if I am ignoring broken items the game gives me
skill
issue
See those speed potions you let sit in your inventory? That are everywhere in Act 1? Use them, not using them is a skill issue.
>just know all the encounters and have the right spells
I mean if you've lost a fight already you have this info and you can prepare for it. but you can 100% beat the game entirely blind and without respeccing, you're just a baddy
You just are not good at this game, stop making excuses on fricking Ganker you loser.
The game is piss easy, even on tactician, past level 4. There are like half a dozen difficult fights. It feels difficult at the beginning, as you usually start in a bad position, are outnumbered and every enemy has several special arrows or special attacks. It's trivial easy, even without consumables or (ab)using environment. Not to mention killer combos like fume and fire or water and ice.
yeah I was watching a friend play in discord and the early game seems really rough, but you get so powerful pretty quickly that once you're up and going you can still sweep the game pretty easily. Though I guess for many this is their first taste of 5E so they probably don't know what the busted shit is
There are some trap choices in feats and spells, but all in all you can't really make a bad character.
then don't use it?
>god that can kill you sends you on a quest
so why doesn't she just do it herself if she's more powerful than you are?
>Paladin Avatar, Lae'zel, Shadowheart Tempest Cleric, Astarion Thief
>dude, git gud, Tactician is easy mode. Just do what I do and you'll win every time
Im playing the game and im not going to free that prince whatever that is in Prism i accepted ilithid powers n shit adn evolved BUT now im not sure i accepted that lord of Baldurs Gate guy and im not sure if i should plant the bomb in factory and betray him in future so yea can anybody tell me if that guy betrays you in future after you kill that shapeshifting b***h ?
My advice:
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i have broblems wat do?
Does she dump you over it?
yes. well, i reloaded. sex mith mizora is more some tantric shit than anything else, dump this demon. i would let wyll frick her.
the obvious option is 5
Wait a minute, Lae'zel looks like THIS?
yes.
I've heard about act 3, funny enough, I'm in act 3 but just the very beginning of it. Should I continue playing the game all the way through or wait for the definitive version of the game? Yes, we're getting patch 2 soon, but I doubt the patch will have the cut content, considering if they added in the cut content to patch 2 then everyone would need to start a new game to implement the changes.
this happened with me with Minthara
>woooww, she's finally fixed, except I'm already in Act 3 you fricking morons
Might as well finish it
i dunno why someone talking about "act 3 is not good enough". no bugs for me, town is FRICKING HUGE, im playing act 3 like, 3 or 4 days already and there are so much to do.
why would you kill the emperor before freeing the githianki prince that stops you from turning
Any date for patch 2 yet?
"Around the corner"
Probably right before or at PS5's release
>PS5's release
When's that
Baldur's gate 3 is the biggest filter i have seen, you have literal 40 year old morons that have finished the game multiple times failling to grasp how the Astral Prism works because they have main character syndrome.
If Vlaakith herself can't use that shit why do you expect yourself to be able to use them.
its woke pozzed globohomosexual israelitery propaganda. fricking Black folk, asiatics and troons ruining my content with left wing liberalism. I'm tired of seeing coloreds telling me my whiteness is bad and eradicating my culture. ywnbaw
The intro to this game is kinda baffling, so I just said to myself, I'm just gonna do what I think I would realisitically do in this situation. Here's the moronation that followed
>laezel says "the only chance you have of getting the worm out of your head is the creche"
>fairenough.exe
>get interrupted by a bunch of bullshit about druids and refugees
>literally who the frick are you people
>head for the creche
>at the entrance to the zone, get warned that it's way beyond my level
>what?
>go in anyway, because I'm committed to the bit
>get to the creche
>somehow they all know I have the artefact?
>laezel gets in the machine thing, blows it up
>no way to progress without giving up the artefact, or going into a fight with really strong NPCs
>decide, "okay realisiticallly, seeing as how this failed, I'll just go find Halsin, he's the next best bet"
>warp back to the starting map
>quest journal tells me Halsin is dead
what is this game? truly confusing experience
>game warns you that you are entering a new act
>you ignore the warning
>you try to backtrack and find an NPC who was captured
>he's dead since you left him behind
The game reacted to your choices, and you made really stupid ones. Did you actually think the githyanki had a cure after their knight told you they didn't?
>The creche has a cure. I know this because I read it a propaganda book once. Even though higher-ranking githyanki said this was a lie.
You decided to believe Lae'zel anyway. Skill issue. Your PC was too stupid and died, restart campaign and do not pass Go.
you wanted the game to hold your hand and prevent you from making bad decisions
I have no clue what you're talking about
what higher-ranking githyanki said this?
At the mountain pass, he tells you there is no cure. Other githyanki scoff at you when Lae'zel says "protocol means I must be cured."
Unless you didn't even bring Lae'zel with you, which is another 0 INT move by your stupid PC if you were really gunning for the creche. You made bad choices and you failed your campaign. Try again
don't you want to NOT bring Lae'zel because she can eat some permanent stat decreases from the chair? and even if she does pass it, giving her the tadpole bonus actions is worthless because I don't think she'd ever agree to using the powers
>min/maxing around your disgusting tadpole powers
>accepting any power even if it makes no RP sense for your character
You didn't beat Tactician. Ghaik
but I'm RPing as someone who is desperate for power and will accept any source of it regardless of downsides. you've never RP'd an idiot before in an RPG? it's good fun.
>You didn't beat Tactician
I sure didn't because D&D with a super sweaty DM trying to kill me super hard is horrible
my character accepts everything if anyone says it will give me more power
>crit the hag to death so she never offered me a deal
I put her in the chair and it gave my tav the roll to break the chair and gave me the awakening.
The stat decreases don't really matter if you keep her as a fighter, only the last one kinda matters since its a con debuff.
i just replayed this part to see if you're right, and he definitely does not mention this at all
Then what’s the point of that machine in the crece plot hole
THAT HAPPENS AFTER YOU'VE ALREADY PASSED INTO ACT 2
jesus you people are fricking stupid
the excuses you make for what is just bad writing and structure...
Mountain pass is act 1 and the start of the cut content
what's the plot hole
Why would you go and spread lies on Ganker? He tells you there is no cure if you let Lae'zel speak
Voss is MVP
But vlakaath says that they can be cured and there’s mutiple people that offer to cure it and can but it’s protected by the absloute magic voss is lying
>But vlakaath says that they can be cured
She lied to you. The machine in the creche is an execution device. Why would you trust her when she betrays you as soon as you meet her?
>voss is lying
He is not lying. The githyanki zha'thisk is an execution device.
He said there’s no way to remove it but plenty of people can
Isn't there more to it?
It analyzes the tadpole then kills you, but no. It's not more complicated to that.
Vlaakith regularly lies to her people, this isn't a surprise. Ascension is a lie. Any Gith above level 16 gets devoured by her and their soul feeds her Wish spells
Right, it analyzes it. After act 1 I skipped most dialogue and books, as its pretty bad. Likely it was way too much text for 19 writers. I'd rather have 1/10 of text, cutscenes, dialogues, etc but triple the quality. Even having sometimes 7 answers in a dialogue isn't worth it IMHO, as they usually branch to 2-3 different outcomes.
>a being lying about being a god would never lie about the usage of a device
I don't know what to tell you, I literally did not get this line. I reloaded the save twice now just to make double-sure.
Yeah, this convo branches in like 100 ways, does happen that you skip a line.
do you enjoy being mocked and called moronic? why are you posting this again
this is the first time I've posted this
you're too innocent. you're not trained to get as much loot and experience as possible before grudgingly advancing the main plot
The game is horrible with FOMO-inducing synchronization of events.
>Going to camp and resting won't impact a quest
>Except sometimes it will. And no, there's no way to tell when it will or won't.
At best there's a vague sense of "Don't sleep when the house is on fire [village on fire in act 1, gnomes behind rocks with nere]" but sometimes that doesn't apply and it's safe to
The worst, the absolute dogshit fricking worst, is the fricking ridiculousness of
>If you go get the nightsong before you visit the moonrise towers you are punished
Because GOING TO GET THE MACGUFFIN TO KILL THE IMMORTAL NECROMANCER IS A BAD IDEA, NO, YOU SHOULD GO VISIT HIM FIRST
WHAT FRICKING moron CAME UP WITH THAT. I GUESS THE FELLOWSHIP SHOULD GO TO MORDOR BEFORE GOING TO THE SHIRE TO GET THE FRICKING RING, YEAH?
Yes, I get there's the "hurhur you can just spy on him and canvas the tower first" but just as easily they could have had Kethric or some of the other cultists recognize you from the all-seeing-eye and jump you as the traitor. In which case then you'd be mocked with "hurhur why did you go to the tower before getting the nightsong".
At first I accepted the tadpole powers then I learned how OP the second phase is (When the game is already stupid easy on tactician by then) and yet how it doesn't actually impact your ending. Fricking Toddcore level lies.
During launch week they literally implied that taking tadpoles would have massive consequences. not to mention the cut upper city. I wonder what larian studios was like the week before launch lol probably just mass cuts and praying the game works
Yeah my enthusiasm with the game just became a steadily eroding collapse
>Slowly at first, then all at once
the more I picked up the inconsistencies of Act 3. The level of cut content is obscene especially with fricking karlac. That's downright criminal. I get some later addition companion like jaheira (As much as I like her from BG1-2) or Halsin or Minthara having cut content, but one of the main cast from act 1? Really?
At no time was it conveyed that your first mission is to just investigate. It was that that was where the means to free yourself of the tadpole was, but it was also clear it was the danger zone. I didn't even see the goblin before I got to the end of shar's temple because
>Clearly if I go into the lion's den without the macguffin my ass could be grass, so I will get it. Then I will go investigate the tower and
I simply did not expect the nightsong to be a "My IRL daddy didn't like me being a lesbian so I wrote in my OC donut steel lovers". Alright cool, that was an interesting surprise. I can roll with that. But I didn't like clearing shar's temple and then being told this vague FOMO inducing "are you sure you want to continue" and being left with
>"What the frick am I supposed to do then?"
Yeah that Black person isn't me, he's astroturfing. I'm pic related.
>At no time was it conveyed that your first mission is to just investigate
you're explicitly told to go there to investigate the worms and kethric's source of immortality I'm pretty sure.
(Samegay) It just does not flow naturally.
>You meet Jaheira
>You find out Kethric is the root of the shadowplague
>You find out he's immortal
>You are tasked with figuring out how to stop his immortality
He's the 'boss' of moonrise tower. So naturally how to stop the immortality is paramount. You can learn it by being a spy at his tower or you can learn it by investigating elsewhere. But then you get railroaded into
>No, you must investigate the tower first
If that were the case then they should simply have locked access to the masouleum until you do the tower.
Or, you know, not punish people by killing off the prisoners if you do the nightsong first. I'm fine losing out on the tower quests but it's just plain "You didn't play the way I wanted to, now you are punished" incoherence with the prisoners.
>kethric's source of immortality I'm pretty sure.
Right. Which you can uncover without going to the tower. You come across it in the masouleum.
The simple solution was not to fellate the aasimar and give her a billy badass moment without any control. At least give me a skill check where I can convince her to wait and go back to last light before blitzing ahead.
I remember them doing that with the last fight in DO2.
>Game is predicated on strategic positioning and clever maneuvering
>Forcibly warp all your characters you pre-positioned to the same spot, allowing sourcerer-jesus to run in first turn and spin2win the entire party down to quarter health before you're allowed to move.
Any other engagement prior to that gave you flexibility but then they pull pseudo-TPK style punishment
The game tells you the prisoners are in the tower. It even give you a quest marker. The game warns you that Nightsong is a point of no return. You ignored the warning. Skill issue.
you people want the game to hold your hand and have no consequences for your choices. you want all quests to never fail. even quest markers aren't enough for you
Ganker generally complains about the modern handholding of video games, but ends up needing it themselves because most of them are casuals.
>Right. Which you can uncover without going to the tower
of course but you have no way of knowing that. most baddies store important things they do not want falling into the hands of their enemies within their highly fortified bases, you see. I do agree that you should've been able to tell her to wait at the inn so you could initiate the siege yourself, but I'm also fine with a character not being beholden to you as the player.
>of course but you have no way of knowing that.
But I did though. I stumbled across the masouleum well before going to the tower as I was clearing the map before finishing it at the clear end-stage (the towers). I took out the drider, let the faerie go and got her blessing. I crossed north of the canal, took care of the house of healing and got the tiefling orphan with the druidic powers freed, then (or before that) I met raphael who told me about his enemy in the masoleum. Then I stumbled across Balthazar and learned the Nightsong was here.
Naturally I figured "I need protection in case Kethric sees through my disguise" so I cleared the temple - I had ever reason to believe what I was doing was fine. Then got hit with the wall of
>No you didn't clear this the right way, you have to go back to the tower unless you want to suffer consequences
When I had to look up what happens with this paradigm shift. There's not a difference experience to failing to rescue the refugees - it's just a total quest failure. You don't get a new avenue opening up you get less of one because now they aren't in Act3. It's punishment for not going the way Larian wanted you to, but never told you to.
I don't mind losing quests - I failed halsin's by a sniper hitting the portal last turn, I took that on the chin and ran with it. But if Halsin's quest randomly decided to lock you out of shadowhearts then it would just be a failure to telegraph clearly, more butterfly effect than consistency.
Act 1 telegraphed it fine - it was clear why going on to the mountain pass would move the story along.
One of the henchmen if that devil Raphael wants you to kill is a trader, isn't he? How to trade trade with him?
>then it would just be a failure to telegraph clearly
ok but the game does in fact telegraph that going to save the nightsong will accelerate the game state.
>Jaheira tells you to infiltrate Moonrise and learn more about the cult
>literally nothing she tells you indicates Moonrise is the endpoint of Act 2
>assume it is anyway because um... uhh... um...
>go off exploring and reach the actual point of no return that is explicitly spelled out to you
>"heh i'll just ignore this, there's no way it'll cause any other quests to become uncompleteable"
i dunno you just sound like a dense fricking moron
Jaheira tells you to infiltrate the tower.
Or you literally get escorted to the tower by a Drider.
The only way you end up in the Temple is if you go out of your way to go their first.
>I can't RP my character unless the ending slides change
You don't actually like RPGs
>Because GOING TO GET THE MACGUFFIN TO KILL THE IMMORTAL NECROMANCER IS A BAD IDEA,
the first visit to moonrise is to investigate shit, not to try to kill the immortal man. the cutscene with the goblins demonstrates this exactly, it also gives you a big pop up that the game state would move forward by going in there. you can't exactly do quests in the tower if the tower is under siege.
shut up you stupid fricking moron dont reply to my fricking posts again or I will shit down your fricking throat
seethe more brainlet, maybe you should try reading the text in your game before clicking things so this exact shit doesn't happen again, eh?
have a nice day Black person
why would I do that? you're clearly the miserable one here, you should follow your own advice.
>FOMO
I agree but bro trust me. Later on in Act 3 it is way too easy to break side quests by stumbling upon the wrong item at the wrong time.
>Picking up the torch after finding the haunted house?
Congratulations! You just broke the painter quest!
>Kill the necromancer before finding the painters house?
Congratualtions! You just broke the painter quest AND the Necronomicon quest!
>Kill Orin before Gortash?
The game now thinks you've had a chance to talk to Gortash, and as a consequence end game events will begin and most side quests will be broken, with the exception of the steel factory quests.
>make suicidal choice
>you die
WOWWW DUDE WTF?
you people would be horrible to play actual tabletop with
WARNING do not free prince Orpheus laezel will dump you over it and cuck you for him
>romancing a companion that can cuck you/be excited about fricking other people/leave you
Even if you don't turn yourself into a squidward?
He IS a level 12 Monk with massive stats. In a game that made monks actually kind of absurdly strong.
What PC could compare to princely wiener such as that?
He's honestly complete shit as a monk npc, he's only remotely useful as a mindflayer and then they make him lose his monk abilities.
How did Todd fricking Howard get this right years ago and modern devs can't.
>Mega god entity: "you will now become my champion"
>Player: no thank u
>Mega god entity: *Ominous dialog pointing to hidden consequences*
Making your players suffer your oc's having an overt influence on their journey is such a pathetic shit move.
>Why isn't it more like Bethesda, where it holds your hand and has Essential NPCs
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
They weren't thing in morrowind
>mega god entity tells you to do something OR ELSE
>you refuse
>mega god entity murders you
I mean, it makes sense.
On a narrative sense yeah, but considering that the player might be wanting to rp as something that opposes your Mega god entity it's better to allow the player to advance without having him recind his chosen role.
its a maze with only one path cant have people bypassing the devils bullshit nonono you need to let him grab you by the short hairs and force a deal in act3
>first playthrough was a Bard
>breeze through Isobald Thorm
>second playthrough is a Monk with not nearly as much persuasion or performance
Oh this feels bad.
Should have been a tiefling with thaumaturgy.
do the zhentarim whatever frickers you give the pocket Spectator show up again later on?
on a replay and decided to give them the package, but the chucklefricks and dogs in the back were already hostile for some reason so i went to fight them, turns everyone else hostile and killed them.
This thread is the exact reason why you don't add Deity strong entities as active players in your narratives. The moment the players go against you super strong oc, you have two choices, you can accept it and move on or smiting the players for daring to go against your super special quest giver.
I don't think there's anything wrong with having godlike creatures in your game, there are ways to turn her down without getting nuked from orbit, just don't act like a massive butthole. it's not that you went against her, it was that you were a c**t while doing it.
You're like the rest of the morons in this thread that didn't actually pick the dialogue options that lead to Vlaakith killing you, or simply turned your fricking brain off at that moment and stopped paying attention
>player character insults vlaakith explicitly
>lae'zel warns them not to do that
>vlaakith gets mad
>player character does it again
>vlaakith wishes you to death
She literally does not kill you because you "go against her," she kills you insulted her and she's a thin-skinned tyrant
Why doesn't the DM just give all the good shit to the fem players so he can bang them afterward? that's the problem with D&D, there's no way to make it fair
Mind Flayers are one of the most boring races from Dungeons & Dragons. Making a game about them was a bad decision.
Illithids actually are the most interesting, but unfortunately the game didn't delve into their culture very much.
I mean any D&D game set in the forgotten realms is going to be boring
>setting where you get to meet Drizzt Do'Urden
>boring
Drizzt is cringe and poisoned a generation of roleplay
They're interesting but they barely show up. Act 3 and I can count the number of times I fought Ithilids on one hand.
>Kethric's boss fight (1)
>The obliette room with zevlor (3-4 I think)
That's it.
Nautiloid, near fishers, kethric, end fight. So like 6 in total?
iunno, i think this game is just not very good
thanks for...advertising your dogshit taste to the class I guess?
Alright, I'm never buying this game, but on the off chance someone gifts it to me (got some friends that keep shilling it), I have to know.
What's the route to killing as many annoying characters as possible and screwing the most amount of annoying Larian NPCs over, while getting away with it?
basically everyone is killable
I played vengeance paladin as murder hobo, no problem.
Which site can I get this for free?
REDEEM GAME PLEASE
SIR,
PLEASE BLOODY REEDEM
>Holding hands with The Emperor
>Having sex with The Emperor
>Becoming Half-Ilithid for The Emperor
>Marrying The Emperor
>Becoming a Mind Flayer for The Emperor
>Raising little flayers with The Emperor
>Ruling over Baldur's Gate from the shadows with The Emperor
all me
>talk shit at a level 26 lich
>die
nice railroading homosexual, if this was an IRL campaign I'd have you laughed out of my house and break your fingers. try that shit on troonycord not in real life
pretty cruel of me, to make her do this while I refuse to touch the damn thing.
As a sidenote, do you think they keep some aspects of the transformation after the story? Or does burning away the worm make them fully lose the Ilithid changes inflicted upon their bodies?
I knew making my Dark Urge be an evil ginger would eventually pay off!
ACT III - CAMP
'MYSTERIOUS HOLE'
There's a fricking dead badger and an inaccessible hole under the rubble.
WHERE DOES IT LEAD? THERE'S NOTHING ONLINE ABOUT IT.
FYI: You can't access it by normal means. You can't Misty Step or Fly there either.
Obviously cut content.
>linear railroaded slop
Ummmmm the game has over 17,000 endings??????????
>500 reply thread over fricking larian writing
Either you guys never played one and fell for hype or whatever, or you are terminally moronic