>Look, I wasn't going to buy it anyway so there is no lost sale if I take it for free.
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>pirating games
>not just waiting outside GameStop until someone buys the game you want and robbing them
>Black person piracy
Explain the difference other than who does them.
There is no difference. If you don't care about breaking the law to get what you want, you are a Black person. Piracy may or may not be theft, but it is still a crime.
An unjust law is no law at all.
>I don't have to follow that law because it's a dumb law!
Is it okay if I shoot you in the face because I think the laws against killing people are unjust?
If the majority of people feel the law is bad then it is.
If you really think that law is unjust, sure. Other people would be justified in shooting you in that situation though.
>Piracy may or may not be theft, but it is still a crime
it is
LITERALLY
not a crime in most(if not all) of the world
the reason torrenting is seen as a "crime" is because its P2P and you are technically also "giving" people a product you have no rights to
intelectual property can not be "stolen", if someone gets a patent on something you can just make that thing and its not illegal, its only illegal when you make that thing and in some way spread it
>you are technically also "giving" people a product you have no rights to
why does that matter if there's nothing wrong with taking the item without the rights to take it
Because, the same as is with intelectual property, no one is losing anything if you just take the patent and make it yourself, you wouldn't buy it anyway
but if you take the patent, make the product, and start giving/selling it to others then you are directly impacting possible sales
you will say "well they wouldn't buy it anyway" but then that just an argument of whenever or not you think things like DRM impact sales or not
as in, if that person did not have the possibility of getting it for free, would they or would they not get it?
I mean - if piracy doesn't effect sales, then it shouldn't matter whether you distribute it or not. If it DOES, then downloading should be treated the same as distributing.
I'M GONNA MAKE A COPY OF A GAME WITHOUT PAYIN'!
>2009
different universe
You take an object
You make a duplicate of the same thing and nothing was lost
What? I don't care. I made that post 2 hours ago.
No you didn't, I did. Why are you copying me?
piracy
>people who pay for their copy enjoy their copy as much as you do
theft
>someone who paid for their copy can't enjoy it because you stole their copy
kys homosexual
If you're going to break the law, break it good and hard, you little pussy.
GlowBlack person post. I will download a car and run you over with it.
>Ayo Tyrese, give these homies a volley
kek
reminds me of
that looks like some kind of cheap ghetto attempt at making a gun
Pretty sure it's an old bolt-action shotgun.
No no. Call it Systematic Economic Acquisitions
>my crime is better because im white
its called reparations you evil racist.
We already paid more than enough reparations with welfare, section 8 housing and government benefits to those people.
pirate gays think they aren't Black folk? That's hilarious lmao
I like free shit.
Shalom. I too like free shit.
shalom
no no no anon you don't get it;
when devs want money it's cause they're israelites, when I want money it's cause I'm based
More like when devs/publishers/distributers practice israeli tactics to rip consumers off and then not actually deliver the product promised it's israeli, and when I keep money from going to these shady israelites it's based.
whatever helps you sleep at night anon
Your moms big israeli breasts as my pillows is the best sleep I get
big breasts are bad pillows since they go to the sides when she lies down
I guess your pirate name is virgin beard
Top kek, the irony. Off to the side is perfect because they get wedged between my shoulder and head to perfectly prop me up as I sleep.
stop lying virgin beard
Lmao this Black person has never napped on some big breasts before. It's always projection. Always.
na man, if you put your head when they're on the side it's just not comfortable, also could hurt her unless you've got a baby head lmao virgin baby beard
>shills still can't tell apart between copying and stealing
You haven't really explained why one is fine and the other isn't.
>stealing deprives someone of the object!
Well, purchasing it does as well. The only difference is that the person selling it doesn't get any money, which is the same for piracy - but that obviously isn't an issue, otherwise piracy would be wrong as well.
Everything is fine when I do it because I deserve everything I want for free, because I'm special, and I know I'm special because I'm me, me me me me me me, me me me me me, me me me me. Me me me me me me? Me. Me me me, me me me me, me me me me me me me me. MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE. MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE. MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE. MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE. MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.
GIBSMEDAT ERRYTHANG
this but for me only
NO, FOR ME, BECAUSE I'M MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.
frogposter moment
What's wrong about being self-centered? You're the most important person in your life
>see merchant A selling apples for $1
>well, those apples are good but I don't want to spend money, sorry
>merchant B: hey, here's an apple for free!
>wow thanks!
>merchant A:REEEEEE YOU DIDN'T BUY MY APPLE YOU OWE ME MONEEEEEYYYYY!!!!!
A sale not happening does not mean the product is stolen.
I wasn't arguing that point, though? I'm saying that even if you stole A's apple, there's no more harm done. Anyone else who would have bought the apple would be deprived of said apple even if you bought it, and the person selling the apples doesn't matter. If they go out of business, you can get apples from elsewhere.
Stealing A's apple is harm done because he doesn't have the apple to sell anymore. Taking B's apple is fine because A still has his apple and he's able to sell it.
>Stealing A's apple is harm done because he doesn't have the apple to sell anymore
But he probably has other apples to sell. Why should I care about the apple seller? They make shit apples.
>Why should I care about the apple seller?
Because taking what belongs to others is wrong. He might do other things with the apple, like eat it himself. If the apple is taken he can't do that.
On the other hand however a potential sale does not belong to others, it's an agreement that both the seller and buyer have to abide by. If the buyer doesn't agree to the seller's price and gets an apple from some other source it isn't theft, it's simply doing business with an alternate venue.
>Because taking what belongs to others is wrong.
So? Why am I suddenly supposed to care?
Remember: most pirates don't give a shit about the livelihood of the developers of the games they pirate. So why should I care about the livelihood of the person I steal from? Give me a concrete reason that isn't just effectively "because it's LE BAD!".
That's right, nobody should care about anybody else, we should all be robbing, stealing, cheating and killing each other. That's totally the foundation of a working society!
Where did I say that should be the case for everyone? Or even most people? If everyone pirated every game, then all developers would go bankrupt. Yet piracy is still fine because there are people willing to pay.
If most people are willing to pay for physical goods, why does it matter if one person steals them?
Oh, now I get it. You think YOU should be allowed to do whatever you want, and everyone else should get fricked.
>You think YOU should be allowed to do whatever you want, and everyone else should get fricked.
I mean, that's what it is for piracy right? Like everyone says, I wouldn't have bought it anyway - clearly enough people do believe in buying things that it isn't a problem.
Yes.
Pirating does not harm the developer. It's not like I'm walking into their house and personally taking $20 from them.
It's a victimless crime. I would not buy the game anyway, so there is no lost sale.
you are using the word "victimless crime" incorrectly, the victim is the developer who isn't able to sell the game and not being able to afford to live.
An example of a "victimless crime" is e-girlcon, because there is zero harm towards anyone in a material sense, including "potential" harm (yes e-girl is a sickness though, but there is no victim until the person who watches e-girlcon decides to do something, watch something, or say something regarding an actual child, which could count as "potential" harm, but what someone does after e-girlcon is different crime and just hypothetical), as like with a developer "potentially" not being able to make money to live.
But read this:
>If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?
If your argument is that you were never going to buy the game in the first place, that is the same as arguing that a tree that nobody has heard doesn't make a sound.
But if you had the disposable money and you could afford to play the game, you would first need to be interested in the game before you even pirate it, but if you lived in a world where piracy wasn't possible, you would have just bought the game because it interests you.
And in a world without piracy, I know the prices for games will stay the same, because piracy actually doesn't affect the actual money a company makes, because not enough people do it, and the ones who do it actually wouldn't pay for the game if it wasn't possible because games today are shit and companies can get away with making shit games. But I think that it is misleading to argue that piracy doesn't cause harm just because AAA companies aren't affected much, because other video game sectors are more heavily affected by it, for example hentai video games are heavily pirated (like more people pirate the game than people actually buying it), and you cannot argue that isn't harmful, especially for a small developer who isn't able to implement a DRM.
No one cares, you gay little nerd
>publishers can steal the game from me whenever they want
>i can steal the game from them whenever i want
piracy is only fair
>the victim is the developer
>Buying a game is the same as reading a physical book.
There are so many books out there that are 100% free in web format, but you can buy the physical book for like $60.
Turns out that the hardback feels better, and you can even give and lend the book to other people for free.
This also reminds me that the very top grossing games out there are free to play, and it shows that the more accessible your game is, the more people will discover it, and people will play the game, and then they will play the next game that is released by the same company.
But indie developers don't make free to play games because they are very complicated to make (aka, implementing addictive in game purchases).
a game is the same as buying a book.
yes
It's either you have an e-ink tablet and you buy ebooks for it, or you buy the physical book.
If you actually read ebooks on a computer display, you are straining your eyes.
The reason why people release books for free on the web is because books aren't made to be read on computers for long periods of time.
And yes, you could market a game using a similar concept as "free books" as in, you give people a free game, but then you have "patreon" and people who pay for paytreon get a "special" build, maybe they get extra music, or they get the newest updates before everyone else, basically a "donation" system except you get a superior product (for example a hardcover).
When your video said "what if we made the book free", he is talking about pdf/ebooks, he isn't giving away hardcover books.
>If you actually read ebooks on a computer display, you are straining your eyes.
Is there a point to your bullshit?
Brevity soul of wit etc
>Is there a point to your bullshit?
nope
>reading on a tablet is fine
>but reading on a computer is bad
actual moron
have you ever heard of a kindle?
I have an e-reader and I've pirated every single book I've read, even the ones that are free in the store app.
You don't have to care about stealing or consider it wrong, but most people do and it's a crime for that reason. If you do it and get caught you will be punished in most societies.
Internet crime is considered wrong by far fewer people, and thus the consequences for it are far more lenient. For these most basic of reasons based purely on self-interest you should put more weight on actual stealing vs internet piracy. They are very different offenses, and are only superficially comparable.
Imagine if every time you bought an apple you had to sign a contract saying you're not allowed to plant the apple seeds to grow your own tree.
Imagine people arguing that planting your own apple seeds is stealing from the apple vendor.
That's all well and dandy, but it turns out that whenever someone checks game piracy and its impact on sales, they either make more money due to pirates not shutting the frick up ever or blocking pirates increases sales by 1% on an already low volume for niche games (which is pathetic and you likely lost money implementing the solution).
Music piracy and movie piracy are different cases which I've never looked into, but game pirates are notoriously stingy and they'll go through whatever hoops to get it for free and if that fails they just won't get it. And in the second case it generally hurts paying customers due to overly zealous implementation of protections against said pirates.
Video game pirates are basically irrelevant and any attention on them is just a fricking waste, most devs know this, just not the suits.
Where did I talk about the effect of piracy on sales? I'm saying it doesn't matter, just like the effect of THEFT on sales.
Theft on sales is calculated for though, so theft actually does matter as precautions need to be taken for stock and sometimes for violent theft depending on what you are selling (jewelers for example).
There is no digital stock and a violent pirate at most will send you an ESL message that might be a death threat but is hard to decipher.
>The only difference is that the person selling it doesn't get any money, which is the same for piracy
What ungodly cognitive contortions did you try to pull off in this sentence? Did your brain break?
Here, let me elaborate your moronation
>stealing deprives someone of the object!
correct
>Well, purchasing it does as well
misuse of the word "deprive". it's not appropriate to use it when you got something in return
>The only difference is that the person selling it doesn't get any money
wrong. the difference is that if you steal a thing then the seller no longer has that thing
>which is the same for piracy
wrong. if you pirate a thing then the seller still has infinite copies of the thing to sell
>if you pirate a thing then the seller still has infinite copies of the thing to sell
Yes, but the seller has the right to distribute those copies, and you don't. What do you think COPYRIGHT means?
>What do you think COPYRIGHT means?
I don't speak Hebrew
It's fricking English, window licker. Copyright: as in the RIGHT TO MAKE COPIES. Which you do not have. If you make a game of your own, if you own the copyright, you can make as many copies of it as you want. And if you were selling that game for money, I think you'd be pretty pissed if people pirated it.
>OYY VEYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
I don't respect your money changing institutions, heathen. Copyright does not exist.
>I put scary legal words on fancy paper
I put steel through your body at several miles per second.
>I put steel through your body at several miles per second.
The law has more guns then you do.
Doesn't matter I'm not real and the law needs more resources than its already bloated gullet can withstand. No one polices piracy. homosexuals like you take down a host site and ten more pop up.
Don't even reply.
>Don't even reply.
I'm gonna reply anyway just because I can. Don't like it? Stay mad, you hypocritical, moron fellating, jizz soaked cumrag.
>The law has more guns then you do.
In burgerland that's not actually true. Private citizens own more guns than all the cops and soldiers combined by more than an order of magnitude.
>resorting to legal arguments in a moral discussion
absolute brainlet
whether or not something is legal has absolutely no bearing on whether or not it is right or wrong
What determines if something is right or wrong?
morality
Is this seriously your first time hearing that legality isn’t a measure of right or wrong?
Of course it isn't. I just like asking disingenuous questions to take up people's time on here, as well as taking up positions contrary to my own then taking them to an extreme.
The question of right v. wrong is of much less concern than legal v. illegal. You don't get punished for being wrong, people just kind of think you're a dumbass.
No it isn't. Discussing legality outside of places where the law is actually made is only useful if you want to do something that you're not sure is legal and want to avoid punishment.
Piracy doesn't get punished so discussing it's legality is a waste of time.
Are you moronic? For example, all of piratebay's founders are currently in prison for piracy.
If you're really that dense then fine, I'll specify for you. Pirating shit doesn't get punished. Hosting infrastructure that facilitates piracy does get punished.
The guy doesn't want an actual argument he's just being pedantic and autistic.
Not that anon but I like doing that as well. I don't genuinely think I'll change anyone's mind on here, nor am I really open to changing my minds based on the opinions or shit posted on here - so if I find someone who I disagree with I'll just generally be a shit.
No one on this website is really against piracy, it's all for bait.
True. I don't dislike piracy - I just dislike anons. Even though I'll probably happily discuss something about a game we both enjoy in another thread. Such is the anonymous life.
we all pirate retro game roms, but pirating a modern video game is anti-social Ganker behavior.
personally though many people who browse Ganker are either underage kids (they don't make money to afford the games), or they are brain damaged and dropped out of school, maybe living with parents, and it would hurt their financial situation to actually buy a game, but they are addicted to games (like me) and they continue to play games and browse Ganker, and other anti-social activities.
Frick off back to facebook with this backpatting of stupidity, you don't know the law. There was a court case where someone "shared" unfinished data of a harry potter movie by torrenting it and it was considered copyright infringement.
I don't give a frick about the law, homosexual. I've been pirating for 15 years and haven't got so much as a letter. You wanna be a little cop homosexual go somewhere else you little boot licker.
Oh so I'm "The guy who doesn't want an actual argument" and you're like "just fine me bro"
Eat shit you worthless scum of the earth. I can't believe I wasted even a single post thinking you had half a brain.
Hey you lumped me in with the rest Black person. I'm just calling you out for being a pedant queer because you don't provide anything on your end, you just keep nitpicking the other guys posts. I don't give a frick about piracy laws and I sure as hell don't want to argue them with you either.
Then why did you inject yourself into my argument? Are you fricking moronic?
To call you a homosexual boot licker, of course.
public forum
shoosh
>there was this one case that has nothing to do with 99.99999999% of instances of piracy
woah, fricking mindblowing
Torrenting is the #1 form of piracy and this applies to every torrented file.
Yet every torrented file doesn't get prosecuted. Curious.
Murders go unsolved too.
Murders go unsolved, piracy goes un-investigated because the authorities don't actually give a shit.
Some places do punish piracy, but it's very much a grey area and more of a "don't get caught" situation.
Neither does your personal opinion. Getting to enjoy someone else's hard work without giving them some sort of recompense is morally wrong, but you always ignore that, since it goes against your narrative.
>but you always ignore that
I don't. Most of the games I bought on Steam have 0 hours played because I had already pirated and played them before buying.
If I pirate a game I am saying either "I'm not sure I will like this" or "the current asking price is too high".
>misuse of the word "deprive". it's not appropriate to use it when you got something in return
What does the person who would have otherwise bought the object that I bought get when I buy it instead? They get nothing, whether I bought the object or stole it. The only difference between the two is the seller's condition.
And as we've ALREADY ESTABLISHED, the seller doesn't matter. They can sell something else.
You do realize that the legal definition of robbery includes depriving the person of that object?
>normies shit on nft
>but pretend like copy of a game code is somehow different than a copy of a nft jpg
>take it
it's not a thing you can "take" you fricking weirdo
you cannot physically run out of a fricking video game to sell
Um, Limited Run Games would say otherwise, sweetie.
Now make sure to pre-order the day one collector's Edition deluxe
You absolute fricking idiot. Limited run doesn't mean the devs ran out of games, it means they just refuse to sell more
Reminder
>Piracy Doesn’t Harm Sales
So what? You don’t deserve the product without purchase, regardless of the economic effects of piracy.
>You don’t deserve
who the frick are you?
I'm the Dude
*claps*
>Says the brat child who thinks he should get everything for free
If I don't deserve it, why do I have it for free?
>You don’t deserve the product without purchase
i do though
>You don’t deserve the product
actually I do. I invest my time into the product, and as we all know, time = money.
I am paying the big corporations with my attention, they should be thankful.
>You don’t deserve the product without purchase
it's not a product. it's some zeroes and ones
>So what? You don’t deserve the product without purchase, regardless of the economic effects of piracy.
I don't have the product, just a copy of it. :^)
>deserve
bro, it's children's entertainment, if you want to flaunt how much better you are than the filthy poors go buy a car, we can't download those
but i do deserve to take it for free because i put stats into IQ. Since you clearly didn't, enjoy deserving giving away money for objects that aren't worth the price, meanwhile i'll be saving my money for more worthwhile and important purchases.
I deserve what I take.
>You don’t deserve the product without purchase
try and stop me gayet
yarr harr fiddle dee dee
try and catch me homosexual
And what will you be ordering from our vegan menu today, sir--I mean ma'am?
while it isn't actually morally reprehensible, I see how it can sort of be a dick move
>If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?
But personally this is a rich vs poor problem.
if you are rich, well yes you are affecting the game companies bottom line, your excuse can't be "I wouldn't buy it anyway" because if you bought the game on steam and hated it, you could refund it in under 2 hours, and if you "had fun" or "interested" you would keep playing it, but at that point why would you bother deleting your pirated copy and buying from the store if it's more inconvenient (and you would save money by not buying the game).
But if you are poor or unemployed, buying every game you play is poor money management and video games can technically be an addiction and I would say it's better to steal drugs than to buy them.
This falls apart when it's been confirmed that it's poor morons who buy games in the first place.
The actual problem is that 2 hours isn't enough for consumers to be 100% satisfied. Personally I think 24 hours should be the refund period, and after that you can still refund the game, but you will only be able to refund a certain percent of the value (and that value should compound any in game purchases as well).
There should be an exception for video games that aren't designed to be played for longer than 24 hours, but it should also be tied to the price (AKA expensive game has much more than 24 hours of gameplay, cheap sub $12 game only has a few hours)
it doesn't because a sound has to be perceived
otherwise they're just vibrations in the air
>a sound has to be perceived
no
Doesn't matter if piracy is justified or not if I'm going to do it either way.
Congratulations, you are now officially a Black person.
Technically the only person hurt by stealing is the person selling the item. And 9/10 they're a big business, so who gives a shit?
>>Look, I wasn't going to buy it anywa-ACK!!!!
The videogame industry deserves to crash and burn for lobotomizing generations of able youngsters. Get a real job if you cant handle the truth
>CTRL+C = CTRL+X
lafin
out
loud
>"by pirating I am removing someone else's copy"
Loving every laugh
thats not what i said at all
Jesus pirated bread and wine and the masses worship him.
This. Those who find fault in piracy are Mammon worshippers.
this is the only correct answer.
If somebody saids that Jesus and God is wrong, than I know I am on right pass.
why do you think the israelites hate him
I enjoy stealing.
It's just as simple as that.
GIBSMEDAT FO' FREE
reminder if you torrent a game literally no loss occurs.
if you take a loaf of bread, that was made with flour which cost money, and is an actual loss.
>Government just copies money over and over to devalue the dollar, stealing monies worth from everyone in the country
>It’s okay
>I copy a single digital file, devaluing nothing
>Jail and fines
Frick this gay earth
>pirate one game=devs lose 60 american dollars
>pirate game million times = devs go bankrupt
This is the power.
>monking sounded stupid, so they just called it unauthorized copying until we decided to call sea-robbers pirates
world sucks
I will now call it monking
>oi scrib
>check your copies
>Vellem potius non
huh, i thought the cat-liver analogy existed only in my native language
>catposters continue to be moronic
Frogposters have some fierce competition.
*continues pirating*
anons itt shitting and pissing themselves
Stray kitty that hangs out on my porch withy dog. I don't have money for the vet so I can't adopt it
Why don't you take it to a shelter then after they've dewormed it and shit adopt it then?
cute little fella
Please take it in or give it into a shelter.
It's so fricking dangerous out there.
The little stray i have been feeding for 5 years now was hit by a car sunday. I found her laying under my car in a bad way, bleeding, teeth everywhere. Took her to the vets and phoned every morning to see how she was but unfortunately she was put to sleep today as injuries were too severe.
That's what I'm scared of. I took it in for the night and gave it water/food but it seems more happy outside climbing trees so I didn't want to make it stay in
It's young enough that it will adjust if you bring it indoors. I would let my cat outside if I had some land but there's a lot of busy roads outside my front door. Also, at least where I live there are first come, first served animal clinics who will give shots + spay/neutering for however much you can afford, so if you can't afford anything it's free. You might have something like that near you.
This cats owners killed themselves in one of my apartments last week and now it lives in my basement ceiling. None of the family wants it.
Can't you take it in?
So cute
Limited digital media pleas understand
I've been regularly pirating for 18 years, like I give a shit what a bunch of 16 year old Ganker homosexuals think
>dude I'm 25 I'm like soooo old xD
t. 16 year old
source?
no one on v knows how to greentext
source?
I don't care what you think, Im going to pirate shit anyway simply because I want to
>no one on v knows how to greentext
Modern games aren't worth pirating anyway so it doesn't matter.
So true
I hate capitalism. I pirate every single game. I release roaches into any apartment I leave since the israelite landlords won't refund my security deposit anyway.
now add a machine in the backround that copies the product from the left
ment for
Except both sides have a copying machine lol
no since the one on the right created the copying machine
For me it's like this.
What have you pirated recently, pirateanons?
Just yesterday I pirated Unepic, It Lurks Below, Rogue Legacy (it was shit, uninstalled after 2 minutes) and Geneforge 5
If I'm in a store and I see someone else stealing something I won't say anything about it. It's not my money.
>I demand free games
That's me (I look like that and say that.)
This. Nobody gives a shit about piracy but the people that constantly feel the need to defend their piracy are annoying.
Did you guys know MH Stories was cracked
I guess they removed denuvo or something, based
>never spend a single cent on 0's and 1's
>own ground and a 2 story brick house with a several rooms large cellar
>own two cars
>own two gaming pcs and two notebooks
>eat only fresh food
life's good
Why did the piracy debate die down? Shit was the hottest topic around 2003 and even before that with bootlegging tapes and it hasn't gone away or anything but nobody ever talks about it anymore except garbage bait threads on Ganker.
Because it's normalized now. People who know pirate shit without thinking, especially shit like movies/films on one of the zillion free streaming sites.
OK, so, are we in leauge with the devil? Is it illegal? It is def. illegal, just nobody's enforcing it, even in 1st world nations.
The only reason it's illegal is because rich people have lobbied to make it that way. They're unjust laws that no one likes, but everyone lives with because they don't have the resources to challenge it.
the biggest issue is that even if you're legally going after people who pirated something, it's not worth it from a financial viewpoint because you can only get a so much in damages back for a 60$ game, its not even enough to pay the lawyers with it - and in practice it's very hard to provide proof for it.
that's why they always focus on torrents because it's very easy to track and then you can also accuse them for distributing the files and claim thousands of dollars in damages.
only then the publisher can make some money out of it.
This is one of the many reasons why I switched to usenet. Imagine still torrenting lmao
lol. zoomers don't even know what a directory or a folder means in filesystems.
it's all the pajeets and other third worlders that pirate shit.
They just look up youtube videos about how to do it.
>zoomers
>looking things up
Probably because there are more multiplayer games (many of which are F2P) than ever before, and microtransactions are far more profitable than any single purchase model could ever hope to be.
>pirate game
>like it
>decide regular updates is worth it and will keep playing
>buy it
If you don't pirate you're an idiot, simple as that. I've saved hundreds and hundreds of dollars trying every game I could want and finding most are shit I won't want to play past 10 hours. It's brilliant.
>decide regular updates is worth it and will keep playing
>buy it
things that never happened
Not that anon but it happened to me two times
>Factorio
>MH:W because cracked online version is outdated (got 2 copies, for me and my friend)
Games I pirated and then bought:
Banished, Bioshock, Darkest Dungeon, Divinity OS2, Skyrim, Elite Dangerous, EYE, Graveyard Keeper, Grim Dawn, Hades, Hotline Miami, Kingdom Come Deliverance, Kingdoms Reborn, Prison Architect, Rimworld, Sands of Salzaar, Slime Rancher, Songs of Syx, Vampire Survivors, The Witcher 3, Workers and Resources, Wasteland 2.
Just my steam games, I'm sure there are more.
Bros, I hate to admit it but I bought a game last week.
WHO THE FRICK IS PAYING MONEY FOR STUFF YOU CAN GET FOR FREE EASIER
I usually don't pirate but I don't care if other people do. I just can't be bothered to learn what to do in order to be safe, avoid malware etc. plus I live in a country where the ISPs send threatening letters and stuff like that.
I've pirated a couple of things (and technically all the old games, like PS1 and PS2 stuff for emulation) but I usually buy stuff.
what money is lost, if any, by me downloading these files.
go ahead.
>what money is lost, if any, by me downloading these files.
the electric bill for playing that garbage
it's free and I have no data cap. I have better games, point remains: no money is "lost" from a torrent. if anything, it's free PR from people playing it.
Data is not electricity you fricking mongoloid. Joke went right over your head.
Piss off
>YOU WOULDN'T SHOOT A POLICEMAN
AND THEN STEAL HIS HELMET
Of course not, there's a bullet hole in it.
Wheres the You wouldnt download a car?
It never says that.
>purposely left these in my pirated movie copies
am i the only one who did that, shit always gave me a giggle
No I just watch the movie
>YOU WOULDN'T DOWNLOAD A CAR
Yes. When a product exists and someone's first thought is, "I can get this for free." That's not a lost sale. The idea of actually buying it doesn't come up. Even if someone's simply poor and thinks, "I can buy this, but I don't have the money." That's still not a lost sale. You can't operate in some theoretical magic economy where absolutely everyone who can will buy your product. Things would be similar if piracy wasn't an option at all. Zero money would go to the original owner because someone would buy themselves a pre-owned copy for the cheapest that they can. This does the EXACT SAME THING to video game companies but you're not fricking whinging about that.
THIEF
Its always so funny watching pirates try to rationalize their criminal behavior. Just admit you have no morals.
I think stealing is a terrible thing but downloading a file isn’t stealing, or at least not on the same level as physically taking something that belongs to someone else. I don’t even pirate games but I wouldn’t judge someone else for doing it.
>morals
a meme
>but crime
you're a gay and would get killed in the past if you expected sheriffs to just come up when you're at gun point
If piracy is a lost sale, why do people who have no problem pirating regularly but things they could easily pirate? Why is the music industry still alive? Do you really believe it is just because piracy is illegal? People won't even walk at the crosswalk despite it being illegal not to. Why the frick would they actually spend money vs not spend money on something simply because it would be illegal not to? No, clearly there is some other reason that is completely irrelevant to copyright and the law that people buy these things. Which means if copyright didn't exist, people would still buy them.
It's gonna be free eventually, So I will just get it free a bit earlier.
it's utter stupidity to assume stealing a loaf of bread is equivalent to torrenting a game.
one is an actual loss, the other is a speculative "loss".
>the other is a speculative "loss".
which ends up as a gain if the game is good because i will then market it for FREE.
right, if someone torrents a game and praises it online it's basically free advertising.
I'm currently fostering 5 kittens. They're so cute. The runt is this little calico who runs around like a crackhead.
Foster these two balls in your mouth.
Perchance.
You can't just say perchance.
So you give up and admit you're wrong? I accept your concession. Next time we have this thread you better not make a fool out of yourself like this.
I'm teaching all 5 kittens how to pirate games.
How sinister
give that little crackhead some catnip
Post kots
They are all sleeping and I do not wish to disturb them.
Let's see Paul Allen's vidya cats.
You are living the dream
The mother of those cats illegaly copied herself also you stole them those cats belong to either the mother, her owner or the goverment
MONEY WAS NOT EXCHANGED YOU CANT DO THAT YOU MUST KILL THEM REEEEEEE
cat
cat cat! cat
>you will pay for nothing and you will be happy
I'm OK with this, people just wanna hold on to their old crap forever for some reason.
>I'm OK with this
Not surpising.
>No argument, just random unwarranted anti-semitism
Let go of the baby blanket. Move on with your lives.
t. israelite Rosenburg
Frick off israelite. Come take the content off my hard drive, only way you're going to. Frick your terms of service. Frick your EULA. I stole your work and I won't give it back when the licensing runs out. Come and take it.
It's not warranted. I'm not israeli, nor do I purchase movies. My post was about
>people just wanna hold on to their old crap forever for some reason.
Your brains have been completely rotted, haven't they? Can't even carry a normal discussion for 5 seconds without sperging out. The state of summer Ganker truly is a sight to behold.
>I'm OK with this
Convenient the little israelite leaves this part out of his post.
Not that anon, why do you believe that anyone who disagrees with you is a israelite? I'm sure you'll call me a israelite as well, but is it just that you think anyone that thinks contrary to your beliefs is israeli? Or you just use the term to mean 'anyone who disagrees with me'?
>Is OK with extremely israeli digital distribution practices
>Why are you calling him a israelite?
I like to give everyone here the benefit of the doubt they aren't willingly israelite cattle. But I suppose I can be wrong.
I'm not him, I'm also not okay with Sony just removing access to digital content people paid for. I do however find your dismissive attitude to anyone who doesn't share your highly specific worldview, comparing them to 'cattle' even or accusing them of being a specific religion or ethnicity. It's pretty fricking awful - and I'd argue it's as bad as the attitude that you &
assign to israelites.
Frick off you filthy fricking israelite. You aren't welcome here.
Again, not israeli. If I had less reservations I'd take a photo of my uncircumsized wiener to show you but I'm not going to do that.
Nobody wants to see your mutilated wiener you homosexual. Go be cattle somewhere else. Maybe back to Twitter where you came from.
>can't read
pottery
>I'm not a israelite I just fight all their battles
Then you'd be an honorary israelite. The point still stands.
>Then you'd be an honorary israelite.
The best part is he wouldn't be.
Your nose is sticking out. If you could be honest and just admit your people have garnered a terrible reputation than maybe we'd ease off but instead you smugly try to use pilpul and feign moral superiority. What crime did I commit? Pattern recognition? Go metzitzuh bpeh somewhere else, foreskin vampire.
Oy Vey! I can't believe I've been foiled again! You tricky anti-semites with your nose for us! Off I scoot in my star-of-david shaped escape pod to plot for my next scheme!
This good little cattle wants to live in the big house with his israeli masters.
But no, I am actually a israelite like you said! Matzos, schmaltz, pilpul etc.!
But I don't understand - is the problem with being israeli, or our- I mean THEIR policies? If it's the latter then being specifically anti-semitic doesn't make sense.
israelite or no israelite you'll share the same ditch all the same.
Basically. Go make israelitechan.
Communicate with only your own people and be disingenuous to each other. Let's see how long you'll last.
But anon, this IS israelitechan. You're a israelite, I'm a israelite. We're all israelites here.
lmao
>"I will pretend to be moronic, that will trick them!"
>pretend
It's a tactic. First they attempt to discredit you then they act clueless and moronic when everyone notices them. Always trying to bypass the natural immune system of Ganker. Sneaky brit milah leeches.
basado
>I'm also not okay with Sony just removing access to digital content people paid for.
Well, I'm only okay with it when Nintendo does.
>Oy vey stop talking about da israelites!
The israelite writhes in pain when you name him. Evidently.
>Or you just use the term to mean 'anyone who disagrees with me'?
it just means egregiously greedy people.
pretty good bait. or maybe you're just young and never have had any old crap, like house built by parents or other older generation, family heirlooms etc.
but yes, you're stupid and haven't thought about your argument through.
Not everyone that is greedy is israeli, but EVERY israelite is a greedy conniving c**t.
>It's not warranted
Cute.
>unwarranted anti-semitism
No such thing
Based
>I'm ok with this isn't an argument
Also
>unwarranted
>unwarranted antisemitism
>literal JIDF with sirens on their heads flooding into the board
>unwarranted
Oh look, a genuine schizo. I'm a lizard person, I'll fry your brains during the enxt full moon if you reply to this post.
I'm
And actually I've been israeli the whole time! Oy Gevalt! I can't believe he found me out!
Klaus Schwab's favorite little goy.
>jews buy movies
>change laws so they dont lose ownership 150 years later
>goys buy someting
>UMMMM YOU DONT OWN THAT JUST BECAUSE YOU PAID FOR IT
>people want to own what they bought
>can't understand why
Do you own the air you breathe? No? Then why breathe.
moron
Do you own that post? That image? Then why did you make them? Methinks you're the moron here.
Stop posting anytime
>Do you own that post?
not him but yes
>Comments are owned by the Poster.
This is true in some cases. For example I would never ever buy some super weeb cartoon game like Persona or Super Robot Wars or Tales of. I may pirate it, I may even enjoy it, but I would never want it to leave any kind of footprint that I've played it.
Same for woke games. I'm just not buying them on principle. Ever. I either pirate it or I never play it.
>saying piracy is okay because no sales are lost if you weren't going to buy anyway
>but saying this in an attempt to convince people who do buy games to pirate them instead
Only if you fail to change anyone's mind is your argument actually correct.
I buy shit because it just works. Piracy isn't hard, but as I got older, I just got sick and tired of troubleshooting a game that isn't working or a game that is crashing on launch. Is it a problem with the game client? The patcher? The .ISO packing? Frick that.
you dont take it though.
taking implies that its gone.
I built my last PC thinking I'm just going to pirate the shit out of everything, and I think for every game I've pirated, I bought 10 more of them.
>there are people ITT who pay for things they can get for free simply by typing a couple words into Google
>Wait, are you just holding on to the can?
1337x.to
rarbg.to
you can find almost anything on these public sites. save it, because games on app stores can and will disappear.
I am stealing and there's nothing you can do about it.
I don't care, I'll do what I want.
>Look, I don't have to excuse myself in any way
he was right
Very much so. I could find the relevant places to pirate or I could pay like £3 for a game that automatically downloads, installs and updates. Great.
>valve refuses to refund me 50 cents for a shitty game that doesn't work
>i start pirating games
he was right
works on my machine
doesn't work on anyone's machine but they still sell it
I meant the refund system, I've never had a problem with it.
This is exactly the logic that makes stealing okay. Not everyone is going to steal, therefore it's fine.
Stealing =/= Discreetly copying for private use.
But that aside, every major industry on earth accounts for stolen goods and scratch so it's fine. The sale is already at such a markup it can be considered theft right out of the gate. Unless 2 individuals are negotiating for things they value equally, someone is going to get the short end of the stick. That's life, a torrent of inequalities.
Shut up commie. You're making the anti-copyright argument look bad.
Stealing and piracy aren't remotely similar, with piracy you just copy the thing and the maker loses no money, with theft you actually steal a physical good and they lose money because they are unable to sell that good anymore.
>reviews: mixed
>read reviews
>IT DOESN'T WORK!
wow!
They refunded me Hunt Down the Freeman on the basis of "I got stuck because of bugs". Bless their hearts for forgiving my curiosity, I've learned my lesson. If it was pirateable at that time it wouldn't have to come down to that.
>valve refuses to refund me 50 cents for a shitty game that doesn't work
How? I've submitted hundreds of refund claims normally with the note poo poo pee pee, and never had one rejected.
>Ganker workout station.jpg
Cant I just install all my Steam games onto an external SSD and play them? Obviously I can if I pirate, but can I do this with my Steam games too?
Of course. It's the same as just choosing a different drive when you install a game.
>BUT IF EVERYONE PIRATED THE INDUSTRY WOULD DISAPPEAR!
Don't worry, there will always be moronic normie cattle to pay unnecessarily for things. The past few years proved that.
>>BUT IF EVERYONE PIRATED THE INDUSTRY WOULD DISAPPEAR!
This industry? In its current state?
Absolutely acceptable.
This. The fact triple A is releasing absolute dogpiss lately and still hitting sales quotas is lamentable. Then they get to keep all their money while moronic goyim cry about it on their reviews. Then they pump out the next piece of underwhelming shit. If these stupid fricking sheep at least pirated the shit games they could see how bad they are AND not give them any money. Maybe see some changes in the industry.
>BUT IF EVERYONE PIRATED THE INDUSTRY WOULD DISAPPEAR!
Literally no downside.
if AAA disappears its good for everyone
>indie pixel shit/AAA dissappears
>we only get middle ground games
>industry improves
i see no downsides
>Piracy has all of the negative impact on the seller without negatively impacting fellow consumers
BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED
I thought I was just stealing from companies I did not like who have studios I like held from a chain and don't credit for any sale.
Turns out It's less morally reprehensible than I thought and there's less collateral against randos.
Deal with it b***h
shit thread
post seed/leech ratios
>well, if I had to pay market price for this game, I simply wouldn't ever, i will just consume other media
>oh I can get it for free? ok then I will do that
zero economic impact, with or without piracy I spend $0
go ahead, pay the billion dollar corporation. They need your money! Look at how many underpaid workers they employ!
>be me
>samples the product
>if I like, I buy
>if not, I toss it out
theft = stealing stuff from a gamestop
piracy results in no lost money for any party.
Why is Ganker the only board on this shithole of a website that gets butthurt over piracy? Literally everyone else knows everyone pirates, recommends you to pirate if it's safe, and doesn't think supporting the creators is worthwhile unless you really wanna give them money, but Gankerirgins act like it's the end of the world that you play 1 game without paying for it.
It's just wanna be indie devs salty their dogshit RPGMaker trash isn't worth buying. It's a small percentage of the Ganker population
except that the proper analogy would be if that cat came to pile of meat, cloned it, took the clone with it and never touched the original
How do you expect a cat to buy food?