>Makes Star Wars fanboys seethe to this day thanks to completely destroying the idea that the jedi are the "good guys"
>Makes Star Wars fanboys seethe to this day thanks to completely destroying the idea that the jedi are the "good guys"
>Makes Star Wars fanboys seethe to this day thanks to completely destroying the idea that the jedi are the "good guys"
That was the point of the prequels.
Ok anakin
The problem is that people have an irrational hatred for the prequels even decades later, so they refuse to give them credit for ideas spawned from the prequels that later SW media copied.
Having a few good ideas doesn't make a good movie. Theres a reason why vidya overtook the prequels in quality.
The thing is if you make a shit movie I won't care about it
>The problem is that people have an irrational hatred for the prequels
It’s a perfectly rational hatred
Holy shit I didn't expect a fpbp in this thread
The jedi were right the whole time though. Anyways the whole Anakin thing was a prophecy story, its like predestination of the force, the events were inevitable. its just a dumb story so whether or not you believe in predestination is irrelevant, it exists in the star wars universe.
Yes and no. If you understand the nature of the living force, it's less 'inevitable' and more 'you fight against fate to make it happen anyway'. If the council hadn't caved then yaboi Vader may never have been a thing. Then again, he'd probably still have gone dark side for a while.
The point being that more often than not Star Wars 'prophecies' are about morons fighting against what they THINK is inevitable, only to play right into the hands of prophecy.
>If the council hadn't caved then yaboi Vader may never have been a thing.
If the creepy cult hadn't taken Anakin from his mother to never see her again and then let her rot on Tatooine until she was brutally raped and killed by sandBlack folk than maybe he wouldn't have become Vader.
This is why
is pure headcanon, the Jedi are so fundamentally flawed that even Lucas did not mean for this negative interpretation of them to exist.
Luke in RotJ has lost most of his humanity and sounds like a robot because he was indoctrinated into their creepy cult too. If Lucas had a real plan then Luke would have actually rejected the Jedi entirely and used his force powers for something better instead of opening yet another Jedi school (Which Lucas allowed to be made canon in the old legacy universe).
George's real plan was to make to Luke Grandmaster and form the NJO. He kinda knew that storyline was too big for a movie trilogy.
>George's real plan was to make to Luke Grandmaster and form the NJO.
Which is not rejecting the old Jedi order whatsoever, but fully embracing it. So it must have not been that flawed to Lucas.
Even Luke's courageous decision to save his friends against Yoda and Ben's strong objections in Empire are not framed as Luke having done the right thing. Luke never has a moment where he realizes his masters are flawed and he must pick a different path. He rejects the dark side in RotJ and nothing more.
I dunno about that, he seemed pretty willing to take on older pupils in Jedi Academy for example. I imagine some aspects were the same of course, but with an incomplete education of the ways I imagine he had to make shit up.
The Truce of Bakura to Dark Empire storyline pretty much shows Luke was self-aware of his flaws. Even in Dark Empire Luke knew he fricked up by becoming Sidious' apprentice and need others if they want to help the galaxy.
Death Watch (the "bad" Mandalorians) hate the Fetts and somehow Fetts aren't recognized as true mandos, the honorable ones. Again ignored the Filioni shit and read Open Seasons.
no it was not
jedi were always meant to be the good guys because the whole conflict between jedi and sith is meant to symbolize lucas' own worldview where true happiness comes from living for others
Based. Only people with ascended taste appreciate the prequels
Prequel enjoyers are the type able to see past Lucas' slightly moronic writing and directing to the gold underneath. You legitimately have to have a high iq to like the prequels.
This is the real biggest problem with the Jedi order and Luke's new order in the EU went about trying to fix this, too bad Disney went full moron and nuked it and then ruined Luke.
>see past Lucas' slightly moronic writing and directing to the gold underneath
Ideas are fricking easy, anon. The biggest morons on the planet can have good ideas. Execution is the only thing that matters.
From certain point of view
From my point of view the Jedis are the good guys.
It made me seethe because I got lost in Goto's Yacht.
Also got cucked from other Nar Shadda content by playing sum pazzak
Come to think of it, why did this level make me running around downloading random shit from consoles etc.
I can't see how this enriched my experience of playing goto's yacht in anyway.
Prequels already did that, moron. Even the original trilogy did if you pay attention.
And here comes the seethe. How predictable.
What are you talking about? Everyone likes kotor 2.
Both of those posts just said that this idea has been done before and better, they're not seething in any way. Are your debating skills really this weak?
possibly, but it is more likely that he just isnt intelligent.
>Even the original trilogy did if you pay attention.
In what way?
>True, the Sith may get high on murderous rage and destroy planets just to raise their power levels...
>But the Jedi act holier-than-thou sometimes, so really they're just as bad as the Sith!
Wow, really makes me think
The argument was more
>The Jedi engage with their stupid bullshit and keep perpetuating endless wars, frick them too.
>Sith try and commit various flavours of genocide
>the Jedi are the only ones capable of stopping them
>both sides are equally at fault
moronic take.
>jedi falls to the dark side
>becomes a sith
>kills billions of people
>this somehow isn't the fault of the jedi teachings when it happens multiple times per generation
you act as if the sith just grow outta the ground
The sith literally were a species of evil force users and their teachings spawned an entire idealogy.
The point is that the Kedi don't actually destroy the evil because they try to perpetuate themselves, which leads to more Sith.
It's an unsuited political analogy, anon.
I understand what Kreia is trying to say, but that's the result of some fedora wearing moron trying to shoehorn in some topical policial message. Star Wars has always had the Sith as pure evil and the Jedi range from absolute good guys to flawed but well meaning trying to be good guys. Kotor 2 is an amazing game if you remove the edgelord nonsense about the Jedi being just as bad as the sith.
Not really the emperor is the only unsympathetic sith.
Palpatine Emperor or Vitiate Emperor?
Yes
>I understand what Kreia is trying to say,
kreia is an interesting character but shes a reductionist and that means shes inherently subversive, you cant take her seriously or assume shes making arguments in good faith. The writers are hacks if their intention was to show that the grey area was the best path for jedi.
The whole point in the jedi is to be logical and not let emotions rule over you but instead use logic, awareness/empathy or whatever you want to call it, its like the enlightenment of the star wars universe, jedi are basically Buddhas with magic powers. The whole point in the sith is to surrender to your base animalistic instincts and emotions, its a belief system for psychopaths, thats why canonically you only had 2 sith, a master and a subservient apprentice, any more and they start killing each other and draw too much attention to each other. (sith apprentices often did kill their masters anyways). Thats why The emperor was trying to make luke his new apprentice and have him kill vader and vader as asking luke to join him in killing the emperor and ruling together. Its an inherently power hungry and violent belief.
The jedi are the counter balance to this, with a belief system based around living in co-existence and not subjugating people.
If you see the jedi and sith as two sides of the same coin you dont understand star wars at all.
>If you see the jedi and sith as two sides of the same coin you dont understand star wars at all.
Sith result from degenerated Jedi that can't bear to turn themselves into a near-robot because "muh will of the Force" and so do a complete 180, like how many fascists were ex-communists and how many fedora-tippers grew up in extra zealous families.
So yes, the Jedi and the inflexibility of their teachings is at fault
For teachings to be effective, they have to account for the shortcomings of their followers. A diet that 99 percent of the population is incapable of adhering to is not an effective weight loss solution. The Jedi Code is tailored only to a particular subset of the Jedi population, but the order still takes many more force sensitives under their wings and trains them up to be effective at combat and manipulation despite the fact that they are mentally incapable of internalizing Jedi temperance.
the Mandalorian War essentially proves the Jedi doctrine completely wrong about everything yet still morons here insist it's just the students to blame.
The jedi didn't spawn the sith you fricking moron
were and was. every "modern" sith in KOTOR is a fallen Jedi, and half the sith in the PT and OT are fallen Jedi. Exar Kun, Revan, Malak, Kreia, Sion, Nihilus, Dooku, Vader and most inquisitors. All former Jedi. the jedi teachings are flawed and lead to countless needless deaths because it does not properly address many of the issues these people have, and so they turn.
>be Jedi
>be exposed to Sith knowledge and teachings
>become a Sith
>see it's really the Jedi's fault
No
if the jedi teachings addressed the frustrations and feelings of those people they wouldn't have a reason to leave to seek the contrast. instead yoda tells anakin to get over his constant death premonitions because lol da force, instead of helping him cope with them.
the jedi failing them is what gets them to leave, becoming an evil mass murderer is the result of evil cartoon villain corrupting space magic. plenty left the order and don't become mass murderers, like Jolee Bindo, or light side Exile and so on. but the jedi set up these people for failure rather regularly.
Yoda's advice was sound for a proper Jedi, which Anakin was not. A proper Jedi would have understood that death is an inevtiable occurance and that he shouldn't become emotionally invested into people to the point where grief might turn them to the dark side. It was Anakin who ignored the Jedi teachings and married in secret when he was already an emotionally volatile young man. It was Anakin who continued to lie about it when he sought Yoda's council. Maybe if he had been honest with him then Yoda could have actually helped him and prevented him from falling.
yoda's advice was sound for someone who hasn't had an emotional response to anything for centuries. platitudes about your religion are fine and all but that doesn't actually help people who are struggling to get over the zen hurdle
>how do I cope with this master
>just do it lol
doesn't help anyone, you're just repeating mantras instead of actually teaching someone to overcome these attachments.
Yoda's advice was sound to a Jedi who hadn't already broken the "no attachements" rule, which effectively was a no-marriage rule (with noteable exceptions for certain Jedi Masters who could be trusted to resist strong emotions). If Anakin hadn't broken the code by marrying Padme in the first place his fear of losing her wouldn't have been able to push him to the dark side.
>haha you can't lose something if you have nothing to lose
imagine telling the ex-slave this and thinking it's good advice. I'm glad we now know without a shadow of a doubt that Yoda and Obi-Wan were complete fricking losers and Luke was the only good Jedi.
Yes, this is exactly how it works. The Jedi Order isn't a club house, or Dr. Xavier's school for mutants. It's a monastic order and it has strict rules and standards that every member is expected to uphold. Jedi are charged with authority to protect the Republic and have a defacto liscense to kill. At the same time each Jedi is a super-human who can do very nasty things to non-Force users on a whim, and live under a constant, ever-present temptation to do just that.
then don't be surprised when people poke holes in your gay ass doctrine and go off to do their own thing because they're sick of playing monk for no real gain.
Like almost every single Sith Lord that ever lived for the last couple millennia
Nobody "plays monk" for gain, it is literally a life where you are expected to foresake wealth, posessions, and earthly pleasures. You do understand what a monk is right?
And the fact that some Jedi fall to the dark side isn't proof of an inherent flaw in the Order itself; most Jedi will never fall to the dark side at all, and some will dip their toe in it and eventually correct themselves. There is no one perfect set of teachings or code that would prevent 100% of Jedi from falling, some people are just inherently emotionally unstable like Anakin, or secretly buttholes like Revan, Malak, and Kreia.
And you're also missing the point that nobody is actually forced to remain a Jedi. Jolee Bindo and Count Dooku both left the Order. And it's highly unlikely that a Force-trained super human can't find gainful employment with that sort of skill set.
They expect the benefit of gaining spiritual enlightenment. What fricking enlightenment did Anakin have by sticking with them? We have the likes of Obi-Wan, Yoda and Windu who in their orthodoxy accomplished jack fricking shit and left a huge mess for Luke, someone with a brain who didn't bow to their gay code on all matters, to clean up.
yeah I think I'd blame Palpatine for that
>Obi-Wan sits his ass down in a desert to wait for Luke to fix the problem, made worse by the new show where he could have killed Vader easily
>Yoda is even worse considering he wasn't even protecting anyone on Dagobah
>Windu
the jedi should've kept anakin in the temple focusing on the spiritual aspects of his training, instead they throw him head first into war.
I firmly believe that this is the whole point and the intended message. That while the Sith represents the classic "chaotic" set of strength and weaknesses, the Jedi represents the "order" set as well. Which is that in their conservative approach to their doctrine, they are incapable to adapt to change and all it took is one smart patient man to completely unravel it all using the resistance caused by their refusal to change against them. They never thought a Sith would change its approach and bid his time.
Anakin was very likely incapable of enlightenment, or at the very least far from it. Enlightenment isn't part of a fricking compensation package, your incredibly naive view on spiritualism sounds like picking and choosing a belief system and creed based on how much it pays you which is so fricking stupid and inherently flawed. If you're that incapable of abstract thought then yes the only thing to do is leave it and talk shit about it because clearly it can't be your fault.
except Anakin did seek out Yoda multiple times for guidance and all he got is a
>just do it lmao
as if his advice isn't fricking unthinkable to almost everyone who actually has shit to lose like a family or a livelihood. Really, being a Jedi is a shit deal if you aren't one of the lucky few that can force ghost yourself
I agree that Anakin needed better guidance; Obi-Wan was a wise Jedi Master but he seemed not up to the task of dealing with his pupil and his very overt emotional erruptions. Then again we're not given any real indication that Anakin is even interested in pursuing spiritual enlightenment, going solely from The Clone Wars and Revenge of the Sith he shows a very consistent pattern of only showing interest in gaining Masterhood as quickly as possible so that others will have to respect him, and that he believes they are concealing secrets about the Force that could increase his power. This and staying close to Padme of course.
Then there's this accusation that it's the Jedi Order's fault that Palpatine came to power in the first place, a sentiment that's also echoed in RotS without any explanation. I can't conceive of any change in teachings that would have allowed them to sniff him out sooner. What is the smoking gun that makes Palpatine go from being a cunning and ambitious politician to a Sith Lord hiding in plain sight?
I dunno man I feel like the council could've done more to actually try to instill their beliefs and teachings onto him, they basically just paid basic lipservice to their ideals without the how or ways to deal with having those attachments despite being a jedi. Like when a child does something wrong you scold them, tell them why what they did is wrong and what they can do to avoid doing such things in the future. Yoda only hits the first 2, when Anakin asks "what can I do" his response is literally "just do it lol." which again isn't very helpful. Yoda could've given him actual things to do to try to overcome the flaw. People form attachments to things, it's just human nature, you'd think they'd have all sorts of curriculum and teachings that address those feelings in meaningful ways instead of just saying repeatedly to get over it.
This is so wrong it's not even funny. Anakin would never have even been trained in the ways of the Jedi if it hadn't of been for Qui-Gon openly disregarding the Jedi order's command not to tutor him.
Also;
> Dark side of the force is rising in strength but you don't know where.
> Jedi master who is a known maverick brings in this obviously problematic kid who he says is more powerful in the force than the green shit himself.
> Maybe not teaching him might be a good idea hmmmmmmmm
Qui-Gon;
> Lol whatever gay.
Even without knowing about sheev's role in his creation it seems to me it would be a better idea to keep someone with that potential in a place where you can keep a close eye on them, and guide their training, as opposed to just letting him wander off into the sunset. To get into all kinds of trouble.
Seems to me the logical thing to do would be to take over the senate.
>I'm not an evil dickhead, the jedi just failed me!
lol
lmao
That is how it works. Evil is just a word society uses to shift blame from its failures.
Here comes the fedora philosophy crowd
It's really a mental health crisis, more than anything. Also we need better, more sensible lightsaber regulation.
Underrated.
kinda. modern Sith are New Sith, they have less in common with the ones you see in Tales of the Jedi or Swtor. the New Sith is basically all the sith knowledge codified and reformed by Darth Ruin, one of the lost 20 Jedi masters. Though, The Banite sith all descend from a card carrying Sith, Bane.
not him but, Force users seem to randomly pop out of the universe quite often tbh. Just seems like chance some of them are buttholes
The Sith arnt fallen Jedi, moron. There are a few defectors but the vast majority of them were Sith from the start. Its its own religion with its own teachings and history that evolved completely separately to the Jedi until the two religions met and clashed after the advance of Space travel
This is a half-truth. The original "Lords of the Sith" were a faction of Jedi who wanted to change the order to include studying the dark side. This was the first so-called Jedi Civil War. The rebel dark Jedi who survived were exiled and eventually settled on the planet Korriban, where they enslaved the native population with their superior knowledge of the Force. So no, the Sith and the Jedi teachings are intimately entwined, even the Sith code basically being a spiteful response to the Jedi code.
Why is prominent Jedi falling to the dark side constantly a thing but never prominent Sith falling to the light side. Does that even happen? Does a Sith Lord ever get a pressing urge to do something good and have to resist it?
>does that even happen
That's what happens to light side Revan in Kotor 1, and Kylo Ren in the last sequel trilogy movie. but the dark side seems to have a much more severe effect on the psyche of the person it's influencing, twisting them become recognition.
Kylo Ren had some of that in the sequels, where he was actively resisting doing the good thing. Of course everything about those movies was a disaster so it wasn't handled very well.
This thing to keep in mind is that the dark side of the force is not a natural things its a cancer on the force proper and falling to it acts similar to cancer cells for for ya persons sense of self and morality.
crime doesn't pay
>but never prominent Sith falling to the light side
You're joking, right?
Sith actually came before the Jedi and were like Mandalorian monks.
The jedi can stop them but wont because force bullshit
>A few jedi and sith go to war for pointless bullshit
>Death toll: 20 billion civilians
>sith consumes entire planets for sustenance
>jedi try to stop him
>the jedi are equally at fault
no, this game has and always will be "I took a freshman philosophy class" tier writing
The better question regarding jedi is if they should really step in or not when hostile forces that aren't Sith begin making moves, like the Mandos. They may have killed many more if not for Revan, but in acting Revan fell to the dark side and killed many by his own hand.
>take flawed logic of movie jedi from OT and prequels
>apply it to a real war, with real scenarios
>find it makes no sense and youre actually pretty bad for having that flawed logic
>make a game on it
>19 years later some gay thinks hes witty because he didnt get it.
very clean anon, very moronic.
it's more
>the jedi don't address the human condition well enough so people who are prone to emotional outbursts have no coping mechanisms and end up feeling ostracized from their sect because of it, eventually turning to less than noble causes
The complete ban of any sort of knowledge is not only wrong, it is insidious, especially with masters like Windu being allowed to walk that thin line. The inflexibility of their doctrines also caused wars and spawned enemies out of thin air. Anakin saved countless people including powerful members of senate and has been a bodyguard for royalty. Yet the masters didn't like his tone so they denied his faith's reward.
This approach may work and be sane when it comes from within. But here it is forced and any deviation from their way paint you as an enemy.
Except that Anakin himself was aware of his shortcomings, of the red flags he was presenting.
>Something’s happening. I’m not the Jedi I should be. I want more. And I know I shouldn’t.
You think the masters didn't see the darkness inside him? What a load of crap this post is. He wasn't fit to serve on the council, it isn't about his fricking power level.
This isn't about his power level. You would let a member of your organization body guard a princess and personally send him to rescue the most important member of the senate but not share his talent and perspective with the council ?
He wants recognition and never gets it. There is a deliberate message in this outcome too.
There is a big difference between trusting one of the most talented force users in galactic history to be competent enough to protect a little girl and giving him a seat reserved for the most wise and even keeled Jedi alive. Anakin never once demonstrated the level of maturity required for it. What's his input going to be? "Yeah and then a cut off BOTH HIS HANDS and it was totally bad ass!" They aren't there to discuss what stance to use to counter Type IV or how high they can force jump.
none of the masters on that council had an ounce of wisdom.
Oh you know, except for all of the ones who knew Anakin was bad news, which was all of them
but not the Chancellor of their very own fricking Republic.
Anakin was the one that told Mace Dindu about him
And Mace was WISE enough to know that he should stay behind. But Anakin defied him, and what Mace knew in his wisdom could happen, did.
>senses Anakin is conflicted and afraid
>doesn't think to ask why, just orders him to stay put like a slave
you just laid out how moronic the jedi are without knowing it
>You know what Anakin, let's have a nice sit down chat right now to discuss this right here and now. The Sith Lord running the Republic? Oh he can wait, I want to talk about your feelings.
>waltz into the Chancellor's chambers with 3 goons and start a fricking fight giving Palpatine the perfect excuse to purge them
well done, and here I thought Jedi were supposed to be patient.
Never got realized in the films, but Windu was an absolute jackass in TCW.
Mace wasn't very wise to attack a supposed sith lord in a private room with no witnesses. If he was really wise he would've arrested the man on the streets, if Sheev goes mask off he's done. If he's arrested and takes a Midi-chlorian test he'd be confirmed as a force user and can be properly dealt with. instead he tries the murder the man in his own office, given Sheev the perfect cover story.
>instead he tries the murder the man in his own office
That's not what happened though? FOUR Jedi Masters went to arrest him, four of them. Not to execute him, to arrest him. Their only criticism is not sending more, but honestly I don't think anyone would expect one dude to take down four fricking Jedi masters solo.
what did he think was going to happen? A man whose entirely ideology is power over all else would surrender peacefully in a completely private setting? The only way arresting him would EVER work is if they leveraged his needed public opinion against him, arrest him during a senate meeting or while he's on the way into the building.
>A man whose entirely ideology is power over all else would surrender peacefully in a completely private setting?
No? Which is why they came in and immediately activated their sabers
>The only way arresting him would EVER work is if they leveraged his needed public opinion against him, arrest him during a senate meeting or while he's on the way into the building.
Lmao now it sounds like you agree with Mace at the end of the duel, too dangerous to be left alive. Doing any of that shit would only make them look like they were forcefully deposing him, easy spin for Palpatine to make.
>Lmao now it sounds like you agree with Mace at the end of the duel, too dangerous to be left alive.
that is not at all what I said. like frick dude I even said in my first post on this subject
>f he was really wise he would've arrested the man on the streets, if Sheev goes mask off he's done. If he's arrested and takes a Midi-chlorian test he'd be confirmed as a force user and can be properly dealt with. instead he tries the murder the man in his own office, given Sheev the perfect cover story.
arresting him in public would ensure he couldn't start blasting lightning out of his hands without completely blowing his cover and all his plans, and once he was imprisoned they could've sussed out his schemes from there.
Arresting him in public would 100% make it look like the Jedi were forcefully taking over the republic's democratic systems.
and arresting him in his office doesn't? Palpatine making a power grab for the empire after the war has concluded doesn't make it look like he's trying to take over the republic's democratic system? It's very easy, simply declare suspicions of sith ties to Sheev, and cite his incredibly suspicious unwillingness to relinquish his wartime power as a reason.
they can't buy his story if he can't resist the arrest
>and arresting him in his office doesn't?
Uh, yes? Arrest him, control the narrative. Arresting him privately, successfully, would have put an end to it. Arresting him publicly, successfully, and Palpatine would have still been able to control the narrative. The Jedi's only frick up was not sending Yoda along with the rest of them to get the job done.
explain to me how arresting him privately in the dead of night somehow doesn't mean the same thing while giving Sheev an opportunity to do a spot of murder and get away with it
because, again, you have him in your custody. You get to control his exposure, his ability to weave his lies. If you do it publically all you're doing is handing him ammunition.
>giving Sheev an opportunity to do a spot of murder and get away with it
They sent one of the most accomplished dualists in Jedi history, PLUS 3 more masters, to arrest one Sith Lord. One Sith Lord is normally countered by one Jedi Master. Maybe they should have been more careful, but Palpatine just happened to also be one of the most accomplished dualists in Sith history in addition to his moronicly powerful force use. He's basically number two all time, hard to argue they should have known that.
>you have him in your custody
unless he chooses to pull out an evil laser sword and shooting lightning out of his hands with 0 consequence because there are no witnesses, then you don't have him your custody at all. funny how that works eh?
Funny how you totally ignored the rest of my post because it already addressed what you just said.
I didn't address it because it's a moot point, why even risk it when you can take him in peacefully? Because he could yell "I'm being framed" while getting put in the back of the transport? His allies would just say it anyway, so who cares? Instead you try to arrest the guy, he kills off half your council immediately and gets disfigured enough to claim the jedi tried to violently usurp him. nice man good plan
The only reason they know he is Sidious is because he told Anakin, Sidious knew the Jedi would confront him so he would already have plans to not reveal himself and perfectly counter whatever the Jedi do. If they do it publicly Sidious would work the crowd in his favour and it would be perfect justification to start order 66 and other Jedi might turn on their own looking at this brazen coup against their chancellor. Windu only trusted a handful of Jedi with the Sidious confrontation it would be a hard sell the Jedi are patriotic to the Republic
>Doing any of that shit would only make them look like they were forcefully deposing him
It's the same thing as what they did, but with witnesses. How does that translate to a worse outcome?
>Senate buys Papatine's story hook line and sinker with only his word that it was true
>How would it be worse if there was witness proof?
Yes, dipshit. If the outcome was already that everyone believes Palpatine and he becomes emperor then, by definition, it cannot possibly be worse with witnesses. Are you moronic?
So by your logic you would have to know the fricking future? KYS
No, you just need the basic understanding that it is, in fact, possible to arrest public figures in a public setting and not have that magically result in that public figure becoming emperor of the universe. Anyone without a double digit IQ is immediately capable of understanding this.
>controls the courts and senate
>able to sell a story that was literally anecdotal evidence by him to purge the jedi
>doesn't think he would be able to do the same if he had actual evidence
again he was only able to spin the story at all because he successfully evaded being arrested. if he was nabbed in public he couldn't shoot the ol lightning hands without confirming the sith charges, so he'd had to go quietly. then it's just a matter of locking him up in one of those fancy force restraints. hard to give a statement when you're locked behind an entire order of wizards with laser swords
He would have spun the same shit during his trial, and since he controlled the courts anyway he would have gotten away and THEN purged the Jedi.
correct me if I'm wrong but couldn't the jedi hold their own hearings on the matter of sheev being a sith lord? not like sith fall under republic jurisdiction
Yes, the Jedi were able to arrest Palpatine, par one of the contingency orders allows them to arrest the chancellor. However if the Jedi did it without solid reasons, they'll lose support of the senate. Plus, the Jedi order as a whole would look bad to the republic if they announced the possibly of the sith's survival.
Evidence of what? Police are allowed to arrest public figures. What are you having trouble with?
The Jedi are not the fricking police, holy shit did you miss the entire point of the dilemma the Jedi were in for that whole trilogy?
The Jedi have a wide range of authority, including "peace-keeping" if the need arises.
That's like saying the Secret Service should just arrest the President, no eyebrows raised.
>Under the direction of the Secretary of Homeland Security, officers and agents of the Secret Service are authorized to make arrests without warrant for any offense against the United States committed in their presence, or for any felony cognizable under the laws of the United States if they have reasonable grounds to believe that the person to be arrested has committed or is committing such felony;
>let me copy paste some definition and turn my brain off and pretend if they ever arrested the President no one would have any question about it.
obviously there would be questions, but that is why you answer those questions with "we think he's a big evil space wizard who wants to keep his wartime power and might've funded a proxy war to divide the galaxy while giving him an excuse to have unfettered power during the war"
Not to mention, with Sidious in jail and Dooku and Grievous dead the Clone Wars would straight up end after confronting the Executive Separatist Council and telling the scaredy-cat leaders that their hooded boss is now in jail.
And Palpatine, controlling the courts, would fix the trial and get off now with concrete evidence that the Jedi just tried to overthrow the Republic. Mace was right, too dangerous to be left alive.
>he would fix the courts
which is why the trial should be run by the jedi as a matter of his being a sith.
Oh right, no bad optics on that one huh? Run your own "trial", nothing to spin there.
seeing as the jedi are space autists who operate on a spiritual level more than a physical logical one, why not?
>the jedi are corrupt!
is a pretty hard sell considering who it is you're leveling that accusation at. it only works for sheev because he managed to maim himself to sell the story that he was attacked by them in his office
>it only works for sheev because he managed to maim himself to sell the story that he was attacked by them in his office
he was literally mind controlling all of the senators. Thats not me shitposting, thats literally canon, he could have said
>hibbity hoo
>fliberty gee
>The Jedi eat hotdogs
>Give emergency powers to me!
And it would have been just as convincing an argument.
you don't need to.
Him being the organizer of the Confederates is more than enough
Did they have any proof of that though? They literally just take Anakin's word for it that he's a sith
Frist question, no. Second question, they lower the search to within the Chancellor's circle. Had Anakin and Obi-wan captured that Holotransceiver in Labyrinth of Evil, it would've been game over for Sidious.
>the secret service can't arrest the president
>yes they can
>o-okay, b-b-but people would w-want to know why
wew
Sorry what did I say, oh yes, "should just arrest the President, no eyebrows raised."
Not CAN'T
You fricking illiterate homosexual.
The secret service is absolutely empowered and should arrest the president, no eyebrows raised, if they know or witness him committing a felony. That is literally part of their job and explicitly within their mandate.
Did you mean the to say they couldn't arrest him without the public raising their eyebrows? They were already going to arrest him. The options are arrest him privately or arrest him publicly. If your position is that arresting him at all would make people wonder why, then I don't even know what the frick you're b***hing about. The arrest is not what's being argued, only the setting in which the arrest occurs.
the difference is that Jedi were enforcers of Republic laws yet were intertwined with its politics since the Ruusan reformations around 1000 bby. By the time of the clone wars, the order was losing its legitimacy as an institution, the Naboo Crisis making that clear to the public.
if that secret service also served as the guardians of a magical space phenomena that had a clear evil ideological opposite sure.
Secret Service barely have a service record.
Meanwhile the secret police of Star Wars has a silly long track record.
But that isn´t the point. The point is that by the time of episode I, what remains of the Republic is a skeleton left by the Jedi.
And the Jedi themselves are a skeleton of rites and rituals. instead of being the warriors armed to the teeth that created a interstellar civilization with the sole goal of destroying the Sith.
And shit has gotten so bad, the civilization they created get unsurped by ONE sith.
To give that one Sith the credit he deserves, he understood patience to a Godly degree and took the order down through decades long meticulous planning and chipping away at their glaring weaknesses.
That and he was actually really fricking powerful, which is a testament to his patience, he could have gone into the Temple solo and would probably been able to easily mop the floor with 80% of their Jedi before meeting some actual competition from the top dogs.
They are absolutely the Star Wars equivalent of the police. This is trivial. They couldn't operate as they do without that legal authority.
What the frick police officer is negotiating peace treaties? Jedi are not police.
And diplomats are not fighting on the front lines of a war. It turns out the Jedi are capable of being more than one thing at the same time. Why is the news to you?
>arrest him during a senate meeting
Palpatine would just start hurling the big hover chairs at them like he did Yoda
Probably not a good look for Palpatine to confirm the allegations in front of everyone
>oh no our leader is a bad gu-
>sweet my paycheck is here, what was I getting so worked up over again?
only confirming his status as a sith lord
>And Mace was WISE enough to know that he should stay behind
He was moronic enough to march with three or four of his buddies into the Sith Lord's chamber alone at night. He practically took the law into his own hands
You seem to assume I'm saying Anakin should have been promoted to master. Please take a moment to read my original post again. My point isn't in their refusal, it's in their inflexible approach to their doctrine. Anakin wanted recognition most of all and have his faith restored. This is what Palpatine provided that the Jedi wouldn't before the ultimate lure of power sealed the deal.
There is a fair criticism of the Jedi ways in this outcome. It effectively created an enemy out of thin air amplified by their revealed hypocrisy in assassinating a member of senate with no trial.
>Anakin wanted recognition most of all
He got recognition.
>Calm down, Anakin. You have been given a great honor. To be on the Council at your age. It's never happened before.
But it wasn't good enough. Again returning to Anakin's own words, he wanted MORE. He was weak, and Palpatine dug into that. That should be the Jedi's fault? That Anakin was a greedy little shit? He bought into his own press and wouldn't hear a word from anyone who wouldn't feed into that, simple as.
>That should be the Jedi's fault?
Yes, considering they allowed Palpatine to reach the highest authority in the fricking galaxy without suspecting a damn thing
This isn't what we are discussing, how Palpatine rose to power is a separate issue entirely.
Your hatred of Anakin will not change the fact of things, anon. just like
said, their ideology or at the very least the way they put it into practice is flawed and their inflexibility will continuously create rebels to their cause only with the power to manipulate minds and crush your windpipe.
And Obi Wan is his friend, not the Jedi Order.
>That should be the Jedi's fault?
I mean, he's been with them since he was 9 so... yeah? However he's been raised, it's his caretaker's fault
>jedi = israelites
>empire = nazis
Jedi die during Order 66
>after the fall of the Empire Luke rewrites the history books so there were 6 gorillion
AJAB
Making that redhead girl a forcegay just by talking to her a couple of times was insane.
I love that you can be a total butthole about it
>I taught you to open yourself to the Force and now you can't shut out all that LIFE on Nar Shadaa and it's driving you insane
>if you want it to stop, you gotta become my pupil lmao
You can do that? I don't have the cut content mod.
It was weird because I made her a sith and she still kinda b***hed at me when I killed sum old guy on another planet
she sucks and I'm glad the walking carpet murdered her. Learning that to turn away from his strength is far more kino than han solo but breasts.
i hate the influence system in kotor 2 since some party members can be completely exhausted of all dialogue in a single conversation (mira, visas) while others have just barely enough influence checks in the game to unlock their final dialogues
kotor 1 tying this stuff to levels was much better
Every jedi who pulled the (lightsaber) trigger on every mando or MIGGERS as I like to call them did nothing wrong.
all twilek women owe me sex
How did Kreia plan to kill the force with the Exile? I don't remember or was it just force magic or something
I don't remember exactly, I think the plan was:
Place him on that evil planet and persuade him to become a beacon so force users come and he kills them
>him
Star Wars is one of the most embarrassing IPs to ever become popular. It's garbage fantasy in space and the fact that grown men in this thread are debating it is honestly hilarious. It's not some muh grey morality tale. It's a knights and wizards fantasy adventure in space. That's it. Grow the frick up
>It's a knights and wizards fantasy adventure in space. That's it.
and?
It's for children. It's for actual 10 year olds.
And?
>UUUUU I DON'T LIKE WHAT YOU LIKE AND DESPITE NOT LIKING IT ENOUGH THAT I SHOULD JUST IGNORE IT, I TOOK MINUTES OF MY LIFE TO LET YOU KNOW THAT I DISAPROVE OF YOU LIKING THE THING AND I VERY VERY MUCH HOPE THAT YOU WILL GIVE ME ATTENTION OK? PLEASE BE TRIGGERED AND OFFENDED BY MY CONTRARIAN TAKE!
Sad.
Best star wars game to this day still and it wasn't even finished
I like the big ideas but the game was kinda shit tbh
Revan did nothing wrong until he went full moron with Malak.
Idk what habbened there but whatever.
Man went frickn crazy I guess
Malak is the main reason why I find the "maybe Revan never fell" shit Kreia spouts as really hard to believe because you'd think Malak as his second in command would be aware of whatever plan Revan had in mind, especially in the case where he dies or goes missing.
Yeee, they were both definitely just batshit insane after whatever they did on who knows where.
Ripping ur bros jaw out and glassing people don't really indicate antihero or whatever
>Makes Star Wars fanboys seethe to this day thanks to completely destroying the idea that the jedi are the "good guys"
Fixed that image for you anon.
Revenge of the Sith came out after KOTOR 2 idiot
All 3 movies were conceived at once.
Yeah, Lucas had the idea of Vader being scarred in a lava planet while fighting Obi-Wan literal decades before he made the prequels
If Jedi were allowed to have sex there wouldn't be dozens and dozens of cases where padawans are LITERALLY seduced to the dark side because a passionate sith is allowed to actually show them emotion and attention. Seriously what the frick were they thinking, deflowering naive padawans and training them into your frickdoll apprentices is the favorite pastime of sith lords
Definitely the main way sith get dark jedi, they seduce the frick out of then, then actually frick the light side out if them
Lucas apparently confirmed that Jedi are celibate, but not abstinent. A Jedi is allowed lust, not attachment.
Obi Wan very obviously banged Satine a good couple of times.
moronic, edgy cringe dogshit
>Makes Star Wars fanboys seethe to this day thanks to completely destroying the idea that the jedi are the "good guys"
Whoops here's the real image I was looking for
shit film, still better than the other two shitqels and aotc at least
"deconstructing" star wars is eye rolling at best. nobody asked for that.
>Makes Star Wars fanboys seethe to this day thanks to completely destroying the idea that the jedi are the "good guys"
The actual moment that made everyone seethe about this.
that zoom out is actually insane. film school tier dogshit
>WAKEY WAKEY BEN
Why'd he jump?
Overconfident and blinded by rage
It’s a callback to Obi Wan killing Mail in ep 1. I always assumed he told Anakin about it at some point and Anakin thought he could pull it off too.
>killing
In a universe where stabbing someone kills them in a few minutes, he managed to survive being cut in half and falling thousands of feet
Being too angry to die is an established darkside power.
See Darth Sion for the object example. Or the sith assassin skin you get from the DLC from the force unleashed where you're a couple of chunks of hamburger jammed into an assassin droid.
Sort of the dark reflection of being a force ghost.
its literally in the webm
>you underestimate my power
ego
>i'll try spinning; that's a good trick
Because Obi Wan told him about Darth Maul's defeat, and Anakin didn't know that Obi Wan decided to develope a counter to that strategy after performing it.
Space Jesus thinks he is invincible
Imagine making these threads for over a decade just to spite an anime character from 35 years ago whose morals you don't agree with
Somehow, Palpatine returned.
>Strangles Padme
>YOU TURNED HER AGAINST ME
Anakin is moronic.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
>Anak-ACK!
>not An-ACK-in
>that first shot
Dr. Anakin, I am Jedi Council.
Did Sheev really have unlimited power at this point?
that shot of the city is really beautiful. did the nu-trilogy even have cities? they were ust no fricking rocks and grass the entire time
I didn't watched the third one, but i think the casino and the not-coruscant planet
lmfao wasnt that casino literally in a fricking rock
Honestly i can't remember. But i wouldnt be surprised if you are right
This franchise has some good games but it's also where I first noticed the modern critical theory type writing seeping into games. That type of writing that's like, sure the sith are rage fueled murderers but the jedi are kinda mean too so aren't they just as bad? And the game really tries to sell this to you. It almost does a good job, you really find yourself thinking that way sometimes.
the jedi and the sith are both bad because they're bickering children
>on peragus
>90% of my time is just listening to holomessages
Holy shit why are there so many. Wtf
> Iq 130 - Jedi
> Midwit - Grey Jedi
> Iq 70 - Sith
>grey jedi
cringe, there are no "grey jedi," at most you might have jedi who decided to frick off like Bindo, but are still ex-jedi, or maybe primitive/uncontacted force users who never learned jedi or sith teachings
The problem is that there's two fundamentally opposed understandings of what balance to the Force actually means. The canon/Lucas idea is that Light Side is balance, and Dark Side is balance corrupted, rotted; and yet the more widely believed but inaccurate idea is that an equal amount of Light and Dark is balance, and that's why there was no balance in the prequels: because there was a bazillion Jedi and only a couple Sith.
With the former, a Grey Jedi is a moronic idea; with the latter where both Light and Dark should naturally exist, a "muh neutral" class works.
even calling it the light side kinda just perpetuates the misunderstanding
I've dropped the usage of light side, to me there's just the force, and those who would abuse it, the dark side.
Its true though. The jedi keep recruiting because every connection dilutes power from the source. The sith have the rule of 2 to avoid the over dilution of the force.
Who was right here?
>my new empire
so Anakin absolutely was planning on killing Palpatine and would've if Obi-Wan didn't beat him?
Probably, by that point Anakin is basically consumed by the dark side, he only cares for his ambition and Padme
he didn't even care about her given he force chokes the shit outta her for basically no reason
Reminder that George has confirmed he wrote this to seethe about Bush
Which eceleb played kotor2 on stream? Or is it switch release that is somehow worse than PC on launch?
Warlockracy
Only morons that didn't read the kotor comics or Path of Destruction would come to that conclusion. These shortcomings reinforces Luke's ability to see the good in everything and alway confronting the dark side or any baddies.
>moral relativity
>in a setting where being evil literally makes you ugly and being good literally makes you pretty
So deep...... good job Avellone-sama................
Sheev should have just come out publicly as a Sith. 99% of the galaxy wouldn't even know what that is and when the Jedi attack him for it they look like the bad guys persecuting his weirdo religion.
>prequel movies aren't that good
>but the media surrounding it is
Love the 2D clone wars animation
love the games
The prequel films were pretty crap but they did wonders to the franchise's world building. That alone makes them a million times better than the sequels.
>but they did wonders to the franchise's world building
No they didn't, the worldbuilding actually present in the films is utterly fricking moronic, which is why all the Extended Universe shit people care about makes sweeping changes and offer broad caveats to squeeze something functional out of the underlying concepts rather than just trying to replicate the material as-written like was preferred by pre-Shadows works. Why you end up with a successfully built world from that is because "all that Extended Universe shit" was the biggest single Hollywood licensing push in history and thus encompasses literally hundreds of pieces of supplementary material CONTEMPORARILY RELEASED with the movies themselves.
I hope someone creates a private SWTOR server one of these days, for preservation more than anything else. I hate timed content, and it might take a decade more or less sure but all MMOs are destined to die; for others it might not matter that much but 90% of TOR's content is akin to a single player narrative RPG.
Agreed, though I have a pipedream that the agent class story is reworked into a branching single player game, with some of the post-class story content included depending on player choices.
If Jedi aren't the good guys there's no point to the story. If Sith aren't bad guys there's no point to the story. I don't know how people think they're intelligent for writing contrast out of the setting. Grey Jedi aren't "in between" they're literally just evil with less steps. Someone like Kyle Katarn isn't a good person and he's the poster boy for Grey. He isn't above a sith, he happily kills for his own self interest and doesn't give a shit about anything, he just doesn't feel like wearing red while doing it. Revan too. Its like, the children who saw star wars and thought they should start expanding the universe thought they were being clever making the plot morally grey but the problem is if there's no practical difference between Jedi and Sith (and there aren't, not anymore at least) then why exactly should I be interested in the plot? To claim moral superiority for choosing neither? Thats not how good story telling works. I miss when you could find EU books where people would write the Jedi as actual fricking knights that had discipline and honor and sith as mysterious rogues and warlock type figures. But as normies slowly got their hooks into this franchise Sith and Jedi just became Slytherin and Griffindor in space, where no one believes anything outside of what is immediately convenient for them. Kotor isn't responsible for a lot of this shit I'm complaining about but it definitely opened a wedge for people to feel superior about undermining the point of having antagonists in your story. After all this dick waving the KOTOR series does about the Force being your only guide, it still isn't established what the force even wants or guides people to do, other than conveniently leading people to their already established personal goals. They could have used this as a platform for a greater story about the Force guiding the Universe to some sort of final state, but nope who cares, gotta have """"EPIC CHARACTER MOMENTS""""""".
>If Jedi aren't the good guys there's no point to the story. If Sith aren't bad guys there's no point to the story.
So you disagree with Daddy George, chud?
Jedi were character assassinated because he and mostly everybody, don't know how to write paladins unironically.
Why didn't everyone use helicopter lightsabers? They seem really useful.
They aren't useful, it actually less effective, since doing the sequences without machine assistance allows one to focus their force powers. Also, since the user won't be motivated to properly master the velocities, aka they'll get themselves impaled if they ever used the real double blade saber. Basically the ideal weapon for non-force sensenatives or weak force users to be used as canon fodder.
>since doing the sequences without machine assistance allows one to focus their force powers
>user won't be motivated to properly master the velocities
That just sounds like a discipline problem, which the Jedi are all about. They can use it just like a regular lightsaber until they need to fly.
even then, the machinery would be a nightmare to deal with, especially if the user was always on constant missions. Even then, a basic force jump would render the helicopter ability useless. Maybe weaklings like Cal or Zayne Carrick could make use of that lightsaber variant.
Many of the best Jedi underwent actual spiritual journey where they experienced the people's suffering around the Galaxy and came to underdtand their importance and their ability to make a difference by defending the weak from the oppressor and the Jedi were, once, definetly like that, but the order was never really a cemented thing and it went through many historical periods. During the old Republic, Jedi were more comfortable with the idea of killing because they were warriors fighting a literal army of Sith, but once they won, they went 1000 years without any opposition and it lead them directly into stagnancy.
Yoda's Jedi order was poisoned by this stagnancy. Being a Jedi in the "modern" Republic was more of a job than a commitment to a lifestyle and the Clone Wars series and comics makes it abundantly clear that most Jedi in the order had zero understanding of their PURPOSE in the Galaxy and were simply following a fixed set of rules to get their job done. They didn't even adress the problems that led some Padawans into failing the Jedi tests. Instead, they made sure they had a job.
Some other anon was right about saying that the Jedi were ill equipped with actually RAISING a Jedi, they were only TRAINING them and nothing else. "Do this, do that, Why? Because just fricking do it ok?"
Few Jedi actually understood their purpose as Force users. Only Qui Gon Jinn understood what he was about and that a Jedi should listen to the Force above EVERYTHING else. Not just get assignments from a Council and be told to stfu when you experience problems with detachment.
What happened when the Ordwr got purged? Only a few survived and in their effort to battle the Empire, they were set on an actual Jedi journey where most of them graduated not through exams, but through life experience and most of them ended up making huge selfless sacrifices for the sake of saving the Galaxy from the Empire. The Jedi way was restored once the order got fricked.
The thing is that this is straight up nonsense and not realistic for a religious institution. It IS realistic for a military group, and yeah you can argue the jedi order is that, but no boot camp lasts 20 fricking years. Its impossible for me to reconcile the fact that anakin spent 20 years literally just learning how to swing a lightsaber and nothing else concerning philosophy. It goes from
>The Jedi order has flaws
to
>Who the frick wrote this
To play devil's advocate for the Jedi, Anakin was a complete fricking nutcase and Yoda SHOULD have completely refused to have him be a Jedi instead of succumbing to sentimentality (a form of attachment) and let Obi Wan train him to honor Qui Gon's wish. Yoda dropped the ball hard on this one.
The only Jedi in the order who was fit to actually train Anakin into a selfless Jedi was Qui Gon because Qui Gon was an absolute fricking G who understood the will of the Force and how to be a cool papa to a traumatized kid, but he would definetly have had the worst time trying to get Anakin off of his fricking dementing power hunger and addiction to thrill. The pod racing scene has some incredible narrative importance because it shows you that Anakin was fricked in the head from the very start. How many 10 years old kids do you know who are addicted enough to adrenaline that they participate in actual death races? The prequels are all about showing that Anakin was destined to become fallen from the start.
The moment they saw Anakin, they should've killed him. It's made even more obvious since Disney canonically showed that Anakin was, indeed, conceived not through the will of the Force, but through the dark side itself which was manipulated and imbued into the womb straight from Sidious' malice. Anakin was meant to be a Sith messiah from the very fricking start.
Ben Kenobi saying in a single sentence "he was seduced by the dark side" is better story telling than all of that stupid shit you just said
Had Anakin not joined the order, he would've had a similar fate to Ventress or Aurra Sing. I think Obi-wan said that to skywalker in the Episode 3 novel.
I don't think Aurra is force sensitive in new canon.
who knows, but Skywalker would've just been another dark sider had Qui Gon not save him. Its a cool what-if storyline, maybe Plaguis would've avoid death to pursue Skywalker or Palpatine secretly training Skywalker while using Dooku and Jerec.
In what way is all the shit I just said not validating Kenobi's statement? They JUST fricking confirmed it i Obi Wan's series when Vader admits to Obi Wan's face that nobody failes Anakin, he failed himself. The whole point of his downfall is that he was self-destructive from the very beginning. Impatient, violent, aggressive, arrogant, power hungry. He was like that before the order even took him in. Where the Jedi failed is that they couldn't turn him away from these desires and I am arguing rhat they never could have anyways because Anakin was dead set on his quest for power the moment he got admitted into the order.
Sure, Anakin is a great guy who's love and care for his peers is an inspiration, but that good almost didn't hold a candle to his darkness.
>Sure, Anakin is a great guy who's love and care for his peers is an inspiration,
And he was still a deeply disturbed and obviously mentally ill person who was prone to murderous rage when he experienced emotional hardship. TCW is full of moments where Anakin needlessly murders people to solve problems in ways that are fricked up even to non-Jedi
>TCW is full of moments where Anakin needlessly murders people to solve problems in ways that are fricked up even to non-Jedi
such as?
When he murders a dude who was about to blow up hostages when Anakin had the element of surprise and could have incapacitated him or when he killed Dooku out of personal frustration or when he was about to fricking murder the dude trying to frick his wife instead of trusting her and using his fricking head to remember that nobody's supposed to know anyways or the many times when he is abusive to his wife when he is under pressure or afraid to lose her. You can play devil's advocate and mention muh slave traumatism or that he was fighting a war, but there was a peaceful alternative to all of these moments that he voluntarily skipped because they required patience which he has none of.
Anakin never understood that he was Space Police, not Space executioner, but mowing down whoever stands in his way was more efficient to him and wasted less time which, for someone in his role with zero understanding of patience, is the go to solution to all problems.
So yeah, he was a much better Sith than a Jedi.
Being a Space Executioner wasn't just Anakin's problem. Windu had Jango Fett cornered and disarmed, yet decided to just kill him.
Windu is a fricking hypocrite and the fact that he got away with tons of shit that Anakin constantly got scolded for obviously accelerated Anakin's distrust.
Reaction images aren't arguments fricktard.
>Windu had Jango Fett cornered and disarmed, yet decided to just kill him.
What the frick are you talking about, that was an active battleground not some street arrest
homie's weapons were exhaused and he was down an arm, what was he going to do?
The frick are you talking about? His weapons were "exhausted" because a fraction of a second earlier Mace cut his blaster in two and then cut his head off. What the frick? They were surrounded by THOUSANDS of enemies and you're expecting Mace to get his fricking handcuffs out and take him in quietly after he was trying to shoot him in the face a second earlier? Not to mention the dozen little stupid gadgets he undoubtedly still had in his armor somewhere to keep fighting. Of all the stupid shit in this thread, "Mace Windu should have arrested Jango peacefully" has got to be at the top.
It would have taken a fraction of a second to push Jango's ass into a wall and knock him out at that point. He was no longer a threat and likely had tons of valuable information the Republic could have used.
I hate to be the one to tell you this, but Jedi kill people. They do it all the time. Should Yoda have just force pushed all the traitor clones instead of IMPALING them on his lightsaber? Or decapitating them? They are not some non-violent monk enclave, they are warriors.
>homie's weapons were exhaused
If by "exhaused" you mean cut in two
>and he was down an arm
Nope, he was not
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You can argue whether he would've tried to pull some Mando trick or not given they were in the middle of a battlefield but his jetpack was also shown to be broken so at most he would've had what, that rope thingy in his arm?
Jango was fricked, a mando can't get out of a Jedi master using shatterpoints and Vaapad. Though, Jango went out like a true Mandalorian, fighting and killing Jedi.
I don't really follow stuff outside of the movies, but why were the Mandalorians in season 2 giving him and Boba Fett so much grief?
They aren't real mandalorians
>a dude who was about to blow up hostages
>when he was about to fricking murder the dude trying to frick his wife
>JUST confirmed
>Nu-Wars
Anon...
It's canon whether you hate it or not and spare me the >nu-wars platitudes. If you can't see the good writing in that series because of muh negress and not-badass saber blazing "hello there" Kenobi, it's not my problem.
Then you are truly lost.
Shit on me if you want, but Disney is doing a lot better with Star Wars now than when they were making the sequels. Clone wars final season is nu-wars, Mandalorian is Nu-wars and if you tell me these are shit, then don't even talk to me.
Most of the time, I have the feeling that "hardcore TROO SW" fans are just hating on everything Disney to be contrarians and that includes the Facebook/reddit doomers too. I think credit should always be given where it is due and Disney being an evil corporation doesn't mean that all they produce is shit.
I genuinely believe his lust for power could've been at least partially curtailed if he wasn't given command during the clone wars. Being a successful warrior during the clone wars only reinforced his lust for power, he's a competent general and warrior so why shouldn't he be able to save Padme?
True. Another oversight from the Order. Anakin's forte was always in battle aptitudes and they went on and made him a war general in a war where his top tier superior fighting skills granted him victory in every of his endeavors which only fed his ego further and validated his belief that he was Space Jesus. It also validated his belief that violence was a good solution to overcoming conflict since his constant disregard of the code and constant use of violence as a tool helped him get the shit done.
I'm not blaming Anakin for everything, he is definetly tragic. If Anakin had understood that he wasn't a warrior, but a peacekeeper no matter how effective violence was and how good at fighting he was, he wouldn't have fallen so quickly and if the ordee had understood that all that Anakin was trying to get out of all his hotshot feats of combat was recognition, then they could have helped him find a new way for self-accomplishment, but both Anakin and the Order were inflexible in their beliefs and frustratingly stubborn.
Disney wars is low effort fan-fiction.
Master Windu, why don't you come in?
We're about to have some cheese.
In the name of the galactic republic... you're under arrest wALLaCe
Wow reading this
It made me realise that half the fanbase loves to make excuses for anakin.
Anakin got fricking played by sheev hard and that was his own fault 100%
realistically I think both are at fault, Anakin clearly wasn't getting the guidance and discipline he needed then the order decided to let him wage war with minimal supervision, and then because of his dissatisfaction fell for the most blatant lie in the entire galaxy because it was convenient for him.
I too watch Warlockcracy fellow gopnik
people itt
I hate the qui gon hype.
We get it the fanbased though he was cool, no need to call him the greatest jedi or a pure force user.
That homie lost to a noob(literally on is first day on a sith-job)
It's weird to me how much people hype up Maul when he's lost to a teenager, a bunch of drunk pirates and a blind homie.
Filioni pretty much had to nerf Maul, because he would've destroyed Tano. But then again, this was TCW, where Cad bane solo'ed Kenobi and Voss and the Jedi killer Grievous got beat by Gungans.
Qui Gon knew from experience Maul was leading them to a trap, he knew Maul's clever usage of Nimen and Juyo. He was buying time as the confirmation of the sith's return was important to undercover the Naboo Crisis's cause.
I'll grant the Greivous one since Gungan weaponry completely fricked up droids in Ep. 1. When it comes to Cad getting away from Kenobi and Vos, I just chalk it up to him being probably the best non-force using fighter out there, better than even Jango, who gave Obi-Wan trouble as well.
Even that's a stretch since only really Mandalorian were able to take on Jedi 1v1. You had to get Cybernetics enhancements, use drugs, or use animals that can distort the force to get to an even playing field to a Jedi.
>Qui Gon knew from experience Maul was leading them to a trap, he knew Maul's clever usage of Nimen and Juyo. He was buying time as the confirmation of the sith's return was important to undercover the Naboo Crisis's cause.
what does this have to do with Obiwan's failure to get back into the fight in time to save his master? Qui Gon didn't tell Obiwan not to force speed through the obstacle he very easily could've solved in singular seconds
It wasn't his own fault, The nature of the fight (and the mission itself) lead to the conclusion. I'll had to read the E.U Episode 1 novel since I'm not really familiar with that part. Maybe Qui Gon allowed some distanced from Kenobi in case another Sith came into the fight, since the last time the Jedi fought the supposed last sith, the entire strike team got killed.
Qui Gon was a shit dualist. Also funny that he lost to a Sith first day on the job who then lost to a fricking Padawan lel
Qui Gon was killed by bad writing. There is 0 reason why Obi Wan couldn't use force speed to run through the laser fields.
It was on cooldown
>We get it the fanbased though he was cool, no need to call him the greatest jedi or a pure force user.
you seem to be new to star wars.
once something could imply something, it must definitively and ultimately mean exactly that.
star wars is an amalgamation of vague nonsense coming from a largely indifferent source that cares less about canonicity or good sense in the lore than the people who lap it up. and for most of the time that was just the way he liked it.
It's not something the fanbase came up with, Lucas and Filoni straight up said his death was the beginning of the end because only he could've been the father Anakin needed, as he was one of the only if not the only Jedi that actually knew the Order was a shadow of its former self
>could have AU spin-off where Qui Gon raises Annie right with the cool older brother Obi
>naaah lets just rape KotOR for easy money :^)
why are suits like this bros
Doesn't Marvel have a "what if" show or something along those lines? Star Wars is the single most autistic IP when it comes to rabid fanbases that jerk themselves off over "canon" and "timelines" and "what-ifs" and "alternate universes", they could rake in some serious money by making that
>what if Qui-Gon survived and was the father Anakin needed
>what if Maul won the Duel of the Fates and killed Obi-Wan
>What if Ahsoka didn’t leave the Jedi Order?
>what if Vader won the Duel on Mustafar and never needed to be put in a shitty suit
>What if Luke and Leia switched families?
Always bugged me how the wiring on his arm was exposed.
>What if Ahsoka didn’t leave the Jedi Order?
I prefer
>What if Ahsoka didn't exist?
But then that would just be the EU. We're in the dark timeline.
>What if Ahsoka didn't exist?
That already exists, it's called "not watching The Clone Wars"
they have Star Wars: Infinities comics for the OT
ANH was what if Luke missed the torpedo shot at Yavin
ESB was what if Luke dies on Hoth
ROJ was what if C3P0 breaks during Leia's negotiation with Jabba when she's disguised as a bounty hunter
>was what if C3P0 breaks during Leia's negotiation with Jabba when she's disguised as a bounty hunter
I mean the entire rescue han plot is moronic and confusing.
I love the whole first act of ROTJ, its fun, lots of aliens, action, some boba fett, but the actual keikaku is just as dumb as anything in the prequels.
>I am going to give these droids to jaba as a present and then ask him to give me han at which point I will get thrown into a rancor pit, narrowly survive, so that my secret sister dressed as a breen can also get caught trying to free han, and then get turned into a sex slave for a giant slug monster for a while, so that han and chewie and luke can all be in jail together so they can get executed together so that leia can choke jaba out, and r2 can throw a light saber to luke so they can fight their way out of a situation they created, and lando is there too.
I think it leads to Vader siding with the Rebels at Endor somehow, they're like 4-5 part comics each detailing the changes from that one event
I don't really want them to dip harder into the Marvel comics flavor of infinite universes
Should Maul have returned or stayed dead?
he was pretty good in clone wars so I'm fine with it, shame this episode was in Rebels which was mostly garbage.
His return was good, but them him and his brothers just turned into jobbers.
I did like when Sheev showed up and slapped him around like a b***h, laughing like a madman the whole time.
all the crony sith are jobbers, Grievous is like THE example of a bumbling moron henchman. Maul is the best version of the sith henchman trope in the show.
I liked this scene better when Uncle Owen killed him with a rifle. An ignoble end for a man who believed the dark side made him superior.
I was hoping Owen or Beru would cap Reva as a reference to that comic, but no we can't have nice things.
Did he just try to block a lightsaber with his lightsaber-holder?
He tried to do the same trick he did to kill Qui-Gon; bashing his hilt into his opponents face to disorient them.
They didn't overplay him and actually gave him a character beyond "cool looking dude with sword" so I'm fine with it. The Solo cameo was shit, but thankfully he was killed in Rebels so they can't get to ruin him further beyond easy to ignore flashbacks.
>gets slice vertically with a wound so small we can't see it
>dies in a few seconds
>gets slices in half
>falls thousands of feet
>stranded for days
>makes full recovery with robotic legs
Imagine if Obi-Wan had sliced him in half vertically and then he came back as Quarter-Darth Maul.
So how did Anakin learn the forced ghost technique?
The Jedi have always been moronic, and Sith springing up like weeds is their fault to a pretty substantial degree.
>you have to live in this incredibly unnatural, dehumanizing state forever
>no, we won't teach you how
>just do it
>we will, however, endlessly berate you for not doing it
>but still not offer any useful advice, lessons, or methods beyond empty platitudes
>what do you mean the side that lets you indulge in your unnaturally, amateurishly suppressed emotions is looking more attractive by the minute?
>what do you mean our overbearing, nigh-impossible expectations, complete lack of support in meeting them, and constant belittlings for not meeting them have fostered a seething hatred for everything we are?
>what do you mean all this makes it incredibly easy to fall to the dark side, which is infinitely easier by comparison and has no lack of supportive teachers willing to tell you all kinds of rad shit?
>it truly is a mystery how our order keeps losing pupils, those we didn't indoctrinate into mindless automatons from birth, to the dark side
made up excuses from people who refuse to grow up.
You have to accept the fact that some people are just plain dicks no matter how hard they encourage them to be good.
To keep people from the "bad" path, you need to present a compelling alternative. The Jedi are a creepy, eternally joyless, dehumanizing existence. Sure, some may just naturally go towards the "bad" side, but even as a moralgay, the Jedi sound like a fricking miserable way to spend the rest of my life. They're pretty much tailored to create bitter, spiteful, "failed" pupils.
The Jedi are a monastic order. If a member decides they don't like living as a monk they are free to leave, it's not necessary to fall to the dark side and kill a bunch of people on the way out.
Which is a concept the game KOTOR explores with Jolee, a gray jedi which is essentially a force user who rejects both prevailing cult orders.
Imagine giving up on the will of the force for sex...I hate normies so much sisters
>bitter, spiteful, "failed" pupils.
There's literally only two between the OT and the PT, Anakin and Dooku. The cartoon raises that up to four with Krell and Bariss.
>Krell
God damn I love that arc.
If I was in charge of anything at lucasfilm I'd just adapt the entire it aint me in space arc to a movie.
What can a Sith do that a column of Imperial tanks cannot? Checkmate, forcegays.
>Luke, did I ever tell you about the time your father's exotic teenaged alien apprentice fought Darth Maul, who we all thought was dead decades ago?
>She was a good friend.
>Give her a miniskirt and a strip of cloth to cover her young alien breasts and you got my approval
Goddamn George.
>moron Ahsoka allows Episode III to happen because she doesn't believe Maul
the frick is this newgrounds flash shit?
I dont believe you have any experience with new grounds nor flash
Why do no force users just go work for the Hutts or something as a top tier goon and live the easy life? It's always either uptight monk or galaxy conquering psychopath.
Zuckus is force sensitive and he's just a bounty hunter.
The average sensitive can't consciously control his powers without either Jedi discipline or Sith tard-rage.
Star Wars fanboys seethe to this day
KOTOR 2? The frick are you talking about? Anyone who actually has spent decades following Star Wars EU shit loves the game.
That idea wasn't new at all. KotOR tries to paint the idea that the Jedi were complacent which was the entire idea of the prequels and various other EU stories, let alone it tries to paint the idea that Kreia wants you to think for yourself and that actions have consequences when the Exile just ends up becoming a traditional Jedi anyway, let alone Kreia is mostly just butthurt that she fricked up her own life, yet still acts the same way in regards to Sith shenanigans.
I love KotOR2, but its very pretentious in trying to explain its ideologies that have been a thing for well before it. It reminds me of a 15 year old just discovering atheism and decides to go post about it on reddit.
>but its very pretentious in trying to explain its ideologies
Why do you gays always act like it's the game that's saying something? Kreia is the character, not the game. The game doesn't say Kreia is right. It gives you every opportunity to tell Kreia she is wrong. It's like you don't want characters with strong motivations because why would anyone include that motivation unless it were unequivocally correct?
Stop trying to decipher some imagined intent behind the writing and just take the story for what it is: an extremist with a bone to pick takes on a pupil and seeks to forge them into a force to be reckoned with while getting even with those she feels wronged her. Everything about the game works on this level. You don't need to try to get inside Avellone's head because whether he personally agrees with Kreia or not is completely immaterial.
>Expanded Universe: Palpatine returns in a clone body! BASED BASED BASED BASED
>Disney Nu-Wars: Palpatine returns in a clone body! CRINGE CRINGE CRINGE CRINGE
Clone Palpatine in the EU and Luke destroying Black Holes with Palpatine eating planets was always stupid, just as Nihilus eating planets is fricking stupid.
I read Dark Empire after Last command so the tension and stakes rising up to crazy levels is much appreciated, its not like how everything goes back to level 1 in Disney Star Wars.
>Thrawn trilogy
>a dozen Star Destroyers can bring the New Republic to its knees and a fleet of several hundred dreadnaughts is enough to upset the balance of power
>Dark Empire
>superweapons everywhere and thousands of Star Destroyers
>Force Storms
Good lord
The thing is, Thrawn was close to wining everything, you get the sense he could win at anytime. On top of that, c'baoth was a challenge for Luke, he had some very powerful force abilities.
A dozen star destroyers lead by a master tactician with a crew drilled to peak efficiency engaging in very limited missions.
Don't forget he also had a backdoor into pretty much everything that happened in the new republic government.
Thrawn also has a whole bit with the cloaked asteroids around coruscant that effectively bottled up the whole planet.
He was also using c'boaath to increase unit cohesion with forcepowers.
revisionists
Everything that took place after the Thrawn trilogy was fricking shit.
Just like the sequels.
Categorically untrue.
>idiot zoomer makes up stories about things that happened when his parents were children
>people who were actually alive at the time call him out on his bullshit
>REVISIONISTS!
Maybe you should come to grips with the fact that you don't know what you're talking about instead of doubling down.
I like how your entire post hinges on your incorrect assumption about my age
Nah homie, I've always hated that Palpatine clone stuff, it's fricking stupid and its been stupid for decades now.
Please understand it was a different and strange generation
Everyone hated sheev clones when dark empire happened zoomerkun.
Literally everyone and their mother shat on EU comics depicting Palpatine coming back he had a 4d chess plan with a hidden ship filled with clone bodies or whatever the frick
>Take an already mediocre plot line with Dark Empire.
>make it worse in everyway.
>Defend it because new=good.
>Star Wars is literally about good vs evil
>MUH SHADES OF GREY
I blame Game of Thrones for inflicting this trend upon normies.
GoT doesn't even deal with shades of grey whatsoever, ASOIAF sure, it deals with it to some extent, but its at a very base level anyway.
this game came out long before the show did you fricking moron
what's up with Ganker and trying to scapegoat GoT for everything they don't like
Lucas introduced all of the gray, blame him just like force powers now feeling like video game powers on cooldown. He also ruined Vader before it was cool.
>noooo you're not allowed to think about fiction outside of the scope of the original works
kick rocks nerd
What's there to think about? Its popcorn fodder for children and teens
>what is there to think about
how there is a magical space phenomena that causes mass death pretty frequently and how the organizations that are the tied to this phenomena the most utilize it to either directly or indirectly cause the frequent mass death
Why are people underestimating the pull of the dark side? The Jedi seem like a weird cult to you because only they realize how strong the dark side really is and must prevent their members from going insane with power.
What makes the Jedi morons in the prequels is that they ignored all the signs that Anakin was falling to the dark side. They should be experts on the topic really.
Should they, when they hadn't seen Sith in a millennia? How many Jedi do we know we're seduced to the Dark Side during the prequels, Dooku and Ventress?
Anakin did pretty well for the most part
Even when he got is mum revenge that didn't really turn him to the dark side.
But one of the reasons why nobody saw it coming is because nobody really knows what the dark side is.
Sheev was just looking to have fun.
I'm sure that was the first time he let loose in decades.
Is he wearing red robes? I'll forever love the detail in Ep. 3 where at the start of his duel with Yoda his robes are purple, ie mix between blue and red (which is why it's a color you rarely see in Star Wars, unless it's donutsteel characters like Revan in which case their authors always give them purple lightsabers) but said color is drained during the fight and by the end he has his classic black robes as the representation of the Republic crumbles around him.
>try and play as a gray jedi ingame
>locked out of prestige classes
Great game Obsidian
Really the Jedi should just secretly install one of those implanted slave bombs into every padawan immediately upon being recruited.
This game fricking sucks. Its boring as frick. Its like an mmo and I hate mmos. You just stand there watching characters hit each other with rpg stats bullshit. Its looks moronic and its boring. It should have been an action game
Kreia acts like a total c**t the second you meet her. I don't know why anyone would believe anything she says her stump hand stayed on the Ebon Hawk while me, Atton, and Handmaiden killed everything
>not taking your loyal friend Bao-Dur
this movie has good ideas but is ruined by some of the worst writing i've ever seen in my entire life
Correct, and the fact that people come to its defense solely for political reasons or because it totally le dunks on nerds xd is a sign of how disingenuous most support for this shitshow is.
Yeah, that's what makes it so annoying. There's a good movie somewhere in there buried under a mountain of shit.
That mountain of shit was all the mystery box horse shit left over from TFA.
Its not a good movie, but I appreciate the fact that it opened every mystery box, and took a shit in it.
I am still utterly baffled at the fact that they didn't have a story group that at least painted the broad strokes for the trilogy instead of apparently just winging it.
I also want to know why JJ keeps getting work, I don't think I've ever seen anyone who is a "fan" of his since every movie is just confusing nonsense with a paper thin plot that's tripping over itself trying to get from spectacular setpiece to spectacular setpiece before the mouth breathers in the audience can ask any questions.
I really liked how it looked like, scenes like the red throne room were beautiful. Too bad about literally everything else.
Production design wise I think the movie is right on point, it LOOKED like it took place in the star wars universe.
TFA just felt entirely too clean sterile and overproduced for the setting.
A big problem I had with the prequels too, nothing really feels lived in.
Compare it to the OT where the inside of the falcon was fricking gross and probably smelled like unwashed balls and wookie cum.
TRUST MY SECRET PLAN
SHUT UP AND DO WHAT YOU'RE TOLD
Do you think the idpol twats who have insisted to die on the hill that this movie wasn't crap would be so fervent about it if this character was a dude.
It would still be bad writing but if it was Admiral Ackbar instead they'd be more forgiving
>let's give le epic funny fish man actual dialogue and have him interact with actors
Star Wars fanboys are insane
>implying that wouldn't be cringe kino
This whole subplot could have easily been fixed if they just added a little bit about how a traitor is on board and no one knows who they could trust and give the character a reason for playing things so close to her chest AND giving Poe, a military officer, a reason to not understand opsec and chain of command.
I also thought it was pretty moronic how no one pointed out "Hey, we have three ships, and we know they're tracking one of them... Why don't we just split up the crew evenly and have everyone hyperspace jump in 3 different directions saving 2/3rd's of you ships and personnel.
It also has some of the worst ideas in the franchise.
JUST SHUT THE FRICK UP
I never really understood the "stripped of my power" part here, like you can just beat the shit out of someone to sever their connection to the force or something
It was rape Anon
Hardcore Rape
Raped so hard she felt disconnected to the force.
But that was only her delusion
I think by "power" she's talking more about her position as leader, not her ability to shoot lightning out of her hands. As to why she's low level at the start of the game, it's probably blah blah blah echo blah blah blah force link.
One of the Jedi Council members mentions that severing someone's connection is a thing the Council can actually do, although they didn't do it in the Exile's case. If the Jedi can do it, presumably the Sith can too.
Don't they try to do it to you at the very end of the game if Light Side, before Kreia comes in and kills them?
*isn't canon*
Doesn't matter.
>GRAY JEDI
>revan in kotor 2
>space napoleon
>everything about him/her is still a mystery
>can pick if they went down the light or dark side
>revan in swtor
>a whiny b***h
what happened ?
Drew Karpyshyn
*destroys the gray jedi fanbois*
The problem is that george failed to explain this in the movie.
Common theme with the prequels, instead he focused way too much on made up political babble.
Look, I like Freddy. He was fine as Kanan and pretty good as ME's Vega; but he's deadwrong in the way he interprets balance, see
and https://youtu.be/ws85gYk1ypM?t=3062 up to 53:02
>The new one is for kids.
Naw homie its for permanently angry white girls. If it were for kids they would have produced more X-wing and starfighter figures instead of a mountain of Rey and that dumpy Asian girl.
>x wing and tie fighters are slowly phased out during the OT
>40 years later
>just kidding everything is tie fighters and x wings
I get it, you've got to have "things you know" in these movies, but jesus christ that doesn't mean you need to be creatively bankrupt.
It didn't bother me that disney decided to ignore all of the EU. It would be impossible to tell a new story with any kind of stakes with the original character because the EU continues the story line for hundreds of years after return of the Jedi, truce at bakura starts the day after the battle of endor, and nothing happens in the next 150 years without it involving han, luke, and leia, or their terrible children.
So you either have to remake licensed genre trash novels which were mostly all terrible save for a few (and pay the authors of those stories), tell stories that don't contradict any of that which means nothing happens that matters, or you ignore it and do your own thing.
Its just a shame they took that blank slate and good will and squandered it on a big sloppy pile of frick all.
I mean, I can understand the Republic purchasing starfighters from the same manufacturer, I don't hate the idea of a new X-wing variant.
But you would think some fricking nutso Imperial successor would at least move away from the Tie-fighter model.
Incom was a big supporter of the rebellion through backdoor channels, and the x-wing was a multirole work horse.
But the a-wing was build to replace it. The rebel alliance commissioned them from incom. They were better in every way than the x wing and the biggest drawback was they were too fast for escort duty.
The b wing on the other hand was an over-engineered capital ship killer designed by Admiral Ackbar and the Mon Calamari, which was intended to replace the y-wing, which was an old busted piece of shit by the time of ANH that they used because they were cheap and replacements were easy to find.
Those things were in the movies, and a lot of that fluff was included in the novelization of the movies which were always considered second in canon only to the movies themselves because they were able to contain additional exposition.
The empire was using interceptors in ESB, which were faster and more powerful than the standard fighter. What they lacked in shields and armor they made up for with numbers.
The whole thing of the empire was standardized cheap replaceable units because its demoralizing. No matter how many you shoot down, 10 more can replace them, while you can't survive attrition because you're part of a rebel underground.
>To replace it
I thought the A-wing was to counter interceptors while the X-wing was for multirole?
Fast attack ship, it has a missile launcher, and even though it only had 2 laser cannons they could travel in a small firing arc.
They had good shields because of the huge power plant from the engine, and you've got to hit them first.
They're way too specialized to be a "of the line" fighter.
You even have to be a certain manlet height just to fit inside. It would severely hamper their Starfighter corp if they replaced the X-wing model with the A-wing.
>You even have to be a certain manlet height just to fit inside
That's fighter planes IRL.
In the wraith squadron books there's a 6'2" guy who has to cram himself inside of an xwing wienerpit.
Also if you can out run and eat more damage than a tie fighter you're going to be a lot more effective than an x wing, which usually got by because they had pilots who were a cut above.
Aren't A-wings more fragile than X-wings?
Just came to this thread to say I hate Ahsoka.
Everyone who isn't an underageb& hates ahsoka
besides maybe her porn if you're into togrutas I guess
She's obnoxious in the first season of clone wars because she's an annoying kid sidekick, but like everything else in the clone wars, they really started to hit their stride in the later seasons. Especially the arc with her getting accused of a crime and excommunicated by the jedi order forcing her to go rogue to prove her innocence, and then realizing how flawed and limited the council was when they try to welcome her back in with open arms.
Also: orange buttcheeks.
The Jedi were also corrupted in the Prequels if you think about it. The war between the Republic and Trade Federation only happened because the Republic refused to let the Outer Rim planets leave the Republic despite voting to leave.
The Jedi were being used by the Republic as political pawns and just went along with it and never questioned it which is how palpatine ended up taking over.
The problem is george lucas the god of the star wars universe failed at explaining his universe.
Six movies and all we got from the prequel were Midi-chlorians...
Btw the videogames tend to exaggerate everything and should not be considered canon.
Best Star Wars live-action movie. Simple as.
very overrated movie and pointless since everybody dies (its not even like a halo reach thing where its one by one). Made me wonder if Dark Forces were better and it is lol.
Aren't they making a show starring the lead dude from this film? Who the frick cares about him?
>movie is called rogue one
>its not about rogue squadron
JUST MAKE TOP GUN IN SPACE YOU STUPID homosexualS!
WHY DO YOU HATE MONEY?
They are making a Rogue Squadron movie
Too little too late.
I was born in 83, I grew up with the OT, and my favorite parts of the movies were always the space battles.
Its frustrating that the prequels had anakin's wild ride in phantom menace, and the revenge of the sith shows a really cool space battle for a few seconds, then Obi Wan and Anakin make sure to avoid that and in favor of buzz droid hijinks.
I appreciated that rogue one has a neat space battle as the climax. I'm not a fan of the star destroyer that was folded one million times but I thought crashing one ship into another because they killed the power systems with ion weapons was a fun way of using existing lore to create a situation where our plucky underdogs can punch above their weight.
got delayed actually, Patty Jenkins got tied up in a better project
It was well made but pointless. A big problem with Disney Star Wars is they feel the need to explain and show everything to the audience. You could watch all the Star Wars films without Rogue One and not miss anything.
Ruined the cool moment at the end by having Vader appear elsewhere in the movie. Would have been a lot better if Tarkin just said he was sending someone to handle the situation and that scene in the hallway was the first time you saw him.
what exactly was the appeal of this game if you're not an unironic "le tax policy that boobplate armor isn't actually believable" type?
the characters were boring outside chunks of kreia and the gameplay was only a nominal improvement over kotor 1
even the zones were bland outside the bits on malachor and the novelty of the atris's temple
The frick are you even talking about?
The game is shit because it's an actual use of "power of friendship" bullshit that is rightfully laughed at in weebshit, except the latter doesn't have drones that pretend they're above it all.
Reading about development and their take on exile being an "intelligent but doesn't try" type is peak cringe that every homosexual imagines themselves to be
>give a family directions
>"Do you have even the slightest idea of what you have done by giving them directions? If they wanted to get there, truly and deeply wanted it, they would have found a way to get there on their own. You took that from them. You made their journey easier, not better, and in the end you have cheapened them for it"
Frick you grandma
>Hey everyone I know that the Jedi have a reputation as peacekeepers of the galaxy and have been only a force of good for 1,000+ years but out of the blue they decided to try and seize power so I had them all killed in a single night with a coordinated plan to wipe them all out. I will now be running for an unlimited term as ruler of this coalition and there is nothing you can do to stop me, but why would you want to? Okay, see ya
Based Palpie.
To be fair if I were some random nobody and I learned about superpowered shitheads like Krell and Mundi, I'd have been pretty weary. Sith are still infinitely worse.
>if
Still the best piece of Star Wars media within the last two decades by far and away. It might be an unfinished adventure but damn does it have stellar writing and amazing moments from start to finish.
Qui Gon was a chad who believed in the Living Force while the jedi council were a bunch of blind moronic old men sitting around in a tower jerking off. The Dark Side was rising because the Force willed it, and no amount of griping is gonna stop the Force from changing. It's all tied to Mini Chloridians, man, when the galaxy gets an excessive load of those little shits it causes unstable times to happen.