something about the Steam Deck totally fricking broke the minds of Ganker's console warriors because they can't stop talking about how PCs are in competition with, specifically, nintendo consoles now
It's because PC is steamrolling everything. Despite what some people try to claim about it not being competition the deck blows the frick out of the switch and obsoletes it. Portability was the only reason to buy a console, but now it doesn't even have that anymore. Now consoles are literally just cancerous hardware based drm taking games hostage to lock people down into shitty abusive ecosystems while providing zero benefit. Everyone on Ganker knows enough about vidya knows this deep down, but whether or not they want to admit it is another matter. And so console fanboys go through the 5 stages of grief.
>Put your most egregious lies at the end of your posts
Sony is bringing their games to PC and their hardware is floundering.
Microsoft is bringing all their games to PC and their hardware is dead in the water.
Steam alone gets tens of millions more active users per month than the Switch does per year and released a system that mogs the frick out of it and will gradually start eating handheld console's lunch the same way PC in general is for home consoles.
Nips are bringing nearly all their games to PC now with some like Capcom saying it's their main platform.
PC won.
this kind of coincidences with pc becoming an all in one device and replacing tv/cable entirely. more people watch youtube than they watch tv anyway and if you're not a boomer you know how to connect your pc to your tv and use a bluetooth mouse. just need boomers to die off in the next decade to see how normalized this set up will be for most people
Yeah but no. Dragon's Dogma runs like dog shit on the PC and you've still got tons of other broken ports. PC probably helps out but it's almost never the lead selling SKU from multiplatform games. It has the benefit of launching titles like Baldur's Gate 3 but that's far and few between.
Dragon's Dogma 2 runs like dogshit on everything. You'll get sub 30fps due to cpu bottlenecking on the PS5 as well. But a decent PC can still get far better performance than a PS5 would.
There's no such thing as porting to PC, every game is made on PC, devs just choose to focus on and release them only on console for a variety of reasons. At least they did before PC became the best way to sell your game.
>Sony is bringing their games to PC and their hardware is floundering.
PC already brought all their games to consoles a decade ago. You were first to go multiplatform.
PC has more exclusives, organically, naturally, no scuzzy business practices trying to lock people onto shitty hardware, than every single console combined.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Still lost them all. Only thing left is indies (timed) and keyboard required games. Like I said PC went multiplatform first.
Not seeing anything AA or above made in the last 10 years that isn't Valve
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
I am seeing you moving goalposts.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
See
Still lost them all. Only thing left is indies (timed) and keyboard required games. Like I said PC went multiplatform first.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yeah I'm sure you combed through 2500+ games just to say that anon. And that list is still only a tiny fraction. It doesn't include actual lesser known stuff and obviously nothing really nsfw. Black Souls 2? One of the greatest games ever? Not on there. Even Fear & Hunger Termina a more well known game this board talks about isn't on there and those are just a few I bothered to check.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Nah I just don't care. Sony losing a dozen games to PC matters only if PC losing a dozen games to consoles matter. And PC lost thousands. Sorry not sorry. Gabe is selling to china. Cheers.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Kinda does when Sony only has a dozen games left to lose.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
There are no more PC games left to lose. Nothing is developed specifically for PC anymore but indies and keyboard centric games. It went multiplat a decade ago before any console brand. Come up with a new cope.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
You're free to keep splurging on your sinking ship, I'm not stopping you, just telling you how it is.
PC losing "exclusives" isn't even remotely comparable to consoles losing exclusives. By default PC is the better platform, but consoles have three key advantages compared to computers:
-Ease of use. You turn the console on, put the game in, and that's it: you can immediately start playing videogames. No one can frick this up. But recently consoles have become more "PC-like" with installations and constant updates; on the other hand, PCs have become easier and easier to use over the years. Steam Deck and SteamOS are another step towards this direction
Consoles are still significantly easier to use, but the gap isn't anywhere near as wide as it was a decade or two ago
-Price. Consoles are designed to be as powerful as possible while being as cheap as possible to manufacture. And the hardware is often sold at cost to promote sales. While this is still true today (you cannot build a PS5-equivalent computer for $499)... you end up spending less with a PC long-term, because games are cheaper and you don't need a subscription to play online, have access to older games and all the other "services" console manufacturers sell to their customers
So yes, consoles are still cheaper than PCs (upfront at least). But once again, compared to a decade or two ago, the gap is a lot smaller
-Exclusives. The ability to play games not available anywhere else has always been one of the main reasons to get console "X" over the competing console "Y", or over a computer. But now most third-party games are released on every single machine on the market, and even console manufacturers themselves started launching their own games on PC
Again, console exclusives are still a thing, but they aren't anywhere near as relevant as they were 10-20 years ago
So, while consoles are not completely irrelevant yet, PC has been slowly chipping away at every single one of their key selling points, like exclusive games. The selling point of PC is the platform itself, no one cares about exclusives
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Sure, but I'm going to wait for the next steam deck. This one feels like a work in progress.
It's the opposite
Switch completely mind-raped console warriors, Switch 2 is even worse about it with it confirmed coming and confirmed "pretty decently powerful"
someone else can explain it better but it's the battery. battery technology has to get better and smaller but for that to happen the world would become a utopia. so it will never happen.
Also, to get the required performance, the GPU runs at 1.5 GHz normally with up to 2.7 GHz boost clock. That generates a ton of heat, so the device needs to be bigger to accommodate an adequate cooling system.
>Vita size/form factor PC
Even if that battery were good for that, the screen would be so small and terrible to use for any game not specifically designed to be played on it.
Dangit, that's a good point. I played through Dragon's Dogma on a Switch Lite and that was pretty painful. I have pretty good eyesight but I still strained to read the crappy font/size.
Yeah, that's the real final boss of a vita sized pc handheld. Maybe a folding screen could work, I dunno, but the screen cannot be so small or it'll make most games miserable to play.
It can, they just won't. Valve already tried relying on devs to do that kind of work with the steam machine. It failed miserably. Whoever makes a vita sized pc handheld would have to implement their own solution that will address that problem for every game without devs having to lift a finger, like the deck does with proton.
this looks better than my steam deck, which feels kind of cheap in comparison to even the switch.
i would buy it again though, because of the integration with steam and native support for the platform.
>which feels kind of cheap in comparison to even the switch
When was the last time you held your switch. Nothing feels cheaper than the switch. I picked it up again for the first time in years and was surprised by how cheap, flimsy and uncomfortable it felt. And the analog sticks are sticky. I noticed that with my wii u and gamecube controllers back in the day too, nintendo uses some cheap gross plastic for their sticks.
I'm pretty sure the Ally peaks at 30W. And yes, you can change it to whatever you want (directly from Windows, no need to go into the BIOS) but it's not that great below 15W. As the other Anon said, the Deck is somehow faster at 10W, despite being straight-up worse on paper.
It's kinda sad that these things have existed for years before the switch existed and it took sony basically dying for these to become relevant as only a proxy for shitposting against switch
Are you moronic???
You can set the internal resolution up to 4k...
?t=15
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Doesn't mean it can process that resolution, Anon. You can test it easily be hooking it up to a TV then outputting in 4k and see how it basically turns into a slideshow.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
I literally just played thru NFS hot pursuit at 1080x1200, max settings and a rock solid 60 FPS cap.
The deck can handle 1080p and 1200p just fine in a lot of older games.
4k on it is moronic but it's nice that valve gives you the choice if you want to play indie games on a 4k tv or waste away your battery.
Also the deck has no dock...
Best you can do is buy a USB dock so you can connect more things to it over USB or buy an expensive GPU dock that literally no one but tech YouTubers uses.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Also the deck has no dock
It does it just doesn't come with the deck, which is good because that keeps the price lower and I don't know why anyone who bought a deck would want to dock it when they almost certainly have at least a decent desktop already.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
So you admit it can't actually output at 4k. Such a stupid claim in the first place.
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Anonymous
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
He just doesn't know anything about the deck. Thinking there's a difference between a docked and undocked deck made that obvious. He's used to nintendo kneecapping the device without his input, not something he has full control over.
I don't understand the point of 120hz displays on a handheld. Not only does it drain the battery faster, but 99% of games will never be able to hit 120FPS. If you're doing it if VRR is maybe enabled, that's okay but battery life will be terrible. Seems like a waste.
120hz looks amazing on that screen with VRR. The battery life is dogshit either way though. If you're buying an Ally you're either keeping it plugged it on bringing a power bank with you.
I play mostly at 15w and get 3 hours normally. Even playing shit like LAD Infinite. And now they have fluid motion frames for everything. So its like every game has FSR3 with frame generation. I have a battery pack too so yeah not an issue with power like it used to be. They also in general have made the software much better.
As someone who just got a gaming laptop last year, there's really no better "portable" solution value-for-money you can get than a gaming laptop. People keep going on about how the Deck is the best thing ever, but you can get a similar laptop for the same price that's more powerful and can do more things. Seriously, Linux desktop sucks ass.
That said if you are someone who travels a lot, having one of these things to complement your work laptop can be amazing.
You don't even need a gaming laptop. You need a laptop that you already have lying around. Nobody makes high end PC games anymore. All of them went to consoles to be ported later. PC gaming is all but dead.
Nah trust me you still need a gaming laptop to play PC games. Seriously my old laptop literally could barely run League of Legends. My new laptop can Battlefield 2042 on high settings.
not unless it can emulate it
the point of nintendo devices was never about having better tech, or even better games
the point of it is to be able to play nintendo games, thats literally the only selling point their consoles have, from day 1
after the n64 failure against the ps1 they realized this and stopped running that race - that´s why nintendo consoles are consistently shit
Honestly the switch 2 being as powerful as a PS4 pro is enough for graphics. I haven't seen a single game since the PS4/Xbox One days that has impressed me.
tf is that
a portable gaming pc.
>CPU:
AMD Ryzen™ Z1 Extreme Processor ("Zen4" architecture with 4nm process, 8-core /16-threads, 24MB total cache, up to 5.10 Ghz boost)
>GPU:
AMD Radeon™ Graphics (AMD RDNA™ 3, 12 CUs, up to 2.7 GHz, up to 8.6 Teraflops)
>16GB LPDDR5 on board (6400MT/s dual channel)
>512GB PCIe® 4.0 NVMe™ M.2 SSD (2230)
PC already made that thing irrelevant
>windows
yuck
something about the Steam Deck totally fricking broke the minds of Ganker's console warriors because they can't stop talking about how PCs are in competition with, specifically, nintendo consoles now
It's because PC is steamrolling everything. Despite what some people try to claim about it not being competition the deck blows the frick out of the switch and obsoletes it. Portability was the only reason to buy a console, but now it doesn't even have that anymore. Now consoles are literally just cancerous hardware based drm taking games hostage to lock people down into shitty abusive ecosystems while providing zero benefit. Everyone on Ganker knows enough about vidya knows this deep down, but whether or not they want to admit it is another matter. And so console fanboys go through the 5 stages of grief.
>It's because PC is steamrolling everything
Put your most egregious lies at the end of your posts. That way people may actually read them
You can hate the truth but it doesn't make it go away.
Sick quote bro
>Put your most egregious lies at the end of your posts
Sony is bringing their games to PC and their hardware is floundering.
Microsoft is bringing all their games to PC and their hardware is dead in the water.
Steam alone gets tens of millions more active users per month than the Switch does per year and released a system that mogs the frick out of it and will gradually start eating handheld console's lunch the same way PC in general is for home consoles.
Nips are bringing nearly all their games to PC now with some like Capcom saying it's their main platform.
PC won.
this kind of coincidences with pc becoming an all in one device and replacing tv/cable entirely. more people watch youtube than they watch tv anyway and if you're not a boomer you know how to connect your pc to your tv and use a bluetooth mouse. just need boomers to die off in the next decade to see how normalized this set up will be for most people
Yeah but no. Dragon's Dogma runs like dog shit on the PC and you've still got tons of other broken ports. PC probably helps out but it's almost never the lead selling SKU from multiplatform games. It has the benefit of launching titles like Baldur's Gate 3 but that's far and few between.
Dragon's Dogma 2 runs like dogshit on everything. You'll get sub 30fps due to cpu bottlenecking on the PS5 as well. But a decent PC can still get far better performance than a PS5 would.
There's no such thing as porting to PC, every game is made on PC, devs just choose to focus on and release them only on console for a variety of reasons. At least they did before PC became the best way to sell your game.
>Sony is bringing their games to PC and their hardware is floundering.
PC already brought all their games to consoles a decade ago. You were first to go multiplatform.
PC has more exclusives, organically, naturally, no scuzzy business practices trying to lock people onto shitty hardware, than every single console combined.
Still lost them all. Only thing left is indies (timed) and keyboard required games. Like I said PC went multiplatform first.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Windows-only_games
Not seeing anything AA or above made in the last 10 years that isn't Valve
I am seeing you moving goalposts.
See
Yeah I'm sure you combed through 2500+ games just to say that anon. And that list is still only a tiny fraction. It doesn't include actual lesser known stuff and obviously nothing really nsfw. Black Souls 2? One of the greatest games ever? Not on there. Even Fear & Hunger Termina a more well known game this board talks about isn't on there and those are just a few I bothered to check.
Nah I just don't care. Sony losing a dozen games to PC matters only if PC losing a dozen games to consoles matter. And PC lost thousands. Sorry not sorry. Gabe is selling to china. Cheers.
Kinda does when Sony only has a dozen games left to lose.
There are no more PC games left to lose. Nothing is developed specifically for PC anymore but indies and keyboard centric games. It went multiplat a decade ago before any console brand. Come up with a new cope.
You're free to keep splurging on your sinking ship, I'm not stopping you, just telling you how it is.
Cool story. I disagree.
That list is loaded with AA.
PC losing "exclusives" isn't even remotely comparable to consoles losing exclusives. By default PC is the better platform, but consoles have three key advantages compared to computers:
-Ease of use. You turn the console on, put the game in, and that's it: you can immediately start playing videogames. No one can frick this up. But recently consoles have become more "PC-like" with installations and constant updates; on the other hand, PCs have become easier and easier to use over the years. Steam Deck and SteamOS are another step towards this direction
Consoles are still significantly easier to use, but the gap isn't anywhere near as wide as it was a decade or two ago
-Price. Consoles are designed to be as powerful as possible while being as cheap as possible to manufacture. And the hardware is often sold at cost to promote sales. While this is still true today (you cannot build a PS5-equivalent computer for $499)... you end up spending less with a PC long-term, because games are cheaper and you don't need a subscription to play online, have access to older games and all the other "services" console manufacturers sell to their customers
So yes, consoles are still cheaper than PCs (upfront at least). But once again, compared to a decade or two ago, the gap is a lot smaller
-Exclusives. The ability to play games not available anywhere else has always been one of the main reasons to get console "X" over the competing console "Y", or over a computer. But now most third-party games are released on every single machine on the market, and even console manufacturers themselves started launching their own games on PC
Again, console exclusives are still a thing, but they aren't anywhere near as relevant as they were 10-20 years ago
So, while consoles are not completely irrelevant yet, PC has been slowly chipping away at every single one of their key selling points, like exclusive games. The selling point of PC is the platform itself, no one cares about exclusives
Sure, but I'm going to wait for the next steam deck. This one feels like a work in progress.
>Steam alone gets tens of millions more active users per month
It's a free website. No shit.
Active means playing a game. If you wanted to count accounts alone steam has over a billion.
Yup steam is a cancerous DRM infested monopoly soon to be sold to china so they can cater to their 2nd largest playerbase more.
It's the opposite
Switch completely mind-raped console warriors, Switch 2 is even worse about it with it confirmed coming and confirmed "pretty decently powerful"
Switch is infested with console warriors. It can't mindrape something it's a part of.
Get off of Ganker, BRs arguing with themselves and pretending to be totally seething Nintendo fans and smug Sony chads isn't reality
>xbox button lettering
Xchads did we win?
You mean Dreamcast button lettering.
These handheld gaming PCs are just too frickin big.
How far off are we from a PS Vita size/form factor PC? I know big things are brewing at ARM.
someone else can explain it better but it's the battery. battery technology has to get better and smaller but for that to happen the world would become a utopia. so it will never happen.
Also, to get the required performance, the GPU runs at 1.5 GHz normally with up to 2.7 GHz boost clock. That generates a ton of heat, so the device needs to be bigger to accommodate an adequate cooling system.
>Vita size/form factor PC
Even if that battery were good for that, the screen would be so small and terrible to use for any game not specifically designed to be played on it.
Dangit, that's a good point. I played through Dragon's Dogma on a Switch Lite and that was pretty painful. I have pretty good eyesight but I still strained to read the crappy font/size.
Yeah, that's the real final boss of a vita sized pc handheld. Maybe a folding screen could work, I dunno, but the screen cannot be so small or it'll make most games miserable to play.
i don't see how hud and font size can't be adjusted in game by devs. a lot of games have features like that already
It can, they just won't. Valve already tried relying on devs to do that kind of work with the steam machine. It failed miserably. Whoever makes a vita sized pc handheld would have to implement their own solution that will address that problem for every game without devs having to lift a finger, like the deck does with proton.
this looks better than my steam deck, which feels kind of cheap in comparison to even the switch.
i would buy it again though, because of the integration with steam and native support for the platform.
>which feels kind of cheap in comparison to even the switch
When was the last time you held your switch. Nothing feels cheaper than the switch. I picked it up again for the first time in years and was surprised by how cheap, flimsy and uncomfortable it felt. And the analog sticks are sticky. I noticed that with my wii u and gamecube controllers back in the day too, nintendo uses some cheap gross plastic for their sticks.
>makes switch relevant
>1080p 120hz display on a handheld
Just frick my battery life up
O-oh wait..
yeah, Rog Ally is form over function. Shit is dead quick
Nintendo releases low powered handhelds for a reason. That reason is to avoid
ackkkk
just lower your settings
bro that is lowered settings
You can tell he runs it at 30w max resolution max graphics. Then complains about low battery life. Fricking idiot.
trash device, only a step above the claw
Who cares just play it while it's charging
-_____-
Just fricking plug it in
There are literally outlets EVERYWHERE
You cant lower ppt to 20-30W? What does its bios allow to adjust?
On the same power budget ally should be a bit faster than deck surely.
Might as well get a deck at that point
Deck has similar performance at 15w and starts pulling ahead as you go lower. As you go higher it falls behind the windows based arms quit noticeably.
I'm pretty sure the Ally peaks at 30W. And yes, you can change it to whatever you want (directly from Windows, no need to go into the BIOS) but it's not that great below 15W. As the other Anon said, the Deck is somehow faster at 10W, despite being straight-up worse on paper.
It's kinda sad that these things have existed for years before the switch existed and it took sony basically dying for these to become relevant as only a proxy for shitposting against switch
bro they aren't competing with the switch, they are competing with the frickin gamegear
Can wait for switch 2 to outsell Steam Deck and rog rally total lifetime sales combined in less than a month
Thanks bro
You will still have less games to play, they will look worse and run at unstable framerates 🙂
>comparing switch undocked to Steam Deck docked
PC vegan moment
good bait
Steam Deck doesn't have a 1080p display. Don't know what else to tell you
Are you moronic???
You can set the internal resolution up to 4k...
?t=15
Doesn't mean it can process that resolution, Anon. You can test it easily be hooking it up to a TV then outputting in 4k and see how it basically turns into a slideshow.
I literally just played thru NFS hot pursuit at 1080x1200, max settings and a rock solid 60 FPS cap.
The deck can handle 1080p and 1200p just fine in a lot of older games.
4k on it is moronic but it's nice that valve gives you the choice if you want to play indie games on a 4k tv or waste away your battery.
Also the deck has no dock...
Best you can do is buy a USB dock so you can connect more things to it over USB or buy an expensive GPU dock that literally no one but tech YouTubers uses.
>Also the deck has no dock
It does it just doesn't come with the deck, which is good because that keeps the price lower and I don't know why anyone who bought a deck would want to dock it when they almost certainly have at least a decent desktop already.
So you admit it can't actually output at 4k. Such a stupid claim in the first place.
He just doesn't know anything about the deck. Thinking there's a difference between a docked and undocked deck made that obvious. He's used to nintendo kneecapping the device without his input, not something he has full control over.
>wont even be able to run switch 2 launch titles for 5 years
NINTENDOCHADS WON AGAIN
Now compare the sales
I hear a lot about Sales. Is it fun to play? What's the gameplay like?
how noisy do these things get? my non gaming laptop turns into a mini helicopter playing mgsv
The Rog Ally is pretty quiet unless you go up to maximum 30W TDP, but you shouldn't ever need to do that.
does it have metroid prime 4?
or the next mario or zelda games?
no?
not interested then
いぇs
I don't understand the point of 120hz displays on a handheld. Not only does it drain the battery faster, but 99% of games will never be able to hit 120FPS. If you're doing it if VRR is maybe enabled, that's okay but battery life will be terrible. Seems like a waste.
120hz looks amazing on that screen with VRR. The battery life is dogshit either way though. If you're buying an Ally you're either keeping it plugged it on bringing a power bank with you.
I play mostly at 15w and get 3 hours normally. Even playing shit like LAD Infinite. And now they have fluid motion frames for everything. So its like every game has FSR3 with frame generation. I have a battery pack too so yeah not an issue with power like it used to be. They also in general have made the software much better.
switch 2 isn't going to happen it'll be a whole new console you moron
>makes gaming laptops irrelevant
fixed
I highly recommend finding an XG Mobile to go with the Ally.
It's the only thing really distinguishing it from the legion go and the deck
They're still more useful as an all in one device when traveling. Who wants to watch videos on a tiny screen that doesn't stand on its own
As someone who just got a gaming laptop last year, there's really no better "portable" solution value-for-money you can get than a gaming laptop. People keep going on about how the Deck is the best thing ever, but you can get a similar laptop for the same price that's more powerful and can do more things. Seriously, Linux desktop sucks ass.
That said if you are someone who travels a lot, having one of these things to complement your work laptop can be amazing.
You don't even need a gaming laptop. You need a laptop that you already have lying around. Nobody makes high end PC games anymore. All of them went to consoles to be ported later. PC gaming is all but dead.
Nah trust me you still need a gaming laptop to play PC games. Seriously my old laptop literally could barely run League of Legends. My new laptop can Battlefield 2042 on high settings.
He's a dumb consoletard, he has no clue what he's talking about, just seething over pc
This is the stupidest thing I have seen in this thread.
Cope.
not unless it can emulate it
the point of nintendo devices was never about having better tech, or even better games
the point of it is to be able to play nintendo games, thats literally the only selling point their consoles have, from day 1
after the n64 failure against the ps1 they realized this and stopped running that race - that´s why nintendo consoles are consistently shit
Digital Cuckry lmao. You will own nothing and you will be happy.
Honestly the switch 2 being as powerful as a PS4 pro is enough for graphics. I haven't seen a single game since the PS4/Xbox One days that has impressed me.
Especially with Nintendo's art style.
>in reality it can't even make the deck irrelevant
rumao