Making skaven into rat people for no reason was the hugest mistake GW has ever made. If they were only chaos goblins, this abomination could've been avoided. Frick you Andy Chambers, you suck.
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of course because nobody would fetishise goblins haha
1. Warhammer goblins have no girls
2. It's acceptable by comparison
>girls
sweet summer child etc etc
they've got hands, mouths
those nostils look pretty roomy
The poop's gotta come out of somewhere.
Rat people are funni and gross, I would think that people were barely even aware that furgays existed in the early 80s when skaven were added
What late 80's? They were introduced well into the 90's, the peak era of degeneracy.
Officially they premiered in the Spring 1986 issue of Citadel Journal magazine, by Jes Goodwin. Unofficially they were previewed a few months earlier in White Dwarf as a Blood Bowl team.
https://warhammerbattlemarch.fandom.com/wiki/Skaven
No! NOOOOOOOOOO! NOT FACTS! AIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEE!
Skaven were a 3E race, mate. They were even in the first plastic regiment box back in 1987
>1987
Damn didnt know Skaven were that old
They really aren't, their first real army book came out in 1993.
The first Warhammer army books came out in 1993.
Shut up homosexual, none of the factions had army books until 1993, a decade after the game began.
So what bothers me about this post is one of two things, depending.
1. If you knew the truth but posted this anyway, then you lied. That's not terrible in and of itself, but what's troubling is that you told a lie that was pitifully easy to fact-check. You were lazy in your lie. Alternatively,
2. You didn't know the truth, and didn't bother to find out despite having the ability and all the tools needed to do so. So you were willfully ignorant, which is about the worst thing a person can be.
Fun fact, I don't even play Warhammer; Hell, I don't even LIKE Warhammer, yet about two seconds of Google turned up
. Why'd I do it? Because scrolling by I noticed your post and something about the Skaven being form the '90s felt wrong - there's something about them that said me "nah, this is definitely from the '80s" - but rather than just shoot my mouth off, I actually checked. And ended up being right.
>the peak era of degeneracy.
Also that would be the 1930s. Have you SEEN how homoerotic Nazi propaganda got?
>which is about the worst thing a person can be.
No.
That's a furry.
BRAAAAAAP
baSSed
>Also that would be the 1930s. Have you SEEN how homoerotic Nazi propaganda got?
Good goy.
This post smells faintly of reddit...
Tell me, what do you of atheism?
>not being atheist
get a load of this gay.
Religious thought is what lead to widespread denial of reality, mlady. And now look where it got us.
>Have you SEEN how homoerotic Nazi propaganda got?
>homotrad was real all along
uhh... based?
You have to go back.
Art thou dull of wits? Art thou compatc? I be ye olde Man of the Bat!
They were in the 2nd ed. as well.
>people were barely even aware that furgays existed in the early 80s when skaven were added
They weren't even aware until the early 2010s. I'd wear a gorilla suit to parties/conventions for shits and grins, and remember specifically having to stop in 2015 because someone asked me of I was a furry. Googled it later, found out what it was, then never wore the gorilla suit again because the magic was lost and I felt violated knowing such degeneracy existed and I had been associated with it
furries both the "haha it's not a fetish it's just sci-fi/fantasy bro trust" and the open zoophile type were commonplace in niche spaces like fanzines and RPG circles by the late 90s, they just weren't big enough homosexuals to get backlash until the mid 2000s
Furcadia (the biggest furry online community in the world) was released in 1996.
Skaven 4th edition army book was released just two and a half years prior.
Seethe-cope, gay-thing, then die-dilate.
imagine not thinking rat men with swords are cool as shit
OH NOOOOO THERE'S ANTHROPOMORPHIC ANIMALS IN MY FANTASY THAT'S NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE
"NOOOOOO FURRIES IN FANTASY REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"
will never not be funny to me. This endless internet slapfight between two groups of weirdos needs to stop.
Anthropomorphism has been a part of fantasy and mythology for longer than most modern tropes we associate with the genre. Stories featuring talking animals or people with animal heads pre-date the publication of Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit.
Also the Werewolf we are familiar with: a curse transmissible by bite or scratch that causes an involuntary transformation under a full moon, DIDN'T EVEN EXIST until 1946. Most "werewolves" in folklore transformed as byproduct of a magic spell.
You know what WAS widely believed to exist in the ancient and medieval world? Cynocephaly. The belief that the lands far to the East beyond the Ural and Caucasus mountains were inhabited by a race of men with the heads of dogs, jackals or wolves.
So yeah, furry wolf people have more mythological backing than werewolves or Tolkien Elves.
tbh I am actually rather surprised that WHFRP isn't more popular with the Furry-haters. In that setting all of the Anthro races are portrayed as horrifying, grotesque mutants.
>The belief that the lands far to the East beyond the Ural and Caucasus mountains were inhabited by a race of men with the heads of dogs, jackals or wolves.
Turns out that was just what was on their dinner plate
>men with the heads of dogs
That's all what they had from dogs, heads. No more of a furry than Horus or the Minotaur. If you showed your degenerate drawings in Rome, you'd quickly be thrown to the lions, which is one of the Roman traditions I wish we could revive.
>If you showed your degenerate drawings in Rome, you'd quickly be thrown to the lions
Bitch, the Romans believed that Rome came from two brothers who fricking nursed from a wolf. They didn't even bother with mere furries, they went full bestiality.
And regular people drink milk from a cow, that probably makes us all your kith and kin in your sick mind.
If you suck on an animal's teat for its milk, that's pretty much bestiality.
Nursing isn’t sex you degenerate coomer
Alright then, lets get into all the times Zeus turned into an animal to frick women.
I understand what you're going for and I think the beastman hate coming from tourists is overblown, but there is a distinction I must make.
When you're playing with a Capital-F Furry, not just some guy who jerks it to pics of bara dogs in private or something but someone who will gladly introduce himself using that word, they don't play cynocephelacs or anything that looks like it'd fit into the setting. They very specifically play humans with dog heads but also human hair on top with neon fur and Disney princess eyes. And they ask you to make it fit in.
>they don't play cynocephelacs or anything that looks like it'd fit into the setting. They very specifically play humans with dog heads but also human hair on top with neon fur and Disney princess eyes. And they ask you to make it fit in.
In the interest of fairness, someone who plays with a furry who looks like that, probably imagines humans looking like pic, so they fit just fine.
If you're trying to run a game where everything is realistic, ugly, and realistically ugly, you should be up-front about that at the start.
It really depends on the game, but with the ever -accelerating manga-fiction of everything in the RPG space, everyone has neon hair and Disney princess eyes.
I think this guy put it best when discussing this phenomenon in reference to the Cyberpunk setting.
My two arguments about this are that in a society where bodily modification is commonplace you'd have to go pretty far into the pale for a cosmetic alteration to justify an in-game stat cost unless you're talking about back-alley or botched mod jobs. The other is that you can drop thousands on guns and never actually support the MIC.
Every furry I've ever met that plays D&D grabs an established race and then commissions or draws tons of art and porn of their new OC.
Here's the two in my campaign they got their russian friend to draw, the (runty) minotaur warlock and the werewolf blood hunter. The minotaur is the metaphorically bigger furry and has more art.
>"sculpture"
>clearly a fursuit with a giant dick/sack pouch
It almost looks like there was once an erect phallus on that sculpture that has since chipped off.
>found in G*rmany
Are you even that surprised?
I am so proud of my heritage
If it wasn't them, dogfrickers would have latched onto beastmen or lizardmen. You don't need any anthropomorphic animals at all for zoophiles to get attached, honestly, just look at Team Fortress 2.
This, I would even guess that GW went with rat men to make them less appealing, if furries are going to latch onto diseased mutated rodents then they’ll latch onto anything, they have an obsession
Why do you hate historical christian mythology so much?
Are you protestant?
Have you taken your meds, yet?
They're meant to symbolize the worst aspects of civilization and urbanization, rats are the best thing they can be.
Besides beastmen have been a thing since warhammer has been a thing
This. Plus they were inspired by the Victorian symbolism of rats as being a dark mirror to humanity, since at the time they would thrive wherever humans thrive. The real problem is that fanart has taken on a ghastly character of its own, wherein fanartists try to hijack canon to their own ends.
Feels thematic and if they did goblins, it wouldn't stand out.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioral_sink
But chaos humans and chaos dwarfs do?
Skaven society is one giant rat race.
And chaos human society isn't?..
Chaos human society is less of a rat race than non-Chaos Tilean society.
GW had pretty much nothing to say about Tilea, so I don't care.
The Dogs of War army book describes Tilea in about as much detail as 5e Dwarfs describes the Karaz Ankor.
That's a lie and you know it. Also, dwarfs had much more than just one book.
Pages 5 through 21 of the 5e Dwarf army book are dedicated to fluffing out the Dwarven realms. Describing individual holds, explaining the underway, general mindsets, Dwarves outside Karaz Ankor, and gives an overview of their history.
16 pages
Pages 73 through 94 of the Dogs of War army book are dedicated to fluffing out Tilea. Describing individual city states, Tilea's rural areas, the trade routes they established, general mindsets, and gives an overview of Tilean history.
21 pages
You are correct. 5e Dwarfs actually provides less detail than Dogs of War.
>Also, dwarfs had much more than just one book.
Most of the army books largely rehash the same fluff so it's a non-argument unless you start pulling on the Grudgelore supplement for extra info on Dwarfs.
Anyway, my point was that Tilea essentially has a full army book's worth of fluff. Which is more than nothing.
Chaos Goblins. Minor Chaos God Khakkek approves of your remembrance of his people.
>Frick you Andy Chambers
Shouldn't you blame Jes Goodwin?
He's just an artist, he sculpts what he's ordered to sculpt.
You're beyond good and evil, superman; you work for commission.
That looks like a Euro house
Meh, I crank my meat to furry porn but don't put that shit in game because magical realm bullshit ain't cool at my table.
That said, if I grow bored with a system like 5e (only took 2 years), and the group won't step up to run a game or play something else? I go FULL DEGENERATE mode and make it miserable for them while I find it hilarious that Scat Rat Swarm keeps shitting into the players mouths and what not. Frick you, 5e. You deserve the diaper golems I made and constantly jerking off gnomes because "ejaculation leads to innovation."
Gobbo or Rakki, the only good that came out of 'em is that they fakken die easy !
Rat people are a common fantasy trope, if for nothing else than that Rat's a symbol of decay and disease, so make a good antagonistic faction.
Same reason why Pig people appear commonly in fantasy games/settings, because pigs are seen as a host of negative stereotypes (Dirty, greedy/gluttonous, boorish)
someone has fricked in this.
no they havent
Unlikely. The legs split pretty far down, and most murrsuits try to keep whatever mobility they can while wearing a carpet.
There's literally no difference between goblins and rat-people anyway, so who cares?