In old yugioh when everything was gudstuff.dek, it would be good.
Modern archetype decks would make this suck unless you're playing a mirror, so maybe a good side card for mirrors and that's it. I guess some mill decks might use it?
>video game thread on a video game board >no general OP with useless links or info
If you think I'm going to waste my time browsing /mdg/, you're sorely mistaken. That shithole has a pastebin troon that seethes at Ganker threads.
Its been more than 1 year of continuous master duel threads on Ganker, we have survived mutiple boycotts and we will continue doing so.
Also we talk about the game, unlike the other gachashit generals
This is literally a general: a continously made thread for discussion of a single specific topic.
The only reason people pretend it's not is so that the thread doesn't get wiped or moves cross-board or some other gay shit.
I pulled her right away. Where I fricked up was pulling from the chaos angel pack. Just finished what I had left of solo mode for 1k gems and pulled but no dice. I did pull a royal so I could just craft a chaos angel but I’ll probably just make a third imperm or something instead…
The animation literally made me jizz my pants and I didn’t realize she had a tail, I already ran her in every deck but now instead of a cheerleader or something she looks fricking sick on a rad motorcycle in digital mushroom trip world with a tail? fricking sick love me Masquerena simple as and not a waifuBlack person at all
Probably because master duel has a skewed algorithm for hand generation to ensure that you dont win too often in order to make you wanna spend money on better cards, in that the game will give you Maxx C but only when its you going first, or the opponent has ash or called by, or its a lab deck. Meanwhile the opponent without fail every time will have Maxx C for your turn AND their turn, and you didnt draw any handtraps, in spite of decks carrying upwards of 9 cards just because 1 is meta
I negate Maxx C if I have full combo. There's no other reason to do so otherwise. I've seen people shotgun Maxx C in standby when I have a garbage hand, so I set some traps and hope their minus 1 in hand is enough to make them brick too.
>draw triple tactics talent turn 1 >opponent handtraps you >get a bunch of options
versus >draw thrust turn 1 >opponent handtraps you >can't do jackshit
are you guys baiting me? if I run a normal trap floodgate to search turn 1 that shit is definitely gonna be a brick in my hand every time I go second
talents itself is a "brick" in theory. in that it's a reactionary card that's dead in your hand if your opponent doesn't HT you
same thing is true for thrust, except thrust also works for draw phase maxx c or lancea or whatever which means it's better
I don't know what any of those terms means, but maybe the game shouldn't be decided in either direction by any factors on turn 1. Maybe both sides should have to rely on multiple good decisions (and inevitably some luck because it's a card game) over the course of multiple turns to win.
why do transvestites not try to change their voice anymore? i remember back on other games community servers you could tell that they were a dude but they were still made an effort. now they just don't get called homosexual anymore. It's a sad thing to see
>you don't play imperm at 3
what the frick is Ganker on about today holy shit
enjoy bricking and getting maxx c'd during your draw phase, morons
8 months ago
Anonymous
>implying you don't run imperm along with anti-maxx c cards
it's one of the highest tier staples
saying "you don't play imperm at 3" is so far down the unplayer rabbit hole you might as well not be talking about YGO
8 months ago
Anonymous
>play Purrely >afraid of getting roach'd
If I only 1 called by and somehow know my opponent have both ash & roach, I will ignore roach everyfricking time.
More so if later we get rank 2 Noir
Interesting to contrast Subaru's account of her time with Master Duel and learning modern Yugioh from scratch to that one Hearthstone player's. Both play games for a living and both have no real attachment to Yugioh beyond passing familiarity, but Subaru actually decided to read the cards in her deck and make a note of which ones were strong, learning as she played. By contrast the other guy just gave up. As a result, Subaru was able to have fun despite going up against strong decks and ended up making something she wanted to play (Sounded like Dark Magician) whereas the pro card gamer just wanted the best deck spoonfed to him and didn't want to put in the work.
Very revealing about Yugioh as a game and it's new player experience "problem". In this game you have to read the cards and that's a hurdle some people just don't want to climb.
Part of it may have been playing solo vs playing on stream. If I were a streamer I'd be worried about "Am I spending too much time reading and practicing my cards? Are my viewers going to be bored?" also streamers have incentive to play up grievances for entertainment. The average twitch viewer would rather watch the loudmouth DSP type than a calm dude who admits that he has a lot to learn.
>konami literally has vtuber avatars >don't use them >their actual deck is so bad they're only used as a lv2 engine
WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY
How does Kashtira out Hu-Li? Also should I cut the Nadir package when Ariseheart comes out, or just try to out his Ariseheart and then Nadir in MP2?
Also, say YOU are playing against Mikanko and they start their turn by either normal summoning Hu-Li or equipping(but not activating the effect) of Arabesque. Which one would be more likely to make you immediately fire off a targeted removal effect?
So Zeus is their only actual in-engine option, and other than that they have to get a lucky draw? I can see why people are saying Mikanko will be good in Kash meta.
Yeah, but you also don't think it's good in this meta despite it being successful in many tournaments and easily climbing to Master 1 even with janky pure going first builds.
>being successful in many tournaments
homie any deck can reach master 1
8 months ago
Anonymous
>homie any deck can reach master 1
8 months ago
Anonymous
Let's see your Master 1 Appliancer build.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>any deck can reach master 1
and that's good. meaning I can bring my "bad" manko deck and use it for rank and DC and make people seethe when kaiju and lava golem kill their 5-minutes masturbation effort
8 months ago
Anonymous
>implying you will draw a kaiju or lava golem
My cards cant be tributed, response?
8 months ago
Anonymous
go ahead, I dare you to just bring those mask of restrict or whatever and enjoy losing more to other deck
and don't forget to seethe more when you get metched against mankos
8 months ago
Anonymous
I play Kashtira + Zues turbo, Mikanko cant even imagine a duel where they beat me, especially if I go first. Mikanko is so subpar, it loses to Galaxy Dragons
OK, that seems a lot better. So if they can get an Xyz out and not die to attacking with it, and get Scarekash out then they probably will win. If they only get 1 out by battle then they probably lose to just Rivalry.
You can try cutting Nadir for Thrust, if you're planning on rolling for it anyway
Both Arise and Noir have effects going off before main phase, this can let you grab a pot, prep, storm, even small world if you want to run a package to fetch a Kaiju.
>make a going second deck >never draw any hand traps going second, get ash'd/veiler'd/ghost ogre, cant ever full combo >go first >draw 4 hand traps
forced winrate is real and I cant be convinced otherwise
>opponent plays a normal monster with 5 equips >i draw 3 kashtira birth, ash blossom and riseheart
What a joke of a fricking game, they could make the rng manipulation less obvious
>look up OCG decklists with new support cards for decks I like >test them out in fansims to see how much better they are >now going back to the 'old' version in MD feels really boring
Why do I keep doing this?
Wish they'd hurry up bros 🙁
Last chance to apologize to the skillful and fun Tearlaments mirror match. We could've had a fun and skillful deck with non-linear combo lines AND a reasonable power level going off TCG bans, but Konami wanted to move new product and you all wanted to be contrarians.
You should probably separate winrate by heads/tails. Winning going first is a lot easier for most decks, to the point where I'd argue 4/3 with Branded is way better than 4/3 with HERO.
Good. GY floodgating sucks, but they're not 100% reliant on it, and Kash has few ways to deal with your board if you fail the OTK. Also Kaijus are good in Kash meta.
Kaijus, droll, and Nibiru eat Kashtira alive, and Mikanko is fine with running all 3. The thing about Kashtira too is that the cards that beat it, beat it really hard. Assuming you Golem their board and water arabesque anything else there's not much they can do. Having your graveyard messed with is annoying but plenty of Mikanko hands can play around that easily if they can't just kaiju the Ariseheart. It's a prosperity deck too so Unicorn doesn't even matter. Also, Ariseheart targets, so keep that in mind and play the green girl accordingly.
>one is completely in the throes of passion and the other is a bit more grounded and thus embarrassed
Hot. You gotta put out for your head-empty-horny mate
Needs transaction rollback but honestly both decks have cards they want in the grave so I could maybe see it. The issue is filling your graveyard without any ishizu millers, tears in the state they are in, grass at 1. Chaos Ruler exists though so maybe.
Lab really needs most of the deck to be archetypal, furniture, maids and 3 lady is a lot considering they are the result of the setup which runs 5 traps minimum (welcome and big welcome), I dunno if there'd be enough room for dragons considering lab consistency comes from trap card monster removal and furniture (because of chaos angel)
There might be a very small window if you negate the dragunity that fetches the field spell, popping the rokket field spell, or a different dimension ground to try and stop them from extending forever.
Otherwise, scoop and move to the next game.
EEV after they searched both field spells. Dbarrier synchro stops them from setting up 2 negates for your traps, it's not horrible. Take out triple burst or lubellion based on your preference.
D-barrier work to certain extent... declare synchro and their endboard will be just Borrelend. EEV also work, use it when they grab ravine or trying to activate it, without ravine and bootsector I don't think they can keep playing without god tier opening hand
The problem is that they usually can wipe my board and it's very difficult to recover because they usually banish my furniture with bystials and then negate my Big Welcome. Fricking bystials have been really fricking me up.
>Runick
More like almost every if not all deck will abuse it, even for deck without floating effect or doesn't rely on GY just for a chance or drawing handtraps
IIRC even in the episode Judai played this card he abused the frick out of its effect. They knew exactly what this card was capable of and basically printed it verbatim!
Had a really funny duel against dinomorphs the other day. Who knew the deck who's gimmick is to burn themselves down instantly loses to direct attacks from Meizen.
Think he means if ANY Spright variant gets popular it's going to make Nib dead. If everyone is running Nib for Kash then Spright gets stronger because it's dead vs them.
The deck is fricking boring as shit and only enabled by the fact that it has roach synergy. Why would anyone be excited for lame ass shit like rescue ace?
The playstyle seems neat but the deck is going to be missing 2 critical pieces of support that make it not lose to a single imperm, and playing it into Kashtira is just gonna feel bad. Also, on a personal note the art just isn't very good. They're all kind of big red machines with a bright orange flame background and the cards all blend together. I get that they're fire fighting machines but why not have Hydrant have a bright blue background to symbolize how it fuels all the other monster's effects with water like a real hydrant? Or maybe make one of the other machines white because fire fighters often cooperate with EMTs to evacuate fire victims? Just something to differentiate the various cards.
I doubt it's ended, they just introduced Veda to it as the big bad guy and they brought back Abyss so far with that Laughing Devil card after taking a break for a set.
Always treated as a Gate Guardian card
Cannot be normal summoned, must be summoned by Dark Element or the following effect
-Shuffle sanda/kazejin/suijin from hand/gy/field/banished into deck and summon this card from hand/gy
Cannot be destroyed by battle
If summoned by Dark Element this card is unaffected by other monsters and your opponent's spell effects
Dark Element
If you have a Gate Guardian monster in gy pay half your lp, summon a level 11+ Gate Guardian monster from hand/deck/extra ignoring summoning conditions
Banish from gy to search sanga/kazejin/suijin
Always treated as a Gate Guardian card
Cannot be normal summoned, must be summoned by Dark Element or the following effect
-Shuffle sanda/kazejin/suijin from hand/gy/field/banished into deck and summon this card from hand/gy
Cannot be destroyed by battle
If summoned by Dark Element this card is unaffected by other monsters and your opponent's spell effects
Dark Element
If you have a Gate Guardian monster in gy pay half your lp, summon a level 11+ Gate Guardian monster from hand/deck/extra ignoring summoning conditions
Banish from gy to search sanga/kazejin/suijin
>If you have a Gate Guardian monster in gy pay half your lp, summon a level 11+ Gate Guardian monster from hand/deck/extra ignoring summoning conditions >ignoring summoning conditions
Cheatsion doe be cheatin'
>go to look up a card >have to manually add -fandom to get the the good yugipedia and not the dogshit fandom or official search or reddit links or tcgplayer or other bullshit I don't want
So fricking annoying
I use an extension called Yugipedia Redirect to automatically just send me to YP instead of fandom shit.
Also Indie Wiki Buddy. Frick fandom. Even fricking Minecraft Wiki ditched them after putting up with their bullshit for so long.
Anon, I swear I'm not shilling, but just use MDM.
It's better for decklists but for individual cards yugipedia is much better overall and has a wealth more information. Sometimes the trivia section is a little iffy (outdated lore stuff usually) but overall good too.
I sincerely don’t get how anyone would want to do what you have to do in a TCG with those characters. Are you gonna have The Hulk turn Minne Mouse into paste with a Hulk Smash magic card then swing for lethal with Moana? Wtf? lol
I'm honestly not sure why it's so popular with the card game crowd, it seems to be doing well but Disney is revolting and no one who plays it at my locals is even a kid (all the kids care about is Pokemon, with a few who are being taught MtG by their dad).
But I've heard some shops have switched entirely to Lorcana, Wan Piss, and MtG for whatever reason, so I guess it's doing well. I don't see the appeal.
>it's so popular with the card game crowd
I’ve heard literally crickets about this thing, I didn’t even know it existed besides some shitposting on Ganker making fun of it, must all be artificial like everything else yidsney does
Idk, maybe. All I've seen is praise and stores going ape over it (a lot of scalpers and resellers to match) but like you, I've literally heard crickets about it at my locals even though they have a bin of its singles awkwardly sitting next to the Pokemon card showcase. None of the kids give a damn, and it doesn't seem like the adults do either since they're mostly entrenched in MtG, wan piss, and YGO with some Digimon on the side because one of the clerks is a judge.
I wouldn't have known about Lorcana if it were not for hearing about how scalpers are scalping the ever loving shit out of the game. Disneydrones probably still fricking buy it.
The YGO """investors""" are all losing their fricking shit over how much easier QCSecret Rares are to pull over Starlights in the past couple sets and extra salty that the Rarity Collection is reprinting the shit out of so many valuable cards. God help anyone who buys Droplet or Prosperity in the next couple days.
8 months ago
Anonymous
I cannot imagine the level of neurodivergence needed to try to treat YuGiOh of all fricking things as an investment vehicle >Move three days too late on selling a Cartesia >Lose $37
8 months ago
Anonymous
People see that it works with Magic the Gathering and Pokemon and just assume it'll work with Yugioh. But if you look at price charts every card that goes up over time is either some collector's piece like special rarities/Magic Ruler 1st editions, OR cards that are both playable and left out of reprint mega tins. Most other cards go down in price over time because for all the shit Yugioh gets about being an expensive game, Konami does reprint stuff. This isn't Magic where WOTC bends over backwards to "preserve value", or Pokemon where there was a bubble powered by e-celebs. Like this year's mega tins reprinted basically every archetypal card worth playing and I imagine next year we'll see staples like Thrust and expensive cards like Vanquish Soul reprinted.
And even without that, cards lose value over time just due to power creep. Look up the price of the meta contenders of yesteryear. Dark Armed Dragon used to be a $100+ card, now it's 5 cents. Sure it got reprinted, but even shit like Herald of Ultimateness (3 printings ever) is pennies.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>This isn't Magic where WOTC bends over backwards to "preserve value"
From what i've been reading about magic there's a lot of butthurt from the investor class about overprinting sets, Wizards going around shops to sell boxes under cost (apparently this is happening with the next set to come out), and far more aggressive reprints in sets that basically copy the Pokemon dynamic - the good cards are there, with increasingly rare foilings and alt arts. I think Magic's issue is that the sealed product is priced so high.
That said, I am so unbelievably happy that YuGiOh has really come down in cost in the past year or two. Ash Blossom was $31 when I started playing, and although it's been superseded by cards like tasking and divincarnate (fricking RIP lost one when they were $8), it's still nice to be able to get a good core of handtraps for under $50.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Wizards going around shops to sell boxes under cost
Literally everyone except Pokemon does this, buying a box on TCGplayer or other online dealers of a low demand set will cost less than half the price of the same box from a shop.
But yeah it's way more affordable outside of certain cards like Thrust or Chaos Angel bringing the cost up a lot. For example, a Labrynth topping deck would cost $50 or so were it not for the Chaos Angel set they use (each angel is ~$75 iirc). Imperm is getting reprinted in the Fire King SD and so is Solemn Judgement.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>mfw cyber structure imperms are still going for $7 >fire king structure effectively has like $20 worth of reprints in each box because it has droll and judgment too
When are they putting prosperity in a paper SD though
8 months ago
Anonymous
prospy is getting reprinted in the rarity set on nov
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Literally everyone except Pokemon does this
Does Konami really list boxes of sets in presale on amazon for less money than they'll sell to brick and mortar stores?
I have no clue why box prices for YGO dip so fast, but the people selling them that low have to be losing their asses.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Other websites do, idk about amazon they're all over the place when it comes to pricing anything. I may have misunderstood the issue, I do apologize but I keep up with MtG much less nowadays since my friend who was a huge MtGgay moved away.
For example a DUNE box is an avg. of $80 at a shop (since unless it's discounted, it's the same price as other boxes) but since DUNE was a terrible set outside of Rev Synchron and the Unchained support (plus that one Chimera people were trying to shill to resellers) it's discounted to around $37 on sites like TCGplayer last time I checked.
8 months ago
Anonymous
On one hand it's way better for actual players to be able to get playable cards without spending an arm and a leg (frick MtG, seriously) but on the other hand I heard some shops stopped carrying YGO because there were less investorgays buying it, which is bad for finding a place to play it.
Granted that's not an issue at my OTS though, people loved the tins there to the point where they're almost out of their ~200 tin stock of it and even fricking DUNE (actual shit set) sold out due to Unchained.
I'm excited for the RC because damn I love shiny cardboard I'm like a fricking magpie
8 months ago
Anonymous
From my understanding, it's the margins and order lead time from the distributors that is the problem, not that some of the sets are shit and investors aren't buying. What I'm hearing about estimated profit on sealed product is super fricked up, that the OTS stores are barely making 20 bucks profit per box even on the good sets (questionable). And also, the shops have to order from the distributors months before we can even pre-order and they don't know what the frick they're walking into, even worse than us because the set probably isn't even out in OCG yet to look at the list. And if they don't line up for every single release, they get deprioritized by the distributor for quantity of future product. Buying wholesale is very different than buying as a consumer, and some distributors are fricking dick. It doesn't help that KoA is also dick and probably fricks the distributors in some way as well.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Huh, I thought it was more because of
>Wizards going around shops to sell boxes under cost
Literally everyone except Pokemon does this, buying a box on TCGplayer or other online dealers of a low demand set will cost less than half the price of the same box from a shop.
But yeah it's way more affordable outside of certain cards like Thrust or Chaos Angel bringing the cost up a lot. For example, a Labrynth topping deck would cost $50 or so were it not for the Chaos Angel set they use (each angel is ~$75 iirc). Imperm is getting reprinted in the Fire King SD and so is Solemn Judgement.
with the box prices and such. The tins were being whined about because they reduced cost of cards with less "hits" due to no staples that people could resell aside from Fenrir and the Bystials. Again, wasn't an issue at all at my OTS and even the store owner's relative told me they did pretty well, so it must be a location specific thing (there's 2 OTS where I live and one is always busy and friendly vs the other one always being empty with a dickhead owner, guess which one did well lol).
Regardless as a player I do prefer it like this where I can pick up my Lady of the Labrynth and Arianna set for ten bucks instead of 200.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Investor shitheads got real scared of the tins, if you paid attention to the price of say Druiswurm, they mass bought it out and made it more expensive artificially. From like 2 to 3 bucks to 10 a copy now. They also bought out Saronir and did the same thing. Sub-dollar, dollar fifty to 3 to 5 bucks now. Their behavior lately has been unhinged, absolutely scrounging for anything they can resell. They also got lucky people wanted the QCS promos and jacked those up. But it's a separate issue, I was addressing what the concerns of the OTS are, who are now saying they are stopping carrying sealed product. They also resell singles, but when people talk about the """investors""" it's the people who have no brick and mortar and just sell online like it's fricking penny stocks. The OTS who sell singles are more reasonable, won't namedrop lest I be labeled a shill but one of them opened pre-sales for AGOV and clearly it was undervalued as they sold the frick out of Little Knight and Horus cores.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Ugh, so that's why I couldn't find a copy of Stardust there. What the frick is wrong with them, why don't they just wait for a set that they could do that with instead of just screwing up the tin prices?
Anyway I don't think it matters if you name it, it's not like people are going to be there. My OTS is in Canada, I believe most posters here are American with a few Germans mixed in and 2 OCG players.
8 months ago
Anonymous
you can fly to singapore
card is cheap here
8 months ago
Anonymous
Aren't you guys mired in a sticky meritocracy with extremely strict laws now? I'd give it a look otherwise.
By the way, random question but do you like Devil Survivor 2 Record Breaker?
8 months ago
Anonymous
i don't care about politics so i don't know the crap you talkin bout and no I don't play nintendoshit
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Rarity Collection
I did not know about this. Thanks for the heads up, praying for Prosperity to finally hit a reasonable price now.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Better get on it quick, people are going to clean it out fast judging by the absolutely moronic amount of preorders and stuff people are posting.
I heard in Japan (OCG has had RC for a long time) they limit people to 1 box per store and people have fought over it.
I wanna say Adin and Theo died when Long John betrayed the Swordsouls and fought with the Icejades. Either that or during the battle at the Dogmatika nation post-Zoa. Or maybe Konami just forgot about them. Either way they're not on the art for New Frontier so RIP.
8 months ago
Anonymous
They're alive. The last image from VBEX3 shows them.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Adin and Theo were with Fleur when she went to 1v1 Maximus like a moron while Albaz and friends were dealing with swordsoul plot. Presumably they died with her but who knows. Konami probably thought no one cares about them.
kek
but it's only a couple kids and they're playing against teens and other adults using their dad's legacy decks from what I saw. 90% of any time kids come in it's for Pokemon, not even all of them actually play it, just the other day 2 came in with their mom to buy singles of legendaries they liked.
Munin isn't that great outside of pure Runick because he only searches continuous spells, but Geri offers a lot of utility. You can recycle Fountains that have been sent to the graveyard, you can summon him in battle to crash into an opponent's monster, and in a pinch he's material for White Relic. Freki isn't really worth running over other ED targets like N'tss, Aggregator, Herald, etc. Just not that good.
As for this deck itself, I don't think it's that good. Dogmatika pure is actually pretty alright as far as rogue options go now that Tear and Branded aren't in the meta too much these days. But if you're going to play a Dogmatika mixture, definitely stick with Invoked or Branded. Nadir Servant remains one of the most insane search spells ever printed, Fleur is a great hand trap, Punishment is one of the strongest normal traps, and ED rips can really devastate strategies like Dragon Link. Invoked makes the deck more consistent and gives you a negate on board to protect Zoa, and Branded can add some insane high roll plays and gives you access to a live Branded Retribution by way of Maximus. It's not meta, but it's a solid rogue pick.
Ah, ok. I just already have both a full Dogmatika and full Runick deck, both pure. I've never used the Runick deck, I just got them while rolling for Labrynth and figured since they're splashable I'd keep them and make the deck.
I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong with Dragma. I can get out Zoa and co. consistently but rarely manage to have enough gas to snag a proper board out of it, and despite including 3x Dragmatrix I literally never fricking draw it.
Dogmatika is a weird deck just because it plays extremely fair by the standards of a modern ritual deck. No cheating like Drytron, no way to loop Benten, it actually can't even make use of generic tools like Pre-prep because despite depicting Maximus turning into Alba Zoa, none of the Dogmatika ritual spells actually mention the big bastard. Doesn't help that the deck's tools are at their best going second, but only the most godlike hands can survive 1 interruption. Knightmare Corruptor Iblee->Almiraj helps turn on Ecclesia and Matrix while locking your opponent, but it feels scummy and there just aren't enough copies of your good cards. Plus everything is an ash magnet and you're a rogue deck so ash slaughters you. Maybe it'll get better when we get Luluwalilith but I dunno.
>No cheating like Drytron
We have Dogmatikalamity which is Ritual materials from ED. Dogmatika is too fair of a deck though for the modern game for sure.
>it actually can't even make use of generic tools like Pre-prep
You can, just it can only get you Macabre and White Relic or White Knight. I think Pre-prep is wasted space though.
>Plus everything is an ash magnet
Damn right. I wish Branded Fusion was at 3 like TCG. Instant fricking Ash magnet, takes the heat off the things you actually want to resolve. Diviner is my designated Ash magnet. And Gale Dogra, kind of. That homie is the Imperm magnet and he puts in fricking work.
8 months ago
Anonymous
I've only managed to slot it into Mikanko (hilarious to just Nadir first, it's nice not being stuck with only one Ash bait).
[...]
Yeah even with a good hand if I get Ashed the best I can do is one ritual then pass. Maybe Matrix if I'm REALLY lucky.
Yeah it's just permanently in this weird spot of "Dies to 1 ash blossom" but sometimes you pull off the god opener and rip 10 cards from your opponent's ED and they just instantly lose. Branded mixes help with grindier games and Invoked gives you some board presence, but I just wish the deck had more in-engine extenders and playmakers. Punishment and Fleur put in so much goddamn work but they're often not enough. Too bad Nadir doesn't send for cost.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah that nuke is just hilarious and feels amazing when it happens.
Like the other anon said, Gale Dogra and Diviner are decent Ash magnets if you need them, I'm considering swapping my ratios of them even though Diviner's send is free because Dogra getting Ashed is meaningless.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>but I just wish the deck had more in-engine extenders and playmakers
fret not, as she will come soon
8 months ago
Anonymous
I love Dogmatika but frankly it's good for the game that the deck isn't stronger.
Ripping through EDs can be a real cancerous strat (as you can tell from Kash) and having to pack extra of your important URs is pretty ass as well.
8 months ago
Anonymous
frick you I wish dogmatika was as meta as kash or tears
8 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah I almost wish Zoa's ED rip was replaced by something like "Every time your opponent special summons a card from the Extra Deck, send a card from either ED to the grave". You could rip key combo pieces, send N'tss, Aggregator, etc. It'd give you more of a back and forth so decks like Purrely or Kash could rush to turbo out their bosses, but spam focused decks would have a harder time. Maybe cap it to 2 or 3 times per turn. As it is, Zoa either rips 7 cards from their ED and they just win with the remaining 8 cards, OR you've won on the spot. Not a great place, especially since Prosperity is limited and rips 1 less than Zoa.
I gave up on going first in MD with Dogmatika. I win more going second but still lose to absolute horseshit because the deck lacks a degree of power despite its consistency. I don't want to gamble my entire board first because little homosexual timmy is playing Raigeki.
[...]
Nah I don't. This deck would get hated into oblivion if it was meta. I want it to be under the radar. It's too easy to beat, be glad that despite people parroting Droll meta, we're not actually in a Droll meta.
>I gave up on going first in MD with Dogmatika
I've been thinking of mixing a small Dogmatika engine in Mikanko. Ecclesia/Fleur is a free body and 2 disruptions off Nadir, Matrix would be online, and White Relic can in theory pump your opponent's monsters to help with damage reflection. I'm just not sure if there's any space.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>I've been thinking of mixing a small Dogmatika engine in Mikanko
you'd probably want to try this. no need to thank me
8 months ago
Anonymous
>THIS made Nips shit themselves and cry in anger
8 months ago
Anonymous
I gave up on going first in MD with Dogmatika. I win more going second but still lose to absolute horseshit because the deck lacks a degree of power despite its consistency. I don't want to gamble my entire board first because little homosexual timmy is playing Raigeki.
frick you I wish dogmatika was as meta as kash or tears
Nah I don't. This deck would get hated into oblivion if it was meta. I want it to be under the radar. It's too easy to beat, be glad that despite people parroting Droll meta, we're not actually in a Droll meta.
It's alright, I just got bored of playing both pure and wanted to experiment, probably way less consistent than running either pure but if you get a decent hand it builds a way better board than pure dogmatika >Why 2 Geri and not the other Runicks?
Geri lets you recur Fountain while the other Runicks are way less applicable outside of a pure build
I've only managed to slot it into Mikanko (hilarious to just Nadir first, it's nice not being stuck with only one Ash bait).
Dogmatika is a weird deck just because it plays extremely fair by the standards of a modern ritual deck. No cheating like Drytron, no way to loop Benten, it actually can't even make use of generic tools like Pre-prep because despite depicting Maximus turning into Alba Zoa, none of the Dogmatika ritual spells actually mention the big bastard. Doesn't help that the deck's tools are at their best going second, but only the most godlike hands can survive 1 interruption. Knightmare Corruptor Iblee->Almiraj helps turn on Ecclesia and Matrix while locking your opponent, but it feels scummy and there just aren't enough copies of your good cards. Plus everything is an ash magnet and you're a rogue deck so ash slaughters you. Maybe it'll get better when we get Luluwalilith but I dunno.
Yeah even with a good hand if I get Ashed the best I can do is one ritual then pass. Maybe Matrix if I'm REALLY lucky.
I'm contemplating it, especially since the gy is kinda important for most cards with ariseheart coming, and I don't want to come into this towers meta without it.
ninjas can do stuff without hanzo, but without him, the ceiling is exponentially lower, since he is very important for the T2/3 otk
> decide to do the event today before it ends >win coin toss twice in a row and go first since I don't really have any good go second decks >my opponent immediately scoops >loss cointoss and go against a 60 cards punk/tears deck and curb stomps me >win coin toss on my final match and goes first >opponent scoops instantly
Good event I guess. I thought everyone was running mikanko now?
>saves my ass against Purrely and Kash over and over
I always saw her as stupid waste of UR but nowdays she turns the tables so often in my duels I love her over Ash.
>papershit
Oh good, one of you little bastards tell me what kind of toploaders are best, I got BCW ones to hold my fancy Lovely Labrynth and they seem kind of meh.
pls
>mikanko chink lets me go first with milky white chinamen of honest pet decks >mfw they literally cannot play anything through sinister or 10yuan zerker
Laughing at investors is all fun and games until stores drop the game since their inventory value got cut by 67% overnight.
This is one of the original reasons why MTG implemented the reserved list and had (HAD) a very stingy reprint policy. Even today while they're a lot looser the reprint packs are double or even triple the price of a normal booster so the big chase cards still maintain a lot of value.
If stores can't make their money back after a year of chase cards being $70-100 and more than it sounds like an issue with the store. And ultimately reprint sets usually sell well so they get to double dip anyway. Frick WOTC and frick paying 4 figures for a goddamn card game deck.
I'm not saying MTG's market isn't fricked and hasn't been fricked for years, I'm saying that trying to balance "happy stores/vendors" and "happy players" is more difficult than it may seem.
Even getting one part right is hard. I remember a MTG player talking about it on youtube a few years back and he said something to the degree of "The reprint system signals that it's OK to spend a lot of money in this game, because your buy-in cost is safe. If you want to exit or trade, your cards will retain value, if not grow, you don't have to be worried about getting rinsed because wizards decided it's time to reprint [blank]". He's probably drank some kool-aid and most definitely has a vested interest in cards not tanking in value, but it's a perspective I've never thought about because I only ever play budget-conscious decks regardless of what game I play.
>The reprint system signals that it's OK to spend a lot of money in this game, because your buy-in cost is safe
See, this sounds like koolaid poisoning just because why should a card game, something of fundamentally extremely minimal value (Ink and cardboard game pieces) have a "buy-in" cost? Like you wouldn't say that about any other board game. Imagine if, say, Team Fortress 2 had an upfront cost of $700 just because you could theoretically sell it to some other shmuck later down the line. Yeah in theory you have to have a PC or a console and an internet connection to play a video game but those have other utility that justifies their price. I understand that economics means some cards will always be expensive for some period of time barring the most aggressive reprint policy, but if the buy-in cost for a game's pieces exceeds that of a video game, ask yourself why that's necessary. Especially when the maker of the game controls the supply of game pieces and can theoretically lower the price of entry at any time. $50-60 for a deck? Fine, I'm a reasonable guy, that's a reasonable price. (Most) Magic decks are unreasonably priced, and WOTC does this intentionally.
>just because why should a card game, something of fundamentally extremely minimal value (Ink and cardboard game pieces) have a "buy-in" cost?
This stems from the entire business model as a whole. Because a booster box of 24-36 cards will run you 60-100 dollars depending on the game, and you won't have anywhere close to build a real deck with it. So then vendors need to make sure they get their money's worth from cracking a box, or they won't buy product. It's a shitty cycle where the only winning move is to not play, but these games are fun and it's hard to walk away from.
Boxes could cost less but that starts to run into the profit margins of the TCG producers and like hell Konami or Wizards(Hasbro) will let that happen, and smaller games can't afford that because they don't operate on the margins or scale that would enable them to.
I think because of this dynamic digital first card games will be the future of the genre. There's a similar upfront cost but the logistics of deploying digital cards brings the marginal cost close to zero, and you can theoretically undercut competitors. Any game with a crafting system also theoretically puts a hard cap on how valuable certain cards can be. Master Duel for instance charges a certain amount for pulls and while there is a degree of variance involved, any 3 random URs (And each 100 packs yields roughly 2.5 URs) can convert to any other random UR. Master Duel is fairly generous but everything I've seen indicates it's profitable.
Granted Yugioh is an established name but I wanna say a recent TCG was Digital-only first and then made physical cards based on that success. It's a shame but card shops are probably a middleman worth cutting out. While I do enjoy going someplace to hang out with people I know have the same hobby, the system has been technically obsolete ever since the early 2010s.
If only there were TCG boxes like the OCG version of DBPs where you can usually make 1-3 decks from a box for certain sets.
I think that's why Wild Survivors shifted all the Vanquish Souls to UR while letting Nouvelles and Dinos be cheap (doesn't even look like they all run Ground Xeno anymore, which is bizarre but hey a Dino deck costs like 15 bucks now without it, minus factoring in a few optional generics like DUNE's Evolzar whatsitsname).
>Imagine if, say, Team Fortress 2 had an upfront cost of $700 just because you could theoretically sell it to some other shmuck later down the line
literally what people were trying to do with NFTs
There were in fact games that actually had a buy in cost well over $700. For example, Axie Infinity needed you to have a team of 3 creatures. The cheapest one (before NFTs died) was $500, and you needed fricking 3 of them at minimum.
Of course NFTs crashed and burned hard but your hypothetical was reality for a while, and it was uh,
Ugly.
The problem with Magic is that it leans so far into the investorgay side that it prices people out of even fricking Standard, let alone Modern or Legacy (unless you're playing some caveman shit like Charbelcher). Kills a lot of would-be new players.
YGO is only experiencing something similar because they've pushed out a SHITLOAD of product this year, and most of it is garbage filler.
If they had consolidated their product releases instead of releasing literal nothing sets like soulburning volcano, they could have kept LGSes happier and prices up.
The biggest problem is that we're hitting the knock-on effect of post-POTE, where the powercreep has halted and even reversed course, and people just aren't feeling it.
So will those asian english ocg cards still only be legal in ocg once they've been printed in tcg as well? I don't want to spend $60 on magicians souls especially since illusion is actually affordable now
>Normal summon Robina, search Eglen, normal summon Eglen, search Empen, normal summon Empen :^) >Empen CL1, Robina CL2, Eglen CL3 :^) >Wait, what do you mean Ariseheart effect attach Robina >What do you mean Ariseheart effect banish Empen >What do you mean Ariseheart attach Empen
Bird status: POO'd
>The reprint system signals that it's OK to spend a lot of money in this game, because your buy-in cost is safe.
aka how to ensure new players never play your game
Good to know this general is filled with poo in the loo TCGcucks. Probably malding they spent all their shit on a needlessly expensive Numeron deck just because waifus.
it's nothing personal moron. if it's not a waifu deck, I don't give a shit about it. simple >implying people are mad about getting full purrely from buying mikanko
you're the one who's mad here bud
it's nothing personal moron. if it's not a waifu deck, I don't give a shit about it. simple >implying people are mad about getting full purrely from buying mikanko
you're the one who's mad here bud
>NOOOOO not the heckin set 4 backrow from directly from deck dodge roach deck! >You're supposed to celebrate bad decks like R Ace and Boarder stun being more viable because of roach!
I think Labrynth will be a very OP deck now (after the new pack release) since they are going to get 3 thrust in their deck.
Dbarrier and virus shenanigans spamming non-stop lmao
You know, I'm at close to 10k gems, I'm mostly waiting for other decks to get added, I've built most pet decks I want to build, I think I might take some time off this game.
>I think I might take some time off this game.
I only play casual MD with my irl friend.
My friend stopped playing last month so I am just login in to get gems. I stopped playing ranked for 3 months, and I feel good.
You could theoretically use Thrust to grab something like Dimensional Barrier but I'm not convinced Thrust is a 3-of auto-include. It's real utility in the physical TCG is that, in a best of 3 you have a way better chance of finding cards that you've sided in. So something like a DRNM or Lightning Storm going second, or an Appointer or Dim Barrier going first (If you get hand trapped). Plus, in Master Duel a lot of decks are already using most of their non-engine flex slots on the mandatory Maxx C package. So a lot of decks just don't have the room. I think it'll be kinda busted in Labrynth though. They ash Arianna or any turn 1 Welcome plays and you just set another one. Then going second you can grab a board breaker. And Labrynth has some trouble going second.
so then what happens when your opponent does not activate a monster effect and thrust is a brick?
8 months ago
Anonymous
you send them to grave for your purrely's cost
8 months ago
Anonymous
purrely discards aren't costs
8 months ago
Anonymous
ok so i discard them
8 months ago
Anonymous
You going first and don't get interrupted, what else do you want?
8 months ago
Anonymous
In Labrynth you'd pitch them for Furniture cost. It's not perfect I admit but statistically 50% of your games will be played going second and Labrynth has a hard time playing into established boards. Hypothetically getting to pick an appropriate board breaker AND getting to set any one of the dozen normal traps you're playing if you get interrupted turn 1 is a godsend.
8 months ago
Anonymous
I have been getting handtrapped out the fricking ass this season. Regular Talents is live most of the time right now, Thrust is gonna punish a lot of people for shotgunning Maxx C unless they knock that shit off.
oh no, however will I get my opponent to activate an effect when 95% of the playerbase is gonna be slurping ariseheart's wiener for the next 6 to 9 months?
max c
How to paperchads even survive without him?
by having a good fricking banlist and sidedeck?
side decking, board breakers
So glad there’s no side decking in MD. I literally play TCG irl and never have a side deck just because frick it.
>never have a side deck just because frick it.
a side deck can cost as much as dimes
>system down
>jinzo
>skill drain
Frick it dude.
>just side into anti spells and judgments andappointers bro
They hope to open a different type of out and pretend it's better.
kirin
>opponent uses Mind Control on Gaye
Raye, no!
release this instead
Frankly it won't be long because the shitty neverending powercreep has you fuse/summon directly from the OPPONENT'S deck
That would be a garbage effect, why would you ever want to do that?
In old yugioh when everything was gudstuff.dek, it would be good.
Modern archetype decks would make this suck unless you're playing a mirror, so maybe a good side card for mirrors and that's it. I guess some mill decks might use it?
>because the shitty neverending powercreep has you fuse/summon directly from the OPPONENT'S deck
Proofs?
kashtiraGODS please spare my butthole tomorrow i'm not playing a waifudeck i swear
>1 evenly
>1 dimension barrier
>in a 50 schizo dlink pile
D link players are the worst, and striker should be banned
the mokeys are obviously thrusts
pendulum b***h
Why do morons insist on making this a fricking general?
Some homosexual trying to get jannies to do shit
it's the ag schizo resorting to another tantrum and trying to get us banned, when all he's gonna do is get range-banned by the jannies (again)
>video game thread on a video game board
>no general OP with useless links or info
If you think I'm going to waste my time browsing /mdg/, you're sorely mistaken. That shithole has a pastebin troon that seethes at Ganker threads.
He will never be King of the Pastebin THOUGH
>king of a pastebin
Literally just make a new that's actually useful
>noooooo you can’t make threads about this game it’s a general, moooooods!
dilate….
Its been more than 1 year of continuous master duel threads on Ganker, we have survived mutiple boycotts and we will continue doing so.
Also we talk about the game, unlike the other gachashit generals
This is literally a general: a continously made thread for discussion of a single specific topic.
The only reason people pretend it's not is so that the thread doesn't get wiped or moves cross-board or some other gay shit.
>there are lucklets in this thread right now
don't worry sisters I'm sure she'll come back like the other alt arts
I might've rolled if they didn't give regular I:P an animation. Since they did, I didn't even try.
the OG one is still better
didn't roll, tail too ugly
I hardly play Link decks, but rolled her because she's cute
I pulled her right away. Where I fricked up was pulling from the chaos angel pack. Just finished what I had left of solo mode for 1k gems and pulled but no dice. I did pull a royal so I could just craft a chaos angel but I’ll probably just make a third imperm or something instead…
I rolled because the cool bike covers up more of her hideous femoid body
now that's a terrible bait
>anon is gay
The animation literally made me jizz my pants and I didn’t realize she had a tail, I already ran her in every deck but now instead of a cheerleader or something she looks fricking sick on a rad motorcycle in digital mushroom trip world with a tail? fricking sick love me Masquerena simple as and not a waifuBlack person at all
>UNBAN IT
Definitely isn't Ib.
>opp scoops after negating their maxx chud.
Why are master duel players so obsessed with their roach?
Because you either win if you resolve it, or lose if you don't, simple as.
Probably because master duel has a skewed algorithm for hand generation to ensure that you dont win too often in order to make you wanna spend money on better cards, in that the game will give you Maxx C but only when its you going first, or the opponent has ash or called by, or its a lab deck. Meanwhile the opponent without fail every time will have Maxx C for your turn AND their turn, and you didnt draw any handtraps, in spite of decks carrying upwards of 9 cards just because 1 is meta
cause my hand is shit it has called by and crossout in it
if they had no more disruption and you were able to fully coombo, they're nearly guaranteed to lose
Yugioh is a game that ends in 2-3 turns. If that was the only answer to what you're doing, then there's no point in staying.
Most likely because he's brick. For me Roach is just Ash bait, anything else is just a bonus
I negate Maxx C if I have full combo. There's no other reason to do so otherwise. I've seen people shotgun Maxx C in standby when I have a garbage hand, so I set some traps and hope their minus 1 in hand is enough to make them brick too.
What if Pot of Green...BUT YOU DRAW YOUR ENTIRE DECK!?
This is your new protagonist tonight
Ugly
>future xyz archetypes will get material protection
i am not looking forward to this powercreep
>/dng/ tier post
>draw triple tactics talent turn 1
>opponent handtraps you
>get a bunch of options
versus
>draw thrust turn 1
>opponent handtraps you
>can't do jackshit
are you guys baiting me? if I run a normal trap floodgate to search turn 1 that shit is definitely gonna be a brick in my hand every time I go second
Bro just run a random floodgate you weren't going run before!
or you run both and when they hand trap you, draw talents
your opponent won't have a monster on the field unless you got gamma'd. you won't be able to activate it.
dude if you're running thrust you also run at least 1x talents
it's still a big fricking brick going 1st unless you willingly add a brick going 2nd to your deck.
talents itself is a "brick" in theory. in that it's a reactionary card that's dead in your hand if your opponent doesn't HT you
same thing is true for thrust, except thrust also works for draw phase maxx c or lancea or whatever which means it's better
Sets D Barrier
Hope your Link deck can play through Shifter and Nibiru
Going first is an advantage itself. If your deck folded with just 1 disruption from your opponent then play better deck
thrust is always live
unlike TTT which is main phase only
>His deck doesn't have in-archetype S/T
If you Ash Circular I am going to get Superfactorial anyway. Not my problem.
I don't know what any of those terms means, but maybe the game shouldn't be decided in either direction by any factors on turn 1. Maybe both sides should have to rely on multiple good decisions (and inevitably some luck because it's a card game) over the course of multiple turns to win.
just play goat/edison
>just get sacked by the trinity bro
wrong general?
FREE HER
NEVER
so what do i do if i don't draw thrust?
gaylord
Grass
Will thrust keep maxxx C in check?
>maxx c
>activate thrust
>add called by
>called by maxx c
moron
add crossout instead in case if they ash thrust
>maxx c
>activate thrust
>pierce my opponent's heart
>get arrested and tried for second-degree murder
spell speed 6 card when?
>normal spell
ON MODEL
dragoon, though they gotta add him in the first place
average waifu deck player
Jess is so based
He really looks like Michael Jackson
*she
*Hee Hee
SHAMONE
>that voice
holy shit... i'm thinking it's over for whites bros
Here's your Lovely Labrynth bro
i'd be afraid of these frickers touching my cards and getting aids if i was a paperplayer
Birdsis...
Meanwhile MD...
>actual biological woman
WTF master duel is based?
>woman
lol
>goddess wosemi
based
>team APS
cringe
Her second outfit is better
both of them are better than her garbage third outfit
Sexo with the great Wosemi sama
Timeless quote
why do transvestites not try to change their voice anymore? i remember back on other games community servers you could tell that they were a dude but they were still made an effort. now they just don't get called homosexual anymore. It's a sad thing to see
Take notes MD babbies. Your meme format will never have beautiful babes like this.
ban circular
Decks for this feel?
Rikka, SS, and Labrynth
The original artist speaks the truth, men truly hit their peak at 13.
That's bullshit.
A man doesn't become heihachi when he gets older
Where's the archetype for real anime like FLCL
spellcaster belly
>White people
goodbye my beautiful deck
will have to switch to the pure version
>imperm x3
???
why would you not play imperm?
you play it, but not at 3 lol
It's not even a HOPT so the argument of not wanting to draw multiples doesn't even apply.
enjoy bricking and getting maxx c'd during your draw phase, morons
>implying you don't run imperm along with anti-maxx c cards
it's one of the highest tier staples
saying "you don't play imperm at 3" is so far down the unplayer rabbit hole you might as well not be talking about YGO
>play Purrely
>afraid of getting roach'd
If I only 1 called by and somehow know my opponent have both ash & roach, I will ignore roach everyfricking time.
More so if later we get rank 2 Noir
I play purrely btw
>you don't play imperm at 3
what the frick is Ganker on about today holy shit
These threads get dumber and dumber every week
whats the wincon
I just play whatever deck is the strongest. When it gets nerfed I dust it and learn a new deck.
Merli
Imperm would be straight up better than ash in a format without the roach
Why did yugi ditch silent swordsman and silent magician?
he self-insert into atem
DRAGOON
the secret tearlaments card that no one knows exists...
Interesting to contrast Subaru's account of her time with Master Duel and learning modern Yugioh from scratch to that one Hearthstone player's. Both play games for a living and both have no real attachment to Yugioh beyond passing familiarity, but Subaru actually decided to read the cards in her deck and make a note of which ones were strong, learning as she played. By contrast the other guy just gave up. As a result, Subaru was able to have fun despite going up against strong decks and ended up making something she wanted to play (Sounded like Dark Magician) whereas the pro card gamer just wanted the best deck spoonfed to him and didn't want to put in the work.
Very revealing about Yugioh as a game and it's new player experience "problem". In this game you have to read the cards and that's a hurdle some people just don't want to climb.
Part of it may have been playing solo vs playing on stream. If I were a streamer I'd be worried about "Am I spending too much time reading and practicing my cards? Are my viewers going to be bored?" also streamers have incentive to play up grievances for entertainment. The average twitch viewer would rather watch the loudmouth DSP type than a calm dude who admits that he has a lot to learn.
>Before you click the spoiler
Yeah can't do that on Ganker x
>konami literally has vtuber avatars
>don't use them
>their actual deck is so bad they're only used as a lv2 engine
WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY
How does Kashtira out Hu-Li? Also should I cut the Nadir package when Ariseheart comes out, or just try to out his Ariseheart and then Nadir in MP2?
Also, say YOU are playing against Mikanko and they start their turn by either normal summoning Hu-Li or equipping(but not activating the effect) of Arabesque. Which one would be more likely to make you immediately fire off a targeted removal effect?
>How does Kashtira out Hu-Li?
book of eclipse
zeus, kaijus, drnm, book of eclipse, etc
So Zeus is their only actual in-engine option, and other than that they have to get a lucky draw? I can see why people are saying Mikanko will be good in Kash meta.
>I can see why people are saying Mikanko will be good in Kash meta.
it's not
Yeah, but you also don't think it's good in this meta despite it being successful in many tournaments and easily climbing to Master 1 even with janky pure going first builds.
>being successful in many tournaments
homie any deck can reach master 1
>homie any deck can reach master 1
Let's see your Master 1 Appliancer build.
>any deck can reach master 1
and that's good. meaning I can bring my "bad" manko deck and use it for rank and DC and make people seethe when kaiju and lava golem kill their 5-minutes masturbation effort
>implying you will draw a kaiju or lava golem
My cards cant be tributed, response?
go ahead, I dare you to just bring those mask of restrict or whatever and enjoy losing more to other deck
and don't forget to seethe more when you get metched against mankos
I play Kashtira + Zues turbo, Mikanko cant even imagine a duel where they beat me, especially if I go first. Mikanko is so subpar, it loses to Galaxy Dragons
they can just search scareclaw. that card being on the field outs every mikanko monster.
OK, that seems a lot better. So if they can get an Xyz out and not die to attacking with it, and get Scarekash out then they probably will win. If they only get 1 out by battle then they probably lose to just Rivalry.
>Search Appointer through Thrust
Mikanko barely runs hand traps. Also they aren't usually dependent on one card to play through stuff.
All the Master rank Mikanko players I faced says otherwise about handtraps
They typically don't get Targeting protection without equip card first
They mostly just use Maxx C, and maybe Nib.
zeus
scareclaw
You can try cutting Nadir for Thrust, if you're planning on rolling for it anyway
Both Arise and Noir have effects going off before main phase, this can let you grab a pot, prep, storm, even small world if you want to run a package to fetch a Kaiju.
This one goes out to all the decks about to become unplayable for the foreseeable future. Ye shall be missed
For me it's Weather Painters. Who is it for (You)?
Punk.
>make a going second deck
>never draw any hand traps going second, get ash'd/veiler'd/ghost ogre, cant ever full combo
>go first
>draw 4 hand traps
forced winrate is real and I cant be convinced otherwise
Bo1 is so fricking stupid
>opponent plays a normal monster with 5 equips
>i draw 3 kashtira birth, ash blossom and riseheart
What a joke of a fricking game, they could make the rng manipulation less obvious
Should I run Bubble Crash from Triple Tactics Thrust to counter Maxx C?
Electrumite
I love her
I just want Lonami to stop hating Pendulums.
I miss Pend being viable so bad.
PendMag is still alright, and their new support looks cool
aaaa just give me the goddamn manko
>look up OCG decklists with new support cards for decks I like
>test them out in fansims to see how much better they are
>now going back to the 'old' version in MD feels really boring
Why do I keep doing this?
Wish they'd hurry up bros 🙁
few more hours until MD dies
?que?
Last chance to apologize to the skillful and fun Tearlaments mirror match. We could've had a fun and skillful deck with non-linear combo lines AND a reasonable power level going off TCG bans, but Konami wanted to move new product and you all wanted to be contrarians.
All Visas archetypes ARE SHIT! ESPECIALLY TEARS & KASH! IM NOT APOLOGIZING!
what the fool mate
What else should I track?
Mikanko, Purrely, maybe Labrynth trying to cope.
All three of these decks are dishonest and have terrible artwork.
You should probably separate winrate by heads/tails. Winning going first is a lot easier for most decks, to the point where I'd argue 4/3 with Branded is way better than 4/3 with HERO.
I'll track that too. Crazy part is a lost all of the games going first with Branded. Some how run into evenly matched twice. I'll add the
you missed 2 best deck: naturia runick and tearlaments strongest
>3k gemmies
i VILL get TWO 10 pulls with only SRs and one to 10 pull with 1 (one) guaranteed UR and i will be happy.
No you won't
How is it looking for Manko in Kash meta?
Good. GY floodgating sucks, but they're not 100% reliant on it, and Kash has few ways to deal with your board if you fail the OTK. Also Kaijus are good in Kash meta.
Kaijus, droll, and Nibiru eat Kashtira alive, and Mikanko is fine with running all 3. The thing about Kashtira too is that the cards that beat it, beat it really hard. Assuming you Golem their board and water arabesque anything else there's not much they can do. Having your graveyard messed with is annoying but plenty of Mikanko hands can play around that easily if they can't just kaiju the Ariseheart. It's a prosperity deck too so Unicorn doesn't even matter. Also, Ariseheart targets, so keep that in mind and play the green girl accordingly.
Do yugioh gays really think drawing cards is too strong?
Rush
Sex cats
Were those eyelashes really necessary?
Yes
They wouldn't be there if they were not
Those cats belong to Israel
Dude's face looks weird.
Quit it with the antisemitism anon
He 100% browses more than just /dng/
the japanese are trying to pull a sissy hypno on us. I'll NEVER frick animals or dragons
gato
>one is completely in the throes of passion and the other is a bit more grounded and thus embarrassed
Hot. You gotta put out for your head-empty-horny mate
The full pic is hotter but obviously NSFW
posts/4255994
Bless whoever wrote and approved this as an official part of the script.
>new salamangreat support turned it into a stun deck
gee thanks...
turned it
anon.... they were turboing out bagooska
a deck running bagooska doesn't make it a stun deck
it was the main objective
when were they not?
if they didn't rage pass they were just turboing out asscode
what does pot of greed do?
Would a Dragonmaid Labrynth deck work?
41% yourself
Needs transaction rollback but honestly both decks have cards they want in the grave so I could maybe see it. The issue is filling your graveyard without any ishizu millers, tears in the state they are in, grass at 1. Chaos Ruler exists though so maybe.
Lab really needs most of the deck to be archetypal, furniture, maids and 3 lady is a lot considering they are the result of the setup which runs 5 traps minimum (welcome and big welcome), I dunno if there'd be enough room for dragons considering lab consistency comes from trap card monster removal and furniture (because of chaos angel)
How do I stop Dragon Link as Lab? EEV doesn't work, Dbarrier doesn't work. They just keep extending to infinity.
There might be a very small window if you negate the dragunity that fetches the field spell, popping the rokket field spell, or a different dimension ground to try and stop them from extending forever.
Otherwise, scoop and move to the next game.
EEV after they searched both field spells. Dbarrier synchro stops them from setting up 2 negates for your traps, it's not horrible. Take out triple burst or lubellion based on your preference.
D-barrier work to certain extent... declare synchro and their endboard will be just Borrelend. EEV also work, use it when they grab ravine or trying to activate it, without ravine and bootsector I don't think they can keep playing without god tier opening hand
The problem is that they usually can wipe my board and it's very difficult to recover because they usually banish my furniture with bystials and then negate my Big Welcome. Fricking bystials have been really fricking me up.
>copped a feel on the way out
Wow he's literally me.
Konami should make a normal spell which reads “negate all lingering effects currently applied to the field and either players.”
lol negating lingering effects would be busted which pretty much removes archetypal locks
>Um those archetype locks are conditions and not effects so they aren’t affected
Problem solved
>goblin rider ft. mikanko (isolde turbo)
*sigh*
I hate Isolde. One of those cards that just makes everyone build around it to be as generic as possible.
they didn't give goblins a win condition yet
they need special wincon like win after 3 rape counters
they can turbo ashura king, xyz armor monsters, invoker, etc. (not counting rank 6 xyz monsters)
Her
Reminder that Kashtira should zone lock Dragon Link's Pisty zone
yata garasu?
Heavymetalfoes Electrumite
Performapal Monkeyboard
imagine full power dragon rulers with kash
My god
>a dragon that manipulates earth
>loses to a normal human it if dares to attack him
axe rider is psychopath tho
Toadally Awesome
I want my favorite card back but Runick would abuse it.
>Runick
More like almost every if not all deck will abuse it, even for deck without floating effect or doesn't rely on GY just for a chance or drawing handtraps
*of drawing
IIRC even in the episode Judai played this card he abused the frick out of its effect. They knew exactly what this card was capable of and basically printed it verbatim!
>Judai
>and basically printed it verbatim
mirage of nightmare come before GX era bruh
Oh did it? Well still. Judai used it and abused it in the obvious way.
anon..............................................................................
Had a really funny duel against dinomorphs the other day. Who knew the deck who's gimmick is to burn themselves down instantly loses to direct attacks from Meizen.
I actually did know that.
they are not good without "intact"
have a nice day
Is DL dead with kashmeta?
It being banned makes absolutely no sense with all the shit that has come out in the last 10 yerars.
Literally no one would run any other pot if they brought it back.
Not only that, 100% of decks would run Greed and its not even a turn 1 counter balance tool like Maxx C
If you're going second Pot of Greed is a dead card
It is not once per turn, so it could be used as bait. It is better than drawing 2-3 of OPT cards.
Stupidest thing I've read all day.
such a moron
that implies all the other pots are dead going second too which is untrue
>card that at worst is ended as 1 on 1 negate bait with no cost & no activation requirement at all is a dead card when going second
???
BASED
Take the L you dumb homosexual.
You are being rude.
Decks that run Desires would run both.
What if we banned prosperity and put pot of greed at 1
floowandereeze nuts
seriously when are they going to gut floo
Mystic Mine
When Bystial Dis Pater?
So how strong is GishkiSpright?
Just another flavor of spright so expect similar results. On the bright side all the nibs people will be running will become bricks.
That's already the case with Gigantic Spright isn't it.
Think he means if ANY Spright variant gets popular it's going to make Nib dead. If everyone is running Nib for Kash then Spright gets stronger because it's dead vs them.
MD will be the format to test how good it is for an extended period of time, unless Konami has a sudden Elf ban
Secret daruma cannon drop...
They won't include a card that's good vs Kash in the pack meant to shill Kash.
3 of each of exodia piece.
Test
Soon!
Why is nobody excited for Rescue Ace?
They are so fricking ugly to look at and are striker tier boring. Also they aren't getting the good cards.
They're missing their co-worker
Who is this bawd
Diabellstarr The Black Witch
new face of the franchise
because it's going to be missing everything that makes it good
its most likely just the first wave of support which is rather bad
no boobs = skip
dumb gishki poster
Gishki Ariel has no boobs either...
fricking flatty, no the nekroz doesn't count
>not a little girl deck
don't care
Missing the 2 cards that make it good
The deck is fricking boring as shit and only enabled by the fact that it has roach synergy. Why would anyone be excited for lame ass shit like rescue ace?
But I’m excited for R-Ace, I want to play as the fire fighter
The playstyle seems neat but the deck is going to be missing 2 critical pieces of support that make it not lose to a single imperm, and playing it into Kashtira is just gonna feel bad. Also, on a personal note the art just isn't very good. They're all kind of big red machines with a bright orange flame background and the cards all blend together. I get that they're fire fighting machines but why not have Hydrant have a bright blue background to symbolize how it fuels all the other monster's effects with water like a real hydrant? Or maybe make one of the other machines white because fire fighters often cooperate with EMTs to evacuate fire victims? Just something to differentiate the various cards.
where the frick is gold pride?
>TCG pack is out in Japan since last month
>no Golden Pride, Gate Guardian no nothing.
I will only use humanoid archetypes and that's the bottom line.
gate guardian support !?
The GX Gate Guardian Dark Guardian support cards are real
Is that fricking Dark Guardian that the Paradox Bros played in GX???
The setcode pretty much spells out that Visas ended, there is no more lore main deck monsters in this set
they need to cancel vishit early
I doubt it's ended, they just introduced Veda to it as the big bad guy and they brought back Abyss so far with that Laughing Devil card after taking a break for a set.
Always treated as a Gate Guardian card
Cannot be normal summoned, must be summoned by Dark Element or the following effect
-Shuffle sanda/kazejin/suijin from hand/gy/field/banished into deck and summon this card from hand/gy
Cannot be destroyed by battle
If summoned by Dark Element this card is unaffected by other monsters and your opponent's spell effects
Dark Element
If you have a Gate Guardian monster in gy pay half your lp, summon a level 11+ Gate Guardian monster from hand/deck/extra ignoring summoning conditions
Banish from gy to search sanga/kazejin/suijin
>If you have a Gate Guardian monster in gy pay half your lp, summon a level 11+ Gate Guardian monster from hand/deck/extra ignoring summoning conditions
>ignoring summoning conditions
Cheatsion doe be cheatin'
Where is the Wall Shadow retrain? Who cares about Gage Guardian, Wall Shadow is actually cool.
thats just shadow ghoul fused with the lab walls
he got turned into a field spell searcher
Mikan Manko bros, genki tbh ka?
manko nakadashi
>go to look up a card
>have to manually add -fandom to get the the good yugipedia and not the dogshit fandom or official search or reddit links or tcgplayer or other bullshit I don't want
So fricking annoying
Anon, I swear I'm not shilling, but just use MDM.
But then I have to add mdm to the search you frickwit. And mdm doesn't give me a gallery to save high res cards.
mdm doesn't give you rulings, erratas, etc
Just save yugipedia as a favorite and instead of going to google go there and search
ever consider to use db instead?
https://www.db.yugioh-card.com/yugiohdb/card_search.action
Dozo
https://www.masterduelmeta.com
download edopro. it's the easiest way to look up any card on demand.
>download uninstallable malware
Nein.
homie just use bookmarks
I use an extension called Yugipedia Redirect to automatically just send me to YP instead of fandom shit.
Also Indie Wiki Buddy. Frick fandom. Even fricking Minecraft Wiki ditched them after putting up with their bullshit for so long.
It's better for decklists but for individual cards yugipedia is much better overall and has a wealth more information. Sometimes the trivia section is a little iffy (outdated lore stuff usually) but overall good too.
Do Visas or Albaz have any space left in the card list for new support or has Diabellstar won?
Haven't they literally only shown like 20 cards from the yubel set including the goblins
The set code follows an order, Some anime legacy support -> Lore Stuff -> Support (sometimes even more anime stuff goes here)
https://yugipedia.com/wiki/Phantom_Nightmare
How you liking Lorkana, Ganker?
Jej. Is there even a market for more Disney fellating?
I sincerely don’t get how anyone would want to do what you have to do in a TCG with those characters. Are you gonna have The Hulk turn Minne Mouse into paste with a Hulk Smash magic card then swing for lethal with Moana? Wtf? lol
I'm honestly not sure why it's so popular with the card game crowd, it seems to be doing well but Disney is revolting and no one who plays it at my locals is even a kid (all the kids care about is Pokemon, with a few who are being taught MtG by their dad).
But I've heard some shops have switched entirely to Lorcana, Wan Piss, and MtG for whatever reason, so I guess it's doing well. I don't see the appeal.
>it's so popular with the card game crowd
I’ve heard literally crickets about this thing, I didn’t even know it existed besides some shitposting on Ganker making fun of it, must all be artificial like everything else yidsney does
Idk, maybe. All I've seen is praise and stores going ape over it (a lot of scalpers and resellers to match) but like you, I've literally heard crickets about it at my locals even though they have a bin of its singles awkwardly sitting next to the Pokemon card showcase. None of the kids give a damn, and it doesn't seem like the adults do either since they're mostly entrenched in MtG, wan piss, and YGO with some Digimon on the side because one of the clerks is a judge.
YGO is becoming too high IQ for its own good and keeping new players out.
Good
I wouldn't have known about Lorcana if it were not for hearing about how scalpers are scalping the ever loving shit out of the game. Disneydrones probably still fricking buy it.
I’m glad all the Disneycucks are getting scalped while YGO kings stay winning.
The YGO """investors""" are all losing their fricking shit over how much easier QCSecret Rares are to pull over Starlights in the past couple sets and extra salty that the Rarity Collection is reprinting the shit out of so many valuable cards. God help anyone who buys Droplet or Prosperity in the next couple days.
I cannot imagine the level of neurodivergence needed to try to treat YuGiOh of all fricking things as an investment vehicle
>Move three days too late on selling a Cartesia
>Lose $37
People see that it works with Magic the Gathering and Pokemon and just assume it'll work with Yugioh. But if you look at price charts every card that goes up over time is either some collector's piece like special rarities/Magic Ruler 1st editions, OR cards that are both playable and left out of reprint mega tins. Most other cards go down in price over time because for all the shit Yugioh gets about being an expensive game, Konami does reprint stuff. This isn't Magic where WOTC bends over backwards to "preserve value", or Pokemon where there was a bubble powered by e-celebs. Like this year's mega tins reprinted basically every archetypal card worth playing and I imagine next year we'll see staples like Thrust and expensive cards like Vanquish Soul reprinted.
And even without that, cards lose value over time just due to power creep. Look up the price of the meta contenders of yesteryear. Dark Armed Dragon used to be a $100+ card, now it's 5 cents. Sure it got reprinted, but even shit like Herald of Ultimateness (3 printings ever) is pennies.
>This isn't Magic where WOTC bends over backwards to "preserve value"
From what i've been reading about magic there's a lot of butthurt from the investor class about overprinting sets, Wizards going around shops to sell boxes under cost (apparently this is happening with the next set to come out), and far more aggressive reprints in sets that basically copy the Pokemon dynamic - the good cards are there, with increasingly rare foilings and alt arts. I think Magic's issue is that the sealed product is priced so high.
That said, I am so unbelievably happy that YuGiOh has really come down in cost in the past year or two. Ash Blossom was $31 when I started playing, and although it's been superseded by cards like tasking and divincarnate (fricking RIP lost one when they were $8), it's still nice to be able to get a good core of handtraps for under $50.
>Wizards going around shops to sell boxes under cost
Literally everyone except Pokemon does this, buying a box on TCGplayer or other online dealers of a low demand set will cost less than half the price of the same box from a shop.
But yeah it's way more affordable outside of certain cards like Thrust or Chaos Angel bringing the cost up a lot. For example, a Labrynth topping deck would cost $50 or so were it not for the Chaos Angel set they use (each angel is ~$75 iirc). Imperm is getting reprinted in the Fire King SD and so is Solemn Judgement.
>mfw cyber structure imperms are still going for $7
>fire king structure effectively has like $20 worth of reprints in each box because it has droll and judgment too
When are they putting prosperity in a paper SD though
prospy is getting reprinted in the rarity set on nov
>Literally everyone except Pokemon does this
Does Konami really list boxes of sets in presale on amazon for less money than they'll sell to brick and mortar stores?
I have no clue why box prices for YGO dip so fast, but the people selling them that low have to be losing their asses.
Other websites do, idk about amazon they're all over the place when it comes to pricing anything. I may have misunderstood the issue, I do apologize but I keep up with MtG much less nowadays since my friend who was a huge MtGgay moved away.
For example a DUNE box is an avg. of $80 at a shop (since unless it's discounted, it's the same price as other boxes) but since DUNE was a terrible set outside of Rev Synchron and the Unchained support (plus that one Chimera people were trying to shill to resellers) it's discounted to around $37 on sites like TCGplayer last time I checked.
On one hand it's way better for actual players to be able to get playable cards without spending an arm and a leg (frick MtG, seriously) but on the other hand I heard some shops stopped carrying YGO because there were less investorgays buying it, which is bad for finding a place to play it.
Granted that's not an issue at my OTS though, people loved the tins there to the point where they're almost out of their ~200 tin stock of it and even fricking DUNE (actual shit set) sold out due to Unchained.
I'm excited for the RC because damn I love shiny cardboard I'm like a fricking magpie
From my understanding, it's the margins and order lead time from the distributors that is the problem, not that some of the sets are shit and investors aren't buying. What I'm hearing about estimated profit on sealed product is super fricked up, that the OTS stores are barely making 20 bucks profit per box even on the good sets (questionable). And also, the shops have to order from the distributors months before we can even pre-order and they don't know what the frick they're walking into, even worse than us because the set probably isn't even out in OCG yet to look at the list. And if they don't line up for every single release, they get deprioritized by the distributor for quantity of future product. Buying wholesale is very different than buying as a consumer, and some distributors are fricking dick. It doesn't help that KoA is also dick and probably fricks the distributors in some way as well.
Huh, I thought it was more because of
with the box prices and such. The tins were being whined about because they reduced cost of cards with less "hits" due to no staples that people could resell aside from Fenrir and the Bystials. Again, wasn't an issue at all at my OTS and even the store owner's relative told me they did pretty well, so it must be a location specific thing (there's 2 OTS where I live and one is always busy and friendly vs the other one always being empty with a dickhead owner, guess which one did well lol).
Regardless as a player I do prefer it like this where I can pick up my Lady of the Labrynth and Arianna set for ten bucks instead of 200.
Investor shitheads got real scared of the tins, if you paid attention to the price of say Druiswurm, they mass bought it out and made it more expensive artificially. From like 2 to 3 bucks to 10 a copy now. They also bought out Saronir and did the same thing. Sub-dollar, dollar fifty to 3 to 5 bucks now. Their behavior lately has been unhinged, absolutely scrounging for anything they can resell. They also got lucky people wanted the QCS promos and jacked those up. But it's a separate issue, I was addressing what the concerns of the OTS are, who are now saying they are stopping carrying sealed product. They also resell singles, but when people talk about the """investors""" it's the people who have no brick and mortar and just sell online like it's fricking penny stocks. The OTS who sell singles are more reasonable, won't namedrop lest I be labeled a shill but one of them opened pre-sales for AGOV and clearly it was undervalued as they sold the frick out of Little Knight and Horus cores.
Ugh, so that's why I couldn't find a copy of Stardust there. What the frick is wrong with them, why don't they just wait for a set that they could do that with instead of just screwing up the tin prices?
Anyway I don't think it matters if you name it, it's not like people are going to be there. My OTS is in Canada, I believe most posters here are American with a few Germans mixed in and 2 OCG players.
you can fly to singapore
card is cheap here
Aren't you guys mired in a sticky meritocracy with extremely strict laws now? I'd give it a look otherwise.
By the way, random question but do you like Devil Survivor 2 Record Breaker?
i don't care about politics so i don't know the crap you talkin bout and no I don't play nintendoshit
>Rarity Collection
I did not know about this. Thanks for the heads up, praying for Prosperity to finally hit a reasonable price now.
Better get on it quick, people are going to clean it out fast judging by the absolutely moronic amount of preorders and stuff people are posting.
I heard in Japan (OCG has had RC for a long time) they limit people to 1 box per store and people have fought over it.
>care about is Pokemon, with a few who are being taught MtG by their dad
“now summon the gay men in attack mode son”
Weren't these guys just following the ex-Saintess?
What even happened to them after she got captured and tortured to death?
Probably having Australian ice cream.
>4 delicious chances to have a gay time!
kek they have to being doing that shit on purpose, fricking aussies
I wanna say Adin and Theo died when Long John betrayed the Swordsouls and fought with the Icejades. Either that or during the battle at the Dogmatika nation post-Zoa. Or maybe Konami just forgot about them. Either way they're not on the art for New Frontier so RIP.
They're alive. The last image from VBEX3 shows them.
Adin and Theo were with Fleur when she went to 1v1 Maximus like a moron while Albaz and friends were dealing with swordsoul plot. Presumably they died with her but who knows. Konami probably thought no one cares about them.
>haha two males in proximity of each other Sam and Frodo are gay!
ok troony (pedophile)
look closer…
kek
but it's only a couple kids and they're playing against teens and other adults using their dad's legacy decks from what I saw. 90% of any time kids come in it's for Pokemon, not even all of them actually play it, just the other day 2 came in with their mom to buy singles of legendaries they liked.
CATHOLICS have gone insane
FREE TRI-BRIGADES RESISTANCE IS NOT TERRORISM
I could make this right now, is it actually any good? Why 2 Geri and not the other Runicks?
Munin isn't that great outside of pure Runick because he only searches continuous spells, but Geri offers a lot of utility. You can recycle Fountains that have been sent to the graveyard, you can summon him in battle to crash into an opponent's monster, and in a pinch he's material for White Relic. Freki isn't really worth running over other ED targets like N'tss, Aggregator, Herald, etc. Just not that good.
As for this deck itself, I don't think it's that good. Dogmatika pure is actually pretty alright as far as rogue options go now that Tear and Branded aren't in the meta too much these days. But if you're going to play a Dogmatika mixture, definitely stick with Invoked or Branded. Nadir Servant remains one of the most insane search spells ever printed, Fleur is a great hand trap, Punishment is one of the strongest normal traps, and ED rips can really devastate strategies like Dragon Link. Invoked makes the deck more consistent and gives you a negate on board to protect Zoa, and Branded can add some insane high roll plays and gives you access to a live Branded Retribution by way of Maximus. It's not meta, but it's a solid rogue pick.
Ah, ok. I just already have both a full Dogmatika and full Runick deck, both pure. I've never used the Runick deck, I just got them while rolling for Labrynth and figured since they're splashable I'd keep them and make the deck.
I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong with Dragma. I can get out Zoa and co. consistently but rarely manage to have enough gas to snag a proper board out of it, and despite including 3x Dragmatrix I literally never fricking draw it.
Dogmatika is a weird deck just because it plays extremely fair by the standards of a modern ritual deck. No cheating like Drytron, no way to loop Benten, it actually can't even make use of generic tools like Pre-prep because despite depicting Maximus turning into Alba Zoa, none of the Dogmatika ritual spells actually mention the big bastard. Doesn't help that the deck's tools are at their best going second, but only the most godlike hands can survive 1 interruption. Knightmare Corruptor Iblee->Almiraj helps turn on Ecclesia and Matrix while locking your opponent, but it feels scummy and there just aren't enough copies of your good cards. Plus everything is an ash magnet and you're a rogue deck so ash slaughters you. Maybe it'll get better when we get Luluwalilith but I dunno.
>No cheating like Drytron
We have Dogmatikalamity which is Ritual materials from ED. Dogmatika is too fair of a deck though for the modern game for sure.
>it actually can't even make use of generic tools like Pre-prep
You can, just it can only get you Macabre and White Relic or White Knight. I think Pre-prep is wasted space though.
>Plus everything is an ash magnet
Damn right. I wish Branded Fusion was at 3 like TCG. Instant fricking Ash magnet, takes the heat off the things you actually want to resolve. Diviner is my designated Ash magnet. And Gale Dogra, kind of. That homie is the Imperm magnet and he puts in fricking work.
Yeah it's just permanently in this weird spot of "Dies to 1 ash blossom" but sometimes you pull off the god opener and rip 10 cards from your opponent's ED and they just instantly lose. Branded mixes help with grindier games and Invoked gives you some board presence, but I just wish the deck had more in-engine extenders and playmakers. Punishment and Fleur put in so much goddamn work but they're often not enough. Too bad Nadir doesn't send for cost.
Yeah that nuke is just hilarious and feels amazing when it happens.
Like the other anon said, Gale Dogra and Diviner are decent Ash magnets if you need them, I'm considering swapping my ratios of them even though Diviner's send is free because Dogra getting Ashed is meaningless.
>but I just wish the deck had more in-engine extenders and playmakers
fret not, as she will come soon
I love Dogmatika but frankly it's good for the game that the deck isn't stronger.
Ripping through EDs can be a real cancerous strat (as you can tell from Kash) and having to pack extra of your important URs is pretty ass as well.
frick you I wish dogmatika was as meta as kash or tears
Yeah I almost wish Zoa's ED rip was replaced by something like "Every time your opponent special summons a card from the Extra Deck, send a card from either ED to the grave". You could rip key combo pieces, send N'tss, Aggregator, etc. It'd give you more of a back and forth so decks like Purrely or Kash could rush to turbo out their bosses, but spam focused decks would have a harder time. Maybe cap it to 2 or 3 times per turn. As it is, Zoa either rips 7 cards from their ED and they just win with the remaining 8 cards, OR you've won on the spot. Not a great place, especially since Prosperity is limited and rips 1 less than Zoa.
>I gave up on going first in MD with Dogmatika
I've been thinking of mixing a small Dogmatika engine in Mikanko. Ecclesia/Fleur is a free body and 2 disruptions off Nadir, Matrix would be online, and White Relic can in theory pump your opponent's monsters to help with damage reflection. I'm just not sure if there's any space.
>I've been thinking of mixing a small Dogmatika engine in Mikanko
you'd probably want to try this. no need to thank me
>THIS made Nips shit themselves and cry in anger
I gave up on going first in MD with Dogmatika. I win more going second but still lose to absolute horseshit because the deck lacks a degree of power despite its consistency. I don't want to gamble my entire board first because little homosexual timmy is playing Raigeki.
Nah I don't. This deck would get hated into oblivion if it was meta. I want it to be under the radar. It's too easy to beat, be glad that despite people parroting Droll meta, we're not actually in a Droll meta.
It's alright, I just got bored of playing both pure and wanted to experiment, probably way less consistent than running either pure but if you get a decent hand it builds a way better board than pure dogmatika
>Why 2 Geri and not the other Runicks?
Geri lets you recur Fountain while the other Runicks are way less applicable outside of a pure build
I've only managed to slot it into Mikanko (hilarious to just Nadir first, it's nice not being stuck with only one Ash bait).
Yeah even with a good hand if I get Ashed the best I can do is one ritual then pass. Maybe Matrix if I'm REALLY lucky.
so what pet decks have you guys been playing?
Is ninjas a petdeck? cuz I've been doing nothing but normal summoning hanzo for weeks now.
its rogue but i will allow it, have you tried running small world in the deck i heard the deck really need to find hanzo to do anything?
I'm contemplating it, especially since the gy is kinda important for most cards with ariseheart coming, and I don't want to come into this towers meta without it.
ninjas can do stuff without hanzo, but without him, the ceiling is exponentially lower, since he is very important for the T2/3 otk
> decide to do the event today before it ends
>win coin toss twice in a row and go first since I don't really have any good go second decks
>my opponent immediately scoops
>loss cointoss and go against a 60 cards punk/tears deck and curb stomps me
>win coin toss on my final match and goes first
>opponent scoops instantly
Good event I guess. I thought everyone was running mikanko now?
it's all numeron or galaxy eyes otk
Stormwinds, I want my cheesy Harpie board locks again. Frick Floo.
Surely no other deck can reliably special summon it out especially one with how hard Rank 7 monsters are to make
ALL YOU FRICKS WANT TO RUIN MY FUN REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>see someone on youtube playing drytron mikanko
bros? is drytron back??
someone stop konami from turning the game off for maint
we in kurikara meta now?
>saves my ass against Purrely and Kash over and over
I always saw her as stupid waste of UR but nowdays she turns the tables so often in my duels I love her over Ash.
Cheaper to use too since E-Tele functions as an extra copy in a pinch.
Also way cuter than Ash
mating press
ANXIETY.
ANXIETY.
ANXIETY.
Time to play duel links
Blow me.
anon no, your steam balance
>papershit
Oh good, one of you little bastards tell me what kind of toploaders are best, I got BCW ones to hold my fancy Lovely Labrynth and they seem kind of meh.
pls
friend that was a paper gay shilled dragon shield
I've got those, I mean the hard plastic ones that go around those.
Yuki-Onna and her daughter
Ah, my signal to go the frick to bed
It's up.
My wiener ready to Thrust you
True King of All Calamities
Because frick you
>mikanko chink lets me go first with milky white chinamen of honest pet decks
>mfw they literally cannot play anything through sinister or 10yuan zerker
Started watching Yugioh Sevens and found a good image for these threads
actual photo of a rushtroony kneeling to MD GODS
not as good as gongenzakakneel.webm
Nah, I like the Yuma one better
do you guys think Ariseheart will cause any staplers to be thrown?
The staplers would be banished by ariseheart
Mostly untouched kashtira and perpetual tear hits is the result of stapler thrower's seething. The question is what's going to get thrown at him.
Isn't it more of kashtira even existing after spright and tear both needing to be retconned from tier 0 right after each other
Laughing at investors is all fun and games until stores drop the game since their inventory value got cut by 67% overnight.
This is one of the original reasons why MTG implemented the reserved list and had (HAD) a very stingy reprint policy. Even today while they're a lot looser the reprint packs are double or even triple the price of a normal booster so the big chase cards still maintain a lot of value.
plz buy $1000 random official "proxy" card
If stores can't make their money back after a year of chase cards being $70-100 and more than it sounds like an issue with the store. And ultimately reprint sets usually sell well so they get to double dip anyway. Frick WOTC and frick paying 4 figures for a goddamn card game deck.
I'm not saying MTG's market isn't fricked and hasn't been fricked for years, I'm saying that trying to balance "happy stores/vendors" and "happy players" is more difficult than it may seem.
Even getting one part right is hard. I remember a MTG player talking about it on youtube a few years back and he said something to the degree of "The reprint system signals that it's OK to spend a lot of money in this game, because your buy-in cost is safe. If you want to exit or trade, your cards will retain value, if not grow, you don't have to be worried about getting rinsed because wizards decided it's time to reprint [blank]". He's probably drank some kool-aid and most definitely has a vested interest in cards not tanking in value, but it's a perspective I've never thought about because I only ever play budget-conscious decks regardless of what game I play.
>The reprint system signals that it's OK to spend a lot of money in this game, because your buy-in cost is safe
See, this sounds like koolaid poisoning just because why should a card game, something of fundamentally extremely minimal value (Ink and cardboard game pieces) have a "buy-in" cost? Like you wouldn't say that about any other board game. Imagine if, say, Team Fortress 2 had an upfront cost of $700 just because you could theoretically sell it to some other shmuck later down the line. Yeah in theory you have to have a PC or a console and an internet connection to play a video game but those have other utility that justifies their price. I understand that economics means some cards will always be expensive for some period of time barring the most aggressive reprint policy, but if the buy-in cost for a game's pieces exceeds that of a video game, ask yourself why that's necessary. Especially when the maker of the game controls the supply of game pieces and can theoretically lower the price of entry at any time. $50-60 for a deck? Fine, I'm a reasonable guy, that's a reasonable price. (Most) Magic decks are unreasonably priced, and WOTC does this intentionally.
>just because why should a card game, something of fundamentally extremely minimal value (Ink and cardboard game pieces) have a "buy-in" cost?
This stems from the entire business model as a whole. Because a booster box of 24-36 cards will run you 60-100 dollars depending on the game, and you won't have anywhere close to build a real deck with it. So then vendors need to make sure they get their money's worth from cracking a box, or they won't buy product. It's a shitty cycle where the only winning move is to not play, but these games are fun and it's hard to walk away from.
Boxes could cost less but that starts to run into the profit margins of the TCG producers and like hell Konami or Wizards(Hasbro) will let that happen, and smaller games can't afford that because they don't operate on the margins or scale that would enable them to.
I think because of this dynamic digital first card games will be the future of the genre. There's a similar upfront cost but the logistics of deploying digital cards brings the marginal cost close to zero, and you can theoretically undercut competitors. Any game with a crafting system also theoretically puts a hard cap on how valuable certain cards can be. Master Duel for instance charges a certain amount for pulls and while there is a degree of variance involved, any 3 random URs (And each 100 packs yields roughly 2.5 URs) can convert to any other random UR. Master Duel is fairly generous but everything I've seen indicates it's profitable.
Granted Yugioh is an established name but I wanna say a recent TCG was Digital-only first and then made physical cards based on that success. It's a shame but card shops are probably a middleman worth cutting out. While I do enjoy going someplace to hang out with people I know have the same hobby, the system has been technically obsolete ever since the early 2010s.
If only there were TCG boxes like the OCG version of DBPs where you can usually make 1-3 decks from a box for certain sets.
I think that's why Wild Survivors shifted all the Vanquish Souls to UR while letting Nouvelles and Dinos be cheap (doesn't even look like they all run Ground Xeno anymore, which is bizarre but hey a Dino deck costs like 15 bucks now without it, minus factoring in a few optional generics like DUNE's Evolzar whatsitsname).
>Imagine if, say, Team Fortress 2 had an upfront cost of $700 just because you could theoretically sell it to some other shmuck later down the line
literally what people were trying to do with NFTs
There were in fact games that actually had a buy in cost well over $700. For example, Axie Infinity needed you to have a team of 3 creatures. The cheapest one (before NFTs died) was $500, and you needed fricking 3 of them at minimum.
Of course NFTs crashed and burned hard but your hypothetical was reality for a while, and it was uh,
Ugly.
The problem with Magic is that it leans so far into the investorgay side that it prices people out of even fricking Standard, let alone Modern or Legacy (unless you're playing some caveman shit like Charbelcher). Kills a lot of would-be new players.
YGO is only experiencing something similar because they've pushed out a SHITLOAD of product this year, and most of it is garbage filler.
If they had consolidated their product releases instead of releasing literal nothing sets like soulburning volcano, they could have kept LGSes happier and prices up.
The biggest problem is that we're hitting the knock-on effect of post-POTE, where the powercreep has halted and even reversed course, and people just aren't feeling it.
free him right now!!! no reason to be at 1
are you ready for the imminent cloudian support in a few days?
>spoiler
Keep talking, you have my interest
Implying it won't be Vampire support
>cloudian
but what if out of nowhere dark scorpion support?
So will those asian english ocg cards still only be legal in ocg once they've been printed in tcg as well? I don't want to spend $60 on magicians souls especially since illusion is actually affordable now
Yes
Psy-frame support?
My Floowandereeze is ready to btfo the Ariseheart meta.
Birdbros lets go!
John Konami do you hear me? Yeah, nerf this fricker AGAIN!
I cannot wait to see riseheart removes my one (1) empen from play.
You're lying the maintenance is not over yet
It may be time to pick up my birb deck again
Ariseheart pass kills Floo.
>floo without BoM
>*book of moon you*
now what, fugboi?
Sure, if you just open the out than any deck can beat Kashtira.
not to mention the average floo moron doesn't even run 3 books
they have the out most of the time because triple thrust tactics+pots will get you places
floo has space for thrust + talents + pots?
yes? they only need 1 copy of evenly/drnm now
what are they going to search with thrust?
talent is a better choice
the sky is the limit
More like brick of moon exclusively for Floo LMAO
Yeah. Forbidden lance?
>me drew 2 books
Ok well I drew two lances.
>Normal summon Robina, search Eglen, normal summon Eglen, search Empen, normal summon Empen :^)
>Empen CL1, Robina CL2, Eglen CL3 :^)
>Wait, what do you mean Ariseheart effect attach Robina
>What do you mean Ariseheart effect banish Empen
>What do you mean Ariseheart attach Empen
Bird status: POO'd
how exactly is riseheart gonna pick the opponent's face-down cards to attach? is it just gonna be random?
the controller of ariseheart chooses
You're forced to keep them in the same order, right? So it'll either show from top to bottom or bottom to top.
HE
>gate guardian ft. dogmatika (nadir engine)
kino in the making and is not even out yet!
>The reprint system signals that it's OK to spend a lot of money in this game, because your buy-in cost is safe.
aka how to ensure new players never play your game
i fricking hate you bird b***hes
FLEW UNDER RITZ NUTS
>all this R-Ace hate
Good to know this general is filled with poo in the loo TCGcucks. Probably malding they spent all their shit on a needlessly expensive Numeron deck just because waifus.
acknowledging the deck is going to be bad until konami decides to release the cards that make it good is not hate.
it's nothing personal moron. if it's not a waifu deck, I don't give a shit about it. simple
>implying people are mad about getting full purrely from buying mikanko
you're the one who's mad here bud
based
troon
>NOOOOO not the heckin set 4 backrow from directly from deck dodge roach deck!
>You're supposed to celebrate bad decks like R Ace and Boarder stun being more viable because of roach!
of course the anti-roach troony is seething that a control deck gets to be decent LMAO
Cool decks like Unchained die so shit monkeflip decks like R Ace can prosper. Roach worship is a mental illness.
i'll just post this here to laugh at the unplayers in this thread
replace the barrier statue and empen with triple tactic talent and you are good to go
JAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADGE HE'S RUNNING TOO MANY POT CARDS
floo players on the ladder aren't YCS champions
why wouldn't he run 1 apex avian?
he want to keep bouncing em cards with 2 monarch loop
deck too tight i guessss?
I mean he could drop 1 statue or 1 pot
Dude, floodgate is cancer and you floodgate you win in yugioh.
floodgate is fair coooooombo Black folk fricking need to kill themselves
JUDGE, MY OPPONENT IS PLAYING WITH BANNED CARDS
>3 pots each
>Terraforming
>2 empen
>Barrier statue
It hurts.
I think Labrynth will be a very OP deck now (after the new pack release) since they are going to get 3 thrust in their deck.
Dbarrier and virus shenanigans spamming non-stop lmao
lab can already search traps you DUMB FRICK
yea and they can now search more TRAPS ME GUSTA DUMB FRICK you negate their search? they search again lmaoaaaaaa
maintenance finished?
2 HOURS TO GO GUYS
ARE YOU HYPED?
i am not
You know, I'm at close to 10k gems, I'm mostly waiting for other decks to get added, I've built most pet decks I want to build, I think I might take some time off this game.
>I think I might take some time off this game.
I only play casual MD with my irl friend.
My friend stopped playing last month so I am just login in to get gems. I stopped playing ranked for 3 months, and I feel good.
just do what I do 1 duel a day for missions thats it then just play events casually
Damn, that's crazy. Normal summon tracer link into striker dragon :/
??? did you reply to the wrong post or something?
why is everyone acting like thrust is a godsend? it's a brick going first and relies on your opponent activating a effect going second
Because handtraps. I think it's strong but not as strong as people want it to be.
>opponent activates maxx c
>it resolves
>look at thrust in hand with nothing to stop maxx c
oh boy how strong
You could theoretically use Thrust to grab something like Dimensional Barrier but I'm not convinced Thrust is a 3-of auto-include. It's real utility in the physical TCG is that, in a best of 3 you have a way better chance of finding cards that you've sided in. So something like a DRNM or Lightning Storm going second, or an Appointer or Dim Barrier going first (If you get hand trapped). Plus, in Master Duel a lot of decks are already using most of their non-engine flex slots on the mandatory Maxx C package. So a lot of decks just don't have the room. I think it'll be kinda busted in Labrynth though. They ash Arianna or any turn 1 Welcome plays and you just set another one. Then going second you can grab a board breaker. And Labrynth has some trouble going second.
You can play one ofs of all those cards and three thrust so you can choose what you want
so then what happens when your opponent does not activate a monster effect and thrust is a brick?
you send them to grave for your purrely's cost
purrely discards aren't costs
ok so i discard them
You going first and don't get interrupted, what else do you want?
In Labrynth you'd pitch them for Furniture cost. It's not perfect I admit but statistically 50% of your games will be played going second and Labrynth has a hard time playing into established boards. Hypothetically getting to pick an appropriate board breaker AND getting to set any one of the dozen normal traps you're playing if you get interrupted turn 1 is a godsend.
I have been getting handtrapped out the fricking ass this season. Regular Talents is live most of the time right now, Thrust is gonna punish a lot of people for shotgunning Maxx C unless they knock that shit off.
It's the latest gimmick that the TCGtroons that this thread worships have latched onto
>get maxx c'd
>set dbarrier
your turn
>I'm playing codetalkers
>normal summon robina
>harpies feather duster/lightning storm
lel
Still OTK you anyway with main deck Kash
oh no, however will I get my opponent to activate an effect when 95% of the playerbase is gonna be slurping ariseheart's wiener for the next 6 to 9 months?
It's like Crossout. If it's a brick going first then I probably will win anyway. If it's not then I'm glad to have it.
why is this troll replying nonsense to every post?
oh right
i forgot
purrely with thrust is a pain in the ass
they can just search their out and otk with their big slappa
BAN PRESSURED PLANET WRAITSOTH
NOW
A purrBlack person just ripped my Kaiju out with appointer of the red lotus…
get thrustin'
..... anon the server is down......
When does maint end?
1 hour