>all those new players who tried our game and all agreed on the same reasons on why it's bad? >yeah they're all wrong and don't know what new players' experience is actually like
Why do modern players cope like this?
I LOVE ASH BLOSSOM
I LOVE MAXX C
I LOVE CALLED BY THE GRAVE
I LOVE CROSSOUT
I LOVE UNBREAKABLE BOARDS
I LOVE RHONG
I LOVE GENERIC EXTRA DECK MONSTERS
I LOVE THE GRAVEYARD BEING A SECOND HAND
I LOVE BANISHED CARDS BEING A THIRD HAND
I LOVE THE DECK BEING A FOURTH HAND
>tfw you will never hack konami servers >tfw you will never see the cards they have allready prepared for the next 3+ years >tfw you will get heartbroken because they did not even bother making anything for your favourite archetypes
end me
How do I summon Rindbrumm using his graveyard effect? When I activate his effect to summon him game forces me to target albaz and to special summon him. Am I doing something wrong?
Extra Deck monsters can only be summoned from GY or banished if you properly summoned them first. I'm guessing you milled Rindbrumm with Mirrorjade so it doesn't count.
adding to what the other anon said there's a special icon in the card descriptor that appears on the left (when you hover over it) indicating if the monster was properly summoned first before being in graveyard or banished
How do I summon Rindbrumm using his graveyard effect? When I activate his effect to summon him game forces me to target albaz and to special summon him. Am I doing something wrong?
forgot to post this as well
https://gameplay.tips/guides/yu-gi-oh-master-duel-duel-screen-info-guide-duel-field-menu-and-icons.html
the game never explains what these icons mean, they are kinda self explanatory but a reference tab would be nice regardless
>I swear every event is worse than the last
I started April, ever event has been an excuse to showcase the new pack. Attribute 4 showcased Vernusylph, WCQ showcased Spright/Tears (kek), Synchro event showcase Goatse, Fiend/Fairy showcased Labrynth.
by this pattern we can probably expect some beastiality event for Purrely and a psychic event for Kashtira, paybe past/future with dinos and psychics
>paybe past/future with dinos and psychics
Man, it really feels like we don't have a lot of rival types
Like we have Warriors vs Spellcasters, Aqua vs Pyro (at least conceptually), Fairy vs Fiend and then everything else is kinda just weird stretches
I am worried about some of the dark decks like Lab, Danger Tear, Danger Darkworld and Dinomorphia, Dragon link and Warrior goodstuff. Those are probably going to be the best decks.
How can the state of a game be so incredibly miserable that even WITH coaching, new players come out of it with NOTHING?
People kept telling Rarran to get someone to coach him for yugioh, but here's Team APS coaching Tolarian (a known MTG player), and he learns literally nothing:
>31:04 "I'm not following any of what-... I just get that he's winning" >Paul himself getting bored of this at 7:21
30 minutes of teaching for a 4-turn game where the new player learned NOTHING.
Because seasoned players keep recommending the wrong decks to newcomers. All you have to do is give them a control deck that doesn't use the extra deck much or at all. I played traptrix and Guru when MD first came out and only moved on to more complicated decks after getting comfortable with the games rules.
>seasoned players keep recommending the wrong decks to newcomers
Oh wow finally reasonable player I bet the rest of his post is also- >All you have to do is give them a control deck that
Dropped
THIS pic right here is where you start with yugioh.
THIS is what yugioh is supposed to be.
NONE of that modern impenetrable and incomprehensible slop.
I feel like control decks rely too much on knowing your opponents deck and the optimal time to interrupt them
I'd say a good beginner deck would be anything that just involves turboing out some win-con/boss monster without massive complicated combos. That way you can just learn your own lines, focus on your own play instead of worrying about what the opponent is doing, and you'll learn about the common types of interruption the enemy is playing through trial and error.
I complained about how hard yugioh is to learn as a newbie too. Then I realized the game is actually incredibly simple and was approaching the game with the wrong mindset. It's not like any other card game on the market and if you try learning it with that mentality then you will struggle. I haven't been playing THAT long (less than a month) and I'm already using fun meme strategies like
>dead hours
Anyway Ben Kei OTK is fun. I was able to pull it off multiple times last night. I may use it to meme on light gays during the event
and I have been experimenting with my own deck ideas too. It's not that hard and if Brian really wanted to learn then he could no problem. He seems like a smart guy
because only turbo autists play this game. you think normies bothered to memorizes 40 words text in a single card? a single spell have 4 different types. yugioh is so convoluted that you have to play the deck itself in order to know how to counter it. there is no way a person could master this game.in a single month, let alone a few hours
Because seasoned players keep recommending the wrong decks to newcomers. All you have to do is give them a control deck that doesn't use the extra deck much or at all. I played traptrix and Guru when MD first came out and only moved on to more complicated decks after getting comfortable with the games rules.
You're overthinking it. Master Duel is ironically the best way to teach a newcomer. Have them play through the first tutorials then let them play with the starter deck against CPUs since that teaches ED summoning. Learning on paper is horrible since you need to know all the rules and steps, that's all automated in MD.
I'm a newcomer having completed all of the tutorials and I still don't think I completely understand all of the mechanics. Some of the tutorials are way too handholdy where as others like the link summon ones just drop you with a random deck and expect you to figure it out while the CPU summons monsters that rock your shit unless you do something incredibly specific to stop them. Where do I go from here btw? I started playing the solo monarch battles but I don't feel like I'm learning much of anything from them.
The archetype battles after the tutorial only really teach you how to play those specific decks. The purpose of all those duels is so you find an archetype you really click with. Keep playing until you find something you want to play for real and then take it to ranked. You'll get rocked regardless of how good it is because there's smurfs all the way down to rookie, but just keep at it. If you're really having trouble type the archetype into youtube and find a better player who runs it and they might teach you how to play it better or what cards to put in your deck to make it better.
I feel like control decks rely too much on knowing your opponents deck and the optimal time to interrupt them
I'd say a good beginner deck would be anything that just involves turboing out some win-con/boss monster without massive complicated combos. That way you can just learn your own lines, focus on your own play instead of worrying about what the opponent is doing, and you'll learn about the common types of interruption the enemy is playing through trial and error.
Because seasoned players keep recommending the wrong decks to newcomers. All you have to do is give them a control deck that doesn't use the extra deck much or at all. I played traptrix and Guru when MD first came out and only moved on to more complicated decks after getting comfortable with the games rules.
being a good player doesn't mean you're good at teaching
also paper is completely incomprehensible, just play Master Duel if you're new
Just give new players birds floo. Very simple and braindead to play and very powerful. No extradeck frickery required.
What's so hard to learn? I started Master Duel when the last time I played was before Synchro and I did it very casually, and it was very easy to get into. Just don't be a moron and don't recommend stuff like Tearlaments or Dragon Link to someone who first needs to get used to the game's mechanics.
How are you morons not getting it? How are you this autistically daft?
It's not paper vs digital.
It's not the lack of tutorials.
It's not using the wrong meta deck.
It's not the lack of a coach.
The game is a fricking complicated mess that does not encourage learning. That's literally it. Nothing outside of that. Nothing more nor less.
You're like those moronic boomers trying to understand why kids shoot up schools, and trying to blame phones and video games instead of their own shitty parenting.
Drop a kid into Rocket League and give them a controller and they get it in 5 minutes.
Drop a kid into 1991 in front of an SF2 arcade machine with a handful of quarters and they get it in 1 minute.
Drop a kid into Yu-Gi-Oh! Power of Chaos in 2003 and they get yugioh in 10 minutes.
Drop a kid into 1993 in front of a mouse and keyboard with Doom and they get it in 2 minutes.
Drop an ADULT into MODERN yugioh and they come out with NOTHING in 30 minutes.
Why does someone need to read books worth of card texts just to follow what happened in a card game meant for kids?
You are fricking delusional, and your refusal to listen to what new players have said time and time again is a fricking cope.
Go give them rush duel like Konami intended then. I don't know why these videos don't just give these magic tards Runick since I'm sure its a deck they could understand.
I don't care if new players are borderline illiterate to not understand what a card does after reading it once. You're the same kind of moron who does those YGO comics about how every single card is a wall of text because they're too monkeybrained to realize that most cards will only have 1-2 easy to understand effects, yet they're scared shitless because of their inability to read.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>please memorize 12000 cards by reading them once or you're illiterate
9 months ago
Anonymous
That's like saying you need to memorize 200 pages of frame data before playing a fighting game. You just need to know what's happening at the current moment. Master Duel even highlights the part of the text that's happening in any given interaction. If you STILL don't want to read then honestly maybe card games aren't for you.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>That's like saying you need to memorize 200 pages of frame data before playing a fighting game
What a moronic point.
There's no need to even know that frame data exists to start having fun in a fighting game.
With modern yugioh, YOU NEED TO NEED TO KNOW WHAT EVERY CARD DOES AT EVERY MOMENT AND WHAT EVERY POTENTIAL CARD EVERY DECK COULD POSSIBLY RUN.
Go and find out how many cards that is.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>With modern yugioh, YOU NEED TO NEED TO KNOW WHAT EVERY CARD DOES AT EVERY MOMENT AND WHAT EVERY POTENTIAL CARD EVERY DECK COULD POSSIBLY RUN.
Black person one of the world champions just played in his own fricking imperm column
You don't need to know much to make it in this game
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Black person one of the world champions just played in his own fricking imperm column
Only serves to prove my point of how complicated this game is.
You think if there weren't so many things happening in one turn and keep track of that he'd make that mistake?
9 months ago
Anonymous
>You think if there weren't so many things happening in one turn and keep track of that he'd make that mistake?
Not him, but absolutely. People make mistakes under pressure all the time.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>You don't need to know frame data in fighting games just have fun! >Oh he did a move that is plus and you didn't know so you lost because of it? That's just part of the fun of fighting games!
>You NEED to know every card in the game! >See, he played a card you don't know about (and you didn't read it because of reasons) so you lost, that's why yugioh is bad!
What are you even trying to do here
9 months ago
Anonymous
>With modern yugioh, YOU NEED TO NEED TO KNOW WHAT EVERY CARD DOES AT EVERY MOMENT AND WHAT EVERY POTENTIAL CARD EVERY DECK COULD POSSIBLY RUN
Gee you're right I should go and read Silver Wolf's flavor text right now, no wonder I haven't been able to beat Tearlaments.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>You don't need to know frame data in fighting games just have fun! >Oh he did a move that is plus and you didn't know so you lost because of it? That's just part of the fun of fighting games!
>You NEED to know every card in the game! >See, he played a card you don't know about (and you didn't read it because of reasons) so you lost, that's why yugioh is bad!
What are you even trying to do here
See? Dishonest.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Ironic
9 months ago
Anonymous
I'm just going to reply one more time because you're either baiting or incredibly stupid. Do you really think all of us here had to go and read every single card that has ever been printed before we could start playing? We all learn as we go, we read the deck we build, then we read our opponents' cards and game knowledge starts building up. You learn what the most commonly used cards do and you learn to identify keywords such as (Quick Effect) or "target" to play around them, and this comes from someone who hadn't played in almost 20 years.
>My Ash got negated because Called by the Grave negates for two whole turns? Well, have to keep that in mind now >If I destroy Evenly Matched before it resolves I'll have to banish all my cards? Good to know now >If I destroy a continuous or field card the effect won't resolve? That's good knowledge
Read and learn, is that too much to ask? Considering your posts, it appears to be.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>My Ash got negated because Called by the Grave negates for two whole turns? Well, have to keep that in mind now
To be fair, even good players forget that it lasts two turns. It's a poorly designed card.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>My Ash got negated because Called by the Grave negates for two whole turns? Well, have to keep that in mind now
To be fair, even good players forget that it lasts two turns. It's a poorly designed card.
reminder
9 months ago
Anonymous
>I'll pretend that yugioh is only staple cards and nothing else >nope, there aren't hundreds of archetypes and thousands of cards >it's only Ash and Called By >just these handful of cards
>Do you really think all of us here had to go and read every single card that has ever been printed before we could start playing >we read the deck we build
How do you even get to the point where you know which deck to build? That process doesn't involve reading hundreds of cards to determine which deck you're gonna play? And then reading a hundred more to see which best fit into the deck?
You're unfathomably dishonest.
Not only that, but you all keep avoiding the actual main criticism, but the fact that the game is COMPLICATED, NOT reading, which is what (You) keep pretending is the issue.
None of you are addressing this.
None of you are talking about how there are countless ways to combo and summon 20 monsters a turn and omni-negate and make unbreakable boards and countless ways to summon generic monsters and countless handtraps you have to play around, and then ALSO for your opponent to do that.
Why do you never address this?
9 months ago
Anonymous
why do you keep insisting that a newbie will end up facing those "thousands of cards" when starting out? He will probably face at most 100 in their first 20 matches, depending on how centralized the meta is. Why do I need to learn what Abyss Actor Super Producer does when I won't be facing Abyss Actors at fricking all and instead will probably face off against Tears? Why do I need to learn how the effect of Gameciel works when 99% of the time it's used just to out boss monsters? You're a disingenuous butthole
9 months ago
Anonymous
>How do you even get to the point where you know which deck to build?
Like this: >Hey guys, can you recommend me a good deck for a beginner? >Hey guys, I like this archetype's art, is the deck good? >I like this style of gameplay, what decks can you recommend me? >I'm looking for a stronger deck, what can you recommend?
Even if you're completely socially inept, you should still have the brain capacity to open Google and search "ygo deck for beginners/meta/control/whatever".
9 months ago
Anonymous
why do you keep insisting that a newbie will end up facing those "thousands of cards" when starting out? He will probably face at most 100 in their first 20 matches, depending on how centralized the meta is. Why do I need to learn what Abyss Actor Super Producer does when I won't be facing Abyss Actors at fricking all and instead will probably face off against Tears? Why do I need to learn how the effect of Gameciel works when 99% of the time it's used just to out boss monsters? You're a disingenuous butthole
I have a problem with reading pointless whining, yeah
Yugioh cards actually say things of substance and value, and there's a tangible benefit to me reading them unlike your posts
In this thread alone, there were 10 different morons recommending 15 different starter decks.
You idiots have no consensus because you're out of touch.
Thousands of people keep yelling at you the same singular problem of complexity and you still don't get it and blame the proverbial "phones" instead.
And you have come up with exactly 0 responses to this point. In no reply here have you ever addressed WHY people keep saying bringing up this same issue, nor why they keep getting reeled in with Yugi/Kaiba sets.
What you DO prefer doing is coping like this
>page 8
Bro don't you even THINK about touching ranked until you know what Lyrilusc - Promenade Thrush does!
>there were 10 different morons recommending 15 different starter decks.
God forbid there's a variety of decks that a new player could try. Why don't they just mandate Summoned Skull beatdown like the good old days?
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Why don't they just mandate Summoned Skull beatdown like the good old days?
That's the way it SHOULD be.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>And you have come up with exactly 0 responses to this point.
We all have but you're like a child covering his ears yelling "LALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU" because our replies don't fit your narrative about how YGO is unlearnable, unplayable and 100% unfriendly to new players. You're upset because we didn't agree to some idiotic youtuber's video about how hard it is to get into the game and I bet you're not even a regular here and just came to complain about a game you might not even play, making your arguments completely worthless. People here are more than happy to point new players into the right direction, we even have an updated guide so they can get on track, but no, the game is trash and unplayable because your favorite e-celeb said so.
Stop wasting our time.
9 months ago
Anonymous
How about (You) stop wasting MY time and actually respond to the point, moron?
I talk about complexity and you morons go "you mean reading?" like that's the same frickin thing.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>everyone agree about the problem but have their own takes
There is nothing wrong about that. No one claim (or understand) that this would singlehandlingly solve the problem.
>paybe past/future with dinos and psychics
Man, it really feels like we don't have a lot of rival types
Like we have Warriors vs Spellcasters, Aqua vs Pyro (at least conceptually), Fairy vs Fiend and then everything else is kinda just weird stretches
I only want a pure type festival. I imagin that this would settle all debates all at once >very few handtrap (maxx c is insect) >no generics ( apol/fairy, ip/cyberse, unicorn/fiend) >no piles
Sounds like all shit from Ganker, "how we fixed yugioh".
9 months ago
Anonymous
>maxx c is insect
It's really cool how a Type is gimped forever because of this Black personaids card, and somehow while in the process of making engines and decks to play around this fricking pozzedslop card it never occurred to the OCG that maybe shit like Rhongo can die so they can finally ban Maxx "C"
9 months ago
Anonymous
moron
insect is not gimped because of maxx c, insect is gimped because Konami doesn't think insects are cool or noteworthy. Pay attention to how many dragons, mechas and warrior archetypes there are when compared to insects.
>inb4 "but muh can no print generic searcher for maxx c because hurrrr"
Type ROTAS are a fricking mistake. Ideally most of them would be restricted to type and attribute combinations instead of every fricking dinosaur having to play oviraptor because literally anything else is worse.
9 months ago
Anonymous
2 Insects equal Maxx "C" access, which is probably why the strongest Insect boss is Sting the fricking Poison moron
9 months ago
Anonymous
Union Carrier was always able to access maxx c through Sangan moron, and I can't see you claiming that's such a game-breaking combo when there's far better things to do with Union Carrier than getting a handtrap in hand. It's exactly the same for insects, searching Maxx C is a garbage, overhyped combo because searching for the bug accomplishes frick all when the foundation behind accomplishes a monster negate at best.
Goddamn how much I fricking hate people like you, fricking have a nice day. Exodia exists, yet we keep getting spellcasters archetypes all the fricking time.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>the generic spellcaster searcher
Also, I know you're moronic but Insects only have 2 real targets for Picofalena. >abloobloo its because konami thinks insects are heckin lame
Yeah bro the Japanese thinks insects are lame, that's why the game franchise based off some kids's insect fights died off and absolutely loathe that tokusatsu show about men in insect costumes
9 months ago
Anonymous
It might sound funny but I think Konami is way too dumb or just don't care. You can look at every POTE. Spright abused union + toad right out of the gate. They learnt nothing from that and went on with Kash when Diablosis was legal.
9 months ago
Anonymous
The Academy Event was the lowest power actual event we've had in the past 6 months
After that would be the Dice Roll Tryout duel, which was actually fun for what it was.
9 months ago
Anonymous
My first deck was Myutants and it was awesome. I think it was a good choice to help me learn the game
There isn't one correct answer for a starter deck, just a few general things you want to keep in mind
My only advice for picking your first deck would be >play solo modes and look at the structure decks to see if anything catches your eye >otherwise MDM's top decks list or just scroll through the list of secret packs and look into anything that looks cool >do a little research just to make sure it's actually a playable deck (doesn't need to be tier 1, but you don't want one of the absolute bottom of the barrel archetypes or something seriously outdated that can't function in todays game) >and for the love of God avoid youtube at all costs when looking for decklists or advice
9 months ago
Anonymous
At the risk of sounding moronic, what's wrong with youtube?
9 months ago
Anonymous
Not him but YT likes to shill decks as good by cherrypicking replays and posting games against people either misplaying with meta or playing bad decks.
Even Ganker typically doesn't do that. If a deck's shit, Ganker will tell you it's shit.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah Cali is a big example of this, he called Thunder Dragons meta while showcasing replays of tier 3 decks misplaying
9 months ago
Anonymous
A ton of "UNDERRATED DECK IS THE NEW STRONGEST META!?" clickbait to trick you into building trash or gimmicky decks.
9 months ago
Anonymous
You have to look at that ugly SamuraiX1 guy constantly
9 months ago
Anonymous
They are tons of investorgays shilling whatever new shit they can so they can artificially inflate the price of a rare card and make lots of money off it. The most egregious example was Crossout. That card costed over a 100 dollars at the peak of its hype and has since seen zero play in the TCG.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>tons of investorgays shilling whatever new shit they can so they can artificially inflate the price of a rare card and make lots of money off it
I hate that shit. I'm stuck waiting for this fricking thing to not be $35 a copy.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Shit like this
Very easy for new players to be caught out before they know good decks from bad
9 months ago
Anonymous
Tear 0 who?
9 months ago
Anonymous
Ghost Rick
9 months ago
Anonymous
Ghost Trick best deck lets go
9 months ago
Anonymous
Man I fricking wish Ghostrick wasn't total fricking ass to play. I love the art
9 months ago
Anonymous
It’s just that, that deck has one of the greatest sins for this game, bad win con. Ghost Trick main wincon literally is to annoy the opponent until he takes the L and leaves the table.
9 months ago
Anonymous
shit taste, they are dishonorable archetype to every zombiechad
9 months ago
Anonymous
If you unironically think ghostrick is tier zero you deserve to lose your gems.
9 months ago
Anonymous
we're talking about people's FIRST deck anon
it's even one of the things featured in the solo modes
Man I fricking wish Ghostrick wasn't total fricking ass to play. I love the art
same
Links should get destroyed if something tries to force them face-down, hire me toonami
9 months ago
Anonymous
That shit is not even the best way to play Ghosttrick on MD
9 months ago
Anonymous
Man you're a bigger homosexual than OP ever could be.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah god forbid a new player doesn't learn what Ghostrick Scare does before they hop into ranked. Literally unplayable!
9 months ago
Anonymous
Oh, it's just this ONE card? Just this ONE singular card that a player has to read to learn all of yuigoh and start doing well? Just this ONE singular specific card and no others? Just this one singular specific card and not the thousand others that get typically used in meta?
9 months ago
Anonymous
what "thousands"? Current meta uses at best 150 cards out of the entire pool. Just learn those and you will be peachy.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Current meta uses at best 150 cards out of the entire pool
Instead of pulling numbers out of your ass, here's some actual data: https://www.masterduelmeta.com/top-cards
63 cards per page.
By page 8 you're still seeing cards that are typically used.
That's over 500 cards alone.
By page 21 you're still seeing limited (i.e. viable) cards, which is over 1300 cards.
yeah dude I definitely have to learn what fricking Gigantes does before jumping into ranked. You're a fricking disingenuous butthole and I won't stop repeating it. Why do you keep insisting that new players have to learn thousands upon thousands of worthless card effects just to jump into ranked? I'm a meta player and I couldn't tell you what most cards do exactly in every single deck outside of their most relevant effect
That's fricking it. You keep acting like you have to know the in-and-out of every fricking card in the meta when reading what the card does in front of you functionally achieves the same effect at the end of the day.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>page 8
Bro don't you even THINK about touching ranked until you know what Lyrilusc - Promenade Thrush does!
9 months ago
Anonymous
AAAAAAAAAAAA IS THAT MONSTER REBORN?
I HAVE LITERALLY NO IDEA WHAT THIS CARD COULD DO I'M GOING INSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANE
>page 8
Bro don't you even THINK about touching ranked until you know what Lyrilusc - Promenade Thrush does!
Droll & Lock Bird appears in page 10, 630 cards in
Far cry from 150
9 months ago
Anonymous
oh yeah that card nobody plays
9 months ago
Anonymous
see WCS and count if it is more than 150 cards
yeah dude I definitely have to learn what fricking Gigantes does before jumping into ranked. You're a fricking disingenuous butthole and I won't stop repeating it. Why do you keep insisting that new players have to learn thousands upon thousands of worthless card effects just to jump into ranked? I'm a meta player and I couldn't tell you what most cards do exactly in every single deck outside of their most relevant effect
That's fricking it. You keep acting like you have to know the in-and-out of every fricking card in the meta when reading what the card does in front of you functionally achieves the same effect at the end of the day.
Just to prove my point: I went to https://ygoprodeck.com/tournament/yu-gi-oh-world-championship-2023-587 to look at which archetypes the pros were using.
There were only 12 players whose decks were available, which includes 8 entirely distinct decks (using different archetypes).
I wrote a script to count how many different cards there are, and just among those 8, there were 271 different cards (Main, Extra, Side).
So we're already at nearly twice as much cards
That's around 33 distinct cards per archetype.
There were 5 more archetypes listed that had no deck lists.
Multiplying 271 by (8+5)/8 gives a rough estimate of 440 cards among those archetypes listed.
And there are still 6 players who have no archetypes listed.
So you're looking at anywhere from 440 to 644 DISTINCT CARDS THAT ARE META.
There is no way in hell could anyone reasonably expect new players to know 400-600 cards by heart to navigate this complicated game and derive any fun from it.
That's just fricking moronic.
homie I AM a new player
I jumped into Master Duel after not playing since DM/early GX days (and that was playground meta, I didn't actually know how to play)
I also started on the exact same day Tearlaments released lmao
I don't get what you think is so complicated
9 months ago
Anonymous
Go give them rush duel like Konami intended then. I don't know why these videos don't just give these magic tards Runick since I'm sure its a deck they could understand.
[...]
I don't care if new players are borderline illiterate to not understand what a card does after reading it once. You're the same kind of moron who does those YGO comics about how every single card is a wall of text because they're too monkeybrained to realize that most cards will only have 1-2 easy to understand effects, yet they're scared shitless because of their inability to read.
>all these new players pointing to the same issue and all these other yugioh players agreeing with them must all be wrong
9 months ago
Anonymous
what issue? the fact that they have to read?
go play literally any other game, jesus fricking christ stop whining
9 months ago
Anonymous
50% of Americans are functionally illiterate, its about time Yugioh became more accessible
9 months ago
Anonymous
[...]
[...] >all these new players pointing to the same issue and all these other yugioh players agreeing with them must all be wrong
I have the perfect card game for you bros
9 months ago
Anonymous
Reading is so easy for you that you couldn't read this
>please memorize 12000 cards by reading them once or you're illiterate
>The game is a fricking complicated mess that does not encourage learning
Skill issue, I started the game on second month of release with Dragonmaids and had no problems understanding what each phase does or how to summon the different kinds of ED monsters. You just have to fricking read, that's it, the rest gets easier as you identify keywords and commonly used cards.
>Drop a kid into 1991 in front of an SF2 arcade machine with a handful of quarters and they get it in 1 minute
He sure will get how to buttonmash until he does a Hadoken by pure luck.
>Why does someone need to read books worth of card texts just to follow what happened in a card game meant for kids?
OH LAWDY READING THE TEXT OF EVERY CAWD IS JUST TOO HAWDDDDD
I literally told IT ISN'T ABOUT THE WRONG DECK AND YOU STILL SAY IT LIKE A moron.
THE WHOLE FRICKING GAME IS WRONG YOU moron.
Nobody wants to play your modern schizo fest; that's why Konami keeps releasing sets of old characters and cards again and again.
>And he would get bodied so hard because an arcade is full of people that have been playing since the beginning.
All you morons b***hing about "not reading", yet you yourselves can't read.
No shit a player with a higher level can beat a beginner. When did I say otherwise, you moron?
My point was about how someone could literally go into a game of MODERN yugioh and come out with literally nothing.
Again and again and again and again. Every big name YouTuber in card games comes to the same conclusion, and you morons are like "hmmm it must be because you played sprighterinos instead of dragondookies".
>Every big name YouTuber
Why didn't you open with this so I knew to disregard everything you say from the start?
Imagine going to fricking youtubers for your opinions
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Why didn't you open with this so I knew to disregard everything you say from the start?
What, you have a problem with reading or something?
9 months ago
Anonymous
I have a problem with reading pointless whining, yeah
Yugioh cards actually say things of substance and value, and there's a tangible benefit to me reading them unlike your posts
Just because the game is bad doesn't mean that we cannot make a (relatively) good tutorial out of it you fricking tofu. My post is shorter and yet you fail to read it.
For learning the game, I found that Skystriker is actually great. Teaches you a lot about reaource management and what you're actually supposed to hit. Yugioh is a game where you have to build experience and play against decks to actually know what to do against them. To this day, D-Link is probably the most awful fricking deck for me to play against since I still have no idea what to hit.
Against D-Link you want to prioritize Striker Dragon and if they can still extend, negate Romulus, from my experience against them they really want their field spells so they can continue extending.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Romlulus is a bigger choke than Striker now because it's the main way to dump Lubellion
Sprind is the choke in Spright
I have never read a word of the rulebook and learned to play just fine when master duel launched by just trying shit out and sometimes taking 30 seconds to google something. I am not particularly smart. you may be just stupid.
>I am not particularly smart
Maybe that's why you got into it; you liking smashing your head into walls, so you just smashed your head into this game until you got used to it, without any regard if it's even fun or worth it.
Other people care about that stuff though.
could you're just a drooling moron or a midwit with an inflated ego. either way, what you think doesn't matter.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>what you think doesn't matter
There's that cope again.
Hundreds of thousands of players saying "it's too complicated", and then the morons reply with "doesn't matter what you think".
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Hundreds of thousands of players
where? do tell
9 months ago
Anonymous
Point me to those hundreds of thousands of players. Or are you going to quote your "professional TCG player" that couldn't understand the game with coaching again? He's not your friend, stop parroting his worthless opinions like they're yours.
>where?
Here you go.
9 months ago
Anonymous
all me. and I say the game's not complicated enough.
9 months ago
Anonymous
At what point do you admit you're coping?
9 months ago
Anonymous
you shamelessly claimed to speak for 200k+ ppl you know nothing about. what is there for me to do but mock you with an equally shameless claim? your delusions of grandeur are funny if nothing else.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Would've been shorter to type "never", but you like wasting time with words.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>stats on players leaving >stats on text length
>yet I'm the disingenuous one?
According to this pic, yes. >stats on meta card pool size
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Just to prove my point: I went to https://ygoprodeck.com/tournament/yu-gi-oh-world-championship-2023-587 to look at which archetypes the pros were using.
There were only 12 players whose decks were available, which includes 8 entirely distinct decks (using different archetypes).
I wrote a script to count how many different cards there are, and just among those 8, there were 271 different cards (Main, Extra, Side).
So we're already at nearly twice as much cards
That's around 33 distinct cards per archetype.
There were 5 more archetypes listed that had no deck lists.
Multiplying 271 by (8+5)/8 gives a rough estimate of 440 cards among those archetypes listed.
And there are still 6 players who have no archetypes listed.
So you're looking at anywhere from 440 to 644 DISTINCT CARDS THAT ARE META.
There is no way in hell could anyone reasonably expect new players to know 400-600 cards by heart to navigate this complicated game and derive any fun from it.
That's just fricking moronic.
Modern yugioh is shit.
BUT THE GAME'S TOTALLY FINE TRUST ME BRO
DON'T LISTEN TO THE NUMBERS LISTEN TO ME
9 months ago
Anonymous
>BUT THE GAME'S TOTALLY FINE TRUST ME BRO
correct. now buzz off. your moronic wedge issues only work in politics.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>he uses Steam charts as his argument >he doesn't account the people who played and dropped the game in the first month because of the novelty >he thinks he knows what those 200k+ people think about the game
We should call you Psychic End Punisher because you're punishing us with your obvious mindreading powers to no end.
These two cringely-worded posts have got to be by the same moron.
60 words per card time 644 cards gives ~40k words.
Actual book have ~70k words minimum.
Numbers don't care about your headcanon that you use to defend a broken game.
9 months ago
Anonymous
sounds like projection, famalam.
9 months ago
Anonymous
That's even worse. Means you're two stupid people.
9 months ago
Anonymous
by all means keep the damage control posts rolling in.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Funny thing is I'm not even that guy.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Double the morons
9 months ago
Anonymous
>most decks carry 40 main deck cards + 15 extra deck ones >most cards will be 3-of, so the amount of cards you need to learn gets reduced >many cards in the deck are staples 90% will use, it takes just a few duels to catch on what they do >now that you have learned your deck and eased into the game mechanics, you can jump into duels, read your opponent's cards to know what they do and learn as you play >eventually you'll duel against the same decks so you'll already have the knowledge of what they do, if not just a quick glimpse at the text should be enough
You make it sound like rocket science when several people here have already commented on how easy it is to get into the game, pick a deck they found cool and learn as they go. If you and the youtuber you love to wienersuck so much have so much trouble getting into the game, then I'd advise you to go back to school and work on your reading comprehension.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>when several people here have already commented on how easy it is to get into the game
oh wow incredible, 5 anonymous Ganker posters said they somehow managed to learn yugioh (WITH external help) in the MASTER DUEL thread of all places, such a convincing argument
9 months ago
Anonymous
you lost
Kitt won
9 months ago
Anonymous
5 anonymous Ganker posters with little to no experience about modern YGO had less trouble getting into the game than a "professional card game player" while being coached. What does that say about the e-celeb you love to wienersuck so much?
9 months ago
Anonymous
i already refuted this argument, please write something new
9 months ago
Anonymous
>he uses Steam charts as his argument >he doesn't account the people who played and dropped the game in the first month because of the novelty >he thinks he knows what those 200k+ people think about the game
We should call you Psychic End Punisher because you're punishing us with your obvious mindreading powers to no end.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Point me to those hundreds of thousands of players. Or are you going to quote your "professional TCG player" that couldn't understand the game with coaching again? He's not your friend, stop parroting his worthless opinions like they're yours.
If the baboons that don’t get the reason why the men in blue are coming after them for picking up a flat screen without paying can fully understand and even top some Yugioh events, I am sure you can do that too.
yugioh is a complicated mess and has some issues with cards and their meaning
things like targeting and selecting a card being two different things with one being protected and the other not can be rather strange when it seems like the same action
things like that i think need to be cleared up and fundamentally selecting a card and targeting become the same thing
clearing of up confusing things like that will make the game a more straightforward and fun
konami built rules on top of rules that dont necessarily build a good foundation
What's so hard to learn? I started Master Duel when the last time I played was before Synchro and I did it very casually, and it was very easy to get into. Just don't be a moron and don't recommend stuff like Tearlaments or Dragon Link to someone who first needs to get used to the game's mechanics.
skill issue
my friend who had almost 0 ygo experience and 0 card game experience in general reached gold in like two hours with dragonmaids after I guided him a little and he already understands all ED mechanics
he's a moron. his approach to learning the game was moronic. he was unwilling to read his own cards let alone his opponent's cards. he clicked buttons and made plays without flippantly, without understanding what his endgoal was. it's not the correct mindset to have.
That's why classic yugioh (and even up to 5D's) is the only reasonable version of the game.
dumbass Black person. classic yugioh had extensive card text too. only difference now is the breadth of card viability. if you go up against some random petdeck and you don't read their cards you will get your shit pushed in.
>classic yugioh had extensive card text too
What a disingenuous point. >here's 25 cards in the entire card pool that had too much text back then >totally the same as 2500 meta viable cards that all have to much text now, a tenth of which have TWO text boxes
What a moron.
>totally the same as 2500 meta viable cards that all have to much text now
if you omitted hopt text tenyis have less effect text than card trooper had before psct. not every modern meta viable card is fricking nirvana high paladin and the mere insinuation is poisoning the well. yet I'm the disingenuous one? kys.
I wonder if Konami could format cards so HOPT/OPTs are removed from the base, in their own separate section. It's not an issue for us but seeing words melt burger brains
does this even bother to take into account shared text? take bystials for instance. if you omit the hopt and shared summoning mechanic most have their unique text is pretty short aside from baldrake's which has about 3 words. even in the boomer days monsters with longer effect text like glad beasts had lots of shared text.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>aside from baldrake's which has about 3 words
*30 words
9 months ago
Anonymous
>does this even bother to take into account shared text?
Why should it?
Lots of cards with shared text in their archetypes could be splashed into lots of decks.
If a player sees such a card, they're not gonna somehow do less of an effort in trying to understand how it affects the match.
It's crazy to me that in the middle of the Synchro era, the word count was still 20% higher than the beginning, but now it's almost 70% higher than Synchro
9 months ago
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modern word count is inflated by mandatory hopt clauses and pendulumnigs. hopt wasn't standardized in the synchro era.
>Picked up Master Duel at launch >Stupid yugi boomer so I obviously made Blue Eyes deck and ate a bunch of shit and had no clue whats going on >Have friend who actually plays the game but is by no means an expert >He suggests Dragonmaid and gives me the rundown how it works and some basic combos >Start actually winning >Get frustrated whenever some new meta deck would release like Swordsoul but solve that dilemma by just googling what that deck does, their gameplan, and best ways to play against them >Wow I’m actually having fun >Branch out to other decks and simply google and practice with them in ranked to get a feel for them >Been enjoying Master Duel, full clearing every event and reaching Diamond/Master every time since
Like I get the Master Duel tutorials and shit absolutely do not prepare you at all for what the actual game against human opponents is like but it really isnt that hard to get a feel for the game with just a little bit of dueling and choosing a deck with a moderate power level thats easy to jump into like say Dragonmaid or Live Twins that only really has a single combo you do. The extent of my “coaching” was a discord friend dming me “Spheres/Sheou pass” and I managed to figure out the rest via my own research.
Yes there is bullshit in the game that you arent prepared for like when the streamers banishes his own accesscode off its own effect but those are mistakes that everyone should make to learn from.
Very similar experience, I got into the game on February with my last experience with the game being Duel Academy for GBA, I picked Dragonmaids because they looked cute and it eased me into the game very quickly. Even the XYZ event at that moment taught me what XYZ cards were and how to play them and I did it by playing the Galaxy Eyes loaner.
This is pretty much how I started out as well, except I just found out about Live Twins by myself and liked the card art enough to want to build them and just branched out from there.
Its a hard game to get into but its doable if you just sit down and learn it. Hell, thats part of the fun really
I like TCC well enough, but he's kind of a dumbass. There's an old video of him playing a real game of Magic and he literally doesn't know how to play (despite it being his livelihood).
online ccggays can't play real card games. it's an ironclad rule. guy's a hearthstone player. should tell you all you need to know about his supposed intelligence.
The reason why new players have such a hard time getting into yugioh are:
1.Bad Preconceived notions about what yugioh is actually about or what it plays like.(usually done through youtubers, anime and memes)
2. They lack the patience to sit down and learn the game or the deck they're playing and usually if they have a friend teaching them something they usually just tell the newbie "Play X meta deck" basically giving them something way above their paygrade and expecting them to go "yea this all totally make sense now" and I'll admit there's no way to get around this because konami refuse to provide a low power environment like duel links or like ranked like mode where's you're locked with other scrubs with it's own banlist locking cards with more complex effects at lower tiers and as they climb more of the list get freed revealing and suggesting cards to add like hand traps and providing info on them. Like call it duel school or something.
3.They simply don't read and people do not give them context on how yugioh cards work. Like literally nobody ever says that yugioh cards literally just do what they say do and the only thing that can be tricky about them is that real world grammar can lead to interesting things or that decks they'll fight have some kind of theme it's following.
Honestly thought I think yugioh just have the same problem fighting games have where there's no real easy way to get in unless you have the drive to.
>"They lack the patience to sit down and learn the game" >"They simply don't read" >you have to sit down and read for weeks before deciding if you like a game
Do I have to explain to you why this is bad?
what deck can deal with kashtira and lab bullshit well?
kash especially are a joke right now yet they are so oppressive, i'm really getting tired of this shit.
What deck are you playing? Lab will always try to search for cards that will mess your game up, most of the time they will prioritize D. Barrier so it completely depends on what kind of deck you're playing and if you manage to go first and not get handtrapped. Always save your Ash for Welcome/Big Welcome, it's better to let Extravagance or Arianna resolve as long as you don't allow them to bring Lovely or even Cooclock.
If you don't draw Nibiru or other handtraps to easily disrupt their combo, then you beat Kashtira by playing blowout cards: >Lava Golem >Ra Sphere Mode >Kaijus >Swords of Concealing Light >Book of Eclipse
Lava Golem is the closest thing you have two a silver bullet against zone lock turbo. You wipe out either both Designated Shitting Stars or Arise-Heart and a buddy. However, you will eventually lose to Arise-Heart pass when it releases. Ra beats megaboards, but loses to the smaller ones. Kaijus beat Arise-Heart pass or give you limited room to deal with the Designated Shitting Death Stars. The last two need a spell zone to go off, but end the game if they resolve.
The answer to "I'm new. What deck should I play?" will always be Salamangreat. >It's the easiest deck to build. You buy the SD and craft Splash Mage, Splash Mage, Transcode Talker,and Accesscode Talker (only 1 UR) >Your bread 'n butter combo only uses link 1s and 2s >Extenders protect you from losing to poorly used Ash Blossoms and Imperms at low level play >Searchable back row that is easy to use. New and returning players all understand how back row disruption works. You flip the cards to prevent stuff from happening >Easy OTK combo route
In 1 year you will build pure z-arc and you wll >read the pendulum cards >do the pendulum summon >summon beyond the booba >purify zarc rarely >join the egao cult
simple as
I do think the TCG should implement the OCG's numbered effect system to help card clarity, and also so it doesn't have to weirdly space out HOPTs like some fricking spastic
It's funny how other TCGs also require you also read like 3 sentences worth of effects per relevant card yet somehow Yugioh gets the kvetching about OH LAWDY I CAN'T READ
It's not the length. It's the formating. Yu-Gi-Oh has an unbroken wall of text in legalbabble in tiny font, and there's no rhyme or reason to the order of the effects or costs described. Even across the same archetype. Look at Tri-Brigade. 4 of the cards have the exact same line of text, yet for done the effect is toward the start, yet for others, it's at the very end.
You're right about that. If I could make one major sweeping change to the game I'd pay some intern to go through every card and put in some fricking line breaks between effects. There's no reason for MD to follow the same limitations that text boxes on pieces of cardboard have.
>Benkei Bonkei is legal in the event, along with his butt buddy and all their toys
But why? He's been banned in every event and for good reason too since he enables cheesy wins for non players.
I don't think he was baiting, baiters usually switch the goalposts, this guy was legitimately trying to tell us that learning what Interplanetarypurplythorny Dragon does before jumping into ranked is fundamental for the Yu-Gi-Oh experience and that's what turns off new players, instead of, ya know, the fact that combo players can shit out half their deck and their entire extra in turn 1 with them only being able to watch as every action they take is negated.
>nooooo you NEED to understand entire game after you played it for 1 minute
kek
I forget how stupid TCGnigs are. Then again you are kind of morons that need made up internet friends
Learning is fun. Fricking up, losing because you didn't know interactions, playing your card into imperm column etc is all part of the fun of YGO. It is similar to something like Dota 2 in that way. You learn through trial and error, through playing
>b-but my yugituber buddy says you should instantly understand everything instead of discovering things as you play
you have simple TCGs, go play them instead. There is a reason why MD is popular as it is
you NEED to understand entire game after you played it for 1 minute
Nice strawman.
See how dishonest you morons are?
My point was about grasping THE BASICS.
How is it that a professional card game player grasps ZERO basics in a 30-minute play session WITH coaching?
Literally every other game you can grasp the BASICS in 5 minutes.
Why are you talking as if I said "you should grasp the entire depth of the game in 1 minute"?
(And then morons like
>And you have come up with exactly 0 responses to this point.
We all have but you're like a child covering his ears yelling "LALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU" because our replies don't fit your narrative about how YGO is unlearnable, unplayable and 100% unfriendly to new players. You're upset because we didn't agree to some idiotic youtuber's video about how hard it is to get into the game and I bet you're not even a regular here and just came to complain about a game you might not even play, making your arguments completely worthless. People here are more than happy to point new players into the right direction, we even have an updated guide so they can get on track, but no, the game is trash and unplayable because your favorite e-celeb said so.
Stop wasting our time.
come along and say you responded to my points even though you put words I never said into my mouth, because YOU'RE DISHONEST)
>How is it that a professional card game player grasps ZERO basics in a 30-minute play session WITH coaching?
Because he's stupid. I don't know, I'm not watching your pretend friend's video. Why don't you go to his stream and send him a superchat so he pays attention to you?
>nooooo you NEED to understand entire game after you played it for 1 minute
kek
I forget how stupid TCGnigs are. Then again you are kind of morons that need made up internet friends
Learning is fun. Fricking up, losing because you didn't know interactions, playing your card into imperm column etc is all part of the fun of YGO. It is similar to something like Dota 2 in that way. You learn through trial and error, through playing
>b-but my yugituber buddy says you should instantly understand everything instead of discovering things as you play
you have simple TCGs, go play them instead. There is a reason why MD is popular as it is
>"please trust my word, an internet faceless rando, over public people who put their money where their mouth is"
Man I don't get why Yugioh get so much shit for being not friendly for new players, I played only heartstone for many years then I went to Magic Arena and it was SHIT, as a new player you are forced to play mono blue/red for like 3 months before being able to afford a real deck.
I'm reminded of the time someone talked about how shitty Yugioh's twitter reveal stats were in comparison to fricking gacha of all things as opposed to other TCGs which it brutally mogs
MTGO had a standalone client for years, there's no reason for someone who was already playing it to move to steam.
9 months ago
Anonymous
even if you compared its standalone stats combined with the steam userbase MTGA wouldn't have more than the numbers MD does on steam alone.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Prove it.
9 months ago
Anonymous
9 months ago
Anonymous
That's still just steam you nerd.
9 months ago
Anonymous
read the top number moron. that's the number of players in the last hour for the main client. it's about 12k. combined with the steam numbers it totals around 15k in the last hour or so compared to MD's 22k.
9 months ago
Anonymous
you do realize MD drops to like 11k - 15k during our evenings right
9 months ago
Anonymous
so at its lowest MD on steam exclusively would still match MTGA's combined numbers at this moment. a resounding victory.
9 months ago
Anonymous
it sure as hell isn't a massive victory for MD if that's what you're implying
you're out here doing a clearly biased comparison (MD late JP hours vs. MTGA early afternoon on a weekday) and making it out like MD's way ahead
9 months ago
Anonymous
It's 10 am, dude.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Jesus, I didn't realize it was that bad for them. No wonder their freaks are always raiding master duel threads trying to get us to come over there.
9 months ago
Anonymous
it is even more funny when you realize that MD numbers are excluding mobile
that aside I hate yugitubers so fricking much. Their existence enables dumbest fricking morons
9 months ago
Anonymous
>I hate yugitubers so fricking much. Their existence enables dumbest fricking morons
MBT tricked an entire army of MDbabies into believing the Tear mirror was skillful.
9 months ago
Anonymous
one of things i hate about that shit
watching morons bumble their way through Tear combo just to end up on three omni because deck is wholly foolproof is frustrating as it gets
9 months ago
Anonymous
b-but its so INTERACTIVE (for me I mean, I get to play on your turn after all)
9 months ago
Anonymous
Haha bro, just do your thing haha, I've only got 4 negates and 11 interactions total haha, you can play through that, right?
9 months ago
Anonymous
WTF you drew Shifter in your opening hand???? fricking 0 skill floodgates making the game unplayable Konami fricking ban them they're stopping me from playing and ruining the game!
9 months ago
Anonymous
>I hate yugitubers so fricking much. Their existence enables dumbest fricking morons
MBT tricked an entire army of MDbabies into believing the Tear mirror was skillful.
it is even more funny when you realize that MD numbers are excluding mobile
that aside I hate yugitubers so fricking much. Their existence enables dumbest fricking morons
As much as I hate the ~~*rothchild*~~, the tear mirror is incredibly fun. MD never got the paper tear mirror, you don't know what you're talking about
9 months ago
Anonymous
it's to the point where they don't track the progress of concurrent players; only the number of unique players daily/monthly. they'll only ever display concurrent players for the current hour.
9 months ago
Anonymous
This is a prison of Wizard's design. MTGA only includes Standard, Draft, and Pioneer but worse. The most popular format, unfortunately by far, is Commander, with Modern as a runner up.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Can't wait for Blizzard to stick pic related on steam so we can laugh at them too.
9 months ago
Anonymous
this game was a streamer bait from day 1, their only win was the 7 months they were on the spotlight, after the initial fad every fricking one move on because the game's rng cancels out any depth and skill needed to play it
9 months ago
Anonymous
sad that MTG arena is likely still getting more players than the fricking Riot card game.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I like LoR, but the current rotation is ass.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Runeterra is actually kind of fun but I only play the roguelite mode, so it's basically just like another Slay the Spire to me except free. The reward system is just as generous as MD too. I probably have enough meme money to make a couple of ranked decks at this point.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>makes a fighting game >said fighting game releases at the dusk of the FGC, once all gayhtantards have been branded as pedos by the masses >and for once those claims weren’t wrong
Are you ready for Project Take The L?
9 months ago
Anonymous
>magic >more than 50% player retention >master turd >less than 10% player retention
lol
>262k peak >on Steam only >during the first months of the game >meanwhile the game currently has a 57.3 million downloads campaign
Could it be that Steam is no indication whatsoever of the game's current playerbase and the mayority plays on mobile or consoles? Nah, that wouldn't fit your narrative.
Deal or No Deal? >ban Maxx C >make Solemn Judgment a handtrap with a "if you control no cards" clause. >Instead of paying half your life life, you must remove a card in your hand from the game. Not banished face down, removed from play. >Removed from play returns
Speaking about banlists, I wonder what will be hit this time. This is the first time in pretty much a whole year that we haven't gotten a monthly banlist and there's no way that the current state of the game is healthy in any way.
Tears would be balanced if you banned King of the Swamp, Spright Elf
I'm not even joking. I think the deck would fall off hard
the cope build is spamming negates now, which it is consistent at if it hits 1 Ishizu
I wish we could get an official YGO 4 player format, it balanced out meta slop Black folk since either >people will focus on it >it will waste all the negates on the other meta slop Black person >if you are the only one not playing meta you will get ignored and they you will slowly build up
How bad is MTGs F2P system? Unironically meaning to get into the digital version on Steam since I've been playing yugioh for like a decade and I kind of want to see the game that inspired it.
>Hundreds of thousands of players saying "it's too complicated"
where lmao? yugiboomers that haven't played the game for 20 years? did you come here from the actman video?
As a yugiboomer that actually plays, it's not that YGO's issue is overly wordly since it's mostly verbose in telling you when you can activate cards. The real issue is that it's a turn 3 game of just shitting your deck out in one turn.
It's fine if you just want to feel like a cool guy and play some busted shit but it's not very engaging.
>I bet it doesn't even have an anime anymore lmao
They should stop fricking around and just make a new series wirh Yugi and Kaiba. Nobody cares about these new homosexuals. Or just make shows about the actual monsters. Why is there no Dragonmaid slice of life? Why isn't there no anime about the Live Twins and their crazy antics? The cards all have good lore that could be used to make fun shows to promote their game
To be honest I'm surprised Machina Force and Machina Ruin Force weren't fusions.
I'd still like more machine fusion monsters. Be it union or otherwise.
Shueisha was just being silly with Yu-Gi-Oh R >what's that, the effect of Covington is literally called Fusion in the manga? And it literally defuses when Yugi activates a card effect to counter it? >Yup, that should become an effect monster
XYZ Dragon Cannon was made into a fusion monster yet for some reason Machina Force wasn't the same
Truly, we were cucked.
Would be nice to have a Machina boss card that doesn't get blown out of the water in terms of ATK by other cards. I suppose they compensate effects.
Fun fact, most stonkers I’ve meet are refugees from other card games mostly MTG. Normal people mostly play petdecks and only buy or sell when they want to change for another one.
Invest in a full playset of Maxx C while you still can. Konami is much more likely to take the card off the banlist entirely than ban it in the OCG and Master Duel. This has become pretty obvious after Worlds.
Swordsoul is such a homosexual deck I hate it. 1 card combos shouldn't exist like that deck does. At one point I had everything, a negate, an ash, and a quick effect banish, and the fricker was still able to keep going with 1 card in hand.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Was that card Taia? That's pretty much a board wipe and OTK
9 months ago
Anonymous
>topdeck tenki >topdeck raye >topdeck branded fusion >topdeck spright starter >topdeck reino >topdeck emergence
YGO is about one card stuff. nothing you can do about it
9 months ago
Anonymous
1 of these things is not like the other
9 months ago
Anonymous
day 306 of people whining about the chinks' 2 (yes, two) card combos in tear format. next month we'll have people claiming ariseheart is fair and balanced while asking for a mo ye ban.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Ariseheart has more outs than shifter
9 months ago
Anonymous
>b-but tears
9 months ago
Anonymous
Swordsoul is literally not a one card combo deck.
9 months ago
Anonymous
No it’s not it’s a two card combo unless you open with exactly emergence stfu and even then your combo is severely gimped
9 months ago
Anonymous
Mo Ye is not one card combo but any opening hand with Emergence = one card combo
9 months ago
Anonymous
Swordsoul does have one card combo. Emergence by itself and no other engine is Chixiao+Draco Berserker. With other wyrms, it can be a full solitare combo
Imagine the meltdown from TCG trannies if this comes to happen.
This is some weird cope from MDbabbys for some kind of weird revenge fantasy, Maxx C is never coming off in TCG. If by some chance it did, it'd be back on in a single list like what happened when they recently took Snow off. Except the Maxx C backlash would be fricking massive unlike with Snow where everyone thought it was annoying but it wasn't anywhere near the level of Mystic Mine hate at the time.
>Except the Maxx C backlash
TCGcucks are too addicted to the game to quit.
Really says a lot about addiction when even drunk rednecks dumped Bud Light but keks will whale for any meta
Keep thinking that. The only reason I tolerate MD is because it's convenient. I will quit yugioh altogether if Maxx C ruins TCG and a lot of others will as well. Nobody wants this shit card legal.
More than Maxx C being freed in TCG, I'd rather have a master rule change that makes his effect permanent for both players at all times and includes normal summons too, whilst removing hand size limits and deckout as a wincon.
If you're gonna balance the game around Maxx C, then remove the luck element of having to draw the card in the first place.
Borrelend + synchro + I:P Unicorn with Accesscode/Borrelsword OTK potential is pretty good for event standards. Rapid Trigger package is also pretty popular among anons.
>no romulus >no baby chaos dragons >no chaos ruler revive
this is some serious coping. To even get to borrelend dragon you need to open like 3 rokket cards
9 months ago
Anonymous
Absorouter + any rokket is Borrelend + Savage minimum. If you have a way to get Absorouter into the grave, that's Borrelend + Savage mininum. Drew Tracer or quick launch? You're good to go. Obviously, you're going to draw far more gas than that.
Rilliona already did that. What will happen (if Konami bothers to continue a story people actually care about) is that Endymion will turn Selene into a Mystical Beast chimera
I don’t read cards I just learn from experience. I also don’t look up combo guides I feel the flow and play what I think is best and discover my own strategies.
This debate over YGO being easy/hard to learn is dumb because both sides are clearly talking past each other.
Will autists easily get a grasp on the game after they put their nose to the grindstone and use the internet to research meta decks? Yes.
Is the average joe or player of other TCGs going to get filtered after jumping into the game via Master Duel, playing the tutorials, then realizing the game is completely different and ruthless from second 1? Also Yes.
"Oh yeah it was easy for me" is great, but the average Ganker poster isn't the person that's going to see the game on the app store randomly and download it.
I agree, I think I didn't truly understand the more intricate things about YGO for at least 3 months or more. It takes time to be able to read for yourself and understand PSCT and how it applies to different card interactions in a non-rote way. But one thing I will say, the people who act like it is impossible are just quitters. You can play at a baseline level in a day or two, and an intermediate level in a couple days to a week, a little more maybe if you learn the meta, too. You do have to put in effort, the game is just complicated. Some people, especially if they come from other TCGs have this serious boomer energy where they just refuse to want to learn new things. YGO's playerbase is pretty decent at helping newbies learn, too because we all know this shit gets complicated. There's just no excuse for laziness.
I think the reason people have a boomer reflex is because every other TCG has a much easier onboarding process.
It's not only that they want to refuse to learn new things, it's that every other new thing they learn takes maybe a quarter of the time to get a grasp on and have that knowledge carry over to the game as a whole.
You play Digimon, starter decks will tell you 90% of the knowledge you need. How does memory work? How do inherents work? How do tamers and security effects work? All there from step 1.
You play Vanguard, everything can easily be grasped from like 2 games max.
YGO is the only modern TCG with a learning curve as high as it is, laziness of newbies aside
I thought solo activation was a UR but it isn't, been messing with vaylantz again and it's a lot of fun, I crafted three lava golems and got a UR to dust from the single pull as well so cheers for that.
Took me a minute to get used to playing it again but I'll try sacking some peeps in diamond later today.
>all those new players who tried our game and all agreed on the same reasons on why it's bad?
>yeah they're all wrong and don't know what new players' experience is actually like
Why do modern players cope like this?
I've been playing for a week now but I think it's going to be my last day. Is there a way to give my gems to an anon?
you aren't that loser who was bragging about how good he was in gold are you?
No this is my second post here, the first was asking if the chaos loaner was good.
well no unfortunately no way to give gems or dust away no trading either(even though it is a trading card game)
I LOVE ASH BLOSSOM
I LOVE MAXX C
I LOVE CALLED BY THE GRAVE
I LOVE CROSSOUT
I LOVE UNBREAKABLE BOARDS
I LOVE RHONG
I LOVE GENERIC EXTRA DECK MONSTERS
I LOVE THE GRAVEYARD BEING A SECOND HAND
I LOVE BANISHED CARDS BEING A THIRD HAND
I LOVE THE DECK BEING A FOURTH HAND
>tfw you will never hack konami servers
>tfw you will never see the cards they have allready prepared for the next 3+ years
>tfw you will get heartbroken because they did not even bother making anything for your favourite archetypes
end me
How do I summon Rindbrumm using his graveyard effect? When I activate his effect to summon him game forces me to target albaz and to special summon him. Am I doing something wrong?
Extra Deck monsters can only be summoned from GY or banished if you properly summoned them first. I'm guessing you milled Rindbrumm with Mirrorjade so it doesn't count.
So that was my problem, thanks.
adding to what the other anon said there's a special icon in the card descriptor that appears on the left (when you hover over it) indicating if the monster was properly summoned first before being in graveyard or banished
forgot to post this as well
https://gameplay.tips/guides/yu-gi-oh-master-duel-duel-screen-info-guide-duel-field-menu-and-icons.html
the game never explains what these icons mean, they are kinda self explanatory but a reference tab would be nice regardless
Map to 3 please
That's not kaibaman
Is winning in ranked the only way to get gems (other than solo)?
Can I get gems from playing casual matches or playing against friends?
No. You can get gems in events though.
What are events?
event startss in 3 days and if you do everything you can make about 3000 gems
This even is going to suck, isn't it?
When don't they? I swear every event is worse than the last and I have no doubts this one will somehow manage to be worse than labrynth the event
4 attribute was fun
Those were actually fun you're right
APOLOGIZE NOW!
People will b***h about Kali Yuga, but I never ran into it.
>2nd theme chronicle
no, frick you and your aidroids
good times when rikka wasn't a trannie deck
>I swear every event is worse than the last
I started April, ever event has been an excuse to showcase the new pack. Attribute 4 showcased Vernusylph, WCQ showcased Spright/Tears (kek), Synchro event showcase Goatse, Fiend/Fairy showcased Labrynth.
by this pattern we can probably expect some beastiality event for Purrely and a psychic event for Kashtira, paybe past/future with dinos and psychics
>paybe past/future with dinos and psychics
Man, it really feels like we don't have a lot of rival types
Like we have Warriors vs Spellcasters, Aqua vs Pyro (at least conceptually), Fairy vs Fiend and then everything else is kinda just weird stretches
No.
t. Dark chad
I am worried about some of the dark decks like Lab, Danger Tear, Danger Darkworld and Dinomorphia, Dragon link and Warrior goodstuff. Those are probably going to be the best decks.
Ally of Justice event.
The funny thing is even facing guaranteed all light opponents Ally of Justice is just a mid to high mid deck. It's really bad.
>dead hours
Anyway Ben Kei OTK is fun. I was able to pull it off multiple times last night. I may use it to meme on light gays during the event
How can the state of a game be so incredibly miserable that even WITH coaching, new players come out of it with NOTHING?
People kept telling Rarran to get someone to coach him for yugioh, but here's Team APS coaching Tolarian (a known MTG player), and he learns literally nothing:
>31:04 "I'm not following any of what-... I just get that he's winning"
>Paul himself getting bored of this at 7:21
30 minutes of teaching for a 4-turn game where the new player learned NOTHING.
being a good player doesn't mean you're good at teaching
also paper is completely incomprehensible, just play Master Duel if you're new
Because seasoned players keep recommending the wrong decks to newcomers. All you have to do is give them a control deck that doesn't use the extra deck much or at all. I played traptrix and Guru when MD first came out and only moved on to more complicated decks after getting comfortable with the games rules.
Just give new players birds floo. Very simple and braindead to play and very powerful. No extradeck frickery required.
I think Floo is bit much with all the chain management, but probably easier to grasp for a newcomer than Dragonmaid or Salad.
>seasoned players keep recommending the wrong decks to newcomers
Oh wow finally reasonable player I bet the rest of his post is also-
>All you have to do is give them a control deck that
Dropped
THIS pic right here is where you start with yugioh.
THIS is what yugioh is supposed to be.
NONE of that modern impenetrable and incomprehensible slop.
those initial four starter decks have and always will be the definition of SOUL
The English Kaiba one was fricked though, the Jap version got 3 Blue Eyes in it and they were all from different regions like Kaiba's.
I’m more than willing to accept that they realized giving people three extremely powerful monsters in caveman Yugioh meta isn’t the smarter idea
I feel like control decks rely too much on knowing your opponents deck and the optimal time to interrupt them
I'd say a good beginner deck would be anything that just involves turboing out some win-con/boss monster without massive complicated combos. That way you can just learn your own lines, focus on your own play instead of worrying about what the opponent is doing, and you'll learn about the common types of interruption the enemy is playing through trial and error.
I complained about how hard yugioh is to learn as a newbie too. Then I realized the game is actually incredibly simple and was approaching the game with the wrong mindset. It's not like any other card game on the market and if you try learning it with that mentality then you will struggle. I haven't been playing THAT long (less than a month) and I'm already using fun meme strategies like
and I have been experimenting with my own deck ideas too. It's not that hard and if Brian really wanted to learn then he could no problem. He seems like a smart guy
because only turbo autists play this game. you think normies bothered to memorizes 40 words text in a single card? a single spell have 4 different types. yugioh is so convoluted that you have to play the deck itself in order to know how to counter it. there is no way a person could master this game.in a single month, let alone a few hours
That's why classic yugioh (and even up to 5D's) is the only reasonable version of the game.
You're overthinking it. Master Duel is ironically the best way to teach a newcomer. Have them play through the first tutorials then let them play with the starter deck against CPUs since that teaches ED summoning. Learning on paper is horrible since you need to know all the rules and steps, that's all automated in MD.
I'm a newcomer having completed all of the tutorials and I still don't think I completely understand all of the mechanics. Some of the tutorials are way too handholdy where as others like the link summon ones just drop you with a random deck and expect you to figure it out while the CPU summons monsters that rock your shit unless you do something incredibly specific to stop them. Where do I go from here btw? I started playing the solo monarch battles but I don't feel like I'm learning much of anything from them.
Just carry on playing solo mode for a while, there's a ton of them that will introduce you to a bunch of decks. You'll pick things up as you go
The archetype battles after the tutorial only really teach you how to play those specific decks. The purpose of all those duels is so you find an archetype you really click with. Keep playing until you find something you want to play for real and then take it to ranked. You'll get rocked regardless of how good it is because there's smurfs all the way down to rookie, but just keep at it. If you're really having trouble type the archetype into youtube and find a better player who runs it and they might teach you how to play it better or what cards to put in your deck to make it better.
The early solo modes are cancer. I think people here have forgotten how terribly designed the decklists were since it's been so long for them.
How are you morons not getting it? How are you this autistically daft?
It's not paper vs digital.
It's not the lack of tutorials.
It's not using the wrong meta deck.
It's not the lack of a coach.
The game is a fricking complicated mess that does not encourage learning. That's literally it. Nothing outside of that. Nothing more nor less.
You're like those moronic boomers trying to understand why kids shoot up schools, and trying to blame phones and video games instead of their own shitty parenting.
Drop a kid into Rocket League and give them a controller and they get it in 5 minutes.
Drop a kid into 1991 in front of an SF2 arcade machine with a handful of quarters and they get it in 1 minute.
Drop a kid into Yu-Gi-Oh! Power of Chaos in 2003 and they get yugioh in 10 minutes.
Drop a kid into 1993 in front of a mouse and keyboard with Doom and they get it in 2 minutes.
Drop an ADULT into MODERN yugioh and they come out with NOTHING in 30 minutes.
Why does someone need to read books worth of card texts just to follow what happened in a card game meant for kids?
You are fricking delusional, and your refusal to listen to what new players have said time and time again is a fricking cope.
I started a couple months ago and I'm doing just fine, sounds like you're just low IQ
>"I will continue to cope and not listen to new players' one consistent complaint"
Go give them rush duel like Konami intended then. I don't know why these videos don't just give these magic tards Runick since I'm sure its a deck they could understand.
I don't care if new players are borderline illiterate to not understand what a card does after reading it once. You're the same kind of moron who does those YGO comics about how every single card is a wall of text because they're too monkeybrained to realize that most cards will only have 1-2 easy to understand effects, yet they're scared shitless because of their inability to read.
>please memorize 12000 cards by reading them once or you're illiterate
That's like saying you need to memorize 200 pages of frame data before playing a fighting game. You just need to know what's happening at the current moment. Master Duel even highlights the part of the text that's happening in any given interaction. If you STILL don't want to read then honestly maybe card games aren't for you.
>That's like saying you need to memorize 200 pages of frame data before playing a fighting game
What a moronic point.
There's no need to even know that frame data exists to start having fun in a fighting game.
With modern yugioh, YOU NEED TO NEED TO KNOW WHAT EVERY CARD DOES AT EVERY MOMENT AND WHAT EVERY POTENTIAL CARD EVERY DECK COULD POSSIBLY RUN.
Go and find out how many cards that is.
>With modern yugioh, YOU NEED TO NEED TO KNOW WHAT EVERY CARD DOES AT EVERY MOMENT AND WHAT EVERY POTENTIAL CARD EVERY DECK COULD POSSIBLY RUN.
Black person one of the world champions just played in his own fricking imperm column
You don't need to know much to make it in this game
>Black person one of the world champions just played in his own fricking imperm column
Only serves to prove my point of how complicated this game is.
You think if there weren't so many things happening in one turn and keep track of that he'd make that mistake?
>You think if there weren't so many things happening in one turn and keep track of that he'd make that mistake?
Not him, but absolutely. People make mistakes under pressure all the time.
>You don't need to know frame data in fighting games just have fun!
>Oh he did a move that is plus and you didn't know so you lost because of it? That's just part of the fun of fighting games!
>You NEED to know every card in the game!
>See, he played a card you don't know about (and you didn't read it because of reasons) so you lost, that's why yugioh is bad!
What are you even trying to do here
>With modern yugioh, YOU NEED TO NEED TO KNOW WHAT EVERY CARD DOES AT EVERY MOMENT AND WHAT EVERY POTENTIAL CARD EVERY DECK COULD POSSIBLY RUN
Gee you're right I should go and read Silver Wolf's flavor text right now, no wonder I haven't been able to beat Tearlaments.
See? Dishonest.
Ironic
I'm just going to reply one more time because you're either baiting or incredibly stupid. Do you really think all of us here had to go and read every single card that has ever been printed before we could start playing? We all learn as we go, we read the deck we build, then we read our opponents' cards and game knowledge starts building up. You learn what the most commonly used cards do and you learn to identify keywords such as (Quick Effect) or "target" to play around them, and this comes from someone who hadn't played in almost 20 years.
>My Ash got negated because Called by the Grave negates for two whole turns? Well, have to keep that in mind now
>If I destroy Evenly Matched before it resolves I'll have to banish all my cards? Good to know now
>If I destroy a continuous or field card the effect won't resolve? That's good knowledge
Read and learn, is that too much to ask? Considering your posts, it appears to be.
>My Ash got negated because Called by the Grave negates for two whole turns? Well, have to keep that in mind now
To be fair, even good players forget that it lasts two turns. It's a poorly designed card.
reminder
>I'll pretend that yugioh is only staple cards and nothing else
>nope, there aren't hundreds of archetypes and thousands of cards
>it's only Ash and Called By
>just these handful of cards
>Do you really think all of us here had to go and read every single card that has ever been printed before we could start playing
>we read the deck we build
How do you even get to the point where you know which deck to build? That process doesn't involve reading hundreds of cards to determine which deck you're gonna play? And then reading a hundred more to see which best fit into the deck?
You're unfathomably dishonest.
Not only that, but you all keep avoiding the actual main criticism, but the fact that the game is COMPLICATED, NOT reading, which is what (You) keep pretending is the issue.
None of you are addressing this.
None of you are talking about how there are countless ways to combo and summon 20 monsters a turn and omni-negate and make unbreakable boards and countless ways to summon generic monsters and countless handtraps you have to play around, and then ALSO for your opponent to do that.
Why do you never address this?
why do you keep insisting that a newbie will end up facing those "thousands of cards" when starting out? He will probably face at most 100 in their first 20 matches, depending on how centralized the meta is. Why do I need to learn what Abyss Actor Super Producer does when I won't be facing Abyss Actors at fricking all and instead will probably face off against Tears? Why do I need to learn how the effect of Gameciel works when 99% of the time it's used just to out boss monsters? You're a disingenuous butthole
>How do you even get to the point where you know which deck to build?
Like this:
>Hey guys, can you recommend me a good deck for a beginner?
>Hey guys, I like this archetype's art, is the deck good?
>I like this style of gameplay, what decks can you recommend me?
>I'm looking for a stronger deck, what can you recommend?
Even if you're completely socially inept, you should still have the brain capacity to open Google and search "ygo deck for beginners/meta/control/whatever".
In this thread alone, there were 10 different morons recommending 15 different starter decks.
You idiots have no consensus because you're out of touch.
Thousands of people keep yelling at you the same singular problem of complexity and you still don't get it and blame the proverbial "phones" instead.
And you have come up with exactly 0 responses to this point. In no reply here have you ever addressed WHY people keep saying bringing up this same issue, nor why they keep getting reeled in with Yugi/Kaiba sets.
What you DO prefer doing is coping like this
>there were 10 different morons recommending 15 different starter decks.
God forbid there's a variety of decks that a new player could try. Why don't they just mandate Summoned Skull beatdown like the good old days?
>Why don't they just mandate Summoned Skull beatdown like the good old days?
That's the way it SHOULD be.
>And you have come up with exactly 0 responses to this point.
We all have but you're like a child covering his ears yelling "LALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU" because our replies don't fit your narrative about how YGO is unlearnable, unplayable and 100% unfriendly to new players. You're upset because we didn't agree to some idiotic youtuber's video about how hard it is to get into the game and I bet you're not even a regular here and just came to complain about a game you might not even play, making your arguments completely worthless. People here are more than happy to point new players into the right direction, we even have an updated guide so they can get on track, but no, the game is trash and unplayable because your favorite e-celeb said so.
Stop wasting our time.
How about (You) stop wasting MY time and actually respond to the point, moron?
I talk about complexity and you morons go "you mean reading?" like that's the same frickin thing.
>everyone agree about the problem but have their own takes
There is nothing wrong about that. No one claim (or understand) that this would singlehandlingly solve the problem.
I only want a pure type festival. I imagin that this would settle all debates all at once
>very few handtrap (maxx c is insect)
>no generics ( apol/fairy, ip/cyberse, unicorn/fiend)
>no piles
Sounds like all shit from Ganker, "how we fixed yugioh".
>maxx c is insect
It's really cool how a Type is gimped forever because of this Black personaids card, and somehow while in the process of making engines and decks to play around this fricking pozzedslop card it never occurred to the OCG that maybe shit like Rhongo can die so they can finally ban Maxx "C"
moron
insect is not gimped because of maxx c, insect is gimped because Konami doesn't think insects are cool or noteworthy. Pay attention to how many dragons, mechas and warrior archetypes there are when compared to insects.
>inb4 "but muh can no print generic searcher for maxx c because hurrrr"
Type ROTAS are a fricking mistake. Ideally most of them would be restricted to type and attribute combinations instead of every fricking dinosaur having to play oviraptor because literally anything else is worse.
2 Insects equal Maxx "C" access, which is probably why the strongest Insect boss is Sting the fricking Poison moron
Union Carrier was always able to access maxx c through Sangan moron, and I can't see you claiming that's such a game-breaking combo when there's far better things to do with Union Carrier than getting a handtrap in hand. It's exactly the same for insects, searching Maxx C is a garbage, overhyped combo because searching for the bug accomplishes frick all when the foundation behind accomplishes a monster negate at best.
Goddamn how much I fricking hate people like you, fricking have a nice day. Exodia exists, yet we keep getting spellcasters archetypes all the fricking time.
>the generic spellcaster searcher
Also, I know you're moronic but Insects only have 2 real targets for Picofalena.
>abloobloo its because konami thinks insects are heckin lame
Yeah bro the Japanese thinks insects are lame, that's why the game franchise based off some kids's insect fights died off and absolutely loathe that tokusatsu show about men in insect costumes
It might sound funny but I think Konami is way too dumb or just don't care. You can look at every POTE. Spright abused union + toad right out of the gate. They learnt nothing from that and went on with Kash when Diablosis was legal.
The Academy Event was the lowest power actual event we've had in the past 6 months
After that would be the Dice Roll Tryout duel, which was actually fun for what it was.
My first deck was Myutants and it was awesome. I think it was a good choice to help me learn the game
There isn't one correct answer for a starter deck, just a few general things you want to keep in mind
My only advice for picking your first deck would be
>play solo modes and look at the structure decks to see if anything catches your eye
>otherwise MDM's top decks list or just scroll through the list of secret packs and look into anything that looks cool
>do a little research just to make sure it's actually a playable deck (doesn't need to be tier 1, but you don't want one of the absolute bottom of the barrel archetypes or something seriously outdated that can't function in todays game)
>and for the love of God avoid youtube at all costs when looking for decklists or advice
At the risk of sounding moronic, what's wrong with youtube?
Not him but YT likes to shill decks as good by cherrypicking replays and posting games against people either misplaying with meta or playing bad decks.
Even Ganker typically doesn't do that. If a deck's shit, Ganker will tell you it's shit.
Yeah Cali is a big example of this, he called Thunder Dragons meta while showcasing replays of tier 3 decks misplaying
A ton of "UNDERRATED DECK IS THE NEW STRONGEST META!?" clickbait to trick you into building trash or gimmicky decks.
You have to look at that ugly SamuraiX1 guy constantly
They are tons of investorgays shilling whatever new shit they can so they can artificially inflate the price of a rare card and make lots of money off it. The most egregious example was Crossout. That card costed over a 100 dollars at the peak of its hype and has since seen zero play in the TCG.
>tons of investorgays shilling whatever new shit they can so they can artificially inflate the price of a rare card and make lots of money off it
I hate that shit. I'm stuck waiting for this fricking thing to not be $35 a copy.
Shit like this
Very easy for new players to be caught out before they know good decks from bad
Tear 0 who?
Ghost Rick
Ghost Trick best deck lets go
Man I fricking wish Ghostrick wasn't total fricking ass to play. I love the art
It’s just that, that deck has one of the greatest sins for this game, bad win con. Ghost Trick main wincon literally is to annoy the opponent until he takes the L and leaves the table.
shit taste, they are dishonorable archetype to every zombiechad
If you unironically think ghostrick is tier zero you deserve to lose your gems.
we're talking about people's FIRST deck anon
it's even one of the things featured in the solo modes
same
Links should get destroyed if something tries to force them face-down, hire me toonami
That shit is not even the best way to play Ghosttrick on MD
Man you're a bigger homosexual than OP ever could be.
Yeah god forbid a new player doesn't learn what Ghostrick Scare does before they hop into ranked. Literally unplayable!
Oh, it's just this ONE card? Just this ONE singular card that a player has to read to learn all of yuigoh and start doing well? Just this ONE singular specific card and no others? Just this one singular specific card and not the thousand others that get typically used in meta?
what "thousands"? Current meta uses at best 150 cards out of the entire pool. Just learn those and you will be peachy.
>Current meta uses at best 150 cards out of the entire pool
Instead of pulling numbers out of your ass, here's some actual data: https://www.masterduelmeta.com/top-cards
63 cards per page.
By page 8 you're still seeing cards that are typically used.
That's over 500 cards alone.
By page 21 you're still seeing limited (i.e. viable) cards, which is over 1300 cards.
>page 8
>fricking heroes, endymion and phantom knights
You're fricking pathetic dude
see WCS and count if it is more than 150 cards
yeah dude I definitely have to learn what fricking Gigantes does before jumping into ranked. You're a fricking disingenuous butthole and I won't stop repeating it. Why do you keep insisting that new players have to learn thousands upon thousands of worthless card effects just to jump into ranked? I'm a meta player and I couldn't tell you what most cards do exactly in every single deck outside of their most relevant effect
>crystal wing synchro dragon - negates
>lyrilusc whatever xyz - searches
>revival golem - summons itself
That's fricking it. You keep acting like you have to know the in-and-out of every fricking card in the meta when reading what the card does in front of you functionally achieves the same effect at the end of the day.
>page 8
Bro don't you even THINK about touching ranked until you know what Lyrilusc - Promenade Thrush does!
AAAAAAAAAAAA IS THAT MONSTER REBORN?
I HAVE LITERALLY NO IDEA WHAT THIS CARD COULD DO I'M GOING INSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANE
Droll & Lock Bird appears in page 10, 630 cards in
Far cry from 150
oh yeah that card nobody plays
Just to prove my point: I went to https://ygoprodeck.com/tournament/yu-gi-oh-world-championship-2023-587 to look at which archetypes the pros were using.
There were only 12 players whose decks were available, which includes 8 entirely distinct decks (using different archetypes).
I wrote a script to count how many different cards there are, and just among those 8, there were 271 different cards (Main, Extra, Side).
So we're already at nearly twice as much cards
That's around 33 distinct cards per archetype.
There were 5 more archetypes listed that had no deck lists.
Multiplying 271 by (8+5)/8 gives a rough estimate of 440 cards among those archetypes listed.
And there are still 6 players who have no archetypes listed.
So you're looking at anywhere from 440 to 644 DISTINCT CARDS THAT ARE META.
There is no way in hell could anyone reasonably expect new players to know 400-600 cards by heart to navigate this complicated game and derive any fun from it.
That's just fricking moronic.
Modern yugioh is shit.
homie I AM a new player
I jumped into Master Duel after not playing since DM/early GX days (and that was playground meta, I didn't actually know how to play)
I also started on the exact same day Tearlaments released lmao
I don't get what you think is so complicated
>all these new players pointing to the same issue and all these other yugioh players agreeing with them must all be wrong
what issue? the fact that they have to read?
go play literally any other game, jesus fricking christ stop whining
50% of Americans are functionally illiterate, its about time Yugioh became more accessible
I have the perfect card game for you bros
Reading is so easy for you that you couldn't read this
I started about a year ago and while facing rogue-decks does cause some confusion, you really are the one at fault here.
>Why do I need to learn a hobby in order to enjoy it?
>The game is a fricking complicated mess that does not encourage learning
Skill issue, I started the game on second month of release with Dragonmaids and had no problems understanding what each phase does or how to summon the different kinds of ED monsters. You just have to fricking read, that's it, the rest gets easier as you identify keywords and commonly used cards.
>Drop a kid into 1991 in front of an SF2 arcade machine with a handful of quarters and they get it in 1 minute
He sure will get how to buttonmash until he does a Hadoken by pure luck.
See
>Why does someone need to read books worth of card texts just to follow what happened in a card game meant for kids?
OH LAWDY READING THE TEXT OF EVERY CAWD IS JUST TOO HAWDDDDD
>It is not using the wrong meta deck
It is true though. Most people would recommend salad (why?). The good deck for newcomers would be swordsoul and Kash.
>Drop a kid to sf2
And he would get bodied so hard because an arcade is full of people that have been playing since the beginning.
I literally told IT ISN'T ABOUT THE WRONG DECK AND YOU STILL SAY IT LIKE A moron.
THE WHOLE FRICKING GAME IS WRONG YOU moron.
Nobody wants to play your modern schizo fest; that's why Konami keeps releasing sets of old characters and cards again and again.
>And he would get bodied so hard because an arcade is full of people that have been playing since the beginning.
All you morons b***hing about "not reading", yet you yourselves can't read.
No shit a player with a higher level can beat a beginner. When did I say otherwise, you moron?
My point was about how someone could literally go into a game of MODERN yugioh and come out with literally nothing.
Again and again and again and again. Every big name YouTuber in card games comes to the same conclusion, and you morons are like "hmmm it must be because you played sprighterinos instead of dragondookies".
>Every big name YouTuber
Why didn't you open with this so I knew to disregard everything you say from the start?
Imagine going to fricking youtubers for your opinions
>Why didn't you open with this so I knew to disregard everything you say from the start?
What, you have a problem with reading or something?
I have a problem with reading pointless whining, yeah
Yugioh cards actually say things of substance and value, and there's a tangible benefit to me reading them unlike your posts
>Nobody want to play
Just because the game is bad doesn't mean that we cannot make a (relatively) good tutorial out of it you fricking tofu. My post is shorter and yet you fail to read it.
For learning the game, I found that Skystriker is actually great. Teaches you a lot about reaource management and what you're actually supposed to hit. Yugioh is a game where you have to build experience and play against decks to actually know what to do against them. To this day, D-Link is probably the most awful fricking deck for me to play against since I still have no idea what to hit.
Against D-Link you want to prioritize Striker Dragon and if they can still extend, negate Romulus, from my experience against them they really want their field spells so they can continue extending.
Romlulus is a bigger choke than Striker now because it's the main way to dump Lubellion
Sprind is the choke in Spright
Just play, man. Jesus
hope you keep ranting about this on stream in a few minutes Mr Rothschild
I have never read a word of the rulebook and learned to play just fine when master duel launched by just trying shit out and sometimes taking 30 seconds to google something. I am not particularly smart. you may be just stupid.
>I am not particularly smart
Maybe that's why you got into it; you liking smashing your head into walls, so you just smashed your head into this game until you got used to it, without any regard if it's even fun or worth it.
Other people care about that stuff though.
could you're just a drooling moron or a midwit with an inflated ego. either way, what you think doesn't matter.
>what you think doesn't matter
There's that cope again.
Hundreds of thousands of players saying "it's too complicated", and then the morons reply with "doesn't matter what you think".
>Hundreds of thousands of players
where? do tell
>where?
Here you go.
all me. and I say the game's not complicated enough.
At what point do you admit you're coping?
you shamelessly claimed to speak for 200k+ ppl you know nothing about. what is there for me to do but mock you with an equally shameless claim? your delusions of grandeur are funny if nothing else.
Would've been shorter to type "never", but you like wasting time with words.
>stats on players leaving
>stats on text length
>yet I'm the disingenuous one?
According to this pic, yes.
>stats on meta card pool size
[...]
Just to prove my point: I went to https://ygoprodeck.com/tournament/yu-gi-oh-world-championship-2023-587 to look at which archetypes the pros were using.
There were only 12 players whose decks were available, which includes 8 entirely distinct decks (using different archetypes).
I wrote a script to count how many different cards there are, and just among those 8, there were 271 different cards (Main, Extra, Side).
So we're already at nearly twice as much cards
That's around 33 distinct cards per archetype.
There were 5 more archetypes listed that had no deck lists.
Multiplying 271 by (8+5)/8 gives a rough estimate of 440 cards among those archetypes listed.
And there are still 6 players who have no archetypes listed.
So you're looking at anywhere from 440 to 644 DISTINCT CARDS THAT ARE META.
There is no way in hell could anyone reasonably expect new players to know 400-600 cards by heart to navigate this complicated game and derive any fun from it.
That's just fricking moronic.
Modern yugioh is shit.
BUT THE GAME'S TOTALLY FINE TRUST ME BRO
DON'T LISTEN TO THE NUMBERS LISTEN TO ME
>BUT THE GAME'S TOTALLY FINE TRUST ME BRO
correct. now buzz off. your moronic wedge issues only work in politics.
These two cringely-worded posts have got to be by the same moron.
60 words per card time 644 cards gives ~40k words.
Actual book have ~70k words minimum.
Numbers don't care about your headcanon that you use to defend a broken game.
sounds like projection, famalam.
That's even worse. Means you're two stupid people.
by all means keep the damage control posts rolling in.
Funny thing is I'm not even that guy.
Double the morons
>most decks carry 40 main deck cards + 15 extra deck ones
>most cards will be 3-of, so the amount of cards you need to learn gets reduced
>many cards in the deck are staples 90% will use, it takes just a few duels to catch on what they do
>now that you have learned your deck and eased into the game mechanics, you can jump into duels, read your opponent's cards to know what they do and learn as you play
>eventually you'll duel against the same decks so you'll already have the knowledge of what they do, if not just a quick glimpse at the text should be enough
You make it sound like rocket science when several people here have already commented on how easy it is to get into the game, pick a deck they found cool and learn as they go. If you and the youtuber you love to wienersuck so much have so much trouble getting into the game, then I'd advise you to go back to school and work on your reading comprehension.
>when several people here have already commented on how easy it is to get into the game
oh wow incredible, 5 anonymous Ganker posters said they somehow managed to learn yugioh (WITH external help) in the MASTER DUEL thread of all places, such a convincing argument
you lost
Kitt won
5 anonymous Ganker posters with little to no experience about modern YGO had less trouble getting into the game than a "professional card game player" while being coached. What does that say about the e-celeb you love to wienersuck so much?
i already refuted this argument, please write something new
>he uses Steam charts as his argument
>he doesn't account the people who played and dropped the game in the first month because of the novelty
>he thinks he knows what those 200k+ people think about the game
We should call you Psychic End Punisher because you're punishing us with your obvious mindreading powers to no end.
Point me to those hundreds of thousands of players. Or are you going to quote your "professional TCG player" that couldn't understand the game with coaching again? He's not your friend, stop parroting his worthless opinions like they're yours.
>I am smart because I don't want to read cards
these threads are alright sometimes. my sides
>I am smart because I bang my head on the wall for entertainment
You sure are, buddy.
If the baboons that don’t get the reason why the men in blue are coming after them for picking up a flat screen without paying can fully understand and even top some Yugioh events, I am sure you can do that too.
>gatekeeped by reading and comprehension
yugioh is based yo, you are just angry because you got filtered, enjoy not belonging
yugioh is a complicated mess and has some issues with cards and their meaning
things like targeting and selecting a card being two different things with one being protected and the other not can be rather strange when it seems like the same action
things like that i think need to be cleared up and fundamentally selecting a card and targeting become the same thing
clearing of up confusing things like that will make the game a more straightforward and fun
konami built rules on top of rules that dont necessarily build a good foundation
What's so hard to learn? I started Master Duel when the last time I played was before Synchro and I did it very casually, and it was very easy to get into. Just don't be a moron and don't recommend stuff like Tearlaments or Dragon Link to someone who first needs to get used to the game's mechanics.
skill issue
my friend who had almost 0 ygo experience and 0 card game experience in general reached gold in like two hours with dragonmaids after I guided him a little and he already understands all ED mechanics
Team "I brought floodgate eldlich to a tournament" APS doesn't know how to teach new players? Color me surprised
There's nothing wrong with floodgate eldlich.
what does tournament play have to do with new players?
you gays will take any excuse to cry about floodgates even when it's not relevant
he's a moron. his approach to learning the game was moronic. he was unwilling to read his own cards let alone his opponent's cards. he clicked buttons and made plays without flippantly, without understanding what his endgoal was. it's not the correct mindset to have.
dumbass Black person. classic yugioh had extensive card text too. only difference now is the breadth of card viability. if you go up against some random petdeck and you don't read their cards you will get your shit pushed in.
>classic yugioh had extensive card text too
What a disingenuous point.
>here's 25 cards in the entire card pool that had too much text back then
>totally the same as 2500 meta viable cards that all have to much text now, a tenth of which have TWO text boxes
What a moron.
>totally the same as 2500 meta viable cards that all have to much text now
if you omitted hopt text tenyis have less effect text than card trooper had before psct. not every modern meta viable card is fricking nirvana high paladin and the mere insinuation is poisoning the well. yet I'm the disingenuous one? kys.
I wonder if Konami could format cards so HOPT/OPTs are removed from the base, in their own separate section. It's not an issue for us but seeing words melt burger brains
your average burger hardly qualifies as a sentient being. their concerns are irrelevant.
burgers and leafs are the biggest whales in this game, their money matters even if their opinions do not
if they're already whaling there's no need to do anything. just make more waifu mates.
>yet I'm the disingenuous one?
According to this pic, yes.
does this even bother to take into account shared text? take bystials for instance. if you omit the hopt and shared summoning mechanic most have their unique text is pretty short aside from baldrake's which has about 3 words. even in the boomer days monsters with longer effect text like glad beasts had lots of shared text.
>aside from baldrake's which has about 3 words
*30 words
>does this even bother to take into account shared text?
Why should it?
Lots of cards with shared text in their archetypes could be splashed into lots of decks.
If a player sees such a card, they're not gonna somehow do less of an effort in trying to understand how it affects the match.
It's crazy to me that in the middle of the Synchro era, the word count was still 20% higher than the beginning, but now it's almost 70% higher than Synchro
modern word count is inflated by mandatory hopt clauses and pendulumnigs. hopt wasn't standardized in the synchro era.
>Picked up Master Duel at launch
>Stupid yugi boomer so I obviously made Blue Eyes deck and ate a bunch of shit and had no clue whats going on
>Have friend who actually plays the game but is by no means an expert
>He suggests Dragonmaid and gives me the rundown how it works and some basic combos
>Start actually winning
>Get frustrated whenever some new meta deck would release like Swordsoul but solve that dilemma by just googling what that deck does, their gameplan, and best ways to play against them
>Wow I’m actually having fun
>Branch out to other decks and simply google and practice with them in ranked to get a feel for them
>Been enjoying Master Duel, full clearing every event and reaching Diamond/Master every time since
Like I get the Master Duel tutorials and shit absolutely do not prepare you at all for what the actual game against human opponents is like but it really isnt that hard to get a feel for the game with just a little bit of dueling and choosing a deck with a moderate power level thats easy to jump into like say Dragonmaid or Live Twins that only really has a single combo you do. The extent of my “coaching” was a discord friend dming me “Spheres/Sheou pass” and I managed to figure out the rest via my own research.
Yes there is bullshit in the game that you arent prepared for like when the streamers banishes his own accesscode off its own effect but those are mistakes that everyone should make to learn from.
Based
Im a total yugiboomer and learned the game easily after getting told to play Dragonmaid by anons here
tbh any deck where cards share functionality ends up being easy to understand/pilot. tenyi, dragonmaid, crusadia, etc.
Based. They told me to play Swordsoul. I'm learning fast
Very similar experience, I got into the game on February with my last experience with the game being Duel Academy for GBA, I picked Dragonmaids because they looked cute and it eased me into the game very quickly. Even the XYZ event at that moment taught me what XYZ cards were and how to play them and I did it by playing the Galaxy Eyes loaner.
This is pretty much how I started out as well, except I just found out about Live Twins by myself and liked the card art enough to want to build them and just branched out from there.
Its a hard game to get into but its doable if you just sit down and learn it. Hell, thats part of the fun really
K but Sunny is the best Evil Twin
Yes but its always fun to bully flatties, especially when they are best girl
In Yugioh the titty monster gets bullied by the flattie
Both is good
>flatties
>best girl
literally impossible
I like TCC well enough, but he's kind of a dumbass. There's an old video of him playing a real game of Magic and he literally doesn't know how to play (despite it being his livelihood).
Isn't it a joke on his channel that he never wins anything? I think he only won once in all of his videos. Still a pretty funny guy and entertaining.
online ccggays can't play real card games. it's an ironclad rule. guy's a hearthstone player. should tell you all you need to know about his supposed intelligence.
what are you even talking about?
moron.
good post bro
thanks bro.
The reason why new players have such a hard time getting into yugioh are:
1.Bad Preconceived notions about what yugioh is actually about or what it plays like.(usually done through youtubers, anime and memes)
2. They lack the patience to sit down and learn the game or the deck they're playing and usually if they have a friend teaching them something they usually just tell the newbie "Play X meta deck" basically giving them something way above their paygrade and expecting them to go "yea this all totally make sense now" and I'll admit there's no way to get around this because konami refuse to provide a low power environment like duel links or like ranked like mode where's you're locked with other scrubs with it's own banlist locking cards with more complex effects at lower tiers and as they climb more of the list get freed revealing and suggesting cards to add like hand traps and providing info on them. Like call it duel school or something.
3.They simply don't read and people do not give them context on how yugioh cards work. Like literally nobody ever says that yugioh cards literally just do what they say do and the only thing that can be tricky about them is that real world grammar can lead to interesting things or that decks they'll fight have some kind of theme it's following.
Honestly thought I think yugioh just have the same problem fighting games have where there's no real easy way to get in unless you have the drive to.
>"They lack the patience to sit down and learn the game"
>"They simply don't read"
>you have to sit down and read for weeks before deciding if you like a game
Do I have to explain to you why this is bad?
>black people can understand Yugioh
>Magic the Gathering players can't
the absolute state
>yugioh teaches blacks and mexicans exceptionally autistic hyperspecific litigious rulings/laws
Truly the most based TCG
underrated post
>POOOOOOOOLING
Make Legend Anthology an evergreen playlist.
oh god, I wish scheiren steps on my dick like that
Scherien SEX.
I mean, sex is exactly what she's doing in that pic.
what deck can deal with kashtira and lab bullshit well?
kash especially are a joke right now yet they are so oppressive, i'm really getting tired of this shit.
Any half decent deck going first
a deck that can run a shit ton of staple slop and not care too much about their ED
What deck are you playing? Lab will always try to search for cards that will mess your game up, most of the time they will prioritize D. Barrier so it completely depends on what kind of deck you're playing and if you manage to go first and not get handtrapped. Always save your Ash for Welcome/Big Welcome, it's better to let Extravagance or Arianna resolve as long as you don't allow them to bring Lovely or even Cooclock.
>t. Lab player
If you don't draw Nibiru or other handtraps to easily disrupt their combo, then you beat Kashtira by playing blowout cards:
>Lava Golem
>Ra Sphere Mode
>Kaijus
>Swords of Concealing Light
>Book of Eclipse
Lava Golem is the closest thing you have two a silver bullet against zone lock turbo. You wipe out either both Designated Shitting Stars or Arise-Heart and a buddy. However, you will eventually lose to Arise-Heart pass when it releases. Ra beats megaboards, but loses to the smaller ones. Kaijus beat Arise-Heart pass or give you limited room to deal with the Designated Shitting Death Stars. The last two need a spell zone to go off, but end the game if they resolve.
It's "Draw the out": the deck.
Pure spright (yes 3ofs elf sprind and giant) with gazillion of boardbreakers
Exosister is still really good
Exosister loses to Kashtira
>You _____ right?
No. I fricking didn't. Now frick off and have a nice day.
anyone has a picture of the cardboard mats at YCS
The answer to "I'm new. What deck should I play?" will always be Salamangreat.
>It's the easiest deck to build. You buy the SD and craft Splash Mage, Splash Mage, Transcode Talker,and Accesscode Talker (only 1 UR)
>Your bread 'n butter combo only uses link 1s and 2s
>Extenders protect you from losing to poorly used Ash Blossoms and Imperms at low level play
>Searchable back row that is easy to use. New and returning players all understand how back row disruption works. You flip the cards to prevent stuff from happening
>Easy OTK combo route
In 1 year you will build pure z-arc and you wll
>read the pendulum cards
>do the pendulum summon
>summon beyond the booba
>purify zarc rarely
>join the egao cult
simple as
In 1 year I'm going to be playing Yubel's new deck.
>In 1 year you will build pure z-arc..
No, I wont
d.barrier wont really stop zarc decks from doing their turn 1 shenanigans so you better call it during your turn at the very least
I do think the TCG should implement the OCG's numbered effect system to help card clarity, and also so it doesn't have to weirdly space out HOPTs like some fricking spastic
It's funny how other TCGs also require you also read like 3 sentences worth of effects per relevant card yet somehow Yugioh gets the kvetching about OH LAWDY I CAN'T READ
It's not the length. It's the formating. Yu-Gi-Oh has an unbroken wall of text in legalbabble in tiny font, and there's no rhyme or reason to the order of the effects or costs described. Even across the same archetype. Look at Tri-Brigade. 4 of the cards have the exact same line of text, yet for done the effect is toward the start, yet for others, it's at the very end.
You're right about that. If I could make one major sweeping change to the game I'd pay some intern to go through every card and put in some fricking line breaks between effects. There's no reason for MD to follow the same limitations that text boxes on pieces of cardboard have.
But it's hardly a gamebreaking issue
It's kinda weird the TCG or the MD localization team has refused to even remotely touch the idea of numbered effects
If something's well known is that the localization team is filled with monkeys.
It's literally just too much work. Though there's no reason not to write card effects in a numbered way with line breaks on new cards.
Yugioh is the last TCG that's relevant because people play it.
Why is every single Kash Black person running pot of extravagance?
Are you guys copying some chink list? Don't you need the ED?
AHHH IS THAT A PARAGRAPH OF CARD TEXT AHHHHHHHHH HELP ME Black personMAN
She will NEVER be free.
>Benkei Bonkei is legal in the event, along with his butt buddy and all their toys
But why? He's been banned in every event and for good reason too since he enables cheesy wins for non players.
Why do you keep giving the obvious baiting moron (You)s?
There's nothing to talk about until the event starts.
I don't think he was baiting, baiters usually switch the goalposts, this guy was legitimately trying to tell us that learning what Interplanetarypurplythorny Dragon does before jumping into ranked is fundamental for the Yu-Gi-Oh experience and that's what turns off new players, instead of, ya know, the fact that combo players can shit out half their deck and their entire extra in turn 1 with them only being able to watch as every action they take is negated.
>nooooo you NEED to understand entire game after you played it for 1 minute
kek
I forget how stupid TCGnigs are. Then again you are kind of morons that need made up internet friends
Learning is fun. Fricking up, losing because you didn't know interactions, playing your card into imperm column etc is all part of the fun of YGO. It is similar to something like Dota 2 in that way. You learn through trial and error, through playing
>b-but my yugituber buddy says you should instantly understand everything instead of discovering things as you play
you have simple TCGs, go play them instead. There is a reason why MD is popular as it is
you NEED to understand entire game after you played it for 1 minute
Nice strawman.
See how dishonest you morons are?
My point was about grasping THE BASICS.
How is it that a professional card game player grasps ZERO basics in a 30-minute play session WITH coaching?
Literally every other game you can grasp the BASICS in 5 minutes.
Why are you talking as if I said "you should grasp the entire depth of the game in 1 minute"?
(And then morons like
come along and say you responded to my points even though you put words I never said into my mouth, because YOU'RE DISHONEST)
(You)
>How is it that a professional card game player grasps ZERO basics in a 30-minute play session WITH coaching?
Because he's stupid. I don't know, I'm not watching your pretend friend's video. Why don't you go to his stream and send him a superchat so he pays attention to you?
>"please trust my word, an internet faceless rando, over public people who put their money where their mouth is"
>How is it that a professional card game player grasps ZERO basics in a 30-minute play session WITH coaching?
>professional card game player
because he is a moron
what else is to say here?
MD's popularity clearly proves your stance wrong
>MD's popularity
The lack of it clearly proves that nobody's playing it anymore
>lack of popularity
>master duel
compared to fricking what homie?
...itself?
Was the big red circle not big enough?
every big fad game dies down after launch. it simply stopped being the FotM. the game's maintained fairly consistent numbers for over a year.
it has lost players EVERY month except 2
moron
Man I don't get why Yugioh get so much shit for being not friendly for new players, I played only heartstone for many years then I went to Magic Arena and it was SHIT, as a new player you are forced to play mono blue/red for like 3 months before being able to afford a real deck.
you're so fricking stupid it's unreal
I'm reminded of the time someone talked about how shitty Yugioh's twitter reveal stats were in comparison to fricking gacha of all things as opposed to other TCGs which it brutally mogs
>explain everything to newbies
>have 1/10 of MD numbers
Ummm trans sisters?? Were our pretend friends wrong????
MTGO had a standalone client for years, there's no reason for someone who was already playing it to move to steam.
even if you compared its standalone stats combined with the steam userbase MTGA wouldn't have more than the numbers MD does on steam alone.
Prove it.
That's still just steam you nerd.
read the top number moron. that's the number of players in the last hour for the main client. it's about 12k. combined with the steam numbers it totals around 15k in the last hour or so compared to MD's 22k.
you do realize MD drops to like 11k - 15k during our evenings right
so at its lowest MD on steam exclusively would still match MTGA's combined numbers at this moment. a resounding victory.
it sure as hell isn't a massive victory for MD if that's what you're implying
you're out here doing a clearly biased comparison (MD late JP hours vs. MTGA early afternoon on a weekday) and making it out like MD's way ahead
It's 10 am, dude.
Jesus, I didn't realize it was that bad for them. No wonder their freaks are always raiding master duel threads trying to get us to come over there.
it is even more funny when you realize that MD numbers are excluding mobile
that aside I hate yugitubers so fricking much. Their existence enables dumbest fricking morons
>I hate yugitubers so fricking much. Their existence enables dumbest fricking morons
MBT tricked an entire army of MDbabies into believing the Tear mirror was skillful.
one of things i hate about that shit
watching morons bumble their way through Tear combo just to end up on three omni because deck is wholly foolproof is frustrating as it gets
b-but its so INTERACTIVE (for me I mean, I get to play on your turn after all)
Haha bro, just do your thing haha, I've only got 4 negates and 11 interactions total haha, you can play through that, right?
WTF you drew Shifter in your opening hand???? fricking 0 skill floodgates making the game unplayable Konami fricking ban them they're stopping me from playing and ruining the game!
As much as I hate the ~~*rothchild*~~, the tear mirror is incredibly fun. MD never got the paper tear mirror, you don't know what you're talking about
it's to the point where they don't track the progress of concurrent players; only the number of unique players daily/monthly. they'll only ever display concurrent players for the current hour.
This is a prison of Wizard's design. MTGA only includes Standard, Draft, and Pioneer but worse. The most popular format, unfortunately by far, is Commander, with Modern as a runner up.
Can't wait for Blizzard to stick pic related on steam so we can laugh at them too.
this game was a streamer bait from day 1, their only win was the 7 months they were on the spotlight, after the initial fad every fricking one move on because the game's rng cancels out any depth and skill needed to play it
sad that MTG arena is likely still getting more players than the fricking Riot card game.
I like LoR, but the current rotation is ass.
Runeterra is actually kind of fun but I only play the roguelite mode, so it's basically just like another Slay the Spire to me except free. The reward system is just as generous as MD too. I probably have enough meme money to make a couple of ranked decks at this point.
>makes a fighting game
>said fighting game releases at the dusk of the FGC, once all gayhtantards have been branded as pedos by the masses
>and for once those claims weren’t wrong
Are you ready for Project Take The L?
>magic
>more than 50% player retention
>master turd
>less than 10% player retention
lol
>20k players any any give moment
I rest my case
>262k peak
>on Steam only
>during the first months of the game
>meanwhile the game currently has a 57.3 million downloads campaign
Could it be that Steam is no indication whatsoever of the game's current playerbase and the mayority plays on mobile or consoles? Nah, that wouldn't fit your narrative.
you know duel links did way better in the same time frame and that game started off extremely basic?
Deal or No Deal?
>ban Maxx C
>make Solemn Judgment a handtrap with a "if you control no cards" clause.
>Instead of paying half your life life, you must remove a card in your hand from the game. Not banished face down, removed from play.
>Removed from play returns
all solemns or just the og
Just the OG spell/trap or summon negate. It is still a trap card like Imperm and Evenly.
>turn Solemn into MTG's Force of Will
No.
Force of Will keeps Legacy in check
>keeps Legacy in check
>10k a card for a game nobody plays
suuure
Force of Will keeps EDHBlack folk in check
>1 of in a 99 card deck
>keeping anything in check
>his deck doesn't have at least 10 searches
Bad deckbuilding
WoTC collapsing on itself will keep that in check I agree
I'M SEETHING
I'm not a moron with shit taste so no.
Speaking about banlists, I wonder what will be hit this time. This is the first time in pretty much a whole year that we haven't gotten a monthly banlist and there's no way that the current state of the game is healthy in any way.
chink name and druiswurm/maxx c in hand, name a better duo.
Joshua Schmidt asked OCG players how they feel about Maxx "C"!
https://www.indiatoday.in/trending-news/story/japanese-man-dates-wienerroach-for-a-year-claims-she-was-the-love-of-his-life-1444280-2019-02-01
stupid sexy wienerroach
Konami definitely never gimping cards due to the existence of other cards has got to be one of the most moronic things I've ever heard
There is no saving this game. The west barely even plays yugioh now and it is mostly Chinese people you duel.
>The west barely even plays yugioh now
Yugioh is the high profile TCG only card played in centro and south america
Not for long. Dragon Ball and One Piece are taking over fast.
Dragon Ball already fell off.
yugioh should actually be even more complicated to encourage more fair plays.
Tears would be balanced if you banned King of the Swamp, Spright Elf
I'm not even joking. I think the deck would fall off hard
the cope build is spamming negates now, which it is consistent at if it hits 1 Ishizu
I want to frick Visas
this game is a stinking fat piece of shit, why is snow not banned, once this card gets milled the game becomes impossible to play.
chinksects unironically believe maxx c keeps snow in check.
>ygo has f2p friendly system but it has its own shit format
>mtg has great formats but its israelite as hell
why cant we have both things?
I've never played MtG or will, but I will admit their 4 player format looks really fun.
I wish we could get an official YGO 4 player format, it balanced out meta slop Black folk since either >people will focus on it
>it will waste all the negates on the other meta slop Black person
>if you are the only one not playing meta you will get ignored and they you will slowly build up
Yeah a more casual format would work wonders for this game. Not everyone wants competitive meta format all the time.
Bro your Cross Duel?
We do not talk about C**ss D**l here
>people ask for 4 player ygo for years
>create dumb autochess lane game
who got fired for that blunder?
what do you mean, that guy got a raise
How bad is MTGs F2P system? Unironically meaning to get into the digital version on Steam since I've been playing yugioh for like a decade and I kind of want to see the game that inspired it.
>Hundreds of thousands of players saying "it's too complicated"
where lmao? yugiboomers that haven't played the game for 20 years? did you come here from the actman video?
>I'm skillful because I am
>and if I lost, my opponent is definitely cheating chink
The shuffler is rigged bro.
Correct. Any questions?
As a yugiboomer that actually plays, it's not that YGO's issue is overly wordly since it's mostly verbose in telling you when you can activate cards. The real issue is that it's a turn 3 game of just shitting your deck out in one turn.
It's fine if you just want to feel like a cool guy and play some busted shit but it's not very engaging.
Just Kash and Scare by pure luck.
Really wish he had a full Pend archetype before his story ended.
what would YOU play if we had YGO 4ffa Ganker tables?
Every single floodgate with no way to play under them so nobody else can play either.
all sorts of shitty going 3rd/4th cards like the underroot girl and extenders that banish from grave.
I could finally play toons.
Crusadia and try to luckshit my way
that would be interesting, you can probally kill someone...then what you do about the other 2?
You guys are still playing this shit game? I bet it doesn't even have an anime anymore lmao.
>I bet it doesn't even have an anime anymore lmao.
Raye's manga is the only thing i need
god damnit when are they finishing this prostitute's arc. I want to learn about interesting storylines
>I bet it doesn't even have an anime anymore lmao
They should stop fricking around and just make a new series wirh Yugi and Kaiba. Nobody cares about these new homosexuals. Or just make shows about the actual monsters. Why is there no Dragonmaid slice of life? Why isn't there no anime about the Live Twins and their crazy antics? The cards all have good lore that could be used to make fun shows to promote their game
They need to attract children to buying cards, not sweaty 30+ year old virgins.
children don't have the money to spend $500 every couple of months to keep up with the meta
No, but their parents do.
Have you seen the Fifa fanbase?
Exosister Irene (male)
https://twitter.com/nazimiYUGIOH/status/1672105974650531840
>Oh boy I hecking love Zane, Cyber Dragon is the strongest deck from Yu-Gi-Oh! GX. I can't wait to play Yu-Gi-Oh!
No, away with you oldman
>Not making CyberDark End Dragon or Infinity
Fake Ryou fan
For a minute there I thought you took a pic of me, but I'd never run a mate that wasn't the car.
tear Black person
Haha...yeah.
Who would still run a deck like that...haha...
We need more robots and robot fusions.
stand-by
I meant shit like Bruticus and Devastator. I would kill for a Predaking archetype.
To be honest I'm surprised Machina Force and Machina Ruin Force weren't fusions.
I'd still like more machine fusion monsters. Be it union or otherwise.
>machina force's torso comes from machina soldier's dick
>now you can unsee
Damn it anon. Now I legitimately can't unsee.
>Also it's Machina Sniper you dumbfrick.
Shueisha was just being silly with Yu-Gi-Oh R
>what's that, the effect of Covington is literally called Fusion in the manga? And it literally defuses when Yugi activates a card effect to counter it?
>Yup, that should become an effect monster
XYZ Dragon Cannon was made into a fusion monster yet for some reason Machina Force wasn't the same
Yugi also defused Valkyrion.
Truly, we were cucked.
Would be nice to have a Machina boss card that doesn't get blown out of the water in terms of ATK by other cards. I suppose they compensate effects.
Don't talk shit about the Kaiser you Black person, this is a Cyber board.
I will never forgive the cyber style
I member when people used to put Cyber Dragon and this in their decks for the sole reason of fricking with Machine decks.
just imagine if clockwork night was on MD, yugiboomer would fuse everything into chimeratech and the tearlament troony would ragequit
But when you fuse away a tear board they all trigger in GY and come back even stronger
Contact fusions like Chimeratech Fortress do not trigger Tearlament effects since these are inherent summons, not effect summons.
Laundry loves fried food
onahole gang
they are animals
in bed
The Memento retrains should have just been all the shitty statted Lv5 or higher vanillas
She needs to eat more.
Lil-la
Lil-la Hug
I haven't played in months
Are HEROs still shit?
It's the same as ever
Floodgate turbo and hope for the best. That’s it.
Same as it ever was man.
You'd have better luck in Duel Links maybe.
You have Dark Law in a meta where the best deck combos off float effects. A l9t of decks would kill for that.
homosexual is going to suck ass when Kashtira proper comes out.
Aussa
Are pure Therions fun? I just run the Therion package in ABC.
You kinda have to mix them with something, unless you're fine with brick city
Any other good machine decks besides ABC?
The best thing I'd say to mix them with would be PUNK
P.U.N.K. is generic slop. You can slap anything onto P.U.N.K. + Chaos Ruler.
How's pure Kash in the cardboard game?
Gonna build them when they come out
>How's pure Kash in the cardboard game?
expensive
They got shat on by the banlist not long after coming out and now have 2 cards limited and one banned
are you buying high and selling low?
GET MARKET WATCHIN'
Fun fact, most stonkers I’ve meet are refugees from other card games mostly MTG. Normal people mostly play petdecks and only buy or sell when they want to change for another one.
You want my advice?
Invest in a full playset of Maxx C while you still can. Konami is much more likely to take the card off the banlist entirely than ban it in the OCG and Master Duel. This has become pretty obvious after Worlds.
Imagine the meltdown from TCG trannies if this comes to happen.
the only ones having a meltdown are the nips after they all failed to convert in IRL worlds and didn't even make it to finals of MD championships.
TCG players don't want to be ass shit at the game as Maxx C gays
>$386
Damn the spanish player even comboed his name into a full board of 5.
>guys swordsoul is bad because protos is banned!!!
>2nd place
literally unplayable ally of justice-tier garbage
Swordsoul is such a homosexual deck I hate it. 1 card combos shouldn't exist like that deck does. At one point I had everything, a negate, an ash, and a quick effect banish, and the fricker was still able to keep going with 1 card in hand.
Was that card Taia? That's pretty much a board wipe and OTK
>topdeck tenki
>topdeck raye
>topdeck branded fusion
>topdeck spright starter
>topdeck reino
>topdeck emergence
YGO is about one card stuff. nothing you can do about it
1 of these things is not like the other
day 306 of people whining about the chinks' 2 (yes, two) card combos in tear format. next month we'll have people claiming ariseheart is fair and balanced while asking for a mo ye ban.
Ariseheart has more outs than shifter
>b-but tears
Swordsoul is literally not a one card combo deck.
No it’s not it’s a two card combo unless you open with exactly emergence stfu and even then your combo is severely gimped
Mo Ye is not one card combo but any opening hand with Emergence = one card combo
Swordsoul does have one card combo. Emergence by itself and no other engine is Chixiao+Draco Berserker. With other wyrms, it can be a full solitare combo
>branded hitting top 32 even with a giant nuclear banlist of 2 regions combined
ban that shit already
>giant nuclear banlist of 2 regions combined
isn't branded untouched in tcg?
>all of the ash blossom reprints was solely to prep everyone for the return of the roach
>and they'll sell it as a collector's rare in a shit box
Is that eesex?
yes
sex
This is some weird cope from MDbabbys for some kind of weird revenge fantasy, Maxx C is never coming off in TCG. If by some chance it did, it'd be back on in a single list like what happened when they recently took Snow off. Except the Maxx C backlash would be fricking massive unlike with Snow where everyone thought it was annoying but it wasn't anywhere near the level of Mystic Mine hate at the time.
>Except the Maxx C backlash
TCGcucks are too addicted to the game to quit.
Really says a lot about addiction when even drunk rednecks dumped Bud Light but keks will whale for any meta
modelo was better anyway.
Keep thinking that. The only reason I tolerate MD is because it's convenient. I will quit yugioh altogether if Maxx C ruins TCG and a lot of others will as well. Nobody wants this shit card legal.
what's with the obsession around TCG?
TCG tubers
>Except the Maxx C backlash would be fricking massive
It really wouldn't. There are plenty of TCG players that want Maxx C freed.
Post 5 concrete examples
Go to locals, moron.
I'd be a moron if I actually did go to locals
I accept your concession.
More than Maxx C being freed in TCG, I'd rather have a master rule change that makes his effect permanent for both players at all times and includes normal summons too, whilst removing hand size limits and deckout as a wincon.
If you're gonna balance the game around Maxx C, then remove the luck element of having to draw the card in the first place.
To be honest we could ask on surveys for MD to adopt OCG formatting for card text. MD devs are pretty receptive of feature feedbacks.
Don't the japs see OCG formatting? It's just based on the actual card itself. The TCG would have to change the foramtting first.
FREE HER
NEVER
>considering spending 1500 gems for blackwings to make earning 3000 gems from the event easier
The loaners are so fricking bad.
Play suicide and switch to team light on the last day.
Just take your 100 "YOU LOSE" screens
Just play benkei otk
I don't know how to build Blackwings
You start by BUYING BLACKWINGS.
Then you craft Nothung and Raikiri.
I FRICKING HATE CROW SO MUCH
Are there formats that don't amount to doing 30 step, pre-determined fetch combos to create an unbeatable field after a million XYZ summons?
Rush Duels.
Goat format if you like it slow
Edison format if you want something slightly faster, yet nowhere near overkill
All I need to do is fix my ratios and I'm good to go for the event.
>borrelend pass is a good board
If most people are playing the shitty loaners, yeah that is good enough.
Borrelend + synchro + I:P Unicorn with Accesscode/Borrelsword OTK potential is pretty good for event standards. Rapid Trigger package is also pretty popular among anons.
you would have to open a literal god hand to have all of that
That's like a 2-3 card combo in a deck full of extenders. You just make I:P instead of Spheres.
>no romulus
>no baby chaos dragons
>no chaos ruler revive
this is some serious coping. To even get to borrelend dragon you need to open like 3 rokket cards
Absorouter + any rokket is Borrelend + Savage minimum. If you have a way to get Absorouter into the grave, that's Borrelend + Savage mininum. Drew Tracer or quick launch? You're good to go. Obviously, you're going to draw far more gas than that.
You cannot kill this deck.
hear me out
scheiren pitch abso
Can't afford her right now. I've considered Dark World Dealings to scout the opponent's deck.
Oh, and I'll swap out Skull Meister for Chaos Hunter if Exosister and Runick are rampant.
IMO, Chaos Hunter and Dharc should be in every dark deck.
>finally get to go first
>my hand is completely bricked
kill me
Who's the best card to pop this guy?
striker
use borrelend instead
Havnis sex
kitt-kallos
When is this Aleister going to transform into a little girl?
Rilliona already did that. What will happen (if Konami bothers to continue a story people actually care about) is that Endymion will turn Selene into a Mystical Beast chimera
You know why they call him Visas right? Because the most important card you need to play his deck is your Visa card!
Are the shareholders still upset?
Any cards that special summon an xyz material like big bang?
idk, maybe
I don’t read cards I just learn from experience. I also don’t look up combo guides I feel the flow and play what I think is best and discover my own strategies.
This debate over YGO being easy/hard to learn is dumb because both sides are clearly talking past each other.
Will autists easily get a grasp on the game after they put their nose to the grindstone and use the internet to research meta decks? Yes.
Is the average joe or player of other TCGs going to get filtered after jumping into the game via Master Duel, playing the tutorials, then realizing the game is completely different and ruthless from second 1? Also Yes.
"Oh yeah it was easy for me" is great, but the average Ganker poster isn't the person that's going to see the game on the app store randomly and download it.
I agree, I think I didn't truly understand the more intricate things about YGO for at least 3 months or more. It takes time to be able to read for yourself and understand PSCT and how it applies to different card interactions in a non-rote way. But one thing I will say, the people who act like it is impossible are just quitters. You can play at a baseline level in a day or two, and an intermediate level in a couple days to a week, a little more maybe if you learn the meta, too. You do have to put in effort, the game is just complicated. Some people, especially if they come from other TCGs have this serious boomer energy where they just refuse to want to learn new things. YGO's playerbase is pretty decent at helping newbies learn, too because we all know this shit gets complicated. There's just no excuse for laziness.
I think the reason people have a boomer reflex is because every other TCG has a much easier onboarding process.
It's not only that they want to refuse to learn new things, it's that every other new thing they learn takes maybe a quarter of the time to get a grasp on and have that knowledge carry over to the game as a whole.
You play Digimon, starter decks will tell you 90% of the knowledge you need. How does memory work? How do inherents work? How do tamers and security effects work? All there from step 1.
You play Vanguard, everything can easily be grasped from like 2 games max.
YGO is the only modern TCG with a learning curve as high as it is, laziness of newbies aside
Opinion irrelevant this is the true opinon
gaylord
during the event i know there will be at least one guy playing Worms, and his name will be Jesus Christ
Wouldn't Jesus be playing pure Herald or Starry Night?
Worms are pretty cool though
no because only God Himself could make Worms work lol
You said the son, not the father.
I took the worm pill and detoxified myself
you wont get me today satan
I thought solo activation was a UR but it isn't, been messing with vaylantz again and it's a lot of fun, I crafted three lava golems and got a UR to dust from the single pull as well so cheers for that.
Took me a minute to get used to playing it again but I'll try sacking some peeps in diamond later today.
Do True Dracoslayers have a good deck? I got a bunch of the pendulum cards and Ignister Prominence.
They’re the best pend deck against tears going second
Vaylantz is way better
No it’s not
I have played both and vaylantz has space for far better boardbreakers while also being able to search them with Small World
Dracoslayer can play a full bystial package so a board never has to be broken against tears
Are they hard to play?
merrli always whiffs, needs correction
Can someone post ip masq animation webm???
which one
alt art ofc
ANAL SEX
yet another game decided by me resolving super poly
Superpoly is going to go crazy in the event, dark chads are going to be eating good
>no targets for Starving Venom
>no targets for Dragostapelia
>Garura is banned
Imean, hey, I won't stop you wanna fuse Mud Dragon.
mud dragon is water lmao
anyone have the pingu gamer picture?
Message received.
Building the Senet Switch deck.
would never play the deck but I must say, royal shinonome sexo is pretty nice
>cropped feet
You mean the secret village + pachycephalo deck?
N-No (Yes)