Mega Evolutions have been around for a decade, and despite Game Freaks attempts to memoryhole them, they are the most popular battle gimmick since GF began doing a new gimmick each gen. How did Megas manage to catch on with fans so well while all the other gimmicks like Z-Moves, Dynamax, and Terastal have pretty much no fans at all?
Megagays are as bad and obnoxious as digigays. Even voregay is more dignified than megagays
cope
>How did Megas manage to catch on with fans
Because it was the first one no one would gives a shit about megas if they released it in gen 9 instead of tera
>How?
They’re conceptually and visually cool, and they are powerful in battle while being simple to utilize. None of the other “gimmicks” come anywhere near achieving these, and that’s why they haven’t appealed to the bulk of the (mostly casual) player base.
Massive cope
>Massive cope
Explain how
Z-Moves lose coolness because of the dances
Dynamax is a boring idea, insanely overpowered, and the Gigantamax designs are arguably worse than the Mega designs
Terastal is a good idea but it’s also overpowered, has the stupid hats, and Shedinja can’t be in the game as long as there’s Tera
>and the Gigantamax designs are arguably worse than the Mega designs
The ultimate megagay cope
None of you guys still answered my question
why people would still like mega evolution if it was released in gen 9? why not?
>dummy needs it spelled out
Read, Black person. The majority of the player base (not PvPers) would like megas about as much as they did in Gen 6 if they had released in Gen 9. They satisfy the “cool factor” while being powerful and easy to use. That’s all that really matters for most people.
because they give new powerful forms to Pokémon like Beedrill (in some cases)
because everything normal people like about megas (form change, stat changes, type changes, it lasting the entire battle even if you swap them out) would still be present if they released today. for most people dyna and tera are just taking a small piece of what they liked about megas and then selling it as the cool new replacement. if you swapped megas and tera, teras in gen 6 and megas in gen 9, people would like megas more because it would feel like the attempts at gimmicks had finally built up to the perfect balance of what they had been trying to do.
you know that image that gets posted about dlc in games, where there is the mona lisa, and then an incomplete mona lisa with pieces removed to show what dlc is like? the full mona lisa is megas, but dyna and tera are pieces cut out of it trying to be sold as fully fleshed out ideas. people already know what the complete package looks like, so half assed replacements don't appeal to people.
The final and ultimate megagay cope
>c-cope
i accept your concession
Not an argument.
Since you're being so hardheaded I'll put it in a way even you can understand
>Z move: Your Pokemon get a single nuke move, but you have do stupid dance first
>Dynamax: Your pokemon becomes a parade float, but only for a few turns and its confined to a stadium
>Tera: Your Pokemon puts on a silly looking tiara and becomes sparkly.
>Megas: Your Pokémon unlocked its hidden potential becoming the strongest version of itself, more often than not becoming sleeker and cooler.
Teras are objectively the best gimmick mechanically, but you are insane if you think anything can compare to the cool factor of megas.
And for completion sake, lets throw in Regionals, which are the best "gimmick" in terms of world building, but only amount to the Pokemon getting a new relative while the OG Pokemon itself is unchanged, and honesty seems like a consolation prize for Pokemon that weren't high enough on the shilling totem poll to get megas.
Yeah as a casual Pokemon fan I could care less for the mechanics of a gimmick. I like how cool it is. And it happens to be megas are the least cringe.
>becoming sleeker and cooler.
Lol lmao even
>rocks tearing from his skin as he becomes overloaded with power
pretty goddam based is what it is
>Bro watching your bro suffering and becominf ugly is cool
Megagays are the worst
>*does a homosexual little dance* yall z-moves are the bees knee's!!!
>Dancing is a gay thing
American moment
the Z-Moves dances are "homosexual" because they involve stupid shit like making a Z shape with your arms or sticking your hands on the top of your head to mimic Pikachu ears
People are hating the last water starter for this exact reason
>le mega evolution is le animal abuse
one of the most pathetic retcons in the franchise and the fact that anit-mega gays always go back to it is sad.
>Acknowledging canon is sad because I dislike it.
The canonicity of the dex is debatable as it is especially when it l contradicts in game lore regarding mega evolution.
As much as you want to seethe about it, the 'Dex is the one absolute canon the whole of the franchise holds itself to, to the extent the anime regularly displayed traits 'mons were only descried as doing in the 'Dex. The inference is by the time x years passed between XY and SM, the pokémon research community enacted more studies to the effect, discovering these new facets of the process.
Going meta, it was a way to wean kids off the gimmicks Game Freak KNEW were being binned for Gen 8. Thus they weren't bothered with making them the super sayian arsepulls they'd been in the gen prior.
>the 'Dex is the one absolute canon the whole of the franchise holds itself to,
Anon, the dex isn't consistent across games.
>The inference is by the time x years passed between XY and SM,
Judging by Sina and Dexio almost no time has passed while ORAS and XY are basically on opposite ends.
What makes you think that they wouldn't have discovered it harms pokemon between XY and ORAS if it was canon?
Because repeating the same blurb about a creature is boring. That's why they tend to mention something new about a creature in between entries - to give a point to catching and registering it, instead of just trading an older shit in and not interacting with the 'Dex.
Because XY and ORAS happen around the same time - the ME universe is different from the GBA-era universe, thus there's no hard evidence ORAS occurs at the same chronological point as RGBY/RSE/FRLG did in the non-mega universe. They added the multiverse for precisely that reason - to be able to realistically fudge the "canon" timeline when it came to remaking shit (cf BDSP - a flat-port of DPPt, thus it occurs around the same time as GSC/HGSS again with Legends going back 100 years from that point and SV going into the modern further than SS, indicating that the events of Gen 4 were preceded and succeeded simultaneously (aaaah, time frickery. Filtering simpletons in fiction since 1785) by the events of Legends an are canon to SV's timeline (it being part of the prime timeline, after all).
>Randomly add spikes
>Good Design
Bro, I made you Mega Flygon. He's so powerful that he grows spikes, A+ designer here.
Jesus christ what an eyesore thanks god flygon didn't get a mega form or could have ended as ugly as THIS
>A+ designer here.
Given Sugimori suffered artist's lock trying to think of a mega flygon and you actually got a design out, you're unironically correct in this instance.
Which is wild when you consider just how bad 80% of the Megas are. How bad was their mega flygon when shit like M-Aerodactyl, M-Manetric, M-Sharpedo, M-Salamence, M-Latias, M-Latios, etc. got released? Surely it was at least on par with those; it's hard to imagine some worse designs.
wtf I actually like this
I must be moronic
With mega designs being some of the worst designs in Pokemon, it's really not hard to make something of equal quality.
regionals are awful because they're literally just replacements.
"Sorry your favorite is a shitmon. Here's a new competitively overtuned version with a goofy moustache that you have to use instead."
I get the sentiment, but you can’t blame the concept for Game Freak’s poor dev work. There’s no established rule that a regional form deprives the normal form of buffs, only a pattern of dumb design choices.
Regional forms are infinitely better (in terms of world building) than blindly copy-pasting pokemon into regions that are implied to be far apart.
>more often than not becoming sleeker and cooler.
Really? For every M-Banette, there's an M-Slowbro, M-Aerodactly, and M-Sharpedo
For every M-Mawhile, there's an M-Manetric, M-Latios, and M-Mewtwo
The shitty designs outweigh the good designs like 4-to-1
The gym battles with Dynamax and Tera were more hype though. The last Pokemon music kicking in made them awesome.
>more hype
The jump to more powerful hardware + experience with two prior gimmicks made some of that possible. For all of their faults, at least the lighting, camera, and music involved with Dyna and Tera delivered, especially in the story. Game Freak has a better sense for making them feel cinematic.
>Tera
>Conceptually Cool: Maybe?
>Visually Cool: Frick no
>Powerful: Yes
>Easy to use effectively: No
Use your brain.
>inb4 it is easy to use
The argument I’m making is on behalf of the average casual (the bulk of the player base), the kind of moron who still hasn’t figured out tera raids. Getting a mon with the “correct” tera type requires thought (or a Google search) and shards. It also requires knowing when to use that tera type. Mega evolution, comparatively, is much easier; it’s plug-and-play.
Bc it's cool to see coolmons become cooler. Gigantamaxing and Z moves are dumb and Terra is somewhat interesting but aesthetically they dropped the ball and it looks terrible.
>Bc it's cool to see coolmons become cooler.
Which could have been true if 90% of the mega forms didn't looked like utter garbage
The potential is still cooler and the idea is inherently cooler than the other gimmicks. Like regardless of execution, it can't be argued against that conceptually Megas are the most interesting/coolest.
You sound like a nine year old
not a samegay
also a 9-year-old would like the dances
try again
Gigantamaxing is just mega-evolution but with kaiju.
This
Maybe but they're still better than all the others
>How did Megas manage to catch on with fans so well while all the other gimmicks like Z-Moves, Dynamax, and Terastal have pretty much no fans at all?
copium around everyone's personal favorite getting a mega that saves them from being a shitmon, combined with a few decent designs for things like Banette and Mawile that should've just been evolutions.
I think people would’ve liked Z-Moves more if they stuck around and didn’t have the stupid dances or overly long cutscenes
No, people hated Z moves because they were effectively pointless.
well that’s like your opinion man
and it doesn’t even make sense
explain how they’re pointless
Is it because they replaced the gems from Gen 5?
Z moves are functionally just a bunch of largely identical moves with different cutscenes, with the merch potential just being some fricking plastic diamonds that also mostly look the same. There's little there to like and nothing to expand on.
The dances and cutscenes were the only memorable things about them
Because they're basically new evolutions, just with a gameplay-only twist of devolving back after the battle. New evolutions have always been cool.
>Visual pollution the gimmick
It's garbage
>Ugly redesigns
>Cut potential evolutions
>KANTOOO shilling
>Random spikes everywhere
>Created a competitive shithole
Explain to me again how this is supposed to be the "Coolest" gimmick without sounding like a toddler
>tiktok dance
>we made the model bigger
>dumb hats
The other gimmicks are just that lame.
>NOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST GIVE MEGAS TO RECOGNIZABLE POPULAR POKEMON YOU HAVE TO GIVE THEM TO MY LITERAL WHO UNOVA POKEMON INSTEAD
>T.
>Unova out of nowhere
essentially mindbroken besides audino is a literal who unova pokemon and still got one your meme makez zero sense
>they are the most popular battle gimmick
Only among campaignshitters who barely play the games and think they know what they're talking about from staring at fanfic tier lists. For people who actually play PvP they're the worst fricking gimmick in the series outside of maybe gems.
>40 year old balding cheater seethes at people who don't take competitive rock paper scissors seriously
lmao compgays continue to be embarrassing losers
>Kanto starters getting mega forms with charizard getting two of them
>Kanto starters getting gigantamax forms with charizard getting them before the galar starters
>Charizard as the first special tera raid in SV
>Many charizards slapped for no reason in the anime
>"it's totally not shilling goys!!"
Yes, turns out they'd rather give attention to the cool as frick flying fire breathing dragon or the badass turtle kaiju with tank cannons instead of obese neckbeard pig or paraplegic fat samurai. Shocking, I know.
>Samurott is somehow fat and paraplegic
>to the cool as frick flying fire breathing dragon or the badass turtle kaiju
You're talking about salamence and carracosta right? because i'd find it hard for a winged lizard shaped like a pear and an obese turtle shaped like a beach ball to be "cool"
…Anon are you moronic?
He’s talking about Charizard and Blastoise. I hope you’re pretending for your sake anon.
Only a literal toddler would find Salashit, let alone Diarrheacosta, cool.
Yeah because a kid would know about devilman.
>they're automatically bad designs because they're not the ones I grew up with
>Starters then: ugly fat on fire and a homosexual nobody likes
>Starters now: ugly fat on fire and a homosexual nobody likes
What changed besides adding skeledirge?
Mega evolution but released in gen 9:
>Why only few pokemon can use it? at least everyone can use tera what a downgrade
>Why they just add random spikes? at least gigantamax forms have a logic what a downgrade
>Why i have to waste an item slot now? what a downgrade
>God at least with tera you don't know which pokemon will use it now i see the same pokemon over and over again what a downgrade
>Why did charizard got two of them but the others one? gigantamax was more fair what a downgrade
The harsh truth megagays can't admit
>defending G-Max forms
Imagine taking a stance that literally no one would defend just to make it look like you have valid points. G-Max forms are cooler than the generic D-Max, yes. But they suffer from all of the same mechanical problems on top of being slightly worse in battle due to poor G-Max attack balancing. It’s that last point that really dooms their legacy.
It's fitting that the "smart" side has several errors in it.
Because every other battle gimmick has been 100% disposable. SwSh set the precedent for features to be replaced in the new metagame. But Megas had lots of exposure and merch and anime specials for like 6+ years even after XY was over. It’s the only one that anyone cared about supporting.
>lapras has been my favorite pokemon since gen 1
>finally got attention with it's gigantamax form, even though i wasn't a huge fan i still was going to get merch of it
>never got anything, not even one of those cheap finger puppets
i'm still seething
>SwSh set the precedent for features to be replaced in the new metagame.
SM did that
megas were still in sm though
>zoomers will look at this and wonder why gen 1 starters are still the most popular
Samurott is cool
It should get a new signature move thats a Water Double Iron Bash clone. Missed potential
I know this is a moronic troll because it puts skeledirge, one of the all time best starters, alongside the Gay Duck.
Literally unironically kill yousrself
the clown is garbage, balloongay
Skeledirge is literally one of the worst starters ever, along with the duck, inceleon, rillashit, embore and the fat otter.
It validates those playground rumors of next tier evolutions and pokegods, as well as being the first mainline game in 3D and brought back the obvious Kanto favorites after being absent for a long time.
+ Very good designs.
+ Revive popular Pokémon such as Charizard, Gardevoir, Pidgeot, Aggron, Absol, etc. in the competitive arena.
+ Centralizing but not insanely broken like Dyna, except for Kangaskhan and Blaziken.
>Very good designs
i stopped reading there
>Very good designs
Opinion invalidated
Because the other three gimmicks are the same gimmicks with fewer new designs. Why would someone prefer the same thing with less content?
Tbh this describes every game comprehensively after Kalos
Because the other gimmicks sucked and megas didn't. If they had just stuck with them, they'd still be rolling them out and making mons more viable.
moronic abominations worship gamefreak's creation that their downie brains couldnt even distantly imagine, then seethe over gamefreak and blame gamefreak
El pokedownsyndromo seethes over x and y for being new games and vomits pure AIDS over going back to 2d, then claims megaevolution should come back when during its era they were seething monkeypox of moronation tears about autismo spastic 2D sprites and el battle frontiér
Megaevolution is just the latest tool of the Pokemoron to claim things should go back into their mental moronation because new things generate unprocessable ampunts of information into their down syndrome systems
Simple, burst mode mechanics are always well received by normies in all franchises
The idea of you favorite going plus ultra is incredibly appealing to both kids and manchildren, frick it even an adult can enjoy it through nostalgia goggles wich they gave plenty in gen6
Mechanically they were fun and fresh, only people that played doubles seriously felt how cancerous it could be wich was far from the normies experience that makes 95%+ of sales shielding them from negative feedback, add in more in Oras and people that don't care about post-game stuff that much had another decent experience while hardcore fans kept getting bitter with balance, close with a neat ribbon in SM and you get people that really loved Megas and only disliked the fact that there weren't new ones
TLDR everyone loved it and those that didn't were considered bitter buttholes to this day
Because they look cool and they're fun to use. Why is this so hard for VGCgays to understand?
I think we can all agree that gimmicks were a mistake and we all would've been happier without them.
I dont mind megas, but it should have been kept for weaker pokemon that needed the boost instead of stuff like legendaries
By not being a gimmick.
>Mega Evos
Visually interesting in-battle evolution that takes some bottom tier pokemon and makes them fun to use again.
>Z-Moves
Pointless one-time nuke per battle. You can get the same effectiveness from a critical hit.
>Dynamax
hehe, pokemon get big
>Terastal
Neat mechanic in terms of the type changing, but putting a ring pop on pokemon's heads to represent it was cheap and goofy-looking.
They have different forms, so it's like they're new Pokemon. Dynamax and Tera are much more balanced in competitive, but not nearly as many people care about that.
nobody cares mega transvolution if fact nobody gives a shit these moronic gimiicks
>How did Megas manage to catch on with fans so well while all the other gimmicks like Z-Moves, Dynamax, and Terastal have pretty much no fans at all?
I think the only reason why is because we didn't know it would be temporary; outside of Z-Moves, which is the worst of the 4.
Hard to get invested in new gimmicks when they're going away next game.
Megas appeal to the school shooter mentality, letting kids think if only their bro had +70 Atk, +30 Spd and Huge Power they'd really make Billy and Mr. Thompson pay.
Megas had a lot of problems, but calling it “school shooter mentality” is fricking stupid. The idea tha “weak things should be stronger because weakness is disgraceful and strength protects you from get fricked with” is universal
>replying to bait
Shouldve been an optional evolution upon reaching level 100, maxing its EVs and any other requirements relative to the region
Disagree. One of the positives of a temporary evolution is that you still have the old design (that you probably like) outside of battle. After Game Freak botched Gen 4’s cross-gen evos, a lot of people were happy to have something in the middle.
>inb4 my bro sucks without an ugly mega form
Not really the fault of mega evolution, though. Game Freak is simply moronic at balancing. Mon like Beedrill should receive buffs making them at least decent on their own, but the devs don’t have interest in improving that stuff.
it is funny seeing other parts of the franchise not made by gamefreak constantly use megas while game freak tries to ignore them outside of a reference here or there.
After playing XY again I realize megas was a huge mistake and so was 3D
Some of them upset me really bad. Like just give me a permanent pinsir evo please instead of this gay crap
Alternatively, just make Pinsir good. There’s also no established rule that a mega evolution excludes a mon from receiving an evolution (that you may also hate). Complaints like yours are misguided. Game Freak has needed to rebalance mon as early as Gen 2, and the problem has only gotten worse with power creep and mechanical changes. It’s baffling that they refuse to address this issue.
Megas and Z-moves are great. I don't see why so many people hate Z moves.
Dynamax is garbage, it's lazily designed garbage and it's obviously not playtested.
Terastallization is cool in concept but it breaks the metagame completely especially Regieleki and Calyrex.
Dynamax is more fun and conceptually interesting than Z-Moves
>Dynamax is more fun and conceptually interesting
>my mon became the big chungus for 3 turns
dynamax is neither fun nor interesting
Dynamax is the objective worst