WotC's banning of these cards simply shows that they do not want MTG to be a game of skill where a better player can easily beat players with lower skill levels. You will never find a higher level skill game of MTG than one that allows Probe and Misstep as a 4x. The game truly did peak in skill level with the New Phyxeria standard format. It was the highest ascended form of Wizard Poker we have ever seen.
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>mental misstep
correct
>gitaxian probe
frick no
>gitaxian probe, bad
elaborate anon
I mean I feel like I'm going to just have to describe what the card does and if you don't agree that that's moronic then we just fundamentally disagree.
>cost: phi blue mana
Any deck can play this card as long as they have at least 3 life (or some effect that prevents them from dying at 0 life). So basically, costs no mana.
>Draw a card.
It replaces itself, so while most cards have a mana cost and a card cost (e.g., black lotus costs 0 (-3) mana but costs 1 card from your hand; ancestral recall costs 1 mana but costs -2 cards from your hand. Lightning bolt costs 1 mana and 1 card). So basically, costs no cards.
>Look at your opponents hand
Not knowing what is in your opponents hand is a fundamental part of MTG. Should I alpha strike? Should I storm off? Should I tap out for my big finisher? All things that normally require a weighing of different factors. To gain information about your opponents hands you normally need to pay mana (e.g. peek) or cards (e.g. telepathy). Having to expend either leaves you with fewer resources (in the case of peek, less mana for the turn and temporary information or in the case of telepathy, down a whole card).
>conclusion
Basically, there is no cost to playing this card in your deck. It costs no mana, it replaces itself, and it's good at any point in the game as long as you have the life to play it. It destroys a core element of risk and skill in the game for no cost. It's fricking LAME.
>I mental misstep your gitaxian probe
now we're both down two life and a card
you'd mulligan a 4x MM opening hand, you can't win with it
Yeah mental misstep is a fine card and free counter spells are based.
>free counter spells are based.
trips of truth
Small brain take.
>You will never find a higher level skill game of MTG than one that allows Probe and Misstep as a 4x.
Can you elaborate on this? I think it would add homogeny to any format ever if they were both legal at four. Congrats, every archetype ever now runs four Misstep in the main and at worst the side. Then I'd wager two-thirds or more would run Probe as well. If my merited perception of this is correct, how would this make any format more wrinklebrain?
He's mad he doesn't get to run counters as mono-green. Ignore him.
>Turn 1, you're playing second
>Opponent drops a non-blue land and hits you with probe
Do you counter with mental misstep if you have it in your hard? Will they counter your mental misstep with their own mental misstep? That would be an awful start to the game. Do you just let the probe resolve knowing they have a 44.5% chance of holding a misstep in a 4x deck?
That is the essence and highest level of wizard poker anon, information warfare and dealing with information asymmetry to beat lower skilled opponents. U(X) control has always been the best and most successful deck for that reason at the highest levels of play. Zoomers and children cannot into this level of sophisticated mindgame play so they had to remove it as a playstyle.
>44.5% change of holding a misstep in a 4x deck
Should be closer to 12% chance, which is way lower
>That is the essence and highest level of wizard poker anon
I think that actually goes to cedh. While I can't directly refute your claims, I can wax on about how cedh has stack interaction unseen in any other format. Due to the player count being four and the decks being singleton, the variables are much higher as well for everything.
I play Legacy a few times a month and Vintage every now and then. Tempted to have everyone jam 4 Probe 4 Misstep in everything and playtest for a bit to see what happens.
>Should be closer to 12% chance, which is way lower
its 36.5% if you draw 8 card
>1/60 chance
>1/59 chance
>1/58 chance
>1/57 chance
>1/56 chance
>1/55 chance
>1/54 chance
> then 1/53 chance for on the play
Kinda moronic and can't math, but caveman brain says doesn't look like what you say it is.
>when he does the math as a singleton instead of a 4x.....
I've seen a lot of moronic bait but this is high on the list as far as level of moronation goes
it's actually a little impressive
for the record, mono-red laughs at both of these spells in any format where picrel exists
>I pay 2 life to cast Mental Misstep, targeting your Red Elemental Blast
yes, that is wizard poker anon
when tapped-out no longer means you're defenseless, the game is on another level
Force of Will and Daze exist in the good formats to fill that role. And plenty of other free spells. But not every deck can play these things. Mental Misstep being able to counter itself makes it one of the worst cards to allow 4of because nearly every deck will be on 4 of them. It's not interesting, 2 life is not a real cost like Daze or FoW, and therefore there isn't nearly as much mind wizard gameplay.
In addition, Probe is the antithesis to mind wizard gameplay. To know what your opponent has without seeing their hand is to be at the peak of Magic. Probe allows anyone, and it really is anyone, to have this knowledge. It removes the ability to bluff by leaving untapped blue mana. It removes the chance for the opponent to not go for it even though you have no way to stop them. Probe reveals all, and removes any interesting decision making regarding interaction, all without requiring any skill at all from the caster.
Wizard poker exists. It's current U/x delver v U/x delver. Probe and misstep are rightfully banned from everything.
>probe counters misstep
>misstep counters probe
what a shame you cannot appreciate that they perfectly balance each other
in what motherfricking universe is Red Blast effective against Misstep and Probe when both of the blue spells are free and Misstep LITERALLY COUNTERS RED BLAST. FOR FREE.
are you fricking trolling
>counter REB with MM using life
congratulations, you just converted that REB into a burst lightning and discarded a card to do it. are ya winning anon?
>cast any random blue spell, I dunno, Tinker
>my opponent attempts to Blast it
> I Misstep their Blast
Yes. I am winning, you absolute ignoramus
>nice play anon, sorry i have to do this
>mental misstep in response to your mental misstep
if you've never done it in person to win a FNM with everyone watching and your opponent getting table flipping mad, you just can't understand how funny it really is to win at legitimate wizard poker
Sounds like you care more about having an anime protagonist moment instead of a skill-intensive game.
I played Cardfight Vanguard: Overdress for a while and it feels like the desires you have.
Each player gets a 1-of card that "attack trigger, reveal top of library" and it's that card, it adds one hundred million damage to your creature plus some other ability. Shit is fricking hilarious and amazing. It's kind of like the PKMN tcg though, you can only take it so seriously before chance takes over.
I don't think mtg needs that, but I'm still interested in playing around with 4 probe 4 misstep in decks to see what happens.
>Sounds like you care more about having an anime protagonist moment instead of a skill-intensive game.
those are the same thing
misstep is fricked. here's my attempt to make a fixed version of it and nix together as an answer to evoke and other free spells
>cost: P/U
>text: counter target spell with converted mana cost 2 or greater if no mana was spent to cast that spell.
Can't wait to play them in my mono G EDH decks when hybrid mana becomes accepted
>every single deck runs 4x misstep
>whoever has more in their opening hand wins
such skill much wow
I mental misstep my mental misstep
Now this is traditional gaming.
plot twist: he's now at zero life with two MMs on the stack