>Microsoft came crawling back
>EA came crawling back
>Ubisoft came crawling back
>Square Enix came crawling back
>Activision came crawling back
>Blizzard came crawling back
>convinced Sony to put their games on PC
>now direct competitor is hit with layoffs
Is he becoming too powerful?
lol
Isn't Tencent mostly just known for gacha shit mobile games that a billion of their chink players whale on?
Tencet has a majority stake in A LOT of gaming companies. They even own EPIC GAMES, RIOT, Acti/blizzard just to name a few.
tencent doesn't own epic or acti blizz
Ten cents owns like 30% of epic, actually.
which isn't enough for any kind of control. they're just raking in cash
>which isn't enough for any kind of control.
having a singular investor owning 30% of a publicly funded company hasn't got a say in how the company's run? i think you need a brief on capitalism.
they own minority shares in a lot of western companies, though they do own a few outright
And Larian. Whom they are botting for reviews atm to push Baldur's Gay 3, a half finished, broken game with nothing to offer other than gay sex.
SIRRRRS GOOD MORNING DO NOT OF REDEEMING BALDURAN
good morning sirs
moron of the day right here.
>homie DEY ALL CHINESE
Tencent is just a front for the PRC, they have limitless money.
For now until they decide to go off again. Xi spent the last few years buckbreaking them because they kept trying to cut the short leash they were already on.
Valve doesn't make games anymore, so I don't know why they're even in this list.
https://store.steampowered.com/developer/valve/#browse
Even if you exclude Steam, they have CS and Dota two of the biggest multiplayer and esport games.
Both are free games.
even if cs is free it is the highest earning game on steam due to micro transactions
Microtrans fully propped up by literal gambling sites using lootbox drops as currency, lootboxes that by themselves are already gambling.
Yes, valve managed not only to turn vidya into a "competitive esport" which in turn ended up spreading "meta mentality" and "balance" cancer all over gaming and even single player games, but also managed to turn esports into an unregulated casino, with assets stolen off unpaid crowdsourced labor, all because it's profitable to them.
They don't make games. Dota 2 is 10 years old and cs2 is an update for csgo with less content.
All they do is trickle out updates for their old shit.
yeah like APPLE and GOOGLE make games you fricking moron
>comparing the two companies that actually have a monopoly of selling apps
moron.
Google has as much of a monopoly on selling apps as Microsoft does appletard
>by revenue
So that means every company not named Nintendo, Activision, EA, and Valve that’s on this list is getting credit for their non-video game related revenue.
>getting credit for their non-video game related revenue.
Nope, keep coping though
Then give me the source for the “revenue” the chart is counting.
You can just google it moron. Sony made 88 billion in 2021, 24.5 of that was their games division just like the chart says.
So no source
Got it
>Google Apple and Microsoft have lower revenue than Sony if we include every aspect of their business
No
regardless, "revenue" is not "profit"
Now do gross profit / earning.
>what matters more is some israelite making a profit instead of general revenue which shows what average person spends money on
so its important to obfuscate this data for some reason? Why else would you jump on anon for asking about more data?
How is that obfuscating data, you are asking for unrelated shit that doesnt matter
why yes. whats the point of 80 billion in revenue if you spent 90 billion to get there?
I want to know methodology person creating this chart used to determine valve's revenue
I call bullshit
MONOPOLY !!!
Vavle is the only privately owned company on that list, everything else is public, the fact they even compare to publically traded companies as a fierce competitor is hilarious.
Frick shareholders, they've ruined gaming forever.
Valve ruined gaming despite being a private company. They went downhill after switching their focus on hats for TF2 followed by the same crap for CSGO and Dota 2. They are the greediest bastards in the industry... by FAR.
>poured millions of dollars into making linux gaming happen
>this doesn't matter because they started making cosmetics for their games
They poured millions of dollars in it because they knew they would be using it for the Deck.
valve has been pushing linux for over a decade now, it has nothing to do with the deck
Yeah because they are desperate to not pay MS the directx money.
Microsoft doesn't license directx, it was made to kill gaming on other operating systems the same way media foundation was m, or ActiveX for browsers, or ooxml for office suits
Lol, opengl existed for decades and only foss autism made it outdated
And directx existed to leverage Microsoft's marketshare to bury it, if there was nothing to provide cross platform support there would be nothing to kill, you dingus. And OpenGL was ahead of the curve up until directx came out, that didn't stop plenty of games from using dx7 and down or ddraw because of Microsoft's backing
Up until directx 8 came out*
what happened during dx8 to make it better?
They worked with Nvidia for the Xbox which they used to design the new api
>game companies
Now do an annual revenue over number of games chart.
KNEEL
Steam still loses. Your point?
>privately owned company with like 400 employees
>vs megacorps
This is supposed to make Valve look bad?
Is your argument supposed to make them look good?
Yes
It just makes them seem more irrelevant, good job
>megacorps bending the knee to "irrelevant" company
oh no no no no
and that's a good thing
Yeah wokeness is ok when white guys do it
yes
ESG ruined everything.
ESG has no effect on Valve since they're not a publicly traded company. This is the wider cultural influence at play.
>game update makes graphics more realistic
damn
>White male black female
I dont mind it. I even welcome it.
Violent crime in Philadelphia is extremely black and extremely male, he should try it one day.
No wonder valve has been stuck stagnant doing nothing for over a decade.
Even their "innovation" that was the steam store was just always online DRM because they were greedy homosexuals only after money.
>doing nothing
I really enjoyed playing on their nothing while on a 14 hour flight last week.
No... way...
>Hey Gabe how about some more minorities?
>No thanks, go away
>o-okay...
What delusional world do you live in? Valve has loved diversity and pushed it heavily for it for all their games going back to Half-Life 2. When was the last time they made a game with a white protagonist?
Anon... we're talking about the employees.
>>Hey Gabe how about some more minorities?
>>No thanks, go away
This is not a thing. This is just delusional wishful thinking that Gabe is "based" when he's given every indication that he's anything but.
you lying israelites love to run your mouth about some schizophrenic patterns, but when you look at valve workers theyre 90% white, thats all i need to know
Valve though Campo Santo was worth buying after they made just one boring pretentious lefty frick game that sucked. That's all that needs to be said about Valve.
>this is from a company that thinks only 10,000 people in the entire world qualify to be hired there, by the way
>start diversity committee
>see who joins
>wait a few months
>get rid of everyone who joined
truly a devious trap gaben
>starts useless group
>useless people join
>useless people leave
Bravo Gaben
>Tencent
112,771 employees (2021)
>Sony
113,000 employees (2023)
>Google
139,995 employees (2021)
>Microsoft
221,000 employees (2023)
>Apple
164,000 employees (2022)
>Nintendo
7,317 employees (2023)
>NetEase
18,129 employees (2017)
>ActiBlizz
17,000 employees (2023)
>EA
12,900 employees (2022)
>Valve
360 employees (2016)
Tencent, Sony, Microsoft, and Apple should be fricking embarrassed that Nintendo makes that much money.
making iconic mascots is difficult
Not for lack of trying.
Snoy had plenty of iconic mascots and they wasted all of them
M$ killed master chief and i expect them to make minecraft steve the mascot of xbox in like 3 years
>Snoy had plenty of iconic mascots and they wasted all of them
Ricky Bobby is as iconic as he is relevant.
RIIIIIIP Kaz Hirai ;_;
Sony's most recognizable mascot is probably as recognizable as a C tier Nintendo mascot, like Kirby or Samus.
>Sony's most recognizable mascot is probably as recognizable as a C tier Nintendo mascot
Indeed
Valve is likely the most profitable company per employee in the entire world.
By that logic a single millionaire who is his own boss is the most profitable company per employee
>$7 billion per year, 360 employees
>roughly $20 million per employee
How many single entrepreneurs are there that make $20 million in revenue every year without hiring anyone?
Do you honestly believe each employee is getting 20 million a year?
Of course not, but that has absolutely nothing to do with the argument.
I mean your argument is completely nonsensical
holy shit even i can tell you're an idiot.
nice try samegay
What the frick I thought EA was way bigger employee-wise. How the frick is actiblizz bigger yet they behave like a smaller company?
>20,000 (2023)
what the frick is going on at ubisoft seriously
Now show the spending.
but Ganker told me that valve was a monopoly
how do we stop the chinese menace?
Why this chart smells like they added the Playstation Plus and Xbox Live subscriptions in revenues? Which is pretty much what's making Sony money
THE REAL POWER OF GACHAS
Now I know 100% that anyone that calls valve a monopoly is one of these companies and their shills.
They are only a monopoly in the PC store space. Other companies have more branches.
Also
>IT IS ONLY 7 BILLION
Pls, one of the richest companies on Earth.
>What is GoG
>What is Epic
>What is Battle.Net
>What is humble
>What is Itch.io
Steam is no monopoly, merely the biggest player there
the only one that comes even close to steam is ebin and even then not really
it really shows how delusional steamgoys are to still think they are the small underdog
wake up anon, gabe is milking the pc gaming industry for no effort and preventing any innovation with it's functional monopoly
jewvidia may have a functional monopoly on AI homosexualry but at least they are actually investing that money on development
Nobody said Steam is an "underdog". They're clearly the biggest player on the field. But they are not the only one player, and they're not deploying any monopolistic tactics (unlike Epic, who buys exclusivity), so they're not a monopoly. They're a market leader.
>and they're not deploying any monopolistic tactics
they literally are anon
List them.
Its really easy to spot epicshills nowadays.
>muh steam is monopoly
boooring! And whenever we asked you to list steam monopolistic behaviors you homosexuals couldn't come up with anything.
Get a new talking points please.
Gotta love the steamgoys still defending the fragile multimillion dollar company.
And you just know it's for free too because valve is too lazy to actually hire shills.
Imagine defending always online DRM for free.
>can't even make a simple list
So you have no argument. Got it.
I know right? Crazy how Epic shills claim that Valve is doing monopolistic shit, but can't even make a short list of things Valve has done wrong that others haven't done much worse.
>but can't even make a short list of things Valve has done wrong that others haven't done much worse
Why is it every time I hear of a gambling scam that targets children it involves a Valve game?
you know what's fricked up? even genshit asks for payment information and confirmation before spending any big amount of money, and gacha in general gets always demonized by westoids for being extremely predatory
valve is somehow even worse but gets a free pass
Fortnite is a Valve game?
did you morons just pretend the wall of text above your posts doesn't exist?
why are steamgoys like this?
They always use pilpul.
Posts that you didn't make. I'm asking for YOUR argument.
>steamgoy gets outed and proven wrong
>starts running away like a b***h
pottery
Keep sucking off Valve for the rest of your life.
How does valve "prevent innovation"? If anything steam is the only storefront with innovations like workshop and steam input while EGS didn't even have a fricking cart for their store until like a year ago.
Your stupid idiot chart count apple as game company. Really ? Black person.
>comparing valve to fricking TENCENT and GOOGLE
this just makes valve look better
>im losing so this makes me look better lol
Cope
Valve has the best position that gamedev company could possibly have in the industry: they're fairly big but not too big to attract attention of corporate shmugs and other scum with practices that plague all other big companies.
>other scum with practices that plague all other big companies.
They popularized lootboxes, freeium, battlepasses, games as a service
have a nice day steam drone, Valve is a cancer
So how come none of those companies still sell exclusively on their own storefronts?
Apple produces ZERO games
Based. Thanks for showing they aren't a monopoly
Monopoly in an irrelevant market (PC)
>implying that mobile games are actually the games the average gamer looks forward to playing
lmao moron
>all these replies with steamdrones moving the goalposts
KEK
good riddance, i hope steam fricking dies after they became snoy 2.0
cope
Reminder 100% of steam's money is made by stealing money from other better devs, because they are making steam machines and the Steam Deck at a fricking deficit and pissing away money.
They don't even provide a viable engine unlike unreal or what unity used to be.
They get money for making a service people actually want, it's not hard to understand
That is also the reason why Apple is there. Their store is a service for mobile games.
>Implying anyone would want always online DRM.
Good goy, keep shilling garbage that makes your overlords money.
Steam DRM isn't always online moron
the only reason it isn't is because they are too moronic and talentless to force it
Or they made it that way on purpose
Just sell your game yourself, show steam who's boss.
or you could just do it through stores far less israeli and actually give you dev support
which stores ?
Bro your ebin games?
Yeah, do that.
Name (1).
Revenue is not profit.
profit doesn't matter unless its going into your pockets
Thing is that the profit is going directly into their pockets, moron. Valve is a private company, not a public one.
1.) Valve is a privately held company so they can decide however they want to whack up profit among themselves and their partners.
2.) Even if they were publicly traded, it's called dividends, you dunce.
>Tencent and NetEase is jus the chink goverment
>Sony, Google, Apple and Microsoft are trillion dollar companies
>Nintendo pretty much rebuild the industry after the great crash
why are you shocked they have bigger revenue than valve?
>why are you shocked they have bigger revenue than valve?
You'd be surprised to see how delusional valve cultists are
And mind you that's despite valve being a parasite leeching off the entire PC gaming industry for over a decade now while producing almost nothing themselves.
>valve is a parasite
>literally was the only reason why the PC gaming market even exists today
>if i keep saying the lie then people will eventually come to believe it
>it was a lie that the pc market was dying and were going on their way to irrelevancy compared to the console market at the time
...uh, sure bro. whatever you say
The PC gaming market was actually much healthier before steam started leeching off it.
Remember expansions that were so big they were sequels in the same engine?
Remember when fans made content for fun and not to join the monetization treadmill?
Remember when the worst DRM you could end up with was disk DRM that wanted the disk to be in your tray at all times but was easily patchable anyway?
Remember when devs let fans fully mod their games and run wild with the engine at no cost?
Remember when games weren't about an endless PvP hamster wheel and were actually fun?
Remember when games weren't killing themselves trying to be the next big esport?
Remember when games with multiplayer had an unmonetized map editor?
Remember when fans used these map editors to let their creativity run wild and create entire gaming genres out of their hard work?
All dead, thanks to valve.
He doesn't remember any of that because he read a few articles about how PC gaming is dying and saw a bunch of astroturfing about how Valve is its savior.
>all those other companies publicly traded and funded by ESG
>valve isn't and can still rank on the charts
holy fricking based, imagine how much more those other companies would be worth if they made good services and didn't treat their playerbases like shit.
>doesn't get ESG
>still add woke shit to their games
They do it for free! See
I'm not very knowledgeable about economy, but how did they get these numbers for Valve? They're a private company, is this just "educated guesses"?
It's just real money, meanwhile all the other companies are inflated as shit because of COVID-19 numbers and now are starting to lay off people and will be resizing in this year and next year.
Well the first one is literally funded by their government to take over the Industry.
How is Apple making this much money on gaming? Is it mobile games?
Yes and the very same thing that Tim Sweeney b***hing about, 30% cut.
holy shit only 7 dollars it's fricking over bros
I don't know if I should be ashamed I laughed at these posts
I love how half of everyone immediately saw this as suspicious.
I didnt know that Apple makes games
all into his pocket btw
For me it's Google games.
You joke but the entire gacha industry is done through google and apple in the westoid market.
And not only the westoid market is like 10% or less of the total revenue for those gacha, both google and apple take much less than what steam does, so the numbers for the gacha industry are MUCH bigger than how they look.
>haven't made a game in ages
>still over seven billion in revenue
Dear Lord
>all the replies that forgot iPhone app store is still a thing
loul
Valve is privately owned, do they even disclose numbers?
no lol
the $7 billion figure is a complete asspull from bloomberg IIRC
>makes almost no games for a decade
>can still compete with megacorps who consider its store a necessity
lel
This is a bit "fake" Apple is the biggest, they can even buy Disney.
that's revenue, not gross profit
>this is the closest thing left to console wars
What a sad state to be in. That after being freed from this bullshit of corporate boot licking, that you still need a master over you and forcing you to be loyal too.
>console wars
more mutual assured destruction.
>government contractor for the gays vs company for the gays.
who will out gay them first.
valve is a private company, nobody but them knows there revenue
They operate in the EU meaning their revenue is public even if they are a private company. Get fricked burger.
What is netease is why is it on this list? Valve even coming close to these names is honestly surprising.
I'l be honest, is better than become publicly traded, you don't need some much money if the result is that you are not anymore yourself
All those 'massive' and 'gigantic' game companies and they only earn 33 bucks tops? That's how much i get in an hour. Lol, lmao even.
Don't burst the Ganker bubble
>tencent timmy can't stop winning
gaben is such a poorgay lmao
Valve/Steam owned 100% by Gabe and his employees. Private Company, can't be bought or sold.
How about this, if you try and make your own 'launcher' try and copy at least HALF the features Steam has.
Take a look at Epic Games, they don't even allow user reviews, that's why companies use it. It requires registering on some 3rd party obscure site just to leave a review and there is no purchase proof, or link to username.
Also take a look at Battle Net launcher, they don't allow reviews; adds games to steam and they are instantly the worst rated steam game of all time. (until d4 is added next week).
>valve, who supposedly has a massive monopoly on pc gaming, isn't gauging and fricking everyone in the ass for massive profit like the rest of the industry
That's why I like them.
One of them is not like the other and its not because of revenue.
The moment ~~*they*~~ banned AI content i lost all my respect for Valve. I will support Epic Games without a second though. Atleast they arent luddites
This
They didn't ban it. They only want you to show proof you own the content that you feed your AI.
And what you do with AI ? Sloppy content ?
AIBlack person only cares about money
Like clockwork.
>NOOOO NOT THE HECKIN SHAREHOLDER VALURINOS!!!!!!!
lmao
>NOOOOO GABE THE FAT israelite DESERVES ALL THE MONEY!!!!
lmao
Obviously the workers do, but at least it's not a public company where 90% of the revenue goes toward homosexuals who literally do zero work at all.
>90% of the revenue goes toward homosexuals who literally do zero work at all.
Thats literally Valve employees, laziest developers out there
>Respond to literal facts with hyperbole.
Shareholders literally do not work though. Making a single CS skin is more work than a shareholder will ever do for a company.
>Making a single CS skin is more work
Valve employees dont even do that, most skins are made by the community and Valve takes them and sells them
Are you incapable of receiving the point that I'm making? Surely no one is this stupid.
Your point is moronic so I don't care
>2021
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>guiz in 2 years valve suddenly became market leader trust me!!!!
>spend a 100 trillion dollars on a game
>top of this moronic asa list because it's revenue, not a real metric of success, revenue is money out money in
Based Tencent dabbing on the world.
I kneel, China-sama.
>not woke
>not taking larry's ESG bux
>raking in the most money
ngl that's kinda based
How is everyone else in this industry such greedy morons they can't even come close to competing in 20 years?
Because it takes time unironically
It also helps to have standard features from the get go.
Then you just gotta grind it out, expect to not make it and over the years asd things that make it better than others.
There is a reason Valve went down the social platform route more and more over the years, they know they need to be the all in one application as it keeps people in their ecosystem to ensure money will go into their pocket.
The ones trying to compete are corporate people. The ones having actual ideas or insight are just mere customers wanting something better than steam.
Because valve was greedy first so all their bullshit gets forgiven by children who use steam as their personality
Their bullshit gets forgiven because steamgoys enjoy buying games at a 99% discount.
I genuinely don't understand why people don't just pirate at that point, it's not like you're helping the devs in any way.
> Valve
Private
> Everyone else
Public
This is why they all fail.
The fact they are private alone means they don't have financial israeliteery to inflate their market share. Had Gaben go public today Valve valuation would be a whole lot more.
Pretty much.
Being publicly traded means you're beholden to the whims of greedy investors who only seek to use the company as yet another vehicle to make the line go up.
Then in the name of profit, the gradual enshittification sets in.
Stop being moronic anon
Private companies are still beholden to whoever their shareholders are and newsflash, Valve isn't owned %100 by Gaben. So he actually has to make decisions that benefit his other shareholders or they could set up a move to dismiss him as ceo.
Private comapanies work the same as publicly traded ones for 95% of cases and EPIC and Valve are a part of that.
The only ceo Gaben have to answer to is his brain, dick and his tummy.
I'm pretty sure Gaben owns at least 70% since the other known major shareholder Mike Harrington left the company and sold his shares to him and the company at its inception was mostly funded on their shared wealth.
I like how confidently wrong you are.
Valve does not trade their stock publicly homosexual.
Gabe own most of it while the rest is owned by Valve employees.
Just because you are private doesn't mean you can't/won't have shareholders anon.
It is how companies can start by asking for an investment which gets a share of the company.
Going public is a way of either raising more capitial and/raising the value of the company
Are there any other industries that have this situation? I genuinely can't think of any other cases where a market leader exists not because they excel or strangle the market or get subsidized, but just because every competitor is in a race to shoot themselves in the foot as many times as possible. It's bizarre.
It happens in other secots but because you keep your scope on the video games sector you don't hear about it much. I am not sure to the degree that it happens bit it does.
So many companies just flounder around until they hit their lucky break while doing the bare minimum or just above that, all in the name of greater profits
It really just seems like Steam's competitors do not give a flying frick about the user experience of their product. They only care about how it can make them money.
The issue is that's short term thinking, which is an issue with modern capitalism as a whole. Short term spikes of profit via exploitative practices are valued over long term lower but more steady profit by fostering consumer loyalty.
as long as you own more a majority of voting shares you are in theory able to do as you please
its well kknown gabe owns 50% of valve which is probably actually 51% which makes him all powerful
which is exactly why when he finally croaks it's going to be a fricking shitshow
the old timers own some shares too, and one might own even 26% which solves this problem
Chet Faliszek does tiktok now, and he answers just about every comment, so somebody could ask him what % he and the other oldgays have.
Yep. The others are in a never ending battle to get more and more. No such thing as sustainability with a public company.
Someday Gaben is going to die and Steam will die with it...
This, we know most of the floodgates are held back because gaben is a libertarian on principle and actual enjoys gaming.
Once that is gone, all the whiny blue hairs who secretly b***h about how evil gabes free speech policy is will jump in.
At least Gabe is swool and got himself fit so he doesnt die of a heartattack soon.
shrimple as that
if valve ever goes public, that's the day I lose all my hope in steam
And now GABEN is going to win the 24 Hours of Le Mans
https://www.astonmartin.com/en/our-world/news/2023/10/4/aston-martin-returns-to-le-mans-to-fight-for-overall-victory-with-valkyrie-hypercar
>Gabe Newell Wins for Aston Martin next Year
>He announces that Half Life 3 will be out and one part of the stages will be a full fledged Driving stage with working mechanics.
Is nothing enough for him?
If Gaben wins leman, we get Half Life 3
couldn't he pick a better car brand?
Fat and ugly people with money love wasting money on those cars. gayton Oswalt had one too.
GabeN is secretly the embodiement of objectivism that Ayn Rand advocated for 60 years ago. His only goal is to dominate the maketplace through rational egoism. He doesn't play by the rules. He plays by his own rules.
And that's why he'll keep on winning no matter what the competition does.
came crawling back
Blizzard was never on Steam to begin with, so that's not "crawling back"
True, but they started to release their games on Steam which says a lot.
Even more so Blizzard had a chance to hop on the whole storefront thing before Steam with Battlenet, but it remained as only the launcher for their games.
Actiblizz never released CoD Blops4 on steam, they did it on their store. It's just a matter of time now.
no.
he is still desperately trying to invent or do some cool shit before he dies (hardware shit, vr shit) because his ego can't accept people will only remember him as yet another stupid ex microsoft israelite that was at the right place at the right time to make infinite money of the backs of entire industry's developers.
Valve wasn't first, and Microsoft challenged them before steam got big, so it's not just right time and right place
How horrible that someone is trying to innovate. He should give up and release a new half life game every year.
>his ego can't accept people will only remember him as yet another stupid ex microsoft israelite that was at the right place at the right time to make infinite money of the backs of entire industry's developers.
But that's exactly what he is, and he keeps proving it by how every single other thing he tries to do fails horribly.
>try every single one of these companies' launchers if they were forcing one with their game
>they all suck enormously to the point where it's preventing you from playing your games
>steam is at the very worst a mild inconvenience
>simply prefer steam now because it gives the least hassle
The bar was that low that simple competency is what made steam excel.
This, they made a functional product that people like. It really is that simple.
Every single competitor they've ever had has been inferior. Epic didn't even try to compete on the same terms, they just attempted to strongarm their way into market share with exclusives and force people to use their product.
And it failed spectacularly.
>Epic didn't even try to compete on the same terms, they just attempted to strongarm their way into market share with exclusives and force people to use their product.
>And it failed spectacularly.
The customer-sided "incentives" (such as they are) were only window dressing. EGS' main rallying cry was to benefit publishers above all else, and despicably cherrypicking indie devs as the face of their programs to trick people into thinking they were benefitting "the little guy" when the majority use-case scenario for their exclusivity deals were moderate/big companies exploiting the insane amount of money Epic would give away, in order to offset games/ports that they knew were garbage and would otherwise suffer for it.
sounds like the exact same shit steam did, what's the difference?
>sounds like the exact same shit steam did
homie you deaf
Thats right homosexuals, steam is a Monopoly they are evil.
They scam you with lootboxes they dont update tf2 and they killed shartifact
And now frick up cs2
Who is that homosexual looking homosexual, homosexual?
He only needs to save Linux Desktop from total irrelevancy and He is golden.
>releases masterpiece after mastperiece
>consistently adds new features to make steam better
>normalizes ridiculously high discounts
>lets you do whatever you want with his IP
>lets his company stay at a comfortable size instead of chasing endless growth
>experiments with radical new hardware concepts, pushing the industry forward
>lets his employees do whatever they want, probably doesn't even go to work anymore
And you hate him why?
why is gaben so comforting he is the guy who I would work for, like a good dad.
No hate but having Source 2 access would be nice after Unity fiasco.
>have a business model which relies on third party content
>won't give developers tools to create that content
I'm sure the SDK is coming soon with CS2 being out finally.
I really hope so, if not with CS2 then I hope to God its with HL3.
CS2 was a scam from valve trying to pull an overwatch 2.
anon its literally free
I'm fricking jealous. Frick those buttholes. Why can't I have a job I like?
>Artifact and bonelabs was such a masterpiece wow omg valve lemme suck your wiener.
The only masterpiece valve ever made was Portal 2. Everything else ranges from shit to pretty good but a far cry from masterpiece.
>Steam sales keep getting worse over the years and Valve makes sure it's super difficult to compete on pricing by enforcing price parity clauses as the market leader.
At least key resellers seem to be immune by the effects. I wouldn't be surprised if Valve shuts those down eventually as well though especially since they don't get a cut on game keys. If you go on isthereanydeal you'll see that steam is very rarely the best place to even buy games these days.
>Steam Deck is the most successful of valves hardware endeavors and calling that a success is a joke according to any industry metric besides Valve hardware expectations.
Deck is cool I guess and it definitely breathed a lot of life into the handheld market but with the shit screen and poor performance it's getting outdone by competition from China and the more OEMs making products as of late. It's probably the best thing valve has done in the past decade which goes to show how uninteresting everything else they've done has been.
>Employees barely do shit and even simple stuff like CS2 can't hit the deadline valve themselves set for it. Hilariously Valve actually had to have structured management for HLA development because they knew it was never getting done otherwise.
So yeah employees have no reason to make new games these days. That's a good thing how?
I mostly hate him for TF2 and later even more infamously CSGO's lootboxes. Not only was TF2 the thing that brought lootboxes to the west but Valve's economy system is the worst implementation any company has ever come up. If items were trade locked and the only way to transfer ownership was through the steam market I could probably swallow that but instead we have a system rife with scamming and underage gambling because it's more money.
>The only masterpiece valve ever made was Portal 2. Everything else ranges from shit to pretty good but a far cry from masterpiece.
Didn't read the rest lmao
>The only masterpiece valve ever made was Portal 2. Everything else ranges from shit to pretty good but a far cry from masterpiece.
What's the point in even reading the rest ? Go back to making Mazda ads.
>And you hate him why?
HE CHARGES MONEY FOR SOFTWARE!
Taking 30% of sales makes him worse than Hitler.
>lets you do whatever you want with his IP
Counterpoint: There were some fricky situations with some TF2 Source mods a while ago where OpenFortress and TF2C got C&Dd for 6 months and after Valve ghosted them they came back to re release it, no further action done as of now
That happened because they were using code from the source code leak. Valve still only asked them to release the mods on Steam, then ghosted them like you said.
I still dont understand why they ghosted them after all of that effort of contacting them because of that and trying to cut a deal. It just came across as their managment being incredibly tunnel visioned and weird
I honestly think they just stopped giving a frick
>Valve still only asked them to release the mods on Steam
Is this for real? Why the Open Fortress devs said no? Would have been easier for literally everyone.
No idea but they seem weirdly attached to their SVN checkout shit. Probably autism.
They were trying to set up a deal but Valve ghosted their ass so it never happened, it was weird
i i'm not timmy, so i don't hate him
>charge 30% more for the steam version
>counter gabe's cut
checkmate, atheists
You would need to charge 3/7ths more, which is more than 30%< to counter a 30% cut, mathlet.
everyone comes back to the ugly fat bastard when they get a taste of his wiener
>Blizzard came crawling back
moron
>timmy still crying about steam
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GABEN I UNIRONICALLY FRICKING KNEEL
>valve wins by doing absolutely nothing
Seriously, how fricking hard is it to make a working PC game store with similar features to Steam? They do it with 1/500th the amount of employees and 1/10th the amount of yearly revenue that all those companies make. The incompetence in this industry is fricking unbelievable.
Friendly reminder EGS failed so hard Timmy fired the guy who ran the store for the past 5 years.
STARCRAFT on STEAM wen?
Probably eventually. MS is almost certainly making them put their shit on Steam because the profit still outweighs the bad press, I mean look at all the CoD releases on Steam.
what happened with cod?
They tend to get bad user reviews, which Activision seems to be very "whatever" about.
I'm sure that's how they're telling Blizzard to react to OW2 getting reviewbombed.
>only 4k reviews
i heard there was an issue where if steam ever disconnected even for a second cod would crash, there was some frickery there.
Lol but all of these morons plus more still give them money. Nothing changes because you cry on the internet.
And Steam never allow Chink gacha. Knowing that Mihoyo would monopoly the market. So Steam makes an advantage on Japanese games.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1671200/Honkai_Impact_3rd/
wrong
Honkai is before Mihoyo became ambitious monopolizer who will acquire Capcom,nintendo,and square in ease.
MHY is already in the process of killing itself with a literal feminist cult taking over the company from the inside anon.
>who will acquire...in ease
hello sir this is be making steam look bad! honkai is the worse than even genshin!
No Chink gacha allowed in steam. Especially mihoyo. Who want to kill Japanese subcultures and monopolize like BTS. Glad that anime got cancelled because of trouble on marketting.
Microsoft is Steam's biggest supporter even when everyone left the store they kept publishing games and are now forcing every company they buy to be steam only.
Considering how Gabe is ex-MS, it makes sense that MS is his friend.
>Gaven and MS
>friends
Anon...
they used to be enemies but now are buttbuddies. MS and Valve are very close together now as MS has no issues giving them resources to make Valve bigger.
Do you actually believe this?
>bought bethesda
>closed down their store
>put their games on steam
>about to buy activision blizzard
>already putting their games on steam
>likely gonna close up battle.net too eventually
>MS also helps promote the Steam Deck too on the side
>is Valve's number 1 publisher and releases their games day 1 without any issues on steam
Yeah I believe it
MS wants Steam removed and replaced with the Windows Store and you're insane if you think otherwise.
And Gaben knows it. What do you think the proton thing is about?
This hasnt been true for decades now, phil and Gabe talk to each other and Gabe himself says he trusts modern Xbox.
Gabe and MS is like Hitler and Stalin, they are allies for convenience but are secretly planning to kill each other
MS is perfectly content to sell its games on Steam now because its gaming business model has shifted to the GamePass. There is no downside to Microsoft squeezing extra revenue from Steam users.
According to a document in the Apple v. Epic trial, Phil meets Gabe on occasion.
It works out in MS favor quite a bit
If a person wants to buy a game instead of using game pass they will choose Steam over the windows store
Also it helps against any antitrust cases that could swing towards Microsoft owning so many game companies since people at least have a choice of where a game can be bought
Did everyone just forget that he pushed for that paid mod bullshit like 5 years ago?
No. I honestly think they were trying to do that out of earnest and shows they dont wanna gatekeep those scenes, however it was poorly thought out and they walked back on it almost immediately.
He legitimately thought he was helping the mod community by doing that. By creating an incentive to have modders be paid for their work and for the work itself to be worth money.
What he failed to take into account is the modding community had been functioning without money for 20 years up to that point and all money would have done is disrupt it, ie people pushing out quick low quality mods ito try and get quick cash, or wholesale stealing others work and claiming it as your own to sell.
true that. imagine the overwhelming flood of garbage chink and jeet mods
Gabe Newell, team owner of Hearts of Racing will be competing in the 2024 24 Heures du Mans.
>Warner Brothers old catalog still isn't on Steam
Later chumps, I'm gonna go play MK trilogy on... uh...
It's since been delisted, but MK Trilogy used to be on Steam as "Mortal Kombat Kollection." I still have it in my library.
Gog
It's on GOG
Kollection was MK1, MK2 and UMK3. Trilogy is its own game, similar to UMK3 though.
>Is he becoming too powerful?
Should've asked that to the real face of PC gaming.
>Counts the same user multiple times if they play multiple games
Isn't steam at 20 million plus concurrent users daily. That's 180 on a 9 cycle. And if they aren't cycled that much having users on 9 days a month is worth something.
>believing in Riot ~~*statistics*~~
Unlike Valve's, there's no hard evidence against their legitimacy.
They fricking count a single user playing multiple games as additional users
Not exactly legit
>there's no hard evidence against their legitimacy.
>random website making bullshit claims without proof
>"hard evidence"
Its easy to see which game is heavily botted
>Unlike Valve's, there's no hard evidence against their legitimacy.
Valve has real time stats, Riot does not.
Who cares what a horde of bugmen in internet cafes play?
>LoL has a million gazillion players just trust me.
Lmao
>LOL doesn't have a million gazillion players just trust me.
Lmao
it actually does but not on the west, it's a bugman game
>north america has 1 server
>EU has 2 servers
>korea has 1 server
>china has 34 + 3-4 extra servers
and we are only talking about the desktop version and not the mobile version of the game (wild rift)
league is unironically the biggest pc game right now but only in china
riot has 180 million accounts.
I don't understand why journalists misunderstand riots announcements of 180 million users as somehow thinking they have 180 concurrent users or something when they are just saying they have 180 million accounts
they have even clarified this when asked.
and thats less than fricking runescape
Serious question, who gets Gaben's share of Valve when he croaks and what's to stop the company from going public?
>who gets Gaben's share of Valve when he croaks
Whoever he assigns the role to before dying.
>what's to stop the company from going public?
The person mentioned above not being moronic. Which means it won't happen.
Nintendo will soon succumb to Massive Gaben wiener (MGC).
When Gaben dies, whoever owns Valve will sell it to Microsoft. Mark my words, steamies.
If it goes to his sons I don't see why they would sell it if Gabe himself has said he never will
Unless somebody fricks up real bad, and business is going down the shitter I don't see why anyone would sell that golden egg shitting goose
the unfortunate truth, they don't make titans like Gabe anymore these days
ffs please stop reminding me of this fact, the world is already as cynical as it gets
>Nintendo went to shit after Iwata died
>Valve will go to shit after Gabe dies
Just remember the good times anon.
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He's just smart enough to provide good service and not inflate the frick out of his workforce. The benefits of being privately owned and not having to follow the whims of mouthbreathing shareholders
running a literal skeleton crew while you milk half the pc gaming industry for 0 effort whatever is already as soulless as it gets, if anything shareholders would force valve to actually improve some fricking standards when it comes to their platform
>shareholders would force valve to actually improve
The entire vidya industry would start improving if steam crashed and burned and lost it's functional monopoly on PC gaming, yes.
Not at all.
~~*He*~~ didn't do anything
It's the morons who refuse to use anything else but Steam
Everything else sucks dick though moron
or so say the steamgoys
Name me a better alternative with all the features of steam
Features like what? Clown icons and god awful chat?
Epic
>all the features of steam
you mean the useless bloat? I hope that shit never becomes a trend for game launchers
No, they considered pc market is dead, so keeping the store costs more than - 30%
Armageddon is coming and ya'll wasting time on console wars
>do nothing
>win every time
How the frick does he do it?
Literally Art of War tactics. Don't interrupt your enemy while he's making a mistake. It's not Gabe's fault all his opponents are moronic suits.
>gabe/valve worship
cringiest shit I've ever seen, let's worship the guy that takes a 30 percent cut, tried to sell mods, adds loot boxes, keys and battle passes to every game, and has game modes where you need to buy a ticket with real money to play
and yet he's still least bad of the bunch
No, he's not. He's just as bad as everyone else. Remember, you're talking about a company that has been fined millions multiple times for breaking consumer law. Your homosexual ass is brainwashed.
Details on these lawsuits? What were the claims that went through in court again?
Refusing to offer refunds for broken products, making it almost impossible to get in contact with them, etc., etc. The didn't operate like a normal business. They operated like a shady business. This is why Steam eventually started offering refunds. It's not because of "based gaben" being a nice guy. It's because they were compelled to by the courts of multiple countries and this was something Valve tried very hard to fight against.
So they do offer refunds after two hours of game time. Other storefronts do that too right? Like Microsoft's online store, and EGS?
Because if they don't, you should be very afraid of either of them dethroning Steam as the market leader for PC games.
>So they do offer refunds after two hours of game time.
Law says nothing about two hours. Law says you're still entitled to a refund fricking months later for a piece of shit product. Valve still tries to avoid following that law as much as they can get away with. Stop sucking their dick, moron.
But Steam's refund rule is two hours.
Do any of the other storefronts offer refunds? Are they better at following this law than Steam?
Pipul using steam shill. Even fricking Origin had refunds before Steam did. And they didn't meed to be fined multiple times before they did it too.
How's Origin doing these days?
They removed Origins. Its just EA these days and yes, shitty as usual
In Valve’s defense, not offering refunds on software has long been a common practice in software retail. For better or worse it has long been a common industry practice. Granted it’s a shitty practice; it evolved from software being installable from physical media with no protection, as a way of preventing
>buy software
>install software
>return software
And just sorta stuck around because hey, easy money.
The courts were right to compel Valve and other software developers to support refunds in the age of DRM/validation checks, but it’s disingenuous to act like Valve was being uncharacteristically shitty in the space. Video game consumers coming from brick and mortar and physical discs expected refunds as a matter of course, but nobody buying boxed PC software did. At least in the US it just wasn’t done. Opened software was never returnable.
>but it’s disingenuous to act like Valve was being uncharacteristically shitty in the space
No, it's not. Because Valve was literally the only one to fight it. EA, Ubisoft, Microsoft, etc. all just said "Okay. Yeah. We'll follow the law." right off the bat. Valve didn't. They just ignored it when warned they were breaking the law. And then when taken to court over it they basically just argued that they were above the law. That didn't work out too well for them.
Valve was the only one of those that didn’t have any corporate presence in the countries where the lawsuits were taking place though. They assumed the law didn’t apply to them because that’s a pretty reasonable assumption. American companies as a rule don’t give a shit what the European Union (or Australia?) says isn’t okay. Obviously being an online marketplace accessible in all countries changes things somewhat but EA, Ubisoft, Microsoft, Sony, etc., all have offices and incorporated status in the countries where those policies exist.
Again, Valve was wrong. Them being compelled to implement refunds was exactly right. I just don’t buy the “evil greedy corporate monster” narrative on it. It was more “American company continues to do what was standard practice among all American companies in its field and doesn’t pay attention when Italy whines about it”
Two problems. First, they had local servers and implemented regional pricing so claiming they don't really have a presence in those regions is bullshit. That's having your cake and eating it too. Second, the laws we're talking about also exist in America so even if it was that only America's laws would apply to them they'd still be fricked if someone actually bothered to take them to court.
If American consumer protection laws actually made it a requirement that “opened” software be returnable it would have come home on a lot of retailers that predated Valve. My whole life you couldn’t return software unless it was unopened (as proof you never installed it). American law makes it plenty possible to stipulate “no fricking refunds” and get away with it, as long as the policy is clear up front (caveat emptor and all that), which it always was with software.
It’s the globalization of ecommerce, coupled with stronger consumer protection laws in other countries, that have forced American companies to (grudgingly) start offering refunds they don’t want to offer.
In fact
https://www.staples.com/sbd/cre/help-center/returns-policy/#:~:text=Opened%20boxed%20software%20and%20Downloadable%20software%20is%20not%20returnable%20or%20refundable.,-Digital%20Software
Here’s the policy in place RIGHT NOW, in 2023, on the Staples website. I again stress that in the US, this is a perfectly standard practice for software returns policies, for better or worse.
The ugly truth steamgoys don't want to admit is the 30% cut is somehow only the tip of the iceberg and one of the least bad things valve has done.
>They don't make games, they take mods of existing games (often their own games) and take all the profits.
>Valve was also the pioneer of lootboxes in this side of gaming, on top of that they also let literal gambling sites fester because it's monetarily beneficial to them and pretend those gambling sites don't exist.
>The entire cosmetics side of that gambling is propped up by glorified slave labor by scamming creators out of their assets by giving them a pittance, and because they technically are neither hired workers or even contractors they can get away by not paying them even that pittance.
>Constantly driving the entire industry down a death spiral where they have to make games cheap as frick to sell at all on steam sales in the sea of garbage, while simultaneously demanding AAA polish from even solo devs.
Valve has done endless irreparable damage to the vidya industry to the point of being worse than EA, and yet it's all forgiven the next steam sale where the goys can do even more damage to the gaming industry by forcing devs to undercut their games all the way to 90% off if not more a mere 6 months after release to stay competitive.
>>The entire cosmetics side of that gambling is propped up by glorified slave labor by scamming creators out of their assets by giving them a pittance, and because they technically are neither hired workers or even contractors they can get away by not paying them even that pittance.
This really is an understated point. This is basically paid mods.
morons are still blaming Bethesda for inventing paid mods but Valve had already been doing it for years and continued doing it after they claimed they had decided to stop doing paid mods.
Not just paid mods mind you, but the pioneers in making digital cosmetics a literal currency that can be traded, often for other non-valve steam game keys, all within steam's own service without breaking ToS.
why is it every time someone recaps the worst cancers killing vidya it can always get traced back to a valve game or steam as a platform?
don't forget valve turning a blind eye to credit card fraud sites that resell game keys for extremely cheap
sites that more often than not get shilled by ecelebs to pay the devs even less while valve still gets a cut out of that money
how the FRICK valve gets a free pass for being a parasite literally killing the vidya industry is beyond me, not even snoy is this fricking bad
>They don't make games, they take mods of existing games (often their own games) and take all the profits.
Smart way to get talent really
>Valve was also the pioneer of lootboxes in this side of gaming, on top of that they also let literal gambling sites fester because it's monetarily beneficial to them and pretend those gambling sites don't exist.
Fair
>The entire cosmetics side of that gambling is propped up by glorified slave labor by scamming creators out of their assets by giving them a pittance, and because they technically are neither hired workers or even contractors they can get away by not paying them even that pittance.
Also fair
>Constantly driving the entire industry down a death spiral where they have to make games cheap as frick to sell at all on steam sales in the sea of garbage, while simultaneously demanding AAA polish from even solo devs.
>Steam
>Demanding AAA polish
What you seen a AAA game released lately that was actually polished? Steam is full of broken ass games, ain't none of them demanding any polish
Have you noticed that whenever an anti-Steam shill is asked to back up his claims, he instantly reverts to insults and autistic screeching? They literally cannot argue any of their points, it's always "shill cuck goy drone" the moment you ask them to explain what they mean with "anti-customer tactics", "bloat" or "monopolistic behavior". It really is like listening to a Pajeet scam caller, just with different insults.
>anti-Steam shill
I've notoced you using this term for some time. Do you even know what shill means? How does this make any sense in your mind?
Reminder the only reason Half-Life 3 never got made is because Gabe couldn't think of a way to effectively monetize the game with aftermarket sales. He flat out said this. He shut down multiple attempts to make Half-Life 3 because the people making it couldn't convince him it was okay to just make a game people paid for only once.
Is that even news? Why would anyone think valve would ever go back to single purchase games after tasting that sweet lootbox money while leeching massive amounts of money off other devs by just existing?
It's sad that people "trust" the man because he's cunning enough to know how to act in public appearances.
in that sense he was ahead of the curve in creating parasocial relationships before ecelebs or vtubers did
it's insane people treat the slimy greedy fatso like some kind of cool dad
I think Steve Job beat him to it by a couple of years.
Steve jobs lost the monopoly war, and while apple still has a strong cult following it's nowhere near the horde of hostile zealots that you get with steamgoys, even the most fervent applegays at least know their place.
>he's cunning enough to know how to act in public appearances
That's good enough for me. At least he doesn't act like a moron on Twitter ala Tim Sweeney or Elon Musk.
I like those two solely because they aren't afraid to. It's the one that puts on a mask and pretends that you want to watch carefully.
His appearance on reddit to defend paid mods didn't go down well with a lot of people. He came across as being like one of those greedy shareholders that Ganker is always b***hing about. As I recall he expected people to care that he had delayed his holiday by a few hours over this shit. He also seems to consider gamers to be annoying brats too. Can't say I fault him there.
he's one of the main reasons gamers are so entitled though, why is he complaining?
>microsoft
now on gay pass
>EA
now on gay pass
>ubisoft
now on gay pass
>SE
might be on gay pass
>activision/blizzard
soon to be on gay pass
>sony
probably will never be on gay pass
>epic/tencent
depend on Tim
who knew Microsoft would be the one to catch up to steam
The best part is that they're not above the law, and can still be hit with lawsuits if they get too big for their britches. The humbling they took regarding refunds and paid mods will be a reminder that customers need to exercise their rights more.
I am still happy of the work they put into linux and proton.
>Valve releases Source 2
>which mean you can also use SF2M
>SFM porn creators get a graphics upgrade
Why is this a bad thing again?
jesus of gaming
>singlehandedly forces Aston Martin to revive the Valkyrie LMH program too
HE'S TOO POWERFUL
>
When he dies it's going to be a complete shitshow
He regularly has to wrangle the tards directly underneath him and putting any one of those morons in charge would be a disaster
I think too many people are predicting some kind of implosion at the company involving a power struggle. It's likely that Gabe already has a successor named after he goes. Plus the steam drones constantly mention his children if it's not someone working at the company.
>Gabe creates a literal dynastic line to preserve the integrity of Valve
I forgot, was his F1 racer son also the one into vore, or was that his other son?
>CHINKCENT
TRILLION REVENUE
>1 BILLION PROFIT
>VALVE
>7 BILLION REVENUE
>6.5 BILLION PROFIT
they literally do nothing and make billions
all the israelites and chinks dream of being Gaben
I kneel and fear when his fat catches up to him, but I trust him to pick a good successor. Even if everything goes to hell, you can always easily pirate. PC can't be stopped.
>when his fat catches up to him
He's actually lost quite bit of weight over the years, I think he might be taking his health more seriously.
It's just... it's just a matter of time for epic to r-r-r-raise!
consolidation.
new video of them doing "nothing" just dropped
>>EA came crawling back
with their own garbage launcher
came crawling back
with their own garbage launcher
came crawling back
came crawling back
same company, also with their own garbage launcher