He does so by providing a counter against stallhomosexualry, being the one pokemon that stallgays cannot handle. This fills Smogon, who're all stallgays, with babyrage.
So what are some actual stall mons that have been used in the past two or three gens?
6 months ago
Anonymous
Anon, real stall has been dead for the last two or so gens. The "stall" teams people are running nowadays were fat balance teams in the past. Powercreep, dexcut, general nerfs and Smogon's own bans have seen to it.
You don't see any famous meme teams like in pic related anymore, or anything analogous to them. The most stall you see in OU is Alomomola chipping away with Whirlpool.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>like in pic related
6 months ago
Anonymous
This is why I like Gen4 OU so much
Tyraniboah singlehandedly cucking stall cores
6 months ago
Anonymous
"Real stall" never existed because even the most defensive forms of stall feature attacking Pokemon.
A team with just status moves and spikes isn't stall, it's just a dumb gimmick.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Corviknight. Literally the only Pokémon I can think of where PP stalling is actually a viable (and possibly outright intended) strategy.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Corviknight carries attacking moves ten times out of ten
6 months ago
Anonymous
I'm not sure where Body Press fits on the stall/not stall side of the argument.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Foul Play and Body Press almost prove anon's point given that, like status moves, they need no offensive investment to be effective.
6 months ago
Anonymous
They are still attacks.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Focusing on semantics instead of the meat of the argument
I don't think anyone expects any more from a nu-smogonite, but it's still disgraceful.
6 months ago
Anonymous
It has nothing to do with semantics.
Anon was very clear about what he considers stall or not with this post
If it has one or two attacking moves then by definition it's not stall.
Gliscor's always been primarily a balance and bulky offense mon.
He said nothing about stat allocations, those are words you're shoving in his mouth.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>If it has one or two attacking moves then by definition it's not stall.
is just 100% not true.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Exactly, so don't defend morons
6 months ago
Anonymous
Nobody outside of bottom ladder 'le HeCkIn QuIrKy' homosexuals carry 4 status moves on a Pokemon, since it would get buckbroken by Taunt
How is asking you to show us how it's done seething? I'm genuinely curious
6 months ago
Anonymous
Do you really think this bait is going to work forever? >someone proves you wrong with replays from main account >finch's circlejerk vibrates >banned within a month at longest >people unfortunately still keep falling for the same bait
I guess it's a skill issue people keep biting the hook because it's still working well enough for you finch.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Archive links?
6 months ago
Anonymous
Do your own digging.
6 months ago
Anonymous
I did and all the results say you just made that up
Their logic is simple, if a Pokemon is suspected or banned it's automatically balanced, good for the meta and non-stall, if not it's automatically cheap and stall.
Smogonites are too peabrained to think creatively to deal with a situation. If it threatens the most common team setup and requires them to use something that isn't strictly a part of the average team, it has to leave.
This. it's not about smogon being only stall gays, it's about specific gameplay, the most viable teams in the smogon metagame are stall, standrad and bulky offense. they will ban anything that threaten those playstyles or enable too much other playstyles, like hyperoffense (Rip shed tail).
I have a conspiracy theory that GF introduced Kingambit, revival blessing, Shed Tail and Last respects as a way to shit on 6v6 singles and especially Smogon/showdown
But of course, Adaptgay's "Creative thinking" is often very hyper-specific and/or inconsistent. It works for the offending pokemon and then is deadweight in nearly every other interaction, not like the offending pokemon can in some way adapt back or play around it. And when he has no solution he just repeatedly SAYS THE LINE.
>Adaptgay can't provide any answers despite his confidence that there is one and just mindlessy screams "JUST HECKING ADAPTERINO"
My such cases!
[...] >Adaptgay is trying to samegay to win an argument
May such cases
But of course, Adaptgay's "Creative thinking" is often very hyper-specific and/or inconsistent. It works for the offending pokemon and then is deadweight in nearly every other interaction, not like the offending pokemon can in some way adapt back or play around it. And when he has no solution he just repeatedly SAYS THE LINE.
>telling smogon to adapt instead of banning is now a bad thing
/vp/ has fallen.
Literally any ice type move kills Gliscor. >B-BUT WHAT IF HE KNOW ME MON CAN HAS LE ICE BEAM-
Ice type Tera Blast. Catch Gliscor offguard.
Learn to play.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Adapt
My such cases. I can't play a different playstyle than the one I'm used to, if this hinders my playstyle it must be banned for an healthy meta. I'm not wrong, the smogon council agrees with me.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Commonly Terastilizes out of it's 4x ice weakness even if it there's no Ice move incoming >Can hide behind steel types like the Cheese string man and Kingambit >Can take atleast once Ice type attack from most viable pokemon, toxics and then switches out
Try again
6 months ago
Anonymous
Gliscor carries Protect, it can just scout ice moves and tera. It's not that easy to catch it off guard.
>Noooo that doesn't work because, uhhhhhhhhh I MIGHT GET OUTSKILLED!
So you finally admit you want Gliscor banned because of skill issue.
6 months ago
Anonymous
And how is any of this a skill issue? Sounds like someone just doesn't want their toy banned.
6 months ago
Anonymous
do I have to spoonfeed you like baby? you really see nothing wrong with clicking tera and tera blast indiscriminately on a Gliscor? (hint because youre obviously braindead: nobody uses protect twice in a row. hint 2: your first attack that hits protect wont be super effective)
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Gliscor switches out or teras into Water, because why else you be trying to use Tera blast on it
6 months ago
Anonymous
>DUHH JUST DEDICATE A WHOLE POKEMON AND TERA FOR A CHANCE AT MAYBE KILLING THIS SINGLE POKEMON AFTER IT SET UP
3 LAYERS OF SPIKES AND CRIPPLED 2 POKEMON WITH TOXIC
Maybe learn to play without corny shit like gliscor lol
6 months ago
Anonymous
Bro just protect your setup sweeper with Shed tail or use Urshifu rapid-strikes. it works fine on BSS.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Oops, Gliscor is now a water-type!
6 months ago
Anonymous
not an issue on HO with several sweepers, just time to U-tun into something like Ogerpon. And you just used a unique ressource to wienerblock the Bear
6 months ago
Anonymous
+2 0 Atk Tera Water Gliscor Facade (140 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Ogerpon: 222-262 (73.7 - 87%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Ogerpon Ivy Cudgel vs. 244 HP / 252+ Def Tera Water Gliscor: 192-228 (54.5 - 64.7%) -- 93.8% chance to 2HKO after Poison Heal
6 months ago
Anonymous
+3 252 Atk Hearthflame Mask Ogerpon-Hearthflame Power Whip vs. 244 HP / 252+ Def Tera Water Gliscor: 684-806 (194.3 - 228.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Play the real meta
6 months ago
Anonymous
When are you getting the opportunity to set up in front of a Gliscor? Fire's tera can be seen coming from a mile away and you'll just get blown away by EQ.
6 months ago
Anonymous
+1 252 Atk Hearthflame Mask Ogerpon-Hearthflame Power Whip vs. 244 HP / 252+ Def Tera Water Gliscor: 410-486 (116.4 - 138%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Setup not even needed with tera.
2HKO without setup, 0HKO with SD and no tera. ogerpon can tank one hit even if Gliscor has 1SD (but without tera Fire).
Looks like Ogerpon wins
6 months ago
Anonymous
Sorry, I switched in my Dondozo.
6 months ago
Anonymous
+1 252 Atk Hearthflame Mask Tera Fire Ogerpon-Hearthflame-Tera Power Whip vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Unaware Dondozo: 290-344 (57.5 - 68.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
???
anon?
6 months ago
Anonymous
too bad you missed that Power Whip
6 months ago
Anonymous
>It works in 3v3 where everyone is capped at 50 so it HAS to work in 6v6 where everyone is 100!
6 months ago
Anonymous
Don't play 6v6 then.
6 months ago
Anonymous
6v6 is how pokemon is played, silly
6 months ago
Anonymous
VGC is how pokemon is played
6 months ago
Anonymous
Weird, since when I boot up the game, it tells me to get a team of 6 and battle in single battles.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Gliscor carries Protect, it can just scout ice moves and tera. It's not that easy to catch it off guard.
>built in recovery so good it doesn't mind the roost lose >nearly impossible to status >knock off the most spamable move in the game >one of the few non poison types to keep toxic >2 great hazards >sword dance to start putting out real damage >not slow
what a goat
>People adapt and meta evolves >Smogon complains about 50/50s and gimmicks >Mons get banned to maintain status quo that nobody but the council is really satisfied with
In the end, nobody gets what they want do they? It'll be discontent until Gen 10 and then Tera will be tossed under the bus for the generation being mismanaged. I unironically hope you homosexuals ban Tera so you don't have an easy excuse at the end of the gen.
>People adapt and meta evolves
So what are your brilliant adaptations to the current suspected and banned mons? You do have teams and builds to show us, right?
Ban the cheese strings and stop fricking up lower tiers because of your inability to address the core problem with the format with scapegoat bans. Simple as.
I sincerely would not care less what kind of moronic decisions finch and his troons make if they didn't reverberate into every tier that isn't UUbers. It's tiresome getting ladder reqs every time you homosexuals find another scapegoat playing in your dogshit format just to try and attempt to mitigate your damage elsewhere instead of playing an actually fun format this gen.
6 months ago
Anonymous
As if Gholdengo isn't the biggest scapegoat of this generation.
Gen 9 is a generation of extreme power creep and tera, like all the other gimmicks isn't really compatible with competitive play. Gholdengo is just a particularly obnoxious Pokemon. Getting rid of it is not a solution
6 months ago
Anonymous
For the sake of argument, fine, lets say that's the case. Every time something moronic happens in OU like Finch getting memed on by Volcarona and ragebanning it has farther reaching consequences across other tiers than one moron should have. They'll likely stabilize once gen 10 comes out and you fricks stop shaking all the other formats every month to allow for some organic meta development there, but by then most of the playerbase there will have moved onto Gen 10 lower tiers.
The entire system being connected is no longer a viable model, especially with OU's very 'quirky' choice of council members.
>vp whines about how 'smogon doesn't want to ban defensive mons' >they actually consider banning one >'noooooo my heckin gliscorino!!!' >nobody itt will actually get reqs anyways
My new theorum is that if a mon looks cool enough it can get away with anything in the eyes of /vp/. If Gliscor was 1 to 1 swapped with Wormdam or some shit /vp/ would be out for its head right now.
>all these idiots claiming Gliscor is a stallmon
Way to out yourself for not playing the game. Still it's true that pure stall is showing its ugly face again but the first post is unironically right, as the common mixed set shits on stall. Though it also enables the mixed stall/bulky offense/smogon special gameplay that everyone there loves (for that reason I'm half surprised they're suspecting the scorpion).
It's still fine and MUs very well into other team styles but it really hates Tera. Offensive Tera has fricked calcs with Adapt so you don't get the full benefit and common defensive teras like fairy and water resist one of its stabs which is a death sentence for something as frail and reliant on KOs/forcing things out as the crawfish.
There's also other breakers like Luna and Psyshock Nego that sorta role creep it while not having as big of downsides.
More likeCrawdaunt is too spedcrept to do its job correctly.
Even if you used DD and are at +1, still gets outsped by common Pokemon, every Scarfer on the planet, and gets revenge'd easily against Paradox Mons.
>but its a stallmon! >but its not a stallmon!
you are all missing the point. gliscor is simply a mon that isnt strictly offensive that can abuse passivity of balance cores or pivots in OU. Sure stuff like clefable is immune to DOT and doesnt mind knock off but you dont gain much of an advantage by having clefable sitting in on a passive pokemon. Gliscor benefits so much from it that it can outheal stealth rock damage just by switching in on a non attacking move. if you stay in, it can knock, toxic, spike, or SD and its entirely unthreatened by the holy trio of defensive cores, Knock, status, and chip. its already poisoned, doesnt need its item, outheals all your chip, and you cant grind down its recovery PP because it recovers naturally. Theres no wall in the game that can contest gliscor except a second gliscor. For this reason its wrong to call gliscor a stall mon, its purpose this gen is to completely abuse do-nothing passive cores. you cant use the rest of your defensive core to deal with gliscor so you have to either absorb a knock/toxic/eq on one of your offensive switch ins, or you play passively and let it recover all its HP while spamming spikes. The only way to play around gliscor effectively is to pressure it offensively. >bro just lure it and use ice coverage
scouted by protect >bro just bring defog
every single defogger in the tier loses to it and it has more spike pp than defog pp
The fact of the matter is gliscor is the only way for passive teams to deal with opposing gliscor and offensive teams really dont need to worry about building specifically for gliscor since it doesnt have any do-nothing pokemon to abuse on your team.
Anyways im voting DNB for the suspect test.
Smogon OUgays got mindbroken when Tera avoided any action and are still seething about it to this day. Instead of accepting the meta for what it is, that being highly offense-focused and centralized around Tera mindgames and specific matchup preparation, they are desperately trying (and failing) to recreate gen 8 OU in its entirety.
it was mindblowing that smogon users just refused to ladder in the tera suspect because they thought it was a shoe in to ban it. they deserve their shit meta for being too stupid to participate in suspects and i think they learned their lesson with the massive ban% on things like blood moon and roaring moon
Tera is either going to end up banned by the end of the generation or Smogon is just going to give up and decide that Gen 9 is going to be one of THOSE gens (alongside Gen 2 and Gen 5).
Soon Gliscor will be banned and you can add it up to 28 pokemon under 600-bst that smogon says is too strong to play against. Even though they could all just be in OU playing against each other.
>Gliscor has been around since gen 4 >no one complains about it >gen 9 introduces tera types >now everyone says it's too good
When will smogoon admit that tera is the real problem? Either ban tera or adapt to the new meta game.
How exactly do they decide which mon should be banned?
Kingambit has the highest ou usage right now, and yet he doesn't get banned >Inb4 machop used rock smah
Yeah and swinub used powder snow, and yet gliscor is apparently too much. The whole defencive tera "argument" isn't an argument at all because all mons can tera
Kingambit was suspect tested and got a ~56% ban vote. It needed 60% ban to get banned. A lot of other bans as well as returning Pokemon have alleviated some of the issues with Kingambit. Catching it with a Will-o-Wisp is huge. Not to mention the increase in viability of other wincon sweepers like Robot Volcorona, troony Gallade, Wet Ogerpon, and Gliscor.
If you hate that Smogon keeps banning your favorite toys, how about the majority of you gather up reqs so you can vote DNB en masse stuffing the voting everytime until they do something about it instead of doing nothing but seething and chewing on sour grapes on the Mongolian basket weaving forums?
They already banned a bunch of stuff without even doing a suspect test. Plus the majority of the smogon player base are just smogon dick suckers without brains of their own that will automatically side with smogon just because they decided to suspect something so its going to be banned either way. I been stopped playing smogon rules when they banned dynamax but sometimes I still post about how shit smogon is.
>They already banned a bunch of stuff without even doing a suspect test.
As they should. No need to waste time voting on Regieleki when it was obviously shitting up the tier with its ridiculous BoltBeam combo. Same for the likes of Flutter Mane. People are upset at Smogon for wasting time suspecting things like Ursaluna-BM that end up with a 90%+ ban vote since it was obviously busted and that time spent on testing Ursaluna could've been spent on less obviously broken Pokemon like Gliscor, Gholdengo, Iron Valiant, and Iron Moth.
Booster Energy isn't busted on Brute Bonnet, Scream Tail, Iron Treads, Great Tusk, Slither Wing, Walking Wake, Iron Leaves, Sandy Shocks, or Iron Thorns.
What's your point? Baton Pass isn't busted on Pyukumuku.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Baton Pass was a busted strategy that Smogon desperately tried to keep around with all sorts of limitations to try and keep it balanced and legal. Banning it was a last resort of sorts. Booster Energy is only broken on a small handful of Pokemon. Banning it because of Moth and Valiant would be like banning Eviolite because of Chansey or banning Choice Scarf because of Chi-Yu.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Booster Energy is the sole reason those two Pokemon are broken, without Tapu Koko being in the game.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Iron Valiant and Moth have other sets than Booster Energy that makes them strong. Again, you wouldn't ban Eviolite because it makes Chansey busted, you'd ban Chansey.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Chansey is one Pokemon.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Chansey isn't the only Pokemon that gets a viability boost from Eviolite. Gligar, Scyther, Dusclops, and so on all benefit from it heavily.
6 months ago
Anonymous
None of those Pokemon are anywhere near OU.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Neither is Chansey, but the point still stands. The item is fine on most Pokemon that can use it, it's just busted on a small handful of Pokemon.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>The item is fine on most Pokemon that can use it, it's just busted on a small handful of Pokemon.
The small handful is what gets most items/moves banned. Valiant & Moth are busted due to Booster Energy, and their usage of that item reaches into the 90s the higher you get on the ladder.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>The small handful is what gets most items/moves banned.
Not true. Greninja was banned in Gen 6 instead of Protean because Kecleon wasn't busted with it. Cinderace was banned in Gen 8 instead of HDB because most things weren't busted with it. Half of the Pokemon that learned Shed Tail were banned before the move was itself.
6 months ago
Anonymous
You're still posting singular examples.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Also, Booster Energy is the #1 most used item for both Pokemon by a gigantic margin.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>scarf on set up mons that also have booster energy
based morons.
He does so by providing a counter against stallhomosexualry, being the one pokemon that stallgays cannot handle. This fills Smogon, who're all stallgays, with babyrage.
Gliscor is a stallmon. It can run bulky offense, but 9/10 times, it's running stall.
>Gliscor is a stallmon
Evidently not, since Smogon is moving to ban Gliscor.
You are genuinely mindbroken if you think a bulky spike setter with one, maybe two damaging moves and a defensive tera isn't a stallmon.
If it has one or two attacking moves then by definition it's not stall.
Gliscor's always been primarily a balance and bulky offense mon.
A mon without an attacking move is not stall, is taunt bait and not a good set
So Toxapex is bulky offense too, got it
Yes.
So what are some actual stall mons that have been used in the past two or three gens?
Anon, real stall has been dead for the last two or so gens. The "stall" teams people are running nowadays were fat balance teams in the past. Powercreep, dexcut, general nerfs and Smogon's own bans have seen to it.
You don't see any famous meme teams like in pic related anymore, or anything analogous to them. The most stall you see in OU is Alomomola chipping away with Whirlpool.
>like in pic related
This is why I like Gen4 OU so much
Tyraniboah singlehandedly cucking stall cores
"Real stall" never existed because even the most defensive forms of stall feature attacking Pokemon.
A team with just status moves and spikes isn't stall, it's just a dumb gimmick.
Corviknight. Literally the only Pokémon I can think of where PP stalling is actually a viable (and possibly outright intended) strategy.
Corviknight carries attacking moves ten times out of ten
I'm not sure where Body Press fits on the stall/not stall side of the argument.
Foul Play and Body Press almost prove anon's point given that, like status moves, they need no offensive investment to be effective.
They are still attacks.
>Focusing on semantics instead of the meat of the argument
I don't think anyone expects any more from a nu-smogonite, but it's still disgraceful.
It has nothing to do with semantics.
Anon was very clear about what he considers stall or not with this post
He said nothing about stat allocations, those are words you're shoving in his mouth.
>If it has one or two attacking moves then by definition it's not stall.
is just 100% not true.
Exactly, so don't defend morons
Nobody outside of bottom ladder 'le HeCkIn QuIrKy' homosexuals carry 4 status moves on a Pokemon, since it would get buckbroken by Taunt
have a nice day goalpost moving stallshitter
t. seething after brownnosing finch
How is asking you to show us how it's done seething? I'm genuinely curious
Do you really think this bait is going to work forever?
>someone proves you wrong with replays from main account
>finch's circlejerk vibrates
>banned within a month at longest
>people unfortunately still keep falling for the same bait
I guess it's a skill issue people keep biting the hook because it's still working well enough for you finch.
Archive links?
Do your own digging.
I did and all the results say you just made that up
Literally why? Block Garganacl cucks him so hard it isn't even funny. Every time I see a team with Glis on showdown it's basically a free win for me.
for some reason people think Garganacl is unviable now and it dropped to UU
go play more games with based Miney Crafta salt and save the day, hero
>He
>has
>no style
>he
gliscor is and has always been a stall mon
Gliscor is literally the face of stall
Gliscor is stalltrash and loses to Magic Guard Clef and Rest Curse Dondozo.
>Gliscor used Taunt!
Clef and Dondozo are giga stalltrash
Gliscor is literally a stall staple
Gliscor is a balance staple.
she's a cutie
So now are hazards and Knock Off anti-stall? Get your story straight Verlisify.
Their logic is simple, if a Pokemon is suspected or banned it's automatically balanced, good for the meta and non-stall, if not it's automatically cheap and stall.
was he banned?
Smogonites are too peabrained to think creatively to deal with a situation. If it threatens the most common team setup and requires them to use something that isn't strictly a part of the average team, it has to leave.
How come creative geniuses like you are always at the absolute bottom of the ladder?
It's unfortunately been like this since Gen 7. The nu-wave of comp players killed the scene.
Show us how it's done anon, post your replays
LOUDER
This. it's not about smogon being only stall gays, it's about specific gameplay, the most viable teams in the smogon metagame are stall, standrad and bulky offense. they will ban anything that threaten those playstyles or enable too much other playstyles, like hyperoffense (Rip shed tail).
I have a conspiracy theory that GF introduced Kingambit, revival blessing, Shed Tail and Last respects as a way to shit on 6v6 singles and especially Smogon/showdown
Then voice your "creative solutions" to people who want to play specific slower playstyles that's not HO, Adaptgay
Why do you reply to me when you already know the answer? Adapt, gay and play BSS
>Adaptgay can't provide any answers despite his confidence that there is one and just mindlessy screams "JUST HECKING ADAPTERINO"
My such cases!
>calling someone an 'adaptgay' like it's a bad thing unironically
>NOOOOO! I just want to play gen 5 ou on every game!!!
>Adaptgay is trying to samegay to win an argument
May such cases
But of course, Adaptgay's "Creative thinking" is often very hyper-specific and/or inconsistent. It works for the offending pokemon and then is deadweight in nearly every other interaction, not like the offending pokemon can in some way adapt back or play around it. And when he has no solution he just repeatedly SAYS THE LINE.
homosexual
>telling smogon to adapt instead of banning is now a bad thing
/vp/ has fallen.
It's only one or two smoggies shitting up the thread
So then what is your solution to the offending pokemon?
Literally any ice type move kills Gliscor.
>B-BUT WHAT IF HE KNOW ME MON CAN HAS LE ICE BEAM-
Ice type Tera Blast. Catch Gliscor offguard.
Learn to play.
>Adapt
My such cases. I can't play a different playstyle than the one I'm used to, if this hinders my playstyle it must be banned for an healthy meta. I'm not wrong, the smogon council agrees with me.
>Commonly Terastilizes out of it's 4x ice weakness even if it there's no Ice move incoming
>Can hide behind steel types like the Cheese string man and Kingambit
>Can take atleast once Ice type attack from most viable pokemon, toxics and then switches out
Try again
>Noooo that doesn't work because, uhhhhhhhhh I MIGHT GET OUTSKILLED!
So you finally admit you want Gliscor banned because of skill issue.
And how is any of this a skill issue? Sounds like someone just doesn't want their toy banned.
do I have to spoonfeed you like baby? you really see nothing wrong with clicking tera and tera blast indiscriminately on a Gliscor? (hint because youre obviously braindead: nobody uses protect twice in a row. hint 2: your first attack that hits protect wont be super effective)
>Gliscor switches out or teras into Water, because why else you be trying to use Tera blast on it
>DUHH JUST DEDICATE A WHOLE POKEMON AND TERA FOR A CHANCE AT MAYBE KILLING THIS SINGLE POKEMON AFTER IT SET UP
3 LAYERS OF SPIKES AND CRIPPLED 2 POKEMON WITH TOXIC
Maybe learn to play without corny shit like gliscor lol
Bro just protect your setup sweeper with Shed tail or use Urshifu rapid-strikes. it works fine on BSS.
Oops, Gliscor is now a water-type!
not an issue on HO with several sweepers, just time to U-tun into something like Ogerpon. And you just used a unique ressource to wienerblock the Bear
+2 0 Atk Tera Water Gliscor Facade (140 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Ogerpon: 222-262 (73.7 - 87%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Ogerpon Ivy Cudgel vs. 244 HP / 252+ Def Tera Water Gliscor: 192-228 (54.5 - 64.7%) -- 93.8% chance to 2HKO after Poison Heal
+3 252 Atk Hearthflame Mask Ogerpon-Hearthflame Power Whip vs. 244 HP / 252+ Def Tera Water Gliscor: 684-806 (194.3 - 228.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Play the real meta
When are you getting the opportunity to set up in front of a Gliscor? Fire's tera can be seen coming from a mile away and you'll just get blown away by EQ.
+1 252 Atk Hearthflame Mask Ogerpon-Hearthflame Power Whip vs. 244 HP / 252+ Def Tera Water Gliscor: 410-486 (116.4 - 138%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Setup not even needed with tera.
2HKO without setup, 0HKO with SD and no tera. ogerpon can tank one hit even if Gliscor has 1SD (but without tera Fire).
Looks like Ogerpon wins
Sorry, I switched in my Dondozo.
+1 252 Atk Hearthflame Mask Tera Fire Ogerpon-Hearthflame-Tera Power Whip vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Unaware Dondozo: 290-344 (57.5 - 68.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
???
anon?
too bad you missed that Power Whip
>It works in 3v3 where everyone is capped at 50 so it HAS to work in 6v6 where everyone is 100!
Don't play 6v6 then.
6v6 is how pokemon is played, silly
VGC is how pokemon is played
Weird, since when I boot up the game, it tells me to get a team of 6 and battle in single battles.
Gliscor carries Protect, it can just scout ice moves and tera. It's not that easy to catch it off guard.
I want gliscor tongue.
>built in recovery so good it doesn't mind the roost lose
>nearly impossible to status
>knock off the most spamable move in the game
>one of the few non poison types to keep toxic
>2 great hazards
>sword dance to start putting out real damage
>not slow
what a goat
finchinator is a ginormous homosexual troony moron and needs to be kicked out
100% agreed. How this guy continues to be in the council while ALWAYS getting blown the frick out in every match he plays is insane.
homosexual FINCH BANS KING’S ROCK
SERENE GRACE IS OKAY
>It's another JUSTADAPTgays pretending they know the solution to everything episode
>People adapt and meta evolves
>Smogon complains about 50/50s and gimmicks
>Mons get banned to maintain status quo that nobody but the council is really satisfied with
In the end, nobody gets what they want do they? It'll be discontent until Gen 10 and then Tera will be tossed under the bus for the generation being mismanaged. I unironically hope you homosexuals ban Tera so you don't have an easy excuse at the end of the gen.
>People adapt and meta evolves
So what are your brilliant adaptations to the current suspected and banned mons? You do have teams and builds to show us, right?
Ban the cheese strings and stop fricking up lower tiers because of your inability to address the core problem with the format with scapegoat bans. Simple as.
>STOP BANNING STUFF (except for the stuff I don't like to deal with)
I sincerely would not care less what kind of moronic decisions finch and his troons make if they didn't reverberate into every tier that isn't UUbers. It's tiresome getting ladder reqs every time you homosexuals find another scapegoat playing in your dogshit format just to try and attempt to mitigate your damage elsewhere instead of playing an actually fun format this gen.
As if Gholdengo isn't the biggest scapegoat of this generation.
Gen 9 is a generation of extreme power creep and tera, like all the other gimmicks isn't really compatible with competitive play. Gholdengo is just a particularly obnoxious Pokemon. Getting rid of it is not a solution
For the sake of argument, fine, lets say that's the case. Every time something moronic happens in OU like Finch getting memed on by Volcarona and ragebanning it has farther reaching consequences across other tiers than one moron should have. They'll likely stabilize once gen 10 comes out and you fricks stop shaking all the other formats every month to allow for some organic meta development there, but by then most of the playerbase there will have moved onto Gen 10 lower tiers.
The entire system being connected is no longer a viable model, especially with OU's very 'quirky' choice of council members.
Except most Gliscor teams aren't even running Cheese string man
i love him
*her
>no cute gliscor pictures
you're all doing her a disservice she deserves better then arguing about comp
here you go bro
cute, gliscor must be confy in his poison bath
>gliscor's poison heal
that must feel heavenly
SCOR SCOR SCOR (banned)
By not acting like its type, Ground/Flying is just there defensively
By being a CHADnnoh mon
He's so cute, I want to kiss him
*uses ice beam*
*teras into a type not weak to ice*
>vp whines about how 'smogon doesn't want to ban defensive mons'
>they actually consider banning one
>'noooooo my heckin gliscorino!!!'
>nobody itt will actually get reqs anyways
My new theorum is that if a mon looks cool enough it can get away with anything in the eyes of /vp/. If Gliscor was 1 to 1 swapped with Wormdam or some shit /vp/ would be out for its head right now.
Landorus is ugly as frick, why haven't they banned it yet?
why would they ban it? it nearly dropped to UU this month because it sucks absolute fricking dick..
he lost most of his good moves and is about to drop to UU
Gliscor and Landorus at home won
>all these idiots claiming Gliscor is a stallmon
Way to out yourself for not playing the game. Still it's true that pure stall is showing its ugly face again but the first post is unironically right, as the common mixed set shits on stall. Though it also enables the mixed stall/bulky offense/smogon special gameplay that everyone there loves (for that reason I'm half surprised they're suspecting the scorpion).
Is Crawdaunt too powercrept to use against stall teams?
You could probably make it work. It's still holding on in UU.
It's still fine and MUs very well into other team styles but it really hates Tera. Offensive Tera has fricked calcs with Adapt so you don't get the full benefit and common defensive teras like fairy and water resist one of its stabs which is a death sentence for something as frail and reliant on KOs/forcing things out as the crawfish.
There's also other breakers like Luna and Psyshock Nego that sorta role creep it while not having as big of downsides.
Okay I know by Luna you mean Ursaluna
But what the FRICK is “Nego”?
String Cheese man
I have a habit of spelling it's name wrong for some reason
More likeCrawdaunt is too spedcrept to do its job correctly.
Even if you used DD and are at +1, still gets outsped by common Pokemon, every Scarfer on the planet, and gets revenge'd easily against Paradox Mons.
>but its a stallmon!
>but its not a stallmon!
you are all missing the point. gliscor is simply a mon that isnt strictly offensive that can abuse passivity of balance cores or pivots in OU. Sure stuff like clefable is immune to DOT and doesnt mind knock off but you dont gain much of an advantage by having clefable sitting in on a passive pokemon. Gliscor benefits so much from it that it can outheal stealth rock damage just by switching in on a non attacking move. if you stay in, it can knock, toxic, spike, or SD and its entirely unthreatened by the holy trio of defensive cores, Knock, status, and chip. its already poisoned, doesnt need its item, outheals all your chip, and you cant grind down its recovery PP because it recovers naturally. Theres no wall in the game that can contest gliscor except a second gliscor. For this reason its wrong to call gliscor a stall mon, its purpose this gen is to completely abuse do-nothing passive cores. you cant use the rest of your defensive core to deal with gliscor so you have to either absorb a knock/toxic/eq on one of your offensive switch ins, or you play passively and let it recover all its HP while spamming spikes. The only way to play around gliscor effectively is to pressure it offensively.
>bro just lure it and use ice coverage
scouted by protect
>bro just bring defog
every single defogger in the tier loses to it and it has more spike pp than defog pp
The fact of the matter is gliscor is the only way for passive teams to deal with opposing gliscor and offensive teams really dont need to worry about building specifically for gliscor since it doesnt have any do-nothing pokemon to abuse on your team.
Anyways im voting DNB for the suspect test.
Smogon OUgays got mindbroken when Tera avoided any action and are still seething about it to this day. Instead of accepting the meta for what it is, that being highly offense-focused and centralized around Tera mindgames and specific matchup preparation, they are desperately trying (and failing) to recreate gen 8 OU in its entirety.
And who gets to decide that?
>recreate gen 8 OU
Why the frick would they do that? They don't even like gen 8 OU.
because it's all gayinator knows how to create
>Implying tera encourages mindgames
Lol it just make the entire game depend on a singular 50/50 flip
it was mindblowing that smogon users just refused to ladder in the tera suspect because they thought it was a shoe in to ban it. they deserve their shit meta for being too stupid to participate in suspects and i think they learned their lesson with the massive ban% on things like blood moon and roaring moon
Tera is either going to end up banned by the end of the generation or Smogon is just going to give up and decide that Gen 9 is going to be one of THOSE gens (alongside Gen 2 and Gen 5).
It seems like anything that would require out the box thinking mindbreaks them.
Soon Gliscor will be banned and you can add it up to 28 pokemon under 600-bst that smogon says is too strong to play against. Even though they could all just be in OU playing against each other.
Half the Pokemon on that list aren't banned, the frick are you smoking?
Their best tools has been banned. Same thing as being banned.
Theres always been a large amount of smogon dick suckers on this board.
meant for
>gothitelle
what? they cant just ban shadow tag? or did gothitelle get some kind of huge buff in fanfic?
They did just ban Shadowtag. Houndstone, Dugtrio, Cyclizar, Basculegion, Glalie, Scovillain, and Gothitelle aren't banned.
UUbers when
Magearna is banned? i just thought it wasnt available this gen. shit would be so cash against all these damn darks and fairies
It was already Ubers last gen, and hasn't lost anything between gens.
ah damn, i skipped gen 8. why did it get banned?
It snowballs very easily with several different sets. It should have been banned in gen 7 too.
Soul heart is moronic and its broken with calm mind
It got some massive moveset buffs in Gen 8. Moveset and Pokemon cuts removed a lot of its counters.
By being my cutie pie
>Gliscor has been around since gen 4
>no one complains about it
>gen 9 introduces tera types
>now everyone says it's too good
When will smogoon admit that tera is the real problem? Either ban tera or adapt to the new meta game.
>He doesn't know about Gen 5 Glicscor
How exactly do they decide which mon should be banned?
Kingambit has the highest ou usage right now, and yet he doesn't get banned
>Inb4 machop used rock smah
Yeah and swinub used powder snow, and yet gliscor is apparently too much. The whole defencive tera "argument" isn't an argument at all because all mons can tera
If it hurts stall they ban it. Gliscor can't be statused and heals off weak stall mons attacks so its too strong against stall so they want it banned.
But then why don’t they use Gliscor on their stall teams?
Why is Garganacl UU?
This was mostly due to a reaction to Bloodmoon straining teambuilding, It'll likely be OU by next month.
Kingambit was suspect tested and got a ~56% ban vote. It needed 60% ban to get banned. A lot of other bans as well as returning Pokemon have alleviated some of the issues with Kingambit. Catching it with a Will-o-Wisp is huge. Not to mention the increase in viability of other wincon sweepers like Robot Volcorona, troony Gallade, Wet Ogerpon, and Gliscor.
cute mon!
If you hate that Smogon keeps banning your favorite toys, how about the majority of you gather up reqs so you can vote DNB en masse stuffing the voting everytime until they do something about it instead of doing nothing but seething and chewing on sour grapes on the Mongolian basket weaving forums?
But that would require me to play Pokemon beyond seeing the credits of the story!
They already banned a bunch of stuff without even doing a suspect test. Plus the majority of the smogon player base are just smogon dick suckers without brains of their own that will automatically side with smogon just because they decided to suspect something so its going to be banned either way. I been stopped playing smogon rules when they banned dynamax but sometimes I still post about how shit smogon is.
>They already banned a bunch of stuff without even doing a suspect test.
As they should. No need to waste time voting on Regieleki when it was obviously shitting up the tier with its ridiculous BoltBeam combo. Same for the likes of Flutter Mane. People are upset at Smogon for wasting time suspecting things like Ursaluna-BM that end up with a 90%+ ban vote since it was obviously busted and that time spent on testing Ursaluna could've been spent on less obviously broken Pokemon like Gliscor, Gholdengo, Iron Valiant, and Iron Moth.
I think Booster Energy should get suspected before Valiant or Moth.
Booster Energy isn't busted on Brute Bonnet, Scream Tail, Iron Treads, Great Tusk, Slither Wing, Walking Wake, Iron Leaves, Sandy Shocks, or Iron Thorns.
What's your point? Baton Pass isn't busted on Pyukumuku.
Baton Pass was a busted strategy that Smogon desperately tried to keep around with all sorts of limitations to try and keep it balanced and legal. Banning it was a last resort of sorts. Booster Energy is only broken on a small handful of Pokemon. Banning it because of Moth and Valiant would be like banning Eviolite because of Chansey or banning Choice Scarf because of Chi-Yu.
Booster Energy is the sole reason those two Pokemon are broken, without Tapu Koko being in the game.
Iron Valiant and Moth have other sets than Booster Energy that makes them strong. Again, you wouldn't ban Eviolite because it makes Chansey busted, you'd ban Chansey.
Chansey is one Pokemon.
Chansey isn't the only Pokemon that gets a viability boost from Eviolite. Gligar, Scyther, Dusclops, and so on all benefit from it heavily.
None of those Pokemon are anywhere near OU.
Neither is Chansey, but the point still stands. The item is fine on most Pokemon that can use it, it's just busted on a small handful of Pokemon.
>The item is fine on most Pokemon that can use it, it's just busted on a small handful of Pokemon.
The small handful is what gets most items/moves banned. Valiant & Moth are busted due to Booster Energy, and their usage of that item reaches into the 90s the higher you get on the ladder.
>The small handful is what gets most items/moves banned.
Not true. Greninja was banned in Gen 6 instead of Protean because Kecleon wasn't busted with it. Cinderace was banned in Gen 8 instead of HDB because most things weren't busted with it. Half of the Pokemon that learned Shed Tail were banned before the move was itself.
You're still posting singular examples.
Also, Booster Energy is the #1 most used item for both Pokemon by a gigantic margin.
>scarf on set up mons that also have booster energy
based morons.
>Dynamax is le balanced
stop reading right there.
The people here that play already do that you absolute fricking mongoloid.
Finch when he gets asshurt enough.
>The people here that play already do that you absolute fricking mongoloid.
No the frick they don't lmao
N-no! I-i-it doesn't.
I'm just taking a time of my day to appreciate a gliscor thread. I'm moved!