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>Minor character
Cloud literally wouldn't exist if not for him
He appears like 3 times in the original game and 4 times in the re-release for the international version
And even in VII he's shown saving Cloud's life and inspiring him as a role model.
Bro, he is pivotal to the whole story. He's not a minor character.
Compared to what he became later he is absolutely a fricking minor character in VII
Crisis Core would have you believe this guy was the second coming of Jesus
it' was all fricked. what happened to genisis?
>what happened to genisis?
Went into self imposed exile under Midgar
He is not pivotal to the story. You can complete the whole game without even knowing he exists. He’s a footnote. You can’t say that every character that did something significant in someone’s past is “pivotal.” Zack is as pivotal to the original FF7 as the guy driving the pickup truck that took Cloud to Midgar.
>i am literally a moron: the post
Clouds entire character arc is that he was experimented on and so mindbroken that he stole the entire history and past of someone. That someone is Zach. How is that not important when Cloud is the main character?
He didn't steal his past only his job title and mannerisms
His adopted personality was nothing like Zack's (Too abrasive and cold) and his personal history remained his own
>He didn't steal his past
Bullshit you didnt fricking play the game if you think this. He literally thought it was him at Nibelheim and Tifa had to lie straight to his face knowing full well it was actually Zach. Stop fricking posting, I am literally playing this game right now and just got to that part.
That's not his past, stealing his past would be like Cloud thinking he was mentored by Angeal
>That's not his past
You're right, its not his past because it wasnt him, it was Zach. You're a fricking autistic moron.
NTA but you're also a moron for not including the rest of his post that clarifies what he's talking about.
In fact, you're more of a autistic moron piece of shit for taking a fragment of his post and using that as the whole thing, you disingenuous frickwit.
>NTA
Uh huh Im sure. Cloud steals everything from Zach that Zach tells him. He isnt told about Ageal so he cant possibly steal that. Its really as simple as that.
Cloud knew Zach was from Gongaga but he didn't start thinking that was his hometown
aeris was zack's girlfriend, but cloud remembers tifa the hottie
zack new he was going to die so he hooked cloud up when he was comatose
>Zach
I don't know why I'm bothering to even entertain your moronic ass that can't even spell the characters name correctly.
You're an idiot
>y-you're an idiot
clown
Does your ESL ass not understand what a "minor character" is.
I would definitely argue that Zack is a supporting character, more than a minor character
uooh?
He fricking larp as Zack stupid how is he a minor character ?
FFVIII's plot wouldn't exist without Hyne. I guess he's a major character now?
Anon Zack was a minor character, he only appeared in like what two cutscenes?
those cut scenes were hidden in the game though. you had to work for them
The only one that's hidden is the one of him getting Cloud out of the manor
I already posted the hidden fmv of zack hitch hiking his way to Midgar in the truck
That's all part of the same sequence anon
no it would stop if you didn't do certain things in the game.
see
he was minor up until autists on message boards in the early 2000s started having sexual attractions to him
yeah and cloud wouldn't survive if his shoemaker didn't make shoes for him
>big feet
>Cloud literally wouldn't exist if not for him
Confirmed, Cloud's mom is a main character.
She would be if they had a pivotal escape scene together and she got shot and caused him to have a mental breakdown that causes him to hide in a fake identity for 90% of the game
sephiroth raped her then set her in fire
maybe/yes but her fate is weirdly unimportant to the story
it was kind of sad
No, you see I haven't watched Cloud's optional origin story when I was a kid watching a FF7 Let's Play, so that makes it not important. You're also not allowed to expand on any characters if you ever got the chance later on I am very smart
when I was a kid I just played video games
Clouds mom is also a minor character.
he was minor, it wasn't uncommon to ask the average 7 fan back in the year of release that had finished the game what they thought of Zack and they'd have no clue who tf you were talking about.
most people didn't know when ff7 came out. even the strategy guides didn't mention it
>Cloud's mom isn't a minor character, he wouldn't even exist if not for her.
To be fair, Zack was "The Guy" but he never got mc plot armor.
Kek literally this. Cloud doesn't even get close to Zacks level until Advent Children, and even then Zack was always fighting solo. Cloud/Zack are probably one of the best examples of plot armor vs actual capabilities.
wrong. cloud gets past zack's level when he kills sephiroth and knocks his ass into the life stream with jenova's head at mt nibel
Which only happened after Zack gave Sephiroth the toughest fight of his life. This is 100% canon.
the real enemy is genisis
>Which only happened after Zack gave Sephiroth the toughest fight of his life.
Seemed like Zack was treated like an annoyance rather than a challenge for Sephiroth at that time. Unless you mean everyone he fought until then was worse then that, then you're probably right.
Only the original FF7 is canon. Everything else is fanfiction nonsense.
Inexplicable anomalous event. I don't think even the writers know just how Cloud did that.
I don't think the writers think at all.
This tbh. It was barely passable back in the day but if they pull the same scene in Rebirth without going into further detail then it's gonna be cringy as frick
it's like legend of Zelda. they just make shit up on the spot when it comes to time lines
The entire Cloud vs Sephiroth scene even in Crisis Core is entirely deliberate and thought out. Cloud literally jobs to a fricking monster 30 minutes before and has to be carried back to the village where he bemoans that he's weak because he's not in SOLDIER.
But when Tifa was really in trouble, Cloud is just as impressive as any of the SOLDIER dudes. Not because he has the same power level as them but because the entire point is that in that moment the power of wanting to avenge his mom/town and save Tifa is stronger than any quantifiable strength Sephiroth has.
Cloud's entire story is about how the hero was inside him the entire time he just needed to realize it.
Based on everything we see JENOVA is braindead after her defeat at the North Crater, only the cell impulse to reunite remains and her body is puppeted by Sephiroth's will throughout the entirety of 7 and afaik Ultimania confirms this
Except they entirely overplay Cloud's overt insecurity in the additional material.
That didn't exist for him in the original game.
He always kept that to himself, until they decided to rewrite that part.
The only change they made was making him confide more in Zack, his insecurity is a huge part of his character even in the original to the point where you can literally explain nearly every
>Why did Cloud--
question
with "Because he didn't want Tifa to reject him or think he failed"
But that's a huge part of it.
The reason Cloud fricking loses it is because he kept all of that inside. That's pivotal for him, that he can't confide in others and show weakness.
He acts normal with Zack and around Sephiroth and his mook buddies.
Making them besties, instead of Zack being a superior Cloud looked up to changes a lot about the story.
And yeah I don't like it one bit, because it doesn't fit with the rest of his character. (like him putting up a front vowing he'll become part of SOLDIER)
>The reason Cloud fricking loses it is because he kept all of that inside.
The one guy he confided in literally died in front of him though
Also even in the original him and Sephiroth have some stilted banter like Sephiroth asking him about revisiting his home town
All the interactions we see in the original don't really show that Cloud confides in them. Not about his insecurities.
It's the same thing with Avalanche, he's guarded with them too.
Only in the end does he come to terms with who he is.
>Cloud's overt insecurity in the additional material
>That didn't exist for him in the original game.
Say what now? That was the core of his character.
This is later on when he finally acknowledges the truth of what happened to him, right?
Before that, he still maintains the veneer of the ex-SOLDIER.
His ex-soldier persona was always an insecure facade of who he actually is. Cloud's idea of what a cool hero is supposed to be, one who can stand next to Sephiroth in a fight. He isn't actually cool in that sense. You can see all of that get dismantled when he has to dress up like a pretty girl to arouse Corneo
>You can see all of that get dismantled when he has to dress up like a pretty girl to arouse Corneo
No you can't, or you're talking about the remake.
Also, you ignored everything I said before that.
I said his persona (or rather his facade of someone self-assured), is a personal struggle, not one that he shares with others until much later.
>No you can't, or you're talking about the remake.
Yes you can. Play the original game.
>Also, you ignored everything I said before that
Like what?
>not one that he shares with others until much later.
And what I said was that his overt insecurities were always part of his character. Whether he outwardly expressed them or not doesn't matter there. He had them from the start and he shows them in his ex-soldier persona as well be it through unneeded snipped remarks that don't help anyone or when he swallows his pride not being able to face Tifa
>And what I said was that his overt insecurities were always part of his character. Whether he outwardly expressed them or not doesn't matter there. He had them from the start and he shows them in his ex-soldier persona as well be it through unneeded snipped remarks that don't help anyone or when he swallows his pride not being able to face Tifa
I didn't deny his issues. I just said that he wasn't open about them (like being chummy with Zack).
That was the initial point I made.
That's why I said
>overt insecurity
He hides it effectively until he chooses not to. That you might pick up on anything is not relevant to that point.
I think a lot of what the adjacent material misses is that the point isn't just that Cloud stops pretending to be someone else, he becomes self-aware. And he ends up having a sense of humor about it and becoming more compassionate to people he was previously distant toward. Like making a cheeky joke at something Barret used to say right after his rousing speech about coming to terms with who he is, and making sure that anybody who's in his cause is there because they want to be. The material afterwards treats Cloud like that self-actualization never happened, like they were more focused with an "on-brand" depiction of the character that didn't alienate anyone who never got past disc 1 of the game.
It was a great scene, at that point in the story he's a failure but in a desperate moment he displays hysterical strength and fricks Sephiroth up. You couldn't lift someone via the sword they've impaled you with in real life but it's realistic enough in the setting.
Not everything has to be determined by stats and power levels.
are you talking about cloud limit breaking against sephiroth when he impaled cloud with Zack's sword at mt nibel?
Yes, when Cloud drops him into the lifestream
I thought that's what was being called a cringe scene
I liked it because it was the truth after all the lies
Yes, that too
Like I said, great scene
I'm not sure exactly what is supposed to be cringe about it unless someone's hung up on "power levels" or something
>Inexplicable anomalous event. I don't think even the writers know just how Cloud did that.
It's called the power of love and HEART
This.
FF7 is allegorical, not meant to be fit with powerlevels.
Pretty much. The music carries it. Everyone loves how the main theme swells as Sephy is tossed into the Lifestream.
>Inexplicable anomalous event. I don't think even the writers know just how Cloud did that.
The characters were humans in OG FF7. Obese corporate board members could fight against the main party.
Sephiroth was a very strong war hero, but that is all he was. If you ran him over with a car, he would still die.
How did sephiroth impale that snake on that tree then? Really complex fulcrum system?
it was jenova
>How did sephiroth impale that snake on that tree then? Really complex fulcrum system?
That is Jenova, which most certainly is not human.
Ah fair enough, haven’t replayed 7 in nearly a decade now, must’ve misremembered that beat since it comes pretty close after the bit at the top of shinra hq.
you never see sephiroth until you see him in that big crystal in the northern crater where the weapons come out. every instance of him before then is jenova transformed into his appearance.
>BAH GAWD
FRICKING KEK actually got a good laugh outta me thanks anon
nice
Thats also how you explain sephiroth dying to cloud. Flashback sephiroth is the only human sephiroth. As another poster said yes hes powerful but he is HUMAN he can get headshot and die. So cloud ganks him with adrenaline and manages it. Also its not like he 1v1d him he threw him into mako/lifestream to kill him.
Its entirely unlikely but believable for cloud to kill seph there, he also was distracted by jenova
>The characters were humans in OG FF7
Sephiroth was very specifically not just a human.
Cloud and others with mako infusion were not just humans either, they had substantially enhanced durability/strength/speed.
Obese corporate board members could fight against the main party because other than Cloud and arguably Vincent, the rest of the humans are just normal humans with no powers.
>Cloud and others with mako infusion were not just humans either, they had substantially enhanced durability/strength/speed.
Yep, still just human. They can be captured, tied up, beaten up just like anyone else. It's just harder.
You fight SOLDIER 1st class as regular enemies in the game.
>hojo killed ghast and pumped that kid full of mako drugs
He surprised him and made him slip off of a small pipe let's not get crazy now
Sephiroth was mesmerized by Jenova as this was a moment that rattled him to the core, so Cloud had an opening to frick him up good. Also adrenaline rush and seeing red.
>mentioning AC
IDC about your anime bullshit milking.
Until FF7R, where he gets the plot armor but everyone else dies in that new timeilne.
i finished crisis core reunion a week ago and i loved its battle system. too bad it was way too easy tho, the game plays beautifuly
The different mini games in each chapter were a huge turn off for me. I dunno why they thought they would be a good idea to add.
It's amazing how little they changed the combat from the original, yet how much better Reunion feels to play.
Went from a 2/10 in combat to a 7/10 remastering it without its hack director. Curious.
He originally wasn't supposed to be in FFVII. Which is why he appears in so little of the original game outside of two scenes. One is so late in the production of FFVII they basically put it in as a bonus sequence on Disc 3 in Nibelheim Manor.
>One is so late in the production of FFVII they basically put it in as a bonus sequence on Disc 3 in Nibelheim Manor.
Which wasn't there in the original version, btw. That got added for the US/International release, like Ruby/Emerald Weapon.
Makes sense. Zack's design was originally Cloud's, his slicked-back black hair was supposed to be a contrast to Sephiroth's flowing white/gray hair. The iconic spiky blond was implemented after they thought the other design didn't leave a distinct enough silhouette with PS1's low poly. Guess Nomura had a soft spot for the design to wind up repurposing it.
>He was truly meant to be the hero
SOUL
Zack is a much better character though. Cloud is a self-insert like Link.
It must be nice to go into threads and talk about games you’ve never played before.
What a fricking moron
Would you like it if Rebirth pulls out a MGS2 type of intro, where you play as Cloud and his friends for a portion of a game, and then it turns into Zack's adventures for the rest of it?
No but I semi expect that to be what actually happens sadly
This actually happens in the Ever Crisis intro.
>you’re thrown into battle with Sephiroth
>halfway through the fight Cloud has a schizo freakout and is replaced with Zack, whom the player then controls
cloud was a little turd in crisis core
I'm expecting that to be DLC after Rebirth releases where you play as Zack and some other party member he recruits, maybe Cissnei, Kunsel, or Genesis?
Johnny party member or no deal.
>what an butthole
>we'll kill them all little brother
Is he blowing him?1
they can't move at all because of the mako sickness. it looks like it though
>Prostitutes, Cloud. That's what you an' me are gonna be.
>they fricked us cloud
>time for revenge
Zack is KINO
am I the they only one who unlocked zack's final stand in the original ff7?
I like Zack, but his new ENG VA is so fricking bad. I play in ENG for Barret, but I'll be tempted to switch if the Zack portion is too big.
they should get the guy who voices spike spiegel to play zack's voice
I was on an airport shuttle bus behind Steve Blum once, at the end of a convention. He was talking to somebody else the whole time and it was weird as frick hearing Spike's voice going on about random everyday shit.
man that's awesome. he also voices every storm trooper in the 3d star wars tv show
>star wars rebels
while no one will ever replace rick gomez as he was literally perfect, the new guy does a good job in some places, and is a tragedy on others. i honestly think it's a voice direction problem.
Sure, like I feel bad for the guy if he wanted to do another take and the director wienerblocked him. At some point though, you have to start getting things right the first time.
Steve Blum
Friendly reminder that a good portion of the game you will be controlling Zack as he joins the Turks and goes after Sephiroth.
I’ve been avoiding trailers (not for spoilers, I just don’t care and will wait for reviews) - is there seriously a trailer that shows the entire party dying? This reeks of KH3 hype season where they showed all the major plot beats in advance and people had the story figured out months before launch because of it; have they learned nothing?
It shows the party, unconscious, being put into helicopters or trucks after a disaster.
According to the TV announcer, a tornado hits sectors 0, 1 and 2, and they're alongside the victims.
People are just assuming they're dead in Zack's timeline but that's far from being confirmed. They could just be unconscious. It could even be fake news.
It's everyone except Cloud. My theory is they died because Cloud wasn't with them because he was with Zack.
Sure. We have no idea what happens to Cloud in this timeline.
That said, I honestly dislike the whole timeline bullshit because those were the worst parts of 7R. They did mostly a good job when it came to cutscenes and dialogue that was only expanding on the original ones.
Every time they talked about the ghosts and FATES it was so dissonant. They had some good, well written scenes between characters, even heartfelt ones, and then suddenly you have this chuuni, 12yo shonen speech about fighting fate itself and changing the future in an incredibly trite, childish way of addressing the original games and breaking the 4th wall. I don't like to use the word cringe but that stuff is the definition of it.
OG FF7 alongside the new timeline and fate shit is a serious whiplash when it comes to writing and plot quality.
I'm okay with them changing stuff, but they way they did it is just bad. It's like a small childing inserting their writing in a game with mature elements. It's fanfic tier and really jarring when put alongside the actual good and fun cutscenes and dialogue choices. Those moments are embarassing.
I wanted to disagree with you, but everything you said had nuance and correctness. I like 7R, but man it's cringe at times.
Huh what? There's time traveling in books?
Made a variant of this single timeline theory that seems to be doing the rounds since Rebirth trailer. I'm not sure if I believe in it, though.
This is the theory I think happened.
I guess technically I should word it like this since FF7 still hasn't played out for the most part in the timeline
I fricking hate this so much.
Time travel is the dumbest shit in fiction.
How am I supposed to care about anything if there's infinite timelines as a result of Sephiroth and Aerith magicking themselves through time???
The stakes are completely removed. How could anyone feel any sense of urgency, or loss?
FF7 is now Rick and Morty
Yeah bro just kys theres other yous in other universes
>How am I supposed to care about anything if there's infinite timelines
What? That still leaves the original people dead
Means nothing if timelines merge (and they will). But that's under the consiration there are multiple timelines.
Not really. You see in Rebirth how other versions of Barret, Tifa, Aerith and Red XIII have died. There is currently two Clouds roaming around, one being the Remake guy who came from his timeline and the other one who is a vegetable mumbling reunion getting to Jenova since no one can take care of him.
You'll still follow the characters as if nothing happened to them. At best they'll be confused that other 'versions' of them died.
>You'll still follow the characters as if nothing happened to them
Anon. The first trailer had Zack talking to the gang about this. The whole theme seems to be about what is fact and what is fiction now that they are in complete uncharted territories. It will be the plot of the game.
Zack and survival gang already have interaction? I may lean more towards
then after all.
Zack is supposed to be the guy you never really see.
The 'really strong' guy who really just ends up jobbing.
But then they wanted edgy games with him because reasons. In short: Zack sucks as an MC. Literally nothing more boring.
After decades of Shinji protagonists, an honest, hard working and talented dude who just wants to do the right thing, while world continues to be a shitty place, feels fresh.
'Shinji protagonist' is disingenuous. Because that's definitely not Cloud.
There's plenty of MC's like you describe. And they're usually boring as frick.
>There's plenty of MC's like you describe
In post EVA media, there really isn't.
>this paint-by-numbers hero archetype is refreshing
Shonen manga written for 12-year olds would blow your fricking mind.
Silver-age capeshit comics would probably make you jizz yourself
>waaaaaah its not pushing boundaries or questioning things!!!
Frick off with your need to shit everything up with philosophical angst. Nobody cares if you're so cynical and jaded that you can't relate to classic heroic ideals. Oh
People like human characters with flaws, because that makes the triumph all the more satisfying. Sorry that you’re too autistically caught up in black and white, and trying to stick it edgelords living rent-free in your brain, to acknowledge something storytellers have done since the dawn of time you cum-chugging buttbaby.
Is that hair achievable natty?
no
>ultimate spiky hair'd frick
Fricking hell why were the nips so incompetent at 3D for so many years?
They were king during the ps1 to PS2 era wtf are you on about
>minor character is better than the entire cast, is actually heroic, and tragically dies.
there's no wonder why fans love him, he's a zillion times cooler than cloud
Zack is the best thing that happened to 7
He's a big guy
I like how zack gives cloud half of his outfit
why aren't the fujoshits or fugtrup making porn of these two? fricking ridiculous.
because they are two white males
holy fricking fujo bait
was this in crisis core reunion?
It's a fan render. CCR looks like a mobile game.
Considering Cloud is wearing Tifa's weapon I am guessing this is a mod, a model replacement, Cloud replacing Tifa and Zack replacing Cloud.
Reminder that he died like a dog in the original game when two mooks shot him.
Even worse, a characters written like a Saturday morning cartoon.
Who cloud?
>minor
Confirmed for never playing the original
He's a minor character dawg. A literal walking plot device.
>Confirmed for never playing the original
He was a huge part of the plot. Was a key part of every major character's backstory and his actions drove many of the games core events. You'd have to be actually moronic to not think subsequent content would give him way more screen time
>Zack is a key part of Tifa, Barret, Vincent, Yuffie, Red, and Cait story
lmao
He's a key part of Clouds story and a key part of Aeries story and that's it. The rest of the cast has zero to do with him other than Tifa meeting him once a few years ago.
zack is only involved with cloud aeris and sephiroth in the original
>Tifa, Barret, Vincent, Yuffie, Red, and Cait story
>Major
I get you're pretending to be moronic, but the only "Main" characters in the game are Cloud, Aeris, and Sephiroth. The games core plot conflict, the death of the planet and Jenova's hijacking of the life stream, revolve around these three characters. Cait fricking Sith doesn't even have a side quest. He's probably got under 40 lines of dialog in the entire game. Tifa comes the closest, but even she is just an extension of Cloud's story. Zack unironically is more involved in the core plot than every character you listed.
I'd include Tifa as a main character. She is a Cloud orbiter but out of the 5 key moments of the game she's involved in like 3 of them
tifa is my favorite character in ff7. she had the highest damage out put in the game once you get her ultimate weapon and unlock her final limit break. I always wait until cloud is comatose to do the gold saucer too. Tifa always wins the chocobo races with my gold. I always name my gold chocobo GUN
Cid has the highest damage limit break with Highwind. It hits 18 times, so once you hit damage cap of 9999, it can't be topped. Barrett has an 18 hit one, too, but it does half damage, so it take longer to reach the damage cap.
no he doesn't. I've played this game 100 times and maxed out everyone. Tifa actually does more damage than Cids highwind if you have we set up with materia, and manage to get hits on every roll of her limit break
if you don't believe me that's fine, but I've written my on faqs for this game that put all the rest into the dirt.
>maxed out everyone
Does this include farming the submarine dungeon place for stealing the +Stat modifying items to give 99 in all stats? Do people actually take the time to do this?
yup. source farming with yuffie
People? No.
Turbo-Autists? Absolutely.
it only takes about 15 hours
Anon...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/ps/197341-final-fantasy-vii/faqs/30493
it's a common misconception thy Cid does more damage. I have numbers
But how does it ignore the damage cap?
>out of the 5 key moments of the game she's involved in like 3 of them
As a spectator maybe? What major spotlight moment does she have where she is an actual agent of change? Like when does she -do- anything?
>Niblheim Reactor
Just there to show Sephoroth is bad and to make the tie to Cloud's childhood explicit. She doesn't stop him. She doesn't alter events in anyway
>Pushing cloud around in the wheelchair
Again, Cloud is the focal point, and rescuing him is the point. She's just a vehicle to move the plot forward. She doesn't like, have outcomes of her own that she pursues that are independent from following cloud around. Maybe I'm forgetting something? Genuinely willing to accept a reminder
>She doesn't like, have outcomes of her own that she pursues that are independent from following cloud around.
Neither do most heroines, like is Rinoa not a main character in your eyes either?
I honestly don't, but yes you are correct, most JRPG love interests are not main characters. That's like the whole point of what progressive "women in stories" are all about. Renoa MIGHT be an exception because I think she might have been tied up with the Ultimacia stuff in which case it would have been directly her doing stuff? This is exactly the vector along which Final Fantasy 6 stood out, because it's genuinely ensemble. Very few classic RPGs go beyond "protagonist and antagonist are the two main characters and everyone else supports them"
>but the only "Main" characters in the game are Cloud, Aeris, and Sephiroth
It's a JRPG. Excluding a couple of very specific games like Chrono Cross and the Sukiodens, your entire playable party are the main characters in the game.
>I don't know the definition of a "core narrative character" (aka Main Character) so I'll just act like everyone who does is goalpost moving
Yup gays, it's summer time.
>from "every major character" to "main" characters to "core narrative character"
>claims they're not moving goalposts
lmao bro it's not my fault you can't articulate what you actually mean in your posts. thats on you.
It's not my fault you're ESL
>Every party member is a Core component of the plot
>Only characters in the party can be core characters
JRPG novice right here
I did prefer him being just another SOLDIER who happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Him becoming so special in later works is for me pretty emblematic of how extraneous everything in the Compilation feels.
zack is a good character
I'd be inclined to agree, if they didn't do such a good job characterizing Zack. I'd be willing to write him off if he was just another dime-a-dozen mopey, broody JRPG protag, but the fact he's one of the most human protags FF has ever had elevates him a lot, in my opinion and makes Crisis Core the best thing to come out of the Compilation.
>and makes Crisis Core the best thing to come out of the Compilation.
That's not exactly a high bar, of the other major projects one was so shitty that they had to redesign its gameplay before it was released outside of japan and the other was so shitty as to literally be lost and forgotten in entirety.
Never said the Compilation was good to begin with, but in a cavalcade full of flops and half-baked projects, Crisis Core is the only part of it I'd actually salvage.
I didn't mind Cloud throwing Sephiroth into the Lifestream, but I do think the scene would've had more impact if it had began and ended with Cloud back-stabbing Sephiroth in Jenova's chamber, and then have Sephiroth fall into the Lifestream there and then. Instead of summoning an anime power-up, Cloud simply catches Sephiroth off-guard, showing that even the legend can bleed.
cloud had major mako poisoning. he didn't even remember it. he just had enough and limit breaked him. that's why he has that mind frick in the first reactor
It's kind of ambiguous about whether he has an 'anime power up', he just kinda grabs the sword and throws him in
I think of it more as a last burst of strength
SOLDIERs were special, but I agree
it's criminal that they turned his ignominious death into stupid anime dramatic last stand shittery
do you think they'll bring back the black guy with the hat and his black super fast chocobo?
Joey and Teoh. They'll probably make him an actual character who shows up in Gold Saucer sidequests and shit, so when you eventually meet him in the races it's an "oh shit" moment, even for players that don't know him from the original.
that dude pissed me off
>What's that? Your Chocobo's stats cap at 999?
>*laughs in 1200*
>that bastard!!
>shoves greens into my boys mouth
Black Chocobo guy is legendary, they can't cut him.
I can only hope so
he's a good opponent
I'm kind of pissed we didn't get to use tifas martial arts instructer as a side character, and dyne too.
>Dyne
Is he in the remake yet? That side story was incredibly well done.
I played older final fantasy games and I was expecting characters to come in and out of the story. they fricked up when you didn't get dyne in your party even if it was for a short barret storyline
dyne disserves more than just being a mini boss. that's marline's dad
It won't be the same, but Ever Crisis will almost certainly make them playable at some point at least. They've said they're going to include little side-story stuff for characters, and an easy choice for Tifa's is to dip into her training with Zangan. Especially since the latest alt costume they showed for her is based on his clothes.
Not yet, he should be in Rebirth.
sephiroth is fricking dead in the original ff7. it's jenova that's terrorizing the world
It is Sephiroth, but also Jenova. Encountering Sephiroth in the lifestream in the final battle makes it pretty clear he was the behind everything.
>Dyne
>Shera
>Zack's parents
>More Hojo
Supporting character bros gonna be eating GOOD in Rebirth
don't hold your breath
>Gold Saucer
>Kalm chocobo ranch
>Snowboarding
Minigame Chads are the ones who are really gonna feast
There will definitely be Chocobo breeding. The best minigame.
They even put that in First Soldier, so it's 100% showing up.
When did Sephiroth become full gay for Cloud
When Nomura switched from Character Design to Main Character Design
So sephiroth was always gay
Cloud/Sephiroth fanworks simply outnumbers Cloud/Tifa stuff, sorry! SE finally understands the value of the fujo dollar.
tifa makes cloud look like a moron
>Implying he never was full guy
Come on, anon. He is shirtless for no reason when he fights Cloud one last time
Despite being a fujo I'd argue it was because they didn't want to model his jacket and worry about it clipping in funny ways during the fight. I feel like that's also why his hair was blown back away from his body like that.
I always figured it was because his coat got ripped up with his Bizarro and Safer Sephiroth transformations.
Zack is a pivotal character
You just don't see much of him
I used to imagine myself as Zack when I was a kid.
But that was before he got the weird hairdo.
he has always had the spikes
I know, but the I liked him better before his timeskip.
Feels like he did it to look like his mentor.
>Incidental background character with little or no dialogue becomes the object of fixation for legions of autistic fans
Many such cases.
btw the best mini game in ff7 was the motorcycle arcade. chocobo races were #2
Nah it was Fort Condor.
That janky shit was great, only you couldn't repeat it.
fort condor was easy as frick
when I was a kid I was in the middle of getting a high score in here motorcycle arcade and my grandma was coming over to watch over me. I wouldn't unlock the door for her until I was finished. she took my psx away
>let me in!
no!
Cloud was and will always be a poor man's Zack. In fact in the OG FFVII Cloud's personality is just really fricking shit for 99% of the game with no redeeming qualities.
There are plenty of zoomer games with obnoxious mary sue characters for you to play.
You don't have to bring your shit opinion here.
>t. butthurt boomer
Cloud won my heart when he told a little kid not to piss him off during the tutorial segment
>some moron who loves doing squats
Wow, what an amazing character for braindead ESLs to self-insert as.
>absolute chad
>highest tier of special forces on virtue alone
>gets the girl
>has a sensitive side
>still looks out for his friends
>cares about saving the world
>is surrounded by morons who spout philosophy, recognizes it as sophist bullshit and tells them to stfu
>doesn't leave his friend for dead, literally dies to save him
he's a real hero, unlike every other ff character
In other words, Gary Stu.
Nta but no. He just keeps to his ideals, loses everyone he loves and then loses his life. He couldn't bring in the change he wanted and was a tool to Shinra for most of the game until shit hit the fan for him. All he could do his let his legacy live on through another person. Literally.
cope cloud gay
the gold saucer is probably one of the best mini game sections in any jrpg
>Zack's portrait added to the main party before Yuffie, Vincent, Cid, Cait Sith
This is FF7 with Nomura.
Because Crisis Core is in the tutorial for the game. I'm actually surprised we don't have any portraits for the First Soldier gang, since that's in there too.
please post the Tifa portrait, I need it
Here you go, bro.
I really hope they put the alt costume portraits on the site once they come out. Tifa's sexy santa costume for the christmas event is going to be great.
thanks bros, i fricking love Tifa
she the best character in ff7
that is facts (factual)
>my wife
there wouldn't be a ff7 without tifa
>here's a flower
I CAN FEEL THE WARP OVERTAKING ME
it took me about 50 playthroughs and a lot pen and pencil math to determine she is actually the strongest character in the game
here's the best girl
you need some Tiff?
>First Soldier gang
Who the frick cares about caracters from a cancelled mobile game? Has everyone at Shit Enix lost their mind?
Nobody cares about them, but they're part of the young Sephiroth story they've been advertizing.
Seems like they have some sort of grudge against him, considering that story starts back when he's a teen with short hair, but carries on all the way up to the beginning of Crisis Core.
true, the Warrior of Light totally did that
Crisis Core was dumb and ruined everything in ffvii.
that and advent children
Advent Children was just a convoluted excuse to have a CGI sephiroth.
I'm not going to play the remakes. especially when their ethic department prostitute is involved
Tifa is a major character in ff7
Yes and no. FF7 does a moronic thing after Midgar where the party constantly splits up only having them do important shit during big story events. Aerith and Tifa are both technically important to the plot of FF7 but might as well disappear having Cloud be alone if you don't have them in your party during the adventure. It's my biggest criticism of the original game.
you spelled aeris wrong you illiterate moron
Aresiht
>dead c**t
you will never be japanese
I know I'm lazy
at least I can pronunciate
>at least I can pronunciate
Then why are you emulating the pronunciation-inability of the Japanese
her name is spelled Aeris
and Cloud's name is spell Kuraud, right? You brain dead weeb
then speak English instead of LARPing your precious nihongo's limitations
you're the one misspelling the names you fricking weeb
nice stain on your pants moron
it's super glue
these are my hobby pants
what are you making
nothing at the moment. I'm thinking about 3d printers though
ever played regend of Zelda rinku's awakening?
I'm American. I don't have a speech impediment
>Aerith and Tifa are both technically important to the plot of FF7
Aeris, yes, Tifa, no. Like please name one instance where Tifa acts as her own agent with her own objectives within the context for the primary plot. I genuinely can't think of one that's not just her tagging along, serving as a set piece for Cloud's backstory, or parroting Cloud's wishes / pushing his agenda.
What does Tifa -want- in FF7?
>What does Tifa -want- in FF7?
To gaslight Cloud so that she can feel safe
>What does Tifa -want- in FF7?
Cloud
>ifa acts as her own agent with her own objectives within the context for the primary plot.
What is the reason you include these parameters there besides moving the goalpost? Without her Cloud would still be a vegetable. Only her character could do this. She is the reason Cloud confronts Sephiroth in the true flashback. Tifa wants to save the planet and she loves Cloud. What else do you need extra? Like hobbies or something?
>What is the reason you include these parameters there besides moving the goalpost
because that is the goalpost and always has been the goalpost for "plot important characters". Remember this isn't real life.
>"You can't delete Cloud's MOTHER from the plot because then Cloud wouldn't be born!!!"
doesn't hold up when trying to call her Core Character (or Main Character, or whatever other term you want to use) because as an author you can just say "Cloud's a clone or something", boom problem solved. So
>Without her Cloud would still be a vegetable.
Doesn't hold up. He could have just been in his own mindscape, overcome his problems, and then boom, he's out. You can -literally- delete Tifa from these sequences and the stories don't change at all. You -cannot- delete Sephiroth though, because he is the -agent- of conflict. His -wants- define what the cast is trying to prevent.
>Tifa wants to save the planet and she loves Cloud.
>To gaslight Cloud so that she can feel safe
>Cloud
This is the point. She exists only as an extension of Cloud's character.
Aeris on the other hand has her own agency. As the last Ancient, it's her connection to the planet that allows her to oppose Sephiroth and serve as motivation for doing so. She is a whole separate entity who tries to stop him for her own reasons independent of what Cloud is up to.
JRPGs have almost ALWAYS (especially in the 80s and 90s) been light on "core/main" characters. This isn't "bad". Side characters can be charming and likeable and make the story more fun, but you have to ask "If I deleted this character, could the story still exist as it is" and if the honest answer is "no" then you've got a main character. I can't think of an instance where Tifa meets this criteria.
>because that is the goalpost and always has been the goalpost
Yes, and you moved away from that adding criterias like " where Tifa acts as her own agent with her own objectives within the context for the primary plot". You literally don't want already existing examples where she is important to the characters and plot
>because as an author you can just say "Cloud's a clone or something", boom problem solved. So
???? We are talking about FF7, not your headcanon version of the game. If you wanna discuss that go to fanfiction.net
> He could have just been in his own mindscape
Again. We are not discussing your headcanon version where Cloud did that for himself. Tifa guides Cloud through his mind bringing him back. Any writer could have also said Jenova died on her way back home when Sephiroth freed her from her capsule but that didn't happen.
Are you in middleschool? Genuine question
So you got no rebuttal and you only want to debate your fanfiction instead of the game, got it. Say so next time.
The things you've typed literally map to a middleschooler's understanding of storytelling, hence my question. I feel bad when I rip someone on here and then find out they're like 12. Spend less time on Ganker. You will cover the things I'm talking about when you get to Uni. Have a good day, kid.
Bro you don't need to be so defensive of your headcanon events. Just say next time you really love talking about them instead of what actually is there. You sure love "solving problems" that aren't there.
>Doesn't hold up. He could have just been in his own mindscape, overcome his problems, and then boom, he's out. You can -literally- delete Tifa from these sequences and the stories don't change at all.
That's not true at all. How can Cloud fix his memories without Tifa? The reason why Tifa can help Cloud with his memories is because they have a shared history.
>What does Tifa -want- in FF7?
Cloud
And there is literally nothing wrong with that
>Cloud
>And there is literally nothing wrong with that
Agree completely. It defines her as a side character, but there's nothing wrong with that. Lots of side characters are very likeable and indeed are often some of the most popular characters in their games.
>What does Tifa -want- in FF7?
to figure out what the shit went down with her mentally unstable childhood friend
to protect the planet
and just generally be a good and supportive friend, maybe more
is there something wrong with just helping people and causes you care about? Does she have to be searching for her long lost brother or have a dream of being a pokemon master or something?
this reads like you're confusing "is a good character" with "is an important character". Tifa could be removed from FF7 and the game's core story beats would remain unchanged. That doesn't mean she's not a -good- or likeable character at all. Side characters can be some of the most likeable characters in a story.
Lord of the Rings Example:
>One of the core archs is "tiny powerless entity is ask to before herculean labor much more powerful entities are afraid to do, and in accomplishing this task demonstrates that there is power in perseverance in the face of great odds"
>If you delete Frodo, this core conceit changes, or you have to replace him with some other similar entity. The story is fundamentally different without Frodo
>If you delete Samwise, this core conceit does not change. You would perhaps lose some nuance or you might lose some side-commentary on the power of loyalty and friendship, but the overarching story beats remain unchanged. Every moment where Samwise allows Frodo to carry on could be replaced by some other motivator and the core beat of "Frodo carries on" would be retained.
Samewise is a side character, Frodo is a main character. Tifa is a side character, Cloud is a main character.
This is honestly like Literature 101 stuff. I assume people who don't get it are still in highschool or even younger.
'Side character' undersells their importance. 'Supporting character' acknowledges their importance while understanding the story isn't about them specifically
that's ignorant. tons of good side characters in every final fantasy game
Side character, supporting character, I'm not invested in the specific title you give them, I was simply saying that Tifa is a -supporting- character then. Supporting characters are often vehicles of important points an author wishes to make, or they're used as devices to humanize the main character. You can't just say:
>Main character is loyal to his friends
which is understood by most people to be a likeable trait. You have to show that character being loyal to his friends and he thus needs friends to be loyal to.
It's just sort of another way of saying "This isn't their story", but it doesn't mean they don't make important contributions. I'm absolutely fine using the term "supporting character" to articulate this.
I enjoy Crisis Core as a game but, storywise it honestly makes a complete utter mockery of FF7
>You had to be really mentally and physically powerful apt to even get pass the mako treatment
>That 2nd class soldier who was a clutz , depressed or had bad self-esteem and has Zack pass the exams for him
>SOLDIER the way it is portrayed in Crisis Core in terms of military hierarchy genuinely makes no sense and is a clown show
>all morally questionable people were in Public Security or Turks. Meanwhile SOLDIER consists solely of goofballs and goodbois.
>In the prelude to Zacks demise in the OG he is completely exhausted from Hojos experiments and being on the run, he runs of our luck and gunned down like a dog
>In Crisis core he takes on 40% of the entire Shira armed forces
I could keep on going but you get the gist of it.
crisis core is juts a bunch of busy mini games. even the end left you hanging. what happened to genisis?
Black person what are you talking about? who is goofy in soldier?
Zack.
do you think navy seals just blankly stare at walls or lift weights when they're not on assignment?
what the frick did you just say
people can be goofy and still be serious professionals, they're not emotionless robots
you must be new. I was expecting stale copy pasta
there's a blackout going on, what do you expect
I like the black out. it's way better than 2 years ago
when you play legend of Zelda do you call link "rinku"? fricking moron
Pretty sure all the antagonists of the game are from soldier.
>Muh.honour as a soldier
What fricking honor they are PMC dogs at best, the hell was up with his Samurai larp fest.to make it even dumber Genesis was the one who was of noble descent.
Oops forgot pic
>In the prelude to Zacks demise in the OG he is completely exhausted from Hojos experiments and being on the run, he runs of our luck and gunned down like a dog
>In Crisis core he takes on 40% of the entire Shira armed forces
Completely unnecessary melodrama that utterly ruined a great, sober scene with anime garbage
The animefication of FF7 is terrible
Plenty of more dumb moments.
>You know Zack fell through the church roof and met Aerith
Yes the fact that Cloud was wearing Soldier clothes and had a non issued unique Sword wasn't enough for Aerith to get the alarm clock ringing, he also had to fall through the roof to make it more on the nose.
Don't get me started on Cloud and Zacks relationship you'd think they were deployed to the same missions under a extended period instead they were met like once.
Zack is Jenova in disguise in Rebirth
No. Veggy Cloud is a Jenova copy in Rebirth and Zack searches for him since Tifa is dead.
they real antagonist in ff7 is jenova. nobody understands they she is the one being sephiroth back, because everyone knows who he is
>Minor character
The game's biggest plot twist is that Cloud stole his entire identity from Zack because he had a mental breakdown
>Side Girl becomes the main girl in the remake
Tifa was always the heroine
Aerith was just taking care of the mentally ill guy for a bit
Tifa was always a main girl though. Yuffie and Barret were the side girls
>Side Girl becomes the main girl in the remake
good
qt 3.14
Zack is literally the best bro in vidya
ITO ISU SUPERUDDO AERISU BAKA NE
I fully expect the next person who types in the name aerith to fully lock down rinku as a name as well
You've got it backwards, anon.
The "s" is used in the Japanese name because they're incapable of writing or saying "th," same as how they're forced to transliterate "Link" to "Rinku"
aeris weebs are the ones saying rinku instead of speaking properly
Alternative:
Amnesiac anemic crippled twink with PTSD becomes the poster child for eco terrorism in a game about mommy issues and mad scientists.
Zack was the best thing that ever happened to the series and they don't fricking deserve him.
I hope they do something like this again.
One for the Stamp song would be fricking hilarious.
i liked zack in og7. his game was cringe, tho. unplayable slop
HI I'M A SHOUTY MAN
WHATS A GOOD FF TO START WITH
X-2
BRAVELY DEFAULT
Buy a PS5.
Zack is better he is like cloud but without the homosexuality.
this is the best final fantasy game ever made
Beyond contestation.
Final Fantasy Tactics has
>The most mature story
>The most nuanced story
>The best core cast
>The best supporting cast
>The most engaging party-crafting / preparation systems
>The most engaging combat
>The best side quests and optional content
It's just a fricking banger from start to finish.
I like the original and war of the lions, but what pisses me off in the remake is they are can't frick elmdor up and steal the genji gear from him. he's immune in the psp version, and you have to search for it in the new dungeons
Yeah that was lame. War of the Lions irks me because I usually subscribe to "originals are better", but the voiced cut scenes were just such a great addition it's hard to argue against them not making the game better. There are some things I didn't like
>Dark Knight class
>Luso and Balthier cameos supplanting the existing cast as the best characters in the game
>As you said, relegating some old rewards to multiplayer
>multiplayer -banning- "imbalanced" classes
On the whole though, it did a ton for the game while remaining very faithful to the original.
what I really enjoyed was the mog bequeathed powers
I also liked hiring elmdors prostitutes
>hiring
wait like mediator Invitation? No way, could you do this? I've only played WotL once (I replay the original like... every 2-3 years? Have 100% it a dozen times) so I'm sure there are bits about the remake that I'm not aware of.
like
>mog bequeathed powers
What do you mean by this? Was this beast training + Uribo monster line or something?
chill out bro.
>mathematician + dark knight samurai
I always liked that "Unique Swordsman Classes" were relegated to storyline characters. Making any-old-recruit able to be a Dark Knight (and not a Holy Knight, or a Rune Knight, or an Arc Knight.... nope, just Dark Knight....) diminished the mystique imo
you can't never get a way from the ultimate squire. just yell at everyone
>ultimate squire
really dogshit decision to give Luso in Chapter 3, give him the exact same Squire+ class that Ramza has, but give him Chapter 4 abilities before Ramza gets them. Cannot fathom why they did this.
Uber played those gay games. ramza is the best
>I've played them
you've never played fft. every yell ramza does has a permanent effect
ESL? Nothing I said commented in any way on how Ramza's abilities work
speed is key, and when you yell it permanently boosts your regiment
>speed is key
Yeah, that's why multiplayer PvP was dominated by a team of 5 Ninja/Dancers with maxed speed stats with 4x spamming CT-reset while the 5th kills the enemy team
I'm talking about final fantasy tactics. a singles player game
War of the Lions has co-op and pvp multiplayer
it's way better playing it by yourself though. that shit flopped
I agree. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist though.
CT is key to winning
100%.
>5x Ninja/Dancer
>all at 3 faith
>all at 97 brave
>all with blade grasp support
>all with... I think something like 2x Moonsilk Blade? I don't have BiS for WoL memorized.
Shit was almost mathematically unbeatable and it was truly comical that they disabled calculator for being "too strong". The imbalanced jank is part of the game's charm
EZ mathematics. I always like picking samurai abilities, or dark knight
secondary
I prefer tic-tacs ogre.
best final fantasy game ever made
>mfw absolutely obsessed with imitating this dude's hair and physique when I was a teenager
>mfw nearly two decades later, the abuse of hair wax, gel, spray, and clays make sure my hair still has that spikey part at the front, and the doesn't properly fall flat when I grow it out.
My family and school thought I became some kind of goth. No, I just was a weeaboo with a JRPG obsession. Sure as hell did get the attention of girls tho.
Even now, I still kind of think I look semi-decent with the hair slicked back yet slightly spiked at the back. But goddamn was it cringe.
He makes hater seethe. That's good in my book.
Enjoyers know Zack was always important despite barely had screen time in the original game
>He makes hater seethe.
It's going to be fun seeing them play Ever Crisis for the "faithful remake of VII" and have to play Crisis Core to even start the game.
I thought the game was episodic and also is going to have Advent Children, Dirge and Before Crisis
It's split into chapters, but is launching with all of 7, CC, and First Soldier (the young Sephiroth stuff). The tutorial will require you to play chapter 1 of 7, CC, and FS before opening up to let you do the rest however you want.
AC, DoC, and BC will come later, though the interview makes it sound like BC is first up.
>but is launching with all of 7, CC, and First Soldier
Damn that's cool. It's shit that this has to be gatcha instead of a Switch title or something but at least the translation won't be complete and utter garbage
If you're only in it for the story, you'll probably be able to ignore the gacha outside of mandatory free pulls for the tutorial. It sounds like the gacha is more aimed at people who want to do the challenge stuff or want alt costumes (though they mentioned that some of those are from the story too).
I think Wutai would be a good place for that, with the whole teaming up against Corneo part.
>though the interview makes it sound like BC is first up.
All I want out of this whole Remake saga is a playable Turks chapter tbh.
>best hero in the ff world
>best
That's cute. Now make room for a REAL hero
Mandatory
All characters serve Cloud's narrative, Zack, Tifa, Aerith, Sephiroth, etc. Even if they have their own narratives, they all serve Cloud. Zack is being brought back to further develop Cloud's narrative.
Wouldn't be the first time
Zack is based and cooler than Cloud, therefore this is good.
>exterminate anti globohomo, anti corporate, anti capitalist slavery Wutai people with zero prejudice
>BOOO HOOO, MY HONOR AS SOLDIER, WOULD YOU SAY I BECAME A HERO ANGEAL-SAN?
rip in shit bozo
They should make a game about dmob from def jam vendetta
>I'm a b***h
>the GOAT
I hate new video games
Why can nomura only make kingdom hearts now?
>now
it's all he's ever done
Because 99% of the games he ever made where Kingdom Hearts? FF7R was his first directing gig at a Final Fantasy.
repeat that in English
Do you have a problem reading?
nah I was just making fun of it
>do you like being a homosexual?
>stupid homosexual piece of shit
>Brady games
I already beat the crap out of ff7 and half of the things I found weren't even in the official strategy guide
Brady Games a shit. Piggyback were the GOAT..
I when I was a kid I used to make my own faqs.
>watch out for the second disk
I have that one too
I'd tate ff9 as a low game. it's fricking gay
>rate
irrelevant, it's about the motherfricking ass fricking gay ass frick guide
if you know you know
frick off. shove your wiener in mailbox
No, I cant deliver mail anymore, I used too much of it
k
>hey, I'm guessing you've noticed by now this guide sucks fricking dick. we know! pay us more to use the REAL guide over the internet!
The players guide for FF X-2 was basically required
They created someone kino by accident. I'm glad they recognized it.
I like FF7 and FF7R. I wish CC wasn't so hacky at some points but Zack is a cool guy I like to follow as a protagonist. That's my hot FF7 take.
Is the New Threat mod good?
its the definitive version of og7
Which one, the one with both content and rebalance or just the rebalance?
Good cuz Cloud fricking sucks.
You mean hizacks the entire franchise.
You called?
Still tickles me that Kojima suddenly got super autistic about Big Boss' lore during MGS4 and made him the main character of the franchise like sixteen years after Big Boss had been killed off in the MSX games. Big Boss was written very one-dimensionally in the MSX days so it was a pretty fun and wacky ride when Kojima suddenly retconned Big Boss as actually this legendary 2deep4u super-badass who wasn't actually defeated in MG1 and is such a baddass he didn't get killed in MG2 either and this whole time he's been doing cool illuminati shit and blahblahblah. It's really fun and over-the-top but there's a weird autistic seriousness to it that makes me feel weird about Kojima.
In Metal Gear Solid 1, Big Boss was a macguffin. Or his corpse was, rather. His genes were more important than himself. Same with MGS2. Big Boss was a lore-important character but "minor" in the present sense because MGS4 had not yet retconned him to have survived MG2. Even MGS3 portrayed him as the fallible rookie that he was.
But somewhere during the production of MGS4, Big Boss fully consumed Kojima's creative process, and Big Boss hijacked the Metal Gear story until it stopped being made. Every character worships Big Boss, and Kojima is just spinning all this bullshit about Big Boss being the greatest soldier that ever lived or whatever. Greatest CQC master, greatest leader, greatest everything. All this from some schlocky 80s video game villain.
Since this is MGS3 coming up in an FFVII thread, I'm loath to say this with the deluge of "expanded universe" crap FFVII has gotten, but, I always thought an MGS3-style prequel that followed Sephiroth through the war with Wutai that made him a "great hero" would have been cool.
>side character hijacks the romance
>is by far the cutest FF7 girl, probably the cutest girl in the series
>gets no attention
I hate this place . everyone here is fricking stupid
Based Zack is more likable than all of the 7 party combined
I'm trying to play the original FF7 on PC rn, steam version
But the game "runs" too fast. Like the video shit processes before the audio and combat runs at like 5x speed - problem is I can't figure out why
Yes, you need a speed patch or something.
I think it was easier to do on an emulator. The particular problem I had was the bike minigame.
FFVII happened because Cloud wanted to be the awesome badass dude who impresses the girl with the breasts
I'm so fricking sick of Nomura and his moronic ideas. The original FF7 was fine then this moron followed it up with Advent Children which did nothing but ruin Cloud as a character and now he's going full Kingdom Hearts with FF7.
No one is forcing you to engage with anything past FF7 here my dude. Sure you can be angry about there being more but it's already been decades now. Admittely though it's funny that you think this shit is too Kingdom Hearts but Ghost Aerith saving the planet from a meteor after Cloud and his friends, made of a talking Cat robot, a ninja e-girl and an emo vampire cuck, fought an alien hybrid experiment looking like an angel who didn't die before actually, isn't.
Gay Reddit thread full of moronic underaged normie tourists and overgrown manchildren