I'd played WoW private servers like a decade ago before getting into other MMOs on and off, only recently I tried WoW again and found a new appreciation for just how snappy the combat is, everything is rolling out when it should, not xiv's sluggish shite
Frick, yeah nailed it. This is why most games are so hard for me to get into now after being a raider in WoW for over a decade. I also got so into making the most functional and cool UIs that I could, so now I have customization autism. I got so into transmog that if I got a new piece and couldn't mog it, I played just a tiny bit worse. This game ruined me. I'm a goddamn princess. A mean girl.
*girl(male)
Anyway, yeah. Tickrate is so fricking important for online anything. Especially in PvP settings, but it's still relevant in PvE just because of how it feels.
this. all these wow ripoffs never failed to understand that the biggest reason wow is successful is because IT FEELS GOOD TO PLAY. the movement is incredibly smooth, using abilities is responsive and the ui is clean and easy to view at a glance. all these wow ripoffs have never understood this.
Tree of Savior has a 3 month old server from papaya company, I started like a week ago and are around lvl 150 max cap is 480 with 1 main class 3 sublass , I'm Scout/Assasin/Clown and will be Enchanter as last subclass. Currently playing solo
I don't even know there was such a class, I'm new to the game and only started because I saw a thread on /vg/ which had like 10 posts only. After a quick search Plague Doctors are a sublcass from Cleric which would make it a DoT/Support/Curse class, that's nice.
Is the plague doctor class good? If yes I will play your game
I don't even know there was such a class, I'm new to the game and only started because I saw a thread on /vg/ which had like 10 posts only. After a quick search Plague Doctors are a sublcass from Cleric which would make it a DoT/Support/Curse class, that's nice.
Plague doctors are gods in all pvp content, I don’t know how they are in pve I assume they’re not meta though.
so we have 3 ToS anons here cool
Papaya Tree of Savior is alright. All things considered it's still above average from my initial expectations.
I joined a furry guild without knowing and the GM posted a recruitment add with shit like "HAI UWU WE'RE RECRUITINH UWU PAWNY FURRY FRIENDS" , now I need to wait 7 days to be able to join another guild
very based experience this was on papaya server
>mabinogi
Checks out based on the single girl I know who plays it. Still trying to adjust to grinding since I just love its aesthetic. Hope that engine upgrade doesn't frick it up too much. Commerce seems fun, just gotta do that tedius blaanid quest thing since everyone is telling me to do it first
I played WoW for over 10 years and every woman I met on there was an attention hungry turbo-bawd. I was 15 and I met this one girl on there who was in her 20s, we did a bunch of stuff together but she was a crazy b***h.
horizons isnt even in the top 5 XI private servers and, like all new XI private servers, it'll be dead within a year like Kupo, Wings and the PVP server that was only open for a week
if you're gunna play pXI at least do it on a server thats already been up for 10 years
>horizons isnt even in the top 5 XI private servers
Name a server with higher population. >it'll be dead within a year
It's almost a year since launch. There's 2.1k people online right now.
the mmo genre needs to be given up on completely. the modern day troony epidemic has completely ruined them. you can't play mmo's and avoid them anymore, period. and if you engage in the community at all you are guaranteed to have to interact with them and likely become a part of their drama, and if you naysay their mental illness they will have you cancelled and likely banned.
mmo are just not worth it anymore man.
>vocal minority of players are deranged transvestites >implying they don’t shit up everything MMO-related with their self-absorbed nonsense
Anyone who has encountered one knows exactly how bad it is to be subjected to them. Since most of them are “disabled” they spend 24/7 on the game and do what they can to exert every last bit of will they can muster onto it.
problem with your moronation is they weren't a hugbox for them in the past. you're too much of a disingenuous waste of life to accept that and you're definitely incapable of understanding how trying to protect certain groups promotes inequality.
The only part of this that's true is to not play MMOs. The reason predates whatever that poster is talking about by decades. Widespread social media usage turned MMOs from (one of the only) places to hang out online to a place to hung achievements & maximize to show your friends on social media. Playing MMOs pre-Facebook was a totally different experience.
Hi guys, I've been radicalized by screenshots on here. Phantasy Star Online has seduced, and captivated my kink for y2k SOVL aesthetics, and I was wondering if there's any reasonable way to play the game these days? Do you even need to be on a server with population or? Cause I see speedrunners have running this game too.
Play on ephinea, anon. There's anywhere from 120-280 people on given the day and it's loaded with improvements sega never bothered to add. It's on PC only, the server name is the same as I said before.
Hi guys, I've been radicalized by screenshots on here. Phantasy Star Online has seduced, and captivated my kink for y2k SOVL aesthetics, and I was wondering if there's any reasonable way to play the game these days? Do you even need to be on a server with population or? Cause I see speedrunners have running this game too.
keep in mind the translation tool for phantasy star online 2 had a keylog/malware put in there by a troony so he could spy who was using his tool and flaming him on the forums
>with a load of shit side content
the important part that ff14 morons always forget to mention is that 100% of the casual side content is mindless chores for stupid people. you'll have a more engaging gameplay experience playing children's zelda games.
XIV. You can do over half the content in the game for completely free in the trial. If you don’t like it you don’t lose anything. And it’s the best investment since it’s the mmo with the most players currently.
just because asmongold is too stupid to know how to use google trends doesn't mean his opinions magically become reality lol
WoWs been dead for a while. XIV took number 1 spot during sneedolands. I know it’s difficult for you battered housewive cultists to understand
9 months ago
Anonymous
>WoWs been dead for a while. XIV took number 1 spot during sneedolands. >I said so, after all
9 months ago
Anonymous
Oops.
Weird how when even WoWgays admit that XIV at least took number one during the exodus, but have le gotcha that everyone went back and XIV died, yet everything shows that it is still growing during a content drought. Unfortunate for WoWspics
9 months ago
Anonymous
>unironically citing luckybancho as if a 4 month total has anything to do with concurrent numbers
lmao. there's no saving you people.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>luckybancho is suddenly unreliable when it doesn’t fit my narrative
Did you forget 6 months ago when it was spammed in every single XIV IS DEAD thread? Weird how it suddenly is never posted
9 months ago
Anonymous
Its funny how mad you are 14 got a couple months of glory flopped back down. Shadowlands had more players in its final raid tier by over 3 times what ff14 did. 14 hasnt been able beat DF either.
The vocal minority of 14 remains a minority.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>delusions with 0 sources
Lmao sisters better retreat to your discords
The funniest thing about posts like these is that they don't mention how many social features you're locked out of for the trial because it just doesn't matter in XIV, it's not an MMO
WoW allows trials to reply to people who start messaging them at least, XIV you're stuck reading some troony's gradually more unhinged whispers because they don't realise you're on a trial account and not just being ignorant
The funny thing is if they do so you can report them and get them banned you know that right?
I've gotten LGBTQ+ mental illness advertisers banned in-game.
You just have to know how to word things properly. If they put 18+ in their advert that is a reportable offence as this game is rated T for Teen.
The more you know.
As an XIV troony I can tell you that the classes peak in PvP, it's the only place any form of class identity exists but stuff like gunbreaker FFVIII junctioning enemy players to tweak their own moveset, kino. It's also still FFXIV so it feels like you're engaging through a bag of borrowed dicks so it's a hard sell
Dofus
You can play the game just for PvP if you want and reach max level of PvP. There's PvP meta all the way from max level 200 to 50. PvP makes money and it grants good experience. People literally exp tax themselves using the guild system to stay in their favorite PvP brackets. PvPing can be lucrative.
>XIV
having played this trash for 3 years I can honestly say don't bother. it is THE troony factory game. if you do decide to play it, it's only good as a singleplayer story game, it just happens to have other people who you don't really interact with or ever need to, god forbid that you actually do because it has the most sensitive, uppity troony playerbase that will scream YOU DONT PAY MY SUB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! at the slightest criticism of their gameplay.
It always baffles me how bad people are at it when it's literally simon says and the GCD is so slow and classes basically all play the same and play themselves, but the braindead community finds a way. When your game is the most popular and people join it simply because it's the game with the most people, you get a lot of non-gamer types who are just there for the social experience and don't care about playing a game at all(trannies)
Endgame is either collection autism or raiding autism in which you must wrangle 7 other morons to do hardcore simon says in which you have to do 3 things at once instead of just 2, for an extremely minor BiS upgrade that doesn't matter in any of the content whatsoever. It's the most unfun thing I've ever done in an mmo by far, not because of the gameplay either, but simply spending hours trying to wrangle the other morons to do it only to have at the very least one of them shit the bed on it or fail to learn. When you schedule times with a static it starts to feel like a commitment, a job, which I never found fun, and there was always some drama of someone leaving or getting kicked from the static.
As an aside I hate WoW, I'm not a WoWgay, and I played this game for years because I wanted to like it. But it is just not good, it's barely an RPG, there are no "builds," and while it tries so hard to avoid putting players on unwilling grinds, in a way it needs some kind of grind or some kind of payoff because nothing feels worth it at all.
XIV is basically the only relevant MMO that lets me do all the content without making 16 alts that reset all my shit.
Being able to just stay on one character is a blessing that I will never take for granted
>IV is basically the only relevant MMO that lets me do all the content without making 16 alts that reset all my shit.
now if only it wasn't boring as frick.
Conan Exiles
Admittedly haven't played in a couple years at least but it used to be one of the few remaining games you could drop into a server, nothing to your name, and start manufacturing a legend, in the process kickstarting shitstorms with everyone else there that spirals into further clusterfricks until eight months down the line, you've accidentally become the final boss in a blown out castle and are now hiding slain invader's end-game armour in a cupboard and lying through chat about where you put it hoping it'll despawn before they actually find it
FFXIV is a real videogame, it has: >On-rails story (zero choices besides minor dialogue changes) >On-rails exploration (After ARR the game keeps blocking you from exploring beyond where the MSQ wants you) >On-rails rotations (some classes can even excel sheet entire encounters) >On-rails bosses (Boss scripts since Stormblood have close to zero variation, do not react to player behavior in any capacity) >On-rails gear (+ilevel and nothing else) >On-rails dungeons (corridor with two trash pulls and then an easy boss, three times per dungeon).
It's hard to think of a single game with less decision-making involved.
>After ARR the game keeps blocking you from exploring beyond where the MSQ wants you
So beingin able to move between most zones prematurely for some semblance of exploration was actually an ARR highlight and they gutted it afterwards?
t. noped out post-Ultima weapon because it had wasted enough of my time by then
linear RPGs are dogshit Black personman
why do you think games like skyrim or baldurs gate 3 are so wildly popular compared to games like final fantasy 16?
It's mainly because when people buy video games, they want to play a video game. 50 minute stretches where you set down the controller to eat popcorn has nothing to do with being a video game.
>Because the average person is moronic
its because people like freedom and RPG elements so they can customize your character however you want
in ff16 you have the same armor/look from start to finish
its embarrassing for a 2023 game
Anything the game ever had that was even vaguely interesting or RPG-like has been gutted completely by now in service of turning it into a bland tab target arcade game. The players will clap and cheer for this, of course, because the FF14 community are some of the dumbest people alive.
ff14 players / ex-wow players are the biggest shit eaters around
proud to eat pure dogshit right from the tap because its a different, asian butthole this time, only to stick it to the butthole they were surgically connected to before
>ff14 players / ex-wow players are the biggest shit eaters around
That title belongs to GW2gays. They are more delusional than FF14 and WoWgays when it comes to everything. They don't have any good gameplay (raid suck and walled by minmaxer despite being the easiest of the mmo genre, fractal is boring, dungeon is long dead, open world boss grind is unrewarding), social aspect (shit fashion with horrible art style, no housing, no clothing or good emote), pvp (lolbots), and population (they keep deluding themselves as the best mmo while downvoting and banning anyone that says anything bad about the game)
They just (EA) released a new mmorpg called Waven.
It's not as good as Wakfu/Dofus due to it being centered around pad games but the gameplay is really addicting.
The thighs are also really thick.
Neat, I'll take a look at that tomorrow. I hope it just werks on Linux.
WoW on a private server is unironically the best option
You'd think that, but the best one, Warmane, is nothing but gearscore spam and Discord. You can't even do the weekly raid to kill Patchwerk unless you have ICC gear these days.
Warmane is great, best experience playing the game ive ever had. Met some lads from my country and we worked our way from nothing up to HC10. We no longer play but we still talk from time to time
Nuclear cope. Bald man finds the game so mindnumbingly dull that he still isn't even through Stormblood over 2 years after he started playing. Dude would rather play mindless dogshit like Diablo 4 than spend another minute watching wooden characters waving their arms around in cutscenes.
>watches their trailers >constantly talks about it >any time it’s brought up his chat goes into a panic >does nothing but shit on blizz and WoW nowadays
Yup, I am sure am coping.
>watches their trailers >constantly talks about it >any time it’s brought up his chat goes into a panic
Based, literally anything to pander to the cult without actually having to play the game.
Never ceases to amaze me how easy it is to grift to FFXIV players lmao.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>n-no he doesn’t care about XIV >uhhhh actually all that proof that he cares about it doesn’t count
WoW cultists truly are experts at denying reality.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>he loves the game man >he just never plays it because he loves it so damn much
You might be clinically moronic.
9 months ago
Anonymous
you know that people typically play games that they like, right? is this a new concept to you?
>chat would go ballistic whenever he tried >got embarrassed by savage in front of everyone after talking about how easy it would be >rabid WoWgays get exposed as falseflagging as XIV players to get him to stop playing it.
Games too good for him and his audience, he atleast understands that
9 months ago
Anonymous
You deserve a gold medal for those mental backflips.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>n-no you
gottem. I’ll just let you hold the L and move on
9 months ago
Anonymous
4/10, had me going there for a few posts.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>t. brain-rotten XIV cultist
forgot your squeenix forum signature troony bro, don't worry I got you
9 months ago
Anonymous
you know that people typically play games that they like, right? is this a new concept to you?
To be fair he just has a weird hangup with Blizzard titles. He'll play them over other games no matter how awful they get. He's also playing Diablo 4 instead of PoE he's fricking nuts.
He played Overwatch 2 for god's sake. Nobody played Overwatch 2.
I dont even play raid based rotation slop like you.
Just think its funny how much the blizzdrone cult has fallen along the years.
In the end Warcraft3(maybe SC2) was the last good game those shitters released and its time to move on.
Private servers are the way to go when it comes to MMOs now. Find one for a game you like or used to like and play that. There's tons but here's a few recommendations.
>HorizonXI
FFXI, actually a much better mmorpg than XIV could ever be, the drama seems strong here as is the autism levels, if it's your thing though you can lose 1000 hours to it in a few weeks. Just don't go in blind, figure out what you're doing before you make an ass of yourself in front of other players, if you're clueless that's very easy to do here unfortunately. >TERA Starscape
Be the Elin you always wanted to be but never could because frick whaling on a shit game like TERA. Unfortunately, the game itself is still shit, Starscape will skip you to the actual game rather quickly which is an insufferable grind loop in reality, sadly the nature of the game and probably can't be fixed but atleast you can be an Elin and dress up for free. >Project 1999 Everquest
An amazing experience if you can get into it, probably the best of all time. MMORPG never got better than this. It's unforgiving, mysterious, takes forever, you have no maps ingame, if you die you need to do corpse runs, you NEED to interact with other players here, solo isn't an option most times. Thankfully the community is chill af and eager to help eachother out. Kind of amazing really. Its age shows and is a definite barrier of entry though. >PSO:BB Ephinea or PSU Clementine
Gonna group these two together, if you want sci-fi animeshit go for these, don't bother with the dumpster fire that is PSO2 NGS. These are where it's at. >Shin Megami Tensei IMAGINE (Project New Moon server)
This server actually isn't officially out yet, still in beta, a year ago I would've recommended ReImagine(RIP) but this server is shaping up to be a lot better, making the shit builds more viable. Something to keep on your radar if you're interested in SMT or old mmo pservers. There's also the russian server but I don't really recommend it.
no lots of builds like magic bullet and demolition dash and tbh melee in general were almost unplayable before especially when it came to endgame shit.
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I would like to know this, recently finished Strange Journey Redux , how are the SMT Imagine private servers?
There are tools for hosting your own server locally and playing by yourself. You can give yourself whatever items or shit you want then. The story is actually pretty cool, so it might be worth it just for that. If you mean soloing in an actual server I wouldn't recommend it, atleast use the playershops, there's just too much shit to grind, and if you want to SI (like augmenting your gear pretty much) it requires another character to do it specifically built to do SI. If you're playing on New Moon in beta I wouldn't recommend any of that because it's gonna wipe eventually and not many people are playing pre-wipe anyway.
In short yes you can play it solo but your options rn are to play it completely alone, alone with barely any other people, or on a russian server that sucks.
so if I go completely alone, in one of those private servers, it can turn out to be a korean experience eternal grind, is that the only negative thing about it?
9 months ago
Anonymous
Yes, pretty much. Not impossible though. I've seen people do it on ReImagine, but that server got nuked by SEGA sadly.
9 months ago
Anonymous
last question, what do I need to get started on this shit? currently playing tree of savior on that papaya new server but smt was always my favorite and might check it out
9 months ago
Anonymous
There's New Moon server which is in beta and will have a wipe eventually and currently discord-only, here's a link to that: https://discord.gg/4XRhyKCbgx
Your other option is the russian server, here: http://megatenonline.ru/
If you want to make a local server, here's how to do that: https://www.reddit.com/r/Megaten/comments/10dw9rh/definitive_guide_to_make_a_shin_megami_tensei/
9 months ago
Anonymous
a beta server that will wipe + discord invite only? not touching that with a 100ft pole, guess the ru server it is
9 months ago
Anonymous
That's fair. When it comes out of beta it will be the better server though, with the balance changes and all. good luck anon.
9 months ago
Anonymous
what is the end date for the beta? you must be on their discord if you know all of the previous things you posted
9 months ago
Anonymous
Originally it was going to be at the start of september but they're pushing it back again to make more changes. I don't have a date, there isn't one right now.
I assume it's taking long because half the builds in the game were unplayable tier and they're trying to fix that, there's also the matter of drops. In ReImagine they had a fortune card system that mimicked a gacha with ingame points you got from doing dungeons and it was pretty shit. In New Moon they want to have everything drop in dungeons themselves, which seems like it'd have a lot to consider.
plus all the devs are just volunteers, just normal ass dudes trying to get a server for a game they're passionate about off the ground. That's how it is with pservers
Not really. If I won the lottery I would probably take 3 months off doing nothing but playing wow classic, but it’s a time sink and the community is cancerous.
I blame normies for polluting gaming as a whole, because after 2006/2007 every genre in the industry had gone to shit. WoW doubled down on convenience measures during TBC/Wrath and it has the same loops and incentives you see today, focused entirely on instant gratification and nothing for the long term. only now it's extraordinarily optimized for the lowest common denominator to have fun in the equivalent of a kiddie pool. that extends to almost every modern MMO game.
Well that and the schizo morons as you can see in here.
Why would anyone want to play a game with this kind of person?
If anyone saw this shit flinging constest they would think twice before jumping into a MMO.
The first (and only for awhile) max level tailor on the EN launch server (Rush) made so much cash that he rolled a Xelor and was able to fully wisdom scroll it, specifically just to abuse the way reflects originally worked so he could cheese fouxes.
Ankama had to nerf reflects, no longer allowing them to be a perfect defense, specifically because of Samah's actions.
anarchy online if nobody has mentioned it. Really in-depth hard sci-fi MMO with a moderately active player base. It has twinking mechanics and crazy shit you just won't find in other MMOs. Please somebody read this and play it. It's very very good.
idk about maintenance or whatever but I played it a few months ago and I had a perfectly fine time as a fr00b. I did end up subbing for the extra dailies and stuff from alien invasion, but the game was perfectly playable without it.
Played FF14 since early ARR. The current state of the game is very dumbed down. Not enough content to be a "main" game.
I always end up going back to BDO. There's always something to do and server chat isn't an over moderated safe space like most games.
>BDO. There's always something to do and server chat isn't an over moderated safe space
My buddy kept getting blanket chat banned because every time one specific GM popped up and chat was going, he'd misspell the GM's handle as something gay and people laughed
GM would take the joke at first but as soon as he's out the spotlight, ding dong chat bannu
>Decide to check out FFXIV on twitch >highest viewed is a dude doing savage >other two are people doing the msq >4th is pic related
Fricking dead game, WHERE'S THE CONTENT YOSHI?
Well it isn't fun, these goddamn morons refuse to add fun content for some reason, yet they love shitting out content that lasts a week at most every 4 months. Useless homosexuals
Holy shit the club scene in XIV makes me cringe more than anything I've ever seen in an mmo. What kind of society do we live in that this is what people do with their saturday evenings? Grown ass men, paying subs to do this, not play the game, go as women ("I wish I was my lizzer irl lol") to clubs and rp getting tipsy and flirty while /beesknees dancing that moronic fricking stupid dance that xiv players regard as the most stimulating dance in the game and gives them mega boners when they see an ugly au ra doing it and gives them the burning NEED to shove their futatroony wieners inside eachother in the backrooms of the club specifically for ERP because of course they cater to that, it's part of the culture. >waaaa let me have fun
no frick you this isn't fun, this is cringe, get a fricking grip
>socializing bad
It's actually what an MMO is meant to be. The only perversion here is that XIV's playerbase is comprised of transitioning, estrogen-addled freaks. Just play a better game like private servers.
Holy shit the club scene in XIV makes me cringe more than anything I've ever seen in an mmo. What kind of society do we live in that this is what people do with their saturday evenings? Grown ass men, paying subs to do this, not play the game, go as women ("I wish I was my lizzer irl lol") to clubs and rp getting tipsy and flirty while /beesknees dancing that moronic fricking stupid dance that xiv players regard as the most stimulating dance in the game and gives them mega boners when they see an ugly au ra doing it and gives them the burning NEED to shove their futatroony wieners inside eachother in the backrooms of the club specifically for ERP because of course they cater to that, it's part of the culture. >waaaa let me have fun
no frick you this isn't fun, this is cringe, get a fricking grip
Kek. Imagine missing out on clubbing irl, what a bunch of spineless homosexuals these people are
L O L dude the game is dead and pure dogshit dont kid yourself even the most basic features in an mmo cost real money to do i hope sega's 1bil project dies and with it NGS
I'd play an MMO but shit like WoW just ain't an MMO in my eyes. I used to play a ton of Puzzle Pirates back in the deck. It was just people hanging out in a game. Is there anything like that now?
>FFXIV
Very streamlined, easily accessible endgame content. Story is the highest priority of the game, no missing stuff because you're outleveling zones or dungeons. Probably most generous demo in the genre.
>WoW
The crumbling vestiges of a bygone standard of RPGs gives it relatively much mechanical customistazion. You'll have to take a college course in not sucking at the game, but nothing is stopping you from trying to break everything with an absurd combination of ten year old items. Play Ascencion instead.
>Black Desert
Best world if you are into hiking. Discovering new places can feel like an achievement.
>PSO2
Only takes a weekend.
>Warframe
Relaxed grinding for cool guns and robots, so that you can use them to grind for more shit. A few shockingly good quests show up 100 hours in, but nowadays you'll probably be spoiled for that stuff.
>Runescape
You can just play it while playing any of the other ones.
>Dragon's Dogma Online, private server
Barely works, but there's a reason Ganker started a cult for this franchise. Best combat and best classes of any action MMO.
>Only takes a weekend.
For leveling in NGS, yeah. I would not recommend buying the level up bundle since you could just finish the story in that weekend and you're max level for one class.
A private server on Lotro, with content up to Moria, promises to be released by the end of the year. So if you want to try the spirit of the old mmo then roll up, the community promises to be very heartwarming.
I liked ESO when I played it, I didn't like it much during the open beta but I ended up sinking a few thousand into it years later.
I'm a huge ES fan and haven't played any MMOs before though.
>TOR
I replay the Warrior and Agent stories every few years because I like star wars, but I've never gotten into the endgame shit >ESO
Monetised out the ass and the endgame is terrible pvp full of slavs and shitskins, combat in general feels terrible
>inspiring as frick.
Some massive c**t kept a secret server for years for his special in crowd while lying about it's existence and sabotaging any other attempts to create one until someone finally broke the silence? Inspiring!
Eve >older playerbase, mostly 30+ and 99% male >scamming, theft, espionage, ganking etc all stuff that would get you permabanned in other MMOs is considered fair game >largest, most realistic economy of any online game ever made (RL economists and universities use it for study) >single shard, one server >bottomless content for all playstyles >PVP has the highest skill ceiling of any online game, only game that comes close is Dota >371 ships to fly >7800 star systems to visit >actual travel time (other MMOs have too many instant teleport warpers and shit that makes their worlds feel small) >its free >subscription only adds a few things, not necessary to have at all >you can pay for the sub with in-game currency (WoW stole this idea later on) >UI was recently reworked, much more customisable and easier to use >spreadsheets in space meme is no longer a thing, all the 3rd party tools ppl used to "need" are in the game itself now >no power gap between old players and new players >best servers of any video game on the market, regular battles with 500, 5000 or more players (holds the Guinness record at 13,800 players in one fight) >good community >20 years of development, 20 more years to come
come join Faction Warfare and dunk chinks with us in PVP
now queue 15 replies from consolegays and casualbads crying that gaem too hard lol
>actual travel time (other MMOs have too many instant teleport warpers and shit that makes their worlds feel small)
this
also PVP in Eve just hits different
i still have night sweats about one time in lowsec 2 years ago and my first solo PVP kill i couldnt sleep afterwards
yeah i got filtered the same way i cant keep my eyes opening when listen or watching boring shit
anon its okay if you game is a glorified windows app no need to be butt hurt
>Eve is a full time job disguised as game.
its hands down the most casual of the MMOs
14, WoW, XI, EQ, god fricking forbid you stop playing for more than 2 days and fall behind in gear and progress.
most Eve players only play 1-4 hours a week after they've put the kids to bed, not to mention the game is full of passive income streams, passive skill training, passive research etc that takes place while you're offline.
i used to play FFXI and quit because if you didnt have 5-6 hours of uninterrupted free time to play you literally didnt have time to log in and do anything.
Eve you can jump on, do shit for 10min, jump off if you want.
also cuz now you can update your skill queue, adjust the market and do your evemails from your phone
Be honest with me, how far can a new player get before you have to drop $20 on a subscription or $40 on a starter pack or $15 on training or $50+ whatever the frick PLEX is
been playing for 10 years and have 130mil SP
starter packs are trash, ignore those
all the subscription really gets you is >cloaking >better mining ships (mining is trash, avoid it) >capital ships >level 4 missions (also bad)
the 2 go-to PVE ships most people use are Alpha (free) accessible.
Incursions, Exploration, Gas mining, Wormholes, Null ratting, Faction Warfare are all alpha friendly.
""eventually"" you'll cap out on the 20mil SP that Alphas are restricted to, but that'll take you 6-12 months to get that far.
even then, 20mil SP is plenty to fly all the good shit, cuz 90% of the game takes place in Cruisers and smaller.
lastly, you can pay for the sub with in-game money, so once you get space rich and are established you can just do some PVE for a couple of hours and bang sub is paid, a good corp will help you get space rich cuz its in their interests for their members to have money for PVP. (though most Eve players are 40yos with jobs so its cheaper just to work a RL job for 30min and pay the $20)
Damn okay you sold me, I'll give it a try. My dad used to play it religiously so I guess I'll carry on the bloodline
9 months ago
Anonymous
treat it like a hobby
dont feel like you have to sink 400 hours a week into it
just log in, do some shit, have fun for an hour or two then come back.
for me Eve is what i play between other games, its always here when i dunno what else to play
Be honest with me, how far can a new player get before you have to drop $20 on a subscription or $40 on a starter pack or $15 on training or $50+ whatever the frick PLEX is
>actual travel time (other MMOs have too many instant teleport warpers and shit that makes their worlds feel small)
this
also PVP in Eve just hits different
i still have night sweats about one time in lowsec 2 years ago and my first solo PVP kill i couldnt sleep afterwards
travel time (other MMOs have too many instant teleport warpers and shit that makes their worlds feel small)
The fantasy version of that is Black Desert. Granted, they've added (fricking expensive) fast travel now, but if you stick with the classic story you'll be busy for a while just physically seeing everthing. Getting slowly comfortable with crossing the desert or the ocean is a feeling other MMOs don't have.
Fast travel in BDO is fast travel in a massive world done right. It's great for Kama - Vale and it's not instant and you still use the well / portal so there's a story relation there and isn't prompted from the map but it's also not worth it for short distances like Velia - Heidel because of said Magnus segment and it costs way too much, keeping travelers on the roads still. I think they handled it masterfully even though I am not a fan of Juju's design (If he were just an ancient weapon looking thing he'd be good, like without being a little Black person behind it).
We have to recognize that BDO has the largest actual game world apart from RuneScape and that was already true even before Ody came out and now we have Korea on the other side of the fricking ocean.
this, but dont try Eve if you cant handle permadeath, roguelikes/lites and that sort of thing.
reason like 90% of people quit after starting is they die and lose everything like this guy
It almost entirely consists of losing all your money in 60 seconds.
Actual EVE gameplay: >Join big corp >Grind up a Rattlesnake or some shit >Go into big corp controlled nullsec where you will never be attacked >AFK rat while watching netflix
That's most content in this game summed up. You can also just pay2win yourself a lot of money and skills as well. But doing it the free way is best done in a big corp where nullsec is actually the safest zone which defeats the purpose really. Then you'll have so much money that PvP is just there as more of an activity than anything else. Death has no meaning at this point more than wasted time. Boring.
EVE players hate to admit that their game is pay2win. Can straight up buy skill injectors and sell PLEX. Not only that but you can legally multibox as well which gives a huge advantage for no reason. I'm assuming this is some variation of stockholm syndrome at this point.
9 months ago
Anonymous
skill points dont help you win fights
neither does throwing your wallet at the wall
all it does is feed juicier killmails to people
like 90% of Eve PVP is knowing how to get a fight and sizing up targets
9 months ago
Anonymous
In a game that's mostly focused on PVP and player economy, having more resources absolutely helps. Open PVP with full loot/death is balanced of a risk vs reward. When resources are considerably less of a problem, the risk vs reward balance is fricked. A player with a shit ton of resources does not fear death and can afford higher tier weapons. He is not limited by time either. A regular player would have to grind up cash in whatever way which costs him time and makes him think before engaging.
Economy is also an important part in EVE. I don't think I need to explain why real money being a large factor in it would cause inflation. BTW, big corps funnel IRL money into big wars all the time to speedrun people up and get more resources.
9 months ago
Anonymous
invalid points because in Eve's current economy people make billions a month passively and anyone can make a few bil with a couple hours of PVE
its not 2007 where people actually had to grind for 50mil/hr
also FW got revamped, so you literally get paid 150mil/hr to PVP in cheap shitfits
idk man if the only raid your expansion has to stand on is Firelands, that's pretty fricking sad. I can't even remember the other instances. Dragon Soul, that ogre one and what? lol. Grim Batol? Nefarian? Ragnaros being the only memorable one? rehash city
I think if you wanted great raids you'd just play retail, as the quality has progressively improved as time went on. vanilla/tbc had the best dungeon content of all time though, badge grind notwithstanding, so maybe I have something to look forward to when bli$$ releases Cata Classic
Cata is the casual expansion. Big world to fly around in, archeology and rares to keep you moving. Can't get into raids anyway since so few people play it.
My man, the reason people screech about cata being >good in any capacity are the pre nerf "challenging" dungeons, which I assume the private servers are using.
9 months ago
Anonymous
they're not challenging if you're a sweaty with 10,000 years of practice...
but for a random gaggle of morons, they wipe like 5 times on a good day.
>losing all your money in 60 seconds
thats just you being moronic for flying shit thats worth all of your money
1 hour of PVE buys enough ships to die 100 times in PVP
No, it's very passive and centers on focusing targets down before the notHealers can save it. Then you switch to another target and hope they can't save that one. Repeat.
Oh you didn't mean fleet combat? Then no, it's literally just groups of people killing random solo players.
varies
main thing is it's carried by how final everything is
when you die you lose everything you had on you and 50% of your shit drops as loot for the enemies.
if you're doing solo or small gang PVP its very APM micro intensive like playing a MOBA (pic related)
if you're in big fleets its mostly being on teamspeak with 200 other sweaty nerds and auto-following the fleet commander, who'll tell you who to press F1 on
personally i prefer small gang, gate camps and Faction Warfare (like WoW Battlegrounds basically)
More MMOs need cursed sword type shit. It's stuff like that that gives an MMO soul. I don't give a shit about quests, or raids, or story or whatever, but content that is unique every time because it depends on the players.
it is free to play
there are leveling guides for f2p people
there are lots of adventure packs (quest chains and shit) that you can buy that will give you better items and exp
they've made some giveaways of coupons that unlocks almost all content except expansions
also, if you pay a monthly sub, you get access to said adventure packs (but not the expansions) and new races/classes etc
I got the free coupon, unlocked some expansions with ingame premium currency you generate by playing, then bought like two more expansions when they were on sale cheap
A friend started playing with me recently. He's faving lots of fun and really likes the game.
The game is dated and has lots of issues, but so far is the comfiest MMO out there, and if you like D&D then you'll have a blast
>unlocked some expansions with ingame premium currency you generate by playing
As long as that's an option I'll give it a go. Really rather not get something I have to sink money into.
How dated are we talking though? 3.5e I'm guessing or do you mean really the game mechanics/controls?
I just want to be a dwarf and most likely a barbarian or cleric.
9 months ago
Anonymous
yeah it uses the 3.5
also the game feels clunky as frick (I don't know why, it came out around the same tiem as wow)
the interface is ugly as frick
but every quest/dungeon has a story and narrator, really nice ambient music/effects some cool graphical effects (like water reflection on a room)
some spells are also super ugly
my main character is a dwarf sun cleric and my two main spells are nimbus of light and searing light (not sure about this last one)
they look like just a stupid white luminous line
they could've improved it along the years
now, my second character is a human blight caster druid, that uses thorn projectiles
well, they look like fricking small dots/potatoes and that's it
other spells look rad as frick tho
if you plan on playing the game, look up first some videos that are not speedruner tryhards
these nigs will get filtered by LK heroic tuning and try to smallman cata 10's and get filtered again kek
WoD, legion, first tier of Shadowlands and dragonflight's 2nd tier
>thogar/blackhand >fallen avatar/star augur
kino
>just play retail
yes Black person. the only reason to play retail is for its raid content. there is no other reason to play, as the quality has only gotten better with time. vanilla/TBC raids are basic compared to retail today. that doesn't mean they're bad, only that there's a night and day comparison when considering old raids to new ones. even Ulduar, as filled with soul as it was, feels basic compared to an intro boss in current era troonyflight.
bub I haven't even thought of retail WoW since I quit at the start of the WoD disaster...
I can not be assed to even try to get back into retail raiding.
a true MMO enjoyer appreciates and likes all MMOs
14 tried some different stuff, scrapped it all and then made it again to appeal to normalgays and hey, we all need an MMO for the casuals to congregate in otherwise the good MMOs would be flooded with them
MMOs were deemed not a good idea by all productive countries therefore there has been a a hidden law or a shadowban if you will on making new ones. That’s why the only new ones come from South Korea or Japan. In the SK they can pretty much do whatever but they are also banned in Japan. Then why does FFIV exist? The Yakuza in Square Enix have enough sway to be able to get it released.
And that’s why you’ll never see another mainstream MMO in the US.
what's a good singleplayer mmo?
something i can play by myself, but maybe trade with people/auction house and pvp, and dungeon finder for harder stuff? basically an anti-social mmo.
Want a theme park type MMO that's not WoW? FFXIV
Do you want to grind up a bunch of levels in a bunch of different skills? RuneScape
Want a Korean sheen on top of a RuneScape-esque experience? Black Desert
Do you like big number go up and also 2D chibi art style and also getting fricked in the ass by a company that doesn't give a frick? MapleStory
Like idle games? IdleOn
Want fast paced action grinding with MMO in quotes? Warframe
Do you love using Excel and spaceships? Eve Online
Are you a big fricking Lord of the Rings fanboy? LOTRO
Are you a complete dick-slurping homosexual? WoW
No it isn't, not in the slightest. WoW at least still pretends be an MMORPG, FFXIV completely gave up and can't be bothered to stop calling itself an MMORPG
MMO are such a fricked up dead genre right now, all it would take is just one mmo that's even just kind of decent and doesn't go wild with microtransactions and gacha shit, people would eat it up and that company would make millions. Why aren't devs getting on this? Real devs btw not crowdfunding clown scammers. It would be so easy, people are so deprived that xiv is being regarded as the best one and that game is SHIT. Why is it so impossible? Every time there's a new hope, it's the same shit, the same story. Monetization out the ass, company doesn't give a frick, botting, shit updates, out of touch devs, game dies in a month. The steps for that to NOT happen are so simple and easy.
Devs here's what you need to do, not joking: >play your own game for more than 5 minutes enough to know when something isn't user-friendly >respect your player's time enough to not put them on 5000 hour grinds for minor BiS upgrades >monetize cosmetics and not progression. I promise if you do this, people will pay in. >put a sub fee if f2p means that you'd need to microtransaction everything out the ass because players are not idiots and will not keep playing your game if it's p2w trash >show some level of transparency in what you're doing, silent devs are the fricking worst, if you don't talk to your players you're basically a shadow dev and games like that with 0 communication are guaranteed to die. Hire CMs to do it if you lack the charisma to make basic announcements and update details for your game.
what else bros?
>Why is it so impossible?
Because people don't have the attention span fior MMOs that don't have a big brand anymore. The Riot MMO is the MMO genres last hope.
You're both overestimating how popular MMOs are and underestimating how difficult they are to make.
The old style of MMOs, the ones simulating a virtual world, are dead because we're always online now. You being shoved into new communities by algorythm with far greater efficience than we meatbags could get by just talking to each other.
Then from the other end, MMOs have their gameplay outclassed by any other sort of game. Companies want to go online because that way they control your "investment" into the game and pull every behavioral science trick to get you to play/pay more.
And because MMOs want to be entire worlds, their bloody complex. You need to run a mini if you have trading, engineer your community to avoid becomming a wow tier shitshow and run a complete suite of 3d graphics on top of that.
Today I tried out a bunch of mobile games. Most of it is just menus. The highest quality asset are a bunch of jpegs for various anime girls, and each of those directly correlates to more income. MMOs just aren't competetive anymore, that's why they're only a niche product.
>Then from the other end, MMOs have their gameplay outclassed by any other sort of game
Action MMO are fine, it's the tab-targetting hotbar GCD shit that's old fashioned, not fun, and needs to go.
No it doesn't. Your skills are on a rotation and you do the same thing over and over and over. It's the most brainless trash gameplay style.
Autistic morons like you are why this genre stagnated for 20 years, you probably grew up on WoW and it's all you fricking know, when most sane people fricking hate this boring combat style and just tolerate it rather than liking it or finding it fun or engaging. Kys.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Not all tab target is WoW or Final Trash XIV. You keep exposing yourself as a zoomer.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Please tell me what amazing gem of an mmo you have in mind that has tab-targeting trash combat that's so strategic and engaging? Regardless of what you say, WoW is the one that every mmo copies including Final Troontasy, meaning what I say is generally true. It's shit and hasn't changed in 20 years.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Literally any MMO before WoW. WoW killed the genre. You're a zoomer, so for you the genre started with WoW and you have never experienced an MMO that wasn't influenced by WoW.
9 months ago
Anonymous
i can tell youre not even 20, larp somewhere else weirdo
>MMO are such a fricked up dead genre right now, all it would take is just one mmo that's even just kind of decent and doesn't go wild with microtransactions and gacha shit, people would eat it up and that company would make millions
This isn't even remotely true.
Every MMO needs buy-in from being an existing franchise to hook in brand drones to maintain playercount.
Anything else dies because people would rather go back to the MMO they and their friends have collectively sunk 1000s of hours in than put in that time for something that is going to inevitably die.
The on the other side of that coin any MMO created based on a brand is not going to take risks, out of fear of damaging the brand.
>Every MMO needs buy-in from being an existing franchise to hook in brand drones to maintain playercount.
That's not true. People were hopeful for Blue Protocol before it actually dropped and was shit. That didn't have any kind of brand recognition outside of being a Bamco game. As another example, there's Lost Ark. No brand recognition, plenty of hype. It's because of poor decisions made by the devs and publishers that sucked all the hype out of these games, not a lack of brand recognition.
Again, MMO players are desperate and looking for scraps and will eat up anything that looks REMOTELY decent. It's hard to make this type of game yes but the payoff for making a good one could be immense.
>JMMO >KMMO
I rest my case
Those are entirely different markets. You say Lost Ark "flopped" but only in the west. I was already a successful mmo which is why there was even an attempt at a global release to begin with.
Wow why did a proven functional and successful MMO flop in the west, I wonder? >It's because of poor decisions made by the devs and publishers that sucked all the hype out of these games, not a lack of brand recognition.
cope
>people would eat it up and that company would make millions
God you're so fricking moronic, do you think people are seething, tears streaming down their face while they pay up for shit in XIV's cash shop?
NEWS FLASH: PEOPLE LIKE SPENDING MONEY ON DUMB SHIT
A game will do better with monetization that exploits people's impulses, ethically or otherwise, than a game that does nothing to utilize these human characteristics
>respect your player's time enough to not put them on 5000 hour grinds for minor BiS upgrades >monetize cosmetics and not progression. I promise if you do this, people will pay in. >put a sub fee if f2p means that you'd need to microtransaction everything out the ass because players are not idiots and will not keep playing your game if it's p2w trash >show some level of transparency in what you're doing, silent devs are the fricking worst, if you don't talk to your players you're basically a shadow dev and games like that with 0 communication are guaranteed to die. Hire CMs to do it if you lack the charisma to make basic announcements and update details for your game.
You just described XIV's utter lack of any fricking grind (people b***hed about Bozja so hard we're doing tomestone relics now), the cash shop that at worst sells expanion skips, and regular live letters.
What other encounters in other mmo's come as hard or harder than latest xiv's ultimates? What makes them difficult?
Last time didn't get an answer. Tried ultimates on xiv and now I'm craving for more.
https://www.twitch.tv/scripe/clip/MoistSmoothCatHassanChop-9bPqOfnG66MZ_2it
I can’t really recommend it 100% but i also can’t stop playing xiv.
The fact that i dont need alts and can play on a console is also a really nice bonus.
Plus also the point of not actually having to keep playing it all the time, can sub for a patch and finish it before my sub runs out.
Very few skills in this game are single target. There's no tab target or anything similar.
I joined a furry guild without knowing and the GM posted a recruitment add with shit like "HAI UWU WE'RE RECRUITINH UWU PAWNY FURRY FRIENDS" , now I need to wait 7 days to be able to join another guild
very based experience this was on papaya server
>he joined a guild called Paws of Savior >didn't expect them to be furries
Come to Futureproof.
I thought it was some cute facebook shit thing with the paws and the cats, I didn't thought they were unironically furries. Some of those are always Rank 1 in announcements too , but it's not worth it, as for the futureproof thing i dont get it?
>was some cute facebook shit thing with the paws and the cats
You underestimate the people playing anime MMOs.
And you're right though, some of those furries are really strong. They got whales, too.
>as for the futureproof thing i dont get it
We're the /vg/ guild. Look us up on the Guild Promotion Board.
well it was a funny experience if anything, I was grinding my second subclass and I see one of the members just post on global some extremely cringy furry shit and I just immediately quit the guild there kek but I was just a regular among the usual 20 online people they get, didn't know they were ranked top 1st though that's more hilarious.
>We're the /vg/ guild. Look us up on the Guild Promotion Board.
oh I was wondering if /vg/ had a guild from old servers, that's cool I will apply then
If you go on the F1 window and click on the Gear Score ranking button, it will give you an idea of who are the top players and what guild they belong to.
I play wow wotlk on my on private server. There is no fomo of feeling the need to do efficient things because it's free, no abysmally low drop rate. I increase the damage and health of mobs, aggro range. I made custom PHP scripts with sqo request to transfer data between my characters do so it's almost like having the system of ff14 with one char that plays all the classes. I can redo quests as much as I want and level up monsters and quest if I want. I'm having a great time, as an RPG, without the economy and competition between players, wow it's really an amazing game.
I think I'll try Waven again but the deck based system is a huge turn off because it basically means you don't have full control of what you can do. >I want to do X >Okay here's RNG so you can't do what you want
Tree of Savior has been a dead MMO for most of its life but a new publisher bought the rights for the game. Launched a new global server with a fresh start.
The last three months have had thousands playing again. It's the most alive the game has been in over 7 years.
If you ever want to try out Tree of Savior, now is probably the best chance to do it. Another one might not come.
I'm trying FFXIV right now for the first time, which server/world do I avoid if I have no interest in trannies or ERPing? >Inb4 all of them
Just tell me please
Biggest issue with MMOs is they can be very expensive and even ones from real companies (Riot) take forever to release and let's not get started on crowdfunded scam MMOs that take 10 years to reach even an initial beta stage if they even do it at all. Before WoW you were getting a new MMO like every six months because the costs weren't prohibitively expensive and a lot used simpler graphical styles. Now every MMO needs to apparently be HIRE THIS MAN tier while also being able to have a billion simultaneous players and connections with everything working correctly with minimal bugs. You will never see a new AAA mmo again in your lifetime.
>the fricking asshurt from Blizzdrones itt >literally every single argument goes back to "b-but streamer said!"
Reminder that FFXIV is over 10 years old at this point, it was successful long before the WoWfugees arrived and it will still be successful long after they have left. There's nothing more telling than some clueless moron thinking that the game only became popular with Shadowbringers.
Terminal WoWgays can't don't have object permanence. As soon as baldo started in Shadowbringers that is now considered the start of XIV's popularity amongst the hardliners.
Came here to post this. But no one in this thread actually wants to play interesting games, they just want to have their gay little game wars to sate their need for socialization with this fricking parasocial sham.
Tabula Rasa is great. I'd really recommend it. You just have to hop in your time machine and roll back time 15 years.
If you don't feel like doing that, try Anarchy Online, Ragnarok Online, or Phantasy Star Online. If you play any of these, I'd recommend inviting friends.
I still can't believe NCSoft got away with forging documents in his names so they could shutdown the game while he was in space. What a wild fricking time.
>On Nov 11th 2008, an open letter to the players of Tabula Rasa stated that Richard Garriott had left NCsoft to pursue other ventures. The announcement that he was leaving NCAustin and Tabula Rasa was done in an open letter to the community, though he later claimed this letter was in fact written by NCsoft as a means of forcing him out. The announcement was made while Garriott was in quarantine after returning from his spaceflight in October, and the announcement claimed he was inspired by the space travel experience to pursue other interests.
I bought Tabula Rasa. It really wasn't that great. It had interesting ideas, but a lot of it was half baked. You ran out of content super quickly and there really wasn't much to do after the cool factor of shooting aliens with guns wore off.
>Tabula Rasa
All the niche shit that NCSoft shutdown and will never let see the light of day again were great games. I fricking loved Auto Assault and there is still nothing else like it.
>haven't played in like 5 months >get back into the game, just comfy stuff >remember that I still have some jobs not yet at 90 >queue into Vanaspati with BLM >have seen neither BLM nor Vanaspati since EW released pretty much >die 4 (four) times to the final boss >can literally feel my face get hot irl and I exit the game quickly out of embarrassment
I think these games just aren't for me anymore.
Should have just sat down to read your tooltips for a couple minutes and practiced your spells on a target dummy. BLM ain't that difficult and neither is FFXIV, but you definitely were a victim of your own poor choices there.
All MMO's are dead except the Currently Big Things which are WoW, FF14 and ESO. And they are also all dying slowly. Starting a new, comfy mmo is great, nothing like it, but it just feels so bad and like such a waste after a couple months when you start noticing less and less players and activity. Every damn time.
You can buy New World for $15 from G2A and has no monthly sub. I'd recommend trying that, OP. It was abysmal at launch but has gotten a lot better aside from the aids Season Pass they have added. It's a pretty fun time sink even if it still has a long way to go to being considered "good". Also transmog and mounts come out in a big update some time next month so now is a good time to get into it.
In an MMO recommendation thread I made ages ago, someone said "Shaiya" and it sort of looked interesting but then my computer died. https://www.mmommorpg.com/mmorpg/shaiya/
I'm gonna check out Waven once my Steam Deck comes in because I actually loved Wakfu at launch but back then I played it with my friends from Beyond and they're all dead now so maybe it won't capture the same magic.
FF14 MSQ is probably one of the best experiences you can have in gaming.
The journey to get to Shadowbringers/Endwalker is something special.
The way you reflect on your journey when you get to Ultima Thule is something you just don't get in other games. That said, it's a single player MMO.
>FF14 MSQ is probably one of the best experiences you can have in gaming.
It's a slog of comically inept villains and plot contrivance with awful pacing that is, for whatever reason, mandatory to do literally anything >That said, it's a single player MMO.
The only thing you don't have to party for is crafting and gathering. Unless you want to deal with the unbearably moronic trust AI in dungeons, everything else requires a party.
I sent a megaphone message that said "Around Elves Watch Yourselves" and I got several DMs that basically said "Wtf" to some variation and calling me racist. Megaphone well spent.
Depends on what you want from an MMO. Mabi is more of a sandbox that's self driven. If you enjoy story, I'd say that Mabi has one of the best stories out of all MMOs.
Give the story a chance IMO. It's pretty dark and also charming. There's a lot going on and the fact that the PCs are 'immortal' is part of the plot and not just glossed over.
>Gw1 (Best PVP as well but its too dead now to recommend for PVP)
Its botted as fricked and the bots has script to report and ban players if they play their mode. Anet was told this but didn't care to take care of it.
I played wow for over 15 years, recently started playing ff14, ff14 is the superior mmo, there is no question, I wish i started playing sooner.
wows only pro is that the engine is (slightly) smoother, but wow gameplay is shit, also wow "community" is fricking garbage, the people that play wow are legitimate sub-humans, the game attracts the most dumbest, low iq, self serving, fomo obsessed morons the human race has to offer, wow players are either in down syndrome mode or hyper autist mode, there is no inbetween, you play with morons or spegs, and it's never fun.
WoW also has nothing but raiding, which ff14 does better, ff14 unironically has the better players, but at the same time they are more chill and don't have egos and autism like all wow players do.
wow devs are also completely pathetic sub-humans that don't even play or police their game, wow is infested with bots and rmt, wow devs spend more time tweeting and virtue signalling than they do designing the game, they are constantly putting gay shit and ugly characters in the game and doing your typical "stick it to the chuds" western studio shit.
ff14 downside is it can feel like a single player game when you are first starting and doing the main story quests, but as you level up the mmo aspects start rolling in and it eventually feels 1000x times better than wow.
Final Fantasy 14 is the most popular one, and it’s pretty good.
>Final Fantasy 14 is the most popular one
Nice bait
Can you be any more obvious, samegayging WoW Black person?
I trued using /vg/'s xiv general but the all-consuming erp'ing and pure coomshit pushed me the frick away. Frick WoW and XiV it's all shit
>all-consuming erp'ing
This is and always has been a fixture of MMOs. If you don't like it, then MMOs are not for you.
Not an MMO.
It's popular because it's shit for tranimes to groom children.
You wanted the childrens all for yourself
may allah forgive me but... WoW
this. There really is no alternative no matter how "bad" WoW gets
>XIV has this bad of netcode yet still manages to be better than WoW
Not a good look, sisters
You are mistaken. It's actually WoW that has better netcode. In Final Fantasy you are on a skating rink
>reading comprehension
why are japanese people so bad at coding games?
japs really suck ass when it comes to netcode
I'd played WoW private servers like a decade ago before getting into other MMOs on and off, only recently I tried WoW again and found a new appreciation for just how snappy the combat is, everything is rolling out when it should, not xiv's sluggish shite
i knew it was bad, but not this bad
this makes dark souls netcode look like an engineering feat
Frick, yeah nailed it. This is why most games are so hard for me to get into now after being a raider in WoW for over a decade. I also got so into making the most functional and cool UIs that I could, so now I have customization autism. I got so into transmog that if I got a new piece and couldn't mog it, I played just a tiny bit worse. This game ruined me. I'm a goddamn princess. A mean girl.
*girl(male)
Anyway, yeah. Tickrate is so fricking important for online anything. Especially in PvP settings, but it's still relevant in PvE just because of how it feels.
20 years and not a single MMO has the responsiveness of WoW. That's why it'll never die.
this. all these wow ripoffs never failed to understand that the biggest reason wow is successful is because IT FEELS GOOD TO PLAY. the movement is incredibly smooth, using abilities is responsive and the ui is clean and easy to view at a glance. all these wow ripoffs have never understood this.
Wizard101
it's crazy this one is still going , may get back into it sometime
ignore anyone who suggests FF14. It's one of the most banal video games ever created.
I really want to play an anime MMO but those are dead
Same.
Fricking weebs
Tree of Savior has a 3 month old server from papaya company, I started like a week ago and are around lvl 150 max cap is 480 with 1 main class 3 sublass , I'm Scout/Assasin/Clown and will be Enchanter as last subclass. Currently playing solo
Is the plague doctor class good? If yes I will play your game
I don't even know there was such a class, I'm new to the game and only started because I saw a thread on /vg/ which had like 10 posts only. After a quick search Plague Doctors are a sublcass from Cleric which would make it a DoT/Support/Curse class, that's nice.
Plague doctors are gods in all pvp content, I don’t know how they are in pve I assume they’re not meta though.
so we have 3 ToS anons here cool
Papaya Tree of Savior is alright. All things considered it's still above average from my initial expectations.
I joined a furry guild without knowing and the GM posted a recruitment add with shit like "HAI UWU WE'RE RECRUITINH UWU PAWNY FURRY FRIENDS" , now I need to wait 7 days to be able to join another guild
very based experience this was on papaya server
If you're on Papaya then you're on the furry refugee service. See: LaTale
I went to papaya because I always like to start a fresh new character from games I haven't play in 2 years, no idea about the furry shit
I loved dragon nest when that was a thing, haven't tried any Private servers but good Lord that game had fun combat.
wtf does that supposed to mean
i played only Club Penguin until it got closed man
depends on what you want
>platonic friendships with heterosexual asian women (female)
>MapleStory
>fat tomboy girl gamer femcel autist, probably mexican irish or australian (female)
>World of Warcraft
>fellow crusaders of the holy grail (male)
>old school runescape
>schizos, targeted individuals, bpd, yanderes (male/female)
>mabinogi
>sociopaths, psychopaths, and megalomaniacs (male)
>eve online
>homos (all kinds)
>final fantasy 14
>buttblasted ESLs and minorities (male)
>warframe
>actual pedophiles (all kinds)
>roblox
>"he bought the top" just frick my shit up, depression and six figures Ganker tards (male)
>Lost Ark
>Ganker hispanics (male/female)
>Genshin Impact
>trans community (all kinds)
>vrchat
Is that some sort of mmo sex guide or what
you missed
>amateur market speculators and gypsy backstabbers
>albion
>FFXI
>Boomers that refuse to quit and autistic Gankereddit virgins
>yanderes
>mabinogi
Yo fr? Might hafta start playing that shit.
Where is Black Desert?
>old school runescape
Beat option on the list, only MMORPG I play at the moment. F2P content goes crazy.
Wheres Destiny?
>gigachads and petite biological females
>guild wars 2
kek
more like homosexuals and trannies since thats all that remains of the playerbase and dev team
Where’s ESO?
you formatted this wrong, the game names should not be greentext.
>nonwhites
>allods online
god i wish i could find a tomboy girl gamer femcel autist but i don't want to play WoW
Roblos, Genshin, and VRChat are not MMOs
Dude, I have literally never seen more women in a video game than in FFXIV. Literally half my FC is girls (actual girls, not "girls").
you dont need to list more reasons as to why not to play final shart 14
which one of these allows me to do all the content with friends?
>friends
You're looking at the wrong genre, pal
mmo´s truly are the worst
>mabinogi
Checks out based on the single girl I know who plays it. Still trying to adjust to grinding since I just love its aesthetic. Hope that engine upgrade doesn't frick it up too much. Commerce seems fun, just gotta do that tedius blaanid quest thing since everyone is telling me to do it first
The welfare gear it gives can carry you pretty far into the game. Just focus on getting the blaanid gear and doing generation quests.
>checks out
INSTALLING
There is a general on /vm/. Active guild of 100+ members.
thanks for that i was looking for some resources on the game
MMO's truly have the greatest audience
FFXIV is BBWs if you are into whale hunting
I played WoW for over 10 years and every woman I met on there was an attention hungry turbo-bawd. I was 15 and I met this one girl on there who was in her 20s, we did a bunch of stuff together but she was a crazy b***h.
>2023
>MMO
why I got the itch myself and looking for reasons not to
HorizonXI
Only good MMO in current year. Everything else is single player RPGs or raidlogging for 2 more DPS.
horizons isnt even in the top 5 XI private servers and, like all new XI private servers, it'll be dead within a year like Kupo, Wings and the PVP server that was only open for a week
if you're gunna play pXI at least do it on a server thats already been up for 10 years
>horizons isnt even in the top 5 XI private servers
Name a server with higher population.
>it'll be dead within a year
It's almost a year since launch. There's 2.1k people online right now.
TERA (private server)
VINDICTUS
>TERA (private server)
where
I'm playing TERA Starscape idk about any of the others
the mmo genre needs to be given up on completely. the modern day troony epidemic has completely ruined them. you can't play mmo's and avoid them anymore, period. and if you engage in the community at all you are guaranteed to have to interact with them and likely become a part of their drama, and if you naysay their mental illness they will have you cancelled and likely banned.
mmo are just not worth it anymore man.
>nooooo mommy, why aren't mmos a special safe space hugbox just for me anymore
>i'm being micro-aggressed help me mommy
>vocal minority of players are deranged transvestites
>implying they don’t shit up everything MMO-related with their self-absorbed nonsense
Anyone who has encountered one knows exactly how bad it is to be subjected to them. Since most of them are “disabled” they spend 24/7 on the game and do what they can to exert every last bit of will they can muster onto it.
problem with your moronation is they weren't a hugbox for them in the past. you're too much of a disingenuous waste of life to accept that and you're definitely incapable of understanding how trying to protect certain groups promotes inequality.
That’s actually sort of true.
The only part of this that's true is to not play MMOs. The reason predates whatever that poster is talking about by decades. Widespread social media usage turned MMOs from (one of the only) places to hang out online to a place to hung achievements & maximize to show your friends on social media. Playing MMOs pre-Facebook was a totally different experience.
Hi guys, I've been radicalized by screenshots on here. Phantasy Star Online has seduced, and captivated my kink for y2k SOVL aesthetics, and I was wondering if there's any reasonable way to play the game these days? Do you even need to be on a server with population or? Cause I see speedrunners have running this game too.
Play on ephinea, anon. There's anywhere from 120-280 people on given the day and it's loaded with improvements sega never bothered to add. It's on PC only, the server name is the same as I said before.
keep in mind the translation tool for phantasy star online 2 had a keylog/malware put in there by a troony so he could spy who was using his tool and flaming him on the forums
Kingdoms of Amalur
>talking about it means it's not real
wow that's no way to talk about the holocaust man
no one cares about your troony fetish, freak.
The only real MMO's still around are the old ones but they have almost no players.
>trannies
>facebook
I trust this data.
Why waste energy roasting trannies,
You know we’re fricked right? Like screwed to suffer by default. Literally cannot effect your life.
Trannies roast themselves we just watch.
FFXIV unironically.
As much as Ganker tries to hate it, it has a great story and fantastic music with a huge playerbase
>great story
>fantastic music
Neither of these statements are descriptors of a good video game
the FF fandom thinks movies are video games. go easy on them.
>with a load of shit side content
the important part that ff14 morons always forget to mention is that 100% of the casual side content is mindless chores for stupid people. you'll have a more engaging gameplay experience playing children's zelda games.
XIV. You can do over half the content in the game for completely free in the trial. If you don’t like it you don’t lose anything. And it’s the best investment since it’s the mmo with the most players currently.
>it’s the mmo with the most players currently.
Ok, so which one has the most, gaytron?
Across classic and retail, WoW no contest
lol. lmao.
Mind explaining your post?
WoWs been dead for a while. XIV took number 1 spot during sneedolands. I know it’s difficult for you battered housewive cultists to understand
>WoWs been dead for a while. XIV took number 1 spot during sneedolands.
>I said so, after all
Oops.
Weird how when even WoWgays admit that XIV at least took number one during the exodus, but have le gotcha that everyone went back and XIV died, yet everything shows that it is still growing during a content drought. Unfortunate for WoWspics
>unironically citing luckybancho as if a 4 month total has anything to do with concurrent numbers
lmao. there's no saving you people.
>luckybancho is suddenly unreliable when it doesn’t fit my narrative
Did you forget 6 months ago when it was spammed in every single XIV IS DEAD thread? Weird how it suddenly is never posted
Its funny how mad you are 14 got a couple months of glory flopped back down. Shadowlands had more players in its final raid tier by over 3 times what ff14 did. 14 hasnt been able beat DF either.
The vocal minority of 14 remains a minority.
>delusions with 0 sources
Lmao sisters better retreat to your discords
just because asmongold is too stupid to know how to use google trends doesn't mean his opinions magically become reality lol
The funniest thing about posts like these is that they don't mention how many social features you're locked out of for the trial because it just doesn't matter in XIV, it's not an MMO
It’s the best deal you will get for a free trial on an MMO. WoW has the same thing
WoW allows trials to reply to people who start messaging them at least, XIV you're stuck reading some troony's gradually more unhinged whispers because they don't realise you're on a trial account and not just being ignorant
>trannie trannie trannie
>straight up lies
Typical
Where are the lies? I've played both trials back to back in the last week so I'd honestly love to hear you bullshit your way out of this
The funny thing is if they do so you can report them and get them banned you know that right?
I've gotten LGBTQ+ mental illness advertisers banned in-game.
You just have to know how to word things properly. If they put 18+ in their advert that is a reportable offence as this game is rated T for Teen.
The more you know.
>If you don’t like it you don’t lose anything.
Except precious hours of your life that you'll never, ever get back.
Idk are you a little b***h?
If yes:
Play WoW or FFXIV
If no:
Play EQ Project 1999 and find out what an actual MMO is.
Unironically runescape 3
based and Raisal pilled
How's the new skill? Bad? Can you summon skellies?
What MMO has the best pvp? I don't care about anything else
Elsword.
As an XIV troony I can tell you that the classes peak in PvP, it's the only place any form of class identity exists but stuff like gunbreaker FFVIII junctioning enemy players to tweak their own moveset, kino. It's also still FFXIV so it feels like you're engaging through a bag of borrowed dicks so it's a hard sell
Dofus
You can play the game just for PvP if you want and reach max level of PvP. There's PvP meta all the way from max level 200 to 50. PvP makes money and it grants good experience. People literally exp tax themselves using the guild system to stay in their favorite PvP brackets. PvPing can be lucrative.
UO Outlands, Warhammer/Return of Reckoning, DAOC.
>XIV
having played this trash for 3 years I can honestly say don't bother. it is THE troony factory game. if you do decide to play it, it's only good as a singleplayer story game, it just happens to have other people who you don't really interact with or ever need to, god forbid that you actually do because it has the most sensitive, uppity troony playerbase that will scream YOU DONT PAY MY SUB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! at the slightest criticism of their gameplay.
It always baffles me how bad people are at it when it's literally simon says and the GCD is so slow and classes basically all play the same and play themselves, but the braindead community finds a way. When your game is the most popular and people join it simply because it's the game with the most people, you get a lot of non-gamer types who are just there for the social experience and don't care about playing a game at all(trannies)
Endgame is either collection autism or raiding autism in which you must wrangle 7 other morons to do hardcore simon says in which you have to do 3 things at once instead of just 2, for an extremely minor BiS upgrade that doesn't matter in any of the content whatsoever. It's the most unfun thing I've ever done in an mmo by far, not because of the gameplay either, but simply spending hours trying to wrangle the other morons to do it only to have at the very least one of them shit the bed on it or fail to learn. When you schedule times with a static it starts to feel like a commitment, a job, which I never found fun, and there was always some drama of someone leaving or getting kicked from the static.
As an aside I hate WoW, I'm not a WoWgay, and I played this game for years because I wanted to like it. But it is just not good, it's barely an RPG, there are no "builds," and while it tries so hard to avoid putting players on unwilling grinds, in a way it needs some kind of grind or some kind of payoff because nothing feels worth it at all.
>I played a game I hate for 3 years
Sounds like you’re just moronic
>Replying to a post without reading all of it
You're moronic.
>play ff14 for 10 hours
>it's shit
>"NOOOOO YOU DIDNT PLAY IT LONG ENOUJGH IT GETS GOOD AFTER 150 HOURS"
>play FF14 for 150 hours
>it's still shit
>"LOL YOU LOSER WHY WOULD YOU PLAY A GAME YOU HATE FOR 150 HOUR WHAT A LOSER"
Listen to this dude, i also played for 3 years which i regret and i have this exact same thought about the game.
I've read all of this and holy frick I don't want to play a fricking MMO ever in my life
How do I delete a thread
>new IP
Posting from your phone, OP?
Yeah, is it a different system stuff from desktop Ganker?
XIV is basically the only relevant MMO that lets me do all the content without making 16 alts that reset all my shit.
Being able to just stay on one character is a blessing that I will never take for granted
>IV is basically the only relevant MMO that lets me do all the content without making 16 alts that reset all my shit.
now if only it wasn't boring as frick.
Name an MMO that isn’t boring lmao.
well we could start with the ones that have gameplay.
XIV has gameplay? Answer my question or frick off
Conan Exiles
Admittedly haven't played in a couple years at least but it used to be one of the few remaining games you could drop into a server, nothing to your name, and start manufacturing a legend, in the process kickstarting shitstorms with everyone else there that spirals into further clusterfricks until eight months down the line, you've accidentally become the final boss in a blown out castle and are now hiding slain invader's end-game armour in a cupboard and lying through chat about where you put it hoping it'll despawn before they actually find it
Good shit
nowadays there's three mmos worth playing
GW2
XIV
OSRS
they're all very different & none of them are like what MMOs used to be, but tough shit
> Halo mmo rumors
those were the days
Honestly, it would have been better if they went that route instead of whatever frick is going on with 343.
>rumors
they were pretty true. Its kinda funny how huge WOW and halo were that this even got as far as they got.
FFXIV is a real videogame, it has:
>On-rails story (zero choices besides minor dialogue changes)
>On-rails exploration (After ARR the game keeps blocking you from exploring beyond where the MSQ wants you)
>On-rails rotations (some classes can even excel sheet entire encounters)
>On-rails bosses (Boss scripts since Stormblood have close to zero variation, do not react to player behavior in any capacity)
>On-rails gear (+ilevel and nothing else)
>On-rails dungeons (corridor with two trash pulls and then an easy boss, three times per dungeon).
It's hard to think of a single game with less decision-making involved.
>After ARR the game keeps blocking you from exploring beyond where the MSQ wants you
So beingin able to move between most zones prematurely for some semblance of exploration was actually an ARR highlight and they gutted it afterwards?
t. noped out post-Ultima weapon because it had wasted enough of my time by then
I don’t play FFXIV but complaining about linearity in games is constant and dumb
I agree for singleplayer games but linearity doesn't lend itself to MMOs, a genre built around player initiative and spontaneity
linear RPGs are dogshit Black personman
why do you think games like skyrim or baldurs gate 3 are so wildly popular compared to games like final fantasy 16?
>why do you think games like skyrim or baldurs gate 3 are so wildly popular compared to games like final fantasy 16
Because the average person is moronic
True, which makes it more embarrassing that the FF fandom is even dumber than that.
It's mainly because when people buy video games, they want to play a video game. 50 minute stretches where you set down the controller to eat popcorn has nothing to do with being a video game.
>Because the average person is moronic
its because people like freedom and RPG elements so they can customize your character however you want
in ff16 you have the same armor/look from start to finish
its embarrassing for a 2023 game
ff16 got 3million in a week. baldur's gate got 2.5 million in 3 years.
Anything the game ever had that was even vaguely interesting or RPG-like has been gutted completely by now in service of turning it into a bland tab target arcade game. The players will clap and cheer for this, of course, because the FF14 community are some of the dumbest people alive.
ff14 players / ex-wow players are the biggest shit eaters around
proud to eat pure dogshit right from the tap because its a different, asian butthole this time, only to stick it to the butthole they were surgically connected to before
>ff14 players / ex-wow players are the biggest shit eaters around
That title belongs to GW2gays. They are more delusional than FF14 and WoWgays when it comes to everything. They don't have any good gameplay (raid suck and walled by minmaxer despite being the easiest of the mmo genre, fractal is boring, dungeon is long dead, open world boss grind is unrewarding), social aspect (shit fashion with horrible art style, no housing, no clothing or good emote), pvp (lolbots), and population (they keep deluding themselves as the best mmo while downvoting and banning anyone that says anything bad about the game)
How did the French manage to make the best MMORPG?
Sex.
They just (EA) released a new mmorpg called Waven.
It's not as good as Wakfu/Dofus due to it being centered around pad games but the gameplay is really addicting.
The thighs are also really thick.
Neat, I'll take a look at that tomorrow. I hope it just werks on Linux.
You'd think that, but the best one, Warmane, is nothing but gearscore spam and Discord. You can't even do the weekly raid to kill Patchwerk unless you have ICC gear these days.
Warmane is great, best experience playing the game ive ever had. Met some lads from my country and we worked our way from nothing up to HC10. We no longer play but we still talk from time to time
Waven isn't really an MMO and imo it's not very good.
>Blizzard vultures ITT trying this hard to squeeze 1 new player into the game.
Damn you guys are starving, dont you got any milk to drink?
It’s amazing that they all vanished the moment I posted actual numbers.
They really can’t accept it
Reminder that asmongloid is cheating on you with XIV
Nuclear cope. Bald man finds the game so mindnumbingly dull that he still isn't even through Stormblood over 2 years after he started playing. Dude would rather play mindless dogshit like Diablo 4 than spend another minute watching wooden characters waving their arms around in cutscenes.
>watches their trailers
>constantly talks about it
>any time it’s brought up his chat goes into a panic
>does nothing but shit on blizz and WoW nowadays
Yup, I am sure am coping.
If you’re a moron, maybe
>watches their trailers
>constantly talks about it
>any time it’s brought up his chat goes into a panic
Based, literally anything to pander to the cult without actually having to play the game.
Never ceases to amaze me how easy it is to grift to FFXIV players lmao.
>n-no he doesn’t care about XIV
>uhhhh actually all that proof that he cares about it doesn’t count
WoW cultists truly are experts at denying reality.
>he loves the game man
>he just never plays it because he loves it so damn much
You might be clinically moronic.
>chat would go ballistic whenever he tried
>got embarrassed by savage in front of everyone after talking about how easy it would be
>rabid WoWgays get exposed as falseflagging as XIV players to get him to stop playing it.
Games too good for him and his audience, he atleast understands that
You deserve a gold medal for those mental backflips.
>n-no you
gottem. I’ll just let you hold the L and move on
4/10, had me going there for a few posts.
>t. brain-rotten XIV cultist
forgot your squeenix forum signature troony bro, don't worry I got you
you know that people typically play games that they like, right? is this a new concept to you?
To be fair he just has a weird hangup with Blizzard titles. He'll play them over other games no matter how awful they get. He's also playing Diablo 4 instead of PoE he's fricking nuts.
He played Overwatch 2 for god's sake. Nobody played Overwatch 2.
poe is fricking ass. even with d4 shitting the bed with its first season, the participation in poe's new league is fricking abysmal
I dont even play raid based rotation slop like you.
Just think its funny how much the blizzdrone cult has fallen along the years.
In the end Warcraft3(maybe SC2) was the last good game those shitters released and its time to move on.
>stealing one of the oldest Blizzcuck memes and just changing the names
Absolutely pathetic, just like their game.
Dungeons and Dragons Online is the only MMO worth playing in 2023.
Don't bother right now, MMORPGs are in the worst spot they've ever been, come back in a decade.
there really isnt any option except wow
Ultima Online Outlands
Private servers are the way to go when it comes to MMOs now. Find one for a game you like or used to like and play that. There's tons but here's a few recommendations.
>HorizonXI
FFXI, actually a much better mmorpg than XIV could ever be, the drama seems strong here as is the autism levels, if it's your thing though you can lose 1000 hours to it in a few weeks. Just don't go in blind, figure out what you're doing before you make an ass of yourself in front of other players, if you're clueless that's very easy to do here unfortunately.
>TERA Starscape
Be the Elin you always wanted to be but never could because frick whaling on a shit game like TERA. Unfortunately, the game itself is still shit, Starscape will skip you to the actual game rather quickly which is an insufferable grind loop in reality, sadly the nature of the game and probably can't be fixed but atleast you can be an Elin and dress up for free.
>Project 1999 Everquest
An amazing experience if you can get into it, probably the best of all time. MMORPG never got better than this. It's unforgiving, mysterious, takes forever, you have no maps ingame, if you die you need to do corpse runs, you NEED to interact with other players here, solo isn't an option most times. Thankfully the community is chill af and eager to help eachother out. Kind of amazing really. Its age shows and is a definite barrier of entry though.
>PSO:BB Ephinea or PSU Clementine
Gonna group these two together, if you want sci-fi animeshit go for these, don't bother with the dumpster fire that is PSO2 NGS. These are where it's at.
>Shin Megami Tensei IMAGINE (Project New Moon server)
This server actually isn't officially out yet, still in beta, a year ago I would've recommended ReImagine(RIP) but this server is shaping up to be a lot better, making the shit builds more viable. Something to keep on your radar if you're interested in SMT or old mmo pservers. There's also the russian server but I don't really recommend it.
>sadly the nature of the game and probably can't be fixed but atleast you can be an Elin and dress up for free.
How free is it compare to menmas
What do you mean? It's free. It doesn't cost anything.
Free as in dress up with the cash shop outfit
>making the shit builds more viable
After SIs, isn't everything besides CotW pretty cookie-cutter besides the weapon?
no lots of builds like magic bullet and demolition dash and tbh melee in general were almost unplayable before especially when it came to endgame shit.
Ye you can get those from playing the game.
Is SATURDAY Imagine soloable?
*SMT
Fricking phone
I would like to know this, recently finished Strange Journey Redux , how are the SMT Imagine private servers?
There are tools for hosting your own server locally and playing by yourself. You can give yourself whatever items or shit you want then. The story is actually pretty cool, so it might be worth it just for that. If you mean soloing in an actual server I wouldn't recommend it, atleast use the playershops, there's just too much shit to grind, and if you want to SI (like augmenting your gear pretty much) it requires another character to do it specifically built to do SI. If you're playing on New Moon in beta I wouldn't recommend any of that because it's gonna wipe eventually and not many people are playing pre-wipe anyway.
what the frick does all that mean anon?
In short yes you can play it solo but your options rn are to play it completely alone, alone with barely any other people, or on a russian server that sucks.
so if I go completely alone, in one of those private servers, it can turn out to be a korean experience eternal grind, is that the only negative thing about it?
Yes, pretty much. Not impossible though. I've seen people do it on ReImagine, but that server got nuked by SEGA sadly.
last question, what do I need to get started on this shit? currently playing tree of savior on that papaya new server but smt was always my favorite and might check it out
There's New Moon server which is in beta and will have a wipe eventually and currently discord-only, here's a link to that: https://discord.gg/4XRhyKCbgx
Your other option is the russian server, here: http://megatenonline.ru/
If you want to make a local server, here's how to do that: https://www.reddit.com/r/Megaten/comments/10dw9rh/definitive_guide_to_make_a_shin_megami_tensei/
a beta server that will wipe + discord invite only? not touching that with a 100ft pole, guess the ru server it is
That's fair. When it comes out of beta it will be the better server though, with the balance changes and all. good luck anon.
what is the end date for the beta? you must be on their discord if you know all of the previous things you posted
Originally it was going to be at the start of september but they're pushing it back again to make more changes. I don't have a date, there isn't one right now.
I assume it's taking long because half the builds in the game were unplayable tier and they're trying to fix that, there's also the matter of drops. In ReImagine they had a fortune card system that mimicked a gacha with ingame points you got from doing dungeons and it was pretty shit. In New Moon they want to have everything drop in dungeons themselves, which seems like it'd have a lot to consider.
plus all the devs are just volunteers, just normal ass dudes trying to get a server for a game they're passionate about off the ground. That's how it is with pservers
I want an mmo with sexy characters, I don't care if the gameplay is shit, what are the options?
XIV characters are basically all meant to be pretty, minus the furry race
FF14, Lost Ark, PSO2 NGS, any KMMO. Pick your poison
if youre a moronic coomer and thats all you care about, then hands down black desert online
nothing else comes close
Not really. If I won the lottery I would probably take 3 months off doing nothing but playing wow classic, but it’s a time sink and the community is cancerous.
>WoW cultists get called out
>suddenly all come crawling back to cry and cope
LMAO Dragonflight really flopped hard, didn’t it?
If Wildstar released today even in its messy state it would probably be one of the bigger MMO's.
im so happy that unoptimized shit died
I miss my house
a decent vanilla wow pserver that doesn't use the 1.12 client and isn't run by crogge/shenn/wk tier admins
enjoyable MMOs no longer exist due to minmaxing homosexuals
it's human nature to pursue advantage
I blame normies for polluting gaming as a whole, because after 2006/2007 every genre in the industry had gone to shit. WoW doubled down on convenience measures during TBC/Wrath and it has the same loops and incentives you see today, focused entirely on instant gratification and nothing for the long term. only now it's extraordinarily optimized for the lowest common denominator to have fun in the equivalent of a kiddie pool. that extends to almost every modern MMO game.
Well that and the schizo morons as you can see in here.
Why would anyone want to play a game with this kind of person?
If anyone saw this shit flinging constest they would think twice before jumping into a MMO.
Tell me how you minmax in Dofus.
The first (and only for awhile) max level tailor on the EN launch server (Rush) made so much cash that he rolled a Xelor and was able to fully wisdom scroll it, specifically just to abuse the way reflects originally worked so he could cheese fouxes.
Ankama had to nerf reflects, no longer allowing them to be a perfect defense, specifically because of Samah's actions.
Rushu*
You don't know what that word means.
anarchy online if nobody has mentioned it. Really in-depth hard sci-fi MMO with a moderately active player base. It has twinking mechanics and crazy shit you just won't find in other MMOs. Please somebody read this and play it. It's very very good.
Holy frick this looks kino. Is there really an active playerbase?
Active for a 30 year old mmo yeah. I was able to find a dungeon group for a low level dungeon as a noob within an hour or so.
isn't it in maintenance mode and still requires pay a sub?
idk about maintenance or whatever but I played it a few months ago and I had a perfectly fine time as a fr00b. I did end up subbing for the extra dailies and stuff from alien invasion, but the game was perfectly playable without it.
Played FF14 since early ARR. The current state of the game is very dumbed down. Not enough content to be a "main" game.
I always end up going back to BDO. There's always something to do and server chat isn't an over moderated safe space like most games.
>BDO. There's always something to do and server chat isn't an over moderated safe space
My buddy kept getting blanket chat banned because every time one specific GM popped up and chat was going, he'd misspell the GM's handle as something gay and people laughed
GM would take the joke at first but as soon as he's out the spotlight, ding dong chat bannu
no the genre is pretty fricked right now including private servers except for like project1999
>Decide to check out FFXIV on twitch
>highest viewed is a dude doing savage
>other two are people doing the msq
>4th is pic related
Fricking dead game, WHERE'S THE CONTENT YOSHI?
Whenever I look at the FFXIV directory on twitch half of the thumbnails have anime girl puppets in the corner.
thats what most people do. its second life for troons and gays
thats the endgame
Well it isn't fun, these goddamn morons refuse to add fun content for some reason, yet they love shitting out content that lasts a week at most every 4 months. Useless homosexuals
Holy shit the club scene in XIV makes me cringe more than anything I've ever seen in an mmo. What kind of society do we live in that this is what people do with their saturday evenings? Grown ass men, paying subs to do this, not play the game, go as women ("I wish I was my lizzer irl lol") to clubs and rp getting tipsy and flirty while /beesknees dancing that moronic fricking stupid dance that xiv players regard as the most stimulating dance in the game and gives them mega boners when they see an ugly au ra doing it and gives them the burning NEED to shove their futatroony wieners inside eachother in the backrooms of the club specifically for ERP because of course they cater to that, it's part of the culture.
>waaaa let me have fun
no frick you this isn't fun, this is cringe, get a fricking grip
have you seen their general?
someone post the horse wiener webm already
Yeah pls post the horse wiener webm
>socializing bad
It's actually what an MMO is meant to be. The only perversion here is that XIV's playerbase is comprised of transitioning, estrogen-addled freaks. Just play a better game like private servers.
Both private servers that matter are dead on that. They're just AFK macros.
Yes. FFXIV's club scene is fricking garbage and the wrong type of socialising for an MMORPG
Fun fact: nobody wants to socialize with mentally ill people like you trying to LARP as your catgirl with a 24 inch futa wiener.
What?
I remember that game. I remember the planets being really big too.
Kek. Imagine missing out on clubbing irl, what a bunch of spineless homosexuals these people are
I liked to stream fishing for the sake of fishing and shoot the shit with the one or two people who might drop in for five minutes
You post the screenshot of the cancelled Halo MMORPG lol
WOW pservers 3.3.5
LOTRO seems really fun too
Are tou guys trying to make OP lose interest in MMORPG?
Of course, he needs to understand how things are if he plan on working with us.
>Star wars galaxies emu.
>Pokemmo.
>Dc universe.
I would skip any WoWlike.
At least NGS now added housing that is on par, if not better than Wild Star's.
L O L dude the game is dead and pure dogshit dont kid yourself even the most basic features in an mmo cost real money to do i hope sega's 1bil project dies and with it NGS
I'd play an MMO but shit like WoW just ain't an MMO in my eyes. I used to play a ton of Puzzle Pirates back in the deck. It was just people hanging out in a game. Is there anything like that now?
>FFXIV
Very streamlined, easily accessible endgame content. Story is the highest priority of the game, no missing stuff because you're outleveling zones or dungeons. Probably most generous demo in the genre.
>WoW
The crumbling vestiges of a bygone standard of RPGs gives it relatively much mechanical customistazion. You'll have to take a college course in not sucking at the game, but nothing is stopping you from trying to break everything with an absurd combination of ten year old items. Play Ascencion instead.
>Black Desert
Best world if you are into hiking. Discovering new places can feel like an achievement.
>PSO2
Only takes a weekend.
>Warframe
Relaxed grinding for cool guns and robots, so that you can use them to grind for more shit. A few shockingly good quests show up 100 hours in, but nowadays you'll probably be spoiled for that stuff.
>Runescape
You can just play it while playing any of the other ones.
>Dragon's Dogma Online, private server
Barely works, but there's a reason Ganker started a cult for this franchise. Best combat and best classes of any action MMO.
>Only takes a weekend.
For leveling in NGS, yeah. I would not recommend buying the level up bundle since you could just finish the story in that weekend and you're max level for one class.
>XIV
>WoW
don't recommend trash
What would you recommend
private servers only
A private server on Lotro, with content up to Moria, promises to be released by the end of the year. So if you want to try the spirit of the old mmo then roll up, the community promises to be very heartwarming.
>the community promises to be very heartwarming.
Yeah 54 people
It's too much.
WoW on a private server is unironically the best option
Anyone tried Palia? Looks like hot garbage, made by trannies for trannies. Worse animations than mmos made 20 years ago
I would
Whoa, sauce on the mommy? Looks like mother from Tangled.
Palia
How did SWTOR and ESO turn out?
ESO wouldn't be half bad if the combat wasn't dogshit.
The main problem with ESO is that the hitboxes of larger enemies are shit. and with shit I mean really shit.
I liked ESO when I played it, I didn't like it much during the open beta but I ended up sinking a few thousand into it years later.
I'm a huge ES fan and haven't played any MMOs before though.
>TOR
I replay the Warrior and Agent stories every few years because I like star wars, but I've never gotten into the endgame shit
>ESO
Monetised out the ass and the endgame is terrible pvp full of slavs and shitskins, combat in general feels terrible
Weirdly hasn't been mentioned yet but City of Heroes is great fun and the private servers have enough of a population that you can still team up
Also the story behind how it was brought back from the dead is also inspiring as frick.
>inspiring as frick.
Some massive c**t kept a secret server for years for his special in crowd while lying about it's existence and sabotaging any other attempts to create one until someone finally broke the silence? Inspiring!
Eve
>older playerbase, mostly 30+ and 99% male
>scamming, theft, espionage, ganking etc all stuff that would get you permabanned in other MMOs is considered fair game
>largest, most realistic economy of any online game ever made (RL economists and universities use it for study)
>single shard, one server
>bottomless content for all playstyles
>PVP has the highest skill ceiling of any online game, only game that comes close is Dota
>371 ships to fly
>7800 star systems to visit
>actual travel time (other MMOs have too many instant teleport warpers and shit that makes their worlds feel small)
>its free
>subscription only adds a few things, not necessary to have at all
>you can pay for the sub with in-game currency (WoW stole this idea later on)
>UI was recently reworked, much more customisable and easier to use
>spreadsheets in space meme is no longer a thing, all the 3rd party tools ppl used to "need" are in the game itself now
>no power gap between old players and new players
>best servers of any video game on the market, regular battles with 500, 5000 or more players (holds the Guinness record at 13,800 players in one fight)
>good community
>20 years of development, 20 more years to come
come join Faction Warfare and dunk chinks with us in PVP
now queue 15 replies from consolegays and casualbads crying that gaem too hard lol
>99% male
nice, i love wieners and penises. sounds like the game for me.
have a nice day, homosexual
aww did i upset the baby?
>actual travel time (other MMOs have too many instant teleport warpers and shit that makes their worlds feel small)
this
also PVP in Eve just hits different
i still have night sweats about one time in lowsec 2 years ago and my first solo PVP kill i couldnt sleep afterwards
>its free
Uh huh
it is though
all the sub really adds is access to capital ships, which a new player isnt gunna be flying for at least a few years anyway
I sure like waiting a year to make a plex and actually play the game instead of 6 months.
>game to hard
more like 2 fricking boring bro
eve is like a slide show excel
bing bing wahoo babby got filtered? lol
yeah i got filtered the same way i cant keep my eyes opening when listen or watching boring shit
anon its okay if you game is a glorified windows app no need to be butt hurt
all good man
some people just cant appreciate comfy that's occasionally interrupted with shitting out your heart from adrenaline rushes
Eve is a full time job disguised as game.
You're a corporate slave no matter what anyone else says.
>Eve is a full time job disguised as game.
its hands down the most casual of the MMOs
14, WoW, XI, EQ, god fricking forbid you stop playing for more than 2 days and fall behind in gear and progress.
most Eve players only play 1-4 hours a week after they've put the kids to bed, not to mention the game is full of passive income streams, passive skill training, passive research etc that takes place while you're offline.
i used to play FFXI and quit because if you didnt have 5-6 hours of uninterrupted free time to play you literally didnt have time to log in and do anything.
Eve you can jump on, do shit for 10min, jump off if you want.
also cuz now you can update your skill queue, adjust the market and do your evemails from your phone
Be honest with me, how far can a new player get before you have to drop $20 on a subscription or $40 on a starter pack or $15 on training or $50+ whatever the frick PLEX is
been playing for 10 years and have 130mil SP
starter packs are trash, ignore those
all the subscription really gets you is
>cloaking
>better mining ships (mining is trash, avoid it)
>capital ships
>level 4 missions (also bad)
the 2 go-to PVE ships most people use are Alpha (free) accessible.
Incursions, Exploration, Gas mining, Wormholes, Null ratting, Faction Warfare are all alpha friendly.
""eventually"" you'll cap out on the 20mil SP that Alphas are restricted to, but that'll take you 6-12 months to get that far.
even then, 20mil SP is plenty to fly all the good shit, cuz 90% of the game takes place in Cruisers and smaller.
lastly, you can pay for the sub with in-game money, so once you get space rich and are established you can just do some PVE for a couple of hours and bang sub is paid, a good corp will help you get space rich cuz its in their interests for their members to have money for PVP. (though most Eve players are 40yos with jobs so its cheaper just to work a RL job for 30min and pay the $20)
Damn okay you sold me, I'll give it a try.
My dad used to play it religiously so I guess I'll carry on the bloodline
treat it like a hobby
dont feel like you have to sink 400 hours a week into it
just log in, do some shit, have fun for an hour or two then come back.
for me Eve is what i play between other games, its always here when i dunno what else to play
Real Eve starts when you learn how to multibox
travel time (other MMOs have too many instant teleport warpers and shit that makes their worlds feel small)
The fantasy version of that is Black Desert. Granted, they've added (fricking expensive) fast travel now, but if you stick with the classic story you'll be busy for a while just physically seeing everthing. Getting slowly comfortable with crossing the desert or the ocean is a feeling other MMOs don't have.
Fast travel in BDO is fast travel in a massive world done right. It's great for Kama - Vale and it's not instant and you still use the well / portal so there's a story relation there and isn't prompted from the map but it's also not worth it for short distances like Velia - Heidel because of said Magnus segment and it costs way too much, keeping travelers on the roads still. I think they handled it masterfully even though I am not a fan of Juju's design (If he were just an ancient weapon looking thing he'd be good, like without being a little Black person behind it).
We have to recognize that BDO has the largest actual game world apart from RuneScape and that was already true even before Ody came out and now we have Korea on the other side of the fricking ocean.
this, but dont try Eve if you cant handle permadeath, roguelikes/lites and that sort of thing.
reason like 90% of people quit after starting is they die and lose everything like this guy
Actual EVE gameplay:
>Join big corp
>Grind up a Rattlesnake or some shit
>Go into big corp controlled nullsec where you will never be attacked
>AFK rat while watching netflix
>joins a boring corp
>flies a boring ship
>does boring content
>wtf why is it so boring?
That's most content in this game summed up. You can also just pay2win yourself a lot of money and skills as well. But doing it the free way is best done in a big corp where nullsec is actually the safest zone which defeats the purpose really. Then you'll have so much money that PvP is just there as more of an activity than anything else. Death has no meaning at this point more than wasted time. Boring.
>You can also just pay2win yourself a lot of money and skills as well
lol ok moron
EVE players hate to admit that their game is pay2win. Can straight up buy skill injectors and sell PLEX. Not only that but you can legally multibox as well which gives a huge advantage for no reason. I'm assuming this is some variation of stockholm syndrome at this point.
skill points dont help you win fights
neither does throwing your wallet at the wall
all it does is feed juicier killmails to people
like 90% of Eve PVP is knowing how to get a fight and sizing up targets
In a game that's mostly focused on PVP and player economy, having more resources absolutely helps. Open PVP with full loot/death is balanced of a risk vs reward. When resources are considerably less of a problem, the risk vs reward balance is fricked. A player with a shit ton of resources does not fear death and can afford higher tier weapons. He is not limited by time either. A regular player would have to grind up cash in whatever way which costs him time and makes him think before engaging.
Economy is also an important part in EVE. I don't think I need to explain why real money being a large factor in it would cause inflation. BTW, big corps funnel IRL money into big wars all the time to speedrun people up and get more resources.
invalid points because in Eve's current economy people make billions a month passively and anyone can make a few bil with a couple hours of PVE
its not 2007 where people actually had to grind for 50mil/hr
also FW got revamped, so you literally get paid 150mil/hr to PVP in cheap shitfits
come play WoW private servers with me man... theses Cata servers never have enough players online.
>Cata server
why would anyone play the second worst expansion willingly
>Second best*
Ftfy
cmon, anything from WoTLK-MoP is pretty good.
Different from Classic-TBC obviously but still damn good.
idk man if the only raid your expansion has to stand on is Firelands, that's pretty fricking sad. I can't even remember the other instances. Dragon Soul, that ogre one and what? lol. Grim Batol? Nefarian? Ragnaros being the only memorable one? rehash city
raids are weak, but at least Heroic dungeons are no joke in this expac....
if you want great raids you'd stick to Classic or TBC to begin with.
>tbc
>ssc, gruul, maggy, hyjal
only good raids in tbc were kara, tempest keep, black temple, zul aman and sunwell plateau
that's 5 good vs 4 bad. still sounds solid to me, even going by your ranking.
What's a good raid expac look like to you?
WoD, legion, first tier of Shadowlands and dragonflight's 2nd tier
I think if you wanted great raids you'd just play retail, as the quality has progressively improved as time went on. vanilla/tbc had the best dungeon content of all time though, badge grind notwithstanding, so maybe I have something to look forward to when bli$$ releases Cata Classic
>just play retail
Cata is the casual expansion. Big world to fly around in, archeology and rares to keep you moving. Can't get into raids anyway since so few people play it.
My man, the reason people screech about cata being >good in any capacity are the pre nerf "challenging" dungeons, which I assume the private servers are using.
they're not challenging if you're a sweaty with 10,000 years of practice...
but for a random gaggle of morons, they wipe like 5 times on a good day.
>theses Cata servers never have enough players online
Gee I wonder why
>My ass kinda wants to try some
Frick MMOs.
Play Guild Wars 1
Gw2 or ffxiv both are decent and let you play the first campaign free
Is Eve combat even good
It almost entirely consists of losing all your money in 60 seconds.
>losing all your money in 60 seconds
thats just you being moronic for flying shit thats worth all of your money
1 hour of PVE buys enough ships to die 100 times in PVP
No, it's very passive and centers on focusing targets down before the notHealers can save it. Then you switch to another target and hope they can't save that one. Repeat.
Oh you didn't mean fleet combat? Then no, it's literally just groups of people killing random solo players.
varies
main thing is it's carried by how final everything is
when you die you lose everything you had on you and 50% of your shit drops as loot for the enemies.
if you're doing solo or small gang PVP its very APM micro intensive like playing a MOBA (pic related)
if you're in big fleets its mostly being on teamspeak with 200 other sweaty nerds and auto-following the fleet commander, who'll tell you who to press F1 on
personally i prefer small gang, gate camps and Faction Warfare (like WoW Battlegrounds basically)
Come home white man.
Honestly it should be law that all MMO's should have a graphical and art style like FFXI and Lineage 2. Soul.
True
More MMOs need cursed sword type shit. It's stuff like that that gives an MMO soul. I don't give a shit about quests, or raids, or story or whatever, but content that is unique every time because it depends on the players.
Is L2 still good today? I never tried it back when
I installed a private server build of xi just to try it out and walking around, fighting, navigating menus, it all feels painfully slow.
play DDO
You can still play this?
I never gave it a shot because of VPN shit but I though it closed down a few years ago.
wrong ddo, he was talking about D&DO(dungeons and dwagons online)
Ahh fair enough. I do like D&D enough though to give it a shot after I finish playing through GTA.
It says play free on their website is it actually free to play or is there a lot of paywalled content?
it is free to play
there are leveling guides for f2p people
there are lots of adventure packs (quest chains and shit) that you can buy that will give you better items and exp
they've made some giveaways of coupons that unlocks almost all content except expansions
also, if you pay a monthly sub, you get access to said adventure packs (but not the expansions) and new races/classes etc
I got the free coupon, unlocked some expansions with ingame premium currency you generate by playing, then bought like two more expansions when they were on sale cheap
A friend started playing with me recently. He's faving lots of fun and really likes the game.
The game is dated and has lots of issues, but so far is the comfiest MMO out there, and if you like D&D then you'll have a blast
>unlocked some expansions with ingame premium currency you generate by playing
As long as that's an option I'll give it a go. Really rather not get something I have to sink money into.
How dated are we talking though? 3.5e I'm guessing or do you mean really the game mechanics/controls?
I just want to be a dwarf and most likely a barbarian or cleric.
yeah it uses the 3.5
also the game feels clunky as frick (I don't know why, it came out around the same tiem as wow)
the interface is ugly as frick
but every quest/dungeon has a story and narrator, really nice ambient music/effects some cool graphical effects (like water reflection on a room)
some spells are also super ugly
my main character is a dwarf sun cleric and my two main spells are nimbus of light and searing light (not sure about this last one)
they look like just a stupid white luminous line
they could've improved it along the years
now, my second character is a human blight caster druid, that uses thorn projectiles
well, they look like fricking small dots/potatoes and that's it
other spells look rad as frick tho
if you plan on playing the game, look up first some videos that are not speedruner tryhards
I played this when it came out, they really shot themselves in the foot with the israeli monetization scheme. It was a lot more fun than wow though.
I want to play this game but none of my friends like it.
Play SWTOR. Its good now & the story is the best you'll find in an mmo.
How far can you get as a f2p?
SWTOR is now going to be handled by Broadsword, a company that only does maintenance to MMO's.
is that even an mmo if you play it solo purely for the story
just an rpg with wow style combat
I'm so sad there's no push notifications on Ganker mobile so I can just put phone in my ass and feel good rn this thread is active as frick
its cuz ppl actually want to talk about good games instead of mobile/AAA trash or hang in shill threads
Cata content will be too hard for the casual dads that already got filtered by ulduar
these nigs will get filtered by LK heroic tuning and try to smallman cata 10's and get filtered again kek
>thogar/blackhand
>fallen avatar/star augur
kino
yes Black person. the only reason to play retail is for its raid content. there is no other reason to play, as the quality has only gotten better with time. vanilla/TBC raids are basic compared to retail today. that doesn't mean they're bad, only that there's a night and day comparison when considering old raids to new ones. even Ulduar, as filled with soul as it was, feels basic compared to an intro boss in current era troonyflight.
bub I haven't even thought of retail WoW since I quit at the start of the WoD disaster...
I can not be assed to even try to get back into retail raiding.
FFXIV is the best the people that will argue this are WoWtroons and that one guild wars shill but hes cool so maybe guild wars too.
a true MMO enjoyer appreciates and likes all MMOs
14 tried some different stuff, scrapped it all and then made it again to appeal to normalgays and hey, we all need an MMO for the casuals to congregate in otherwise the good MMOs would be flooded with them
sorry you feel that way man
hope it gets better for you
MMOs were deemed not a good idea by all productive countries therefore there has been a a hidden law or a shadowban if you will on making new ones. That’s why the only new ones come from South Korea or Japan. In the SK they can pretty much do whatever but they are also banned in Japan. Then why does FFIV exist? The Yakuza in Square Enix have enough sway to be able to get it released.
And that’s why you’ll never see another mainstream MMO in the US.
This honestly wouldn’t surprise me. Would also explain why Amazon seems hellbent on buying MMOs to pozz them
what's a good singleplayer mmo?
something i can play by myself, but maybe trade with people/auction house and pvp, and dungeon finder for harder stuff? basically an anti-social mmo.
Guild Wars 1
Final Fantasy XIV.
Want a theme park type MMO that's not WoW? FFXIV
Do you want to grind up a bunch of levels in a bunch of different skills? RuneScape
Want a Korean sheen on top of a RuneScape-esque experience? Black Desert
Do you like big number go up and also 2D chibi art style and also getting fricked in the ass by a company that doesn't give a frick? MapleStory
Like idle games? IdleOn
Want fast paced action grinding with MMO in quotes? Warframe
Do you love using Excel and spaceships? Eve Online
Are you a big fricking Lord of the Rings fanboy? LOTRO
Are you a complete dick-slurping homosexual? WoW
>14 good
>WoW bad
they're both bad, troon shill
I never said either one was good or bad. But relatively speaking, 14 is objectively better than WoW. Deal with it.
No it isn't, not in the slightest. WoW at least still pretends be an MMORPG, FFXIV completely gave up and can't be bothered to stop calling itself an MMORPG
MMO are such a fricked up dead genre right now, all it would take is just one mmo that's even just kind of decent and doesn't go wild with microtransactions and gacha shit, people would eat it up and that company would make millions. Why aren't devs getting on this? Real devs btw not crowdfunding clown scammers. It would be so easy, people are so deprived that xiv is being regarded as the best one and that game is SHIT. Why is it so impossible? Every time there's a new hope, it's the same shit, the same story. Monetization out the ass, company doesn't give a frick, botting, shit updates, out of touch devs, game dies in a month. The steps for that to NOT happen are so simple and easy.
Devs here's what you need to do, not joking:
>play your own game for more than 5 minutes enough to know when something isn't user-friendly
>respect your player's time enough to not put them on 5000 hour grinds for minor BiS upgrades
>monetize cosmetics and not progression. I promise if you do this, people will pay in.
>put a sub fee if f2p means that you'd need to microtransaction everything out the ass because players are not idiots and will not keep playing your game if it's p2w trash
>show some level of transparency in what you're doing, silent devs are the fricking worst, if you don't talk to your players you're basically a shadow dev and games like that with 0 communication are guaranteed to die. Hire CMs to do it if you lack the charisma to make basic announcements and update details for your game.
what else bros?
Jackie Chan
>Why is it so impossible?
Because people don't have the attention span fior MMOs that don't have a big brand anymore. The Riot MMO is the MMO genres last hope.
You're both overestimating how popular MMOs are and underestimating how difficult they are to make.
The old style of MMOs, the ones simulating a virtual world, are dead because we're always online now. You being shoved into new communities by algorythm with far greater efficience than we meatbags could get by just talking to each other.
Then from the other end, MMOs have their gameplay outclassed by any other sort of game. Companies want to go online because that way they control your "investment" into the game and pull every behavioral science trick to get you to play/pay more.
And because MMOs want to be entire worlds, their bloody complex. You need to run a mini if you have trading, engineer your community to avoid becomming a wow tier shitshow and run a complete suite of 3d graphics on top of that.
Today I tried out a bunch of mobile games. Most of it is just menus. The highest quality asset are a bunch of jpegs for various anime girls, and each of those directly correlates to more income. MMOs just aren't competetive anymore, that's why they're only a niche product.
>Then from the other end, MMOs have their gameplay outclassed by any other sort of game
Action MMO are fine, it's the tab-targetting hotbar GCD shit that's old fashioned, not fun, and needs to go.
>Action MMO are fine
So why are they all either dead ass shit or filled with P2W garbage?
Tab target is much better than action combat. If you disagree you're a zoomer with ADHD.
Please tell me why you think that's better in any way
It allows for more strategic depth.
No it doesn't. Your skills are on a rotation and you do the same thing over and over and over. It's the most brainless trash gameplay style.
Autistic morons like you are why this genre stagnated for 20 years, you probably grew up on WoW and it's all you fricking know, when most sane people fricking hate this boring combat style and just tolerate it rather than liking it or finding it fun or engaging. Kys.
Not all tab target is WoW or Final Trash XIV. You keep exposing yourself as a zoomer.
Please tell me what amazing gem of an mmo you have in mind that has tab-targeting trash combat that's so strategic and engaging? Regardless of what you say, WoW is the one that every mmo copies including Final Troontasy, meaning what I say is generally true. It's shit and hasn't changed in 20 years.
Literally any MMO before WoW. WoW killed the genre. You're a zoomer, so for you the genre started with WoW and you have never experienced an MMO that wasn't influenced by WoW.
i can tell youre not even 20, larp somewhere else weirdo
Interesting cope
>respect your player's time
Disregarded, homosexual.
>MMO are such a fricked up dead genre right now, all it would take is just one mmo that's even just kind of decent and doesn't go wild with microtransactions and gacha shit, people would eat it up and that company would make millions
This isn't even remotely true.
Every MMO needs buy-in from being an existing franchise to hook in brand drones to maintain playercount.
Anything else dies because people would rather go back to the MMO they and their friends have collectively sunk 1000s of hours in than put in that time for something that is going to inevitably die.
The on the other side of that coin any MMO created based on a brand is not going to take risks, out of fear of damaging the brand.
>Every MMO needs buy-in from being an existing franchise to hook in brand drones to maintain playercount.
That's not true. People were hopeful for Blue Protocol before it actually dropped and was shit. That didn't have any kind of brand recognition outside of being a Bamco game. As another example, there's Lost Ark. No brand recognition, plenty of hype. It's because of poor decisions made by the devs and publishers that sucked all the hype out of these games, not a lack of brand recognition.
Again, MMO players are desperate and looking for scraps and will eat up anything that looks REMOTELY decent. It's hard to make this type of game yes but the payoff for making a good one could be immense.
>JMMO
>KMMO
I rest my case
Those are entirely different markets. You say Lost Ark "flopped" but only in the west. I was already a successful mmo which is why there was even an attempt at a global release to begin with.
Wow why did a proven functional and successful MMO flop in the west, I wonder?
>It's because of poor decisions made by the devs and publishers that sucked all the hype out of these games, not a lack of brand recognition.
cope
>people would eat it up and that company would make millions
God you're so fricking moronic, do you think people are seething, tears streaming down their face while they pay up for shit in XIV's cash shop?
NEWS FLASH: PEOPLE LIKE SPENDING MONEY ON DUMB SHIT
A game will do better with monetization that exploits people's impulses, ethically or otherwise, than a game that does nothing to utilize these human characteristics
>respect your player's time enough to not put them on 5000 hour grinds for minor BiS upgrades
>monetize cosmetics and not progression. I promise if you do this, people will pay in.
>put a sub fee if f2p means that you'd need to microtransaction everything out the ass because players are not idiots and will not keep playing your game if it's p2w trash
>show some level of transparency in what you're doing, silent devs are the fricking worst, if you don't talk to your players you're basically a shadow dev and games like that with 0 communication are guaranteed to die. Hire CMs to do it if you lack the charisma to make basic announcements and update details for your game.
You just described XIV's utter lack of any fricking grind (people b***hed about Bozja so hard we're doing tomestone relics now), the cash shop that at worst sells expanion skips, and regular live letters.
dumb Black person i said it's fine to have cosmetic shit, how can you twist what I said into that, dumb frick. off yourself.
What other encounters in other mmo's come as hard or harder than latest xiv's ultimates? What makes them difficult?
Last time didn't get an answer. Tried ultimates on xiv and now I'm craving for more.
https://www.twitch.tv/scripe/clip/MoistSmoothCatHassanChop-9bPqOfnG66MZ_2it
I can’t really recommend it 100% but i also can’t stop playing xiv.
The fact that i dont need alts and can play on a console is also a really nice bonus.
Plus also the point of not actually having to keep playing it all the time, can sub for a patch and finish it before my sub runs out.
Play Dofus
Or else
If you can ignore all the potato-child playing pedophiles and catgirl erp'ers and get through ARR, I genuinely can recommend XIV.
Classic WoW but then you're supporting the biggest semen-slurping company in existence. Don't touch retail unless you want AIDS.
Play Dofus you doofus
The girls look hot but it just seems like a tactics game with extra steps. I could just play a tactics game that doesn't have MMO mechanics.
Do wowchuds really?
it's also the second best Mahjong client where you can play as a catgirl
Where my action-combat MMOs recs tho.
Very few skills in this game are single target. There's no tab target or anything similar.
>he joined a guild called Paws of Savior
>didn't expect them to be furries
Come to Futureproof.
I thought it was some cute facebook shit thing with the paws and the cats, I didn't thought they were unironically furries. Some of those are always Rank 1 in announcements too , but it's not worth it, as for the futureproof thing i dont get it?
>was some cute facebook shit thing with the paws and the cats
You underestimate the people playing anime MMOs.
And you're right though, some of those furries are really strong. They got whales, too.
>as for the futureproof thing i dont get it
We're the /vg/ guild. Look us up on the Guild Promotion Board.
well it was a funny experience if anything, I was grinding my second subclass and I see one of the members just post on global some extremely cringy furry shit and I just immediately quit the guild there kek but I was just a regular among the usual 20 online people they get, didn't know they were ranked top 1st though that's more hilarious.
>We're the /vg/ guild. Look us up on the Guild Promotion Board.
oh I was wondering if /vg/ had a guild from old servers, that's cool I will apply then
If you go on the F1 window and click on the Gear Score ranking button, it will give you an idea of who are the top players and what guild they belong to.
I play wow wotlk on my on private server. There is no fomo of feeling the need to do efficient things because it's free, no abysmally low drop rate. I increase the damage and health of mobs, aggro range. I made custom PHP scripts with sqo request to transfer data between my characters do so it's almost like having the system of ff14 with one char that plays all the classes. I can redo quests as much as I want and level up monsters and quest if I want. I'm having a great time, as an RPG, without the economy and competition between players, wow it's really an amazing game.
I just want one MMO thread where people don't talk about WoW or 14
Tibia? BR?
any dfo sissies still playing?
I'm free from my eternal dailies. I will not be swayed by number go up any longer.
The open world pokemon MMO I'm making, of course
You real? Let me add pokemon tcg to it. I can't code or shit but trying to learn
>in gen 1 style
kino, I wish you luck, godspeed anon
Anons who've played Wakfu, thoughts on Waven?
I think I'll try Waven again but the deck based system is a huge turn off because it basically means you don't have full control of what you can do.
>I want to do X
>Okay here's RNG so you can't do what you want
Fun for a quick game now and then. Very not Wakfu/Dofus except for the look/"story".
Dofusbros stay strong
whatever you do dont play guild wars 2
this except FFXIV
BUT MUH MOUNTS!
Any browser ports of old mmorpgs you guys know of? I know of Flyff Universe but its a korean mmorpg point and click grindfest.
just play the one you and your friends think might be cool
you aren't thinking of going into an mmo to play by yourself, right?
Hey are there MMO's that can be play offline or have private servers as a option
Minions Of Mirth comes into mind.
Ragnarok.
Tera
If you are into Pokemon Mystery Dungeon this shit has been running since like 2008.
Download Neverwinter Nights (not Neverwinter) and find a comfy server
Genuinely much better than any MMO these days
Everquest
FlyFF
do fentanyl until the Riot MMO comes out (surely it won't take 5 more years)
They have been working on a prototype in 2016 according to the current EP but since it takes them forever to make even one game who knows.
Doing weekly guild raids with Papaya bros.
>that ui
and you nearly got me to play the game
I don't know why that moron has system messages on and his text box so huge but it's readable
I could unclog much of it, I just don't because it's how I play.
BRO WHERE IS YOUR MEWLICIOUS BOOST ????
Is this still active?
Tree of Savior has been a dead MMO for most of its life but a new publisher bought the rights for the game. Launched a new global server with a fresh start.
The last three months have had thousands playing again. It's the most alive the game has been in over 7 years.
If you ever want to try out Tree of Savior, now is probably the best chance to do it. Another one might not come.
The Beta was still the funniest one I partake. Everyone seen in their own eyes the damage the BR did in real time.
The worst damage to the game was done by IMC themselves. I don't find BRs in ToS to be any better or worse compared to other game's.
The vuvuzela thing to shoo them away was hilarious tho.
Return of Reckoning
I'm trying FFXIV right now for the first time, which server/world do I avoid if I have no interest in trannies or ERPing?
>Inb4 all of them
Just tell me please
Balmung has the biggest concentration but it's perpetually locked to new characters so don't worry.
Thanks mate, going with Brynnhldr or however the frick you spell it then
>zoomers still trying to pretend the MMO genre has always been WoW clones
I'm a girl
london
Play FFXI, I am done asking
M02 is very comfy and satisfying to play.
Biggest issue with MMOs is they can be very expensive and even ones from real companies (Riot) take forever to release and let's not get started on crowdfunded scam MMOs that take 10 years to reach even an initial beta stage if they even do it at all. Before WoW you were getting a new MMO like every six months because the costs weren't prohibitively expensive and a lot used simpler graphical styles. Now every MMO needs to apparently be HIRE THIS MAN tier while also being able to have a billion simultaneous players and connections with everything working correctly with minimal bugs. You will never see a new AAA mmo again in your lifetime.
Post shitter filters.
>the fricking asshurt from Blizzdrones itt
>literally every single argument goes back to "b-but streamer said!"
Reminder that FFXIV is over 10 years old at this point, it was successful long before the WoWfugees arrived and it will still be successful long after they have left. There's nothing more telling than some clueless moron thinking that the game only became popular with Shadowbringers.
Terminal WoWgays can't don't have object permanence. As soon as baldo started in Shadowbringers that is now considered the start of XIV's popularity amongst the hardliners.
>can't don't
Sorry I turned into a black southerner for a minute there.
Project Gorgon
Came here to post this. But no one in this thread actually wants to play interesting games, they just want to have their gay little game wars to sate their need for socialization with this fricking parasocial sham.
I bought it and played it a bit when it went on sale recently. I'd like to boot it up again when the motivation hits.
I tried the demo ages ago and it was really cool I honestly forget about it constantly. How is it doing these days?
Tabula Rasa is great. I'd really recommend it. You just have to hop in your time machine and roll back time 15 years.
If you don't feel like doing that, try Anarchy Online, Ragnarok Online, or Phantasy Star Online. If you play any of these, I'd recommend inviting friends.
I still can't believe NCSoft got away with forging documents in his names so they could shutdown the game while he was in space. What a wild fricking time.
wot
>On Nov 11th 2008, an open letter to the players of Tabula Rasa stated that Richard Garriott had left NCsoft to pursue other ventures. The announcement that he was leaving NCAustin and Tabula Rasa was done in an open letter to the community, though he later claimed this letter was in fact written by NCsoft as a means of forcing him out. The announcement was made while Garriott was in quarantine after returning from his spaceflight in October, and the announcement claimed he was inspired by the space travel experience to pursue other interests.
Christ that's fricked up. I'm guessing he didn't give enough of a frick to fight since it went down anyways?
He sued and got a bunch of money from them.
I bought Tabula Rasa. It really wasn't that great. It had interesting ideas, but a lot of it was half baked. You ran out of content super quickly and there really wasn't much to do after the cool factor of shooting aliens with guns wore off.
yeah i bought it too a year or so before they shut down the game, it only missed content the base was solid
>Tabula Rasa
All the niche shit that NCSoft shutdown and will never let see the light of day again were great games. I fricking loved Auto Assault and there is still nothing else like it.
>haven't played in like 5 months
>get back into the game, just comfy stuff
>remember that I still have some jobs not yet at 90
>queue into Vanaspati with BLM
>have seen neither BLM nor Vanaspati since EW released pretty much
>die 4 (four) times to the final boss
>can literally feel my face get hot irl and I exit the game quickly out of embarrassment
I think these games just aren't for me anymore.
Should have just sat down to read your tooltips for a couple minutes and practiced your spells on a target dummy. BLM ain't that difficult and neither is FFXIV, but you definitely were a victim of your own poor choices there.
Come play the Minecraft MMOs, lads.
have you tried mabinogi they are even getting an unreal engien update.
Dofus is getting a Unity engine update too!
>muh tickrate
Dofuschads win again
All MMO's are dead except the Currently Big Things which are WoW, FF14 and ESO. And they are also all dying slowly. Starting a new, comfy mmo is great, nothing like it, but it just feels so bad and like such a waste after a couple months when you start noticing less and less players and activity. Every damn time.
You can buy New World for $15 from G2A and has no monthly sub. I'd recommend trying that, OP. It was abysmal at launch but has gotten a lot better aside from the aids Season Pass they have added. It's a pretty fun time sink even if it still has a long way to go to being considered "good". Also transmog and mounts come out in a big update some time next month so now is a good time to get into it.
In an MMO recommendation thread I made ages ago, someone said "Shaiya" and it sort of looked interesting but then my computer died. https://www.mmommorpg.com/mmorpg/shaiya/
I'm gonna check out Waven once my Steam Deck comes in because I actually loved Wakfu at launch but back then I played it with my friends from Beyond and they're all dead now so maybe it won't capture the same magic.
>https://www.mmommorpg.com/mmorpg
mmos in your mmos in your mmos
Guild Wars 1 (get trilogy bundle)
Everquest 1
FF14 MSQ is probably one of the best experiences you can have in gaming.
The journey to get to Shadowbringers/Endwalker is something special.
The way you reflect on your journey when you get to Ultima Thule is something you just don't get in other games. That said, it's a single player MMO.
>FF14 MSQ is probably one of the best experiences you can have in gaming.
It's a slog of comically inept villains and plot contrivance with awful pacing that is, for whatever reason, mandatory to do literally anything
>That said, it's a single player MMO.
The only thing you don't have to party for is crafting and gathering. Unless you want to deal with the unbearably moronic trust AI in dungeons, everything else requires a party.
If you want a single player mmo, play bdo
That's a lot of buzzwords, care to substantiate any of that?
need I say more?
nay
>Racism is funny
>Elves vs Giant war is very cool
I sent a megaphone message that said "Around Elves Watch Yourselves" and I got several DMs that basically said "Wtf" to some variation and calling me racist. Megaphone well spent.
will i like mabinogi if maplestory in 2008 was my favorite game?
Depends on what you want from an MMO. Mabi is more of a sandbox that's self driven. If you enjoy story, I'd say that Mabi has one of the best stories out of all MMOs.
i like cute aesthetics, fun, and timewasting. the story was probably my least favorite part of maplestory
apparently it's only like 10GB so i'll just give it a shot. thanks anons
check /vm/ for a thread and guildmates to help
Give the story a chance IMO. It's pretty dark and also charming. There's a lot going on and the fact that the PCs are 'immortal' is part of the plot and not just glossed over.
probably
Care about story, running around doing quests, and okay with being forced into group content sometimes?
FF14
Just want a popular game thats easy to play while having a lot of content?
WoW classic
Want low stress grinding?
OSRS
Want a mechanically engaging PVE content solo?
Gw1 (Best PVP as well but its too dead now to recommend for PVP)
Want a truly unique MMO experience and are okay with Gigaisraelite cash shop and very small tight nit community?
Dungeons and Dragons Online
Want to press buttons often while also having to engage with extremely cringe story?
GW2 and Modern Wow
forced into group content in an mmo?
dropped I hate people
>Gw1 (Best PVP as well but its too dead now to recommend for PVP)
Its botted as fricked and the bots has script to report and ban players if they play their mode. Anet was told this but didn't care to take care of it.
Damn that really sucks to hear. I haven't played in like 2 years now.
https://www.reddit.com/r/GuildWars/comments/139sdee/reporting_for_leeching_should_be_removed_from_the/
https://www.reddit.com/r/GuildWars/comments/1089l5h/state_of_random_arena/
https://www.reddit.com/r/GuildWars/comments/11dpajn/botting_in_random_arena/
shitty state indeed
People suck that game's wiener really hard and THIS is what it looks like?
I played wow for over 15 years, recently started playing ff14, ff14 is the superior mmo, there is no question, I wish i started playing sooner.
wows only pro is that the engine is (slightly) smoother, but wow gameplay is shit, also wow "community" is fricking garbage, the people that play wow are legitimate sub-humans, the game attracts the most dumbest, low iq, self serving, fomo obsessed morons the human race has to offer, wow players are either in down syndrome mode or hyper autist mode, there is no inbetween, you play with morons or spegs, and it's never fun.
WoW also has nothing but raiding, which ff14 does better, ff14 unironically has the better players, but at the same time they are more chill and don't have egos and autism like all wow players do.
wow devs are also completely pathetic sub-humans that don't even play or police their game, wow is infested with bots and rmt, wow devs spend more time tweeting and virtue signalling than they do designing the game, they are constantly putting gay shit and ugly characters in the game and doing your typical "stick it to the chuds" western studio shit.
ff14 downside is it can feel like a single player game when you are first starting and doing the main story quests, but as you level up the mmo aspects start rolling in and it eventually feels 1000x times better than wow.
theme parks are shit
you've never played an mmo
Any MMO with good crafting?