Gamergaters aren't real you fricking moron.
When was the last time you saw a gator playing video games? They can't, they don't have apposable thumbs and even if they did the console would break when they took it in the water!
This got em good because it's the truth.
Turboincels who are permanently mad at video games and women didn't magically disappear after gamergate blew over.
They mutated into alt-right trumpanzees, and then THAT blew over but they're still around.
The bad thing about gamer gate is that it never was a thing in the first place and some low IQ mongrels from Ganker were happy to larp the role kotaku wrote for them.
At the start it was just Ganker chaotically shitting on video game journalists for fun, then they overreacted and claimed a neonazi hate group was out to get them and it was called "gamer gate" and low IQ morons from Ganker were really happy to play the part instead of letting them shout into the void.
This. No one has the balls to say any of the new ideas Hollywood or the game industry puts out there these days literally stuck shit through a straw. It totally does, but no one is willing to voice it from within their industry for fear of not having any part in it to begin with.
I don't get how someone watches a minute long medicine commercial or looks at the support section of a website and says "yeah, I want my video game to look like that."
Only criticism will get rid of it no matter how many times they claim they're getting death threats.
This is the type of moron to triple down. No amount of b***hing or moaning will change the art style. He's going to keep it like that to spite everyone now
Your "statement" was equally as moronic as the decision choose this "art" style, Ronald. Yes I expect them to change that soulless, corporate art-style mid production.
2 years ago
Anonymous
OK and that's an unreasonable demand realistically. You need to have alot of money and leeway deadline wise to be able to scrap most of the game to rework it from the ground up. I understand not liking it, I'm not a huge fan either but to think whining online will result in this massive shift in design is silly.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>scrap most of the game from the ground up
It's the art-style moron. Just the coat of paint over the actual code that runs the game. >unreasonable expectations
And there you go activating my ultimate trap card - Sonic the Hedgehog.
You have 2 choices: bury head in sand, and fail with your shitty game that alienated fans;
Fire your shitty globohomosexual artist, redo it from scratch and try to get your fans goodwill back, considering how popular Monkey Island and Lucasarts were years ago it shouldn't be hard to find a passionate artist on deviantart willing to do it for pennies.
Look at No Man's Sky, game got shitposted to hell and back and now it's a success story because devs listened and implemented features fans asked for.
Sonic movie did it, became a smashing success, made enough money for a sequel and 3rd one is hyped by its autistic fans so it will probably be a success too.
Do you have an actual rebuttal to my statement or are you just practicing your internet tough guy routine?
I don't think anyone expects them to change the art, but they definitely should do that. When they're working on an old game with a dedicated game, they can't just slap on their own person style or choices. Personalising something that's so personal to so many others is so unwise and frankly outrageously selfish.
I never enjoyed the Monkey Island games, but at least I understsnd that you shouldn't frick with something that others already hold so dear.
I don't care what they do. lazy devs who make low effort garbage deserve to have that garbage fail.
I'm just here to laugh at it and shame them to set an example for other devs not to use garbage corporate papercraft style with crappy tween animation.
>Start making product for the purpose of generating a profit >Find out half way into production that significant portions of the market do not like aspects of your product
Its basic sunk cost mentality. An intelligent person will alter their product to access the greatest possible market share.
Now if this is a passion project none of this maters. Only the creators views mater and if they like it its good.
to me it's more than that. Monkey Island is a funny game with a lot of dumb jokes, the idea that because it's a comedy that it needs an overly cartoony artstyle is fricking stupid. The entire reason the first Monkey Island was so good was because it's original art style was actually serious and realistic. It gave off a very Air Plane/Mel Brooks film feel to it. I really thinks that's a huge reason why most modern day comedies are shit. They feel like they just have to go full hog on the comedy and it enters in to this meta feeling of being constantly reminded that what you are watching is a joke and not real. Ghostbusters is a pretty good example of what I mean. It's not really a funny movie but what makes the comedy work is that they take everything seriouse. They aren't constantly trying to point out how dumb they are and how fake everything is. If anything it's almost the opposite as they constnatly have characters who doubt them only to be completely btfo and need the Ghostbusters to save the day. Now look at something like this "hit" new SNL short.
The entire joke is just them pointing out how weird David Pumpkin is and they don't even do it in a subtle way either. It's just the entire joke of pointing out that it's a joke.
For as unfunny as David S. Pumpkins was, at least the last bit had a semi-decent punchline with him giving them their one and only real scare on the entire ride. It's a lot more than you can say about most SNL skits these days.
The guy you replied to said the reason the FIRST monkey island worked was the contrast between realism and cartoony content.
Which is objectively true.
Then you post a screenshot from monkey island 3, to somehow disprove his point.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Bruh Monkey Island one didn't work because of excellent writing, it worked because of six pixelated close ups!
Look at the photorealism! What a deadly choreographed swordfight!
Nah, shut up homosexual.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Still arguing in bad faith, you loser.
The dude wrote the mix of grounded setting and comedy content gave it a mel brooks/naked gun type vibe, which made it work.
Which is true, and also includes the writing - obviously.
You're just mentally stunted.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Grounded setting
He didn't say grounded setting, he said realistic graphics.
This entire conversation is about the graphic style
You are mentally handicapped
2 years ago
Anonymous
I guess Last Crusade is cartoony too then.
2 years ago
Anonymous
It certainly isn't fricking photorealistic
2 years ago
Anonymous
Noone said it is.
2 years ago
Anonymous
to me it's more than that. Monkey Island is a funny game with a lot of dumb jokes, the idea that because it's a comedy that it needs an overly cartoony artstyle is fricking stupid. The entire reason the first Monkey Island was so good was because it's original art style was actually serious and realistic. It gave off a very Air Plane/Mel Brooks film feel to it. I really thinks that's a huge reason why most modern day comedies are shit. They feel like they just have to go full hog on the comedy and it enters in to this meta feeling of being constantly reminded that what you are watching is a joke and not real. Ghostbusters is a pretty good example of what I mean. It's not really a funny movie but what makes the comedy work is that they take everything seriouse. They aren't constantly trying to point out how dumb they are and how fake everything is. If anything it's almost the opposite as they constnatly have characters who doubt them only to be completely btfo and need the Ghostbusters to save the day. Now look at something like this "hit" new SNL short.
The entire joke is just them pointing out how weird David Pumpkin is and they don't even do it in a subtle way either. It's just the entire joke of pointing out that it's a joke.
>The entire reason the first Monkey Island was so good was because it's original art style was actually serious and realistic
Being illiterate isn't a great look on a text board.
2 years ago
Anonymous
How is that illiterate?
2 years ago
Anonymous
If you could read maybe you'd be able to figure it out
2 years ago
Anonymous
I read the entire thing just fine. It made complete sense.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Serious and realistic >Photorealistic
Those are two different quotes anon, one you said, the other he said. Try and guess which. Because photorealistic is a very different thing from realistic
2 years ago
Anonymous
zoomer detected
i know it may be hard to grasp for someone spoiled by HD textures but back in the day, game art was limited by technology so we got pixel representations and filled the blanks with our own imagination
surely a game like Contra looks childish to you who grew up shooting the covenant, ganados and necromorphs, but for everyone who lived those year, those fricking pixel aliens were stuff of nightmares
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I can't fricking read
Sad.
2 years ago
Anonymous
hmm remove the characters, that background looks cool
Yeah it sucks but honestly I hope this will be the last monkey island because there's no good reason series should continue for eternity. It's fine for things to end or just not resolve cliffhangers.
It'd have been way cooler if it had been a pirate themed game from ron gilbert with only a subtle connection to MI. But that's just me.
To be fair MI3 was kind of misstep in terms of the series imo. It pays less homage to pirate media like pirates of tortuga/treasure island and has become more disneyfied. And the anon was talking about the first one so this argument is moot anyway.
it doesn't have to be realistic to look nice
i wasn't on board with 3's art direction when i first saw it, but the amount of work, talent and passion of the creators shined through every detail in the artwork and writing so the new style quickly grew up on me
Why is everyone suddenly so fragile and how can civilisation survive? I'm genuinely concerned. People who aren't even smart enough to realise their field involves exposure to endless numbers of trolls and buttholes start crying at things they should be able to shrug off and ignore and then start acting with less grace than children. I wouldn't mind if it was just drama queen game devs, but it's not, not even close.
Empathy in the species is a weakness, it allowed us to progress to civilization but it makes us keep the weak too. This will lead to a tipping of the scales and the weak will die, this is the cycle of humanity
Empathy/sympathy has nothing to do with taking criticism.
In this case, it's a matter of being too high on your own farts to know what's good for you. People can feel sympathy towards your creation by giving it proper criticism, but if you're a little b***h and throw a fit over it, then it's on you.
How is old good new bad not proper criticism? Without the critique having to go into detail, the creator knowd exactly how to identify their shortcomings; compare the new to the old, see how it's different, and change those aspects.
old medieval times were good because people died of excess gas and bathed in urine. new modern times are bad because those are no longer a problem.
what people are complaining about is that the art is now too different. the devs did exactly as you said.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>going back to medieval times when clearly old in the context of Monkey Island refers to the old games
kys
2 years ago
Anonymous
no, that wasn't clear in the context. you were talking about "old good new bad" being good criticism. from that, i have no idea what your scope would be.
2 years ago
Anonymous
There was a point in history where bathing in urine was the new cool thing, meanwhile Greek/Roman hygiene was the old thing. Keep bathing in the urine of Ron Gilbert, moron.
2 years ago
Anonymous
People aren't complaining because the art is different but because the art looks bad. If the art looked good, just differerent, no one would complain.
2 years ago
Anonymous
i would complain if i didnt like the art too , i did for the 3d shit ones
2 years ago
Anonymous
>diverts from discussion about a sequel in a media franchise to the fricking middle ages for no reason at all
Okay, you're a moron. Got it.
But for the sake of giving you an actual argument, on top of calling you a moronic gorilla ape: the art is low effort, so imagine I'm the "artist" who works on this game. I just pop up MS Paint, draw the characters from memory and call it a day.
Then people complain that the art is dogshit, which it is. I can just pull up the "UGHH YOU'RE COMPLAINING THE ART IS DIFFERENT, GET USED TO IT" like your dumb monkey ass says.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I'm the "artist" >"artist"
Not him. Rex Crowle did a good job with Tearaway and the LittleBigPlanet games, though. And he hasn't said much about the controversy (besides the fact that he likely made exactly what Ron Gilbert asked him to do).
2 years ago
Anonymous
you don't know if the effort put into the art was low. that's a guess at best. you're propping up your argument with a fantasy scenario you made up yourself where you're correct.
plus, the artist used Photoshop.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>you don't know if the effort put into the art was low.
Oh, please do tell me, if you were to open up Photoshop and try and recreate the first three versions in this lineup, which one would take you the most time to accurately recreate?
2 years ago
Anonymous
the artist of the first one could've painted it very quickly. it might've been effortless for him.
again, this is something you can't quantify. you might be able to do the 3rd example quicker on average, but it's not indicative of effort.
2 years ago
Anonymous
that's just being disingenuous
"the first picture is very detailed but who was to say if it wasn't very easy and effortless to do?"
really? so just about anyone can make that in their sleep, right, so why aren't we all effortlessly churning out stuff like that
2 years ago
Anonymous
read carefully.
i was saying that there is no way to tell just how much effort the first painting took FOR THAT PARTICULAR ARTIST. are you saying you are able to objectively and accurately say which artist spent the most effort doing either piece?
2 years ago
Anonymous
i think the right term to use here is not effort, but "production value".
to make the first picture (effort or no effort) takes a certain amount of expertise, compounded upon through years of experience and study, possibly quantifiable by money. (value)
the other ones visibly take less expertise to make, less years of experience to do
2 years ago
Anonymous
ts mostly the pink dick nose here, the face shape isnt too bad
2 years ago
Anonymous
you only say that because the head shape is similar to 1997's which was already a lower quality departure from the original
2 years ago
Anonymous
you don't know if the effort put into the art was low. that's a guess at best. you're propping up your argument with a fantasy scenario you made up yourself where you're correct.
plus, the artist used Photoshop.
>you don't know if the effort put into the art was low.
Oh, please do tell me, if you were to open up Photoshop and try and recreate the first three versions in this lineup, which one would take you the most time to accurately recreate?
the artist of the first one could've painted it very quickly. it might've been effortless for him.
again, this is something you can't quantify. you might be able to do the 3rd example quicker on average, but it's not indicative of effort.
effort =/= quality
you can spend alot of time polishing a turd, it doesn't mean the time you spend doing so didn't existed, just heavily misplaced
2 years ago
Anonymous
yes. im aware that quality is not the same as effort. that's what I've been saying all along.
zoomer generation graduated from muttistan colleges years ago and mutt education system is run and has been run by fragile leftist crybabies for decades now, they churn out overtly sensitive manchildren that have been brought up to form their own tiny little echo chamber and any other views or meany words unsettles their tiny little heads
They are trying to use the inevitable negative comments that you get from literally anything you do publicly at that scale for marketing. It's free exposure and picks up the ears of circlejerks like Resetera where suddenly liking this game with zero room for criticism will own le heckin chuds.
>civilisation is doomed because game devs are increasingly unwilling to put up with the socially inept and "I waz just trollin u bro xD" manchildren
Go outside
>Why is everyone suddenly so fragile and how can civilisation survive?
it can't just look how fricked the westen world is, both us and UK/CA are fricked beyond comprehension and its leading to their downfalls
I blame the generation of growing up on the internet and all the fame that came with it. The endless pampering and censorship from big platforms is causing people to grow weak, sheltered and protected. Parents and schools are also in on this, they barely enact any discipline. The biggest mistake we could have made is to allow these techno corpos blend reality with our online activity. I wonder what kind of future will it hold for my nephews.
The person you're talking about was in his 30's when dos was invented
Your vapid opinion is informed not by any research or knowledge of human behavior, but by memes and limited access to a tiny subsection of the population, along with a heavy dose of cope.
>wholesome culture is literally the most toxic culture
Because it is disingenuous. People put the "wholesome" mask when it suits them, but behind curtains they're much worse than "toxic" people who are true to self.
i don't see that in the quote.
besides, he's the one making it - you can scream at him all you want, if he doesn't want to do it, he won't.
you aren't owed anything.
what the frick are you talking about esl? he wont what? listen homosexual, you put something into the public sphere and its going to be criticized. if you charge money for it it will be judged even harsher. he chose to go with that shit art style, now hes enjoying the results.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>he wont what?
change the art.
>he chose to go with that shit art style, now hes enjoying the results.
and he's turned off comments on his own site and is sticking to his guns as is his right to do.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>sticking to his guns
amazing how you try to make this look like some brave man standing up in the face of adversity and not some moron shooting his project in the foot and then asking why its limping. buy his game, buy 19 copies. hes going to need your support bootlicker. ill be enjoying the fallout from afar.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>some moron shooting his project in the foot and then asking why its limping
he's not asking why it's limping, he just doesn't like the personal abuse.
>buy his game,
i'm not buying this garbage, it looks like shit.
2 years ago
Anonymous
and yet you will defend it online. i know the clip art should be telling you to see a doctor but i honestly think suicide is a good option for you.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>and yet you will defend it online
i will defend ron gilbert's right to make a shitty looking game.
you people robbed me of seeing the abomination that was hyper-real sonic and i will never forgive you for it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I agree with most of what you're saying but let's be honest, it's not because of the abuse. He's having a cry about the legitimate, thought out criticism and using the inevitable personal abuse that comes with any public engagement to completely disregard it all and retreat into a safe space.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>He's having a cry about the legitimate, thought out criticism
sure, anyone who has worked on "art" knows that it feels like shit being told that your art don't look great. but i am all for him disregarding it all if this is the thing he really wants to make.
the real problem is this:
you now have a consumer class of man-children who consoomed some media during their youth and their marketing-rotted-brains feel like they have some form of ownership over the media. they do not. sure there is a symbiotic nostalgia-money chain here, but if someone making a thing puts their foot down and says "i'm doing it this way" then the dipshit who has nothing to do with the project needs to frick off and stop whining about it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I can't agree. If you're going to court the goodwill of people for attention and gain, then you can't complain when they react to how you handle that goodwill. He's free to do whatever he wants, its a free country, but you cant simultaneously benefit from goodwill and reputation amongst fans then have a meltdown when those fans are critical of you. Make a new game if you want to be free of the shackles of expectation. This is like defending Thi4f for saying "you don't need to be a thief".
2 years ago
Anonymous
as far as i'm concerned, the stakeholder exploiting the goodwill is free to deploy said goodwill in any manner they choose, including radical departures of any kind. yes, there is an economic argument, and the needs of consumers must be regarded etc for commercial success.... but if the stakeholder chooses to throw caution to the wind, so be it. ultimately consumers must learn they are consoomers and not creators.
his histrionics to me suggests he's actually personally invested in this, which is charming in a way.
just take the fricking hint ron. we hate it. everyone does. nobody cares how right you feel. game looks like shit, thats your fault. its going to sell like shit. thats still your fault. its going to sell even worse after your twitter rant. this is absolutely the fault of your own actions, not the mean old forum posters. you made something that is objectively bad, you did it because you thought it was clever marketing. you were wrong. the only entitled person in this is you, not the people youre trying to sell something to.
lmao, i actually think the game looks like shit too.
2 years ago
Anonymous
See
Gilbert also made the mistake of conflating his collaborative creation from 30 years ago with his own ego.
Arguably a big part of the success of monkey island is due to the incredible art staff in the first 3 games and the funny writing, which happened by accident, because the placeholder dialogue seemed more funny to the staff than what was original intended for the script to be.
He's personally invested, yeah, but not in a good or productive way.
He's had decades of having his dick sucked unconditionally, and now people started telling him he needs to wash his dick finally if he wants more sucking, and he couldn't handle it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
look, man, if this somehow leads to ron gilbert's balan wonderworld then it will all have been worth it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
just take the fricking hint ron. we hate it. everyone does. nobody cares how right you feel. game looks like shit, thats your fault. its going to sell like shit. thats still your fault. its going to sell even worse after your twitter rant. this is absolutely the fault of your own actions, not the mean old forum posters. you made something that is objectively bad, you did it because you thought it was clever marketing. you were wrong. the only entitled person in this is you, not the people youre trying to sell something to.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Or you could just make a good product instead of making something low effort and unappealing to most, then getting mad at people when they say they don't like it because you expected to coast off of your previous successes.
>you aren't owed anything
a business transaction is a two way street. if he wants to make a game, he needs to swallow his pride and consider they possibility he may be wrong.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>a business transaction is a two way street.
there is no business transaction happening here.
you haven't bought anything. if you don't like thing, don't buy it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
are you being moronic? are they giving it away for free? do you not understand why they are making a game? I'll let you in on a secret, they aren't doing it for the feels or nostalgia.
2 years ago
Anonymous
what part of >if you don't like thing, don't buy it.
do you have trouble with?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>don't buy it
it sounds good to say, but fast forward to release and no one gives a shit, suddenly their tune changes.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Pretty sure this isn't just going on his shelf for him to admire when it's done, it's not his personal project, it's a product to be sold and he's telling prospective buyers to frick off.
It's his right to do what he wants with monkey island. It's his franchise, his mind-spawn and ultimately his story to tell.
If he decides to frick it up in spectacular fashion it's amusing.
It's especially amusing because its the reverse of star wars.
Star wars was bought by disney and ruined.
Monkey Island was handed back to the original owner by disney with complete creative freedom and a huge budget - and he decides to fricking drive it against the wall and proceeds to shout about online harassment.
It's especially interesting because gilbert always seemed like a more level-headed person than tim schaefer, but in the end he's turning out to be an even bigger clown.
no one's forcing you to buy it, buddy.
if the art style causes this game to fail commercially then that's on him.
make that happen by not buying it.
more people making stuff need to give less of a frick what audiences think, because it's how weird, cool shit happens. it's not happening here, mind you, but let the man dig his own hole on his terms.
Ok sweety, then next time some booba, chain mail bikini game cames out dont sperg out and demand boycotts because it "demeans womyn" or some other made up bullshit.
2 years ago
Anonymous
luv me some big booba game, buddy.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You didn't read his comment at all lmao
2 years ago
Anonymous
Well you don't seem to understand!
According to the first Argument, you are not allowed to criticise anything, because you should simply not buy it and shut up.
We'll see how that works out...
Gilbert never got to make monkey island 3 because he quit lucas arts in a fit of butthurt, made his own company, fricked that up big time and got addicted for WoW for almost 20 years.
The dude is a washed up hasbeen who always managed to sabotage himself by being stubborn and wienery.
lol cant even take a little valid critique. The game looks like shit.
They should have hired those german chicks that were in charge of deponia art instead. Better art and higher woke-bonus so win-win for everyone.
>higher woke-bonus
i guess you haven't played Deponia if you think association with it will yield any +woke bonus
MC is a fricking chad and a grade A butthole (possibly a genetic engineered psychopath)
he is like the reverse Guybrush, while all his antics blew up in his face in slapstick fashion, all of Ruffus antics blow in everybody else's face and Ruffus usually gets away with it
Not the anon you're replying to but I always thought the deponia games looked kind of cringe but since I really enjoyed primordia I've been looking for adventure games to try. I'll give this series a shot anon.
you will be laughing your ass all the way through m80
the game is very well made at it gets you into the head of the protagonist
at one point i was solving moon logic puzzles just by thinking what was the most reckless, harmful and irresponsible thing i could do with the alternatives available
i was even able to solve one puzzle that broke the 4th wall in the same game Metal Gear 1 did when it had you check the back of the game box to find Merryl's codex frequency
German/euro point and clicks are a bit dopey but you can tell they're full of dead set passion for the medium. I played Zniw Adventures earlier this year and while it is kind of simple and childish everything in that game was made because the author fricking loves dinosaurs and PNC.
LOOK AT THE LITTLE homosexual WITH THE HORRIFYING ARTSTYLE
YEAH BUDDY, THAT'S THE WHOLE GAME
THAT LITTLE homosexual'S GOT WRITING CREDITS
THAT LITTLE homosexual WORKED FOR LUCASARTS
WE GOT TO BAN ALL THOSE HATEFUL COMMENTS, SHUT OUR BLOG DOWN, AND HIDE AWAYYYYYYYYY
WE GOT AN ISLAND, A CUBIC GUYBRUSH
IT'S A GOOD JOB WE'RE NOT AT E33333333333
you didn't even try to make your shitty word vomit match the cadence of the song you fricking autistic homosexual. 0/10 join Ron Gilbert in killing yourselves.
>After people told me I'm bad for shitting in their face, I'm going to stop shitting in their face. Let's see how they enjoy that then
Good. Let's hope he pulls a Phil Fish and just cancels the whole game next.
fine by me, he can't remove my gog copy of the original, so he can frick right off with his pompous behavior. let him go to an echo chamber where he and his cronies are free to huff his farts without fear of different opinions.
>It's truly unfortunate that your brave, ... artistic decision just so happens to be visibly indiscernible from cheap ... corprorate art
Jesus frick that's worse than a death threat, it's just murder at that point
>That's a well thought out response, too bad someone else said something mean so now you're all as bad as each other and I don't need to think about this again 🙂
i agree with characters being too indistinct from the background, mostly due to the shape designs and palettes being too similar. guybrush has a big white shirt for a reason! its not a huge deal, but they missed out on diversifying the look of the game via a background painting style that would also separate active objects from inactive objects ingame. also agree with the stick figure swordfight. not a fan. a lot of character expression lost by switching away from individually animated frames (also, characters are seemingly unable to move in 3 dimensions. i predict most of the action is going to look boring because of this)
here's problems. the detail is flat... because its flat art. that's by design. silhouettes are FAR from interchangeable, because that's something they put a lot of effort towards ala monkey island 4 to not lose the characters too much as they get smaller.
what does he mean by "atmosphere", specifically? there IS atmosphere, to the extent that people are talking and complaining about it in droves. maybe he means that he doesn't like whatever he means by "atmosphere", but he doesn't elaborate.
only guybrush has a penis nose, as far as i can tell.
this guys definition of art is extremely strange. if a picture is made with the intent to subvert, it can't be counted as art? im pretty sure a TON of people go to art exhibits to be surprised and astonished. as far as i know, the history of art doesn't consist of the same painting of a tree and some hills being duplicated endlessly and without variation.
>impression being given off
whos impression? this guy cant quantify in any meaningful way whether literally everyone likes the art just because its different, so i can only assume what he's saying is that the art is telling him, specifically, that he HAS to see it as nothing but "different". weird thoughts. the problem with fans is that you can't be a fan of something until it comes out. by definition, a fan doesn't know >
what they want; it has to be given to them by a designer.
i agree the character art bears some resemblance to "corporate art", mostly because they're both flat art. but again, this guy gets weird thoughts about how the art is telling him that its callous and the devs are just out to make a quick buck (although people have been complaining mostly that the art is going to be very detrimental to sales. maybe the problem is that they WANT the devs to make a quick buck?)
we're not being sold the same car with a new coat of paint. its a new car that looks a bit odd.
and yes, the devs have said that they wanted a visual look that was provocative (although at the same time, anons say it looks boring, cheap and indistinguished). i think they succeeded! im not a huge fan of the character look, though. they removed a lot of ability for characters to physically express themselves with squished faces sometimes full of small detail with dot eyes. i think they missed out.
>devs are just out to make a quick buck
yeah, remaking a game for the third time is a loveletter to art and videogames as a whole lmao. just end yourself
>provocative, shocking, and not what everyone was expecting
Well, you managed to do that. And what did you expect? An unanimous acceptance? You made it "provocative" and "shocking" on purpose and now can't bear any criticism? Fricking pathetic.
To be fair, monkey island sits on a ridiculously ultrahigh pedestal thanks to homosexuals talking it up and memeing guybrush forever, and that shit undoubtedly has gone straight to his head over the decades.
For him, it's probably like getting married, and immediately after the kiss while everyone's applauding, his wife goes "by the way I hate you, I'm fricking a black dude named B-Z I want you to financially support, and my entire family will be moving in with us to start a mail order business selling bathroom tile."
Gilbert also made the mistake of conflating his collaborative creation from 30 years ago with his own ego.
Arguably a big part of the success of monkey island is due to the incredible art staff in the first 3 games and the funny writing, which happened by accident, because the placeholder dialogue seemed more funny to the staff than what was original intended for the script to be.
>WAAAAAH PEOPLE ON THE INTERNET ARE MEANY WEANIE
what a fricking baby. move over homosexual i wanna have a go at your moms breasts because clearly you’re still a fricking infant and you’re hogging all the breast milk
Gamers these days are morons.
Never cater to them. If you yourself think the game is good then that's good enough. It doesn't matter what the audience says. If nobody buys it just market it
Dude is just a creepy sex pervert who looks like buffalo bill and claims he's a "lesbian". If you look up older photos of him before growing his hair out he looks like your average incel neckbeard who isnt getting laid.
Maybe if you didn't have a game with such a shit style. He's not even a true honest person if he feels like he has to bastardize a beloved game by many.
I actually like the art style, it's pretty fresh. There isn't a lot of games with that style, i guess guacamelee is closest. Shame i couldn't care less about Monkey Island though. People should wait and judge it when it comes out instead of going full autism; dev sounds like a turbotard who should just shut his mouth however.
god I love the style in the first one so much
the blue hue of the night just makes me cream myself, especially the sky
the "remake" did good with the night coloring, even if the digital art is sort of sloppy and the characters look weird as frick
the new one captures NONE of that feel
Unironically it doesn't look that bad if it wasn't for the horrible characters.
It is a small indie project and the studio only experience with art is thimbleweed park....
If this was a pure puzzle or 2D side scroller game , it would be fine.
But this is a game centered around dialogue with well beloved characters. It is a fricking shame to have characters that look like sewed kid dolls.
>huge given Disney budget >disney >giving money
Disney threw star wars ip to the highest bidder that was EA. That is how much they care about investing in games.
Hell , they probably didn't even notice they own the monkey island ip for years probably. Ron been mailing them for years with no answers. Probably once he had his small success with thimbleweed they noticed him. I am willing to bet my love of monkey island that it is just devolver digital financing the whole thing while disney is just taking a cut of profit for "allowing them to use the IP"
You're probably right.
I wonder what the budgets of the previous Monkey Island games were considering Ron has confirmed this one has the biggest budget of all.
And these days it seems like 50% us goes to marketing.
2 years ago
Anonymous
> Ron has confirmed this one has the biggest budget
I didnt read that. But it is not a huge surprise. Ron only talks about the first two games. The first monkey island was a small team effort in side lucasart. It is just that lucasart happened to be the place with most talented nerds and passionate people because of the star wars craziness. Also back then they didn't need to hire voice actors or crazy modern marketing.
The second game was in developement before the first game success so i suppose it wasn't that largely different in term of team. Also it is dishonest to compare a 30 year old game budget with a today game budget given the inflation etc.
It's a soft reboot. Do you remember the ending of 2? Curse simply dismisses it, and the special edition even adds a line after the credits that dismisses the whole thing as a voodoo curse that Guybrush simply breaks free of.
This game is supposedly the real continuation because Ron Gilbert wasn't involved in Curse.
I thought the whole reason why 2 was retconned in the first place was because the ending didn't leave any room for a continuation. Do the reboot is going with the premise that all that is happening is just Guybrush and his brother playing pirates at an amusement park?
>Why are gamers like this
Why does the nose ridge start from the top of his forehead? Why do hacks think they are entitled to my money just because someone told them at art school that they are special?
>Why does the nose ridge start from the top of his forehead?
Because it's drawn by somebody with an ideological objection to beauty. It's supposed to look hideous. Beautiful art is what white male oppressors draw.
Ron Gilbert is a pussy ass b***h with the emotional and intellectual resilience of me when I was 10 years of age which I grew out of at 16, and this little mentally stunted hack b***h is pushing how many decades?
What is up with overgrown ass b***h ass Westerners being stunted in development?
You made a shitty game b***h, own it like an adult man, sift through the muh mean comments like the No Man's Sky guy does while actually doing tangible fricking fixing and improvement on the game instead of being a little psychologically-prepubescent snowflake.
It's just Big LGBTQIA+BLM (shortened to Big israelite) making a big deal out of video game graphics to hide the true agenda of pushing LGBTQIA+BLM (shortened to Big israelite).
I'm grateful if we can have even one, just ONE playable trans character. Preferably a lead character.
Day one buy for me if they accomplish this one small task.
>remember some guy making a youtube video talking about how he was excited about the new game >his twitter is now nothing but white knighting for the game mass replying to people saying it looks bad like a giant fricking homosexual
https://twitter.com/B_Mask_/with_replies
Are you moronic? The same srtist can make both shitty and good art. It's not cherrypicking wheb they're completely different, they're not even the same fruit.
And its my decision to say it looks like shit. If it was a normal functioning adult he should have learnt long ago how to accept criticism.
But no, he is a freak pretending to be a woman with a wig.
So basically, frick him twice.
>Movie Studio makes horrid version of sonic >Fan Backlash >Movie Studio understands the complaints and the redesign is better, getting the studio praise for listening to the fans
>Video game studio makes horrid version of game >Fan Backlash >Developer immediately goes PTSD mode and blames everyone else while defending his decision with "It's what I wanted" >Consumers get blamed for the shitty practices of this industry once again
This is why this industry is so shit. The only time this worked out was with XCOM where they released and entire new game that was more faithful to the original but then released their shitty 3rd person mass effect knock off anyway. I hope this game bombs, I rather have no new MI game than this garbage.
So his reply to criticism is to seclude himself away from the public? He is either based and knows what he's doing, or he is moronic and can't stop sniffing his own farts. Depends on the quality of the outcome
>whereas the top is made by a classically trained artist
looks like shitty 3d art to me, but may be wrong, haven't played, maybe just bad choice of pictures
Haha shit everyone would hate this image if mainstream still gave a shit about EQ. Oldschoolers would hate it because it warcraft-ifies their game. Fantasy art lovers hate it because there's a lot of subtleties like one of the big guys summoning some spooky ghost skeletons and the background landscape has been replaced with a blurred out mishmash. It's sad.
But then on the twitter side people would hate it because it made the chicks sexier, got rid of minorities and so on. Like man I'm not really into that shit but it kind of really cheapens it. Like yeah in the original you have your pure white maiden with a rather large bosom on display, sure, yet, her face evokes confidence and enjoyment while the new one it's generic game artist dead fish stare coupled with VISIBLE panty strings just makes me question why the artist went with that. Do you want chicks who are less sexualized with more armor (the more armor says that) or do you want a frickdoll bimbo woman with underwear showing? Then there's the dark elf and the other chicks which are sexed up too. It's dissonant and moronic. And looking again, a lot of the characters don't seem to emote at all, what the frick is the point of this image. How is this supposed to evoke any sort of emotion.
it's incomprehensibly bad in every single way. It's not even technically well executed. Sure the original is insanely good but frick, the new one? It even feels like the characters and the landscape are two different drawings in the new one. It has way shittier composition and the colours are garish and compete for attention in a way that makes the whole drawing look like clown vomit. Because you can draw in this nu-wow style without it looking this bad but whoever made this really fricking phoned it in.
There's just so much to shit on with the new image there's not enough words or time. At least potential players would understand the new devs don't get and never will get what everquest is all about.
I love the whole narrative of some small number of chuds shitposting turns into GAMERS ARE ENTITLED LITTLE b***hES. Our fricking media cycle is a manipulated joke.
to some degree, yes. but gamers are entitled and demand respect because they define their identity with a hobby that is a massive money and time sink, which they could do in moderation and for free.
this somehow leads to conspiracy theories that israelites are controlling the world to plant blue haired women to steal the fun from video games, so you don't want to buy them.
>demand respect
No, we demand good fricking games. No one gives a shit how they are viewed or "respected" by the media. This Industry isn't Hollywood, no matter how much video game journalists want it to be.
so, gamers demand respect FOR their lifestyle, which requires companies to respect gamers by making games they want to buy. games that are undesirable to buy are seen as disrespectful.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Consumer wants good product, its not that deep
2 years ago
Anonymous
demands. note that this frothing at the mouth is caused because people are saying they don't want to buy the game. the anger is directed towards developers/corps, with the demand that the game be fixed so it becomes desirable to buy it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
you're reading too much into it. Monkey Island isn't exactly a super hot franchize these days and most people have zero emotional investment in this game. The vast majority of people who are complaining aren't doing it because they desperately want a new Monkey Island game, but rather because it's funny, especially because of Ron's overreaction.
2 years ago
Anonymous
im just looking at what people are saying in these threads. leftists ruined art, games are too inclusive, i won't buy the game unless it looks better, conspiracies are making me not want to buy games...
2 years ago
Anonymous
yes! attack only the trolls and ignore the former fans who've been put off purchasing Ron's latest magnum opus! That'll surely work!
2 years ago
Anonymous
i don't believe in trolling.
2 years ago
Anonymous
you'd best believe in troll threads you're in one
2 years ago
Anonymous
why are you doing it then?
2 years ago
Anonymous
im not. what if you consider what I'm saying at face value?
2 years ago
Anonymous
you're either moronic or pretending to be moronic, not sure which one is worse.
2 years ago
Anonymous
how come?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Or they're fans who think the thing they've been waiting an enormous amount of time for is unimaginably fugly. Could be that.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Consumer wants good product, its not that deep
2 years ago
Anonymous
>demand respect FOR their lifestyle
Wrong again. No one is demanding respect and this isn't a lifestyle. It's about the product. Anytime there's this amount of backlash against a game is when It turns out to be shit or it straight up looks like it will be shit. That might fly in the film industry where they're pumping out 6-7 high budget movies a month and you only pay about $13 for 2 hours of entertainment but this is a completely different set of rules and people don't what to put up with dumb developers that think they know better than you, try to sell you a half baked rushed game for full price and then blame you when it flops. Remember Romero and Daikatana? Carmack and Rage? Schaffer and The Cave? Just because you're an industry veteran doesn't mean everyone is gonna be ok with whatever stupid decision you make.
2 years ago
Anonymous
so, the product is shit, and you don't want to buy it. you only want to buy good products.
monkey island is a slap in the face because you don't want to buy it.
from now on, stop buying and waiting for any and all new games, and try to keep calling yourself a gamer.
i haven't ran into a single gamer that only plays free games, exclusively.
2 years ago
Anonymous
What are you even on about? Who wants to buy a shit product deliberately? >monkey island is a slap in the face because you don't want to buy it.
No, It's a slap in the face because it looks like shit and that's why I don't want to buy it. >from now on, stop buying and waiting for any and all new games, and try to keep calling yourself a gamer.
So I have to buy games that I think are shit to keep calling myself a gamer?
You're making no fricking sense. Learn to read.
2 years ago
Anonymous
read carefully.
what I'm saying is that gamers define themselves by purchasing product. if they don't want to purchase something they would like to, they feel unable to define themselves with the purchase because of malignant action by devs/corps. gamers complain to companies and devs to change things so that the want to purchase is restored. consumerism and consuming is inseparable from gaming.
hence, you can't be a gamer and only play freeware games.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>what I'm saying is that gamers define themselves by purchasing product
Why do you keep parroting this? Gamers play video games, that's it. Just like Moviegoers go to the theater, there's no definition of character here, they only people that call themselves Gamers unironically is children trying to impress other children. Every adult just says they play video games.
You're mixing up personality with hobbies. It's a common mistake this days but it has nothing to do with Monkey Island looking like shit and people complaining about it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
so office ladies playing sudoku and candy crush on commute are gamers? your definition might be a little poor.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>so office ladies playing sudoku and candy crush on commute are gamers? your definition might be a little poor.
Casual Gamers is the common term, just like kids who play fortnite or minecraft and nothing else and call themselves "true gamers". Any adult that plays video games is just that, an adult that plays video games, not a "gamer" and if they choose to call themselves that they're either a manchild or a moron.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You're literally saying all non-free games are shit
2 years ago
Anonymous
nope. im saying that it's impossible to be a gamer that only plays freeware gamesn with finished development. consuming of product is integral to being a gamer.
And the number of vocal /misc/tards who actually think that are minuscule. It's like when people b***h about police or pitbulls and shit. There are definite per capita issues with them, but they go off on these moronic rants generalizing them all as shit despite the actual numbers being lower than other certain groups where if you applied the same thing to them someone might be labeled in a certain way.
You're entitled to a good product as long as they're charging money for it. I know it's a crazy concept, but businesses actually exist to serve consumers and not the other way around, and video game companies are no exception.
>creator humiliates fans by presenting them with a hideous game >journalists tries to bully them further by mocking them and calling them uncool
Why are they like this?
Western artists are fricking garbage. Any artist with potential gave up because this cheap garbage gets the dollars and did something else with their life.
Honestly wouldnt be to surprised, the assets are just basic geometric shapes so they're easy to throw together and everything is a rigged puppet straight from some shit like go-animate. Would probably take a week at most to make these assets and the trailer for it.
The only expectations he is subverting is that people usually expect Monkey Island games to be good.
Also, it's a soft reboot that builds upon the terrible ending of Monkey Island 2. That sucks.
>open floor for all comments >show a shitty, butchered, grotesque raping of a beloved series, giving Guy a literal dicknose >people explain in great detail how fricking horrid your game is >get anally annihilated and run away crying like a little b***h
Next time just let everyone know what you really want is a praise comment bukkake, you disingenuous crybaby.
Do people actually think the game's visuals are that terrible?
I'll fully admit that it's by no means by favourite visual representation of Monkey Island. Nor my second. Or even third. But it unironically might be my fourth. It's by no means the worst looking Monkey Island. Nor that bad looking game in general.
Carla looks like a gorilla and the important looking pirates have been made more "diverse" as well.
It's no surprise that literal trannies are involved with production.
Not disagreeing with the fact that carla looks like a gorilla now, which is super racist in itself and that the new pirates look like shit, but as far as historic settings go carribean pirates are the most diverse setting possible, so blacks showing up isnt a big shocker. Even the original MI2 had captain dread.
In a way, you are right, but they simply replaced pre-existing characters with more diverse equivalents.
Their intention was never historical accuracy (not like it matters that much for this particular title).
>In a way, you are right, but they simply replaced pre-existing characters with more diverse equivalents.
Well, pirates weren't exactly a bunch known for their consistency. If there were pirate councils they were probably replaced every month or so.
That's not the issue. Them being "diverse" is also not the issue. The issue is they look like fricking shit and no effort was made to even make them look remotely decipherable. Look at this screenshot and try to describe what they're even wearing. Even their fricking wardrobe is a mess of clashing geometric shapes.
That's the real problem. No readability. Couldn't care less if there's a female pirate or a Black person sitting at that table if they were well realized.
Well yeah, but you see, my first post in the chain was replying to someone who claimed that the game didn't look bad, or at least not the worst looking of the Monkey Island series.
Don't think for a second that I would like the graphics if they simply added more fugly renditions of white people.
>the boss pirates look exactly as you'd expect based on the original low-res sprites >Guybrush is too fricking tall and has a zoomer haircut
Frick the remake.
>be creator >produce product to sell to consumers in exchange for their hard eared money >consumers unhappy with product >consumers complain about product
The artsyle is horrendous
I got excited seeing another Monkey Island then the artstyle revealed itself to be absolutely terrible. The developer meltdown is just another mark against it.
you forget the dozens of other complaints that call the devs cucks and trannies, all because gamers don't want to buy a game.
why would you be so angry about not wanting to buy something?
>make a new entry in a beloved franchise >assume people will like it no matter what due to nostalgia >act surprised when everyone complains that it's low-effort trash
every time.
>Show product. >A lot of people don't like it. >A few morons behave like buttholes. >Pretend most people who didn't like the game are buttholes. >Now it's their fault they don't like a product, as if they were the ones that must please the author and not otherwise.
>talented people quit producing art when someone posts something mean on social media about them
you are not talented then, you are a grifter depending on good will and manipulation
Correct but sometimes its also that people often reveal how shit they always were with time. Could be he was always a homosexual but we never knew because he had no reason to ever show who he really was. Perhaps it was dumb luck or a strategic decision idk but it happens. I think Lorne Lanning is one of these kind of developers. Guy always had garbage taste and was able to go through unnoticed really until now.
Here's the real issue:
Gilbert never managed to recreate the criticial success he had with monkey island. He quit lucasfilm games in a fit of butthurt, before he realized the game was actually ultra popular in europe and developed into a cult hit.
At that point he was already running his failing startup company into the ground and all the games he tried making since then were flops and not nearly as well recieved as monkey island.
Even his "hit" game thimbleweed park was a pale, cynical and joyless recreation of his former lucas arts glory and even with that one the thing he probably heard the most was "this is kinda cool, I wish you would make a monkey island in this style".
So with monkey island being his only big call to fame (despite being a lucky collaborative effort) he's now trying to show everyone what a genius he's been all those decades where he only fumbled through failure after failure, disregarding all the talent of the original staff that made it happen.
This is a ego project and one that's going to fail spectacularly, because until now the story has always been "Tim Schaefer is a grifter, now GILBERT that guy was the real genius all along".
Meanwhile Schafer, for as much of a piece of shit as he is, still managed to make a good original franchise with psychonauts.
While gilbert is currently busy kamikaze'ing himsef and his legacy.
>Tim Schaefer is a grifter
He is most horrible person at handling a budget. But he delivers. >did a solid remaster of day of tentacle and full throttle >created psychonauts and delivered a worthy sequel after 15 years. >his studio smaller games are all cult classics or/and well received : brutal legends , costume quests, Stacking
No they didn't Broken Age was riddle with mismanagment and constantly going over budget. Plus the general game was fricking ass and 3 hours long at the most.
i played Thimbleweed Park
boy what a fricking let down
puzzles were moronic and you only got stuck pixel hunting for interactions
controlling 5 characters was tedious as frick as was exchanging items between them, all the jokes landed flat on their asses, almost all of them were either nostalgia references or 4th wall breaks, most locations were completely useless
and lets not even talk about the ending
sure, you want to go meta with a "characters are aware they are in a videgame ending"? fine, but at least make sure to tie all lose ends in the story
a lot of things were there just for the sake of being quirky and weird, but with no set up or pay off
seriusly, what a let down
at least with Broken Age, i could tell right away the game was gonna be shit the moment i saw the artwork, but Thimbleweed Park tricked me into playing it with nostalgia and severely underdelivered
Gilvert should have had more backlash than Shaffer over that shit game, but i guess he was still smart enough to keep his head down and mouth shut while Shaffer is an attention hog
Guess what, numb-nuts: it's possible to ignore facetious posts; but that doesn't benefit the narrative you're trying to push, so you do you - and when Return flops like a fat kid from a diving board, you'll regret having been so stupid in the first place.
None of the people throwing tantrums over the trailer were alive when any of the monkey island games launched
It's been a fricking trip watching the people older than me show off their lead poisoning while the people younger than me show off their phthalate and BPA poisoning
I love how everyone on both political spectrums (Just me typing that out is fricking outrageous, but it has to be said in current year) assblasted the creator since the art style is so fricking bad. It genuinely looks no different than those corporate schlock ads you see on Google's announcement ads or any other corporation. It absolutely makes me roll my eyes to see someone think this art style was okay to choose. The penis nose doesn't help either, holy shit. The dude wanted to subvert expectations and generate a reaction out of people, and holy hell he sure fricking did. I'm sure the game is fine but you cannot ignore the dreadful art style.
I looked through the comments section of gamestar.de (biggest german speaking gaming news site) and people are overwhelmingly disgusted by the art style.
Germany being the biggest adventure game market after all.
>Ganker zoomers are unable to contextualize internet comments >"ANON THE INTERNET COMMENTS HATE IT THAT'S EVERYBODY IN THE WORLD"
I love when responses make my point for me.
if there was a couple of years of game releases where anons would have no complaints and extreme will to buy all the games released, anons would call that a golden age.
basically, if a gamer wants to buy games without getting angry, things are going well for them!
None of the people throwing tantrums over the trailer were alive when any of the monkey island games launched
It's been a fricking trip watching the people older than me show off their lead poisoning while the people younger than me show off their phthalate and BPA poisoning
Broken age is a terrible fricking video game I hated almost 99% of playing.
And it has a flat style that reminds me of insurance ads, sure, but at least there's object separation and a sense of depth in the backgrounds + the characters has some appeal.
When I saw it for the first time I thought "hey this looks just like broken age" but I take that back, broken age looks better while going for the same stylistic ideas.
Anyway I don't get why people would tell a dev their games chosen artstyle sucks they'll just get angry and double down on their decisions or have enough cost sunk into the current art changing it is impossible. Like yeah it sucks and there's nothing that can be done about it so why even complain to the dude lol.
That is because broken age is made by actual team of artists who know what they are doing. Very weird and pretentious style artists but they are still good artists nevertheless. They understand the fundamentals of colors , perspective , clarity, composition etc they just choose to frick it over and turn it into that weird kids book style.
No self respecting artist would think about simplifying human eyes as they are the most important feature and the thing that allow the most to read emotion or connect with any character.
If you look at pic related the perspective is literally broken, it isn't just a "subjective artstyle" . It is just breaking perspective rules like a toddler for no reason. (You look at the railing from a front/top position while the podium is only in front view...)
An valid artstyle is when a skilled artist know all the fundamental and prefer to break them in subtle ways while keeping the minimum. Pic related is not an artstyle it is just plain off not respecting the most basic of perspective rules
The art guy made knights and bikes too and while it has similar stylistic choices it still looks decent. It even has those button eyes. I guess the context makes it work better?
Even then the main characters have more expressive eyes.
You said it yourself the main characters have expressive eyes. That kind of simplified art can work for joke or small side character. And even soo it still look like a puppet but that is okay in some contexts. But if you are meant to connect with said character and see their different expressing in an adventures/dialogue/story etc . It would never work.
I think that the old guard and many others just forget that online discourse is not the same as a real life one. I started noticing it long time ago with age how certain "rough" online statements are tough to read even for me and i spend a lot of time online.
Just look at politicians. Sometimes its just weird to read certain twitter things they wright, because you would think that no official can even say things like this. Now though, everyone is fine with it because the whole discourse moved online, so everyone participates, be it an official or some random florida redneck. The level of the official speech drops to the level of the redneck by default, but the redneck doesnt notice, since everyone thinks that he is educated enough and not an emberesment himslef
Tbh i just think that its mainly the level of education that doesnt let intenet to become something more than an opinion garbage bin, which leads me to believe that internet is too much for us to handle. Again i think that world wide web has changed the way public percept and decide on many things and we dont know yet how this will affect us in the future.
>get valid criticism >try to discredit your critics by lumping them in with the .001% of people who actually make threats
I instantly stop caring about any game this happens to. I'm just sick and tired of devs pulling this shit.
Gaymergate still cracks me up, because it was just Ganker shitting on kotaku as usual until they drew up a non existant boogieman (a coordinated hate group called gamer gate) and mouthbreathing idiots like sargon of cuckshed and ethan ralph attached themselves to the unmanned boogeyman, filling a role that kotaku had invented for them.
Just another one for the list
SJW GAMES/GAMES MADE BY SJW's THAT BOMBED >BattleFieldV >Mirrors Edge Catalyst >Wolfenstein 2 >Wolfenstein young lesbians >Anthem >Mafia 3 >Watch Dogs 2 >Mass Effect Andromeda >Lawbreakers >Sunset@ "NOT THE FRICKING OVERDRIVE ONE" >Revolution 60 >Depression quest >Life is strange 2 >Battleborn >Pillars of Eternity 2 >Dishonored 2 >Dishonored 2: Death of the Outsider >Tacoma >Virginia >Where The Water Tastes Like Wine >River City Girls >Tyranny >Drawn to Death >Agents of Mayhem >Bless Online >Hyper Universe >Telltale Games- the whole company >Baldur's Gate: Siege of Dragonspear >Dead Rising 4 >Bleeding Edge >2064: Read Only Memories >INVISIBLE >Orphan >DmC: DMC >Thi4f >MARVEL AVENGERS >Sam & Max Remastered >Medal of honor VR >=GOOGLE STADIA= >VTMB2 = BEFORE IT EVEN LAUNCHED >Crash 4 >RETURNAL >Destruction all stars >Magic: Legends >CRUCIBLE >DoubleFine = the whole company >deathflop >joyless adventures of empathy woman >RESIDENT EVIL 4 VR >BATTLEFIELD 2042 >battletoads 2020
NON SJW GAMES THAT GOT POZZLED AND SUFFERED FROM IT >Control >GEARS 5 >Wildstar >REmake 3 >FF7R PS4 >WoW >no more heroes 3 >TABLETOP SIMULATOR >tokyo mirage sessions >guardians of the galaxy
SJW GAMES THAT SOLD WELL >Borderlands 3 >Pathfinder >CoD fanfic
NON sjw games that used Woketards as free marketing and sold the sexy as DLC >Mortal Kombat 11 >DoA6 >GG STRIVE
>tabletop simulator
honestly a very peculiar case
why would you wanna play tabletop games with strangers who might grief or ruin your games anyway? tabletop games are mostly only fun with good friends.
Do you art will ever reach heights like this again? Modern artists seem perfectly content with corporate memphis that may as well be scribbled by a child.
>art can only be good, or at it's highest form, when it's pure realism
It's astounding how conservatives can't grasp artistic expression or surrealism. They think the measure of something is how long it took/how hard it was to make, as well as how well it can be compared to some preconceived "perfect" version of itself. They literally can't comprehend what makes art, art.
I'm willing to bet this is one of the root causes behind the modern obsession with realistic graphical fidelity in video games, and why art-styles like the one for this new game, regardless of subjective opinion, are shunned online and, ironically, attached to liberalism.
You're really going to roll out the 'muh realism' argument in defense of corporate memphis, which might have been spat out by an algorithm instead of a person and you'd never tell?
that's a good question
and i don't really think you even tried to answer it
are we really just gonna handwave everything to "it's art"
Art is expression. Sculptures that perfectly capture the human form, surrealist painting, and even postmodern works are all expressing something. The value and depth of that expression is subjective, but it always exists. No one is defending modern corporate artsyles as art because there's nothing to defend. If it's being used by a company to sell you something, there is no expression in it, because it's not trying to express anything. It's advertisement, which as its own merits, but it has nothing to do with art. This is entirely detached from what it actually looks like, however.
A game dev creating and using assets that, in your opinion, are similar to corporate memphis, is still producing art, since they are using those assets in a way that expresses something.
Picasso's African inspired shit looks like crap.
The reason why people like him are famous is because of greedy critics in the pocket of some tycoon. There's a reason why, for most of human history, art has been enjoyed by the general population, but now gallery art is the exclusive domain for only the most pretentious of fart sniffers and tax evaders.
Why don't you go tape a banana to a wall or something? homosexual.
Not him. The thing is that he added gay shit like: >People are just being mean and I'm having to delete personal attack comments. >Play it or don't play it but don't ruin it for everyone else. >The joy of sharing has been driven from me.
He should have ommited all of those statements.
yeah I guess but it's also playing along, making a big announcement about how the trolls scared you. Just do your thing and post what you want, when you want. If I'm trolling someone and they announce "That's it! I can't take it anymore! I'm going private until I'm ready to share something" then I'm gonna take that as a victory and look forward to my next chance to frick with this person
Never played Monkey Island, but the new art direction looks like something out of a soulless corporate poster or pamphlet.
It's very easy to imagine the face on the right having having some big speech bubble going on about diversity and inclusivity at the workplace, or covid safety practices.
they started measuring average testosterone in levels in the US around 1930-1940 and it's been steadily declining ever since then. The average young man today has about the same test as the average elderly man back then.
I blame a variety of factors, but as for chemicals, xenoestrogens are in almost everything that the modern person consumes, almost all food and water. Phytoestrogens, like onions and hops, are a more complex affair. For example, some weaker phytoestrogens actually REDUCE the effects of estrogen in the body, because they bind to estrogen receptors but do less than natural estrogen would, and far less than some potent xenoestrogens would. But other phytoestrogens are stronger, such as onions, and as such increase the effects of estrogen on the body. A common misconception is that phytoestrogen or xenoestrogen increases estrogen and/or decreases testosterone. Neither is true, neither affects the balance of these natural hormones in your system.
>Broscience
If you're going to make moronic claims about hormones the least you could do is take biochem first so you know how moronic you sound when you blame plant estrogens for low T.
Hint: the problem is phthalate exposure in utero from plastics, not fricking basedbeans
>It doesn't take a genius to understand where you stand politically
it's still hilarious to see normies realize you are talking about israelites when you talk about usury, degeneracy, ideological subversion and historical revisionism and don't even try to call them by name
Even so you still acknowledged most of the modern day problems and things people hate lead back to commie globalists which is good enough for me >It doesn't take a genius to understand where you stand politically
Do you? Do you really? Just going to stereotype me based on one thing I said?
All I acknowledged was that you and everyone that says the shit you do believe the same cult line. You are interchangeable.
If you think someone recognizing your prebuilt position is some kind of victory in the zeitgeist you're dumber than I thought.
2 years ago
Anonymous
That's a lot of words that ultimately mean nothing other then showing how agitated you are.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I don't know what those big words mean
I know.
2 years ago
Anonymous
at the end, you still do know what we know and you can identify the name of the enemy just by our description of their actions
you may want to sound like you are in denial of this, but all i read is butthurt at the realization that normalgays are also seeing this pattern you so behemothly reject
Nobody is gonna buy it. It's an adventure game, which is already a niche in modern times, and the art style is repugnant. All these articles and controversy won't equal sales. I honestly predict this will be his last game, he's lost it.
>Video Games Matter, it's an important artform, the politics of video games are important >lol you neckbeards who cares it's literally an electronic toy for kids stop caring so much
Which one?
Why do these kind of articles and response from creators happens with games and movies/shows? no one will ever jump to someone's defense or cry on the internet if a fridge or a bag of chips get criticized.
I blame /misc/gays.
So /misc/ were the good guys all along?
Always have been
Hyukhyukhyukhyuk
He's a pussy who can't take the bantz. Which were mild anyways. Normal shitposters actually laughing at the game. Not politics.
By "/pol/gays" I actually meant "Gamergaters".
It's "gators", with an O. Nobody says it with the E.
Gamergate was over 6? years ago anon. You can let it go and move past it.
8 years to be exact
>its 6-8 years ago
>think that those gays suddenly died/disappeared in that timeframe
You know that people can live for longer than that, right?
I fail to see how exposing suspect and corrupt video game journalists with ties to BlackRock is a bad thing.
It feels like 20 tbh. It feels like it's been here forever.
really? feels like fricking yesterday to me
anon GG is the holocaust of video games
So it never really happened?
So...grossly exagerrated if not completely made up?
a piece of cope for alt righters to clutch to and claim they're being oppressed
>muh aut righters
I didn't know it was still 2017
>letting things fly this far over your head
You should both drop whatever you're doing and enter a career in competitive limbo dancing
you are clearly a newbie,
No one can stop us
>tfw no kaiju gf
When thinking of gamer gate that fat moron who got his ass handed to him in portugal comes to mind.
The other guy who beat him down is no different. It's hardly a united movement. Or a movement at all. Just some are bigger lolcows than others.
>Gamergate lives rent free in my head
Go shoot your self with the journalist who cant not move on
And the mask slips, as it always does.
GG is truly the internet shoah. They won't stop kvetching about the fact that we saw them for what they are.
Gamergaters aren't real you fricking moron.
When was the last time you saw a gator playing video games? They can't, they don't have apposable thumbs and even if they did the console would break when they took it in the water!
I'm a gamergator ask me anything
This got em good because it's the truth.
Turboincels who are permanently mad at video games and women didn't magically disappear after gamergate blew over.
They mutated into alt-right trumpanzees, and then THAT blew over but they're still around.
this. Gamergate is unironically the worst thing that happened in the last 10 years.
And I could draw a line even further linking it all to women being subpar human beings.
Check and mate.
wait no
stop
if only blue-haired women didn't sap the fun from videogames that i didn't want to buy...
Gamergate was Russia's troll farms perfecting their protocols for fabricating controversy
You leftoids are the worst thing to happen to humanity in the last 100 years.
You lost. Cope.
Sounds like more leftoid copium addict projection to me.
>unironically
back to fricking REDDIT b***h
ok groomer
The only bad thing about Gamergate is they were unable to finish the job. Hopefully they will in the future.
The bad thing about gamer gate is that it never was a thing in the first place and some low IQ mongrels from Ganker were happy to larp the role kotaku wrote for them.
At the start it was just Ganker chaotically shitting on video game journalists for fun, then they overreacted and claimed a neonazi hate group was out to get them and it was called "gamer gate" and low IQ morons from Ganker were really happy to play the part instead of letting them shout into the void.
I blame the moronic woke corporatist zeitgeist that needs to die already. And all the enabling homosexual bootlickers like you too of course.
Yes, continue to lump people who don't like a game's artstyle with literal neo nazi's. I'm sure that is going to work out in the long run.
It's about as close to nazis as what leftists think nazis are.
Shit soulless art style frick off and trash this shit game
He’s gonna have to release it eventually and people will just mock it then instead of now
but he needs press attention now, which is why he is pretending to be hurty now. it works tho
People like this always surround themselves with yes men then act surprised when folk outside of their circle don't share the same opinions
This. No one has the balls to say any of the new ideas Hollywood or the game industry puts out there these days literally stuck shit through a straw. It totally does, but no one is willing to voice it from within their industry for fear of not having any part in it to begin with.
I don't get how someone watches a minute long medicine commercial or looks at the support section of a website and says "yeah, I want my video game to look like that."
Only criticism will get rid of it no matter how many times they claim they're getting death threats.
This is the type of moron to triple down. No amount of b***hing or moaning will change the art style. He's going to keep it like that to spite everyone now
Did you think they were going to alter an entire game's visual design mid production because people were being obnoxious morons at the guy?
Found the moronic dev. What're you doing here bro. Shouldn't you be crying on twitter?
Do you have an actual rebuttal to my statement or are you just practicing your internet tough guy routine?
Your "statement" was equally as moronic as the decision choose this "art" style, Ronald. Yes I expect them to change that soulless, corporate art-style mid production.
OK and that's an unreasonable demand realistically. You need to have alot of money and leeway deadline wise to be able to scrap most of the game to rework it from the ground up. I understand not liking it, I'm not a huge fan either but to think whining online will result in this massive shift in design is silly.
>scrap most of the game from the ground up
It's the art-style moron. Just the coat of paint over the actual code that runs the game.
>unreasonable expectations
And there you go activating my ultimate trap card - Sonic the Hedgehog.
Shut up developer cuck
You have 2 choices: bury head in sand, and fail with your shitty game that alienated fans;
Fire your shitty globohomosexual artist, redo it from scratch and try to get your fans goodwill back, considering how popular Monkey Island and Lucasarts were years ago it shouldn't be hard to find a passionate artist on deviantart willing to do it for pennies.
Look at No Man's Sky, game got shitposted to hell and back and now it's a success story because devs listened and implemented features fans asked for.
Sonic movie did it, became a smashing success, made enough money for a sequel and 3rd one is hyped by its autistic fans so it will probably be a success too.
Sonic appears like 20 minutes in the while thing and in the end is just 1 model you cant compare that to all the assets a fricking game needs
What the frick are you talking about
If he cared about his game he'd boot the moron that did the art design for this.
If they just remove the dick nose. I could live with the change. Maybe there will be a mod a few months after release.
I don't think anyone expects them to change the art, but they definitely should do that. When they're working on an old game with a dedicated game, they can't just slap on their own person style or choices. Personalising something that's so personal to so many others is so unwise and frankly outrageously selfish.
I never enjoyed the Monkey Island games, but at least I understsnd that you shouldn't frick with something that others already hold so dear.
with a dedicated fanbase*
It's too fricking warm, I swear.
This is doubly true on a game running purely on nostalgia value to begin with.
I don't care what they do. lazy devs who make low effort garbage deserve to have that garbage fail.
I'm just here to laugh at it and shame them to set an example for other devs not to use garbage corporate papercraft style with crappy tween animation.
>Start making product for the purpose of generating a profit
>Find out half way into production that significant portions of the market do not like aspects of your product
Its basic sunk cost mentality. An intelligent person will alter their product to access the greatest possible market share.
Now if this is a passion project none of this maters. Only the creators views mater and if they like it its good.
Then the only option is to keep bullying him to suicide.
God I hope so. The harvest is coming up soon. Need blood for the soil.
Ron Gilbert strikes me as someone perpetually stuck in 2007, when this ugly-ass corporate art style was all the rage with milennial graphic designers.
I don't mind it but yeah it does remind me of this shit
imo the monkey island style is 3, the cartoonishness just works with everything
to me it's more than that. Monkey Island is a funny game with a lot of dumb jokes, the idea that because it's a comedy that it needs an overly cartoony artstyle is fricking stupid. The entire reason the first Monkey Island was so good was because it's original art style was actually serious and realistic. It gave off a very Air Plane/Mel Brooks film feel to it. I really thinks that's a huge reason why most modern day comedies are shit. They feel like they just have to go full hog on the comedy and it enters in to this meta feeling of being constantly reminded that what you are watching is a joke and not real. Ghostbusters is a pretty good example of what I mean. It's not really a funny movie but what makes the comedy work is that they take everything seriouse. They aren't constantly trying to point out how dumb they are and how fake everything is. If anything it's almost the opposite as they constnatly have characters who doubt them only to be completely btfo and need the Ghostbusters to save the day. Now look at something like this "hit" new SNL short.
The entire joke is just them pointing out how weird David Pumpkin is and they don't even do it in a subtle way either. It's just the entire joke of pointing out that it's a joke.
Fair point.
For as unfunny as David S. Pumpkins was, at least the last bit had a semi-decent punchline with him giving them their one and only real scare on the entire ride. It's a lot more than you can say about most SNL skits these days.
Yeah, man. Super realistic.
For 1990, that IS really fricking realistic.
Just look at these photorealistic styles from previous monkey island games
You're making a argument in bad faith here and you know it you disingenuous piece of shit.
>You're making an argument in bad faith by pointing out that what I said was wrong and moronic!
The guy you replied to said the reason the FIRST monkey island worked was the contrast between realism and cartoony content.
Which is objectively true.
Then you post a screenshot from monkey island 3, to somehow disprove his point.
>Bruh Monkey Island one didn't work because of excellent writing, it worked because of six pixelated close ups!
Look at the photorealism! What a deadly choreographed swordfight!
Nah, shut up homosexual.
Still arguing in bad faith, you loser.
The dude wrote the mix of grounded setting and comedy content gave it a mel brooks/naked gun type vibe, which made it work.
Which is true, and also includes the writing - obviously.
You're just mentally stunted.
>Grounded setting
He didn't say grounded setting, he said realistic graphics.
This entire conversation is about the graphic style
You are mentally handicapped
I guess Last Crusade is cartoony too then.
It certainly isn't fricking photorealistic
Noone said it is.
>The entire reason the first Monkey Island was so good was because it's original art style was actually serious and realistic
Being illiterate isn't a great look on a text board.
How is that illiterate?
If you could read maybe you'd be able to figure it out
I read the entire thing just fine. It made complete sense.
>Serious and realistic
>Photorealistic
Those are two different quotes anon, one you said, the other he said. Try and guess which. Because photorealistic is a very different thing from realistic
zoomer detected
i know it may be hard to grasp for someone spoiled by HD textures but back in the day, game art was limited by technology so we got pixel representations and filled the blanks with our own imagination
surely a game like Contra looks childish to you who grew up shooting the covenant, ganados and necromorphs, but for everyone who lived those year, those fricking pixel aliens were stuff of nightmares
>I can't fricking read
Sad.
hmm remove the characters, that background looks cool
Yeah it sucks but honestly I hope this will be the last monkey island because there's no good reason series should continue for eternity. It's fine for things to end or just not resolve cliffhangers.
It'd have been way cooler if it had been a pirate themed game from ron gilbert with only a subtle connection to MI. But that's just me.
To be fair MI3 was kind of misstep in terms of the series imo. It pays less homage to pirate media like pirates of tortuga/treasure island and has become more disneyfied. And the anon was talking about the first one so this argument is moot anyway.
Yeah, they look much better
God I love the captain rottingham chapter
it doesn't have to be realistic to look nice
i wasn't on board with 3's art direction when i first saw it, but the amount of work, talent and passion of the creators shined through every detail in the artwork and writing so the new style quickly grew up on me
Can't wait for the meta commentary when a strawman of (you) gets destroyed in game
Why is everyone suddenly so fragile and how can civilisation survive? I'm genuinely concerned. People who aren't even smart enough to realise their field involves exposure to endless numbers of trolls and buttholes start crying at things they should be able to shrug off and ignore and then start acting with less grace than children. I wouldn't mind if it was just drama queen game devs, but it's not, not even close.
Buddy you're asking about fragility on a board that regularly has threads crying about people they don't like up 24/7
take your meds scizzo
Empathy in the species is a weakness, it allowed us to progress to civilization but it makes us keep the weak too. This will lead to a tipping of the scales and the weak will die, this is the cycle of humanity
factually incorrect on every point
>disagrees with darwin
Sure thing
I think you mean sympathy. Empathy is just a tool.
Empathy/sympathy has nothing to do with taking criticism.
In this case, it's a matter of being too high on your own farts to know what's good for you. People can feel sympathy towards your creation by giving it proper criticism, but if you're a little b***h and throw a fit over it, then it's on you.
there's been little to none proper criticism, esp from Ganker. its all "i feel-s" and "it's just-es".
>its all "i feel-s" and "it's just-es".
Weird, because all I'm reading is "it's bland" or "it's shit".
its both "too bland and generic" and so intrusive and different there's been dozens of threads complaining about it.
Looks like an NFT
How is old good new bad not proper criticism? Without the critique having to go into detail, the creator knowd exactly how to identify their shortcomings; compare the new to the old, see how it's different, and change those aspects.
old medieval times were good because people died of excess gas and bathed in urine. new modern times are bad because those are no longer a problem.
what people are complaining about is that the art is now too different. the devs did exactly as you said.
>going back to medieval times when clearly old in the context of Monkey Island refers to the old games
kys
no, that wasn't clear in the context. you were talking about "old good new bad" being good criticism. from that, i have no idea what your scope would be.
There was a point in history where bathing in urine was the new cool thing, meanwhile Greek/Roman hygiene was the old thing. Keep bathing in the urine of Ron Gilbert, moron.
People aren't complaining because the art is different but because the art looks bad. If the art looked good, just differerent, no one would complain.
i would complain if i didnt like the art too , i did for the 3d shit ones
>diverts from discussion about a sequel in a media franchise to the fricking middle ages for no reason at all
Okay, you're a moron. Got it.
But for the sake of giving you an actual argument, on top of calling you a moronic gorilla ape: the art is low effort, so imagine I'm the "artist" who works on this game. I just pop up MS Paint, draw the characters from memory and call it a day.
Then people complain that the art is dogshit, which it is. I can just pull up the "UGHH YOU'RE COMPLAINING THE ART IS DIFFERENT, GET USED TO IT" like your dumb monkey ass says.
>I'm the "artist"
>"artist"
Not him. Rex Crowle did a good job with Tearaway and the LittleBigPlanet games, though. And he hasn't said much about the controversy (besides the fact that he likely made exactly what Ron Gilbert asked him to do).
you don't know if the effort put into the art was low. that's a guess at best. you're propping up your argument with a fantasy scenario you made up yourself where you're correct.
plus, the artist used Photoshop.
>you don't know if the effort put into the art was low.
Oh, please do tell me, if you were to open up Photoshop and try and recreate the first three versions in this lineup, which one would take you the most time to accurately recreate?
the artist of the first one could've painted it very quickly. it might've been effortless for him.
again, this is something you can't quantify. you might be able to do the 3rd example quicker on average, but it's not indicative of effort.
that's just being disingenuous
"the first picture is very detailed but who was to say if it wasn't very easy and effortless to do?"
really? so just about anyone can make that in their sleep, right, so why aren't we all effortlessly churning out stuff like that
read carefully.
i was saying that there is no way to tell just how much effort the first painting took FOR THAT PARTICULAR ARTIST. are you saying you are able to objectively and accurately say which artist spent the most effort doing either piece?
i think the right term to use here is not effort, but "production value".
to make the first picture (effort or no effort) takes a certain amount of expertise, compounded upon through years of experience and study, possibly quantifiable by money. (value)
the other ones visibly take less expertise to make, less years of experience to do
ts mostly the pink dick nose here, the face shape isnt too bad
you only say that because the head shape is similar to 1997's which was already a lower quality departure from the original
effort =/= quality
you can spend alot of time polishing a turd, it doesn't mean the time you spend doing so didn't existed, just heavily misplaced
yes. im aware that quality is not the same as effort. that's what I've been saying all along.
Wars were started for less
zoomer generation graduated from muttistan colleges years ago and mutt education system is run and has been run by fragile leftist crybabies for decades now, they churn out overtly sensitive manchildren that have been brought up to form their own tiny little echo chamber and any other views or meany words unsettles their tiny little heads
people have always been fragile
They are trying to use the inevitable negative comments that you get from literally anything you do publicly at that scale for marketing. It's free exposure and picks up the ears of circlejerks like Resetera where suddenly liking this game with zero room for criticism will own le heckin chuds.
The issue is too many love to bait and too many love to bite bait now instead of just ignoring trolls. "Don't feed the trolls" is a thing of the past.
>how can civilisation survive?
it wont
Just pretend to be a victim of online bullying and you get immunity for being a lazy and talentless hack and bunch of white knight defenders.
>civilisation is doomed because game devs are increasingly unwilling to put up with the socially inept and "I waz just trollin u bro xD" manchildren
Go outside
>Why is everyone suddenly so fragile and how can civilisation survive?
it can't just look how fricked the westen world is, both us and UK/CA are fricked beyond comprehension and its leading to their downfalls
I blame the generation of growing up on the internet and all the fame that came with it. The endless pampering and censorship from big platforms is causing people to grow weak, sheltered and protected. Parents and schools are also in on this, they barely enact any discipline. The biggest mistake we could have made is to allow these techno corpos blend reality with our online activity. I wonder what kind of future will it hold for my nephews.
The person you're talking about was in his 30's when dos was invented
Your vapid opinion is informed not by any research or knowledge of human behavior, but by memes and limited access to a tiny subsection of the population, along with a heavy dose of cope.
>present garbage
>people didn't like it
>"OMG IT'S NOT WHOLESOME!"
wholesome culture is literally the most toxic culture
>wholesome culture is literally the most toxic culture
Because it is disingenuous. People put the "wholesome" mask when it suits them, but behind curtains they're much worse than "toxic" people who are true to self.
AH HELP SOMEONE SAID THEY WONT BUY MY GAME THIS IS THE WORK OF INTERNET BULLIES
>it's an amazing game, i as the creator, say so, not you, the filthy consumer, you just have to buy and shut your dirty peasant mouth.
>you just have to buy
he literally says you don't have to play it.
he also says hes not open for criticism which isnt an option.
i don't see that in the quote.
besides, he's the one making it - you can scream at him all you want, if he doesn't want to do it, he won't.
you aren't owed anything.
what the frick are you talking about esl? he wont what? listen homosexual, you put something into the public sphere and its going to be criticized. if you charge money for it it will be judged even harsher. he chose to go with that shit art style, now hes enjoying the results.
>he wont what?
change the art.
>he chose to go with that shit art style, now hes enjoying the results.
and he's turned off comments on his own site and is sticking to his guns as is his right to do.
>sticking to his guns
amazing how you try to make this look like some brave man standing up in the face of adversity and not some moron shooting his project in the foot and then asking why its limping. buy his game, buy 19 copies. hes going to need your support bootlicker. ill be enjoying the fallout from afar.
>some moron shooting his project in the foot and then asking why its limping
he's not asking why it's limping, he just doesn't like the personal abuse.
>buy his game,
i'm not buying this garbage, it looks like shit.
and yet you will defend it online. i know the clip art should be telling you to see a doctor but i honestly think suicide is a good option for you.
>and yet you will defend it online
i will defend ron gilbert's right to make a shitty looking game.
you people robbed me of seeing the abomination that was hyper-real sonic and i will never forgive you for it.
I agree with most of what you're saying but let's be honest, it's not because of the abuse. He's having a cry about the legitimate, thought out criticism and using the inevitable personal abuse that comes with any public engagement to completely disregard it all and retreat into a safe space.
>He's having a cry about the legitimate, thought out criticism
sure, anyone who has worked on "art" knows that it feels like shit being told that your art don't look great. but i am all for him disregarding it all if this is the thing he really wants to make.
the real problem is this:
you now have a consumer class of man-children who consoomed some media during their youth and their marketing-rotted-brains feel like they have some form of ownership over the media. they do not. sure there is a symbiotic nostalgia-money chain here, but if someone making a thing puts their foot down and says "i'm doing it this way" then the dipshit who has nothing to do with the project needs to frick off and stop whining about it.
I can't agree. If you're going to court the goodwill of people for attention and gain, then you can't complain when they react to how you handle that goodwill. He's free to do whatever he wants, its a free country, but you cant simultaneously benefit from goodwill and reputation amongst fans then have a meltdown when those fans are critical of you. Make a new game if you want to be free of the shackles of expectation. This is like defending Thi4f for saying "you don't need to be a thief".
as far as i'm concerned, the stakeholder exploiting the goodwill is free to deploy said goodwill in any manner they choose, including radical departures of any kind. yes, there is an economic argument, and the needs of consumers must be regarded etc for commercial success.... but if the stakeholder chooses to throw caution to the wind, so be it. ultimately consumers must learn they are consoomers and not creators.
his histrionics to me suggests he's actually personally invested in this, which is charming in a way.
lmao, i actually think the game looks like shit too.
See
He's personally invested, yeah, but not in a good or productive way.
He's had decades of having his dick sucked unconditionally, and now people started telling him he needs to wash his dick finally if he wants more sucking, and he couldn't handle it.
look, man, if this somehow leads to ron gilbert's balan wonderworld then it will all have been worth it.
just take the fricking hint ron. we hate it. everyone does. nobody cares how right you feel. game looks like shit, thats your fault. its going to sell like shit. thats still your fault. its going to sell even worse after your twitter rant. this is absolutely the fault of your own actions, not the mean old forum posters. you made something that is objectively bad, you did it because you thought it was clever marketing. you were wrong. the only entitled person in this is you, not the people youre trying to sell something to.
Or you could just make a good product instead of making something low effort and unappealing to most, then getting mad at people when they say they don't like it because you expected to coast off of your previous successes.
>you aren't owed anything
a business transaction is a two way street. if he wants to make a game, he needs to swallow his pride and consider they possibility he may be wrong.
>a business transaction is a two way street.
there is no business transaction happening here.
you haven't bought anything. if you don't like thing, don't buy it.
are you being moronic? are they giving it away for free? do you not understand why they are making a game? I'll let you in on a secret, they aren't doing it for the feels or nostalgia.
what part of
>if you don't like thing, don't buy it.
do you have trouble with?
>don't buy it
it sounds good to say, but fast forward to release and no one gives a shit, suddenly their tune changes.
Pretty sure this isn't just going on his shelf for him to admire when it's done, it's not his personal project, it's a product to be sold and he's telling prospective buyers to frick off.
It's his right to do what he wants with monkey island. It's his franchise, his mind-spawn and ultimately his story to tell.
If he decides to frick it up in spectacular fashion it's amusing.
It's especially amusing because its the reverse of star wars.
Star wars was bought by disney and ruined.
Monkey Island was handed back to the original owner by disney with complete creative freedom and a huge budget - and he decides to fricking drive it against the wall and proceeds to shout about online harassment.
It's especially interesting because gilbert always seemed like a more level-headed person than tim schaefer, but in the end he's turning out to be an even bigger clown.
I'm sure they are making games that aren't meant for sale...
no one's forcing you to buy it, buddy.
if the art style causes this game to fail commercially then that's on him.
make that happen by not buying it.
more people making stuff need to give less of a frick what audiences think, because it's how weird, cool shit happens. it's not happening here, mind you, but let the man dig his own hole on his terms.
Ok sweety, then next time some booba, chain mail bikini game cames out dont sperg out and demand boycotts because it "demeans womyn" or some other made up bullshit.
luv me some big booba game, buddy.
You didn't read his comment at all lmao
Well you don't seem to understand!
According to the first Argument, you are not allowed to criticise anything, because you should simply not buy it and shut up.
We'll see how that works out...
You have to buy it but you don’t have to play it. Don’t you know anything about modern video games? It’s about showing what a good ally you are.
frickin sour grapes. he doesn't have the balls to take a step back and consider that he may be in the wrong.
Gilbert never got to make monkey island 3 because he quit lucas arts in a fit of butthurt, made his own company, fricked that up big time and got addicted for WoW for almost 20 years.
The dude is a washed up hasbeen who always managed to sabotage himself by being stubborn and wienery.
sounds like history repeating itself
lol cant even take a little valid critique. The game looks like shit.
They should have hired those german chicks that were in charge of deponia art instead. Better art and higher woke-bonus so win-win for everyone.
Ron Gilbert wanted that art style since 2009.
>higher woke-bonus
i guess you haven't played Deponia if you think association with it will yield any +woke bonus
MC is a fricking chad and a grade A butthole (possibly a genetic engineered psychopath)
he is like the reverse Guybrush, while all his antics blew up in his face in slapstick fashion, all of Ruffus antics blow in everybody else's face and Ruffus usually gets away with it
Not the anon you're replying to but I always thought the deponia games looked kind of cringe but since I really enjoyed primordia I've been looking for adventure games to try. I'll give this series a shot anon.
you will be laughing your ass all the way through m80
the game is very well made at it gets you into the head of the protagonist
at one point i was solving moon logic puzzles just by thinking what was the most reckless, harmful and irresponsible thing i could do with the alternatives available
i was even able to solve one puzzle that broke the 4th wall in the same game Metal Gear 1 did when it had you check the back of the game box to find Merryl's codex frequency
With "higher woke-bonus" i meant for hiring women instead of a bloke who cant draw for shit.
German/euro point and clicks are a bit dopey but you can tell they're full of dead set passion for the medium. I played Zniw Adventures earlier this year and while it is kind of simple and childish everything in that game was made because the author fricking loves dinosaurs and PNC.
I would frick the life back into that skeleton
Chad please, not now.
How long until the media goes after gamers for simply not buying a game they’re pushing?
Already happens.
We reached that point with DmC: Devil May Cry.
You mean like those bigos who refused to buy TLOU2?
Frickin Hitler, each and every one of them.
When is he going to publicly apologise?
Imagine getting upset about bots sending hatemail.
Never even heard of this game, don't tell me it's something to do with the NFT monkey pictures
nothing to do with NFTs at all. the creator just picked this hideous style and now he's REEEEEing because people are telling him it's hideous.
LOOK AT THE LITTLE homosexual WITH THE HORRIFYING ARTSTYLE
YEAH BUDDY, THAT'S THE WHOLE GAME
THAT LITTLE homosexual'S GOT WRITING CREDITS
THAT LITTLE homosexual WORKED FOR LUCASARTS
WE GOT TO BAN ALL THOSE HATEFUL COMMENTS, SHUT OUR BLOG DOWN, AND HIDE AWAYYYYYYYYY
WE GOT AN ISLAND, A CUBIC GUYBRUSH
IT'S A GOOD JOB WE'RE NOT AT E33333333333
you didn't even try to make your shitty word vomit match the cadence of the song you fricking autistic homosexual. 0/10 join Ron Gilbert in killing yourselves.
>After people told me I'm bad for shitting in their face, I'm going to stop shitting in their face. Let's see how they enjoy that then
Good. Let's hope he pulls a Phil Fish and just cancels the whole game next.
fine by me, he can't remove my gog copy of the original, so he can frick right off with his pompous behavior. let him go to an echo chamber where he and his cronies are free to huff his farts without fear of different opinions.
Whats wrong Ron?
Didn't provoke enough of a response?
The best response
>or how I should talk to my doctor to see if Monkey Island is right for me
>It's truly unfortunate that your brave, ... artistic decision just so happens to be visibly indiscernible from cheap ... corprorate art
Jesus frick that's worse than a death threat, it's just murder at that point
>using ellipses properly
frick right off u gay c**t.
>That's a well thought out response, too bad someone else said something mean so now you're all as bad as each other and I don't need to think about this again 🙂
Reminder that comments such as these have been labeled
>TOXIC
>ABUSIVE
>RUINING ALL CONSTRUCTIVE DISCUSSION
>AN EXAMPLE OF MANCHILD OUTRAGE
i agree with characters being too indistinct from the background, mostly due to the shape designs and palettes being too similar. guybrush has a big white shirt for a reason! its not a huge deal, but they missed out on diversifying the look of the game via a background painting style that would also separate active objects from inactive objects ingame. also agree with the stick figure swordfight. not a fan. a lot of character expression lost by switching away from individually animated frames (also, characters are seemingly unable to move in 3 dimensions. i predict most of the action is going to look boring because of this)
here's problems. the detail is flat... because its flat art. that's by design. silhouettes are FAR from interchangeable, because that's something they put a lot of effort towards ala monkey island 4 to not lose the characters too much as they get smaller.
what does he mean by "atmosphere", specifically? there IS atmosphere, to the extent that people are talking and complaining about it in droves. maybe he means that he doesn't like whatever he means by "atmosphere", but he doesn't elaborate.
only guybrush has a penis nose, as far as i can tell.
this guys definition of art is extremely strange. if a picture is made with the intent to subvert, it can't be counted as art? im pretty sure a TON of people go to art exhibits to be surprised and astonished. as far as i know, the history of art doesn't consist of the same painting of a tree and some hills being duplicated endlessly and without variation.
>impression being given off
whos impression? this guy cant quantify in any meaningful way whether literally everyone likes the art just because its different, so i can only assume what he's saying is that the art is telling him, specifically, that he HAS to see it as nothing but "different". weird thoughts. the problem with fans is that you can't be a fan of something until it comes out. by definition, a fan doesn't know >
what they want; it has to be given to them by a designer.
i agree the character art bears some resemblance to "corporate art", mostly because they're both flat art. but again, this guy gets weird thoughts about how the art is telling him that its callous and the devs are just out to make a quick buck (although people have been complaining mostly that the art is going to be very detrimental to sales. maybe the problem is that they WANT the devs to make a quick buck?)
we're not being sold the same car with a new coat of paint. its a new car that looks a bit odd.
and yes, the devs have said that they wanted a visual look that was provocative (although at the same time, anons say it looks boring, cheap and indistinguished). i think they succeeded! im not a huge fan of the character look, though. they removed a lot of ability for characters to physically express themselves with squished faces sometimes full of small detail with dot eyes. i think they missed out.
>devs are just out to make a quick buck
yeah, remaking a game for the third time is a loveletter to art and videogames as a whole lmao. just end yourself
remakes don't have to be love letters.
christ.
Posts like this are the "death threats" he's been receiving
>provocative and surprising
"Holy SHIT, that looks awful!"
I have to admit it did surprise me
>provocative, shocking, and not what everyone was expecting
Well, you managed to do that. And what did you expect? An unanimous acceptance? You made it "provocative" and "shocking" on purpose and now can't bear any criticism? Fricking pathetic.
To be fair, monkey island sits on a ridiculously ultrahigh pedestal thanks to homosexuals talking it up and memeing guybrush forever, and that shit undoubtedly has gone straight to his head over the decades.
For him, it's probably like getting married, and immediately after the kiss while everyone's applauding, his wife goes "by the way I hate you, I'm fricking a black dude named B-Z I want you to financially support, and my entire family will be moving in with us to start a mail order business selling bathroom tile."
Gilbert also made the mistake of conflating his collaborative creation from 30 years ago with his own ego.
Arguably a big part of the success of monkey island is due to the incredible art staff in the first 3 games and the funny writing, which happened by accident, because the placeholder dialogue seemed more funny to the staff than what was original intended for the script to be.
>WAAAAAH PEOPLE ON THE INTERNET ARE MEANY WEANIE
what a fricking baby. move over homosexual i wanna have a go at your moms breasts because clearly you’re still a fricking infant and you’re hogging all the breast milk
show a better game next time
Gamers these days are morons.
Never cater to them. If you yourself think the game is good then that's good enough. It doesn't matter what the audience says. If nobody buys it just market it
>if your shitty game doesn't sell well just waste more money on it
it's a good thing most companies aren't as moronic as you
Git gud.
Indie game dev here. I hate gamers and I hate fanbases. They don't know what makes a game good.
What's the matter? No one bought your walking sim about life as a pink and blue haired queer trans woman?
>They don't know what makes a game good.
That's true, but they do know a bad game when they see it.
I swear I check this shit board once or twice a day and each day it's word for word the same threads about the same shit.
Gotta keep the faux outrage machine running. This week it's monkey Island, next week it'll be something equally as vapid.
game looks like cheap digital plastic, it should have the aesthetics of monkey island 1 and 2.
Honestly this dev should just cancel the game and kill himself.
Fricking trash.
Gilbert is a decade late to cash in on the israelitestarter nostalgia, Josh Sawyer and that Deep Fine guy already built three houses upon it.
they changed the gay flag AGAIN? what the frick is the yellow with black circle now? do homosexuals even know anymore?
Two spirit, look it up it’s hilarious
What's immoral emotional? "Liberal" Progressivism?
yes they changed the flag again
they are very mentally unstable
>pic
looks like a dictator with fruity taste conquered england.
Literally
I hate that flag for design reasons, but here it actually looks kinda cool
gays ruined rainbows forever, such a shame.
Its even cooler if you combine 4 of those
My favourite part is how blacks and browns now have to be part of degeneracy and are included on this disgusting flag
I swear it's pol that drives the far left
From leftmost being 1:
3 > 1 > 4 > 2 > 5 > 6 > 7
Hope he hires Van Valkenburg to write quips.
Jesus fricking christ this shit makes me puke, i hope the guy get his hands bashed or cut so he cant poison the vidya world anymore.
Trump lost
Roe v Wade too
And non-Americans should care why exactly?
>nobinary and bisexual
isn't this a contradiction?
Dude is just a creepy sex pervert who looks like buffalo bill and claims he's a "lesbian". If you look up older photos of him before growing his hair out he looks like your average incel neckbeard who isnt getting laid.
Im gonna ship the first 5 guybrush with the 5 shantaes
Shantae stayed sexy
Oh right. Because he’s a pirate.
Don't forget they have a list they use to coordinate these type of articles
https://deepfreeze.it/article.php?a=gjp
Just a small-time globohomosexual propaganda squad waiting to mature to slava ukraini
Maybe if you didn't have a game with such a shit style. He's not even a true honest person if he feels like he has to bastardize a beloved game by many.
*messages your son on discord*
>japanese penis nose
I actually like the art style, it's pretty fresh. There isn't a lot of games with that style, i guess guacamelee is closest. Shame i couldn't care less about Monkey Island though. People should wait and judge it when it comes out instead of going full autism; dev sounds like a turbotard who should just shut his mouth however.
>Monkey Island creator says he's done sharing the new game
I'm done looking at it.
I can't stop looking at the progression of this disease.
god I love the style in the first one so much
the blue hue of the night just makes me cream myself, especially the sky
the "remake" did good with the night coloring, even if the digital art is sort of sloppy and the characters look weird as frick
the new one captures NONE of that feel
They are also closer to the fire and each other, there are no stupid sky twirls or owls because the morons were afraid to depict empty space...
Unironically it doesn't look that bad if it wasn't for the horrible characters.
It is a small indie project and the studio only experience with art is thimbleweed park....
If this was a pure puzzle or 2D side scroller game , it would be fine.
But this is a game centered around dialogue with well beloved characters. It is a fricking shame to have characters that look like sewed kid dolls.
>It is a small indie project
Where the frick has their huge given Disney budget gone?
>huge given Disney budget
>disney
>giving money
Disney threw star wars ip to the highest bidder that was EA. That is how much they care about investing in games.
Hell , they probably didn't even notice they own the monkey island ip for years probably. Ron been mailing them for years with no answers. Probably once he had his small success with thimbleweed they noticed him. I am willing to bet my love of monkey island that it is just devolver digital financing the whole thing while disney is just taking a cut of profit for "allowing them to use the IP"
You're probably right.
I wonder what the budgets of the previous Monkey Island games were considering Ron has confirmed this one has the biggest budget of all.
And these days it seems like 50% us goes to marketing.
> Ron has confirmed this one has the biggest budget
I didnt read that. But it is not a huge surprise. Ron only talks about the first two games. The first monkey island was a small team effort in side lucasart. It is just that lucasart happened to be the place with most talented nerds and passionate people because of the star wars craziness. Also back then they didn't need to hire voice actors or crazy modern marketing.
The second game was in developement before the first game success so i suppose it wasn't that largely different in term of team. Also it is dishonest to compare a 30 year old game budget with a today game budget given the inflation etc.
The sky. The night sky tho.
Honestly it's just hard to look at. Details don't jump out at you.
wait, this whole thing is just a remake Ron Gilbert is currently working on? I thought this was an entirely new MI game.
It's a soft reboot. Do you remember the ending of 2? Curse simply dismisses it, and the special edition even adds a line after the credits that dismisses the whole thing as a voodoo curse that Guybrush simply breaks free of.
This game is supposedly the real continuation because Ron Gilbert wasn't involved in Curse.
I thought the whole reason why 2 was retconned in the first place was because the ending didn't leave any room for a continuation. Do the reboot is going with the premise that all that is happening is just Guybrush and his brother playing pirates at an amusement park?
I don't know, it's just something that I read in article from a few months ago.
The 2009 remaster looks incredibly cheap. I never liked that look.
Soul
Soulless
Ugly
What could have been.
wait, who did that? the picture below looks fricking awesome.
IamRegg on Reddit
holy frick. they need to hire this guy IMMEDIATELY.
>Why are gamers like this
Why does the nose ridge start from the top of his forehead? Why do hacks think they are entitled to my money just because someone told them at art school that they are special?
>Why does the nose ridge start from the top of his forehead?
Because it's drawn by somebody with an ideological objection to beauty. It's supposed to look hideous. Beautiful art is what white male oppressors draw.
Ron Gilbert is a pussy ass b***h with the emotional and intellectual resilience of me when I was 10 years of age which I grew out of at 16, and this little mentally stunted hack b***h is pushing how many decades?
What is up with overgrown ass b***h ass Westerners being stunted in development?
You made a shitty game b***h, own it like an adult man, sift through the muh mean comments like the No Man's Sky guy does while actually doing tangible fricking fixing and improvement on the game instead of being a little psychologically-prepubescent snowflake.
>NOOOO YOU MUST BE POSTIVE AND YOU MUST NOT SPEAK YOUR MIND SO THAT IT DOESN'T OFFEND THE FEEBLE """CONTENT CREATOR"""
I wish that people who want to stop people from speaking their mind, suffer a slow and drawn out death whilst being pelted with rotten food.
3 has the best artstyle.
How about shut the frick up and change the art style.
It's just Big LGBTQIA+BLM (shortened to Big israelite) making a big deal out of video game graphics to hide the true agenda of pushing LGBTQIA+BLM (shortened to Big israelite).
why did he not show the penis nose and used the teaser art nobody complained about
how the frick a proffesional from the industry can’t handled criticism? i would prefer him just saying “frick off, i am doing it in that art style”
kwab
>Deathspank was shit
>The Cave was shit
>Thimbleweed Park was shit
Why are people still believing Ron to be a master designer?
>thousands threads
>thousands of posts
not a single gayget troon here posted the artist
https://twitter.com/rexbox
If the dev says the game is good, it's good. And you uncivilized idiots are wrong.
Is this game even relevant to us transfolk?
the new one; most likely
I'm grateful if we can have even one, just ONE playable trans character. Preferably a lead character.
Day one buy for me if they accomplish this one small task.
>remember some guy making a youtube video talking about how he was excited about the new game
>his twitter is now nothing but white knighting for the game mass replying to people saying it looks bad like a giant fricking homosexual
https://twitter.com/B_Mask_/with_replies
The artstyle just looks so terrible and minimalistic. They've put 0 effort, passion or thought into this.
but you liked little big planet didn't you? you liked sackboy as well.
but now you hate this? gayget
You make no sense, LBP and Sackboy look completely different.
made by the same artist cope
you are just cherry picking
Are you moronic? The same srtist can make both shitty and good art. It's not cherrypicking wheb they're completely different, they're not even the same fruit.
This is the artist's art style, he was paid to use that art style in Monkey Island by Ron Gilbert, its entirely Ron Gilbert's choice and decision.
Even if it was a horrible moronic mistake, its still his choice it bombs.
And its my decision to say it looks like shit. If it was a normal functioning adult he should have learnt long ago how to accept criticism.
But no, he is a freak pretending to be a woman with a wig.
So basically, frick him twice.
>Movie Studio makes horrid version of sonic
>Fan Backlash
>Movie Studio understands the complaints and the redesign is better, getting the studio praise for listening to the fans
>Video game studio makes horrid version of game
>Fan Backlash
>Developer immediately goes PTSD mode and blames everyone else while defending his decision with "It's what I wanted"
>Consumers get blamed for the shitty practices of this industry once again
This is why this industry is so shit. The only time this worked out was with XCOM where they released and entire new game that was more faithful to the original but then released their shitty 3rd person mass effect knock off anyway. I hope this game bombs, I rather have no new MI game than this garbage.
At least with Xcom they basically admitted it was just a shitty spinoff and ignored it after putting it out there
So his reply to criticism is to seclude himself away from the public? He is either based and knows what he's doing, or he is moronic and can't stop sniffing his own farts. Depends on the quality of the outcome
>new game
NOT THE HOTDOG ADS
>make a soulless piece of shit
>people are mad
ffxv had many flaws but graphics werent one of them not by a longshot
frick you Black person
New gnoll model is objectively more soul.
everquest next looks good, no? at least in the picture you posted
not even remotely, it's generic WoW fantasy armor, unrealistic and moronic, cheap art whereas the top is made by a classically trained artist
>whereas the top is made by a classically trained artist
looks like shitty 3d art to me, but may be wrong, haven't played, maybe just bad choice of pictures
>looks like shitty 3d art to me
Haha shit everyone would hate this image if mainstream still gave a shit about EQ. Oldschoolers would hate it because it warcraft-ifies their game. Fantasy art lovers hate it because there's a lot of subtleties like one of the big guys summoning some spooky ghost skeletons and the background landscape has been replaced with a blurred out mishmash. It's sad.
But then on the twitter side people would hate it because it made the chicks sexier, got rid of minorities and so on. Like man I'm not really into that shit but it kind of really cheapens it. Like yeah in the original you have your pure white maiden with a rather large bosom on display, sure, yet, her face evokes confidence and enjoyment while the new one it's generic game artist dead fish stare coupled with VISIBLE panty strings just makes me question why the artist went with that. Do you want chicks who are less sexualized with more armor (the more armor says that) or do you want a frickdoll bimbo woman with underwear showing? Then there's the dark elf and the other chicks which are sexed up too. It's dissonant and moronic. And looking again, a lot of the characters don't seem to emote at all, what the frick is the point of this image. How is this supposed to evoke any sort of emotion.
it's incomprehensibly bad in every single way. It's not even technically well executed. Sure the original is insanely good but frick, the new one? It even feels like the characters and the landscape are two different drawings in the new one. It has way shittier composition and the colours are garish and compete for attention in a way that makes the whole drawing look like clown vomit. Because you can draw in this nu-wow style without it looking this bad but whoever made this really fricking phoned it in.
There's just so much to shit on with the new image there's not enough words or time. At least potential players would understand the new devs don't get and never will get what everquest is all about.
game still looks like shit and I'm not buying it.
I'll buy you a copy.
ok
I love the whole narrative of some small number of chuds shitposting turns into GAMERS ARE ENTITLED LITTLE b***hES. Our fricking media cycle is a manipulated joke.
there doesn't need to be shitposting for that to happen, because gamers are crazy entitled.
lol no
everyone is fricking entitled and whoever is in charge of the information uses that to their advantage
to some degree, yes. but gamers are entitled and demand respect because they define their identity with a hobby that is a massive money and time sink, which they could do in moderation and for free.
this somehow leads to conspiracy theories that israelites are controlling the world to plant blue haired women to steal the fun from video games, so you don't want to buy them.
its hilarious.
>demand respect
No, we demand good fricking games. No one gives a shit how they are viewed or "respected" by the media. This Industry isn't Hollywood, no matter how much video game journalists want it to be.
so, gamers demand respect FOR their lifestyle, which requires companies to respect gamers by making games they want to buy. games that are undesirable to buy are seen as disrespectful.
Consumer wants good product, its not that deep
demands. note that this frothing at the mouth is caused because people are saying they don't want to buy the game. the anger is directed towards developers/corps, with the demand that the game be fixed so it becomes desirable to buy it.
you're reading too much into it. Monkey Island isn't exactly a super hot franchize these days and most people have zero emotional investment in this game. The vast majority of people who are complaining aren't doing it because they desperately want a new Monkey Island game, but rather because it's funny, especially because of Ron's overreaction.
im just looking at what people are saying in these threads. leftists ruined art, games are too inclusive, i won't buy the game unless it looks better, conspiracies are making me not want to buy games...
yes! attack only the trolls and ignore the former fans who've been put off purchasing Ron's latest magnum opus! That'll surely work!
i don't believe in trolling.
you'd best believe in troll threads
you're in one
why are you doing it then?
im not. what if you consider what I'm saying at face value?
you're either moronic or pretending to be moronic, not sure which one is worse.
how come?
Or they're fans who think the thing they've been waiting an enormous amount of time for is unimaginably fugly. Could be that.
>demand respect FOR their lifestyle
Wrong again. No one is demanding respect and this isn't a lifestyle. It's about the product. Anytime there's this amount of backlash against a game is when It turns out to be shit or it straight up looks like it will be shit. That might fly in the film industry where they're pumping out 6-7 high budget movies a month and you only pay about $13 for 2 hours of entertainment but this is a completely different set of rules and people don't what to put up with dumb developers that think they know better than you, try to sell you a half baked rushed game for full price and then blame you when it flops. Remember Romero and Daikatana? Carmack and Rage? Schaffer and The Cave? Just because you're an industry veteran doesn't mean everyone is gonna be ok with whatever stupid decision you make.
so, the product is shit, and you don't want to buy it. you only want to buy good products.
monkey island is a slap in the face because you don't want to buy it.
from now on, stop buying and waiting for any and all new games, and try to keep calling yourself a gamer.
i haven't ran into a single gamer that only plays free games, exclusively.
What are you even on about? Who wants to buy a shit product deliberately?
>monkey island is a slap in the face because you don't want to buy it.
No, It's a slap in the face because it looks like shit and that's why I don't want to buy it.
>from now on, stop buying and waiting for any and all new games, and try to keep calling yourself a gamer.
So I have to buy games that I think are shit to keep calling myself a gamer?
You're making no fricking sense. Learn to read.
read carefully.
what I'm saying is that gamers define themselves by purchasing product. if they don't want to purchase something they would like to, they feel unable to define themselves with the purchase because of malignant action by devs/corps. gamers complain to companies and devs to change things so that the want to purchase is restored. consumerism and consuming is inseparable from gaming.
hence, you can't be a gamer and only play freeware games.
>what I'm saying is that gamers define themselves by purchasing product
Why do you keep parroting this? Gamers play video games, that's it. Just like Moviegoers go to the theater, there's no definition of character here, they only people that call themselves Gamers unironically is children trying to impress other children. Every adult just says they play video games.
You're mixing up personality with hobbies. It's a common mistake this days but it has nothing to do with Monkey Island looking like shit and people complaining about it.
so office ladies playing sudoku and candy crush on commute are gamers? your definition might be a little poor.
>so office ladies playing sudoku and candy crush on commute are gamers? your definition might be a little poor.
Casual Gamers is the common term, just like kids who play fortnite or minecraft and nothing else and call themselves "true gamers". Any adult that plays video games is just that, an adult that plays video games, not a "gamer" and if they choose to call themselves that they're either a manchild or a moron.
You're literally saying all non-free games are shit
nope. im saying that it's impossible to be a gamer that only plays freeware gamesn with finished development. consuming of product is integral to being a gamer.
And the number of vocal /misc/tards who actually think that are minuscule. It's like when people b***h about police or pitbulls and shit. There are definite per capita issues with them, but they go off on these moronic rants generalizing them all as shit despite the actual numbers being lower than other certain groups where if you applied the same thing to them someone might be labeled in a certain way.
You're entitled to a good product as long as they're charging money for it. I know it's a crazy concept, but businesses actually exist to serve consumers and not the other way around, and video game companies are no exception.
>creator humiliates fans by presenting them with a hideous game
>journalists tries to bully them further by mocking them and calling them uncool
Why are they like this?
Because objectively that art style if FRICKING ASS.
>sonic revealed
>everyone hates how ugly it is
>ok we'll fix it
>becomes successful and fans are happy
>monkey island revealed
>its ugly and people hate it
>NO UR THE PROBLEM, IM DISABLING COMMENTS AND NOT SHOWING YOU ANYMORE
Guess which one is managed by normal people and which is managed by democrats.
If it came with Denuvo would it take out Handball 17 for the crown?
There is a Switch version. It will probably work great.
Western artists are fricking garbage. Any artist with potential gave up because this cheap garbage gets the dollars and did something else with their life.
The question you should ask is, why are developers like this? They fricking ruined a beloved franchise.
>uncool fans
lmao what a fricking idiot
they're calling them retro-fascists now. no, really.
why are you always a wienersucking homosexual OP?
lol guys this was just a ruse to get some press about the game it actually looks like this *posts real trailer*
Honestly wouldnt be to surprised, the assets are just basic geometric shapes so they're easy to throw together and everything is a rigged puppet straight from some shit like go-animate. Would probably take a week at most to make these assets and the trailer for it.
Elaine remains pristine in my mind's eye.
The art style is soulless and it's spitting on the legacy of the game solely as a cash grab. Leave guybrush dead.
Curse was the best MI anyway, Ron Gilbert wishes he could create something like that.
>Japanese make a shitty ugly censored turd
>i-it can't be helped!
lmao Ganker weenies are pathetic
Just another thin skinned creator. Unless it's showering them in admiration and praise, it's all an attack. Nothing new here.
When did things change from wanting your customers enjoy something to subverting their expectations?
The only expectations he is subverting is that people usually expect Monkey Island games to be good.
Also, it's a soft reboot that builds upon the terrible ending of Monkey Island 2. That sucks.
I'm glad people are so militant, I didn't even have to shit on him personally.
Has any game dev actually fricking died after getting death threats?
Does suicide counts?
No i mean an actual crazy fan goes and put a gun to their head for not making the main character’s arms the right color
Which of these cowards ever actually killed themselves because online bullies didn't like their shit game?
>Has any game dev actually fricking died after getting death threats?
Gunpei Yokoi presumably.
I think he means murdered by a deranged fan, not accidentally hit by a tour bus after rearending a truck and getting out to check the damage.
>Gunpei Yokoi
The former Nintendo guy and Wonderswan creator right? He deserved to frick them.
Alex Holowka got bullied into suiciding by Zoe Quinn and her friends.
>open floor for all comments
>show a shitty, butchered, grotesque raping of a beloved series, giving Guy a literal dicknose
>people explain in great detail how fricking horrid your game is
>get anally annihilated and run away crying like a little b***h
Next time just let everyone know what you really want is a praise comment bukkake, you disingenuous crybaby.
Do people actually think the game's visuals are that terrible?
I'll fully admit that it's by no means by favourite visual representation of Monkey Island. Nor my second. Or even third. But it unironically might be my fourth. It's by no means the worst looking Monkey Island. Nor that bad looking game in general.
Carla looks like a gorilla and the important looking pirates have been made more "diverse" as well.
It's no surprise that literal trannies are involved with production.
Not disagreeing with the fact that carla looks like a gorilla now, which is super racist in itself and that the new pirates look like shit, but as far as historic settings go carribean pirates are the most diverse setting possible, so blacks showing up isnt a big shocker. Even the original MI2 had captain dread.
In a way, you are right, but they simply replaced pre-existing characters with more diverse equivalents.
Their intention was never historical accuracy (not like it matters that much for this particular title).
>In a way, you are right, but they simply replaced pre-existing characters with more diverse equivalents.
Well, pirates weren't exactly a bunch known for their consistency. If there were pirate councils they were probably replaced every month or so.
That's not the issue. Them being "diverse" is also not the issue. The issue is they look like fricking shit and no effort was made to even make them look remotely decipherable. Look at this screenshot and try to describe what they're even wearing. Even their fricking wardrobe is a mess of clashing geometric shapes.
That's the real problem. No readability. Couldn't care less if there's a female pirate or a Black person sitting at that table if they were well realized.
Well yeah, but you see, my first post in the chain was replying to someone who claimed that the game didn't look bad, or at least not the worst looking of the Monkey Island series.
Don't think for a second that I would like the graphics if they simply added more fugly renditions of white people.
>the boss pirates look exactly as you'd expect based on the original low-res sprites
>Guybrush is too fricking tall and has a zoomer haircut
Frick the remake.
>be creator
>produce product to sell to consumers in exchange for their hard eared money
>consumers unhappy with product
>consumers complain about product
>OMG WHY ARE GAMERS SO TOXIC?
you're talking about this as if the complaints aren't really stupid
from what I've seen, no they are not. Most of it is valid criticism. Also the artstyle is shit and there is no denying that
The artsyle is horrendous
I got excited seeing another Monkey Island then the artstyle revealed itself to be absolutely terrible. The developer meltdown is just another mark against it.
you forget the dozens of other complaints that call the devs cucks and trannies, all because gamers don't want to buy a game.
why would you be so angry about not wanting to buy something?
>make a new entry in a beloved franchise
>assume people will like it no matter what due to nostalgia
>act surprised when everyone complains that it's low-effort trash
every time.
>Show product.
>A lot of people don't like it.
>A few morons behave like buttholes.
>Pretend most people who didn't like the game are buttholes.
>Now it's their fault they don't like a product, as if they were the ones that must please the author and not otherwise.
qft. classic deflection
>make shitty game
>people call it shit
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE YOU CANT CALL MY GAME SHIT I AM THE BEST SHUT UP SHUT UP IT'S THE KIDS WHO ARE WRONG
I thought the game looked bad and forgot about it. Doesn't bother me if people don't buy it.
ITT homosexual zoomers throw feces at one of the few remaining sacred cows in gaming then wonder why all the talented devs quit the industry
>talented people quit producing art when someone posts something mean on social media about them
you are not talented then, you are a grifter depending on good will and manipulation
>blaming gamers instead of the devs who are solely responsible for this shit heap
die
>sacred cow
don't put people on pedestals
> damage control tries to blame it on the zoomer babies
moron
Honestly let the industry die, good on the zoomers
Is he truly the original creator? This reminds me of Oddworld and Lorne Lanning.
Yes, and Dave Grossman is also working with him. People change, anon.
>People change, anon.
Correct but sometimes its also that people often reveal how shit they always were with time. Could be he was always a homosexual but we never knew because he had no reason to ever show who he really was. Perhaps it was dumb luck or a strategic decision idk but it happens. I think Lorne Lanning is one of these kind of developers. Guy always had garbage taste and was able to go through unnoticed really until now.
Here's the real issue:
Gilbert never managed to recreate the criticial success he had with monkey island. He quit lucasfilm games in a fit of butthurt, before he realized the game was actually ultra popular in europe and developed into a cult hit.
At that point he was already running his failing startup company into the ground and all the games he tried making since then were flops and not nearly as well recieved as monkey island.
Even his "hit" game thimbleweed park was a pale, cynical and joyless recreation of his former lucas arts glory and even with that one the thing he probably heard the most was "this is kinda cool, I wish you would make a monkey island in this style".
So with monkey island being his only big call to fame (despite being a lucky collaborative effort) he's now trying to show everyone what a genius he's been all those decades where he only fumbled through failure after failure, disregarding all the talent of the original staff that made it happen.
This is a ego project and one that's going to fail spectacularly, because until now the story has always been "Tim Schaefer is a grifter, now GILBERT that guy was the real genius all along".
Meanwhile Schafer, for as much of a piece of shit as he is, still managed to make a good original franchise with psychonauts.
While gilbert is currently busy kamikaze'ing himsef and his legacy.
>Tim Schaefer is a grifter
He is most horrible person at handling a budget. But he delivers.
>did a solid remaster of day of tentacle and full throttle
>created psychonauts and delivered a worthy sequel after 15 years.
>his studio smaller games are all cult classics or/and well received : brutal legends , costume quests, Stacking
hhhhhohohohoho
I didn't follow that one.
But in term of adventure/point n click. His team always delivered.
No they didn't Broken Age was riddle with mismanagment and constantly going over budget. Plus the general game was fricking ass and 3 hours long at the most.
i played Thimbleweed Park
boy what a fricking let down
puzzles were moronic and you only got stuck pixel hunting for interactions
controlling 5 characters was tedious as frick as was exchanging items between them, all the jokes landed flat on their asses, almost all of them were either nostalgia references or 4th wall breaks, most locations were completely useless
and lets not even talk about the ending
sure, you want to go meta with a "characters are aware they are in a videgame ending"? fine, but at least make sure to tie all lose ends in the story
a lot of things were there just for the sake of being quirky and weird, but with no set up or pay off
seriusly, what a let down
at least with Broken Age, i could tell right away the game was gonna be shit the moment i saw the artwork, but Thimbleweed Park tricked me into playing it with nostalgia and severely underdelivered
Gilvert should have had more backlash than Shaffer over that shit game, but i guess he was still smart enough to keep his head down and mouth shut while Shaffer is an attention hog
>troony devs mad that a few people shat on their soulless corporate flat heckin resistance art style
the thinnest of skin
Didn't ask and don't care bigot
just good-natured mild criticism for the new monkey island!
Guess what, numb-nuts: it's possible to ignore facetious posts; but that doesn't benefit the narrative you're trying to push, so you do you - and when Return flops like a fat kid from a diving board, you'll regret having been so stupid in the first place.
separate the "troll" complaints from the actual ones. do it objectively. prove the original anons intent, as well, so we know for sure.
Do it yourself, you petulant child.
i can't, because i can't prove which ones are which.
Ron Gilbert is not a troony.
None of the people throwing tantrums over the trailer were alive when any of the monkey island games launched
It's been a fricking trip watching the people older than me show off their lead poisoning while the people younger than me show off their phthalate and BPA poisoning
These incel gamergaters don't realize how much time and talent it takes to create such impactful art
>pic
Oh mein Gott wir werden hier alle verrecken
I love how everyone on both political spectrums (Just me typing that out is fricking outrageous, but it has to be said in current year) assblasted the creator since the art style is so fricking bad. It genuinely looks no different than those corporate schlock ads you see on Google's announcement ads or any other corporation. It absolutely makes me roll my eyes to see someone think this art style was okay to choose. The penis nose doesn't help either, holy shit. The dude wanted to subvert expectations and generate a reaction out of people, and holy hell he sure fricking did. I'm sure the game is fine but you cannot ignore the dreadful art style.
I think the art style is good enough.
Most people seem to think it's fine, but no Ganker zoomer is capable of putting internet comments in the proper context
I looked through the comments section of gamestar.de (biggest german speaking gaming news site) and people are overwhelmingly disgusted by the art style.
Germany being the biggest adventure game market after all.
>Ganker zoomers are unable to contextualize internet comments
>"ANON THE INTERNET COMMENTS HATE IT THAT'S EVERYBODY IN THE WORLD"
I love when responses make my point for me.
you are actually moronic
be a true gamer, and throw a shitfit if you don't want to buy a game until they change it so your will to purchase is restored!
if there was a couple of years of game releases where anons would have no complaints and extreme will to buy all the games released, anons would call that a golden age.
basically, if a gamer wants to buy games without getting angry, things are going well for them!
Too bad there's nothing worth wasting money on. Alas.
Black person should harden the frick up
so many people pretending they played the original games when they came out
Cope, Ron.
>someone on the internet said something mean
>so i'll not show them anything anymore
>that'll show them
Is he literally 8 years old? What a child.
lmao
I feel indifferent about the art. I mean, yeah the style can be described as "ehhhh?", but I still like it better than last remake (middle one).
But the animations are the worst I have ever seen.
It looks so bad.
>produce shit
>people call it shit
>"why are people so mean? ):"
Broken age is a terrible fricking video game I hated almost 99% of playing.
And it has a flat style that reminds me of insurance ads, sure, but at least there's object separation and a sense of depth in the backgrounds + the characters has some appeal.
When I saw it for the first time I thought "hey this looks just like broken age" but I take that back, broken age looks better while going for the same stylistic ideas.
Anyway I don't get why people would tell a dev their games chosen artstyle sucks they'll just get angry and double down on their decisions or have enough cost sunk into the current art changing it is impossible. Like yeah it sucks and there's nothing that can be done about it so why even complain to the dude lol.
That is because broken age is made by actual team of artists who know what they are doing. Very weird and pretentious style artists but they are still good artists nevertheless. They understand the fundamentals of colors , perspective , clarity, composition etc they just choose to frick it over and turn it into that weird kids book style.
No self respecting artist would think about simplifying human eyes as they are the most important feature and the thing that allow the most to read emotion or connect with any character.
If you look at pic related the perspective is literally broken, it isn't just a "subjective artstyle" . It is just breaking perspective rules like a toddler for no reason. (You look at the railing from a front/top position while the podium is only in front view...)
An valid artstyle is when a skilled artist know all the fundamental and prefer to break them in subtle ways while keeping the minimum. Pic related is not an artstyle it is just plain off not respecting the most basic of perspective rules
The art guy made knights and bikes too and while it has similar stylistic choices it still looks decent. It even has those button eyes. I guess the context makes it work better?
Even then the main characters have more expressive eyes.
You said it yourself the main characters have expressive eyes. That kind of simplified art can work for joke or small side character. And even soo it still look like a puppet but that is okay in some contexts. But if you are meant to connect with said character and see their different expressing in an adventures/dialogue/story etc . It would never work.
I think that the old guard and many others just forget that online discourse is not the same as a real life one. I started noticing it long time ago with age how certain "rough" online statements are tough to read even for me and i spend a lot of time online.
Just look at politicians. Sometimes its just weird to read certain twitter things they wright, because you would think that no official can even say things like this. Now though, everyone is fine with it because the whole discourse moved online, so everyone participates, be it an official or some random florida redneck. The level of the official speech drops to the level of the redneck by default, but the redneck doesnt notice, since everyone thinks that he is educated enough and not an emberesment himslef
Tbh i just think that its mainly the level of education that doesnt let intenet to become something more than an opinion garbage bin, which leads me to believe that internet is too much for us to handle. Again i think that world wide web has changed the way public percept and decide on many things and we dont know yet how this will affect us in the future.
>if you dont like my style you're a retrofascist
Why are these people taken seriously
They are?
>get valid criticism
>try to discredit your critics by lumping them in with the .001% of people who actually make threats
I instantly stop caring about any game this happens to. I'm just sick and tired of devs pulling this shit.
All MUH GAYMURGATE death threats were fake and gay anyway. They're all Jussie Smollets who simply didn't get caught in the act.
Gaymergate still cracks me up, because it was just Ganker shitting on kotaku as usual until they drew up a non existant boogieman (a coordinated hate group called gamer gate) and mouthbreathing idiots like sargon of cuckshed and ethan ralph attached themselves to the unmanned boogeyman, filling a role that kotaku had invented for them.
i dont care about it at all
it does look awful
therefore i wont buy it
i feel only disdain towards people who think it looks good
Sometimes I'm glad humanity only has a decade or so left to exist
Maybe in another billion years the next apex species won't suck so hard
I had a dream about corvidsapiens warring with varanidsapiens in the year 25 million AD. Shit was cash money.
>There are people STILL seething about goobergate
Just another one for the list
SJW GAMES/GAMES MADE BY SJW's THAT BOMBED
>BattleFieldV
>Mirrors Edge Catalyst
>Wolfenstein 2
>Wolfenstein young lesbians
>Anthem
>Mafia 3
>Watch Dogs 2
>Mass Effect Andromeda
>Lawbreakers
>Sunset@ "NOT THE FRICKING OVERDRIVE ONE"
>Revolution 60
>Depression quest
>Life is strange 2
>Battleborn
>Pillars of Eternity 2
>Dishonored 2
>Dishonored 2: Death of the Outsider
>Tacoma
>Virginia
>Where The Water Tastes Like Wine
>River City Girls
>Tyranny
>Drawn to Death
>Agents of Mayhem
>Bless Online
>Hyper Universe
>Telltale Games- the whole company
>Baldur's Gate: Siege of Dragonspear
>Dead Rising 4
>Bleeding Edge
>2064: Read Only Memories
>INVISIBLE
>Orphan
>DmC: DMC
>Thi4f
>MARVEL AVENGERS
>Sam & Max Remastered
>Medal of honor VR
>=GOOGLE STADIA=
>VTMB2 = BEFORE IT EVEN LAUNCHED
>Crash 4
>RETURNAL
>Destruction all stars
>Magic: Legends
>CRUCIBLE
>DoubleFine = the whole company
>deathflop
>joyless adventures of empathy woman
>RESIDENT EVIL 4 VR
>BATTLEFIELD 2042
>battletoads 2020
NON SJW GAMES THAT GOT POZZLED AND SUFFERED FROM IT
>Control
>GEARS 5
>Wildstar
>REmake 3
>FF7R PS4
>WoW
>no more heroes 3
>TABLETOP SIMULATOR
>tokyo mirage sessions
>guardians of the galaxy
SJW GAMES THAT SOLD WELL
>Borderlands 3
>Pathfinder
>CoD fanfic
NON sjw games that used Woketards as free marketing and sold the sexy as DLC
>Mortal Kombat 11
>DoA6
>GG STRIVE
>tabletop simulator
honestly a very peculiar case
why would you wanna play tabletop games with strangers who might grief or ruin your games anyway? tabletop games are mostly only fun with good friends.
Sam & Max Remastered should go in the "NON SJW GAMES THAT GOT POZZLED AND SUFFERED FROM IT" category.
I would cathegorize censoring harmless jokes and changing bosco voice actor to a black guy as Prime exemple of SJW behavior
Yeah, but the original game wasn't like that. Hence, the "non-SJW game" part. But if you considered it a completely brand-new game, that's fair.
Final Fantasy VII Remake was a piece of shit and an insult to the original.
why though its not like the artstyle is some leftist statement, it just sucks and there's no inherent social justice aspect to it.
It just sucks.
>Why do cult members have to tie everything back to their cult leader or its fabricated enemy?
Why do you ask stupid questions?
How it should be made.
Toonstruck was GOAT.
To be fair, Terrible Toybox is not an AAA company.
Do you art will ever reach heights like this again? Modern artists seem perfectly content with corporate memphis that may as well be scribbled by a child.
artlet shutin
pyw
>art can only be good, or at it's highest form, when it's pure realism
It's astounding how conservatives can't grasp artistic expression or surrealism. They think the measure of something is how long it took/how hard it was to make, as well as how well it can be compared to some preconceived "perfect" version of itself. They literally can't comprehend what makes art, art.
I'm willing to bet this is one of the root causes behind the modern obsession with realistic graphical fidelity in video games, and why art-styles like the one for this new game, regardless of subjective opinion, are shunned online and, ironically, attached to liberalism.
You're really going to roll out the 'muh realism' argument in defense of corporate memphis, which might have been spat out by an algorithm instead of a person and you'd never tell?
>Implying this style is even close to corporate Memphis
This is the new "calarts" declaration isn't it
Any style you don't like is Memphis corporate
Art is expression. Sculptures that perfectly capture the human form, surrealist painting, and even postmodern works are all expressing something. The value and depth of that expression is subjective, but it always exists. No one is defending modern corporate artsyles as art because there's nothing to defend. If it's being used by a company to sell you something, there is no expression in it, because it's not trying to express anything. It's advertisement, which as its own merits, but it has nothing to do with art. This is entirely detached from what it actually looks like, however.
A game dev creating and using assets that, in your opinion, are similar to corporate memphis, is still producing art, since they are using those assets in a way that expresses something.
>Art is expression
Too bad the characters have no expressions on their face.
According to you people I'm a conservative yet I love surrealism.
And insults because you got nothing left.
that's a good question
and i don't really think you even tried to answer it
are we really just gonna handwave everything to "it's art"
Picasso's African inspired shit looks like crap.
The reason why people like him are famous is because of greedy critics in the pocket of some tycoon. There's a reason why, for most of human history, art has been enjoyed by the general population, but now gallery art is the exclusive domain for only the most pretentious of fart sniffers and tax evaders.
Why don't you go tape a banana to a wall or something? homosexual.
Why is it that leftist morons come to the defense of literally every moronic decision made by the very corporations they supposedly hate these days?
what a pussy
people threaten my life online every day, who gives a shit. if you get upset, just turn off the computer and it's over lmao it's that easy
Isn't a dev no longer sharing development update pretty much the equivalent of "just turn off the computer"?
Not him. The thing is that he added gay shit like:
>People are just being mean and I'm having to delete personal attack comments.
>Play it or don't play it but don't ruin it for everyone else.
>The joy of sharing has been driven from me.
He should have ommited all of those statements.
oh yeah? well the joy of anticipating something good from a remake of a past piece of work has been driven from me.
how bout THAT
yeah I guess but it's also playing along, making a big announcement about how the trolls scared you. Just do your thing and post what you want, when you want. If I'm trolling someone and they announce "That's it! I can't take it anymore! I'm going private until I'm ready to share something" then I'm gonna take that as a victory and look forward to my next chance to frick with this person
>Ganker (and the internet) 101
>responding to trolls only helps them troll you harder. The only way to win is to ignore them
NOW YOU KNOW
Gamers tend to be immature.
Video games developers even more so, apparently.
>Personal attacks
Im pretty sure it's a fricking false flag to escape criticism
Same as it ever was.
Same as it ever was.
You will be obsessed with The Product but you will not criticize The Product.
like i said, nothing makes a gamer happier than buying products without any problems.
Never played Monkey Island, but the new art direction looks like something out of a soulless corporate poster or pamphlet.
It's very easy to imagine the face on the right having having some big speech bubble going on about diversity and inclusivity at the workplace, or covid safety practices.
>This art style sucks because LIBERALS
This generation is somehow even more moronic than the one that sucked on lead paint
Lead paint is small potatoes compared to all the chemicals consumed by people today.
they started measuring average testosterone in levels in the US around 1930-1940 and it's been steadily declining ever since then. The average young man today has about the same test as the average elderly man back then.
I blame a variety of factors, but as for chemicals, xenoestrogens are in almost everything that the modern person consumes, almost all food and water. Phytoestrogens, like onions and hops, are a more complex affair. For example, some weaker phytoestrogens actually REDUCE the effects of estrogen in the body, because they bind to estrogen receptors but do less than natural estrogen would, and far less than some potent xenoestrogens would. But other phytoestrogens are stronger, such as onions, and as such increase the effects of estrogen on the body. A common misconception is that phytoestrogen or xenoestrogen increases estrogen and/or decreases testosterone. Neither is true, neither affects the balance of these natural hormones in your system.
>Broscience
If you're going to make moronic claims about hormones the least you could do is take biochem first so you know how moronic you sound when you blame plant estrogens for low T.
Hint: the problem is phthalate exposure in utero from plastics, not fricking basedbeans
>anon is illiterate
if you read my post, you'd see that I said most phytoestrogens are not a big deal.
>plastics
>phthalate
yeah...those are xenoestrogens, like I mentioned. Perhaps instead of biochem you should've taken an English class.
>Phthalates are xenoestrogens
lmao
No, no they are not.
Okay. If not xenoestrogens, then what would you classify them as?
The artstyle sucks because it's more fitting for propaganda pieces or commercials.
It's something for an insurance pamphlet or a bank's web page.
>Maybe if I repeat what others say they'll like me!
This is an anonymous board you pathetic little thing.
>Doesn't even mention liberals
>Automatically assumes and connects unneeded diversity and dystopian covid rules with liberals
KEK
>Bro I didn't say the word liberals!
It doesn't take a genius to understand where you stand politically
>It doesn't take a genius to understand where you stand politically
it's still hilarious to see normies realize you are talking about israelites when you talk about usury, degeneracy, ideological subversion and historical revisionism and don't even try to call them by name
Even so you still acknowledged most of the modern day problems and things people hate lead back to commie globalists which is good enough for me
>It doesn't take a genius to understand where you stand politically
Do you? Do you really? Just going to stereotype me based on one thing I said?
All I acknowledged was that you and everyone that says the shit you do believe the same cult line. You are interchangeable.
If you think someone recognizing your prebuilt position is some kind of victory in the zeitgeist you're dumber than I thought.
That's a lot of words that ultimately mean nothing other then showing how agitated you are.
>I don't know what those big words mean
I know.
at the end, you still do know what we know and you can identify the name of the enemy just by our description of their actions
you may want to sound like you are in denial of this, but all i read is butthurt at the realization that normalgays are also seeing this pattern you so behemothly reject
Nobody is gonna buy it. It's an adventure game, which is already a niche in modern times, and the art style is repugnant. All these articles and controversy won't equal sales. I honestly predict this will be his last game, he's lost it.
>new art is shit
>people complain about it
>REEEEEE WHY AM I BEING ATTACKED
>Video Games Matter, it's an important artform, the politics of video games are important
>lol you neckbeards who cares it's literally an electronic toy for kids stop caring so much
Which one?
first one. becoming a gamer has fried many peoples brains
The game looks like utter dogshit
>devs then: talked shit back
>devs now: I'm being attacked! shut it down!
Why do these kind of articles and response from creators happens with games and movies/shows? no one will ever jump to someone's defense or cry on the internet if a fridge or a bag of chips get criticized.