More developers voicing woes with Series S

is there a reason why the dams are beginning to break on how developers feel about Microsofts strategy of having two tiers of console from the start of the generation as opposed to a mid-gen refresh? it seems every week theres more and more developers who are not under the thumb of Gamepass coming out against the Series S, voicing their concerns that it is holding back the Series X and PS5. are we reaching the point where Microsoft has to cut their losses and drop support for this lesser hardware?

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >verified user
    vs
    >literal who 1 outta 2

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >literal who
      literal who, who has a game on Gamepass and is biting the hand that feeds to let people know the Series S has hamstrung an entire generation

      unless you meant Jeff?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >verified user
      how about devs from Id?
      https://wccftech.com/id-software-devs-concerns-xbox-series-s-specs/
      this isn’t a new concern anon, we’re just hearing about it more and more as developers are struggling now the hardware is in the hands of the consumer. the argument for the Series S to be a streaming only platform is growing daily, the Series X should be the baseline

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        mucho texto

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >mucho texto
          ok I break it down
          >Microsoft greedy
          >Series S shitty
          ok?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >verified user
      what is that supposed to mean? he sucks off twitter's cock?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >he sucks off twitter's cock?
        Bingo

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I have more trust in the literal who than some checkmarked gay.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      gay

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Some gay corporate logo validates whose opinion should matter.
      Fuck off moron.
      Gertsmann has always been the worst thing wherever he worked. I remember decades ago when he was shitting up gamespot and everyone hates every me he wrote an article.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      fag

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      "Twitter verified" just means "game journalist"

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >fat middle age retard who only plays videogames and never made one or anything for that matter and begs for money
      vs
      >actual game developer
      morons tongue my anus

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >literal who
      vs
      >literal who
      ftfy

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    and yet any game actually worth your time will be able to run even on the switch

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >monster hunter world
      >ghost of tsushima
      >virtually every mmo ever released on consoles
      >every RE released in the last 5 years (cloud releases don't count, not up for debate)

      Plus if you count unreleased shit you've got Dragon's Dogma 2, the next Monster Hunter, Dead Space remake... shitch has nothing. Best game I've played on it was Arceus.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Take your meds Eric

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Not an argument + Who the fuck is Eric schizo?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Current MonHun bastardization
        >snoy AssCreed
        >MMOs
        >Rooty tooty shooty Resident Ebil
        Hard pass, paisano.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          MonHun bastardization
          Franchise moved on without you. Cope harder.
          >>snoy AssCreed
          Yes? It's considered the best assassins creed-like since Black Flag and mogs the fuck out of Botw in every aspect sans exploration.
          >>MMOs
          tooty shooty Resident Ebil
          Grapes.

          There isn't a single shitch game worth playing over them.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Didn't the last Monster Hunter come out on the Switch?
            Doesn't seem like the franchise moved on from Nintendo.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Didn't the last Monster Hunter come out on the Switch?
              Yes and? The next one is 9th gen exclusive in the leaks. If they couldn't scale World down for the Switch what makes you think a PS5/Series X monster hunter can exist outside a ~~*cloud*~~ port?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                If the franchise moved on why are they still releasing games there?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I was talking about the "bastardization" part retard. Nobody cares that you like the 6th gen games more. The clunk is gone for good. Busywork is gone for good. Seethe for eternity about it.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                So you do agree that they support Nintendo.
                Dunno why you're calling me a retard when you admit yourself you agree with me.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                You were moving the goalpost to begin with. I literally don't care about your non-argument because it had nothing to do with what I was talking about.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Never moved them.
                Capcom still make Monster Hunter games for the Switch.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                And then the next game will be on Switch. Doesn't matter though, the essence of Monster Hunter is dead, people pretend to still like it because of console wars or because they never played the series before World.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >And then the next game will be on Switch.
                Nope.
                > the essence of Monster Hunter is dead
                Oh no the clunky shit is dead in favor of fun gameplay how horrible.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah. It will.

                That wasn't mainline

                World isn't mainline by that logic either.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Mh6 which is exclusive to nextgen is called "Monster Hunter 6" in the leaks. It won't come out on Switch because it's literally not a listed console in the leaks. Google it and cope you subhuman.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Nah, it's getting it.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Don't make me screencap this thread and laugh at you next E3. How will they make a local port for a 9th gen exclusive game on iPhone 6 hardware? Use your brain retard.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Do it gay, see you cry like a bitch while desperately clutching to an anonymous post I'll have forgotten about.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Lmao mad

                >Monster Hunter Rise
                >also monster hunter rise (fight monsters in a Japanese setting)
                >implying any modern mmo is good
                >RE7, RE2R, RE3R, and RE8 are not good
                🙂 got ‘em

                RIse? You mean the game widely considered a letdown by Switch users themselves?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                But fans were happy with the game?
                Are you some kinda fool who takes consolewar posts here seriously.
                lmao no wonder you are too scared to screencap a post.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >RIse? You mean the game widely considered a letdown by Switch users themselves?
                you got any source on that, snoyboy?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I bet you were one of the ones that said MonHun would never be on Nintendo again after the success of World.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                You're a fucking retard if you don't already understand they're going to cycle MH games between Playstation/Xbox and Nintendo releases.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              That wasn't mainline

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >It's considered the best assassins creed-like since Black Flag
            Holy fuck somebody actually typed this out without irony

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Holy fuck somebody actually typed this out without irony
              yes, because it's correct? everyone but journalists voted it as the 2020 GOTY

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Monster Hunter Rise
        >also monster hunter rise (fight monsters in a Japanese setting)
        >implying any modern mmo is good
        >RE7, RE2R, RE3R, and RE8 are not good
        🙂 got ‘em

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Not a single game worth playing.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >rise
        >cinemashit
        >interesting point, but I don’t see those on other consoles
        >modern day cinematic RE

        Not the best examples anon.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >these releases don't count because I said so.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Current MonHun bastardization
      >snoy AssCreed
      >MMOs
      >Rooty tooty shooty Resident Ebil
      Hard pass, paisano.

      >Monster Hunter Rise
      >also monster hunter rise (fight monsters in a Japanese setting)
      >implying any modern mmo is good
      >RE7, RE2R, RE3R, and RE8 are not good
      🙂 got ‘em

      Switch has a 1ghz mobile Nvidia CPU from 2015.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Switch is the most successful console of all time.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        PS2's CPU is from 1999 and it's still the greatest console with the largest amount of great games in human history.

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why would anyone buy an Xbox? I can't think of a single exclusive worth playing

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      gamepass+economic emulation beast, want exclusives? get a switch or build a pc, though ill be honest i can't think of a single modern exclusive that looks interesting or worth locking yourself into a single console, i genuinely believe that exclusive games as a concept is dead thanks to microsoft and sony is just following on their steps.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      To play with friends? I have XsX, sister likes Playstation so I bought her a ps5 and a series s for non crossplay games

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Exclusives are dead
      Hopefully Nintendo realizes this before their company goes bankrupt

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      there are no xbox exclusives, you can literally play all of them on a pc. theres no reason to own an xbox. only retards will disagree with this

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I played 300$ for a controller and a way to play games better than most pc, seethe

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >gaming with a controller
          i see you enjoy being a gimped retard so ill leave you alone

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            With max sensitivity and avoiding shitass fps I have had no issues m8

            cope, poorfag, i paid barely twice that, built my own rig myself and will just upgrade my rig as needed meanwhile youll have to shill out $300-400 bucks every time you want to upgrade or your console bricks. consoles cant even compare to actual computers, its like comparing a retard to a regular person.

            LMAO cope, I could buy triple your rig right now. But I have better things to do with my money rn

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              cant beat the pin point accuracy of a mouse and keyboard fag, continue to cope and seethe

              I don’t want a computer though. I use an iMac (more expensive than your gaymer rig by 3x) for work and I’m not interested on sitting on the same desk after I’m done working. Hard to understand I know, but that’s just how it is.

              >sperging retard doesnt have a coom cacoon lay and play cave set up
              macs are for fags, just like consoles, enjoy your terrible posture and deformed back while i have my ergonomic top of the line EZ comfort office chair

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >i-i-i-i could b-buy triple your rig right now i just dont want to
              yeah ok kid, if you could, youd be gaming on a pc, not seething like a little poorfag one console retard

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          cope, poorfag, i paid barely twice that, built my own rig myself and will just upgrade my rig as needed meanwhile youll have to shill out $300-400 bucks every time you want to upgrade or your console bricks. consoles cant even compare to actual computers, its like comparing a retard to a regular person.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I don’t want a computer though. I use an iMac (more expensive than your gaymer rig by 3x) for work and I’m not interested on sitting on the same desk after I’m done working. Hard to understand I know, but that’s just how it is.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Flight simulator
      Starfield

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    i feel like most people don't know how weak it is
    it's weaker than an xbox one x, if you even remember that console existed

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Cyberpunk 2077
      One X: 1440p 30fps (ghost city)
      Series S: 1440p 60fps (normal population on par with SeX and PS5)

      What did he mean by that?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Series S: 1440p
        huh? its 900p targeted with dynamic resolution betwen 800-1080, lower NPC count and in general lower details especially objects at a distance

        why fucking lie? is the Series S being less powerful really that difficult to deal with?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous
          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >whatdidhemeanbythat.webp
            YO LIL DONNY
            https://www.eurogamer.net/digitalfoundry-2022-cyberpunk-2077-patch-16-the-xbox-series-s-60fps-upgrade-tested
            >”The new performance mode - inevitably - degrades some settings. In terms of pixel metrics, we're looking at a range of 1080p at peak, going down to 800p lowest, most obvious in the areas where the game can't stick to its 60fps target”
            >”The biggest blemish to the presentation comes from fine sub-pixel elements, like wire fences, for example. The TAA upscaling doesn't have enough data to work with, resulting in a shimmering mesh”
            >”The second big change for the Series S performance mode is its lowered NPC counts, with the density of crowds significantly dialled back”
            why are Xbots so adamant that the Series S isn’t a compromise, is it mental illness?

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              If R* could get RDR2 running on the Xbone, and that was outdated before it even launched, then devs should have no problem optimizing for the Series S. Hell, even if you wanna call the Series S version of Cyberpunk ass at least it didn't compromise the Ps5/SeX version even though devs are saying
              >Boo hoo, we can't do X on the PS5/SeX because of the SeS
              When there are many fucking games that have no problems leaving out features on the SeS.
              Stop defending lazy fucking devs

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >If R* could get
                literally fell out of my flat window laughing, imagine thinking any developer could match the sheer amount of manpower and money that R* can throw at a problem
                >Stop defending lazy fucking devs
                I’m not defending anyone, I’m laughing at people defending Microsoft and the Series S…they somehow believe the budget price is just because it lacks a disc drive and not because its kneecapped compared to the SeriesX/PS5. fuck if I owned a Series X I’d be fuming, its more powerful than a PS5 but has to compete with its retarded little brother S swinging on its nutsack. Microsoft obviously courted the budget market with the Series S and its now coming back to bite them in the ass

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >imagine thinking any developer could match the sheer amount of manpower and money that R*
                That's the fucking point, no one is making a game ANYWHERE near the scale of R* games, so devs making significant smaller games while complaining about "hardware" is fucking retarded. Some "developer" claimed the SeS was holding back the new batman game despite it looking worse than the one from 7 years ago and that also ran on the Xbone.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >the SeS was holding back the new batman game

                Not only was that guy not a programmer, but the performance issues with GK are CPU-related, not GPU, which is why they don’t have a 60fps mode on SeX/PS5, and why the minimum PC specs call for a fairly modest GPU but a pretty beefy processor

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Not only was that guy not a programmer
                >WAAAHHHH MAN SAY SOMETHING I DONT LIKE HE WRONG
                jesus you Xbots are beyond saving aren’t you? he is literally one of many since the Series S was announced to voice concerns and each time the conversation comes up its conveniently ‘dropped’. I wonder why, you do own Gamepass don’t you anon?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                But he was actually wrong you retard

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Defending a gay that said the SeS was holding gaming back when said game could barely run at 30fps on PS5/SeX and is even getting drops on the fucking 4090
                How much is WB paying you?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Gotham Knight's should be the perfect example that it doesn't matter if developers have the most powerful console with a 4090 or a discrete console like the series S, they are not going to optimize shit and of course they need to blame something or someone

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >webp
              >conveniently doesn't compare it to the One X which was his argument (for example to its nonexistent 60fps mode)
              >conveniently leaves out the part where the SeX and PS5 versions weren't affected by the Series S
              If anything the Series S saves gaming as it forces the devs to optimize at least a bit. 2080 Ti is the bare minimum for Silent Hill 2 1080p/30fps on PC. Imagine what would have happened of the baseline was the PS5.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >weaker than a One X

      No it isn’t. It has a significantly more powerful CPU. The GPU is weaker than the One X on paper, but in reality it’s a bit stronger since it uses RDNA2 instead of the old XB1 architecture.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Interesting, it's similar to how PS5 is superior to xbox one series X.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      As long as it has an SSD. I don't care if my graphics are shit I just don't wanna wait in loading screens.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Theres a 5% difference of the series x and s cpu
      This is litteral gays complaining they don't know how to use the same 512x textures they've been using since the ps3

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Microsft have lots of marketing about S, literally i dont know that Series X exist because all Xbox marketing only show S. And Gamepass is designed for S

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >It may sound broken, but the reason you are hearing it a lot right now is because MANY developers are lazy, incompetent hacks

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I honestly figured from the initial announcement that this was going to turn into an issue as the generation marched on. PCs are a different kind of thing. You don't throw out a lower spec model of a console, and tell developers that they have to include it, and expect everything to end well.

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Jeff is such a huge Microsoft shill.
    I don't know why I only recently realized this.

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Buckbreak an entire industry to bend their games to your shit hardware

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    we've been playing the same shit for decades at this point
    pushing graphics further is artificial progression
    give us something meaningful before i fucking give up on this shit hobby

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >give us something meaningful before i fucking give up on this shit hobby
      fucking this
      do something interesting, not just shiny graphics for fucks sake

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    A Series S is literally better than the most commonly used GPU which is the 1050 Ti. These developers are complaining because they actually have to optimize instead of forcing users to buy $1000 RTX cards.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I think in this case it's that they have to put in the effort to make the X/PS5 games look/perform better than the S version instead of just shitting out the usual 30fps-and-less stuff they have been used to.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Activision was able to make pitfall in a literally pong console
        >Modern Devs complaining about some console not being strong enough
        And also what said, modern game development is a joke

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >1050 Ti
      I didn't know that the 1050 TI could run games with raytracing and in a stable way

      Also that it could run next-gen only games, maintaining a stable 30 fps at 1080p/900p

      The Series S is not even close to the 1050 TI

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        All the more reason why developers really shouldn't complain about being "hampered" by the Series S. Developers are not going to implement any new or innovative features, if they would have did that it would have happened in the last 10 years. They will merely use it as an excuse to not care about spaghetti code so they can hire more women.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >A Series S is literally better than the most commonly used GPU which is the 1050 Ti
        Retard-kun your reading comprehension is off the charts!

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    From what devs have previously said, it's actually the RAM holding it back. Only having 10GB is causing issues.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Just use smaller textures, that’s the only thing that could possibly be using up an extra 6 gigs of RAM

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Everyone would be much happier/fulfilled if they didn't live on twitter.
    I cannot think of a greater waste of time and effort.

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    This gen is an absolute joke. It's been 2 years already but 90% of new and announced games are still cross gen but at the same time devs are crying that the current gen isn't strong enough. And to top it all off, they are already planning on mid gen refreshers while really difficult to even get a PS5 or a graphics card at a decent price. What an absolute clusterfuck.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >And to top it all off, they are already planning on mid gen refreshers
      the issue with the Series S though is Microsoft literally kicked the next-gen off with the Series X being the mid-gen refresh compared to the Series S. complaints are levied at the PS4 still being developed for which is absolutely shitty, but Microsoft actively created a lower baseline from day one with these new consoles

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >complaints are levied at the PS4 still being developed for which is absolutely shitty
        How is that shitty? People actually own a PS4.
        Shitty would be dropping support for the consoles that people own and focusing entirely on the ones that are collecting dust in scalpers' garages.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's actually been 5 years.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I can’t believe even retard gays like you STILL don’t understand that Xbox is moving away from generations. All their games are gonna be cross Gen much the same way phone apps are cross gen up to X version of OS that is supported by Y devices. Do you understand how it’s gonna work from now own or do you need a fucking drawing or something?

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Those poor developers. How are they supposed to cope with only having a mere 10GB of fucking RAM for their poorly optimized buggy garbage? Nobody can be expected to make a game under such harsh conditions.

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    All according to plan.
    Its called series for a reason. Xbox is going the iPhone route. A better series s/x every few years

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      What the fuck are they going to name them?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Maybe series x 2 series s2.
        You can bet your ass MS wants consoles to make consoles like iPhones, to push consumers to their cloud.

        The "you will own nothing" is not a meme. This year in the Netherlands people paid more for services than goods. Gpu prices are also insane and with the new games like Sillent hill needing a 2080 for 1080p 30 and 4000 series being 1k+, I think they kind of want to make owning hardware make as much sense as buying a show on bluray.

        I'm not big on the whole conspiracy shtick, but this is a bit on the nose

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Two years of devs shitting on the Transbox and Xbox cucks are still in denial about it
    >Bu bu bu bu but it's super successful!!!!!!!
    Fuck off

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >i'm lazy and don't want to optimize for another platform

  18. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Again, series s has shitton ram and cpu stronger than ps5 one
    And if you can't optimize for weaker gpu, then why the fuck are you even in industry.
    I really can understand when devs can't do what they want because shit cpu's. But they lower resolutions and turn off shadows for console releases all the time. Fucking capcom said that village was bottlenecked by ps5 cpu, and they are fucking japs who love sony

  19. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I dont know why people are suprised by this lol. People seem to forget how memory that Series S lacks is used for AI and more its not just CPU and GPU thats slower. This affects games base design its not just "lol dude just make it lower res for series s".

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why do you expect Gankertards to understand any of that.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Name a game with good AI.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >I dont know why people are suprised by this lol
      its more the endless shilling of Gamepass and wanting it to succeed at any cost, even if the popularity of the Series S has compromised next-gen. its Snoy Derangement Syndrome on steroids, they worship Phil Spencer and he can do no wrong

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      AI has never been more dumb and broken than it currently is in AAA vidya.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Name 1 (one) modern (made in the last 3 years) game with good AI, now, I dare you.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        why, my peenus weanus of course 🙂

        hahah! 😀

        it's my weeeeeenus peanus! 🙂 hahah

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Tóuche.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Most "AI" is a badly implemented state pattern with a dash of cheats that will prevent more than one enemy attacking at once
      >muh ram
      Cops literally popping out of thin air isn't state of the art ai anon

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >People seem to forget how memory that Series S lacks is used for AI
      ????????????????????????????????????
      Are you saying that Series X and PS5 use FSR 2.0 a ton or what?
      Because behavior trees are not that memory-expensive.

  20. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Again, series s has shitton ram and cpu stronger than ps5 one
    >And if you can't optimize for weaker gpu, then why the fuck are you even in industry.
    >I really can understand when devs can't do what they want because shit cpu's. But they lower resolutions and turn off shadows for console releases all the time. Fucking capcom said that village was bottlenecked by ps5 cpu, and they are fucking japs who love sony

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Its litterally a 5% difference between the series x cpu and series s cpu

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/console/india
      india is 71% playstation you fucking moron

  21. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why don't they just turn the graphics settings down?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Why don't they just turn the graphics settings down?
      because then people who bought the Series S would chimp the fuck out, I think most of the people who bought it thought it was just the same as a PS5 digital edition with no disc drive

  22. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    who is this jeff guy? everytime I see him pop up he has a pretty big audience and following but I always see him just be ignorant or make blank comments, is he a dev for some big company or something? he's been showing up on my recommend a lot lately for some reason

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      zoom zoom

  23. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Series S are everywhere
    >Series S are the easiest to buy and play
    > Nobody is able to find Series X and PS5
    > Lets cut support for the console.

    Are those Game Developers this fucking retarded? Even Sony still supports PS4 because there is not enough of people who can play on the PS5.

    What the point pushing graphics if NOBODY fucking buy the consoles. You might as well get a PC instead

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      The fact that we're still doing cross-generation, almost two years into this generation, is real sad and speaks volumes about the current state of the industry.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      What's even the point of consoles now? every "innovation" between ps3 to 5 has been aping shit that's way more suited to PC like sharing and streaming, exclusives have dwindled and its clear the vast majority of them don't have any reason to be mono-plat at all other than as a marketing push.

      I feel like i've been taking fucking crazy pills for a decade with people talking about revolutions in graphics

  24. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >oh no muh grafix
    How about you make a good game?

  25. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The issue is that devs might actually be expected to work on Switch versions of the games, which goes against the interests oft the investors who want a Sony/Microsoft duopoly.

  26. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >oh my god, changing resolution from 4K to 1080p is too much work!
    I wonder how the devs are going to seethe when they're going to announce PS5 Pro and Xbox Series XX

  27. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >literal who with a retarded take responds to someone on twitter
    >OP thinks this is relevant to the world at large and deserves its own thread
    Now I already know your gay life has to be fucking awful but if it’s gotten to this point you really should have a nice day.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >literal who on a CCP sponsored message board thinks his lone solitary reply deserves a response
      heres a (you) sweetheart, keep shilling that Gamepass

  28. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    But it IS dumb. It's strange to have that kind of console. The Series S IS a dumb idea and waste of silicon.
    They should either
    >Revised and repackaged the One X with SATA SSD.
    Except for the CPU and NVMe SSD, the One X is faster on all other metrics, which is crazy when you think about it. If they wanted their Game Pass streaming box, this should have been it. It could be made for cheap, remove disc drive, add sata ssd, new small case, and voila you have your gamepass streaming box made out of scraps in a cave.
    >Just make a discless Series X.
    I mean, kinda self explanatory. The Series S should just have been the X without the disc drive. Just make a tiny bit more fat to accommodate larger psu and heatsink.
    >Handheld
    The Steam Deck is for all intents and purposes a handheld Xbox Series/PS5 console. It is the exact same hardware and tech, just cut down to fit the thermals of a handheld device. In this setup, you could have your game pass streaming device, and also a full console in one on the go, taking the fight directly to Nintendo. With a handheld device the graphical differences compared to the full consoles makes more sense and are way more forgivable.

    The Series S is just dumb on all fronts.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Except for the CPU and NVMe SSD, the One X is faster on all other metrics
      Sorry but this is dumb. The CPU is a main component, the rest is comparing paper specs when the Series S has a modern architecture compatible with modern US5 standards. One X couldn't run the Matrix demo in any way. The One X only looks strong because of the long crossgen period but CP2077 already shows a modern software kills it. It is not about resolution but the modern processes it can't handle at all.

  29. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I doubt Microsoft consoles has this much clout to hold any fucking thing back.

  30. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >suddenly the steam hardware survey means shit now
    lmfao

  31. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    What do you want me to do, fella? Continue to not buy a Xbox and continue not to buy gamepass? Or should I just shitpost on Ganker?

  32. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Devs are lazy AND want to screw over people that bought the only available console for the last while. Fuck em. The s is based, minus the whole lack of disc drive thing.

  33. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Devs have been sitting in meetings trying to get Microsoft to let them publish games at subpar framerates
    >Microsoft tells them no
    >They get mad and go to twitter
    Honestly, sounds pretty fuckin' rad to me.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Devs have been sitting in meetings trying to get Microsoft to let them publish games at subpar framerates
      >Microsoft tells them no
      >they do anyway
      haha Series Sisters get what they fucking deserve

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      The entire claim sounds retarded. No console manufacturer would allow any dev to skip one of their current SKUs.

  34. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >is there a reason why the dams are beginning to break on how developers feel about Microsofts strategy of having two tiers of console from the start of the generation as opposed to a mid-gen refresh?
    Yes and its the fact they're shit at everything they do and since Boomers and Xers are leaving the Game Dev industry for retirement, the majority millennial dev force that can't code for shit are now realizing that they have to optimize everything themselves now.

  35. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Anyone that's played Forza Horizon 5 of the Series S can tell you the hardware isn't the problem. It's shitty developers that can't optimize. And this isn't a Series S issue. They've been half-assing this shit for 20 years, and forcing people to constantly upgrade hardware capable of deciphering their spaghetti code in a timely manner.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Engineers used to make up 90% of development teams. Now it's 50% women and trannies, and 40% incompetent men - all in the art department. With only 10% men doing actual work on the engine, code, and optimization.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        This is the biggest problem. Engineers have left the industry and now publishers can just rely on third-party engines like UE4.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        What? Like on what games? Are you talking about programmer art games like on Atari or something? Anything 8 bit onwards, programmers were a minority. Just check the credits and its usually one or 2 people vs 20 other jobs.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I mean, just look at the latest shitshow that is gotham knights. It runs like shit on any console/pc, yet somehow its the s fault. Fucking idiots who cant code to save their life

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Forza Horizon 5 looks like a 360 game.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        FH5 looks just as good on the Series S as it does on my 3080ti, I have no idea wtf you're talking about.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        gay moron

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Your mom looks like a 360 game and I fucked her last night

  36. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    of course devs don't want to have to meet launch expectations for the SeS, the question is whether or not microsoft is willing to backtrack on marketing the s as a budget option that will play games all gen.
    is there any official figures on how many of the Series sales were of the Series S vs the X?

  37. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    this is what happens when you cater to the lowest denominator

    your games suffer so a pajeet or a blanka can play gameass

  38. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Name one (1) game that would be fundamentally impossible on a Series S. There's nothing having ever higher specs enables developers to do other than being able to skip more and more optimization work and letting hardware just bruteforce through their shitty code, which is why they're mad.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Half-Life 3
      nyuk nyuk nyuk nyuk nyuk
      Portal 3
      ohooohohohohohohoho
      Left 4 Dead 3
      Ackackackackackack

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      The industry still hasn't come up with a game that wouldn't work on the 360.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Archon due to multithreading required?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Name one (1) game that would be fundamentally impossible on a Series S. There's nothing having ever higher specs enables developers to do other than being able to skip more and more optimization work and letting hardware just bruteforce through their shitty code, which is why they're mad.

        How can you retards possibly be this delusional? 7th gen games made when the 360 was new could barely hit 30FPS at 720p or lower, and that's with downgrading visuals and making every game a series of closed, linear corridors. Tons of games were running at 640p or even 600p. Only an actual retard thinks games made post-7th gen could have been made in 7th gen and that zero progress has been made in any field.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE GRAPHICS
          Oh no. Meanwhile almost everyone is still on 1080p despite that being the mainstream PC resolution back in the 360 days, because most people aren't into games to masturbate to the pixel counts and/or whatever fancy new tech Nvidia is selling this week. And there were still open world games made back then, so the developers were most certainly not limited by the tech to making every game linear. Point still stands, there's no kind of game made today that you can honestly say would be literally impossible to reproduce on hardware from a decade ago, muh graphics notwithstanding.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >extended poorfag sour grapes cope
            Post discarded.

  39. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    MS has so much money but all they do is shoot themselves on the foot. Without monopolies and dirty tactics they are nothing. But it's thanks to them we are stuck with garbage like Win 8-9-10 when it comes to gaming.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >stuck with garbage like Win 8-9-10
      Come with us, anon. Experience the wonders of Linux.

  40. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >the vast majority of games are still crossgen
    >the series s is holding gaming back

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >the vast majority of games are still crossgen
      >the series S still struggles with crossgen titles
      anon, do you think before you open your anus?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >>the series S still struggles with crossgen titles
        ????

        It runs fucking Cyberpunk 2077 at 60 fps.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >It runs fucking Cyberpunk 2077 at 60 fps.
          they had 2 fucking years to optimise since launch, I bloody hope so SIR…oh and they compromised in areas to meet that 60fps, resolution, npc density, effects, object quality…but you continue to own nothing on Gamepass, its your right to listen to Phil and eat ze bugs!

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            You sound extremely mad

  41. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Jeff is right. Devs are just incompetent hacks and the industry is starting to crack because of it.

  42. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Series S
    >FAIL
    >Zune
    Fail
    >Bing
    Fail
    >Windows Vista
    Fail
    >Microsoft Band
    Fail
    >Windows 8
    Fail
    >Windows Phones
    Fail
    >Mixer
    Fail
    >GFWL
    Fail
    >OG Xbox
    Fail
    >360
    RROD
    >Xbox One
    Fail
    >360 Kinect
    Fail
    >Kinect 2.0
    Fail
    >Sea of Theives
    Fail
    >Crackdown 3
    Fail
    >Halo 5
    Fail
    >Halo Infinite
    Fail

    Reminder they also killed Rare, introduced paid online to online console gaming, want to strip all ownership away from the consumer by making everything digital-only on Xcloud and Gamepass, and all off their exclusives are mtx-riddled pay-to-win garbage like Sea of Thieves, Gears4&5, and Halo 5.

    It's also funny that some of you think buying Bethesda is going to save them. Bethesda hasn't made a good game since Skyrim, the rest of their games can't even hit metacritic scores of 80. Let's not also forget they let Bethesda put the Horse Amour DLC on the 360 marketplace back in 2007. If they hadn't done that, microtranstations and other bullshit greedy DLC practices wouldn't even be a thing today.

    Microsoft is the most greedy, anti-consumer, monopolistic, disgusting company there is. Stop defending their shit, Ganker.

    The SERIES ASS is an shit cucksole designed to scam the consumer renting chud indie games and 14 year old 360 games like goyim cattle.

    If you buy and/or support Microsoft in any way, even ironically, you deserve death.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      The fact that you saved this to repost says a lot more about you than microsoft.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's always a pleasure to BTFO Xtards fanboys like you

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          But you're not. Xbox current gen and GamePass are a huge success and dominating the market. You're just a sore consumer loyalist.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Still being BTFO on sales and games by sony and Nintendo kek, Xbox is a failed brand finishing last place since it's inception, almost got terminated last gen, sad

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Still being BTFO on sales and games by sony
              I take it you don't actually look at sales charts.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Found the tendie seething Microsoft doesn't make bing bing wahoos

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Man, tendie recall has lost its meaning huh.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Go back your hole, trannoid freak

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      And yet it's in the top 3 companies by market cap on any given day. Seethe

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Now do google
      BTW, what phone do you have?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Phone
        I'm posting from my Wii u gamepad

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous
  43. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Shitch 2 will hold gaming back even more

  44. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >the reason is because
    It took a chinaman with a PhD in English to explain to me why this was wrong back when I was in college. It's redundant, "because" encompasses "reason" implicitly.
    >the reason is that
    >because
    You use one or the other, not a mix of both.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      It took my 9th grade English teacher telling me to not do this

  45. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Based Phil. I love my Series S and I love that it makes talentless hacks seethe.

  46. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Devs complaining about 1080p 60fps in 2022
    NOOOOOO ITS TOO HARD LET ME BE LAZY SO WE CAN RELEASE AN UNOPTIMIZED GAME LIKE STEAM LETS US

  47. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Series S is not the problem

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Series s has dynamic resolution and rarely stays at his target resolution dumbfuck fanboy, and has drops on all modes, settings on low/ultra low

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's locked 1440p in Gotham Knights you shit eater

  48. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    But it's OK when Nintendo releases shit hardware huh

  49. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Microsoft ruining gaming for 20 years, what else is new?

  50. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    These morons can't even optimise for a 4090. Their opinion means jack shit!

  51. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, the reason is that the Series S forces them to optimize the games just a little bit instead of not at all.

  52. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why do devs even bother fucking with these no availability, low sales consoles when they can make a Switch game with a PC port for a fraction of the cost and market it to hundreds of millions of people?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Third party games all flop on Shitch.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >all flop
        >selling better on switch than playstation

  53. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The Series S is a machine capable of running Microsoft Flight Simulator, devs should just shut up and learn how to code efficiently.

  54. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    So is this Sony's new gambit to throw a wrench into Xbox in light of Microsoft being absolutely determined to make the Activision acquisition happen?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >new
      They've been doing shit like this for years.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >So is this Sony's new gambit
      >SNOY SNOY SNOY
      anon jesus christ step back and sniff some ass, you’re too deep into Gamepass to think straight

  55. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Microshit being Microshit as usual.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Microsoft employs approximately 221,000 people in full-time positions
      >lays off less than 0.5% -- during a recession
      >"surely this means microsoft is crumbling!"

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Kind of makes you wonder how many people Sony are laying off.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Wow they finally got rid of the Zune team what a tragedy.

  56. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >same CPU
    >same feature set GPU wise
    >same storage technology

    moron just lower resolution and put graphics slider on Low. Why are developers such fucking gays nowadays, back then people had to deal the retarded PS3 architecture and they were fine.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >back then people had to deal the retarded PS3 architecture and they were fine.
      I swear most multiplats were sub 30 fps on that POS.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Minecraft doesn't even run half the time on Xbox
        So much for Microsofts high standards for certification

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      needs to meet microsoft certification

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Idk if this breaks nda or not but graphic and resolution settings don't matter as long as the game runs in 720p

  57. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Switch is a thing
    >Low end PCs and laptop gamers are a thing
    >Xbox devkits are AiO machine where you only need to switch few variables to make a game for all console versions
    But yeah, somehow that one specific console is holding back games... for whatever reason.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >literal developer who has a videogame on Gamepass says Series S is shit
      >literal anon who sniffs farts for a living and subscribes to Gamepass says Series S GOOD

      you make a convincing argument anon, hows your Locktober going?

  58. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    PS2 graphics were good enough.

  59. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, devs are lazy as fuck and wish they could just could optimize for just the most powerful SKU, i.e. they wish they could assume that the most powerful hardware will be present to brute-force through their shit engineering.
    Let's be clear: if the average engineer had it their way, they would set the minimum requirements as a GTX 4090 and an i9-13900 so that they could skip the optimization work and go home early.
    The Series S is a machine that is more than powerful enough for running most games on the SEries X at 1080p instead of 4K.
    But this means that the devs have to do basic shit like adjusting the texture quality and mesh complexity for the Series S. And that's shit they DONT want to do. Optimizing isn't super satisfying work for most, it's a lot of poking around to see which step on the pipeline is taking up the most time and figuring out ways to make it shorter.
    Games are not wildly more graphically complex or dense compared to even 10 years ago
    Hell, most of the issues with texture load-in are massively reduced due to the proliferation of SSDs
    If some engineers can get Warframe and DOOM running on a Switch, then it seems ridiculous to me that others can't get a 4K Series X/PS5 game running on a machine that is technologically identical with just reduced RAM and TFLOPS.
    It's just engineers hoping to find something to blame their incompetence on. In their ideal world, there would be a single SKU they have to account for and it would be super powerful such that they never have to open a frame-time breakdown ever again

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Good img and explanation, thanks.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        nvidia publishes this book called GPU gems where fairly veteran graphics engineers put a lot of their strategies and recipes for different features or processes. I've been picking through it and it has a whole chapter just about how to go about optimizing your game's performance.
        https://developer.nvidia.com/gpugems/gpugems/part-v-performance-and-practicalities/chapter-28-graphics-pipeline-performance
        I recommend giving it a look. But in general, optimizing performance in software (not just games) is something most engineers detest doing, either because they're working on a language of such high-abstraction that they don't know how to open up the guts, or they just have some way they like to do things and don't want to have to learn a better way.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Based

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      This is the only post you need in this thread.
      Fuck these lazy retards.

  60. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    My series X is a literal rocket ship just waiting to take off and blast the best gaming pcs to bits but microcunts are holding her back, whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

  61. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    No, it's the switch's fault

  62. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Complaining about Series S
    >Still supporting One S and One X
    Sounds to me like they should talk about dropping support for the previous generation before they start worrying about the current generation.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      The Gotham Knights devs DID drop support for for the last-gen consoles, and they're still complaining.
      I swear, you could probably break open the frame-time breakdown of where their game is spending the most time and see that they just fucking refused to do something as basic as adjusting the texture quality or accounting for the fill-rate.
      Like, these devs will go through every excuse (Oh, the lowest-end SKU is holding us back, oh, the difference in graphics API is holding us back) until they get to working on just the most powerful hardware and their game STILL runs like shit and then they'll say "we did our best ¯_(ツ)_/¯"

  63. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The SeS is literally a SeX with no gaytracing and with lower resolution, these devs are lazy gays who don't feel like implementing shadows and reflections like they always did, Microsoft should support the SeS until the end of the generation out of spite of these lazy, greedy fucks.

  64. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Upsetting devs pissing off graphics fags holding back gaming.

    I will now buy your console

  65. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >people are buying xbox post 2009

    wew lad

  66. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's just graphics artists whining that they can't force their actual gameplay devs to lock to 30fps for that sweet, sweet 33ms rendering time so they can add 20 million post-processing effects

  67. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >AAA dev needs to do work
    >this angers the AAA dev who took the job thinking he would play vidya all day while starting a funko collection on his desk
    don't care
    get back in the cage and work on my digital toys, wagie
    maybe i won't skip the credits if you behave

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      contractors don't dislike optimization work, they love it because of how time consuming it can be.
      It's the salaried engineers who detest it. They know that if they get their shit done, they can go home early.

      Good img and explanation, thanks.

      Based

      It's worth looking to the Min Specs of Gotham Knights on PC to get a sense of what the devs are optimizing for
      based on picrel, they are asking for a GPU of about 5.5 TFLOPS ( at least on the Nvidia end) to run their game. On the AMD end, they're asking for a card with about 7 TFLOPS. All this for performance targeting 1080p, 60fps on low settings.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >contractors don't dislike optimization work
        You're right, they loathe it because they often don't get paid overtime.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Fair enough.
          Point is that it's the type of thing that is doable if you're halfway intelligent and familiar with your field

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >AAA dev needs to do work
      yeah, so give them the most powerful tools available which on the console market is both the Series X and the PS5, but Microsoft decided to also have them babysit their retarded little cousin too, terrible for consoomers

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >yeah, so give them the most powerful tools available which on the console market is both the Series X,
        ftfy
        Why should the PS5 hold back the Series X? Just because it sold more? That's holding back game devs, Sony should just drop out for the sake of making the devs' lives easier

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Sony should just drop out
          SIRS! REDEEM THE BLOODY GAMEPASS SIRS!

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I'm being facetious.
            The idea that the inferior SKU should stop existing because it forces devs to optimize for it can be extended to the PS5 relative to the Series X just as easily as it can be applied to the Series S relative to the other two.
            The point is that, at its core, if you have three systems that all use the exact same type of tech, then any optimizations you make for the lowest-end SKU will extend upwards to the higher-end SKUs. Meaning that devs' inability to develop for the Series S properly just means they're REALLY fucking it up with the Series X and PS5 as well

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah and then they make things like Gotham Knights that struggles to hit 30 on SeX and Ps5, and can’t keep 60 with a 4090.

  68. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Lol who are these devs? I want to know if its coming from real developers that actually know how to optimize are is it coming shitty ones.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      They’re the developers behind such classics as
      >I am Bread
      And
      >Surgeon Sim VR
      So basically they can’t optimize shit. There’s no reason why their games shouldn’t run on low end hardware with how basic they look.

  69. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Microsoft fucking things up, what a shock
    Cancer company

  70. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    He's right though, graphical settings exists and would solve the issue
    I think the real problem is bad devs, not that that would surprise anyone with half a brain

  71. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >he fell for the series s meme

    LMAO enjoy your 30 fps

  72. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/developer-claims-many-studios-are-asking-xbox-to-drop-mandatory-series-s-compatibility/

    >”Digital Foundry’s Alexander Battaglia claimed in May to have heard from some developers that memory constraints were making Xbox Series S a “pain” to work with.”
    >“We’ve heard from multiple developers that they kind of feel the Series S is a bit of a pain at times – not the CPU or GPU power there, but it’s more like the memory constraints,” he said.”

    what will it take to have Microsoft acknowledge their error

    >”Despite the criticism from some developers, Series S was estimated to have outsold the more powerful Xbox Series X in several key markets”

    oh, I guess they never will. Series S is too embedded, next-gen was over before it began

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >but it’s more like the memory constraints
      In that case, it sounds like they don't want to make or work with non-4K textures. But that sounds very stupid to me, like the devs aren't actually looking to use the newer features in the new consoles and are still just sticking to older methods of shit for texture streaming.
      One basic example of Sampler Feedbacking Streaming. Both consoles have some variant of it but it basically lets the system very minutely load in different parts of a texture based on what side of an object you're looking at it from and how closely. It means it wouldn't bother having to load in the full 4K texture all at once when you got close. IT would literally only render what you'd need to see (and then some to account for movement) and only at the detail level that mattered.
      I doubt most devs are willing to use these new features because learning how to use them adds time to the dev cycle (learning pains of new features) and it's not even a given that they're available on PC.
      This is the essential part of why I consider complaints about console development to be stupid. The real bottleneck is the types of techniques they use for PC. The new Xboxes and PS5s all have access to some pretty new tech but most devs don't touch it because they're just using the known methods they rely on for PC optimization. In other words, they're only using Lowest Common Denominator techniques that are applicable to most PC rigs.
      Memory stops being an issue when you start making use of the new hardware features because MS and Sony put those features in specifically to address issues about memory and bandwidth speed
      >AAAH, IM RUNNING OUT OF SPACE DUE TO HOW BIG THE TEXTURES ARE
      then use SFS to cut down on what's actually being loaded in, retard
      >AAAAH, THE TEXTURES ARENT LOADING FAST ENOUGH
      Then use the hardware decompression, retard

  73. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    if they cared about performance they would only make pc games

  74. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Fuck the Series S waaaaah it's a cage we 'have to develop' for and because of it we 'have' to drop the game to 30fps otherwise it won't pass Microsoft's verifications!!!!
    >The game also drops to 25 on ps5.
    Ah ok then. Sure this isn't a stunt.

    Will we ever go back to a time where games are made by people that aren't a black hole of retardation that have to sperg online all day? Not a good image for any compnay.

  75. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >want to play vidya
    >only have a switch, want newer games
    >hadn't had good hardware the past decade
    >go to shop
    >no ps5, never seen one
    >no SeX, never had it
    >Serie S aplenty
    >buy one, get gamepass
    >play vidya
    Meanwhile
    >socal artist wants to make shiny graphics on expensive and hard to produce hardware
    >no one bought it
    >no one can
    >the average pc gamers still runs his decade old GC
    >get mad at white gamers
    >never stop bringing it up to the simp devs roaming the office

    If I were Microsoft I would double down on Serie S it has so much potential. I guess not bringing attention to it allows stocks to stay at an acceptable level

  76. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    wait people don't use their xbox as emulation machine?

  77. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I don't get it, how did CDP manage to make a pretty good port for the Series S if it's so underpowered? Sounds more like publishers don't want to spend money to optimize/are garden gnomes

  78. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    All these lazy dev apologists in this thread… Give Carmack a Series S and he will make a new graphic marvel running at 4K60. New devs are just lazy and under qualified

  79. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    TFW You realize your $2500 4090 Ti cant do 4k60fps because little Timmy is playing the same game on his 1050 Ti, which apparently makes total sense to Twitter game devs.

  80. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I thought the whole idea with the Series S was that it could stream more demanding games and therefore not be a bottleneck for development?

  81. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Series S is holding the consoles back
    >How exactly? The graphics presets have existed for ages.
    >i-it just does ok?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I'm not too proud to admit that it took my dumbass almost 75% of the video before I understood wtf I was looking at.

  82. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Imagine supporting M$ scheme to milk consumers of more money.

  83. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Jeff is right. PC has been holding back games for decades

  84. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Crazy how the series ass makes lazy millenial devs, trannies and femoids shit and piss and coom in their pants out of fear
    You know what? Good on microsoft for releasing this piece of shit. Hopefully it forces devs to optimize their games. No excuses

  85. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Remember when xshills wouldn’t shut up about series x being the most powerful console ever? Now they want hideously downgraded games lol

  86. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Imagine still complaining about a device being underpowered in a reality where even a fucking chinkphone android device under $99 has more graphical processing power than a xbox360 could ever dream of. Yet, games still play and feel no different than they did back in 2008, aka 14 years ago. Now go back the same amount of time a from 2008 to 1994. Photorealism should be long overdue. My fucking laptop from 2001 didn't even have a 16 gig HDD and you complain about 10 gig RAM not being enough? Get a grip. RTX was a fucking mistake.

  87. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Wah, I don’t want to have to do work to optimize anything. I want to just shit out my ass without a toilet or wiping while wearing pants.

  88. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    maybe developers can fuck off with graphics and create something good

  89. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Doesn't even work in the games industry,
    >Deleted tweet
    Lol you just know.

  90. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I don't trust developers that only make games in Unity

  91. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Nu-dev doesn't know how to optimize games
    Many such cases.

  92. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The issue is many devs dont know how to properly do a downgrade witout using the sliders in unreal to do the work for them.

    Many devs dont have the skills to do a bespoke downgrade of a game cause they only know how to use games with bloated code like Unreal.

    Or worse....unity.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      hiring too many worthless retards and diversity chuds

  93. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Above tweet completely mogs all arguments with actual facts
    >Actually many devs...
    This is retarded, PC games would never ever exist if that was the case, Devs are fucking making games for the fucking PS4 this moron is retarded

  94. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    it seems like console devs like in some alternate reality
    ITS CALLED OPTIMIZATION

  95. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Instead of pushing unoptimized graphics garbage, make actual good games.

  96. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I don't give a fuck, learn to optimize your games you lazy gays

  97. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >nooooo why can't I take the path of less resistance and deliver my pozzed movie using 20x as much resources as it should

  98. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I think they have bigger issues than this. Besides they're still releasing everything for PS4 too, that's 10 years old now.

  99. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Devs don't know how to optimize the game engine since it's not theirs. They just rent it from Epic Games. Tim needs to hire competent programmers to make Unreal less of a shitty engine, is all.

  100. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Modern devs are just hopeless mongoloids.

  101. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Even fucking Cyberpunk runs at 60fps on series S.
    It seems to me lazy devs are being filtered for not learning how to optimize or to use new tech that can help them.

  102. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    let's be real, the S was a retarded idea

    literally only pajeets like that thing

  103. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Bottom just sounds like lazy developers who don't want to optimize at all
    I'd say fire those lazy morons and hire some competent developers

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      The issue is there literally aren't enough competent developers, especially if you're some small-time indie studio or a B-team that the publisher grabbed to work on something to pad out the fiscal year.
      Especially when they use rent-an-engine because nobody on their team is a proper engineer so they're just using the stuff with the most out-of-the-box features and a relatively easy to use GUI.
      This is one of the reasons why Unreal games and Unity games run like shit on Switch as well, even if the game isn't graphically intensive. When you compile and export your project from these engines, they tend to bundle a lot of useless and unused packages and CPU-intensive processes into your game because the devs never thought to go in and explicitly remove them. Because why would you ever need to go under the hood to alter a game engine for your specific needs, that's just crazy

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Bottom just sounds like lazy developers who don't want to optimize at all
        I'd say fire those lazy morons and hire some competent developers

        >t. grew up with 7th gen being 2005 for 8 years and doesn't know what optimization is

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Explain to us what optimization is, great anon.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Something your simple mind could never understand. It involves adjusting the code to use more efficient libraries and calls, algorithms. No amount of that is going to make your 12 year old budget computer run a new AAA game at good settings.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Fascinating. And yet games still get optimized for low-end hardware all the time. Fucking Nier A running on the Switch is proof that it's at least fucking doable if the dev gives enough of a shit to find the bottlenecks and address them.
              So if you're going to sit there and tell me that reducing texture quality, mesh complexity and breaking out SFS is too much for the engineers that actually make these games, then I guess the minds over at these studios are simpler that even my own

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Easier to do it for the switch because it's a userbase with zero standards and the screen itself is puny. Do it for regular consoles, and you have cyberpunk release 1.0 on the ps4.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah except the Series S is perfectly able to pump out games at 1080p resolution with lower texture resolution as well. The question is why is it so hard for devs to account for that?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Because they want to make unoptimized games that they can just brute-force onto the full-spec consoles (while barely or not even looking better than last gen games)

  104. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    gonna be real Hispanicy when Starfield launches and its only the Series S + X competing against each other in the console space, especially since all signs point to Starfield being 30fps on console

  105. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    That Ian gay completely ignored Jeff's argument.
    >the proof that what me and my friends a crying about us a real issue is the fact that me and my friends are crying about it.
    Stfu gay. Make a game that has more going for it than fancy graphics. Fuck western devs.

  106. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Anyone with a brain knew this was going to be a problem.
    >make shitty underpowered "next gen" console
    >already know its underpowered but do it anyway to strong arm devs into developing for it
    >game devs refuse to release shit on nintendo consoles for the most part because of the samr problem
    >microsoft puts in just enough juice into the crapbox so that devs really cant say no

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >already know its underpowered but do it anyway to strong arm devs into developing for it
      this is the previously quiet part thats slowly but surely leaking out as time goes by, I honestly wouldn’t put it past Microsoft buying out devs and publishers to keep quiet about the Series S being the achilles heel of next-gen

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Being under-powered is relative.
      For instance, if you're targeting 1080p, 4 TFLOPS and 10 GB of memory is more than enough.
      The reality is most devs are just too incompetent to optimize at all, let alone for multiple graphics APIs and specifications. They literally just don't know enough about low-level engineering to find or address bottlenecks.
      And devs really don't have a proper excuse because it's not really an issue of power. Power is almost never an issue if you lower your resolution and texture-detail expectations.
      In the case of the Switch, the issue is it's on a fundamentally different tech paradigm in some ways. It doesn't use an SSD, it uses flash memory. IT's ARM instead of x86. It's CPU is WOEFULLY underpowered.
      By comparison, the Series S is literally just a Series X but with fewer CUs and about 6 gigs less memory. Most of those extra gigs were for accommodating larger texture files.
      so devs are saying "yes, the series s is technologically identical to the series X and PS5 but with some adjusted specs. But we don't know how to optimize for the Series X or PS5 either, so we DEFINITELY don't know how to optimize for the Series S"

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Series X games target 4k. Seeing as you have a "brain" I would love for you to explain why Series S can't just run the games in 1080p?

      Actual retard.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        t.pajeet

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          that doesn't even make sense as a response. esl or newfag?

  107. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I don't get it. Can't they just lower the resolution?

  108. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The most popular GPU is a 1060.
    The Series S CPU is barely slower than a Series X.
    If a game runs at 4k 60fps on Series X, how hard is it to get your game running 1080p 60fps on Series S? You don't even need optimization. 4k is literally four times the resolution of 1080p. If you cannot downgrade the resolution, or the frame-rate, or even the graphics, then you are technically incompetent and should not be in the game industry.

    I'm fucking sick of modern developers. Useless as tits on a bull.

  109. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Another Twitter screencap thread

  110. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Ganker got butthurt from this tweet when it really so right

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Danny is a complete clown. If you find yourself agreeing with him on anything you need to check yourself before you rek yourself.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Noclip has been more interesting than any post on Ganker in regards to game dev so I'll go with that

        are you retarded
        you think most people heading a games publisher know how to develop video games

        You should learn to read

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      are you retarded
      you think most people heading a games publisher know how to develop video games

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >publisher
        >development
        Man you zoomers get stupider every day

  111. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    If you're going to drop the SS

    drop the ps4 as well then.
    This argument is stupid when you realize most devs are still making PS4 PORTS like RE4

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >millons own a ps4
      >vs a few million
      Retarded post.

  112. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >N-NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! YOU CAN'T JUST FORCE US TO OPTIMIZE OUR GAMES! SO WHAT IF A 4090 CAN'T EVEN RUN THE GAME AT 4K/60?

  113. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    lol

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Montreal sisters... our careers are over

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      https://www.eurogamer.net/digitalfoundry-2022-gotham-knights-is-a-poor-effort-suffering-from-a-range-of-technical-issues
      This game is pathetic

      Montreal sisters... our careers are over

      Nah, they'll just find jobs elsewhere
      The people who worked on legendary flops like Mass Effect Andromeda keep getting hired over and over again

  114. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Indie dev here. Series S is a major issue because Microsoft WILL NOT let you publish a game if it can not target both Series S and Series X at 30 fps avg. It's been a major headache of mine trying to get my game published and I ended up having to remove a lot of features from all builds just to meet requirements. Yes, you heard that right, games are being dumbed down because of this issue. In the end my company decided to just ditch our Xbox release and target only PS, Switch and PC.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      My uncle works at Nintendo

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >30 fps avg
      If you're making 30fps games in the year 2022, you deserve to be shut down

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        30fps is still standard on consoles. 60 fps is still a luxury.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          consoles are holding back the industry

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >30fps is still standard on consoles. 60 fps is still a luxury.
          60 fps is pretty much the norm on the new ones (well at least the option for a performance mode), it's why it's noteworthy when a game doesn't support that and they get rightful pushback.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Performance modes are not a requirement to be published. You just need to hit 30 on average for approval.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              I never said that once, I'm saying the majority of games do support 60 and the ones that don't are outliers. Not that they're breaking any requirements

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              30 fps isn't necessary to be published either.
              The weirdness is that games are moving away from having a performance mode, even though the time saved from downgrading to 1080p should be enough (at least in most games) to cut down on frame-time and boost FPS to 50-60

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Source: just trust me bro!

      Even if you arent lying I’m sure your “game” is a turd

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Your shitposter detector is broken. Hint: look at the consoles his "game" is getting released on.

  115. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Don't post. That idiot gave Driv3r and Kane & Lynch low scores because they were too hard for him. He's an idiot parasite and shouldn't be advertised on Ganker.

  116. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    They can't stick the games on low settings so it can run with how badly optimised games are now.

  117. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    fake grassroots movement paid for by sony

  118. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >unqualified devs make retarded claim
    so what's new?

  119. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    why can't these gays just shut the fuck up and make fun games

  120. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because those developers wanting to stop Series S forced support, are lazy and incompetent, because they cannot within the confines of the xbox series s machine.

  121. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Shit devs all around. KojiPro made some of the greatest games ever on a fucking PS2. And western devs are whining that 10GB VRAM is too little. They have no idea what effort devs had to put in a few gens back.

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