>Most mons that get a regional are a decade old minimum
>Pic-rel however immediately gets regionalized the next generation
Is this TPC's biggest regret?
>Most mons that get a regional are a decade old minimum
>Most mons that get a regional are a decade old minimum
>Pic-rel however immediately gets regionalized the next generation
Is this TPC's biggest regret?
why would they give more sooner than others to something they regret
I would say their biggest regret was not shilling Decidueye while the iron was hot since it became the most popular Alola starter.
Glas we agree Pokken is a stinky turd
it didn't
It did.
>pollcope
Lord, help me. Do you actually think other people will agree on pic related for example?
The way the poll was set up means you can't really compare mons from different gens. That's why the discussion was about Alola in particular.
Arcanine's placement among gen 1 Pokemon is not small feat. It beat the likes of Blastoise, Snorlax and Lapras.
>The way the poll was set up means you can't really compare mons from different gens.
If that were true, the votes wouldn't have been tallied together in a great to least fashion. Or Greninja/Charizard keks wouldn't be throwing shit at each other from the start of it.
Incelroar gays are delusional
>Using the Google polling as proof of popularity when we know of at least two SNS campaigns to boost votes
Don't do this.
>when we know of at least two SNS campaigns to boost votes
What?
Dedenne and Buzzwole were over-represented in their regions thanks to influencer campaigns.
suuuuuure
I do actually remember anons being confused why buffbug was SO popular, only to find out some nip twittard was shilling it. Fact remains however, it was limited to people over 13 (can't on a google email legally below that age) and counted multiple votes over multiple days (and because it's piss easy to set up a gmail, piss easy to multivote for something).
There was an autist who'd regularly return to the alolan starter leak thread on nyafuu to reply to the dead thread years after, because she was so pissed off she was wrong and the alolans were acually real. There's undoubtedly some fat mess voted daily with sockpuppets because decidueye HAD to win to salvage some pride for birdkeks. Then Game Freak put them back in their box, by giving the shitter a complete re-design to make normalgays like it.
I don't get it, what's wrong with someone "influencing" votes?
Or maybe Decidueye is just a well-liked mon.
You guys are seriously coming up with conspiracy theories over a starter placing high on an online poll?
Why are you so dead set on the idea that nobody liked Decidueye before PLA came out?
No anon. Internet manchildren like it. Normalgays and kids don't however. Staggering a poll aimed squarely at internet manchildren made it look popular, yet Game Freak still turned around later than year and started to give it a re-design in time for Legends. Because they knew the opinions of internet manchildren aren't worth the energy used to display them.
>a japanese magazine readership is a better representation of the fanbase than a global internet poll
Do you frickers even think about what you post?
And how is Hisui Decidueye some indictment against the original? Is it not more likely Game Freak chose to give it a new form BECAUSE it's popular? Or are you telling me Typhlosion is the least liked Johto starter?
What's with this derangement over the owl?
Said magazine is effectively the Japanese equivalent of Nintendo Power.
>Is it not more likely Game Freak chose to give it a new form BECAUSE it's popular?
No, not really. It's sharing a pool with the two starters people have complained the most about in terms of viability given Typhlosion and Samurott's famously terrible movepools and general strength. That says more about Decidueye than you'd like to admit especially given the existence of Dhelmise who did its exact job but better in some cases in Alola and Hisuian Liligant doing the same in PLA.
>Said magazine is effectively the Japanese equivalent of Nintendo Power.
Which is still less than a worldwide poll.
>seriously I want to know why you think re-tools were EVER given to popular things
>Ninetales isn't popular
>Raichu isn't popular
>Arcanine isn't popular
>fricking MEOWTH isn't popular
Shit, even Muk placed high on the poll.
>Which is still less than a worldwide poll.
It's still the hardest empirical data we have to the point. Which makes Deci jumping over the other two Alolan Starters to such a degree in the middle of Gen VIII come off as really weird when the anime basically abandoned it for Rowlet and Pokken DX got an extremely limp reception.
>It's still the hardest empirical data we have to the point.
It's too small a sample.
>Which makes Deci jumping over the other two Alolan Starters to such a degree in the middle of Gen VIII come off as really weird when the anime basically abandoned it for Rowlet and Pokken DX got an extremely limp reception.
Why would it be weird? It lines up with how Decidueye's been making more appearances lately like in Unite.
Yeah, I don't get this reasoning either. Buzzwole is clearly popular, and always has been, it was one of gen 7's biggest meme mons. If anything, it's strange that it didn't place higher.
wait, is unite actually popular? i have not once heard of a single person playing it, i figured it was a bomb.
>Arcanine isn't popular
According to pollkeks, he's not popular as Incineroar
therefore ISN'T; and if you disagree, you're a delusional baragay!
No anon. Outside Gen 2 and the death of pokémania, these things weren't popular.
Notice there's no Gengar, Charizard, Lucario or Pikachu regional form. because they're all shillmon who pull more than their weight by being actually popular with people. Then look at your shitbird, the youngest pokéon to date to get a regional form.
>Gen 2 and the death of pokémania
These are not separate
Crystal, the johto anime filler, and fatigue killed the mania before protodexit happened.
Which popular shit here got a re-tool anon? No, seriously I want to know why you think re-tools were EVER given to popular things, when if they were popular, they would be selling numbers negating the need for someone to come along and say "maybe if we did this with it, people would start to like it more". Just because you like something, doesn't mean the world does. And the internet has this nasty habit of spewing noise everywhere to cover for hard facts.
Ninetales, Stunfisk.
Typhlosion is pipular too
Wait a second, Meowth isn't popular despite being one of the main characters of the TV show forever?
>No, seriously I want to know why you think re-tools were EVER given to popular things
Devil's advocate but Megas were a thing though they were also 60% shameless popularity wanking.
Ninetails had its stint in Gen V as a weather setter but that fell off something fierce.
>All three starters this high
Whenever you like it or not alola seems to be the most succesfull trio
IIRC, it was just a poll ranking the alolan pokémon only, but the fact Prima gapped he other two so easily was the surprise (shitpost war had really started to kick up - so of course cat and owlgays ignored it to shout at each other harder).
As much as I like the High School Trio, that distinction is probably still held by Hoenn.
first of all based primarina stays winning, but secondly if rowlet is far and away the most popular doesn't that kind of go for its whole line? if you like one you most likely like all three, and if you can only vote once you'll probably vote for your favorite of them.
like, say there was a gen 2 poll, my favorite final stage starter is meganium but i still like chikorita a little more, so my vote naturally goes to dunsparce, but for the sake of the argument it would be chikorita, taking away one vote for meganium over feraligatr and typhlosion even though i would absolutely vote for it over those two, because i also have to choose between it and another member of its own line. if a lot of people who like meganium also like chikorita more, they vote for it which takes away a substantial amount of votes that would otherwise be going to meganium, giving the illusion of it being less popular than it really is. again for the sake of argument pretend meganium isn't overwhelmingly the least popular, it's just an illustrative scenario. lets say against all odds chikorita dunks on the entire regional dex and comes out above typhlosion and feraligatr, while meganium was somewhere else lower on the list. that wouldn't necessarily mean meganium is less popular than tyohlosion and feraligatr, would it? i'd say no, that doesn't really follow, because pokémon don't exist in a vacuum. you really need to consider a broader context, like the things they're related to which could cannibalize their votes.
tl;dr, basically what i'm saying is, rowlet being overwhelmingly the most popular is probably a pretty good sign for decidueye also being popular.
>if you like one you most likely like all three
Piplup says hi.
hi piplup!
>le burger "but a win for one is a win for ALL" mentality
Nope, in Japan, they're judged as individuals - popularity of one form does not always translate into another form's popularity (the aforementioned Piplup but also Pikachu too). And Decidueye ranked 14 places below its base stage and behind the other two starters. So what if the west identifies with it - Game Freak are Japanese and prioritise reception in Japan over catering to manchildren westwards (it's why it became a Japanese archer with traditional hat in its redesign).
Because we had the Nintendo Dream poll during US/UM where it didn't make the top cut at all and Primarina was far and away the "winner" of the final stage Alolan starters. And keep in mind this is a poll where you needed a subscription and a physical address to vote so there's far less chance of tampering.
>Buzzwole
Reminder /vp/ discredited it as a meme poll because of Inteleon kicked the niggorilla and bunny ass in nihongo.
Yet this happened, kek.
and eiscue still cucked Rillaboom, the funniest part.
He never stood a chance
This, they realized they bet on the wrong horse after Smash and then we got Decidueye in Pokken, Unite and a regional form, then Decideye was one of the first raids right up there with Shillfrog meanwhile Incineroar is still not in SV somehow.
Pokken DX came before Smash and Incineroar only got into that game because of Sakurai. Your arguments are painting the idea that there's an attempt to force Deci to be a shillmon to try to match Rowlet rather than it being actually popular.
If Decidueye was a shillmon it would have gotten all the promotion early in the generation like Incineroar did, the fact that Deci only began to show up in things after the generation was mostly done shows TCPI saw what people actually liked and responded accordingly. This is also why Incineroar (and primarina) have gotten exactly nothing after the generation.
This cope is so weird to me
>decidueye isn't the most popular starter! Rowlet is!
Like, okay moron, Decidueye is still the most popular final stage. It's like saying that no one likes Sprigatito because Meowscarada polled better, or no one likes any of the Eeveeloutions because Eevee gets shilled, it just reads like you hate the idea that people can like both Pokemon and one gets the merch while the other shows up in games.
Good on you for leaving out the part where Sakurai says he typically picks the Pokemon getting promoted in movies and the like, and guess which alola starter was in the early gen movie.
Incineroar was the corporation backed shillmon no one liked and Decidueye is the people's choice. How you wind up in fricking Smash bros but still poll worse than two forms of the owl is the final nail the coffin for incineroargays.
>you for leaving out the part
No I haven't, lol. I'm the one who brings it up in certain or invoked Smash topics
>Sakurai says he typically picks the Pokemon getting promoted in movies and the like,
and how would that have any affect to what they were making prior?
Not to mention the fact Cross, the literal punk with antagonistic pokemon, having a Decidueye because Sakurai chosen them wouldn't make any goddamn sense.
I'm saying who ever got into Smash and anything else wouldn't even matter to what TPCI already has cooking.
You seriously can't accept the fact the cat got pick over and it wasn't even for sake of marketing.
>this is "betting a horse" according to rosterhomosexuals
it's funny, if it did get added into the game, it would affirm the fact it was nothing but another predictable market pick.
That's exactly why Greninja got into Smash 4 in the first place.
Actually, the most popular Alola starter wasn't even a final stage, it was Rowlet. Comedy Relief Owl in the anime was just THAT appealing to kids in Japan and made a lasting impression.
And to rub salt in the wounds of Pancake Owl fans, they gave it an Everstone just like they did with Dawn's Piplup.
>rub salt
You morons deserve it for ignoring reality so hard.
Maybe it shouldn't have become a shitmon then
no giratina, rotom, shaymin, kyurem, keldeo and diancie were as they got a new form the same gen
Underrated post.
unown got new forms in gen 3 and 4
eevee got new forms in gen 2, 4, and 6
That's evolution
Some gen 9 mons will probably make the cut for Gen 10
Yeah and it got speed nerf. Alolan variant biggest problem was its speed anyway. Typhlosion was even more nerfed, less speed and usesless HA
Arguably Rillaboom, but they recently gave him back his Grassy Glide
Today I shall be mad at owls
I think it looks pretty cool
Nah, Rowlet is much more popular/better and it's one of the most shilled starters.
Decidueye still got shilled a lot by getting in pokken and unite but just isn't a marketable pokemon as his merch doesn't really sell much in Japan.
>by getting in *legends and unite
Pokken is a flophouse
In USUM, Decidueye had Phantom Force, Leaf Storm, Shadow Sneak and Ominous Wind added to its level-up movepool.
Neither Incineroar nor Primarina received any buffs of this kind.