>AD&D
>in a tavern
>my white male human fighter has 34 hp
>"watch this"
>approach greedy nobleman
>"I'll let you stab me 3... hell, double it and make it SIX times with your dagger. If I live I own your manor. If I die you keep all my gold and magic items."
>DM breaks out in sweat knowing dagger does 1d4 damage
>I now own manor for the cost of a healing potion
>nobleman doesn't even stoop to respond to you
>has his body guards subdue you
>in the morning the local magistrate sentences you to life in prison for assaulting a member of the landed gentry and carrying a weapon while poor
Hand over your character sheet for disposal, scrub.
i would rp opportunities for the character to try to evade capture or escape, or appeal to someone powerful if they know them. but otherwise that would be the appropriate response to a player trying to pull that off
>it's another zoomer thinks he's found le heckin old school d&d loophole
AD&D has rules about immediately dispatching foes who are incapacitated or asleep or unable or unwilling to defend themselves outside of a melee tho. In 3E on you could probably finagle that moronic bullshit HP numbers game, but Gary's pretty clear that an opponent with no defenses outside of a general melee is not a roll, damage or to hit. It's just a free dispatch.
>If a general melee is in progress, and the attacker IS subject to enemy actions, then these opponents are automatically struck by any attack to which they would normally be subject, and the maximum damage possible according to the weapon type is inflicted each time such an opponent is so attacked. The number of attacks or attack routines possible against such an opponent is twice the number normally allowed in a round. Otherwise, such opponents may be automatically slain
The greedy nobleman cuts your unguarded, stationary throat. You die gurgling in the street and he sleeps like a baby.
>such opponents may be automatically slain
Yeah a funny thing is it didn't say that anywhere in OD&D, because Gary thought nobody would be stupid enough to make round after round of attack and damage rolls against sleeping or incapacitated enemies, but it wasn't long before dummies were writing letters about how D&D was "stupid" because you had to do that, so he had to make this obvious bit of common sense into an explicit rule in AD&D. A lot of AD&D is like that, just Gary's response to autists and minmaxers and dummies who needed things spelled out for them.
I know OP is wrong and a homosexual but your greenquote here could be argued as not really applying to this very situation. The only acceptable answer is "you've NEVER played a rpg game before because it's not how GMing work".
Why the frick would a nobleman gambles all his belongings for the honor of stabing a total rando six times?
Any decent GM would either laughs this idea off, counter-offer a fight with one of his guards for petty money, or accept the deal and then proceed to stab the bastard straight in the throat if played narratively or, or one surprise attack at a time each random nights using a cursed unhealing wound dagger with extra damage if played mechanically with an absolute autistic frick.
For me, Narrative > mechanics. If someone were to try to rule cuck me like that or with some similar situation I'd kill their character outright as a lesson not to act like a spergy homosexual. I might roll D20 to decide if they're instantly killed or only grievously wounded and knocked out. As you mentioned,
>Why the frick would a nobleman gamble all his belongings for the honor of stabbing a total rando six times?
The verbiage I'd use would vary for setting, but it'd be the equivalent of "Frick off moron".
>Why the frick would a nobleman gambles all his belongings for the honor of stabing a total rando six times?
The Adventurer said "No Balls." And now, here we are.
>Why the frick would a nobleman gambles all his belongings for the honor of stabing a total rando six times?
OP said the PC was gambling all his magic items, dummy. No amount of $ would get the nobleman another wand of shortstack summoning.
In that case, the nobleman can be pretty much certain the bet is rigged, there are all kinds of magic items that could do it, and Joe Rando the PC has an assortment of magic items.
The rules say you have to make an attack roll if the target is defending himself, OP is not. Also "bracing yourself to take a punch" is totally a thing you can do, tensing up your muscles to distribute the blunt force across a wider area -- "bracing yourself to be stabbed repeatedly" is not.
>The rules say you have to make an attack roll if the target is defending himself, OP is not.
Right. I never said he needs an attack roll. But the max damage he can do is 4.
Once he's won the nobleman's manor, he could bet the local sage he'll survive a jump off the manor's 50' roof. 5d6 damage. "Ser Lenin smiles down at the gullible sage and calmly steps off the roof to collect his winnings."
>But the max damage he can do is 4.
You are one of those bad DMs that Gygax had to write extra rules for.
>Once he's won the nobleman's manor, he could bet the local sage he'll survive a jump off the manor's 50' roof. 5d6 damage. "Ser Lenin smiles down at the gullible sage and calmly steps off the roof to collect his winnings."
I notice none of the Big Brain seethers and copers have addressed this.
>B-but the max damage he can do is 4.
Hahahaha. Slain is slain, bubby.
>>B-but the max damage he can do is 4.
>Hahahaha. Slain is slain, bubby.
oh noooooooooo your PC isn't reeeeeeesisting he'd never liv-ACK!!
You sound angry. Why don't you take a break and roll up a new character? One less moronic maybe
>AD&D has rules about immediately dispatching foes who are incapacitated or asleep or unable or unwilling to defend themselves outside of a melee tho. In 3E on you could probably finagle that moronic bullshit HP numbers game, but Gary's pretty clear that an opponent with no defenses outside of a general melee is not a roll, damage or to hit. It's just a free dispatch.
lol, what are you babbling about? The PC isn't asleep or incapacitated. He's bracing himself exactly like Harry Houdini used to allow anyone to punch him in the stomach WHEN HE WAS PREPARED. He only died when some cuck sucker punched him. The PC is ready for the attack and therefore the max damage he can take each round is 4. Not only that, the attacks will take six minutes, lol, since AD&D rounds are 1 minute each and the level 0 communist only has one attack per round.
Don't DM if you don't even understand your own game's rules.
Funny enough, but they seemingly left out a Coup de Grace rule in 5e and instead grant advantage or a free critical hit, which still isn't an instant kill, so you can have a totally helpless target and you can stab them in the face, and by the letter of the rules, you have to roll damage like normal, over and over again until they hit zero.
They already fricked this shit up with 3e, a coup-de-grace by then could be avoided by passing a fortitude saving throw vs dc 10+damage, which could lead, if taken literally, to demential situations like surviving a guillotine execution because you rolled a nat20.
A coup de grace automatically hits and crits, a guillotine would be a x4 crit like a scythe, somebody who's a gigachad with neck muscles so powerful they literally repel a blade on contact surviving it makes sense in the same way a dragon shrugging off swords and axes does, anyone with enough HP to survive an automatic x4 critical hit from a guillotine (closest analogue is probably a wall scythe trap which is 2d4+6) is superhuman anyways. That's an average of 44 damage when a commoner has 4 HP. That's as much health as an immature dragon. An ogre in 3.5 has 29 HP. Plus it's still a DC 50+ save to avoid death, rolling a natural 20 can simply be played off as a freak stroke of luck or fate, the same way a rogue with evasion can literally dodge a meteor swarm going off point blank and take absolutely no damage
Meat points are a blight.
>/tg/ isn't particularly interested in what Gary had to say.
Yes it is. See what a pointless claim you made.
>new DM
Checks out.
Any good DM knows to rewrite what they don't like and invoke rule zero whenever it's convenient for their script or story.
>the greedy nobleman sees that you are beyond the level of a hero, possibly even a myrmidon, and thinks better of stabbing you
>instead he offers his manor for the low price of 400 pounds of gold and one elf slave
he offers his manor for the low price of 400 pounds of gold and one elf slave
make it a shortstack and it's a deal
Shitposting aside isn't it unusual when players assume their character is the very first person to notice certain things? Like in a world that operates on these rules as written, whether it's common knowledge that "leveling" or whatever is real like some isekai, the common man would still know that some people can be practically gutted like fish and just sleep it off. Surgeons would be trained to ask people how often they wander the lands slaying monsters before they bothered using medicine on a guy who's just gonna feel fine after a long rest.
It's the same as "I summon the cow in the air above their head". Like I think it'd take most of three days before the original dude who came up with it tried pointing his wand into the air to see what happened. Battlefields would be littered with confused and sore cows.
>It's the same as "I summon the cow in the air above their head". Like I think it'd take most of three days before the original dude who came up with it tried pointing his wand into the air to see what happened. Battlefields would be littered with confused and sore cows.
Don't go down the rabbit hole why every single town isn't lit by a handful of 'continual light' spells. Or why your local lord hasn't ruled for 1000 years thanks to successive Reincarnation spells (and that's only because Raise Dead, etc. don't solve death from old age. But he can die 100 battles in death as long as he can afford it. And of course he can afford it. Do you know how compound interest works over 500 years?)
Are there actually DMs like this, who think that they are somehow constrained by the rules?
Do people really play like this? I mean, we did when I was in primary school and the DM wouldn't let us listen at a door before opening it because it wasn't in the rules, but we were in single fricking digits agewise, what's your excuse
If I was the noble I'd stab the c**t in both eyes, both kidneys, the heart, and the throat.
And you fricking die because per ad&d rules a defenceless foe gets automatically coup-de-grace'd no matter the hp total. No saving throw also.
Helpless or willing attack targets take full damage every time with no roll to hit. But the real question is, why would the noble have any reason to agree to this?
"Why would I bet so much while you're only betting your lowly life?"
>The greedy nobleman has the STR stat of 14.
No need to roll dice to hit or determine how hard you hit the target, because you aren't fighting back. So that is 4+2, 6 damage per stab, and after 6 stabs he did 36 damage and you are bleeding out on the floor like a fool.
AD&D coup-de-grace rules mean you don't even roll, it's just auto-kill. OP is dumb. This is like peasant railgun levels of "assume the DM is a moronic robot" but unlike that, it's not clever or funny.
It's a shame that the noble owns a dagger of venom.
>My new DM was SHAKING with rage when I dominated him with my rules mastery.
Sure sure...Your a real rules genius. I'll take shit that didn't happen for a thousand Alex....
>I'll let you stab me 3... hell, double it and make it SIX times with your dagger
You think your basic math skills make you a rules master?
Has it occurred to you that you told the DM that the nobleman can stab your fighter with his own dagger?
The DM could easily give the nobleman a magic dagger or one or more of his rolls could be Critical Hits (Double Damage).
I'd make the Nobleman a Assassin who uses his Nobleman status as a cover and then he back stabs you SIX times.
Just roll up another PC math genius....
Lot of grognard seething in this thread. They're all "muh simulation muh open rolls muh living world that's why we have RULES chud" until faced with the rules doing something they don't like. Literally rules for thee but not for me LOL.
>until faced with the rules doing something they don't like
By the rules of AD&D, OP's character is dead as a doornail on the spot.
This thread is an embarrassment for all involved.
OP"s level of trolling and continued baiting is just terrible, but the people engaging with it are somehow even worse.
I'm pretty sure OP is just going to keep bumping his thread forever, so this embarrassment is going to linger for days. I hope no one visiting this board sees it and judges this board by it. It's kind of unfair to judge the entire board by its worst threads, so hopefully they'll just see that this is just a sampling of our worst shitposters, and not something that represents the board as a whole.
To anyone who stumbled into this thread, looking to start arguing one way or the other, for shame. Shame on you. Leave OP to his homosexualry.
>To anyone who stumbled into this thread, looking to start arguing one way or the other, for shame. Shame on you. Leave OP to his homosexualry.
Back to rpg.net for you. Unless you got permabanned for suggesting white male fighters aren't inherently evil or something.
>adds strength bonus to the attack
There's no attack roll, by AD&D raw it's a coup-de-grace and OP's character dies.
>There's no attack roll, by AD&D raw it's a coup-de-grace and OP's character dies.
>The greedy nobleman has the STR stat of 14.
>No need to roll dice to hit or determine how hard you hit the target, because you aren't fighting back. So that is 4+2, 6 damage per stab, and after 6 stabs he did 36 damage and you are bleeding out on the floor like a fool.
This is keystone cops level of comic stupidity. First storygamer is straight up wrong which isn't surprising since he plays games that are essentially 4 year olds shrieking "Bang, I shot you!" Sorry, but I prefer games with rules.
Second guy is at least on the right track and is probably a 5e Critical Roller. Each hit is indeed automatic and does max damage. That's 4 damage. 6 thrusts (over 6 minutes, lol) do 24 damage. The "14 strength" is of course idiocy since nobleman has been described as resembling Wil Weaton. But even more comically, AD&D STR 14 gives a damage bonus of... drum roll... zero! I assume later D&D editions give you damage bonus for such low scores but in real D&D your PC won't start with 20 STR and a+5 bonus.
Stop bumping your shitty thread with more obvious bait, OP. Your thread sucks, you got told, live with it.
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Hooray for OP! He should get a award! (Pic Related)
No body cares that the OP is trolling, dim watt. Stupid is as stupid does.
He's being called out for being a moron regardless.
>OP just necromanced his own thread again
Called it.
Nope. I'm not the OP I keep bumping troll threads to discourage future shit threads. Nobody gives a frick if OP is a Troll.
>OP I keep bumping troll threads to discourage future shit threads
That makes no sense. Go bump good threads instead, and the bad ones will roll off
>Go bump good threads instead, and the bad ones will roll off
Aren't you the one claiming the OP is bumping his own thread. How exactly will these "Troll threads" roll off if the Idiot Troll in question simply bumps his own thread?
>That makes no sense.
It will make sense to you eventually.
>Aren't you the one
This may surprise you, but no.
>explain to pc that dagger's 1d4 damage is calculated in a combat situation where the one being hit is trying to avoid damage
>roll 6d10
>lol
The dagger is poisoned and you die. Roll a new character.