My (pathfinder 2e) characters are dealing with an existential moon sized threat (the head of Atropus from the 3.5 book of elder evils) and want to create a "big, big, big bomb."
What multiplanar entities would be able to give them the knowledge to build a nuke?
One character already has an idea about heating a ball of adamantium within a force cage until it blows, I don't know if I can dissuade them at this point.
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Just True Creation in some anti-matter if you're going to go all moron about nukes in fantasy settings.
I'm not trying to give it to them, just wondering where they might legitimately acquire the knowledge.
They don't, as in the scientific principles or even the concept of "big big bombs" don't exist within the setting. Set them up for a quest to research a single use epic spell for a "big big bomb" effect.
>They don't, as in the scientific principles or even the concept of "big big bombs" don't exist within the setting.
Except they literally do you fricking nogames homosexual. Earth is a planet on the same material plane as Golarion, there's an entire Adventure Path about fighting literal-Rasputin and WW1-era Russian soldiers, the ruler of the fantasy russian kingdom of Irrisen is ACTUAL Princess Anastasia Romanov who escaped from Earth with Baba Yaga's help, and there's LITERALLY mechanics for fricking radiation damage and sickness.
https://www.aonprd.com/SpellDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Irradiate
https://www.aonprd.com/SpellDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Remove%20Radioactivity
If you want an actual nuclear bomb with radiation you're best off going to Numeria and seeing if you can find a semi functional starship engine to jury-rig into a dirty bomb, or getting lucky and finding an intact Extinction Wave Device which is basically a miniature Halo ring that emits special radiation killing everything with an INT score above 1 in a mile radius.
https://www.aonprd.com/EquipmentTechArtifactsDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Extinction%20Wave%20Device
You could also simply repeat what the Aboleths did to cause Earthfall and drop a giant fricking meteor on the planet, a big enough rock can be deadlier than an actual nuclear bombn
Huh, pathfinder really is absolute dogshit.
Numeria is itself just an homage to Expediion to Barrier Peaks which was written by Gygax over 40 years ago you fake grog
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expedition_to_the_Barrier_Peaks
>The setting doesn't have anything rules or anything to resemble a big bomb!
>actually, it has various
>wow this game is shit then!
lmao
They don't. They engage with the game based on the logic of the game and the setting. All attempts at recreating extreme conditions for an effect fail at best, and fail catastrophically at worst - injuring or killing the party. They go on adventures to secure macguffins that do what they want to do because that's the fricking game. The magic required to create a WMD is reserved for gods and as such they can not access this power without the cooperation of a god.
They use magic to solve the problem. Send them on a quest to get magic. Dissuade use of metagaming to solve problems.
You will never lose betting against pathfinder.
>You will never lose betting against pathfinder
really cause this board seems to think Paizo I'd a dying company and that Pathfinder 2e is a commercial failure
I meant in terms of content. I assume it's doing fine commercially considering it's the second most popular version of dnd. But in terms of content it is derivative, uninspired, and to an outsider- always two steps ahead in escalating the stupid. Someone asks me if some fringe stupid idea is a class in pathfinder? Sure is. Bet against it and win every time.
What would be the point of a dirty bomb if you're trying to blow up a moon?
if it's a living moon you could give it cancer or radiation sickness, OP says it's the head of some elder evil but I never read that book
Incorrect, it is an unloving moon. It is undead but on a scale it's power overcomes even divine magic.
In that case, consider that Tsar Bomba was detonated at half its designed yield (100 megaton designed, deployed at 50) and there were plans already drawn up for a 200 megaton version. They stopped pursuing it because there's a point where most of the blast just gets reflected off the planet into space. But if you were trying to atomize a small moon, it's certainly where I'd start.
Is it golarion? The other planets in its star system have advanced civilizations iirc. They would probably be interested in helping. If it’s generic 3e, Gond, Azuth, Lords or Hell, Demon Princes or Baernoloths will do.
OP, are you familiar with Groetus? Golarion renamed Atropus.
>give them the knowledge
Nethys
>to build
Torag
>a nuke
for an existential threat to Golarion? Anyone of the deities involved in imprisoning Rovagug. Bonus points for getting Asmodeus and Sarenrae to bury the hatchet long enough to work together - and indirectly, throught the party and their followers, because nothing short of an apocalypse is getting the goddess of mercy and compassion to cooperate with the god of tyranny and hegemony.
A bit more obscure, but consider:
>Shyka the Many
One of the Eldest, deity-level fey lord of time, knowledge, and continuity. Shyka would have access to future discoveries, and could teach them how.
>Atreia
Primordial of "kill it with fire." Would certainly have nuke-like powers at his disposal... unfortunately he's currently imprisoned in a gem. On the Plane of Fire. The salamanders who worship him would certainly appreciate and assist the party with any endeavor to free him, not to mention annihilating a giant undead moon.
>Yog-Sothoth
If you need to know something, and are willing to pay ANY cost...
Also, if the party is OK with kicking the can down the road, The Key and The Gate certainly has the power to move it somewhere else. Honestly surprised none of your party members thought of Yog; we play with VERY different people.
Seems like this calls for a long ass quest to the ancient dungeons to discover the secrets of the magical explody crystals of the Runelords. At least that's what it would entail in the actual game. Just "knowing" stuff that makes the threat irrelevant doesn't make for an interesting adventure.
Why are you asking us instead of the GM? He won't (or at least shouldn't) let you do anything that would require knowledge your characters don't have.
I am the GM, dummy.
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You've already lost this one.
>blow up the moon with a nuke
Nukes irl dont have nearly enough power to to destroy the moon, In si-fi the only bullshit bomb with that kind of power that claims to run on the same principles as a nuke is Halo's Nova bomb which literally destroys a moon and fries half a planet when the covenant accidentally detonate one in orbit.