>N64 is promised to be absolutely impossible on Mister for years
>Suddenly N64 core is progressing rapidly day by day and full games are working on Mister
What gives?
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just 2 more weeks and Mister emulation will be as good as computer emulation from 2010
This. A used Steam Deck is going to be a better return on value for probably the decade. There are usb adapters and bluetooth controllers for nearly every console controller imaginable. Compatibility is near or at 100%, and even higher than native hardware when you factor in romhacks.
cool. enjoy playing with input lag and coping with runahead
j rejected that bullshit.
I have all medals in expert in Star Fox 64, beat Sin and Punishment on the hardest difficulty, all on deck.
I also have original hardware and a CRT if it actually was an issue.
eat shit
>I have all medals in expert in Star Fox 64, beat Sin and Punishment on the hardest difficulty, all on deck.
Congratulations on playing a console game on a 7 inch screen. Just as the devs inteded!
A little triggered are we?
I'm not even hating on FPGA. One day, original hardware is going to either be dead or price prohibitive. You can get clean output out too. Lots of systems are handled really well, but the N64 isn't one of them, yet.
Unless you're a niche tech enthusiast, I think most people are better off with emulation, particularly those looking for support for 6th+ gen games.
I do agree you could just get a get a good pc, but the price point and convenience is hard to beat.
>A little triggered are we?
I am literally shaking...
No, and I don't care what you think. Stop shitting in these threads.
You should already have a good pc.
the only shit in this thread comes from you jealous mister-less homosexuals interrupting us fpgachads. go drink some retro-brite and die, post haste.
Based. Play real hardware for accuracy, and software emulation for enhancements like increased rendering resolution. There is no purpose for MiSTer to exist.
the point is that the "real" (ship of theseus) hardware will stop working one day and FPGA solutions preserve the experience as closely as possible in an open and accessible way
Well I guess in 90 years when my Sega Saturn doesn't work anymore, I'll hop on the MiSTer hype train.
This is why I support and tip FPGA devs. My favourite systems are Commodore computers which all have custom silicon which is also known to be flakey. I really love the c16 which is notoriously flakey both the CPU and TED chips, and people are already turning to alternate FPGA solutions to keep them alive. Same with the c64.
You paid more money for an inferior experience to the mister. I don't own either product, but you need to be quiet. Misters offer accuracy and low input lag. Steam deck's screen doesn't even support VRR, anyone looking for what the mister offers would rather pick a used office mini pc over your idea.
This is why these threads need to be purged of morons hating on it. You don't know what the device is even for and you're STILL talking. That's all you're telling everyone.
>low input lag.
Can i hook it to 240hz monitor and run it at actual 240hz? Or is that thing still stuck with 60hz output?
You can't even hook it to a 4K monitor.
Only an ultimate poorhomosexual would even consider the residual value of a toy like steamdeck.
How do I connect my Steam Deck to my crt as easily as the mister?
Try 1999
A computer from 1999 couldn’t even run FF6 or Yoshis Island at full speed without glitches. Begone Zoomer
They could run Mario 64 just fine, though.
Hardly
Nope, go be a tryhard back on Ganker
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UltraHLE
Oh yeah “just fine”
>PCem
Not my problem.
>300MHz
There were faster Pentium II's in 1999, sorry that ur poor.
Don't samegay you loser.
Never expected to see Ocarina running so early.
>What gives?
Accuracy.
When's the core going to get dithering? There's so much banding right now
It's got dithering now
MiSTer chads just keep winning.
Is it worth getting a mister if all you wanna play is arcade games on a crt?
considering the cost of arcade PCB
yes?
This is the question I have. I could give a frick about emulating game consoles, as I have them all modded/flashcarts. MAME sucks and my pc monitor isn't a CRT. Old computers would be cool too.
That is what I bought one for. It just works. The only problem is that it supports less games than mame but more are being added all the time.
>Is it worth getting a mister if all you wanna play is arcade games on a crt?
Not at all. Just run Mame on a computer and hook up a CRT screen. You can do that on an old computer.
Mister is for people who:
A). Have money to burn on those fully loaded pre-built Mister boxes that cost hundreds of dollars. ($500 to $600 or more)
Or
B.) enjoy tinkering with electronics and will take the cheaper route by building a Mister box themselves (but will still cost $200 to $300 dollars To do it)
>enjoy tinkering with electronics
Wait, there are people on this board who don't enjoy that and just want to plug in Retroarch like it's Netflix or something?
I would agree
However MAME literally sucks donkeys dick
Agree that mame is a Black person-rigged pile of shit.
That's exactly what I got it for. I have real hardware for basically every console worth owning so there was no point in picking it up for anything but arcade. I got it because I HATE mame.
If you already have another device for emulating then no. Pi crap has long since had analog output to CRTs, and there's a million different devices for taking HDMI signals and putting them on the same.
A Wii also fills the same niche just fine.
There's displaying on a CRT, and there's syncronised raster. They aren't the same thing.
Considering I wanted to get an MVS and then calculating the price of the games, multi-carts, or that NeoSD cart, the MiSTer is a steal. Adding onto that, I also don't have to go through the hassle of getting a supergun setup for Super Turbo either or any of the CPS games. We recently got a bunch of the Taito games too so I'm playing games I never knew existed like In The Hunt and Ninja Baseball.
genuine question, is the neo geo core really 1:1 with real hardware?
I was told the genesis core was cycle accurate but now it isn't when this new one was released?
How about SNES and NES? GB, GBC, GBA?
It's really hard to find proper accuracy data/comparisons. People just keep throwing out buzz words like "perfect" but I'm not seeing any actual empirical data to back it up.
The average joe cannot pick out a pixel or frame discrepancy mid-gameplay. What they're really content with is the fact that there is no input delay and the game is behaving as it should on real hardware until someone points out there is something wrong.
>I was told the genesis core was cycle accurate but now it isn't when this new one was released?
What was 1:1 accurate was the sound because it was tested against MDFourier. There are some other cores with MDFourier tests as well if you're into sound analysis. Also, the majority of the cores are being developed by hobby people who have no financial stake and I wouldn't expect any advancements in accuracy as frequently. The way MiSTer and any FPGA solution works is that they are completely translating circuit functions into digital code which is then used to reconfigure the FPGA itself. This is extremely time consuming and the results will always vary.
If you're legitimately concerned about the accuracy of the current cores and cannot pick out discrepancies on software emulators, then you won't be able to tell on an FPGA emulator. You will benefit from the lack of input delay though.
>The average joe cannot pick out a pixel or frame discrepancy mid-gameplay.
Do you think this is marketed towards the average joe?
It's not marketed to anyone, mister is a free software project.
If I can't tell the difference then it's perfect.
Neogeo is a full decap job which recently had some detailed timing fixes.
iirc, "cycle accurate" is still indistinguishable from real hard. the difference is how they come to that result or something?
im not an exprt so i dunno why i even post
>paying $600 on an emulation box
I could build a gaming PC for about $800 & it would be more powerful than a MiSTer.
PC Master Race > MiSTer Chuds
It's literally a placebo machine. Every console it can play at full speed has PC emulation that's so good it's indistinguishable from the real console. Try emulating N64 games on Ares and you'll see there's no reason to have an FPGA device
i think all that gaming with run ahead frames has fricked up your perception
Agreed. Emulation on a gaming PC works smoothly. The parts are way more advanced than any parts the MiSTer could muster.
Shilling your overpriced meme machine won't fool the PC Master Race.
most people with money to "waste" on a mister prob have a pc anon
also you need a pc to set it up so...
Yeah, but that doesn't mean they own a gaming PC. For example I could easily buy a $100 refurbished PC & set up a MiSTer with it. Point being it's not expensive to own a PC, but it is expensive to buy parts to build a Gaming PC to run games like RE2 Remake or GTAV.
Actually the poors are more likely to buy a MiSTer than to own a Gaming PC & multiple consoles(including console minis). Unfortunately for you, I do own a Gaming PC & multiple consoles.
Unfortunately for you, I also own a gaming PC, multiple consoles AND a MiSTer. The idea that a 600 gorillion shekel system that requires technical knowledge to run being the only system someone owns is moronic. Just stop being poor.
There's zero reason to own a MiSTer if you own a Gaming PC & multiple consoles. Stop shilling, nobody is stupid enough to buy a useless emulation box.
to be fair, an excellent emulation machine can be much cheaper than a general gaming pc, unless you're trying to emulate ps360. for anything older, a cheap quad core or even dual core with a high clock speed is just as good as an 8-core. you only need 4gb ram for 6th gen, older arcade emulation. you may not need a graphics card at all, or you could get some $20 ancient ati card if you have no igpu or you want vga output without an adapter. I'm sure you could get a similar or less price than a mister for great pc emulation. Even a modest new CPU might be overkill. My 2012 machine can do 90% of the emulation at full speed that my 2018 machine does. With CRT or VRR monitor it's basically the same experience. If you're really getting that office PC, at most $100 of parts can make it pretty good for emulation.
This is not to throw shade on the mister. It's just not that cost effective.
Comparing it to a gaming pc isn't really fair. it's not like the mister can play current year pc games or do much else that a pc can.
I’m interested in a small dedicated low power all-in-one device. If it can do Saturn better than shit-tier yabause or mednaffe I’d be interested.
I think Saturn will be the killer app for MiSTer. Lots of obscure JP only games that will be nice to have a second look at.
All the power in the world cannot fix the shitty audio/video output hardware. PCs might be able to emulate with perfect accuracy internally, but they are incapable of bringing that accuracy into the real world.
What compels him to do this
I hate this homosexual homosexual and his gay nasally voice so much.
What a fricking loser with all that shilling, honestly.
>caring about how redditors shit up their own site
The absolute state of /vr/
Good thing I don't care about what frogposters think
>first the retron
>then the raspberry pi
>now mister
When's the next emulation shitbox people overpay for forcing them to cope by lying about how amazing it is on every retro gaming discussion forum?
you really think people are lying?
There's some delusional posters but this is really over the top
FPGA tech is pretty cool. I'm sorry if you don't see how it benefits retro vidya, and how it'll be important specially on the next few decades and beyond.
Wake me in a few decades then
>I'm sorry if you don't see how it benefits retro vidya
it will benefit retro gaming when i can buy an fpga nes. n64, and or snes console for sub 50 dollars. until then it's for people with money to burn on tech that will become much cheaper in the future
it already does that
>an fpga nes. n64, and or snes console
Why do you need one of each instead of all in one?
he wants to continue using carts so he continue pretending he didnt waste thousands of dollars on useless plastic
Why not just buy an N64 console and a flashcart?
I don't have a mister but if you want to play N64 and Saturn on a CRT then a mister is cheaper than buying both consoles + flashcarts
whats with the weird anti mister fudd every thread
its not 600 dollars and it works a hell of a lot smoother than regular emulators especially if you have a crt
The poors get so mad about being poor. That's why they always make it about money.
What's with the anti emulator fudd every thread?
its annoying because they claim its just like the real thing and its not
its not identical. I want to make homebrew that changes the background colours to create a copper style gradient so just a "trust me bro" is not good enough for me, any tiny difference in timing will make the colour effect happen in the wrong place.
A DE-10 nano only costs like $200, that's less than a single flashcart. You could have a mister for the cost of a single modded (mainstream) console with flashcart. A neogeo with flashcart is going to be well past $1K and a Mister is now absolutely identical to a neogeo hardware.
A modded wii is like $30 if you shop around, and probably 99% as accurate as this thing, plus plays the core n64 games, plus Gamecube and Wii games. If you're really going to commit to the hobby, I don't see why you'd choose this thing over real hardware.
Wiis are amazing but the VC N64 emulator can't do 240p. There's homebrew emulators but compatibility isn't as good. Furthermore, Saturn emulation on Wii is useless at the moment (though, since it can do full speed 32X emulation, it's not an impossibility).
A modded wii is literally the most ghetto emu option available, absolute trash. Anyone comparing a wii to a mister has absolutely no idea whatsoever.
god I love my mister. these sour grapes gays just dont know
Translation:
>Why won't these Anti-MiSTer Chads buy our $600 emubox? 🙁
Answer: We got better options & we're not falling for your bullshit.
what the frick do i care if you buy it or not? its just annoying to see the dumb anti-propaganda
>what gives
It's not accurate and the FPGA part of the FPGA does nothing. It's little different from playing on a Raspberry Pi at that point, since the point of the DE-10 is that it's an FPGA.
There is a legit N64 core that actually programs the FPGA to emulate an N64, that is the emulator that will never playably run N64 games. The reason it is being made is because of the chance that in the future, someone else will make a cheap FPGA better than the DE-10.
I can't understand why anyone would buy a MiSTer for $920 when you could just use my stepdad's old office pc FOR FREE.
I don't have a step-dad tho, and my real dead has no old office pc
Oh wait you said "MY" step-dad. Where is he at? I'll pay him a visit
Be sure to post this every thread and raise the number each time
when I am at my pc later I am going to edit the shekel comic strip and have the kid say "dad can I have $200 for a mister" and the israelite say " $300 for a mister? why should I give you $600 for a mister? $1200 is too much to play old games" because making memes is all piece shits pc is good for today
lol fricking gays saying to emulate on pc. pc is hands down the worse fricking way to emulate. if I was unable to use my mister I'd just use my anbernic 353p. it may not be as accurate as the shit my pc can run, but its a thousand times more enjoyable than a fricking pc.
PC is the superior way to emulate. We got more console options to emulate too, unlike the MiSTer.
its shit
Nope. You can shill your FPGA trash all you want, but the MiSTer will never outperform a Gaming PC.
pls stop shilling gaming pc, nobody want them any more after crypto and chip shortage fiasco plus zero good games have come out on pc in last 10 years and it emulation is laggy choppy cacka
Nta, but there's no way to shill PC's when there's many different brands behind it & you could build one yourself. In fact it's more fun to build one & pick out the coolest looking case. I was fricking done with consoles when I built mine.
>I was fricking done with consoles
And yet you still post on a board where 90% of the discussion is console games.
Yes & I still own many consoles. But I skipped out on the newer consoles since the designs of the new consoles will never be cooler than the design of the Dreamcast or Sega Genesis. Which is precisely why I built my own PC.
It outperforms it on efficiency you can have a core with extraordinary low level accuracy that wouldn't even run well on the best modern cpu, for 5 watts because of the nature of how fpga's work, it's also easier for developers to produce extremely accurate cores on an fpga so you get many more of them
doing the same in softwre requires a lot of jumping through hoops and efficiency compromises you have to try to extrapolate how a clock will play out rather than letting it do so naturally
my guess would be someone actually qualified decided to start working on a core for it? you don't get progress unless someone actively works on it
is the de-10 nano ever going to drop in price?
kind of crazy people used to get these for a lot cheaper and since mister is only getting better, they're getting insane value out of their investment
There are cheaper options like the Sidi, which is basically a budget MIST. But a DE-10 nano was only $225 last time I looked cheaper for academic. Just get some dickhead with a student card to order one for you.
The DE-10 is sold at a loss because of a subsidy provided by Intel. It will never drop in price, it's already cheap.
I don’t care I run batocera on an AMD APU mini PC for a third of the price and it goes up to Wii U easily
>third of the price
you paid $77 for your pc??
lol you are paying 100 times more per hour gaming on electricity
>Splatterhouse (arcade) core announced by Jotego
Oh yeah, it's comfy spooky time.
I can play that on my PC, PS4, PS3, Xbox 360 & Nintendo Switch right now. Lol
with input lag
Not noticeable, very non-existent, especially with the PC version.
Exactly. I downloaded the PC version & it runs fine. Heck even MAME handles it perfectly. I had no idea that it exists on the PS4.
Yeah, I bought it not too long ago on the PS4 and it plays perfectly. So I got at least 7 versions of Splatterhouse. Two of them are unlockable via PS3/Xbox 360. Two of them are digital via PS4/MAME and 5 of them are physical(which includes the unlockables) via PC, Xbox 360, PS3 & the Switch. No need for me to own the inferior PC Engine/Turbo Grafx 16 versions.
Hell yeah, wish someone would make uncensored versions of the sequels to make them align with the gore in arcades.
I have a mister, I have consoles, I have emulators. Mister on a CRT is undeniably better. Yes, you can perceive the lag differences, no emulation isn't perfect by any stretch, I run into games all the time that aren't working perfectly. Yes, most of the time I'm playing on the original console BUT mister is undeniably a better experience. I've been trying to 1cc final fight (I know a meme...) for years now and I always get farther on mister than I do with any of the emulated versions. They feel different.
just play Cody or Haggard instead of Guy
literally the worst character in the game in every effective metric
Pr4m0d has poor social skills.
Elaborate
Another case of silly drama involving mister-devel guys and twitter arcade game fans throwing shit at each other and screaming some random crap about politics. Pr4m0d chose to publicly join the second camp in this holy war.
Got any links? That all sounds very amusing.
It's mostly on X, but pr4m0d's account is currently protected, so you can't read his tweets. He did actually remove his cores from the official repository and move them to atrac17's repository of arcade machine cores. So there's currently three big repositories you have to watch: the official one, Jotego's JTBIN and atrac17's Coin-Op Collection.
I found it all thanks, bunch of childish shit as expected. Luckily update_all grabs everything.
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Too long; didn't read.
>has words in the post
>UUUUGH TOO LONG: DIDN'T READ
Big Saturn update today, making good progress
Funny because while you wait to play the Sega Saturn on a MiSTer, I can play mine on actual hardware on my CRT or HDTV, modded and all.
Very cool!
Thanks
Happy for you bro.
but can you have sex with a girls?
>but can you have sex with a girls?
u think you're so fugging cool, but just you wait Mister will drop a girl sex core and then whom'll be laughing!
itwillbeme
PC98 core is already out I think
It is an unusable beta release and the author stopped working on it and moved on to fm towns. Mister sucks for Japanese PCs.
lol $600 when you can just get original hardware so much cheaper
Already did & I'm currently in a relationship. But that has nothing to do with my Sega Saturn.
Unless it's decapped, it's just re-implementing software emulators in hardware, so I wouldn't expect mister to be unable to do anything that PC emulators can already do.
I don’t think you know how fogs works you can’t just reimplement whatever a software emulator does you goof troop. Maybe do research
Fairly stupid take, but if it keeps you away from the community you can have it.
Can anyone with a jotego key share? I want to play simpsons 🙁
Why would I spend $300 for this when I could spend over $1000 for the original consoles, flash cartridges, and hdmi mods?
>N64 is promised to be absolutely impossible on Mister for years
Sauce?
https://mister-devel.github.io/MkDocs_MiSTer/basics/faq/#when-is-an-n64-core-coming
>promised to be absolutely impossible
>Probably never
Why do zoom zooms have such a hard to understanding what words mean?
I can't believe the CEO of Mister said it was impossible and then built a core the next day. This is an outrage!
I'm more outraged he raised the price to $600
The old bundle that was $200 and included an official controller and carry case was good value but he just had to get greedy.
Everyone said SuperFX on SD2SNES was unlikely if not impossible but all it takes is some hero wizard to come along and prove everyone wrong
>Everyone is stupid
Only 99.999% accurate
anyone know if the saturn core has working SNAC yet?
HELLO ALLOW ME TO INTRODUCE MYSELF MY NAME IS MISTER MISTER AND MY PROFITS ARE DOWN, I WILL BE INCREASING THE PRICE OF THE MISTER APPLIANCE TO $1000 STARTING IMMEDIATELY DUE TO INFLATION.
I'd still pay it. especially now that the genesis core has become even more 100% identical to actual hardware than it already was.
Gee MiSTer, I'd much rather spend $1000 on anything other than MiSTer.
For economics, let's compare just one console: NeoGeo AES. NeoGeo core on Mister recently added some timing tweaks which improved accuracy on MIST, making this decapped core absolutely perfect. To play Neogeo on Mister will cost you $300 for a DE-10 nano, OTG hub, RAM and an 8bitdo Neogeo pad.
For comparison, just the flashcart for a Neogeo costs 560 euro. Then you need an AES which are fetching $1000 for a decent example.
So just from this single purchase you are miles ahead, the rest of Mister is free after that.
I don't know about the rest of you guys, but I'm sold. I was holding out for 100% accuracy, but now that misters accuracy level is over 9k% I don't see any point in not just joining the cult and drinking the koolaid. Besides, upon attaining 9001% accuracy mister magically destroyed every neo geo in the world except AESs sold on ebay for $1k. So I need something now that all my systems are gone. Don't bother check your systems. Surely they are gone. The child profit speaks only the truth. Besides, even if I managed to put together a system that's not emulation there's no guarantee how long I'd be able to use it. It seems hardly a day goes by without misters greater than 100% accuracy becoming even more accurate. What will happen when it archives a gazillion % accuracy? Maybe it won't be content to just erasing original hardware from existence and will do the same to me. It's just not worth the risk.
why are you like this
Because it's impossible to have a serious conversation with a brainwashed cult member.
>The child profit speaks only the truth.
I hole-hardedly agree, but allow me to play doubles advocate here for a moment. For all intensive purposes I think you are wrong. In an age where false morals are a diamond dozen, true virtues are a blessing in the skies. We often put our false morality on a petal stool like a bunch of pre-Madonnas, but you all seem to be taking something very valuable for granite. So I ask of you to mustard up all the strength you can because it is a doggy dog world out there. Although there is some merit to what you are saying it seems like you have a huge ship on your shoulder. In your argument you seem to throw everything in but the kids Nsync, and even though you are having a feel day with this I am here to bring you back into reality. I have a sick sense when it comes to these types of things. It is almost spooky, because I cannot turn a blonde eye to these glaring flaws in your rhetoric. I have zero taller ants when it comes to people spouting out hate in the name of moral righteousness. You just need to remember what comes around is all around, and when supply and command fails you will be the first to go. Make my words, when you get down to brass stacks it doesn’t take rocket appliances to get two birds stoned at once. It’s clear who makes the pants in this relationship, and sometimes you just have to swallow your prize and accept the facts. You might have to come to this conclusion through denial and error but I swear on my mother’s mating name that when you put the petal to the medal you will pass with flying carpets like it’s a peach of cake.
>Then you need an AES which are fetching $1000 for a decent example
Why the frick would you buy one of those when an MVS is like 50 bucks?
$50 MVS?
basic single slot MVS boards are dirt cheap. Maybe not quite $50 though and you still need the appropriate power source and a supergun for video output, controller handling etc
Plus still have to pay 600 for the flashcart.
Well it seems the price has gone up a bit since I last bought mine, they're now closer to 70 bucks with shipping.
But yes. You can indeed get an MVS board, mostly MV1ACH but other variants do pop up, for very very cheap on AliExpress.
Some sellers even have legit games but you gotta be more careful when buying those. Between 20 and 50 plus shipping per game.
In total I paid less than 200 for an MVS plus six legit games and a supergun, all from AliExpress back in 2021.
or you can just download the whole romset for $0 and learn how to use MAME or FBA you peahead
How is he able to get this to work? What compromises is he making, specifically?
https://imgur.com/a/GigOMNE
So the CPU won't be accurate to real hardware but speed will be made up for by using MiSter's DDR3. He's already using a lot of the FPGA's logic and that is before stuff like the VI filters (dithering, antialiasing, horizontal blend etc etc) have been added, he could run out of room then have to start cutting things back but he isnt quite at that stage yet. So the way I read it is dont expect 100% compatability and don't be surprised if some games can't hit their original framerates.
Thanks. Even if it's not completely accurate it's neat to have n64 as an option on Mister at all.
It's probably fair he's building this core for future affordable FPGA platforms, and Mister is good enough for MVP/prototype of what will be a long road.
What's a MiSTer anyways and how does it differ from PC emulation to justify buying it? I'm not trolling, just legitimately out of touch on this...
MiSTer is a bunch of software that runs on an FPGA. In theory it results in a more accurate experience of a given machine than PC emulation due to it being a recreation of the hardware as opposed to a translation with numerous layers of software in between. An FPGA can avoid all the issues and workarounds of an emulator, they consume less power and come in a smaller package. They also make poor people super fricking mad.
>poor
its a particularly dumb strain of fomo. they have to desperately believe their retroarch freeware bullshit is is as good as it gets.
I don't get why it makes people seethe. I don't necessarily think it's better (I don't even have one) but it's certainly convenient and it's as future-proof as long as FPGA boards are still being produced. Side event setups at tournaments like EVO run on MiSTer boxes over even Superguns. You have a bunch of cores in one device so you don't have to change hardware around and it'll work the same way years and years from now while desktop operating systems get more and more complex and may introduce breaking changes that will rely on someone in the future addressing them. Whereas, again, the work on these cores is already being done now.
It's definitely because of that one homosexual who kept spamming this shit with the same image. I'll admit I stalled on a mister because of that guy.
That's me and I will continue to cull the herd of weaklings like you.
You know those famiclone consoles from China that run a Nintendo-On-A-Chip?
It's exactly like that. But thanks to fancy FPGA technology you can get now get software updates on this shit to fix the broken stuff instead of just dealing with it.
Theoretically an FPGA system can be more accurate than software emulation due to not having to deal with OS overhead, latency and various x86 hardware quirks. But in practice they're far from perfect which is why they get software updates in the first place.
I can honestly tell you straight up: MiSTer is not for you. Besides the obvious implication that you just want to play some marios, the fact that you can't even do the most basic reasearch on the subject and demand to be spoonfed shows you will only be a net negative to the project.
The last thing MiSTer project needs is another hungry mouth to feed while driving up the price of DE10 boards. I shudder to think how it's going to be when Mario64 lands.
>I used MiSTer before it was cool!
lmao, could you be any more transparent about your real goals
please dont respond to falsegaygers
what a sour sack, jesus, lighten up mate.
The price of the MiSTer simply isn't worth it. It's not like it's able to emulate Dreamcast, PS2, Gamecube & Xbox.
implying i wanna play that trash frick you kys
It's not trash, plenty of great games came from 6th gen. Keep seething over the fact that my PC can emulate those consoles & your little box can't.
Those are /vr/ consoles.
Not a goalpost, it exposes how worthless the MiSTer actually is.
Autistic screeching is not an argument.
Yet it's you MiSTer shills doing the screeching. Lol
You are one sad fellow. I honestly feel bad for you and hope that one day you are living a life where $300 isn't an unattainable goal.
have fun with frames runahead. youll never be a woman.
I haveno desire to be a "woman". I only desire to emulate all consoless on my PC. Can't do that with the under-powered, severely limited MiSTer.
Indeed.
$300 is easy to obtain because unlike you, I got a job. Hence how I was able to build my custom PC that can emulate most consoles.
What's moronic is paying $500 or $600 on an under powered emulation box that resembles a Power Supply Unit.
Nice anon, taking on the mister troony's by yourself can be tough. Keep your chin up and your butthole puckered, these homosexuals are raging hard.
>FF7 reaction image
antishills confirmed for shit taste
>Not a goalpost
immediately moves the goal post again, le sigh moron anon
>Those are /vr/ consoles.
anti-mistergays proving themselves to be the cancer killing this board once again
No, the cancer is you MiSTer shills being dumb enough to think it's a good idea to waste $600 on a device that emulates old game consoles. I could build a PC for the same price & still play classic games on an emulator.
>waste $600
I spend that per week on sushi.
You overpaid for Sushi then.
Yes. The right components built into the PC can & will run games more accurately. They don't call us the PC Master Race for nothing.
>You overpaid for Sushi then.
its not the Sushi, it's the plate
Damn, if only I liked fish
forget the fish, the most deliscious parts require a taste for flowers
Is that a boy? I've seen some flat XX chests but not that flat and 18+
Can you play gate level accurate NeoGeo and Megadrive emulation on your PC? How about correct DMA timings and CPU wait states on CPS1 and CP2 games and other arcade cores. All with zero input or audio latency. Your PC can do that right?
what does any of this nerd shit have to do with playing video games
It has everything to do with playing videogames you dimwit. You probably still use zsnes as you think it just fine lol.
It output the consoles originall refresh rate, whatever that may be. So no, you aren't stuck with a straight 60hz output.
It's obvious what the problems with ZSNES are if you just start playing kirby. if you have to read a book on digital circuits to know what's wrong with neo geo emulation, there's nothing wrong with it.
NeoGeo software emulation doesn't even run at the correct speed, let alone display all the little quirks of original hardware like the FPGA core does. Stop commenting on things that you are cleuless about.
like...?
I could spend my time to write it all out and you would tell me none of it matters, you're just here to shit on MiSter, not actually engage in good faith. Take care now!
it's amazing how mistergays crumble when you just ask them what's supposedly so good about the snake oil.
one night in /vr/ and the tough guys tumble
Ok, so I already mentioned the lack of wait states and DMA access meanig the games run at the wrong speed, it also means when you get slowdown software emulation doesn't handle it accurately. Other shit is minor but still shows the difference, flickering pixels in stage backgrounds on Matrimelee, Super Sidekicks 4 and other many other games that don't show in MAME or FBN. Junk pixels in the overscan or in stage transitions or when you get sprite overload in multiple games that again don't show in software emulation. Sofware emulation is ok for the casual player (you) who doesn't really know or care how real hardware should run or look, but if you do care then MiSTer is demonstrably superior.
I can live with not having offscreen graphical artifacts, but thanks anyway for providing some examples of inaccuracy.
The mister is great for its I/O and size. If you’re interested in it that is the primary benefit. The accuracy is a bonus but anything past Genesis/Snes or greater cuts corners so it isn’t anymore accurate than Emulation. The I/O is pretty amazing though
>I/O
Referring to display output or something else?
All of the I/o and modularity. It’s a cool little device
>what does nerd shit have to with videogames
unbelievable
Can you play the most basic arcade games like midnight resistance? How about warioware twisted or boktai the sun is in your hand on gba?
>Can you play the most basic arcade games like midnight resistance?
yes
who's spending $600?
I paid 285 euros for my full setup three years ago and although prices have gone up since no way have they doubled, surely? I think people keep referring to that overpriced one on Misteraddons with the machined aluminium case and use that as 'proof' of how expensive it is.
Who would want a wheezy beige box plugged into their vidya setup? Virgin tier cringe.
That's okay, MiSTer is for playing /vr/ games.
>le strawman goalpost mover
It looks good on my CRT simple as
Not Mister, but anyone seen this? Apparently some company called Tatsuju had an FPGA Saturn demoing at Tokyo Game Show
https://game.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/1533163.html
Also looks Retron are dipping their toes into the FPGA pool
I'm definitely more likely to buy the Retron FPGA than this piece of trash this anon is shilling --->
That's good, Retron is made for consumers like yourself.
Well if it's anything like their previous Retron 5 console, they'll just be repackaging existing cores against their open source licence T&Cs.
No one cares what you spend your money on, telling us how moronic you are isn't going to change that.
That's badass. I wish them luck though, I feel like after openFPGA became a thing, the idea of a "single-console FPGA device" got much more niche.
I can see the appeal, for people who may like to use original game media. Minis were also reasonably successful so there's a mainstream nostalgia market that mister would not appeal to.
Wow an FPGA system that looks like a console instead of a naked stack I have to buy RAM for and yank out of the wall to turn off, where will technology bring us next
It’s just a MiSTer in a Saturn case running it’s core, check the small print.
Did they take a shortcut by using the leaked VHDL like Ultra HLE did back in the day?
Original hardware is never going to get cheaper, it is only going to increase in price as these systems fail and are lost or destroyed over time. For instance 15 million Ford model T cars were built yet here we are 100 years later where they are only kept running through enthusiasts and reproduction parts, with original parts being extremely scarce and valuable.
The same will happen with consumer electronics which is already being hoarded and failing just a few decades in. In time everyone will be thankful that projects like Mister exist to reproduce these systems and their components to a high accuracy.
>projects like Mister exist to reproduce these systems and their components to a high accuracy.
which software emulators already do.
i remember having to mess with frame runahead back on my n64... not at all.
You clearly are a fool. This is a prime example of keeping a classic platform alive with FPGA.
https://hackaday.io/project/11460-fpgated
i have bought all of the major systems since 1989 but i rather have a clean mister setup than a recreation of the AVGN gaming room in my home.
The use case where FPGA makes a lot of sense is arcade games.
With more and more PCB hoarders spending small fortunes on hoarding a bunch of circuit boards they will never use, because they own just one or two cabs and swapping that shit in and out is exhausting, scarcity and landfills filled with hoarder's treasrure vaults of old pcb the only way to get a REAL frame perfect arcade exerpience will be some homie putting a FPGA jamma box into his astro city cab.
Man I just love being able to play my old vidyas from a tiny silent box with a snappy interface, that plugs straight into my old CRT and just werks. I also love that it plugs into my old Amiga monitor and just werks. I also love that it plugs into any TV and that it works with any controller that I plug in. Shit's cash.
The N64s verilog leaked out in the 90s. Wouldn't surprise me if he's copy/pasting or at least heavily referencing it.
Nah, he's on discord going through the development, it's clear that leaked stuff isn't beign referenced.
sure thing, pal. He's totally not learning from it then pretending to do independent research.
What would it take for MiSTeR to move to different hardware? It seems like the two things holding the project back is the fact that the chip it uses has shaky availability and the entire project could really use a boost in power. Saturn and N64 would be far easier and people could potentially look to PS2/GCN which I think would sell far more people on FPGA
You're an idiot.
MARS is trying to do this, but that ACTUALLY costs what the anti-MiSTer shills say a MiSTer costs.
if it can ACTUALLY fix platforms with broken emulation like N64 and higher, then it might be worth something.
That's the difference with FPGA devs, they are actually digital hardware guys. It's one thing to Black person-rig a shitshow like mame, it's another thing altogether to implement HDL implementations as what you are trying to achieve naturally translates.
>It's one thing to Black person-rig a shitshow like mame...
That's what MiSTer cores are when you go beyond 2D platforms. Hence why a better FPGA is desirable.
So go buy one and start developing cores for it
https://www.digikey.co.uk/en/products/detail/efinix-inc/TI180J484C-DK/20524929
I don't know VHDL. But cheers to anyone who tries.
3D is when games got gay. No thanks.
Lack of knowledge on those 3D systems is a far bigger hurdle to get over than the size of the FPGA. The PS1 core dev said just to get the MDEC’s output accurate to real hardware would take at least six months of work, so had no desire to take it on. A better FPGA would help in some areas but you shouldn’t expect 3d systems to ever be as accurate as the 2d stuff or be significantly better than software emulation.
>you shouldn’t expect 3d systems to ever be as accurate as the 2d stuff or be significantly better than software emulation.
Why? It is all open source. If the Ps1 guy doesn't feel like doing the MDEC someone else will eventually. because the chips are done seperately there is no worrying about improving one thing breaking something else, if everything except the MDEC is implemented well and then the MDEC implementation improves it is just a straight upgrade.
Improved MDEC emulation wouldn’t require a better FPGA and would be implemented in software too so you it still wouldn’t be significantly better. The MDEC was just an example, all parts of the PS1 hardware could do with the same attention. Having more bram and being able to get away from using DDR3 would be of more benefit than a larger FPGA, would mean the GPU could run at the correct speed for starters.
>all parts of the PS1 hardware could do with the same attention.
There is no reason to assume they won't all get it over time. Because people can just work for a bit on one thing at a time once a functional core exists there is no reason not to think that people will decide to improve small components of cores.
And it still won’t be as accurate as the 2D stuff, the consoles are too complex and less well suited to running on an FPGA.
>things will get better
>no they will not
I'm glad we had this talk anon!
That’s not what I said at all but whatever.
What the frick's the point of using an FPGA console if it's not going to achieve 100% accuracy? Might as well save some money and just emulate through software.
Ok then, go ahead.
I already do. I don't have the money for a MiSTER and if I did I'd have more important things to spend it on.
Isn't having options beautiful? sure, some decisions other people made don't align with what you would personally do, but you have the power to do whatever you want and nobody can do anything about it. I love options. Now just look at modern console babbies. They have to conform with whatever console they bought unless they can afford anything.
Hey that's great that you can enjoy your life your way!
It's almost as though systems it can emulate perfectly were a priority and there's nothing they can do about the fact that the only affordable FPGA, the DE-10, is basically one of a kind and there's a limit to its processing abilities. Clearly anyone looking for an all in one emulation box would have zero use for a simple system that perfectly emulates certain systems but only emulates others okay.
So why even bother developing cores for systems the DE-10 doesn't have the processing power for? I can get half-assed N64 emulation out of an old PC or even a fricking Wii.
https://imgur.com/a/GigOMNE
tl;dr: he's developing a fully accurate CPU, then reducing it down to make games run at full speed on Mister. The idea is that when a more powerful FPGA board is affordable/accessible, there will be a fully accurate N64 core ready to go. In the meantime there will be a very playable N64 core to mess around with. According to him, even with the workarounds the CPU will still be more accurate than current software emulators.
That's actually pretty solid reasoning. The one thing I'd be concerned about is if that next FPGA would be backwards compatible with the DE-10 or at least easy to port DE-10 software to.
>Oh come on, Mister is much more accurate than N64 on Wii.
Fair point.
>And you're still avoiding what I just said. You buy it for accurate emulation on some systems and okay emulation on others. If you're only interested in accurate emulation then, I dunno, maybe you just ignore stuff like N64.
Is there anything that the MiSTER can emulate more accurately than a secondhand PC? You can get "accurate emulation on some systems and okay emulation on others" with a PC, so I wonder if there's anything the MiSTER can do to justify the premium.
Mister builds on MIST which builds on minimig, as well as a ton of other projects. Once a device is described in HDL it is done.
>$300
>premium
Friend you are thinking purely in context of playing games, feel free to go about your life as if it did not exist.
Well what else can you do with a MiSTER besides play games?
>Not without significant investments in a good computer.
How significant are we talking? What would you define as a "modern mid-level gaming PC"?
I run the most accurate emulators for 2D consoles, Mednafen for Saturn/ PS1 and N64 Parallel plugins on an eight year old Skylake dual core i3 and a gtx 950. You could run them all on less too as I still have enough overhead for frame delay, run ahead, crt shaders, hard gpu sync, nvidia low latency mode, 1000hz controller polling etc etc. In other words, no you dont need a modern mid level gaming pc to run the best available software emulators. And a machine of that spec will also be good enough to play thousands of steam adn other PC games. But you won't be running gate level accurate cores like the miSTer has for NeoGeo or Megadrive, but to most people that won't matter, softtware is good enough for them which is fine.
However I still prefer playing on MiSTer for the systems it supports for the advantages that FPGA's offer and the general ease of use.
How well does Higan run for you on that setup?
No problem, there’s more than enough single thread performance on Slylake for that stuff. Although Higan kinda became redundant once bsnes was restarted, there’s no reason to use it.
True, I meant run ahead for the 2d systems only, thanks for the correction. I never found the stand alone of Mednafen to be too laggy when set up with the mednaffe frontend, found it to very playable. The MiSTer PS1 core has it’s GPU based on Duckstation and some of it’s MDEC, but the core doesn’t have as much black crush or posterization that Duckstation has in it’s FMV’s or backgrounds generated by it. It’s still better on the whole than software emulators and no one with a clue thinks it’s perfect, the dev has said exactly where it falls short, which was always going to be the case with getting it run on the DE-10.
got a skylake i5 and higan doesnt even use 20% of my resources, it also doesnt provide smooth stutterless scrolling without adding v-tearing or audio glitches. same for mesen and mednafen.
mister however can somehow get my 42" panasonic plasma to run at the native refresh rate of every console I've tried so far using vsync_ adjust=2 without v-tearing or audio glitches, something no emulator I've ever tried has been able to do.
Mister just werx. With software emulation you have to spend a month tuning the config then tune the runahead for every game.
I have a skylake i7. You do not have enough capacity to runahead PS1/Saturn. And mednafen has so much input lag there's no system out there that can runahead to the point it's playable like real hardware.
Mister has a dogshit PS1 core based on duckstation so don't think I'm shilling here. I just don't get people who are either wilfully lying or deluded enough to believe their poor man's emulation setup is somehow "perfect."
Emulators have been getting worse, not better, because all the talent retired a long time ago and now we just have autists grinding shitheap features that make everything run worse. Every time I be lazy and fire up an emulator it reminds me why I keep real hardware around.
>Emulators have been getting worse, not better, because all the talent retired a long time ago
What are you basing this on exactly?
What's wrong with Duckstation? Are there better PS1 emulators on PC?
I was about to say "THANK YOU" until you went back to MiSTER shilling with the last sentence of your first paragraph.
>You can get "accurate emulation on some systems and okay emulation on others" with a PC
Not without significant investments in a good computer. If you don't already have a modern mid-level gaming PC, you might as well get an FPGA. Even then, FPGA doesn't have input delay.
For me, it's the plug & play nature of the Mister that makes it worth it. I can have multiple "systems" hooked up to my CRT and my HDTV simultaneously, with low lag, low fuss. It just werks.
Oh come on, Mister is much more accurate than N64 on Wii. And you're still avoiding what I just said. You buy it for accurate emulation on some systems and okay emulation on others. If you're only interested in accurate emulation then, I dunno, maybe you just ignore stuff like N64.
Because this project is not just for servicing vidya players. It is part of an ongoing ecosystem of projects to recreate systems on FGPA.
>It's almost as though systems anything can emulate perfectly were a priority
ftfy
Which systems are emulated "perfectly" in software? And do they on run on a Pi 2 seeing as apparently anything can run them?
Well you can't emulate SNES on a NES, so I guess not anything.
Thinking of streaming some mister and modded retro console stuff. Think there would be any interest?
Same thing that happens with every singular, unified configuration. People figure out how to optimize their code to run better on the hardware, and extreme autism gets channeled into making projects like this work.
Why are there still no decent cases for this thing?
You have either buy the stack, some ugly 3D printed case or get an ITX conversion.
I like the stack.
That looks ugly. My PC looks way better.
go away bill gates
Bill Gates would promote Xbox, not the PC. Also you've obviously never heard of Linux.
I fricking wish there was a way to connect floppy and CD drives
C64 drives can be connected.
Ugly as frick. Thanks for convincing me not to own a MiSTer, mister.
The only time any single board computer ever has a case is if China decides to manufacture one. No exceptions.
The Ironclad lets you put it in any ITX case you want.
Still the best.
buy or build a box made out of plastic, metal, or wood. drill holes for cable mounts and fan. secure de10 to bottom of box.
>yeah I put my mister in a double wide trailer, got a heck of a swamp cooler, sewage drain, grey water out, fresh water in, electrical in. Just as good as any stick built house
The absolute state
you liberals with your chinese aluminum mister cuck sheds just hate freedom
I dont even have a mister, but I do have real consoles in my real house, hooked up to my real crt. The whole joke went over your head and you made it political, way to go, cuck.
your consoles, house, and crt may be real, but your womanhood will never be
Better, or worse? Certainly smaller.
Why is it a perfect rectangle. I want to see some interesting designs, not sega Saturns. Where’s the glass n64 shaped cases or the fish tank misters. Perfect for water cooling. Yours is pretty cool for what it is, I do t want to rain on your parade, it looks like you put a lot of thought into it, but I’d be cooler if it was a replica cigar box or like a Japanese transistor radio with ducking wood paneling, b***h
I prefer to keep my MiSTer setup clean and hack up my original consoles to look like cigar boxes and other jank. My aim in life is to game on a potato?
I dunno, nothing about what you said appeals to me. The idea of a fishtank PC even, is not something i'm chasing. But that's just me 🙂
I want a floating fish tank mister, just a small one with like 15 skittle shrimp and an orchid rooted inside. The bottoms would be a filtration system that is also hooked up to tubes that cool the mister. Sustained in the eather by a drone plugged into a wall.
its not a fricking bong from 2007
pretty neat actually but you should really put a heatsink on the FPGA if you want that fan to actually cool it
I've seen dozens of tests on pi's. no heatsink plus fan is best, unless you find a way to affix it with actual thermal paste and apply pressure. thermal tape is a garbage conductor. you end up with 20 minutes of cooler temps followed by hours of hotter temps
Source on that?
3D print one
Hell yeah, Bug is playable with the latest Saturn update!
Bill Gates is no longer a member of Microsoft. He isn't even at the board of directors.
Did he resign due to Bug being ported to PC?
another option, buy a bunch of cases made for pi's from amazon with free returns and see if you can make one work
Good idea, a bit of Dremel work should rig one up.
I have my MiSTer inside the head of my blow-up doll as a case. Gotta love that portability.
Also, something I've been wondering about.
I know the PS1 has some imperceptible timing issues. Compared to PS2 BC, which do you guys think would be the most "accurate" representation of PS1 hardware?
I ask because until the mister came along, the PS2 was the only proper way to play PS1 over component without an adapter.
I have a real question. Who was the MiSTer Mini-ITX Ironclad Plus made for? All I see is needless spreading out of the MiSTer and bulking it up for no reason other than to make it fit inside any Mini-ITX case with zero apparent benefits.
I'm playing this, it's decent.
Is there a Steam core on Mister or did this get ported to some retro system?
Oops, posted in the wrong thread. Carry on.
A steam core would be good, though. And the absence of that is one reason why a PC with software emulation would beat mister if you wanted to also play steam games.
>beat mister
It would be a reason to own both. Stop being poor.
Why has no one bother to use/able the 128KB VRam mode for the Mega Drive (who has a unused CRam bus) and SNES (who also has a 256KB VRam mode) cores, the real hardware supports it so why has no one bothered putting in that function in MiSTer?
Imagine the homebrew that can come out of it, Mario Paint with 256 on screen colors for starters.
Does any homebrew exist that uses such a mode? Seems like a chicken and egg problem to me.
The Sega Tera Drive used the Mega Drive's 128KB VRam mode for a puzzle game and Mega Drive software development, M2 also used the Mega Drive's 128KB VRam mode for a few of their own projects as well.
The SNES however is limited to a VRam (128KB) ram expansion of Mega Man X.
https://www.mediafire.com/?aokk8ly2ba1ez5c
https://github.com/devinacker/bsnes-plus/issues/184
Does the new megadrive core support it?
No, not to my knowledge.
>Mario Paint with 256 on screen colors for starters.
WOW! That sounds AMAZING! That'd totally be worth spending more than the 2 minutes one person would spend fricking around with it to make!
If someone starts using the 128KB VRam mode of the SNES.
If someone accidentally the entire vram?
>until they are dead.
The odds of this are nearly 50%
Real hardware can take the extra ram.
https://forums.nesdev.org/viewtopic.php?t=14465
Can real hardware post a relevant reply?
No one has ever posted a video with the ram mod.
>No it can not, and neither can I
How sad. Get well soon.
While I see your point I am compelled to point out that weird people have been playing Marion Paint for decades and will continue doing so until they are dead.
Speak for yourself, the Raspberry Pi Foundation pays my bills.
You Black folk come out like an army every time there's a MiSTer thread. Or maybe you're just one really autistic samegay. I don't know, but the fact that you morons use the same talking points every time makes me think you're the shills here.
>is mister obviously moronic? no, everyone else is the same shill.
What you are doing is shilling. You're upset that someone can have a good time with something they bought and you want them to buy what you bought instead, even though they have legitimate reasons for their purchase. You are one of the few people that can legitimately be called a shill here.
>MiSTer owners are now the poor ones
Wasn't the main criticism that it was too expensive?
emulatorgays and real hardware gays are not the same group of people, moron.
There's a difference between being too expensive & being overpriced. For example, buying a nice home for $300,000 is too expensive. Buying a MiSTer for $600 is overpriced, you may as well build a low end gaming PC for the same price.
A low end gaming PC can't do what the mister does. It's an entirely different form of emulation. It's like comparing apples to oranges. Sure they're both delicious but they're not the same thing despite the similarities.
They actually sell FPGA boards for gaming PC's. There's nothing a MiSTer can do, that the PC can't do.
Link me to some FPGA boards for gaming PCs and link me to some emulators that use those FPGAs to play games.
what would even be the point of that? just use a de10 nano and mister at that point
And none of them are suitable for the task of running MiSTer cores.
I have no idea what gaming shit that guy's talking about, but there are a lot of FPGA boards that are made to be installed in PCs. I also have no idea what you imagine you mean by being "suitable for the task of running MiSTer cores" but you can get something that's basically a DE10 nano on a card. If they're still making them. Shits pretty old and really only good for hobbyists now. Most boards used fro real shit are massively more advanced.
And do these cards have native video out or do they force you to go through the rest of the computer making them pointless for retro gaming?
So FPGAs aren't more accurate, then?
You are not here to actually discuss anything. Get a better hobby.
Actually playing video games is a good enough one for me.
Correct
I have no idea what you imagine "native video out" means. Do you mean the onboard HDMI mister has, which is pointless for retro gaming? If so, then yes, of course that's available on many cards. But again, pointless for retro gaming. If you mean anything else, then yes. The same part on a PCI card can do whatever the same part on a card with no PCI interface can. That should be obvious to even the zoomiest of zoomies.
So are there FPGA AIBs that provide analog video out? Genuine question.
Without knowing what "FPGA AIBs" means to you I can't say. In the context of FPGAs AIB generally refers to a feature that's available on some models. But it really doesn't have anything to do with video. So I suspect it means something different to you. But I won't hazard to guess what that is.
Exactly. I don't know why some of these MiSTer defenders claim PC can't have FPGA or MiSTer cores. Do they expect PC owners to buy the MiSTer itself on MiSTerAddOns?
Probably. They once bragged about how you could turn your PC into a MiSTer. All of a sudden they don't bring it up now.
I do remember that.
True.
If you can't afford FPGA boards for PC, you're either very poor or your job gives you only 2 hours a day for minimum wage.
>If you can't afford FPGA boards for PC, you're either very poor or your job gives you only 2 hours a day for minimum wage.
Post a suitable FPGA that is affordable and manufactured at scale. There aren't any, that was the point of the DE-10, it is an FPGA that was intentionally sold at a loss and manufactured at scale in order to give programmers more exposure to FPGAs.
So you're very poor? Got it. Must be tough living with your parents, not being able to afford or save up for an FPGA board to install on your PC.
Post an FPGA or shut the frick up.
>Post FPGA
You can google it yourself. Lol
Really? Because I work for $16.50 an hour & I have over $10,500 in my bank account. It's not that expensive if you're good at managing your money. With the money I'm saving, not only can I afford an FPGA board, but I can also buy a 1980's style corvette.
>Really? Because I work for $16.50 an hour & I have over $10,500 in my bank account. It's not that expensive if you're good at managing your money. With the money I'm saving, not only can I afford an FPGA board, but I can also buy a 1980's style corvette.
Where do you live?
How much do you pay in rent?
Do you still live with your parents or family?
Something isn't adding up and you are misleading people.
Where do you live?
With my mom
How much do you pay in rent?
I pay the internet, half the electricity and I do physical hard labor around the house.
Do you still live with your parents or family?
I live with my parents to help take care of them. They need me there
Nice try with the larp. I live in Michigan. I pay $500 in rent. I live with my girlfriend. She helps me with the other half of the rent. So yeah, I can afford an FPGA board, no problem.
You can't afford it.
The Golden rule for being able to afford something is if you can buy the same item 3 times over with your salary. Not counting your savings.
You clearly don't have a job & don't know how much money you could make with 40 hours a week. I can afford it.
You make 30K a year and are looking to start a family? You won't be able to afford it for long. Kids eat up your salary.
>So yeah, I can afford an FPGA board, no problem.
And what do you do with your FPGA?
>Must be tough living with your parents
My parents are very nice people and I love them very much.
whats that like? my parents are cruel and speak little to me
It makes me feel guilty when I don't bother talking to them in a while but is otherwise pretty nice.
can your parents pretend to be my parents, only sometimes when youre not using them? please...
>If you can't afford FPGA boards for PC, you're either very poor or your job gives you only 2 hours a day for minimum wage.
that's fricking moronic, you're just trying to one up MiSTer gays with some dumbass reply. Of course no average joe can afford $1,000's on an FPGA. Most people who have access to these type of FPGAs work for a big company who pays for that shit.
What do you expect from people so insecure and desperate for validation that they'll pay for emulation just to feel superior and have something to never shut up about?
>le copeypasta
Yawn
>Mister isn't a hardware platform
https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Hardware_MiSTer
>Show me where mister or any other fpga project is implemented on a PC card FPGA.
Are you saying that's what "suitable for the task of running MiSTer cores" in your head? Also, you're joking, right? What do you imagine all these cards are used for? Do you imagine that everyone in the world who has an FPGA development system only has it to feel superior and never shut up about it?
>Do you imagine that everyone in the world who has an FPGA development system only has it to feel superior and never shut up about it?
LMAO amazing, this was pretty much exactly what I was thinking about your post before you said it yourself. All you're doing is bragging about nothing.
That guy is right, by the way, Mister isn't a hardware platform anymore than Retroarch is (which also at one point only worked on one platform).
It's sort of both, it has a hardware component and a software component. MARS is trying to be a separate hardware platform that can run MiSTer cores.
>LMAO amazing, this was pretty much exactly what is actually going on in my broken brain
You don't need to be a psychologist to diagnose Mister Coper Disorder.
>Post a video of you jumping through the hoops my strawman is holding
NTA, but still lmfao at your cope. Gotta love how the ignorami ITT have gone from "it doesn't exist", to "oh, it does, b-b-but it doesn't work", to "ok it works, b-b-but it's to expensive" in less than 24 hours. I bet the mister devs couldn't make a core more accurate than 100% accurate that fast.
>You don't need to be a psychologist to diagnose Mister Coper Disorder.
You are mad because you got called out. You also don't know what a strawman is. Post an FPGA or shut the frick up.
Wow, you're an angry little baby, aren't you. I'm assuming this is all samegay. There can't possibly be four people this stupid on the internet, right? Why are you even crying about an emulator box you can't afford? You understand that Mr MiSTer isn't going to give you a free MiSTer because you shill his stuff, right?
I'll just leave this here
https://www.terasic.(com.tw)/cgi-bin/page/archive.pl?Language=English&CategoryNo=13&List=Simple
Where did all of the schizo anti-mister posters come from? It's not even particularly expensive if you're a hobbyist looking for a low latency solution that can be easily hooked up to a variety of TVs.
You realize it's an open source project, right? There's nothing to shill for it.
It only takes one dedicated shitposter
A PC FPGA card that is as powerful as the mister doesn't exist, doesn't work for the purpose we require of having analogue out and even so are very expensive. If that changes I will consider buying one so keep me posted.
moron
Mister isn't a hardware platform, it's a project that happens to run on a de10 nano. Show me where mister or any other fpga project is implemented on a PC card FPGA.
Claiming that you can put an FPGA board in your PC and it will become a mister is as deluded as cutting off your dick and believing you will be a woman. YWNBAW
That would have to go through the OS and defeat the purpose of FPGA.
Very true, but unfortunately the shills won't agree with you because it defeats the purpose of owning a MiSTer.
No, they don't sell affordable FPGAs for PC that can do what mister does.
>Ps1 promised to be absolutely impossible on Nintendo Wii for years
>suddenly Wiistation is rebuild with lightrec progressing month by month with games working at full speed
>while having 240p, CDDA, lightgun with wiimote and CHD format support.
>Wii's are still cheap!
What gives
>lightgun with wiimote
that's actually pretty cool, thanks for the headsup
>lightgun with wiimote
I would rather play with a dpad.
Who cares, why would anyone wanna play PS1 on the WII?
Everyone I know who has one swears by it, but I feel like I would get bored of a MiSTer. I will prob end up getting something like it in the long run, but I would rather just use a console and flash cart than pay all this money for emulation. Even if it's perfectly accurate, it's pretty pricey and introduces lag (very low but still detectable). Inevitably there will be an even more powerful follow up that you'll need to get to play DC or PS2 games so why bother -- I can go without playing Bonk another decade.
Starting from scratch, a good console modded for modern displays and a flash cart will cost as much as a mister.
how could you get bored of atari 2600/5200/7800, colleco, nes, snes, gb, gbc, super gb, gba, master system, genesis, 32x, segaCD, game gear, neo geo, neo geo cd, neo geo pocket/color, wonderswan, lynx, tgfx16, tgfx16 cd, psx, saturn, n64, and TONS of arcade boards?
>muh detectable lag
You can’t detect it.
If you use it with a CRT and original controller via SNAC, the lag is the same as og hardware. If you use it with a decent monitor that works with vsync_adjust=2, and a good usb controller, the lag is negligible. The lag comes from HDTVs that don't play nice with the odd refresh rates, and you have to use the framebuffer options that add 1-2 frames of lag.
>hates vidya
Go back to Ganker.
Can we all just stop and think how fricking weird it is that people are so attached to the idea of modifying something initially sold as office equipment they can't even bear a thread existing that's about something else? Just think about it. In the 80s the PC was marketed as an alternative to typewriters and calculators, 40 years on its an open platform people are so attached to they're now lying about add-ons just to entertain the idea of turning a PC into a MiSTer out of pure spite. It's like taping a razor blade to a stapler just because someone invented scissors. Deranged.
This may have sounded cool in your head, but it only sounds like rambling without focus to the rest of us. Cut you post in half, and try again.
I'm convinced it's one extremely deranged homosexual doing this.
Yes for someone who can't afford the $300 for a Mister obviously doesn't have a job so has nothing but time on his hands to seethe and dilate.
mistercoper meltdown
Funny because you MiSTer gays once claimed that you could turn your PC into a MiSTer & now you MiSTer gays are backtracking, claiming it's not possible & the reason why you guys are backtracking is simple... 1) it hurts your bottom line, unable to sell your MiSTer parts on MiSTerAddOns. 2) you need a reason to justify wasting $600 on a MiSTer. The idea of people using a custom built PC & turning that into a MiSTer defeats the purpose of owning a MiSTer.
Buy a Mister!
Hey misterfans just a friendly reminder that if you like this project you could throw Sorgelig a bone, that dude is a champion heavy lifter.
Too expensive when I can just emulate games inefficiently on my $700 cell phone. Maybe next time kiddo.
Waiting to see if dual ram takes off before getting a better case that doesn't have wires coming out of all ends.
I'm not paying $600 to $700 dollars for an emulation box. It's not cost efficient. It shouldn't cost more than modern consoles. If I am spending that amount of money then it needs to be multi-purpose like my PC or smartphone. Otherwise the most I will spend is modern console prices which are around $300. It better come fully assembled and ready to go out of the box like a proper finished product. I am not a beta tester.
Lucky that it only costs $300 then. you stupid c**t.
Then show me a complete Mister that I can hook up to my HDTV. No tinkering. No buying other things seperately. Complete and fully assembled.
Mister isn't a product you stupid c**t.
>Mister isn't a product you stupid c**t
If I'm paying money, then it's a product. Deal with it.
>Did your PC?
Yes it did. What a stupid and unrelated question
>le consoomer
Mister isn't for you, give it up. You aren't welcome in this community, goodbye.
If they take my money, then I am. You have no say. You have no rights. Mister isn't a cute "hobby project" if they are selling a product for money.
who is "they"???? gtfo moron
Let's all laugh at this idiot for buying a prebuilt PC
>$300
Liar. It's free software.
>It better come fully assembled and ready to go out of the box like a proper finished product
Did your PC?
What the frick is wrong with all the PC gays in this thread? Just use the phone you already own, morons.
My kids lemonade stand isn't a cute hobby project because they are selling a product for money.
If I'm paying for lemonade I better get lemonade.
Can you all frick stop entertaining the guy claiming this is a shill product?
Shhhhh. We're trying to sell MiSTer's here, mister!
The unfortunate thing about discussing the mister project is that it just werks so there isnt much to discuss tbh. It isnt like retroarch or chinkhelds where there are random issues to troubleshoot or hardware choices to be made you buy one set it up and youre good to go. Nothing to really talk about unless youre a dev or know your shit but lol you wont find that on Ganker these days. Nothing here but seething pseuds
>The unfortunate thing about discussing the mister project is that it just werks so there isnt much to discuss tbh.
Yet mistergays just can't stop shitposting about it. Why is that?
When and where? Are you the guy seething about someone posting a single image once a week
>a single image once a week
Welcome to /vr/ new friend. How's your first week going? It's a shame you haven't been able to experience all the mister shitposting we have to offer. It's admirable that you've spent your entire time here in this thread valiantly fighting against the dark forces of facts, logic, and common sense. But your fellow cultists need your support elsewhere as well. Do you realize that in the entire catalog there are only 20 threads that have mister shitposts in them? Numbers haven't been this low since before mister was only 100% accurate. Get out there and spread the good word, which is totally not shilling. Your God needs you.
Satire should be shorter.
point them out please
What are you talking about? There's so much to discuss even people who don't own one come here to talk about it!
It was never impossible. People theorized it was the absolutely possible even 4 years ago and the only thing against it was block ram and that it would be a tight fit but that you wouldn't get anything extra like actual render upscale which is absolutely what happened.
?t=31
You would need more powerful FPGAs if you want anything newer.
An fpga just powerful enough to grab dreamcast and ps2 would sound good to me.
Wow so people actually do all their vidya sitting at their PC? I bet they watch movies there too. I find it hard to fathom how anyone could tolerate a wheezy ugly PC hooked up in their living room.
Ugly? My PC looks cool & futuristic, it's in black & green.
There are two types of people in these threads. Those that have a Mister, and those who secretly want a Mister but are poor. No sane person is going to seethe over something they don't care about.
>There are two types of people in these threads.
those who dont want to have sex with men, and you.
No sane person spends $600 on an emulator box. At this point, people may as well buy a SNES mini or Genesis mini.
Exactly. Has nothing to do with being poor or wanting it. The MiSTer just isn't worth spending money on.
Thanks for your concern about how other people spend their money, but I assure you the $350 I spent on my MiSTer was well within my means, as were the MD, SNES and NES minis on my shelf. You see I have a job.
I have a job too, with multiple consoles, console minis & a custom built gaming PC. The MiSTer just isn't worth my hard earned money.
Indeed.
Poor? Nope. Ignorant? Nope. We're just smart about what we should spend our money on, unlike you.
thank god. if i saw a moron like you in the discord id be instantly ashamed of what i was into.
you should be ashamed for using dischord period
its a necessary evil, much like seeing stupid ass non-mister users in mister threads here
You should be more ashamed of posting at a groomer domestic terrorist controlled website/app & calling someone who's smart with his money a "moron". There's no smart reason to spend $600 on a Mister.
thats right there isnt a smart reason to spend $600 which is good because you shouldn't and you dont have to to build a mister
Follow this advice.
Pics or it never happened. I bet you have a Black person-rigged retropi in a bootleg nes mini case.
I can be impressed at the tech accomplishment, and still not need nor want it.
I'm impressed with the progress on this potato, but I'm still not gonna buy it. I'm happy for you, though.
You people bragging about the cost being cheap don't seem to get it.
It's not that we CAN'T spend $600 dollars on a misterbox.
It's that we don't see it being worth $600. So we WON'T spend $600 on it.
There are so many options available to emulate games. Our phones. Our laptops. Our computers. Re-released machines like Genesis Mini, SNES mini, etc.
I don't see what Mister brings to the table that makes it worth buying.
That's cool, you can just close this tab, frick off and pretend it never existed!
Okay, but should I stop posting about the device I use to play retro games because some thrifty person doesn't think it is worth the price?
>Okay, but should I stop shitposting about it every chance I get?
You should have never started
no YOU dont get that literally no one gives a frick if YOU or anyone else buys it. the userbase is already well-supported with devs and add-ons. we dont need anyone else to join. frick off.
It's not $600 unless you're a moron buying a prebuilt bundle or you're really tricking it out with bullshit like the Ironclad and an ITX case.
Are you telling people not to buy a case? You want naked and unprotected electronics?
I used mine without a case for like a year before buying one. And the $15 acryplic cases on Aliexpress are ugly but do the job.
https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2527243
>what is 3d printing
So now you are telling people to go buy a 3D printer. Stop anon.
You can pay people to 3d print thing for you, there's a wealth of these services on etsy.
How ghetto are you?
>dude just don't buy a case. It's cheaper!
You people I swear...
I honestly feel bad for anyone who is too stubborn, ignorant or poor to join in the FPGA revolution. In the end it's better for the project though, less hungry mouths to spoonfeed and less morons for scalpers to rape.
OK. I keep seeing this thread pop up on /vr/. Clearly it's popular. How good is a Mister over something like Mame? I mean percentage wise? Are talking like 50% better? 40%? 30%?
Consider that if MiSTer is chocolate ice-cream, emulation may look similar but when you eat it's clearly frozen shit.
clueless moron who think "arcade" is one console
Frozen shit eater detected. You poor homosexual.
It's 20% more accurate than original hardware
not better at all as tons of hardwares are badly emulated (if emulated at all).
retro communities are completetely clueless about arcade gaming except for a few small circles so don't except the mister to top mame any day soon
It can't really be quantified in percentage, because with a high end PC setup MAME and MiSTer are going to be closely accurate.
The big important things for the MiSTer though is that it's going to have minimal input latency, easily hooked up to older display standards and it's going to be more portable + power optimized. It's easy to throw a MiSTer into an arcade cabinet and hook everything up for an authentic experience; trying to do the same thing with a PC much messier with more overhead and sacrifices you need to make in terms of emulation accuracy.
>The big important things for the MiSTer though is that it's going to have minimal input latency, easily hooked up to older display standards and it's going to be more portable + power optimized. It's easy to throw a MiSTer into an arcade cabinet and hook everything up for an authentic experience; trying to do the same thing with a PC much messier with more overhead and sacrifices you need to make in terms of emulation accuracy.
You can easily do that with an old laptop. Stop lying to other anons.
>you can easily eat frozen shit instead of chocolate ice cream it's exactly the same although I have never tasted chocolate ice cream so I'm just guessing at this point that chocolate ice cream is as shit as frozen shit
You can't even give a direct technical answer so you resort to food analogies. Lmao
>shit eater tears
You sicken me
Unfortunately the actual subject matter is too complex for your understanding and it's clear you wouldn't know your butthole from a hole in the ground. But you may understand that if you've eaten nothing but frozen shit your whole life and then you see someone eating chocolate ice cream, you may conflate them especially if you've never tasted chocolate ice cream. Enjoy trying to convince yourself that you would never want to taste chocolate ice cream because you believe frozen diarrhea must taste just as good.
>I don't actually know the answer so I'm going to pretend like answering a simple question is beneath me.
Yawn
If you're doing this with an old laptop then you're sacrificing accuracy and input latency. You're having to go through two layers to get your inputs to your laptop (a USB -> SNES adapter, for example) in addition to the OS overhead. And laptop performance can be awful and prone to overheating even when emulating games.
In comparison to MiSTer where you can get an adapter to hook it up directly to the board. I get that you have shit standards, but don't push your shit standards on other people and recommend using a laptop in an arcade cabinet. If you're going that far, either use a MiSTer or a proper decent PC setup.
Old laptops can handle everything up N64 easily.
Okay, and? Do you have a point, other than 'this budget solution can handle budget stuff poorly'? You're just stating the obvious. A PC from 2006 can also emulate SNES games using ZSNES. Why don't you go build an arcade cabinet with ZSNES for us.
>'this budget solution can handle budget stuff poorly'?
Old laptops can handle everything up N64 easily.
And like I said, your standards are shit if you think so.
I'm sure you can cope with that frozen shit flavour just fine but I'll stick to chocolate ice cream, thanks.
>I have some of the lowest standards on the internet easily
What a weird flex
Nah, bro!. You just don't get it. Paying someone for a case is different from paying for a case. Do you even understand how cope works?
What's stopping someone from buying a $600 dollar laptop with Mame and doing the same thing? You said it yourself. The difference is minimal.
I like the idea of a Mister, but from what I'm reading in the thread, it seems like it's a steep price. If they lowered the price by at least half and could deliver a fully assembled item, then I could see it selling. Basically it would fill in the niche between cheap chrome books at $100 - $150 and entry level laptops at around $400 to $500.
So if they could make the Mister between $200 and $300 dollars (max), that's the sweet spot.
because it doesn't cost $600 to set up a mister unless you're a moron or a Redditor. it costs around your sweet spot if you actually do it yourself
OK, but what if someone just wants to buy a standard Mister that doesn't require DIY (outside of loading the roms) ? How much is that?
Way too much, and you get made fun of if you actually buy it just like homosexuals who buy prebuilt desktops.
I already said unless you're a moron or Redditor. can't you read?
No. You said if you do it yourself then it will be around $300. I asked how much does it cost at minimum if you don't want to do all that. Assume a basic Mister setup with a case. No exposed circuits or incomplete setups. What is the cost.
are you asking how much a prebuilt costs? why would you buy a prebuilt unless youre a dumbass who can't even follow simple instructions.
Answer the question.
$600 for a prebuilt.
Source: MiSTerAddOns
or $450 from retro castle
It only costs $300 for a mister already, idiot.
Theyre a dumbass whose too afraid to follow simple instructions dont acknowledge. Would love to see them put together ikea furniture or build a simple lego set meant for a child
You misspelled $600.
>What's stopping someone from buying a $600 dollar laptop with Mame
I AM.
buy a laptop and see what happens to you
I'm the biggest dude in here
Serious answer:
Mister's biggest mistake was pushing the idea of FPGA being this magical solution that will emulate games exactly as original hardware with zero issues. That didn't work out as intended.
What they should have done was leaned into the idea portability and multiple connections. A device fully dedicated to emulating retro games at an affordable price. No need to use a computer. Just connect it and your good to go. Something to use in arcade cabinets or even just as a standalone device. That was probably the best way to market it.
Funnily enough it was actually a company pushing a commercial product that never actually released with an FPGA that pushed this narrative.
anal log did that shit first didnt it
why? it comes closer to that stated goal then even choppy ass higan which claimed to do the same for over a decade
"Mister" didn't do such any such thing. A hacker named Sorgelig migrated the MiST framework to a DE-10 nano and also designed some useful hardware additions for it. It's all in the wiki.
https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Wiki_MiSTer/wiki