>Name is Iron Hands
>Has Iron Hands
>Is leader of The Iron Hands
>They have Iron Hands
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>Name is Iron Hands. >Has Iron Hands. >Is leader of The Iron Hands. >They have Iron Hands
Yes Anon. 40k was originally a silly joke setting nobody put much thought into. I don't know why this needs to be explained to you every few days.
>40k was originally a silly joke setting
wrong
You want me to start posting stuff from the Rogue trader book?
Post the the back of the book blurb. He's completely right. Thinking that a setting containing a handful of jokes means the entire thing is a joke is peak americanism.
RT isnt 40k tourist.
Cope plebbitor.
You look the glory of Inquisitor Obiwan Sherlock Clousseau in the eyes and tell me that.
Yeah thats one out of like all 3 these same pictures morons like you are always posting
Why would you want to help me? Rogue Trader book is 99% serious
>Why would you want to help me? Rogue Trader book is 99% serious
99% satire. Less than 1% serious.
moronic redditors
I doubt you've actually ever even read the book you are claiming as serious. It is only "moronic redditors" than would try claim that 40k started out as anything close to 99% serious.
Redditors are capeshit obsessed subhumans that can't take anything seriously and not otherwise. My comparison is adequate.
I did read it and it's 99% serious and approach to the setting was never different because purpose of the setting was to make it cool and not a quipfest
3 eastereggs are not enough to change an atmosphere and feel of a setting when 99% of it is completely serious and always was.
>99% of it is completely serious
Grim =/= serious.
>3 eastereggs are not enough to change an atmosphere and feel of a setting when 99% of it is completely serious and always was.
I don't know what level of delusion it takes to live this way, but godspeed. The giant shoulder pads? A joke. The ridiculous social and fiscal policies? A shot at Thatcher's administration.
It's only people too young to remember the actual subjects of the jokes who don't understand that Warhammer 40k was never meant to be taken seriously.
>I don't know what level of delusion it takes to live this way, but godspeed.
Posturing doesn't help your case.
I understand that excess-for-the-sake-of-excess is difficult to distinguish from parody, and that's why I don't usually weigh in on these arguments, but your concept of "meant to be taken seriously" doesn't leave room for anything. Do you think that every scifi dystopia is meant to be a humorous parody of (current political skub)? What about the overdesigned characters in WarcraftIII, which were excessive for similar reasons, to make little dudes stand out with big details? Is that parody too? You're posturing as a Based Knower but your points are pretty shallow.
>Do you think that every scifi dystopia is meant to be a humorous parody of (current political skub)?
No, most are meant to be taken as a serious critique of modern politics. Do you even know what science fiction is as a genre? Much less the origins of the genre as a response to political conservatism in the 1950s?
I swear it's like you zoomies intentionally learn things wrong to feel special.
>No, most are meant to be taken as a serious critique of modern politics.
That's not necessarily true but it still concedes my point.
>Do you even know what science fiction is as a genre? Much less the origins of the genre as a response to political conservatism in the 1950s?
lol
>I swear it's like you zoomies intentionally learn things wrong to feel special.
lmao
>What about the overdesigned characters in WarcraftIII, which were excessive for similar reasons
You mean because the first game was originally going to be a Warhammer game and GW fricked up their relationship with Blizzard, so Blizzard just wrote their own world lore and it became a massive juggernaut compared to Warhammer? Then they just continued to use the same thematics with improved graphics and that's how we got Warcraft III? That the game we're talking about?
>You’re obviously more correct than the other guy, but I still disagree with this phrasing.
That's fair. But WH40K was outright intended to lampoon Tory politics, and it also had a bunch of other smaller parodies and jokes woven in. The whole "In the grim dark future of humanity, there is only war" catchphrase is intended to signal this to the audience. Which, back then, got the message. Now? No clue. Don't understand subtle parody. They require TLJ.
>That's not necessarily true but it still concedes my point.
No it doesn't. The entire setting is unserious. The critique is serious. How can you not understand this? You know what, frick it. I accept your concession.
This is what the artwork for warcraft 1 looks like dumbass
Yes, thank you, it mirrors the Warhammer art of the time. I accept your concession.
This is all completely unfounded bullshit and headcanon. as
points out, only in wc3 do they start having really big shoulderpads, 8 years later. What you think that's even making fun of, who knows.
If you want a glimpse of how the original creators thought about it, go read something from priestly, dude thinks about it all at face value, as it's presented on the back of the book. It was only ever supposed to seem cool.
Nta but I’d imagine he doesn’t mean every single thing in the entire setting is a satirical bit in a well designed all encompassing joke.
More like it’s just general “frick the man! The president is a war criminal bro!” Shit.
40K was always just a hodge podge of scifi tropes and fantasy elements mixed together through the eyes of some brits. The way if an Irishman made 40K there might be a tyrannical king who oppressed the imperium and owned the northern half of the galaxy. And all the imperium citizens would say “go home you orange space marine basterds”.
I mean I specifically talked about the shoulder pads which he did directly claim were an epic joke that he will not explain.
More than just tropes, 40k is a bunch of scifi stitched together with a bunch of pop history. Pretty much anything that even looks like a political critique is really just a holdover from something they ripped off.
>anything in there is just a holdover from the source
I don’t buy that though. Orkz being a joke about hooligan culture, the Tau, etc. Theres plenty of commentary in there that was written FOR 40K.
Warcraft didn't really get into doing the big shoulder pads thing until warcraft 3 and that was because as a low poly rts where you are looking down on your units from far away, it's important that you are able to identify and pick out which unit was which instantly. Then wow took that exaggerated proportions style and ran with it even though it wasn't necessary in 3d person rpg where you only control your one character.
pauldrons size ran away into silly territory because it was a prestige thing
but it wasnt consistent between races and sex
The prestige paldrons thing was because armor in wow was just a texture and gloves and boots only had 2 different models that amounted to cones in your forearms and shins. So the only part of armor that had unique models was helmets and pauldrons. Alot of people turned off helmets because of course helmets are hardly heroic so that left pauldrons to do all the heavy lifting when it comes to when it comes to armor distinctiveness. Every time a new raid comes out with new class armor sets, the paldrons got bigger and more elaborate so you could show off that this new set was totally better than the last set.
pauldrons irl are a prestige thing
>Then they just continued to use the same thematics with improved graphics and that's how we got Warcraft III?
This is wrong in that the aesthetic changed a lot (and the Warhammer aesthetic changed too, at the same time, sometimes leading to parallel developments such as the oversized pauldrons, or as you put it "giant shoulder pads"). But, yes, that's the game we're talking about.
lol, moron.
>The entire setting is unserious. The critique is serious
You listed the so-called critique as evidence that the setting wasn't serious (along with the "giant shoulder pads"). Then you lost track of what you were saying or why.
40k isn't sci-fi, just like star wars isn't sci-fi. They are both fantasy stories in space.
call it space fantasy instead then you pretentious wiener sucking MONKEY
You seem awful mad for someone who's agreeing with me.
>not real scifi
I have never met a single person who thought it was important to make this distinction who wasn’t doing it just to be an autistic dickhead. Prove me wrong. Define scifi and list some “real” scifi stories for us anon.
Sci-fi generally seems to run with a speculative "what if" theme. There is an assumption about a future discovery or exploration and the story revolves around that.
40k is more along the lines of future humans vs future orks vs future elves and the awesome narrative stories that can be crafted in that setting. It's a great setting for story telling but I've never gotten the impression of there being an overarching "what if" to the whole series.
>not to be taken seriously
You’re obviously more correct than the other guy, but I still disagree with this phrasing. Even satire can be taken seriously, it just can’t be taken literally at all times. Something like samurai Jack is a good example of what I mean. Obviously there are joke characters and the whole thing is stylized and over the top.. but the themes are still heartfelt and there’s plenty of excellent animation and direction there that CAN be taken seriously. It’s impossible to analyze 40K as an entire setting the same way we could talk about a single show, but I do think it’s above a farce.
>100% serious
Or
>marvel capeshit quipfest
Anon you should try not to let the moronic memes people post here frame your reality so completely. Lots of art exists outside of these 2 buzzword buckets.
Cope harder.
>Yeah thats one out of like all 3 these same pictures morons like you are always posting
"Well I don't like your evidence!" is not a valid argument, anon.
Orks are literally based off Soccer Hooligans lmao
Ghazghkull Mag Uruk Thraka is literally parodying Margaret Thatcher.
Old Ork Stormboyz looked like SS troopers.
The name of the first official Inquisitor character was "Obiwan Sherlock Clousseau".
40K has always been goofy as frick, but definitely moreso in the early years.
President Obama in warhammer 40k
>Ghazghkull Mag Uruk Thraka is literally parodying Margaret Thatcher.
How? Apart from the supposed name similarity where are the similarities? It's an absolutely surface level joke and it's the set of 3 jokes that people mention literally every time they're asked.
Andy Chambers has literally deboonked it too but people love the idea that they have some esoteric knowledge that bumps them up the nerd hierarchy. They cope that there's some pro thatcher mafia in the UK that will pay Chambers a visit if he was "honest".
Imagine getting this buttmad about an imaginary warhammer character.
Literally take a break from the computer and go get some fresh air.
your meme isn't real, they were named for gay larp shit all along, get over it.
>there's some pro thatcher mafia in the UK that will pay Chambers a visit if he was "honest".
It's downplayed among the old guard at workshop because it was potentially a violation of the UK's Public Order Act, specifically
> ...any writing, sign or other visible representation which is threatening, abusive or insulting,thereby causing that or another person harassment, alarm or distress
Europoors don't always have the same protections in place for public criticism of their political class that countries like America have, especially in the late 80s/early 90s.
Also pic related is literally from WD, so case closed.
How do you think that picture is proof? It's not even 40k lmao.
It shows that GW was making fun of Thatcher five years before Rogue Trader even released, and with an Ork army no less.
It also shows that people like
are secondaries. Don't be obtuse.
>GW was making fun of Thatcher
Meaningless, chambers showed disapproval in his facebook post too
>It also shows that people like
wrong # are secondaries
No it doesn't, you spiteful little knuckledragger.
1.) You're wrong, if chambers really wanted to 'set the record straight' he wouldn't have waited 30 years to do so
2.) Yes it does, also back to you and your fat mama too
1. No
2. Cringe
And before you complain about my lack of argument, you haven't provided any actual reasoning to argue against, at any point.
Yes I have, you're either not smart enough to understand it or are ignoring it completely, and as a side bonus you're one of those "that guy" types who can't take a hint and has to turn every conversation you have on Ganker into an argument because your internalized level of self worth is directly tied into how well you think you do when arguing with strangers about shit that literally doesn't matter on an anonymous imageboard
Man you seem severely mentally challenged.
You come in, desperately trying to posture, and pull rank over other people. And then when people point out you're wrong, you try to psychoanalyze them for the truly bizarre act of arguing with you when you argue with them.
> Maybe if I deflect hard enough he'll let me go
Nope, frick off - you're wrong, you're alone in your dumb opinion, and the psychological assessment was spot on.
>Doesn't know what deflection is
>Tries to wheel out the internet tough guy routine saying he won't let me go
>Desperately holding on and trying to get the last word
>Thinks the multiple people who have refuted him are all me
It really seems like your assessment was really about you. But you really shouldn't base your self esteem on this, because you absolutely suck at it.
All i'm hearing is projection and emotional immaturity from you.
Nope, you're still responding because you know you are wrong, and you know you are deflecting, and you cannot stop replying because I won't let you.
I can play your moronic ego like a gameboy, kek. Reply again you gay moron.
Thatcher ass fricked labour in three elections, they hated her, their kids hated her and their grandkids hated her. Whenever Thatcher was mentioned you'd have people wishing her dead. Lefties danced in the street when she died and the onlooking BBC reporters would say "she was a controversial figure". You're just a delusional foreigner talking about things they don't understand.
that mini isnt even a studio model its just some guys idea of a joke
And has nothing to do with the space ork thing
You fricking dumb dysgenic piece of dog shit
the scary thing is when you realise leftists do this all the time like the Gaza hospital thing
Andy Chambers deboonked it because it was disrespectful to a government figure, which is frowned upon in the UK. If you watch her old speeches you'll see the similarities, she could be a colossal b***h. That's before you get to the blatantly obvious similarity between "maguruk thraka" and "margaret thatcher".
>it was disrespectful to a government figure, which is frowned upon in the UK
literally the most incorrect post I have ever seen on this board, well done anon
it's not even right either, ffs can people at least pull from good examples, like a good chunk of the random plot generator for a start.
Why the frick would he bring up all that specific detail if it was made up?
If it was made up he'd just say "COMPLETE COINCIDENCE HAHA"
because people kept asking about it you unable to infer context fricktard
I think it's more likely that he was just telling the truth and you're a wrong moron.
People tend to add lots of extra details when they're lying to try and make their story sound more legitimate.
If ghaz wasn't a reference to her than he would have just said something like "Yeah they're not related, we just thought it was a cool name" or something like that.
>People tend to add lots of extra details when they're lying to try and make their story sound more legitimate.
This is more or less the story of this thread. "It's a laugh" anons just drop facts and dip. Grimderps have artistically detailed backstories to their lore posts.
This is the copest of all copes.
A genuinely culturally significant cope.
No need to concede, my good man, we already knew you had lost before you even began.
Also, autocorrect gifted us as I guess artism is like autism.
Only if it's the kind of lie where they're really trying to convince you.
Not when it's just something a higher up told you to throw out.
>ghaz wasn't a reference to her than he would have just said something like "Yeah they're not related, we just thought it was a cool name" or something like that.
Not if there was an interesting story behind it. What you said would just be him lying for no reason.
>make up a story about something, based on nothing
>person who wrote that something corrects you
>Make up another story based on nothing about how he's lying and actually the story you made up is true
Wew
All true, personally I just hate it when redditors try to describe something over simply so they can wrap a bow on it and dismiss any discussion.
>le 40k has ALWAYS been satire that ripped off Warcraft
>heh, actually Warcraft ripped off warhammer kid! And there’s literally not a single bit of “satire” in it
It’s all wankery just to feel smart and have “the right answer” and it’s very often just repeated information, not someone’s original thoughts on the matter which make it even more annoying.
Personally I’d compare 40K to something like D&D. It’s a mix of genre tropes, folklore, ripped ideas from other hobbies and games, satire, modern culture, and a million other things. And that’s what makes it fun. You can have a heartfelt backstory for your characters that people think is cool OR you can just have fun playing as football hooligans with guns made of scrap. Or do both. It doesn’t matter, the setting is too big to be one thing.
its not all true you lying halfwit stfu. Uncritical fricking parrot
How obese are you
stfu you mentally diseased pindick moron
>M'Shen killing monologuing Konrad Kurze
>Angry Ron
>Lion El Johnson
totally serious setting since the beginning you guys
>dude what if orks and elves but in space
It fricking better be.
my favorite chapter by far. These Black folk have the best aesthetic with all the augmentations.
That's just how GW does things.
> See also: Space Wolves and their Wolf Calvary and Wolf Scouts and Canis Lupis wolfmen and the le no wolves on fenris and the wolftime
> See also: Blood Angels and their successor chapters the Blood Drinkers and Blood Knights and the Blood Hunters and the Knights of Blood and the Blood this and the Blood that and their sanguinary priests and a primarch literally named Sanguinius
Iron Hands are pretty based. Other chapters have all sorts of moral conundrums and difficult choices, but the IH are basically just cold, methodical turboautists who are capable of bringing an unimaginable level of disdain and cruelty to their enemies.
They are honestly at a prime junction for a renaissance though, it would be interesting if some of their clans started to embrace emotion in line with Ferrus Manus' original ideals for the legion. The Iron Hands are in possession of his skull and at least one of his hands, and he's been cloned a shitload of times by Fulgrim, so if GW is going to continue releasing primarchs it would be interesting to see him come back, either as a clone or as the rumored member of the Legion of the Damned that he was heavily hinted as being in master of mankind.
Not my army (I paint the struts on the wienerpits of my stormtalons), but I still like the way it looks.
I thought legume of the dammed are just guys who caught a warp disease and are slowly dying off and appear to defeat the enemigos of the imperio before then.
Anyway Manus or Sanguinius is the next most likely to come back because GW has shown they are more likely to bring back primarchs who are thought to be outright dead or in 'permanent stasis' than Primarchs who are known to probably be alive like Corvus or Jaghtai. Probably because it's easier to justify bringing them back in a flashy way early in the primarch return cycle.
>legume of the dammed
>it would be interesting if some of their clans started to embrace emotion in line with Ferrus Manus' original ideals for the legion.
Their curent chapter master and Iron Father Feirros are doing this.
>I thought legume of the dammed are just guys who caught a warp disease and are slowly dying off and appear to defeat the enemigos of the imperio before then.
I think it's ultimately supposed to be a mystery. ADB confirmed that Ferrus and co. in Master of Mankind were just fiery spectres conjured by the Emperor and not the Legion of the Damned.
Let me tell you about the Ultra marines that are ultramarine and are called the Ultramarines,
The best part is that they're blue, but not actually ultramarine blue.
Them not actually being Ultramarine Blue™ should be fricking illegal.
They are cobalt, that's the joke.
gg
I never understood why they had genetic mutations to enhance themselves, then mechanical augments when they could have just skipped to the mechanical augments
They're not mutually exclusive and presumably do different things. Also, mechanical parts inevitably have to replace biological ones and not everyone wants to cut off a perfectly good hand.
bros I love mechadendrites with guns on them and ammo chains so goddamn much. I wish there were more modular bits like that.
Genetic enhancement allows you to handle better cybernetic enhancements
By far the lamest Legion.
I'm glad he's be killed so early.
I'm saddened the angry cyborg marines aren't fleshed out properly or that GW threw away their clan system for the sake of a normal codex chapter organization.
Lorelet detected
>GW threw away their clan system for the sake of a normal codex chapter organization.
wtf when did this happen. even in the 9th codex they still have the clan system.
I dunno it's like he made up a counterfactual to complain about for no reason.
sorry, i just always assume that everything i like has been removed, ruined or made non-canon. this is the first time i'm wrong
m8 you have to stop these dumbass assumptions. It would behoove you to check prior to posting. Iron Hands are just fine, they are the same as they always have been. A radically different kind of chapter, that is slightly moronic, where the members regularly reach the age of 700 or so. They have the coolest aesthetic and are always written to be dickheads out of nowhere near the end of their stories.
Clan Raukaan Codex Supplement. All the Clan Companies work closer to how Codex companies work.
No. Because they still have personalities despite turning themselves into murder toasters. And after the Clan Raukaan stuff they have even more personality.
>>Clan Raukaan Codex Supplement. All the Clan Companies work closer to how Codex companies work.
How so?
They all don't really have specialists. They all have their particular quirks like borgos obeying. They have always had some clans perform different tasks but this doesn't mean its as rigid as regular clan companies. you're grasping.
They need to fix them by making them even more Scottish.
>angry cyborg marines aren't fleshed out properly
Isn't that the definition of a cyborg?
For me, it's Angry Ron.
Wait until people realize Corvux Corax is the scientific name for the common raven.
What was the difference really between these guys and the iron warriors. Cybernetics and a slightly less autistic primarch?
Iron Hands hate themselves
Iron Warriors hate everyone else
>Clan based chapter with a vaguely Scottish vibe
>from Medusa
>Roman based chapter
>from Macragge
Why did the design documents get so mixed up? It's like how the top guy is named Horus and the Egyptian guy is named Magnus.
>Magnus the Red
>is blue
all this leads me to believe is that primarchs can change back to human form at will from demon prince form.
There's no reason they shouldn't be able to physically do so. It's their souls that are fricked after all. Their form as princes is a reflection of their psyche not simple mutation.
I thought he was 'the Red' because he was a ginger.
>the magnus heresy
idk doesnt sound right
I was about to suggest the Magnus Mayhem, but that sounds more like a wrestling event or a monster truck rally.
>that sounds more like a wrestling event or a monster truck rally.
That'd be better
>scottish
are you tarded? they are obviously greek. Just because they use the word clan doesnt mean they are scottish you utterly moronic mutt
horus was associated with the heir to the throne among other things, lupercalia is a roman cave and festival beginning in the caves of celebrating the founder twins whose sin of legally justified fratricide echoes the mass betrayal and civil wars the empire's famous for. Really Horus is named Crown-Prince Cofounder.
>legion based entirely around soviet warfare
>cold, bitter, humorless, just like the stereotypical slav
>most well known meme about them is marines squatting with adidas stripes on their armor
>the characters are all greek for some reason
IH are cool.
Shame GW doesn't seem to think so.
bro, the angry primarch is called angron. they didnt do poetry in naming.
Revolver Ocelot.
>long ago in a basement far away
>Frick dude I can't think of any more names.
>Steal some from mythology. Wait is that a Latin-English dictionary? Look up stuff like blood and death.
>name is Götz of the Iron Hand
>he's gotz an iron hand
Wooow. How original. Also fun fact but this guy popularized the phrase "kiss my ass"
>tfw one of the most vulgar back-talks came from a knight
Reichsritter were a bunch of shitters and mercenaries.
Makes perfect sense. He had iron hands so people referred to him by his iron hands and when he joined his legions it was named after him. It's simple and straightforward.
Compare to Corvus Corax. As a child he was named Corvus and when he led his people in revolution he was given a second name, Corax, meaning "Saviour" in their language. So this birdbrain's name isn't Latin for "common raven," it's a homophone that means Corvus the Saviour. When the Emperor arrived and gave him command of his legion, by complete happenstance, for no evident reason, it had already been named the Raven Guard. And while that matched with Corvus the Saviour's name just fine, by all appearances that match is totally incidental rather than intentional.
OMG AND HE SAID THAT LINE NEVER MORE WHICH IS A QUIP BY ONE OF MY FAVOURITE MARVEL WRITERS
> name is Purturabo
> translation is warrior of iron
> legion is called Iron Warriors
> soldiers have iron aesthetic
Did Shamlayan write these rules
Perturabo doesnt translate to warrior of iron, its a pun on 'Disturbed' and 'Perdurabo' meaning 'I shall endure'
Why wasn't the Legion called Endurance Men
The Emperor decided to call him Lord of Iron on the spot so it probably made sense to extend that to the rest of the legion.
RT redditors are annoying
>perturabo
>means “he who endures”
>character is known for enduring a lot of punishment
>and being perturbed by it
>sanguinius
>sanguine means “optimistic even in dire situations” also “bloody red”
>character is known for inspiring the imperium in its darkest days
>character is also bloody red
There’s lots of these.
Yo mama got no legs. Her nickname is No Legs.
Presented by Hideo Kojima
Wait til you hear about his ship.
Iron Hands are the coldest motherfrickers in the imperium and their mental illness is easily one of the most interesting quirks among the space marines.
> herp derp GW would never name their characters after prominent members of UK politics in the 1980s, no siree
Try cracking a fricking book sometime you uncultured trivs.
Even the Iron Hands thread isn't about the Iron Hands...
>excuse me commisar, but why are they named the Iron Hands when iron is a notoriously brittle medal? Whouldn't it make more sense to be named after a stronger medal like diamond?
Everyone knows rune is the strongest medal
Legit this is how I remember names for my NPC's in my D&D game. Shop Keeper "Sai' el Merkant" from Amn. Big strong left hand of BBEG "Haluk Strawng" etc.... maybe I missed my calling.
Did somebody say iron hands thread?
>blood ravens
>they steal valuable items
seriously?