Super is a b***h for games. Battle of Gods and F are a couple fights at most, the Universe 6 Tournament is a bunch of fight in the same place, Shit starts having enough variety from Zamazu onwards
>can heal to the point of curing blindness >conjures up a bunch of shit out of nothing and turns people into food >randomly gets abilities he needs like being able to scream hard enough to create an a portal to leave the time chamber or to just learn instant transmission so he can destroy everything
Buu's more fun than people give him credit for.
I like when he becomes earth it's like a movie ending but in an arc, I like how big he is in the robe when he escapes prison, looking like a ripoff star wars emperor. If I was a kid when moro was a character I would've bought all his "forms"
>Get to the very end of DBZ Kakarot's DLCs and expansions >Ends on a retrospective of the series with the full version of Dan Dan in the background
My fricking Kokoro would hikareteiku.
Spirit vs Spirit is both one of my favorite Dragon Ball and Kageyama songs, but in general I love early DB insert songs more like Mezase Tenkaichi and LONELY WURUFU.
>Super Saiyan 4 is a better transformation than Super Saiyan God and Blue.
This is the truth. Perhaps they will give Broley a SSJ4 form while Goku n Vegeta get to keep their God forms.
>and SS4 is the only super form that makes sense
It makes no fricking sense whatsoever.
11 months ago
Anonymous
it makes perfect sense. Super Saiyan forms are supposed to be unlocked through raw emotion. Its why SSJ3 sucks dick
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Super Saiyan forms are supposed to be unlocked through raw emotion.
You realise ss4 wasn't, right?
1 was anger
2 was anger
3 was offscreen
4 was calming down
11 months ago
Anonymous
4 was love, dumbass. Goku recognizes Pan, then he stares at the earth.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>love
No, no it wasn't. The ss4 unlock was rationality and control, that's why Vegeta could instantly do it because he was always in control of his great ape form but decided to frick with Goku instead.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Toei was just rushing through their plans while the show was failing and had to get Vegeta up to speed, nothing about his end of SS4 matters.
11 months ago
Anonymous
And yet it matches up exactly with Goku's unlock.
11 months ago
Anonymous
4 was about controlled anger, as in taming the beast (giant ape) inside, anon. Please tell me you didn't just get filtered by GT.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Please tell me you didn't just get filtered by GT.
You're saying that while interpreting it wrong.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Exactly how was that wrong?
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Super Saiyan forms are supposed to be unlocked through raw emotion.
You realise ss4 wasn't, right?
1 was anger
2 was anger
3 was offscreen
4 was calming down
SSJ4 is the best transformation because it uses every single other transformation in a perfect combination
>oozaru
sayian needs to have a tail so he becomes a giant ape >SSJ
Sayian needs to explode with rage >SSJ2
Sayian needs finaly control his emotions and let his power explode instead of his rage >SSJ3
Sayian needs to asf ahaihf do hg pghsopughso asihf ã and scream a lot
>SSJ4
Sayian needs to have a tail then he needs to turn into a oozaru, then turn into a super sayian while being a oozaru then control your emotions WHILE screaming a lot
the PERFECT transformation
11 months ago
Anonymous
lmao, Black person, none of the transformations need anything besides an ever increasing number of ki/S-cells to pull off
it's why Goten&Trunks can go SSJ and why Gotenks can go SSJ3 so easily, they all have a disgusting amount of base power so they can bruteforce it without any problems
SSJ4 is so out of place with its moronic blutz wave moonmagic shit
11 months ago
Anonymous
>it's why Goten&Trunks can go SSJ and why Gotenks can go SSJ3 so easily
cause goku could already go super sayian when he fricked chichi
11 months ago
Anonymous
>S-cells is totaly ok bru, even though they are NEVER mentioned anywhere in the whole series
>but the waves from the moon that were explained in og dragon ball and had vegeta using a FAKE moon atack to tranasform into a oozaru? >nah man that doesnt make sense
11 months ago
Anonymous
>but the waves from the moon that were explained in og dragon ball and had vegeta using a FAKE moon atack to tranasform into a oozaru?
Not only did blutz waves never come up before GT here's a fun fact, the blutz waves in GT never come from the moon at any point!
11 months ago
Anonymous
yeah cause you can fake it by using a ki wave
created by an average fighter the genius scientist Bardock
11 months ago
Anonymous
>yeah cause you can fake it by using a ki wave
Anon, that's not blutz waves.
11 months ago
Anonymous
moron >INB4 But is not ze blutz waves )'=
They function the same exact way
11 months ago
Anonymous
>radiation
Why did you even post this like it retroactively became blutz waves?
11 months ago
Anonymous
W-What do you think radiation is?
11 months ago
Anonymous
Not blutz waves.
Obviously.
11 months ago
Anonymous
NTA but in GT blutz waves are entirely different things
11 months ago
Anonymous
I'll never forgive GT for introducing blutz waves. Such absolute bullshit.
>>It's not torriyummi
No one cares that it wasn't made by Tori. Hell most find Heroes more entertaining than GT because it isn't written by tori. >>Why is it so weird
GT is the most by the numbers shit ever especially since Goku always gets the win and has all of the major fights.
's my power levels
Anon, GT literally is all about power levels except the Super 17 finisher. The super saiyan friendship ring is the worst example of that since it was just an excuse to power up Goku more than the enemy and they use it twice.
Also it went against Goku's character to do it.
>No one cares that it wasn't made by Tori.
That is literally the #1 fricking thing people whine about >Non sequitur about being "weird" completely sidestepping the actual thing people b***h about and complaining about Goku being the main character
idiot
11 months ago
Anonymous
>That is literally the #1 fricking thing people whine about
No, it isn't. >Non sequitur
You don't even know what this word means do you. >about being "weird" completely sidestepping the actual thing people b***h about
Because no one b***hes about it being weird because every concept that isn't the shadow dragons was already done before GT existed.
First arc is DB complete with an Oolong rip off episode.
Baby is Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans with a tuffle machine designed for revenge against the saiyans.
Super 17 is Fusion Reborn and Super Android 13. >and complaining about Goku being the main character
It's not that Goku ie the main character it's that Goku is literally the only one who has major fights.
And I see you didn't say anything about the power levels because you know it and the friendship circle the breaks his character is bullshit.
>Get to the very end of DBZ Kakarot's DLCs and expansions >Ends on a retrospective of the series with the full version of Dan Dan in the background
My fricking Kokoro would hikareteiku.
Anime Expo next week, Bandai Namco has announced their presence there and said new games will be shown, Tenkaichi 4 is definitely a "new game" since that reveal teaser was never actually formally released to the press by Bamco, the trailer was shown by unaffiliated channels and Bamco just let the hype buzz flow through those redirects.
Dragonball games sure have gotten long DLC cycles since Xenoverse 2, if they sell millions to make Bamco happy then they get new content years after the original release.
Xeno2 is fricking wild. I've remembered and forgotten about that game so many times and there are people who genuinely have been playing since day one.
- Battle of Gods
- Resurrection of F
- Bardock Special
- Tenkaichi Budokai all the way back with Piccolo vs Goku
- End of Z
The order is all over the place, and I'm surprised they haven't milked Broly's popularity yet, then again with the weird order of releases he might still come out later.
Battle of Gods is an odd one because the movie was Z, but the anime version was Super.
They could really scrape for content and do DLC for that special with Tarble in it.
If they did Resurrection F they could maybe do bits of Super like the tournament of power, or that one sparring match during Super Hero, but the point of that movie was it focused on Piccolo and Gohan.
No Battle of Gods was clearly the next entry of Dragon Ball. It's just that it wasn't in stone just yet. It's the same situation as the Boruto light novels that were a part of the Naruto gaiden series but were clearly meant to later supplement Boruto's world since we only had that one chapter of Boruto out.
>No Battle of Gods was clearly the next entry of Dragon Ball
Nah, it was originally going to be a one off by toei about a space virus and SSG was originally supposed to be buff and have a cape.
Then Tori stepped in and salvaged that mess.
It'd be more accurate to say that RoF was supposed to be the next entry of Dragonball.
>He almost made Goku into Chrono
Sounds based, and explains why it made Goku skinny.
>crono >buff with a cape
That's from when Toei was still messing with the idea of what Battle of Gods should be about, but it was still started under Toriyama. Don't forget that Toriyama honestly returned to Dragon Ball because he got so pissy over Evolution that he decided he could make a better continuation over that movie. >Dragon Ball once became a thing of the past to me, but after that, I got angry about the live-action movie, re-wrote an entire movie script, and now I'm complaining about the quality of the new TV anime, so it seems that DB has grown on me much that I can't leave it alone.
No he didn't lmao, BoG was a complete Toei script that he was contractually obligated to read through and "consult", due to it being a Z branded movie.
At the behest of nobody, and partly due to butthurt at DB Evolution, he took a giant shit on the Toei script when his liaison sent it over and rewrote it into a joke. It was literally the same movie, he just replaced the villain with his cat and shit like that.
But this meant the movie could be marketed with TORIYAMO CANON (Toriyama's name was literally a brand shamelessly milked post-DB by Shueisha and Toei), which made everybody see dollar signs, including Toriyama.
11 months ago
Anonymous
And by the same movie, I literally mean it was the same movie. >Beerus was originally Virus, the lizardman God of Destruction with a Baby-esque power, which he turned into his cat and renamed beer as a pisstake >SSG was always a thing, but it was originally a half SSJ3 half SSJ4 mix, which he rewrote into twinkshitter design you get via holding hands >the central event was Krillin and 18's wedding, which he rewrote into Bulma's birthday to laugh at how old the character is >the dragonballs were meant to be stolen by some rando comedy ninjas, which he turned into baby Pilaf gang to shit on GT, because they were geriatrics there >he wanted to change all the Bulma family hair to blue, because lmao frick you, but Toei decided to keep Trunks with normal hair (until Super, when Toriyama finally pulled off his troll job)
As you can see, he changed jack of shit regarding the movie. All he did was swap out superficial details into pisstake versions.
For some reason everyone is too fricking dumb to see this, and he doesn't give a shit and will accept a giant paycheck to do nothing, so this was the launching pad for Super.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>>the central event was Krillin and 18's wedding,
Wait, they had a kid out of wedlock?
11 months ago
Anonymous
Almost everything he said was made up so take it with a grain of salt.
>but it was still started under Toriyama
It's was all initiated by toei. Tori didn't have a hand in it.
Also in this interview he outright says he didn't give any thoughts to a sequel or any kind of follow up.
https://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/battle-gods-animanga-akira-toriyama/ >What about future developments in Dragon Ball? >To be honest, I haven’t given it any thought at all.
>If there’s another movie, would you want to be involved? >I don’t think I’d want to be actively involved, but if I get a request and I have the time, I suppose I might.
But by the time of RoF we already know Zamasu was conceptualised because he said Blue was originally supposed to have white hair but would have clashed with the next antagonist.
11 months ago
Anonymous
SSGSS was clearly not planned, he just shat it out because SSG was shit and he was asked for a replacement that wasn't shit.
To which he shat out blue SS, because that man could not give less of a frick and doesn't care.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>SSGSS was clearly not planned,
Anon, everything after BoG was planned whether you like it or not.
https://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/dragon-ball-super-manga-vol-1-tori-toyo-interview-web-version/ >Toriyama: >In Battle of Gods it was red, so I figured for Revival of “F” I should go with blue. That’s all (laughs). Well, actually I was thinking about having it be white, but then it would color-clash with the “next enemy”… so I figured I should save it for another occasion (laughs).
11 months ago
Anonymous
>"it was planned" >links unrelated shit
Anon, you are illiterate. I said blue wasn't planned because it's clearly a reaction to SSG failing miserably and replacing it with a "safe" recolor of normal SS between movies.
To which you link him talking about shit post-RoF.
Lmao what.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Not only did god not fail the link I gave you shows that everything was in fact planned out with Blue being the way it was because of the existence of Zamasu.
That means that by the time of RoF Tori had already planned all the way up to the future saga arc
11 months ago
Anonymous
>everything was planned
Black person, you are illiterate. He is talking about ideas for post-RoF, how the frick does that mean it was planned as back BoG?
SSGSS was a kneejerk reaction to SSG sucking shit, which is why it replaced it off screen.
>to SSG failing miserably
The frick are you talking about? How did God fail when it was received extremely well?
>it was received extremely well?
Lmao the nugay stench. Merch for it was abysmally bad and everyone not on the >it's good because Toriyama made it! (aka TFStrannies)
line of cope thought it was underwhelming at best, fricking shit if we're being honest.
It's why it was literally dumped by an OFF-SCREEN TRANSFORMATION WITH 0 BUILD UP for the next movie.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>He is talking about ideas for post-RoF,
You mean, the PLAN he had made for the series up until the future saga?
How are you not getting this? >SSGSS was a kneejerk reaction to SSG sucking shit
No, no it wasn't.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>MUH PLAN
Your autism is clearly fueling your illiteracy. >No, no it wasn't.
Yes, he planned an unannounced transformation with 0 build up to immediately eclipse the brand new transformation he just made in the last movie. This is very much inline with his style of never doing things this way, because it's moronic.
The level of purebred gullible moron you have to be to even entertain this notion is lost on you.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Your autism is clearly fueling your illiteracy.
You're saying that like you aren't angry because you can't comprehend Tori planning ahead even though there's evidence that he did. >he planned an unannounced transformation with 0 build up to immediately eclipse the brand new transformation he just made in the last movie.
Yes. It's dragonball and a movie all about Frieza, they're not going to have a movie using the base god form when they can mirror the original SS Goku and Frieza fight.
Understand?
>This is very much inline with his style of never doing things this way
Are you genuinely trying to say that tori wrote DB and all of his other works without planning it out first?
11 months ago
Anonymous
>TRUST MUH PLAN
Learn to read, Black person. >Yes.
You are fundamentally incapable of comprehending how basic fricking storytelling and narrative structure works.
Congratulation for proving you are abhorrently autistic. Stick to crayons. >"Are you genuinely trying to say that tori wrote DB and all of his other works without planning it out first?"
I know it's difficult to read when you're an illiterate autist, but the second sentence was building off of the one prior to it.
Learn to read before replying you autistc mongoloid. Then jump off a bridge.
>Merch sales were bad
No, no they weren't. Merch sales skyrocketed for the first time in decades when the movie came out.
Who told you that?
>THEY'RE THE ONES THAT SHILLED THE SHITTY TRANSFORMATION
Yeah sure they did. Because everyone knows TFS for shilling DB and insulting the ever loving frick out of it. Hell they're the reason people call golden Frieza a fricking recolor.
>talk about SSG >mention merch sold like shit for the transformation >"but the movie increased merch sales"
You're straight dumb, homosexual. >Yeah sure they did.
Lmao, you're really going out of your way to prove you're a moronic secondary. They were the biggest shills for BoG, Black person.
And, Golden Freeza is a recolor, that's not even arguable. Fricking dilate.
11 months ago
Anonymous
MUH PLAN
Do you even know what this means?
Actually after reading the rest of your response it's clear you don't given nothing you've said changes the facts.
You're clearly just screeching because you don't want to be wrong.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>spends entire time embarrassing self with illiteracy >"I was right"
no more (you)s, gay
11 months ago
Anonymous
Anon, if you don't want to argue anymore just don't make the post and especially don't put the post number in slow moving thread.
11 months ago
Anonymous
merch sold like shit for the transformation >>"but the movie increased merch sales" >You're straight dumb, homosexual.
Are you an idiot? There is no separating the introductory movie of SSG from the merch released for the movie.
You're saying it failed when it clearly fricking didn't. >you're really going out of your way to prove you're a moronic secondary. They were the biggest shills for BoG, Black person.
How is a TFS fan calling other people secondaries? I bet you think that Goku is a bad dad too. >Golden Freeza is a recolor
Case in point.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Merch for it was abysmally bad
What are you even talking about? Do you even know what kind of merch it had?
Did you even pay attention to DB back then? >TFStrannies
Oh, that explains everything.
You only know DB though Abridged jokes so you think everyone hated it because they probably made a joke.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>What are you even talking about? what kind of merch it had?
Merch sales were bad, you fricking autist. >Did you even pay attention to DB back then?
Project harder, nufan larper homosexual. >You only know DB though Abridged jokes
THEY'RE THE ONES THAT SHILLED THE SHITTY TRANSFORMATION, YOU DUMB Black person
NON-TFSTRANNIES&NON-KANZENSHUUgayS WERE THE ONES THAT WERE SHITTING ON IT, BECAUSE IT WAS TERRIBLE
Holy frick, could you be a more seethrough tourist homosexual.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Merch sales were bad
No, no they weren't. Merch sales skyrocketed for the first time in decades when the movie came out.
Who told you that?
>THEY'RE THE ONES THAT SHILLED THE SHITTY TRANSFORMATION
Yeah sure they did. Because everyone knows TFS for shilling DB and insulting the ever loving frick out of it. Hell they're the reason people call golden Frieza a fricking recolor.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>It's why it was literally dumped by an OFF-SCREEN TRANSFORMATION WITH 0 BUILD UP
You mean like SS3 did to 2?
Jokes aside do you really need to know how they trained to get it? No one had a problem with grade 2, 3 and SS3 so why is this a problem?
11 months ago
Anonymous
>You mean like SS3 did to 2?
You mean the transformation that has a large setpiece dedicated to its reveal, which itself is a surprise twist with BUILD UP TO THE TWIST ITSELF?
As opposed to the recolor that was announced via a poster and Goku&Vegita just have it without an fanfare from the start?
If you cannot comprehend the issue and the difference, you are legitimately autistic. >Jokes aside do you really need to know how they trained to get it?
IT'S NOT ABOUT TRAINING YOU homosexual, IT'S ABOUT NARRATIVE SET-UPS AND PAY-OFFS
YOU KNOW, THE FUNDAMENTALS OF THIS SHIT CALLED "STORYTELLING".
YOU MIGHT'VE SEEN IT USED 8521 TIMES IN DB.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>You mean the transformation that has a large setpiece dedicated to its reveal >anime only watcher
Do I even need to bother.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>I didn't watch or read DB
Do Supergays really. >"Anon, you literally don't need them at this point. " >in response to >FUNDAMENTALS OF THIS SHIT CALLED "STORYTELLING"
Omg, I can count your IQ after you typed that horseshit. jfc you are dumb beyond reason. >muh training scenes >in response to >IT'S NOT ABOUT TRAINING YOU homosexual, IT'S ABOUT NARRATIVE SET-UPS AND PAY-OFFS
You are really driving home that only the truly stupid defends this shit.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>IT'S NOT ABOUT TRAINING YOU homosexual, IT'S ABOUT NARRATIVE SET-UPS AND PAY-OFFS >YOU KNOW, THE FUNDAMENTALS OF THIS SHIT CALLED "STORYTELLING".
Anon, you literally don't need them at this point. You know Goku and Vegeta won't be satisfied with that level of power, you know God is just their base with red hair.
The next obvious route is a super super saiyan god.
It's dragonball they've been doing that same song and dance for years before you were born.
>YOU MIGHT'VE SEEN IT USED 8521 TIMES IN DB.
Do you have any idea how many times they've skipped training scenes.
11 months ago
Anonymous
here's your (you)
>I didn't watch or read DB
Do Supergays really. >"Anon, you literally don't need them at this point. " >in response to >FUNDAMENTALS OF THIS SHIT CALLED "STORYTELLING"
Omg, I can count your IQ after you typed that horseshit. jfc you are dumb beyond reason. >muh training scenes >in response to >IT'S NOT ABOUT TRAINING YOU homosexual, IT'S ABOUT NARRATIVE SET-UPS AND PAY-OFFS
You are really driving home that only the truly stupid defends this shit.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>to SSG failing miserably
The frick are you talking about? How did God fail when it was received extremely well?
11 months ago
Anonymous
>SSGSS was clearly not planned, he just shat it out because SSG was shit and he was asked for a replacement that wasn't shit. >To which he shat out blue SS, because that man could not give less of a frick and doesn't care.
Current Toriyama actively dislikes elaborate transformation. Toei had some original Super Saiyan God design with some new outfit and an aggressive SSJ3-like design and that got thrown away by Toriyama for the simple red hair form we have.
It's not that he can't design a better transformation (well, it's partially), it's also that he doesn't -want- something that would actually change their designs significantly nowadays, so we're stuck with color swaps for established characters as long as Toriyama is still working on DB.
11 months ago
Anonymous
That's the best way to go about it to be fair. You don't want DB to get star warsed.
Have you played Kakarot? The game is all about "expanding" the events of Sagas and arcs, pretty much making new filler and using famous ones like Goku earning his driver's license, to have Goku and everyone live their daily lives doing smaller things while in anticipation to the next big event. The DLC will likely have the cast do a bunch of smaller things before the tournament happens and Goku flies away with Uub.
I could probably see them trying to connect it to Super in some ways, considering EoZ takes place after Super. Also, maybe incorporate Tarble somewhere in there.
Just a reminder that Goku believed Uub had the potential to surpass him in strength and took him on as an apprentice, and even after fusing with Majin Buu, I'd say Uub was barely SSJ3 tier. There is no way Uub was going to reach SSG or fricking Ultra Instinct levels of power, of course this was before Super so I guess at the time he would be considered strong enough, even though Goku went and trained with Shenron as well, and we never found out how strong he became training with Shenron, nor what Shenron actually taught him.
>and even after fusing with Majin Buu, I'd say Uub was barely SSJ3 tier.
That's one of the sad parts about GT, Uub was such wasted potential. Being Kid Buu in human form who had immense strength as a child he should be way stronger than SS3 with none of the drawbacks before fusing with Buu and using with Buu should have given him more Majin features.
Yeah, they blew it with Uub, Goku had to go SSJ3 to defeat Kid Buu, so realistically I figured Uub when fused with Buu should have been STRONGER than SSJ3, more like SSJ4 or some shit, which in that regard would make him closer on par with Goku's max strength.
Six is nothing, Xenoverse 2 just recently had it's 14th DLC pack.
Xenoverse is an MMO style online game, Kakarot is not. It's an offline RPG style game and it doesn't need so many DLC's. I'm assuming the DLC's must be selling and making money, otherwise they wouldn't keep pumping them out, I just wasn't aware so many people still played Kakarot, or at least the DLC's .
Of course, Xenoverse hit 10 million around the same time as DLC 14. Still though, the game feels more like a hyper-fleshed out arena fighter than an actual full blown RPG. Maybe if Xenoverse 3 gets a big world to explore like Kakarot, then I'd agree. But for now, we gotta wait for Tenkaichi 4, fingers crossed it actually plays like a Tenkaichi game.
I hope there is finally some info on Budokai Tenkaichi 4 this saturday. Bamco is showing new games and giving info on the upccoming ones this Anime Expo. Hoping to see something good.
>played it and got the platinum for it on ps4 when it first came out >never went back for any of the DLC because the combat was pretty shit at the higher levels
Did the DLC fix things and not have every boss fight take a million years?
Yeah, na, it's a Saiyan transformation. Tenshinhan and Piccolo are martial artists too just like Goku and take it as seriously as him but could never learn it (they're not important enougg)
Literally all Tien does is train, even when he stops training it's just so he can make money so he can buy food and train more. Goku took a wife and sometimes gets whipped into domestic life, Tenshinhan did not take a wife so he has more time to grind.
>Literally all Tien does is train
You can't compare what tien does to what Goku does. The level of intensity in their training is completely different hell you say Goku is whipped but he regularly abandons his family to train for months at a time.
but only theoretically, kaioken and spirit bomb are also not saiyan things yet only Goku has ever used them ignore the spirit sword Trunks used because it contradicts what I'm saying and its dumb
the spirit bomb sword is extremely cool and possibly one of the only redeemable things in super. I pray that super fans do not all have as shit of taste as you.
whats dumb about it. it's cool, its thematically sound, it's got more behind it than any of the other power ups in super to that point.
11 months ago
Anonymous
because it makes no sense for Trunks to suddenly use a technique that Goku learned by training with King Kai,
11 months ago
Anonymous
>use a technique that Goku learned by training with King Kai,
It wasn't really a spirit bomb you know.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>giant ball of energy that gets stronger from people giving their engergy is not a spirit bomb
sounds like a spirit bomb to me,
11 months ago
Anonymous
Giving your energy to someone isn't the same thing as a spirit bomb.
That's like saying Goku defeated Broly with a spirit bomb because he did it with everyone's power.
11 months ago
Anonymous
why the frick not? he's fighting with everyones hopes on his back, everyone else in the series just kind of "figures out new abilities" on the fly so why couldn't he stumble into drawing on he power of everything around him that wants to survive in a desperate situation. it's more grounded than every transformation in the series after namek since at the very least, gokus power when he arrived on namek was well explained.
11 months ago
Anonymous
It genuinely feels more probable than his "not Broly" form that he got cuz he was angy.
11 months ago
Anonymous
why the frick? indeed why the frick not, its great
Yeah, na, it's a Saiyan transformation. Tenshinhan and Piccolo are martial artists too just like Goku and take it as seriously as him but could never learn it (they're not important enougg)
In the manga they let Roshi have a non-complete version of UI.
I like how people just pretend the later panels don't exist where Roshi couldn't actually land a hit and Jiren wasn't serious about fighting back until he got bored and eliminated him in one shot.
Anon, no one ignores it, it's just shouldn't have happened to begin with.
Jiren isn't a mook like the people Roshi eliminated in the anime Jiren is the main target of the arc.
>Shoot spirit bomb >Chadren throws it back at you >Become stronger and unlock new form
did Hackiyama run out of ideas and decide to use Zenkai boosts again?
That's just the anime version. In the manga Goku remembers all the lessons he learned from every master he has ever had (Roshi, Korin, Popo, King Kai, Whis, not sure if I'm forgetting anyone) and applies them all at once to enter Ultra Instinct.
Black person, you have FRICKING ROSHI outskilling Jiren to the point of making somewhat of a battle. Even if Jiren is literally millons of time faster than him, no skill is going to be usefull if the opponent can run circles around you...LITERALLY
11 months ago
Anonymous
Don't try to reason with spics, they will defend toyble with their lives.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Do you forget that after styling on him for a bit Roshi got knocked up by a light chop? Jiren just didn't want to rough up an old man too badly and got surprised.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Just the fact that it the fact lasted for any amount of time, it's stupid. As much as jiren is a moron that doesn't take his opponents seriously, when he does he instantly knocks them up (not actually knock them off the tournament, because toys of goku and Fem Broly would tank)
But it isn't. It's even introduced as Goku being told he always had the means to enter it through his masters' teachings but didn't know, and they didn't do some big flashy introduction of it either, he just uses it immediately and unconsciously.
11 months ago
Anonymous
That's what makes it stupid, they start off treating it like a skill like the anime but then they treat it like a power up half way through the arc and then double down in Moro and Granolah.
11 months ago
Anonymous
It was far cooler as a skill, a state of absolute calm that pulls forth the height of the user's ability that is otherwise inaccessible, with a price for misuse.
>gets an omega looking powerup complete with flashy giant beam in the sky blinding everyone
This was so fricking stupid. UI wasn't a powerup like the traditional SS forms where you just gained more raw power and speed. UI was a state of mind that you can essentially see your opponents moves coming before they strike allowing you to move through them effortlessly.
Both the UI Omen transformation (shown) and the MUI transformation where he sucks up the power of the universe are fricking moronic in how they're shown. Neither are an actual powerup, yet they're treated visually as one.
There's no giant explosion of power when going into UI or MUI. It's fricking stupid.
Literally everything I said was correct.
UI/MUI isn't a powerup transformation like SS. It doesn't make your raw power or speed any better. All it does is essentially removes that part of your brain that has to think through your moves and allows you to defend/attack effortlessly without thought or concern.
That's it. That's the entire form. it doesn't grant extra speed. It doesn't grant extra strength. It's quite literally just a peace of mind state that allows Goku to dodge shit and punch with more conviction and focus.
>All it does is essentially removes that part of your brain that has to think through your moves and allows you to defend/attack effortlessly without thought or concern.
No, not even close.
It essentially unlocks the body's full potential and allows the body to react to oncoming threats autonomously in the best way the fighter can.
The full potential part is important because both the anime and manga has that be a detriment to Goku and Moro respectively because their bodies can't contain the increasing power because they're not used to using it
>No, not even close.
That's quite literally exactly how it's explained in the manga, and the anime, and then the manga two more times.
You're thinking of Gokus third UI form where he essentially taps into SSB while UI that he's only able to keep up for about 10 seconds during the Granolah arc.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>That's quite literally exactly how it's explained in the manga, and the anime, and then the manga two more times.
You should probably read and watch it then because that's not in either of them.
I cant remember GT but Super is so abysmally shit I wouldnt be surprised, I miss when Dragonball looked like that instead of the weird plastic look it has now
As someone who will shit on GT any time of the day, I will give it credit for actually having the entire cast participate. It may have been lame that Majuub, Goten and Trunks got annihilated on the daily but they at least tried.
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What you forget about SSJ4 Gogeta you morons, it's that he was acting like that to taunt Omega and make him use his Negative Energy Ball, Gogeta then used a counterattack and reversed the polarity of the attack, turning that Energy Ball into a Positive one to clean the earth's atmosphere and nerf Omega, Vegito did the same shit with Buuhan.
GT haters are so moronic, I swear
He could have achieved this by beating Omega like a stepchild until the dragon used it out of desperation when on his last leg.
I knew I wasn't watching the same series that GT left off anymore when Krillin went off to fight Frieza but 18 just stayed home to watch her child when Bulma exists to babysit. Frick right off, when Space Hitler is coming to town, you bring EVERYONE to the fight.
>what is TOP arc >what is the Moro arc >what is Super Hero >what is Future Trunks arc
11 months ago
Anonymous
Awful and Goku centric.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>top arc was Goku centric when every u7 fighter had a major fight and it ended with Goku and Frieza double teaming Jiren and 17 being the overall winner >Moro arc was Goku centric when everyone was fighting on earth because Goku and Vegeta were stuck off world >Super Hero is Goku centric becuase he was off world for the entire movie and Gohan beat Cell Max >Future Trunks arc was Goku centric when Trunks has just as many fights and dealt the final physical blow to Zamasu
11 months ago
Anonymous
I'd even add the future arc since Trunks did a lot.
11 months ago
Anonymous
But I added Future trunks arc.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah my mistake dude.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I also forgot to add mini Super Hero prequel arc.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Future Trunks arc
God I can't believe what they did to my boy. There are characters in fiction who became villains after getting done dirty a tenth as hard as Trunk did after Goku Black.
>, I will give it credit for actually having the entire cast participate.
Which they don't really, it's called Goku time for a reason because Goku has the most screen time of any other character with everyone else jobbing for him.
Counterpoint: Most of Goku's SSJ4 debut was spent with him getting healed by his friends and family while Majuub gave Baby a stomachache.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, that doesn't change the fact that everyone was taken out by baby before and Goku was left to have extremely lengthy, poorly animated fights.
Same with Super 17 where you THINK 18 would play an important role at the end but just plays a distraction while Goku punches a hole in him.
Same with every shadow dragon except the poison water one and the wind one where it was a double team with pan.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>everyone was taken out by baby >just plays a distraction >double team with pan.
More participation than in Super.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>More participation than in Super.
Yeah no. The ToP alone beats the entirety of GT in Goku-less fights. >Gohan and Piccolo vs the u6 namekians >Gohan and Frieza vs Dyspo >Krillin and 18 vs Shosa >Roshi taking out 3 different people >Tien vs Harmila
And then everyone who's left fights off Aniraza
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Tien vs Harmila
I liked the part where he did the tribeam.
>As someone who will shit on GT any time of the day, I will give it credit for actually having the entire cast participate. It may have been lame that Majuub, Goten and Trunks got annihilated on the daily but they at least tried.
Huh... Tenshinhan? Yamcha? Even Piccolo just appears to die. Super has issues due to pushing Vegeta as a duo with Goku and that kind of stealing air from other characters, but it's still much better about featuring the supporting cast than GT was... even though Super itself isn't even good at it, GT's use of the cast was just that horrible.
I wonder if I would have liked the movie better if they didn't start it with that segment. I can't help but wonder what it would have been like if they animated it entirely like that.
this to me is why budoikai 4 was made. if the anime was still going on, im certain fighterz 2 would be in high production, but since the game uses so much material from the anime and manga, ASW cant do much with new characters yet. np voice actors for new cast, ect.
Based. I rewatched GT in japanese and it's unironically kino. It has its flaws, but not as many as Super. Super was a fricking mistake and shows people will lap up any garbage as long as it has tons of poorly written transformations and flashy colors
>How many new transformations did characters get in GT
All of them or just the protagonists?
Because GT still has Super beat with 2 while Super only has UI.
>All of them or just the protagonists?
All of the new transformations for existing characters. But even if we wanted to just argue the main characters (Goku/Vegeta), GT has SSJ4 and that's it. We can count the golden oozaru, if you want. That only makes 2 >Because GT still has Super beat with 2 while Super only has UI
Based moron. If you're gonna pretend to be moronic then just say it outright.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>All of the new transformations for existing characters
Okay
Golden ape
SS4
Majuub
Super 17
Black Smoke Shenron
That's five.
Also I forgot evo blue so that's 2 for super.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Okay and now Super:
SSJ Blue
SSJ Blue Evo
Kaio-Ken SSJ Blue
UI
Ultra Ego
Orange Piccolo
SSJ Rage
Beast Gohan
Black Frieza
That's 9 and not counting SSJ God and Golden Freeza, if you were gonna play semantics. That's also not counting side characters
11 months ago
Anonymous
>including blue when that was introduced in a Z movie >Including kaioken as a form >including rage as a form when it's just SS2
Talk about desperation.
By your logic this counts as a form
11 months ago
Anonymous
>including blue when that was introduced in a Z movie
Semantics >Including kaioken as a form
It's not Kaioken, it's SSJ Blue Kaioken. It was long established he couldn't use Kaioken and SSJ at the same time, Super lazily retconned that >including rage as a form when it's just SS2
Different colored hair, different length, massive power gap
I accept your concession
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Semantics
Hardly, RoF is a Z movie whether you like it or not. No one calls Abo and Cado Super characters after all. >it's SSJ Blue Kaioken.
Yes, a combination of an existing form introduced in a Z movie and a technique introduced in Z proper. >It was long established he couldn't use Kaioken and SSJ at the same time
Unfortunately for you filler counts this time around. >Different colored hair, different length, massive power gap
It's still considered SS2 across most pieces of DB media, only Heroes calls it rage.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>No one calls Abo and Cado Super characters after all.
That's because no one talks about them at all. >Yes, a combination of an existing form introduced in a Z movie and a technique introduced in Z proper. >Unfortunately for you filler counts this time around.
All of those movies were and are still not canon. If you're going to argue things introduced in the old movies, then we should count Heroes. Because any of those forms could potentially become canon later on, just like SSJ Kaioken
11 months ago
Anonymous
>SSJ Blue
Z movie >SSJ Blue Evo
1 >Kaio-Ken SSJ Blue
Technique >UI
2 >Ultra Ego
3 >Orange Piccolo
4 >SSJ Rage
Not a real form >Beast Gohan
5 >Black Frieza
6
That anon so forgot
The 4 baby Vegeta forms, full power ss4 and the individual shenron.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>The 4 baby Vegeta forms, full power ss4 and the individual shenron.
Baby and all of those Shenrons were new characters
11 months ago
Anonymous
You know that is cheating, by your stupid logic super has
Blue Evo
Ultra Instict
God of Destruction Candidate
Lovely Love, Love Ribrianne
Ribrianne
Ultimate Mode
Super Saiyan Rosé
Super Maximum Light Speed Mode
Super Saiyan Berserker
Infinite Zamasu
And if we count Movies
Beast
Piccolo piss
11 months ago
Anonymous
Are you counting Super Heroes as well because they have UI Gogeta or some shit like that actually they have a frickton more
11 months ago
Anonymous
Anon that's your logic, we weren't including new characters mostly because it makes it unfair to GT and if we were to apply it we would get
Golden Ape
SS4
Full power ss4
Baby Vegeta
Super Baby 1
Super Baby 2
Luud full power
Hyper Meta Rilldo
Meta Rilldo
Mutchy whip form
Doll Pan
Super 17
Black Smoke Shenron
The darkness dragon form shenron
All seven shenron's normal forms
Omega shenron
Giant form Rage
True form Oceanus
True form Nuova
True form Naturon
Naturon Pan Absorbed
I probably missed some but I don't even care that much about GT I'm just digging memories up from childhood.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Full power ss4
Not a form, it's literally SS4 amped up. By that logic kaioken is also a form >All baby forms
Literally super saiyajin forms, unless you count Bejito blue and Gogeta blue as new transformations, because by your logic, they are >Doll Pan
Bejita sealed on the container is a form then
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Not a form
It's definitely considered a different form across all DB media. >Literally super saiyajin forms
They aren't.
There's a reason why it's called super baby and not super saiyan. Also if you aren't counting them then you can't include most of your list for super for the same reasons. >Bejita sealed on the container is a form then
Anon that's just Vegeta sticking a pacifier in his mouth, his body doesn't change.
Also I forgot to add Majuub
11 months ago
Anonymous
>It's definitely considered a different form across all DB media.
No it isn't. It's literally goku beffed up with energy >There's a reason why it's called super baby and not super saiyan. Also if you aren't counting them then you can't include most of your list for super for the same reasons.
It's called that because the diferent design, but it's literally just SS forms with a diferent coat of pain >Majuub
It's a fusion
11 months ago
Anonymous
>It's literally goku beffed up with energy
Much LIKE kaioblue but full power ss4 is still considered a form. >It's called that because the diferent design
Making it a new form, that's the only only qualifier. >It's a fusion
It's a form
Of and I forgot the Suguroku guys
He had the announcer transformation
The dice
And the pliers
11 months ago
Anonymous
Also all of the nonsensical Ultra insticts form (yes including the shitty manga), count as transformations then
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Also all of the nonsensical Ultra insticts form
We already counted all two of them.
In other words you're on 27 for super, 34 for GT.
11 months ago
Anonymous
True UI
Mastered UI
Sign UI
Perfected UI
And whatever else toyotaro drawed in a drug trip
also
Seven-Three Absorbed
With Merus' Power
Earth Fusion
And granolah bar with sharingan
11 months ago
Anonymous
>True UI >Mastered UI >Sign UI >Perfected UI
Anon, there's just sign and mastered
Perfected UI is just a state of mind that doesn't change the body as said in the manga
And true UI isn't a thing I assume you're associating that with the aura but that's all it was.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I was refering to "half way UI but not really, but that makes goku stronger?"
11 months ago
Anonymous
And that's super 31, GT 37 as a final count.
11 months ago
Anonymous
And if you count this
Whirlwind Speed Mode
Raging Battle Mode
Barry Final Form
Barry 2nd Form
Watagash Barry
Roasie
Kakunsa
Super Ribrianne
Ganos Avian
Basil post "thing"
Super Saiyan (Full Power)
Koichiarator
Anilaza
Anilaza (Transformed)
I miss the days where DBZ games had crazy “What if?” stories. Like in Tenkaichi 2, they had a saga where Zarbon turned against Frieza because he wanted to be pretty forever. And a saga where Raditz turned good because Piccolo concussed him.
It was "good enough". Easily the weakest saga, but I don't feel as disconnected from it as I do from Super. I don't skip it when rereading the manga, but only ever read the super chapters once.
It's better than the Cell arc, and I'm tired of people pretending it was better than any of the other Z arcs. Thought Saiyan and Frieza arcs are still the highlight of Z.
>This Gogeta spent every second even in Super pounding Broly mercilessly into a fine paste and then did not hesitate to go for the kill
Not even Super fricked up what GT managed to. Imagine.
>FR Gogeta immediately launches into battle >Broly Gogeta, thinks of a name and immediately launches into battle >GT Gogeta fricks with omega and even uses a party popper instead of just killing him
>This Gogeta spent every second even in Super pounding Broly mercilessly into a fine paste and then did not hesitate to go for the kill
Not even Super fricked up what GT managed to. Imagine.
What you forget about SSJ4 Gogeta you morons, it's that he was acting like that to taunt Omega and make him use his Negative Energy Ball, Gogeta then used a counterattack and reversed the polarity of the attack, turning that Energy Ball into a Positive one to clean the earth's atmosphere and nerf Omega, Vegito did the same shit with Buuhan.
>it's that he was acting like that to taunt Omega and make him use his Negative Energy Ball, Gogeta then used a counterattack and reversed the polarity of the attack, turning that Energy Ball into a Positive one to clean the earth's atmosphere and nerf Omega,
Hey anon, not only did it not nerf omega, it just destroyed the barrier around earth cutting it off from everything else but you know what else would have done that?
Beating Omega.
Not to mention, the universal spirit bomb shouldn't have worked because Omega put that barrier back up!
People don't hate GT because it exists anon, people hate GT because it fricking sucks. It's plotholes on plotholes.
are you talking about that movie that wasted tons of time "testing" each others powers at different levels and asspulled gogeta just to get it over with so they can roll credits? That's not character development or quality writing.
It IS a commentary on how Goku and Vegeta's approaches of playing with their food is a bad thing and is why someone more no-nonsense like Gohan needs to take the savior mantle.
>That's not character development or quality writing.
You don't need character development for characters who have had development for like what 35 years by that point? The only character development they needed was Broly and he gets it
Also you say they're wasting time but there was literally zero reason to go all out against Broly from the start.
There are a lot of hispanics in the US, anon.
The Black person population is also adding to the viewer metrics but Black folk tend to only gravitate towards Dragon Ball specifically and not other spicsplosion shows.
So how much of the DLC feels like shit that should have been in the base game? I had a copy of it here in my backlog that I meant to get to at some point.
Battle of Gods should have been a stapled-on menu next to the training area Bulma gives you, Rez F arc should have been after you hit a threshold with said training and End of Z would be the optional epilogue. Everything else is far enough removed to be acceptably separate.
I can't take this game seriously after they made up an excuse for animal people being a thing because apparently of an addictive drug people were taking that turned them into animals.
>Boot up Final Bout >See the intro and think you’re about to play the greatest game ever > https://youtu.be/L96o77rmRF4 >The actual game is pic related
How mad were you Ganker?
Not at all since I was a kid back then and being the only one in school who knew what SSJ 4. Was more frustrated I could never figure out the moves thanks to Japanese
>Jap opening is better in the case of Final Bout.
Shit opinion detected.
This intro sold is the only reason I bought this game. No DBZ game has come close to hyping me as much as this did in the early 2000s
Budokai was already out by the time I knew this game even existed.
Saw it at a rental store once and was just like wtf there's Dragonball games on PS1? Obviously I didn't know Dragonball is from the 80s at the time I thought it was hot new shit.
Is the general gameplay loop still repetitive as frick or have any of the DLC tried to address that? The general combat was fine despite being mashy, but it was everything else that was a drag.
Is the DLC on the same level as the base game with regards to number of 'higher quality' cutscenes and voice acting, or will most of it just be canned animations and text-only?
I have faith because both Kubota and Shintani have said that they are massive Dragon Ball fans and that they would put other projects on hold to work on Dragon Ball.
Either Budokai 4 or Burst Limit 2. Those were some good Dragon Ball games. Even though they weren't full-fledged traditional fighters, combos were crazy.
I just want a proper tournament fighter that isn't a 3v3 Marvel autismfest is that so much to ask?
Don't really see a point going back to Budokai gameplay it was always pretty mediocre.
Oh don't get me wrong I liked FighterZ but I'm just way too dumb for games with assists would prefer something more simple and straightforward
I always wanted a DB tournament fighter so I kinda feel like I got monkey pawed on that one
They're effectively different products, similar only in broad strokes. Read if you don't have time to spare, cuz Super has the classic "shit takes forever" pacing classic Z was known for.
If you have time to waste then I'd say watch Goku Black and ToP and read everything else. Even after watching those arcs, there's some merit to going back and reading them too. The manga covers the arcs but some events here and there are different, like what happens with Zamasu at the end is a little different and Gohan/Roshi are a lot more relevant in ToP in the manga. SSB Kaioken is also not a thing in the manga and they instead opt for Mastered SSB.
Roshi fighting Jiren and having a major role in teaching Goku UI is a lot more relevant than him serving as target practice for Frost and eliminating a literal random or two
Not really, it just comes off as really stupid because there's no way Roshi should be able to avoid attacks from Jiren who then goes on to match Goku in UI.
If anything something like that would make more sense in the anime but even they don't bother doing it.
how doesn't it make sense? the dude is a 350 year old martial artist and the whole point of that "fight" is that powerlevels are bullshit, it's not like he dodges for long anyway
11 months ago
Anonymous
>and the whole point of that "fight" is that powerlevels are bullshit
Anon, they've been driving that home for years already, Goku didn't even need that lesson. They just made him dumber as fighter just to force a moment between the two of them.
you are missing nothing by not watching Super
at least GT had a proper ending, but still not worth watching all the way through
watch Z and pretend everything ended at kid buu defeat
>End of Z
One of the worst ones they could have chosen. It's insanely short and going to be full of filler. I guess it makes sense for the game's send off though.
Tenshinhan. He was one of the smartest fighters that invented a frick ton of techniques, never stopped training and seeking to improve and devoted his life to martial arts.
I'm watching DBZ (Kai) for the first time and I'm about 5 episodes away from the end. I started watching it last February and by August I had watched up to the end of the Cell saga, and it's taken all the way up until now to get to 5 episodes from the end of the Majin Buu arc.
I loved the rest of it, but Majin Buu just fricking sucks as a villain, and the show feels schizophrenic now with how much it's jumped around and how much shit it's added of no consequence just to waste time >Majin Vegeta didn't matter >The Z Sword didn't matter >Gotenks didn't matter >Gohan spending 30 episodes sitting in a field with a dancing old man didn't matter >Vegeto didn't matter >Super Saiyan 3 didn't matter
I'm close to the end, and I've got the box set of Super sitting here since last year, so hopefully it picks up more there.
>Super
Be prepared for a hard drop off in art and animation quality with the tradeoff being none of the stories having the classic Toriyama "come up with a way to conclude the arc only for editors to tell him no and he pulls a new way out of his ass" cycle.
Vegeta didn't matter
He was the catalyst to reviving Buu. >>The Z Sword didn't matter
It was the catalyst to ultimate gohan
didn't matter
It was originally meant to be a set up to Goku and Vegeta fusing with the dance but toei did it first.
spending 30 episodes sitting in a field with a dancing old man didn't matter
It led to ultimate Gohan which led to Gohan being absorbed by Buu which led to Vegito
didn't matter
Saiyan 3 didn't matter
These are true.
The problem of them all is each of them was Toriyama trying to give the series an ending and his editors said no as he was carrying each out. It's why everything had this air of "this will work, don't worry guys" cuz it originally was supposed to.
Well, the editors kind of backed down on Buu slightly.
Cell is where they went overboard. >tori gives trunks a sword because 19 and 20 were the original antagonists >editors demand changes because they aren't cool >16, 17 and 18 become new antagonists, Trunks sword now has no purpose and 20 becomes Gero >editors demand more changes because they're too normal >cell is made to be as inhuman as possible without being a literal monster >editors don't like it >makes absorption a thing which makes no sense and turns him into not-Frieza
Nah, Toriyama was clearly building up to the spirit bomb shit the entire time.
His whole deal was setting up a bunch of fakeouts (SSJ3, Fusion, Gohan), only to have the people of the world save themselves for once. Just so Goku can finally frick off, he's not needed anymore.
Well, the editors kind of backed down on Buu slightly.
Cell is where they went overboard. >tori gives trunks a sword because 19 and 20 were the original antagonists >editors demand changes because they aren't cool >16, 17 and 18 become new antagonists, Trunks sword now has no purpose and 20 becomes Gero >editors demand more changes because they're too normal >cell is made to be as inhuman as possible without being a literal monster >editors don't like it >makes absorption a thing which makes no sense and turns him into not-Frieza
Not even, it was his former editor that told him 19&20 sucked.
Due note, that that guy was the editor that basically kept Toriyama's shitty tendencies in check to ensure DB would be successful. So that's why he put so much stock into his criticism.
I'll be honest, I think 16 was likely the main villain when he was introduced. His design screams "main rival", especially next to the twins, who just look like morons.
what the frick? buu saga literally introduces fusion dance, potara, ultimate gohan, super saiyan 3 and majin vegeta, previously we just had super saiyan 1 and 2 which is basically 1 with lightning effects, and I guess supa bejita if you wanna count that one
So was the game any good, or is it just an excuse to have a good ol' DBZ convo? Shit came out in 2020, how is it still full price on Steam with expensive season passes on top of that?
Did they ever go back and fix the base game?
I remember it went from really fancy cutscenes at the start of the game to straight cutting scenes by the Android Saga to still images in the Buu Saga.
>End of Z
wait I never played this game are you telling me the retelling of DBZ didn't even get to the end of Z, and took 6 DLC packs to reach it? The frick did the game even cover? I remember being a kid and getting an (admittedly, abridged) retelling of everything up through the end of Z from fricking budokai 3.
I thought we got the last dlc for this game like 3 years ago, then again they added Human 21 to DBFZ way after the rest of the dlc so I guess this is a running theme.
yep there's a tournament but there's not very little on screen fighting so the DLC is probably going to be almost completly filler fights to make up for it
It was the end of the series that introduced uub that can literally be summed up as >Goku trains with Goten >Vegeta and family appear >tournament is mentioned >pan appears >Goku alludes to Uub >Goku uses Buu to match up with Uub >Goku ditches tournament with Uub
What even the frick was blutzwaves when all it took was finding yourself while in Super Monkey mode? If Vegeta could just grow his tail back, homie could have forced it offscreen with his artificial moon.
In a few years the Totally Final Ultimate Edition of Kakarot with every piece of DLC will be on sale for $20 because that's how Bamco does things. Will it be worth it to get then?
>Fight where transformations and techniques weren't allowed so Goku couldn't just stomp Bejita with Ultra Instinct
Maybe they should tie one of Goku's arms behind his back next time as well. To make it fair.
So you are saying Vegeta won through pure Martial Prowess against a dude whose done nothing but train in martial arts his whole life?
Are you saying the only reason Goku wins fights anymore is simply due to power scaling and not technique?
All of his battles with Goku have been interrupted by being postponed indefinitely or turned into 1v2/3 until that one. His pride dictates that his fights in the Saiyan and Buu Sagas didn't count because of this.
Well. Every other time he would have he either got interrupted by goku's friends, or Goku simply didn't decide to fight him with his full power. Other wise if his friends didn't intervene Goku would have easily lost the first fight. The second fight Vegeta would have lost by being purely over powered or bitterly won due to Goku quickly expending his allotted time on earth going Super Saiyan 3 and Vegeta would have won through timer scam. Which would piss Vegeta off still. After that they never actually ever fought each other game until them fighting off screen in Super Heroes. In which he won because he realized powering up and being purely offensive won't make him a better fighter.
>Will the new Kakarot DLC acknowledge the everlasting 3-0
No one will because there was no 3-0. Hell, when Vegeta knocked out Goku they literally called off the fight.
Ehh, it will feel more fun once you unlock more skills, but there will still be an air of repetitiveness. There's a reason most DB games aren't RPGs. Though if you do want some fun RPGs, I'd recommend Attack of the Saiyans and Fusions.
Now I actually really liked GT. I don't get the hate. The only thing I hated about GT was the bastardization of GT by Toei with all of the cut content because it wasn't as action oriented as original DBZ. The Black Star Dragon Ball saga reminds me of classic Dragon Ball instead of traveling the world they were traveling the galaxy and the Dragon Balls were intergalactic which was neat. And Goku becoming a kid again was dope. All of that nostalgia pandering people weren't ready for in the 90's. I'm sure if they releasef GT now it would be well received. It really wasn't that bad after all even with less hands on with Toriyama. It was just a good love letter to Dragon Ball.
>The only thing I hated about GT was the bastardization of GT by Toei
I'm sorry let me clarify the people who localized it in English who bastardized it. Not Toei. Sorry.
>. I don't get the hate
Poor animation
Too Goku focused
Terrible music other than the OP and ED
Rehashed shit out the ass
Turning Goku into a kid
Shadow dragon mechanics making no sense
>I'm sure if they releasef GT now it would be well received
It'd probably be more hated than it is now given super is a thing.
>Poor animation
Better than Super by a huge margin >Too Goku focused
DBZ is literally about Goku >Terrible music other than the OP and ED
>Rehashed shit out the ass
Not as bad as Super. DBGT was too adventurous. >Turning Goku into a kid
Best part of DBGT >Shadow dragon mechanics making no sense
Mistranslation.
>Better than Super by a huge margin
It's really not I mean, GT is known for lacking sakuga moments which super had a fair amount of, even then that wouldn't be a high bar. >DBZ is literally about Goku
Yeah and everyone had decent fights throughout. In GT everyone just jobs for Goku.
music other than the OP and ED >proceeds to post an ED
Good job proving me right. >Not as bad as Super.
What? Anon, do you even know what a rehash is? >DBGT was too adventurous
It was the opposite, it was too safe and that's both on part due to the poor animation and the urge for familiarity it was going for. >Best part of DBGT
To you and maybe the entirety of Mexico. To legitimate DB fans? It served no purpose whatsoever. It's not like it weakened Goku, until they added in a new weakness with SS3 being incompatible with his childlike body despite the fact Gotenks was physically younger during the Buu arc and could do it with no issues and ss4 existed to rewrite that choice. >Mistranslation
What? Anon, there's no version of GT where they make sense.
guys GT happens after Super and it's clear there was something so fricking bad that happened because of Goku and Bejita becoming gods that they had to reset time to before battle of gods/super and stop all of that from happening and have 0 memory of it except for Whis and Beerus and probably the Kais+Zeno
Super shitty imagination and designs, Bejita and Trunks "states" are treathed as new states, because we know that toei knows that they can get away with endless recolors, to the point they can make new transformations that are THE FRICKING SAME EXCEPT SLIGTHY DARKER
So are they doing Super in the next game?
Never, they will milk Z until the heat death of the universe
AUGUST 12TH 2036
Super is a b***h for games. Battle of Gods and F are a couple fights at most, the Universe 6 Tournament is a bunch of fight in the same place, Shit starts having enough variety from Zamazu onwards
They already added super content.
No they did not. BoG and RoF are Z.
Super as a brand didn't exist, moron. They're both treated as core Super once the brand was invented.
Which is why they're in the fricking show.
I hope so for Granolah kino.
Not before it is animated. Shueisha has that weird fricking mandate. Also, Moro is better.
Until he stops using magic and becomes Cell 2.
What a fricking waste of arc and still it was better than anything from Granolah's.
I agree. Still, a pretty enjoyable arc.
It makes me sad that Buu is the closest thing to a true magic user fight.
>can heal to the point of curing blindness
>conjures up a bunch of shit out of nothing and turns people into food
>randomly gets abilities he needs like being able to scream hard enough to create an a portal to leave the time chamber or to just learn instant transmission so he can destroy everything
Buu's more fun than people give him credit for.
I like when he becomes earth it's like a movie ending but in an arc, I like how big he is in the robe when he escapes prison, looking like a ripoff star wars emperor. If I was a kid when moro was a character I would've bought all his "forms"
Movies before Super
GT
Is there even enough GT content to make a whole game?
If you turbo focused on the random non-main villain crap, yes.
just kakarott but in a galaxy level
you go from planet to planet solving quests, beating people up and finding the dragon balls
I doubt it, nuBroly saga straight up contradicts the Bardock story
DAN DAN KOKORO
>Get to the very end of DBZ Kakarot's DLCs and expansions
>Ends on a retrospective of the series with the full version of Dan Dan in the background
My fricking Kokoro would hikareteiku.
Why are people so nostalgic over that shitty opening from gt. No one likes GT 20 years, stop pretending this is the world's greatest opening.
As shit as GT was Dan Dan is a good opening. It was totally wasted on such an awful series
GT has the best OP and EDs of the series. Stay transfat.
Cha-la Head Cha-la and We were angels clears everything.
Angels can't even outdo Makafushigi Adventure.
The cutscenes are well animated all the time as opposed to 5%.
>literal pedo babble
We were angels >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything else
It's a good opening despite GT being shit, it also has some good endings.
How do we feel about insert songs?
>playing FighterZ while Unmei no Hi plays in the background
SOVL.
Spirit vs Spirit is both one of my favorite Dragon Ball and Kageyama songs, but in general I love early DB insert songs more like Mezase Tenkaichi and LONELY WURUFU.
I like 'em
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Come to think of it GT didn't have an insert songs did it?
Also we can't talk about music without bringing up this
>Unmei no hi
Best song, best transformation of all DB.
GT is wasted potential that people want to see realized. Also Super Saiyan 4 is a better transformation than Super Saiyan God and Blue.
>GT is wasted potential that people want to see realized
Like 75% of it was realised in PtEtS, fusion reborn and the cell saga.
>Super Saiyan 4 is a better transformation than Super Saiyan God and Blue.
This is the truth. Perhaps they will give Broley a SSJ4 form while Goku n Vegeta get to keep their God forms.
>Perhaps they will give Broley a SSJ4 form
That's pretty much what LSS is now.
Wrathful was great ape in a normal body
LSS is wrathful + Super Saiyan
This. I would take a better focused GT remake over Super any day, and SS4 is the only super form that makes sense, it only need to be golden.
>and SS4 is the only super form that makes sense
It makes no fricking sense whatsoever.
it makes perfect sense. Super Saiyan forms are supposed to be unlocked through raw emotion. Its why SSJ3 sucks dick
>Super Saiyan forms are supposed to be unlocked through raw emotion.
You realise ss4 wasn't, right?
1 was anger
2 was anger
3 was offscreen
4 was calming down
4 was love, dumbass. Goku recognizes Pan, then he stares at the earth.
>love
No, no it wasn't. The ss4 unlock was rationality and control, that's why Vegeta could instantly do it because he was always in control of his great ape form but decided to frick with Goku instead.
Toei was just rushing through their plans while the show was failing and had to get Vegeta up to speed, nothing about his end of SS4 matters.
And yet it matches up exactly with Goku's unlock.
4 was about controlled anger, as in taming the beast (giant ape) inside, anon. Please tell me you didn't just get filtered by GT.
>Please tell me you didn't just get filtered by GT.
You're saying that while interpreting it wrong.
Exactly how was that wrong?
SSJ4 is the best transformation because it uses every single other transformation in a perfect combination
>oozaru
sayian needs to have a tail so he becomes a giant ape
>SSJ
Sayian needs to explode with rage
>SSJ2
Sayian needs finaly control his emotions and let his power explode instead of his rage
>SSJ3
Sayian needs to asf ahaihf do hg pghsopughso asihf ã and scream a lot
>SSJ4
Sayian needs to have a tail then he needs to turn into a oozaru, then turn into a super sayian while being a oozaru then control your emotions WHILE screaming a lot
the PERFECT transformation
lmao, Black person, none of the transformations need anything besides an ever increasing number of ki/S-cells to pull off
it's why Goten&Trunks can go SSJ and why Gotenks can go SSJ3 so easily, they all have a disgusting amount of base power so they can bruteforce it without any problems
SSJ4 is so out of place with its moronic blutz wave moonmagic shit
>it's why Goten&Trunks can go SSJ and why Gotenks can go SSJ3 so easily
cause goku could already go super sayian when he fricked chichi
>S-cells is totaly ok bru, even though they are NEVER mentioned anywhere in the whole series
>but the waves from the moon that were explained in og dragon ball and had vegeta using a FAKE moon atack to tranasform into a oozaru?
>nah man that doesnt make sense
>but the waves from the moon that were explained in og dragon ball and had vegeta using a FAKE moon atack to tranasform into a oozaru?
Not only did blutz waves never come up before GT here's a fun fact, the blutz waves in GT never come from the moon at any point!
yeah cause you can fake it by using a ki wave
created by an average fighter the genius scientist Bardock
>yeah cause you can fake it by using a ki wave
Anon, that's not blutz waves.
moron
>INB4 But is not ze blutz waves )'=
They function the same exact way
>radiation
Why did you even post this like it retroactively became blutz waves?
W-What do you think radiation is?
Not blutz waves.
Obviously.
NTA but in GT blutz waves are entirely different things
I'll never forgive GT for introducing blutz waves. Such absolute bullshit.
GT is good and only gays get mad about it because
>It's not torriyummi
>Why is it so weird
>Where's my power levels
>t. shitper reader
>>It's not torriyummi
No one cares that it wasn't made by Tori. Hell most find Heroes more entertaining than GT because it isn't written by tori.
>>Why is it so weird
GT is the most by the numbers shit ever especially since Goku always gets the win and has all of the major fights.
's my power levels
Anon, GT literally is all about power levels except the Super 17 finisher. The super saiyan friendship ring is the worst example of that since it was just an excuse to power up Goku more than the enemy and they use it twice.
Also it went against Goku's character to do it.
>No one cares that it wasn't made by Tori.
That is literally the #1 fricking thing people whine about
>Non sequitur about being "weird" completely sidestepping the actual thing people b***h about and complaining about Goku being the main character
idiot
>That is literally the #1 fricking thing people whine about
No, it isn't.
>Non sequitur
You don't even know what this word means do you.
>about being "weird" completely sidestepping the actual thing people b***h about
Because no one b***hes about it being weird because every concept that isn't the shadow dragons was already done before GT existed.
First arc is DB complete with an Oolong rip off episode.
Baby is Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans with a tuffle machine designed for revenge against the saiyans.
Super 17 is Fusion Reborn and Super Android 13.
>and complaining about Goku being the main character
It's not that Goku ie the main character it's that Goku is literally the only one who has major fights.
And I see you didn't say anything about the power levels because you know it and the friendship circle the breaks his character is bullshit.
>My Kokoro
???
His heart.
EoZ is pre GT my dude.
The Faulconer tracks are better
Faulconer ost is underrated in general
>So, hotshot, you want to fight Majin Buu?
>Fight you? No, I wanna kill you.
You like the "YO homieAAAAAAAAAAAA IT DRAGON BALL GT MOTHAFRICKA UH UH UH UH UH UH UH" intro more?
Faulconer's music is good on it's own, but it is not Dragon Ball. I'll bet you prefer Linda Young's Freeza over Chris Ayres', too.
In a perfect world, I’d take a DBZ with the Kai dub and the Faulconer soundtrack
nta, you're lucky i stumbled across this thread.
https://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=40195&sid=f5b61b0df06ddc3703ed05ab410ad091
>dragon rap
no wonder americans dislike GT so much
homie they talking about Gee Tee,
but I do agree
death to all dubshitters
db never topped romantic ageru yo
budokai 4 when
Anime Expo next week, Bandai Namco has announced their presence there and said new games will be shown, Tenkaichi 4 is definitely a "new game" since that reveal teaser was never actually formally released to the press by Bamco, the trailer was shown by unaffiliated channels and Bamco just let the hype buzz flow through those redirects.
Dragonball games sure have gotten long DLC cycles since Xenoverse 2, if they sell millions to make Bamco happy then they get new content years after the original release.
Shitting out cheap-to-make but overpriced DLC is much more lucrative than paying a full team to make another game
Well Tenkaichi 4 is happening so it's like they are only churning out DLCs for years old games at this point.
They have to make a new Dragonball game every year as part of their license agreement
Does Xenoverse 2 even have a sustainable playerbase anymore?
It's surprisingly active on PC.
PS is completely dead.
Don't know about the other platforms.
It has million monthly players.
Yup. Million monthly players.
Welp. Maybe it’s time for heroic return…
This was disproven btw
>"This was disproven btw"
>taken from offical Bandai Namco site
moron.
Yes they lied about their numbers. Shocking, i know
>no proof
KWAB!
It's mostly mods. Both for the autism and the porn
they're still updating this shit?
For some reason DB games have long time support, OP, Xeno 2, FighterZ.
Xeno2 is fricking wild. I've remembered and forgotten about that game so many times and there are people who genuinely have been playing since day one.
why would they stop making money?
It had a "current gen" re-release which was accompanied by the second season pass.
Weird timeline for these DLCs for Kakarot.
- Battle of Gods
- Resurrection of F
- Bardock Special
- Tenkaichi Budokai all the way back with Piccolo vs Goku
- End of Z
The order is all over the place, and I'm surprised they haven't milked Broly's popularity yet, then again with the weird order of releases he might still come out later.
Battle of Gods is an odd one because the movie was Z, but the anime version was Super.
They could really scrape for content and do DLC for that special with Tarble in it.
If they did Resurrection F they could maybe do bits of Super like the tournament of power, or that one sparring match during Super Hero, but the point of that movie was it focused on Piccolo and Gohan.
No Battle of Gods was clearly the next entry of Dragon Ball. It's just that it wasn't in stone just yet. It's the same situation as the Boruto light novels that were a part of the Naruto gaiden series but were clearly meant to later supplement Boruto's world since we only had that one chapter of Boruto out.
>No Battle of Gods was clearly the next entry of Dragon Ball
Nah, it was originally going to be a one off by toei about a space virus and SSG was originally supposed to be buff and have a cape.
Then Tori stepped in and salvaged that mess.
It'd be more accurate to say that RoF was supposed to be the next entry of Dragonball.
>He almost made Goku into Chrono
Sounds based, and explains why it made Goku skinny.
>crono
>buff with a cape
oooooooooooooooh so you meant he was naked.
That's from when Toei was still messing with the idea of what Battle of Gods should be about, but it was still started under Toriyama. Don't forget that Toriyama honestly returned to Dragon Ball because he got so pissy over Evolution that he decided he could make a better continuation over that movie.
>Dragon Ball once became a thing of the past to me, but after that, I got angry about the live-action movie, re-wrote an entire movie script, and now I'm complaining about the quality of the new TV anime, so it seems that DB has grown on me much that I can't leave it alone.
No he didn't lmao, BoG was a complete Toei script that he was contractually obligated to read through and "consult", due to it being a Z branded movie.
At the behest of nobody, and partly due to butthurt at DB Evolution, he took a giant shit on the Toei script when his liaison sent it over and rewrote it into a joke. It was literally the same movie, he just replaced the villain with his cat and shit like that.
But this meant the movie could be marketed with TORIYAMO CANON (Toriyama's name was literally a brand shamelessly milked post-DB by Shueisha and Toei), which made everybody see dollar signs, including Toriyama.
And by the same movie, I literally mean it was the same movie.
>Beerus was originally Virus, the lizardman God of Destruction with a Baby-esque power, which he turned into his cat and renamed beer as a pisstake
>SSG was always a thing, but it was originally a half SSJ3 half SSJ4 mix, which he rewrote into twinkshitter design you get via holding hands
>the central event was Krillin and 18's wedding, which he rewrote into Bulma's birthday to laugh at how old the character is
>the dragonballs were meant to be stolen by some rando comedy ninjas, which he turned into baby Pilaf gang to shit on GT, because they were geriatrics there
>he wanted to change all the Bulma family hair to blue, because lmao frick you, but Toei decided to keep Trunks with normal hair (until Super, when Toriyama finally pulled off his troll job)
As you can see, he changed jack of shit regarding the movie. All he did was swap out superficial details into pisstake versions.
For some reason everyone is too fricking dumb to see this, and he doesn't give a shit and will accept a giant paycheck to do nothing, so this was the launching pad for Super.
>>the central event was Krillin and 18's wedding,
Wait, they had a kid out of wedlock?
Almost everything he said was made up so take it with a grain of salt.
>but it was still started under Toriyama
It's was all initiated by toei. Tori didn't have a hand in it.
Also in this interview he outright says he didn't give any thoughts to a sequel or any kind of follow up.
https://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/battle-gods-animanga-akira-toriyama/
>What about future developments in Dragon Ball?
>To be honest, I haven’t given it any thought at all.
>If there’s another movie, would you want to be involved?
>I don’t think I’d want to be actively involved, but if I get a request and I have the time, I suppose I might.
But by the time of RoF we already know Zamasu was conceptualised because he said Blue was originally supposed to have white hair but would have clashed with the next antagonist.
SSGSS was clearly not planned, he just shat it out because SSG was shit and he was asked for a replacement that wasn't shit.
To which he shat out blue SS, because that man could not give less of a frick and doesn't care.
>SSGSS was clearly not planned,
Anon, everything after BoG was planned whether you like it or not.
https://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/dragon-ball-super-manga-vol-1-tori-toyo-interview-web-version/
>Toriyama:
>In Battle of Gods it was red, so I figured for Revival of “F” I should go with blue. That’s all (laughs). Well, actually I was thinking about having it be white, but then it would color-clash with the “next enemy”… so I figured I should save it for another occasion (laughs).
>"it was planned"
>links unrelated shit
Anon, you are illiterate. I said blue wasn't planned because it's clearly a reaction to SSG failing miserably and replacing it with a "safe" recolor of normal SS between movies.
To which you link him talking about shit post-RoF.
Lmao what.
Not only did god not fail the link I gave you shows that everything was in fact planned out with Blue being the way it was because of the existence of Zamasu.
That means that by the time of RoF Tori had already planned all the way up to the future saga arc
>everything was planned
Black person, you are illiterate. He is talking about ideas for post-RoF, how the frick does that mean it was planned as back BoG?
SSGSS was a kneejerk reaction to SSG sucking shit, which is why it replaced it off screen.
>it was received extremely well?
Lmao the nugay stench. Merch for it was abysmally bad and everyone not on the
>it's good because Toriyama made it! (aka TFStrannies)
line of cope thought it was underwhelming at best, fricking shit if we're being honest.
It's why it was literally dumped by an OFF-SCREEN TRANSFORMATION WITH 0 BUILD UP for the next movie.
>He is talking about ideas for post-RoF,
You mean, the PLAN he had made for the series up until the future saga?
How are you not getting this?
>SSGSS was a kneejerk reaction to SSG sucking shit
No, no it wasn't.
>MUH PLAN
Your autism is clearly fueling your illiteracy.
>No, no it wasn't.
Yes, he planned an unannounced transformation with 0 build up to immediately eclipse the brand new transformation he just made in the last movie. This is very much inline with his style of never doing things this way, because it's moronic.
The level of purebred gullible moron you have to be to even entertain this notion is lost on you.
>Your autism is clearly fueling your illiteracy.
You're saying that like you aren't angry because you can't comprehend Tori planning ahead even though there's evidence that he did.
>he planned an unannounced transformation with 0 build up to immediately eclipse the brand new transformation he just made in the last movie.
Yes. It's dragonball and a movie all about Frieza, they're not going to have a movie using the base god form when they can mirror the original SS Goku and Frieza fight.
Understand?
>This is very much inline with his style of never doing things this way
Are you genuinely trying to say that tori wrote DB and all of his other works without planning it out first?
>TRUST MUH PLAN
Learn to read, Black person.
>Yes.
You are fundamentally incapable of comprehending how basic fricking storytelling and narrative structure works.
Congratulation for proving you are abhorrently autistic. Stick to crayons.
>"Are you genuinely trying to say that tori wrote DB and all of his other works without planning it out first?"
I know it's difficult to read when you're an illiterate autist, but the second sentence was building off of the one prior to it.
Learn to read before replying you autistc mongoloid. Then jump off a bridge.
>talk about SSG
>mention merch sold like shit for the transformation
>"but the movie increased merch sales"
You're straight dumb, homosexual.
>Yeah sure they did.
Lmao, you're really going out of your way to prove you're a moronic secondary. They were the biggest shills for BoG, Black person.
And, Golden Freeza is a recolor, that's not even arguable. Fricking dilate.
MUH PLAN
Do you even know what this means?
Actually after reading the rest of your response it's clear you don't given nothing you've said changes the facts.
You're clearly just screeching because you don't want to be wrong.
>spends entire time embarrassing self with illiteracy
>"I was right"
no more (you)s, gay
Anon, if you don't want to argue anymore just don't make the post and especially don't put the post number in slow moving thread.
merch sold like shit for the transformation
>>"but the movie increased merch sales"
>You're straight dumb, homosexual.
Are you an idiot? There is no separating the introductory movie of SSG from the merch released for the movie.
You're saying it failed when it clearly fricking didn't.
>you're really going out of your way to prove you're a moronic secondary. They were the biggest shills for BoG, Black person.
How is a TFS fan calling other people secondaries? I bet you think that Goku is a bad dad too.
>Golden Freeza is a recolor
Case in point.
>Merch for it was abysmally bad
What are you even talking about? Do you even know what kind of merch it had?
Did you even pay attention to DB back then?
>TFStrannies
Oh, that explains everything.
You only know DB though Abridged jokes so you think everyone hated it because they probably made a joke.
>What are you even talking about? what kind of merch it had?
Merch sales were bad, you fricking autist.
>Did you even pay attention to DB back then?
Project harder, nufan larper homosexual.
>You only know DB though Abridged jokes
THEY'RE THE ONES THAT SHILLED THE SHITTY TRANSFORMATION, YOU DUMB Black person
NON-TFSTRANNIES&NON-KANZENSHUUgayS WERE THE ONES THAT WERE SHITTING ON IT, BECAUSE IT WAS TERRIBLE
Holy frick, could you be a more seethrough tourist homosexual.
>Merch sales were bad
No, no they weren't. Merch sales skyrocketed for the first time in decades when the movie came out.
Who told you that?
>THEY'RE THE ONES THAT SHILLED THE SHITTY TRANSFORMATION
Yeah sure they did. Because everyone knows TFS for shilling DB and insulting the ever loving frick out of it. Hell they're the reason people call golden Frieza a fricking recolor.
>It's why it was literally dumped by an OFF-SCREEN TRANSFORMATION WITH 0 BUILD UP
You mean like SS3 did to 2?
Jokes aside do you really need to know how they trained to get it? No one had a problem with grade 2, 3 and SS3 so why is this a problem?
>You mean like SS3 did to 2?
You mean the transformation that has a large setpiece dedicated to its reveal, which itself is a surprise twist with BUILD UP TO THE TWIST ITSELF?
As opposed to the recolor that was announced via a poster and Goku&Vegita just have it without an fanfare from the start?
If you cannot comprehend the issue and the difference, you are legitimately autistic.
>Jokes aside do you really need to know how they trained to get it?
IT'S NOT ABOUT TRAINING YOU homosexual, IT'S ABOUT NARRATIVE SET-UPS AND PAY-OFFS
YOU KNOW, THE FUNDAMENTALS OF THIS SHIT CALLED "STORYTELLING".
YOU MIGHT'VE SEEN IT USED 8521 TIMES IN DB.
>You mean the transformation that has a large setpiece dedicated to its reveal
>anime only watcher
Do I even need to bother.
>I didn't watch or read DB
Do Supergays really.
>"Anon, you literally don't need them at this point. "
>in response to
>FUNDAMENTALS OF THIS SHIT CALLED "STORYTELLING"
Omg, I can count your IQ after you typed that horseshit. jfc you are dumb beyond reason.
>muh training scenes
>in response to
>IT'S NOT ABOUT TRAINING YOU homosexual, IT'S ABOUT NARRATIVE SET-UPS AND PAY-OFFS
You are really driving home that only the truly stupid defends this shit.
>IT'S NOT ABOUT TRAINING YOU homosexual, IT'S ABOUT NARRATIVE SET-UPS AND PAY-OFFS
>YOU KNOW, THE FUNDAMENTALS OF THIS SHIT CALLED "STORYTELLING".
Anon, you literally don't need them at this point. You know Goku and Vegeta won't be satisfied with that level of power, you know God is just their base with red hair.
The next obvious route is a super super saiyan god.
It's dragonball they've been doing that same song and dance for years before you were born.
>YOU MIGHT'VE SEEN IT USED 8521 TIMES IN DB.
Do you have any idea how many times they've skipped training scenes.
here's your (you)
>to SSG failing miserably
The frick are you talking about? How did God fail when it was received extremely well?
>SSGSS was clearly not planned, he just shat it out because SSG was shit and he was asked for a replacement that wasn't shit.
>To which he shat out blue SS, because that man could not give less of a frick and doesn't care.
Current Toriyama actively dislikes elaborate transformation. Toei had some original Super Saiyan God design with some new outfit and an aggressive SSJ3-like design and that got thrown away by Toriyama for the simple red hair form we have.
It's not that he can't design a better transformation (well, it's partially), it's also that he doesn't -want- something that would actually change their designs significantly nowadays, so we're stuck with color swaps for established characters as long as Toriyama is still working on DB.
That's the best way to go about it to be fair. You don't want DB to get star warsed.
Didn't they also do History of Trunks? I wanted a Broly DLC as well
If they did nuBroly growing up on a hell world, it would be pretty badass.
Sounds kind of stupid as the next movie will obviously be EoZ with some villain ENTERING earth when Goku starts leaving with Uub.
i wonder if super is ever gonna reach the end of Z arc. the entirety of Super has made Ube not feel that special.
WOW ITS JUST LIKE THE ANIME! WAIT A SECOND I PLAYED THIS EXACT STORY BEFORE! MULTIPLE TIMES!
>WOW A DRAGON BALL GAME IS LIKE THE DRAGON BALL ANIME?! NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! WHERE ARE MY HECKIN SONICHU OC HERMANOS???
AND IT SELLS MILLIONS DESPITE BEING THE SAME THING ALL OVER AGAIN, WHY THE FRICK DO YOU THINK THEY WILL STOP DOING THAT AS LONG IT KEEPS MAKING MONEY?
>wasted potential the game
Ill play it, but i wont be happy with it
This game frickin sucks why are you homosexuals still talking about it
Fricking HYPE, can't wait for all the kino scenes. Would be great if we get GT.
is the Xbox version still fricked?
How would this even work? The only real "fight" in that arc is against a shitskin who jobs to base GROOMERku
Have you played Kakarot? The game is all about "expanding" the events of Sagas and arcs, pretty much making new filler and using famous ones like Goku earning his driver's license, to have Goku and everyone live their daily lives doing smaller things while in anticipation to the next big event. The DLC will likely have the cast do a bunch of smaller things before the tournament happens and Goku flies away with Uub.
Extra content will be added. Maybe some retcons?
I could probably see them trying to connect it to Super in some ways, considering EoZ takes place after Super. Also, maybe incorporate Tarble somewhere in there.
Oh boy, I can't wait to fight more RR robots!
>Full tournament where you fight 15 saibamen, pirate robots and Freeza henchmen in groups of 5 at a time.
There's your extra content
ITS GOKU WITH A NEW FRICKING GI
STOP BEING FOOLED
the less we see of uub the better
Just a reminder that Goku believed Uub had the potential to surpass him in strength and took him on as an apprentice, and even after fusing with Majin Buu, I'd say Uub was barely SSJ3 tier. There is no way Uub was going to reach SSG or fricking Ultra Instinct levels of power, of course this was before Super so I guess at the time he would be considered strong enough, even though Goku went and trained with Shenron as well, and we never found out how strong he became training with Shenron, nor what Shenron actually taught him.
>and even after fusing with Majin Buu, I'd say Uub was barely SSJ3 tier.
That's one of the sad parts about GT, Uub was such wasted potential. Being Kid Buu in human form who had immense strength as a child he should be way stronger than SS3 with none of the drawbacks before fusing with Buu and using with Buu should have given him more Majin features.
Yeah, they blew it with Uub, Goku had to go SSJ3 to defeat Kid Buu, so realistically I figured Uub when fused with Buu should have been STRONGER than SSJ3, more like SSJ4 or some shit, which in that regard would make him closer on par with Goku's max strength.
Xenoverse is an MMO style online game, Kakarot is not. It's an offline RPG style game and it doesn't need so many DLC's. I'm assuming the DLC's must be selling and making money, otherwise they wouldn't keep pumping them out, I just wasn't aware so many people still played Kakarot, or at least the DLC's .
Of course, Xenoverse hit 10 million around the same time as DLC 14. Still though, the game feels more like a hyper-fleshed out arena fighter than an actual full blown RPG. Maybe if Xenoverse 3 gets a big world to explore like Kakarot, then I'd agree. But for now, we gotta wait for Tenkaichi 4, fingers crossed it actually plays like a Tenkaichi game.
it'd also include the EOZ stuff in Nekomajin
Just play The Breakers. it's actually fun if you're not a b***h
>still not free
I honestly might consider it if it does go free.
After Budokai Tenkaichi 4, I need either Budokai 4 or Burst Limit 2.
My homie Burst Limit is so underrated
You're my people, anon. We're family. Burst Limit was so sick.
Still the best looking Dragon Ball game except for FighterZ, too.
waiting complete edition
You are going to wait for 6 more years.
Best bet is the Switch version. It includes the first two DLC episodes.
I hope there is finally some info on Budokai Tenkaichi 4 this saturday. Bamco is showing new games and giving info on the upccoming ones this Anime Expo. Hoping to see something good.
I bought the game when they released the Future Gohan DLC and still haven't played it.
did this game ever end up being any good?
what's the best Budokai game to play for the singleplayer?
if the next game isn't kid goku I will riot
3, maybe shin budokai?
Shin Budokai: Another Road.
this game is kino and underrated as hell. I'd even go as far to say it's the best budokai styled game
what do you even effing do in this game? fly around and do quests?
Watch the cutscenes on youtube.
i have seen the anime, why would I?
>effing
The holy trio of openings is makafushigi adobencha, dan dan kokoro hikareteku and we were angels
>we were angels
>Opening
>played it and got the platinum for it on ps4 when it first came out
>never went back for any of the DLC because the combat was pretty shit at the higher levels
Did the DLC fix things and not have every boss fight take a million years?
>not have every boss fight take a million years
Literally show accurate.
They're really milking that fricking garbage game, huh
You're saying that like Xenoverse 2 didn't get a dlc this year.
Xenoverse is actually good tho.
c'mon now. Lets not lie
I think the last story Toriyama should write is the end of the timeline where Hercule saves the day.
Ultra instinct is unironically great.
The best part about UI is that it isn't a Saiyan transformation. Theoretically anyone could learn it.
Yeah, I like that it focuses on Goku's martial art background first.
Yeah, na, it's a Saiyan transformation. Tenshinhan and Piccolo are martial artists too just like Goku and take it as seriously as him but could never learn it (they're not important enougg)
>and take it as seriously as him
No one takes training as seriously as Goku, not even Vegeta.
Literally all Tien does is train, even when he stops training it's just so he can make money so he can buy food and train more. Goku took a wife and sometimes gets whipped into domestic life, Tenshinhan did not take a wife so he has more time to grind.
>Literally all Tien does is train
You can't compare what tien does to what Goku does. The level of intensity in their training is completely different hell you say Goku is whipped but he regularly abandons his family to train for months at a time.
You self insert as Tenshinhan. Goku loves training so much he's memed as a bad father for it.
>memed
Goku does not give a frick about his family
Source?
Goku
Tenshinhan loves training so much he never took time out of his busy schedule of training to have kids
but only theoretically, kaioken and spirit bomb are also not saiyan things yet only Goku has ever used them ignore the spirit sword Trunks used because it contradicts what I'm saying and its dumb
the spirit bomb sword is extremely cool and possibly one of the only redeemable things in super. I pray that super fans do not all have as shit of taste as you.
but I like the spirit sword, I just think its dumb
whats dumb about it. it's cool, its thematically sound, it's got more behind it than any of the other power ups in super to that point.
because it makes no sense for Trunks to suddenly use a technique that Goku learned by training with King Kai,
>use a technique that Goku learned by training with King Kai,
It wasn't really a spirit bomb you know.
>giant ball of energy that gets stronger from people giving their engergy is not a spirit bomb
sounds like a spirit bomb to me,
Giving your energy to someone isn't the same thing as a spirit bomb.
That's like saying Goku defeated Broly with a spirit bomb because he did it with everyone's power.
why the frick not? he's fighting with everyones hopes on his back, everyone else in the series just kind of "figures out new abilities" on the fly so why couldn't he stumble into drawing on he power of everything around him that wants to survive in a desperate situation. it's more grounded than every transformation in the series after namek since at the very least, gokus power when he arrived on namek was well explained.
It genuinely feels more probable than his "not Broly" form that he got cuz he was angy.
why the frick? indeed why the frick not, its great
It's also a variation of a move from DBO
The worst part about UI is that it will never be nothing more than Super Saiyan White and will be replaced by something else eventually.
>and will be replaced by something else eventually.
Well, yes and no. The objective now is for Goku master UI outside of the form.
In the manga they let Roshi have a non-complete version of UI.
And absolutely everyone hated it.
my name isn't absolutely everyone.
I like how people just pretend the later panels don't exist where Roshi couldn't actually land a hit and Jiren wasn't serious about fighting back until he got bored and eliminated him in one shot.
Anon, no one ignores it, it's just shouldn't have happened to begin with.
Jiren isn't a mook like the people Roshi eliminated in the anime Jiren is the main target of the arc.
So was Kaioken, but no one other than Goku learned it, even though Piccolo, Tenshinhan, Chaozu and Yamcha did the same training as Goku at King Kai's.
>musou tensei without any of the soul or gravitas
no thanks
>moeshit babble
i'll be sure to post it in spanish next time jorge
>Fist of the North Star
>moeshit
Kenshiro makes Goku look like a sissy b***h.
>main character is a fricking simp
Like I said, moeshit.
>Simp of the north star
>moeshit
It isnt 2007 anymore
Call it by the English name you gaylord. You're the type of guy to watch berserk and call them Gattsu and Griffisu.
what the frick is the english name
>Muso Tensei in English
Believe it or not, 'Unconscious Transmigration of Souls' is a bit of a mouthful, same as 'Nil-Thought Rebirth'
>Shoot spirit bomb
>Chadren throws it back at you
>Become stronger and unlock new form
did Hackiyama run out of ideas and decide to use Zenkai boosts again?
>speedwatcher
Yeah because absorbing the spirit bomb is anything new.
That's just the anime version. In the manga Goku remembers all the lessons he learned from every master he has ever had (Roshi, Korin, Popo, King Kai, Whis, not sure if I'm forgetting anyone) and applies them all at once to enter Ultra Instinct.
The manga way was such horseshit.
Always hilarious when you moronic Mexicans think the anime did anything better than the manga
Except only Mexicans like the manga and toyoshit. Next you'll be saying GT is good.
I feel bad for you if you're NOT Mexican and actually this moronic.
The irony.
Black person, you have FRICKING ROSHI outskilling Jiren to the point of making somewhat of a battle. Even if Jiren is literally millons of time faster than him, no skill is going to be usefull if the opponent can run circles around you...LITERALLY
Don't try to reason with spics, they will defend toyble with their lives.
Do you forget that after styling on him for a bit Roshi got knocked up by a light chop? Jiren just didn't want to rough up an old man too badly and got surprised.
Just the fact that it the fact lasted for any amount of time, it's stupid. As much as jiren is a moron that doesn't take his opponents seriously, when he does he instantly knocks them up (not actually knock them off the tournament, because toys of goku and Fem Broly would tank)
I mean yeah, the manga also treats Ultra Instinct as nothing more then a powerup
But it isn't. It's even introduced as Goku being told he always had the means to enter it through his masters' teachings but didn't know, and they didn't do some big flashy introduction of it either, he just uses it immediately and unconsciously.
That's what makes it stupid, they start off treating it like a skill like the anime but then they treat it like a power up half way through the arc and then double down in Moro and Granolah.
It was far cooler as a skill, a state of absolute calm that pulls forth the height of the user's ability that is otherwise inaccessible, with a price for misuse.
Where do you read the manga ( can you please share the site)?
>Hackiyama
>implying he was involved anything more than superficially on that garbage
>gets an omega looking powerup complete with flashy giant beam in the sky blinding everyone
This was so fricking stupid. UI wasn't a powerup like the traditional SS forms where you just gained more raw power and speed. UI was a state of mind that you can essentially see your opponents moves coming before they strike allowing you to move through them effortlessly.
Both the UI Omen transformation (shown) and the MUI transformation where he sucks up the power of the universe are fricking moronic in how they're shown. Neither are an actual powerup, yet they're treated visually as one.
There's no giant explosion of power when going into UI or MUI. It's fricking stupid.
Literally nothing you said was correct.
Literally everything I said was correct.
UI/MUI isn't a powerup transformation like SS. It doesn't make your raw power or speed any better. All it does is essentially removes that part of your brain that has to think through your moves and allows you to defend/attack effortlessly without thought or concern.
That's it. That's the entire form. it doesn't grant extra speed. It doesn't grant extra strength. It's quite literally just a peace of mind state that allows Goku to dodge shit and punch with more conviction and focus.
>All it does is essentially removes that part of your brain that has to think through your moves and allows you to defend/attack effortlessly without thought or concern.
No, not even close.
It essentially unlocks the body's full potential and allows the body to react to oncoming threats autonomously in the best way the fighter can.
The full potential part is important because both the anime and manga has that be a detriment to Goku and Moro respectively because their bodies can't contain the increasing power because they're not used to using it
>No, not even close.
That's quite literally exactly how it's explained in the manga, and the anime, and then the manga two more times.
You're thinking of Gokus third UI form where he essentially taps into SSB while UI that he's only able to keep up for about 10 seconds during the Granolah arc.
>That's quite literally exactly how it's explained in the manga, and the anime, and then the manga two more times.
You should probably read and watch it then because that's not in either of them.
Omen was cool. SSJ Silver is lame as frick.
Agreed. It's kind of an asspull, but it's an EARNED asspull
>Fighting is in the air only
What were they thinking?
GT was better than super and I'm sick of pretending it wasn't.
GT didn’t have a single good fight
It really wasn't. The only thing GT has over Super is not having a transformation fetish for the heroes.
>The only thing GT has over Super is not having a transformation fetish for the heroes
I mean, furry Goku was definitely a transformation fetish.
I cant remember GT but Super is so abysmally shit I wouldnt be surprised, I miss when Dragonball looked like that instead of the weird plastic look it has now
If you don't remember GT it's for the better. It doesn't have a single piece of good animation.
As someone who will shit on GT any time of the day, I will give it credit for actually having the entire cast participate. It may have been lame that Majuub, Goten and Trunks got annihilated on the daily but they at least tried.
He could have achieved this by beating Omega like a stepchild until the dragon used it out of desperation when on his last leg.
This. Everyone except Goku and Vegeta are irrelevant now and reduced to side characters.
I knew I wasn't watching the same series that GT left off anymore when Krillin went off to fight Frieza but 18 just stayed home to watch her child when Bulma exists to babysit. Frick right off, when Space Hitler is coming to town, you bring EVERYONE to the fight.
Not really
Piccolo and Gohan became relevant again
>what is TOP arc
>what is the Moro arc
>what is Super Hero
>what is Future Trunks arc
Awful and Goku centric.
>top arc was Goku centric when every u7 fighter had a major fight and it ended with Goku and Frieza double teaming Jiren and 17 being the overall winner
>Moro arc was Goku centric when everyone was fighting on earth because Goku and Vegeta were stuck off world
>Super Hero is Goku centric becuase he was off world for the entire movie and Gohan beat Cell Max
>Future Trunks arc was Goku centric when Trunks has just as many fights and dealt the final physical blow to Zamasu
I'd even add the future arc since Trunks did a lot.
But I added Future trunks arc.
Yeah my mistake dude.
I also forgot to add mini Super Hero prequel arc.
>Future Trunks arc
God I can't believe what they did to my boy. There are characters in fiction who became villains after getting done dirty a tenth as hard as Trunk did after Goku Black.
>, I will give it credit for actually having the entire cast participate.
Which they don't really, it's called Goku time for a reason because Goku has the most screen time of any other character with everyone else jobbing for him.
Counterpoint: Most of Goku's SSJ4 debut was spent with him getting healed by his friends and family while Majuub gave Baby a stomachache.
Yeah, that doesn't change the fact that everyone was taken out by baby before and Goku was left to have extremely lengthy, poorly animated fights.
Same with Super 17 where you THINK 18 would play an important role at the end but just plays a distraction while Goku punches a hole in him.
Same with every shadow dragon except the poison water one and the wind one where it was a double team with pan.
>everyone was taken out by baby
>just plays a distraction
>double team with pan.
More participation than in Super.
>More participation than in Super.
Yeah no. The ToP alone beats the entirety of GT in Goku-less fights.
>Gohan and Piccolo vs the u6 namekians
>Gohan and Frieza vs Dyspo
>Krillin and 18 vs Shosa
>Roshi taking out 3 different people
>Tien vs Harmila
And then everyone who's left fights off Aniraza
>Tien vs Harmila
I liked the part where he did the tribeam.
>As someone who will shit on GT any time of the day, I will give it credit for actually having the entire cast participate. It may have been lame that Majuub, Goten and Trunks got annihilated on the daily but they at least tried.
Huh... Tenshinhan? Yamcha? Even Piccolo just appears to die. Super has issues due to pushing Vegeta as a duo with Goku and that kind of stealing air from other characters, but it's still much better about featuring the supporting cast than GT was... even though Super itself isn't even good at it, GT's use of the cast was just that horrible.
>I miss when Dragonball looked like that instead of the weird plastic look it has now
The hilarious part is that GT started that look.
Kubota and Shintani will save Dragon Ball.
I wonder if I would have liked the movie better if they didn't start it with that segment. I can't help but wonder what it would have been like if they animated it entirely like that.
Don't worry, Kubota will be back.
this to me is why budoikai 4 was made. if the anime was still going on, im certain fighterz 2 would be in high production, but since the game uses so much material from the anime and manga, ASW cant do much with new characters yet. np voice actors for new cast, ect.
This is what happened when we stopped doing cel animation and switched to digital
I never pretended. North hispanics (or americans if you respect their "pronouns") aren't people and are to be ignored.
Based. I rewatched GT in japanese and it's unironically kino. It has its flaws, but not as many as Super. Super was a fricking mistake and shows people will lap up any garbage as long as it has tons of poorly written transformations and flashy colors
>as long as it has tons of poorly written transformations and flashy colors
And you're defending GT.
How many new transformations did characters get in GT. And how many did Super get? Go ahead, I'll wait.
>How many new transformations did characters get in GT
All of them or just the protagonists?
Because GT still has Super beat with 2 while Super only has UI.
Actually Nuova was kind of an anti-hero so 3.
>All of them or just the protagonists?
All of the new transformations for existing characters. But even if we wanted to just argue the main characters (Goku/Vegeta), GT has SSJ4 and that's it. We can count the golden oozaru, if you want. That only makes 2
>Because GT still has Super beat with 2 while Super only has UI
Based moron. If you're gonna pretend to be moronic then just say it outright.
>All of the new transformations for existing characters
Okay
Golden ape
SS4
Majuub
Super 17
Black Smoke Shenron
That's five.
Also I forgot evo blue so that's 2 for super.
Okay and now Super:
SSJ Blue
SSJ Blue Evo
Kaio-Ken SSJ Blue
UI
Ultra Ego
Orange Piccolo
SSJ Rage
Beast Gohan
Black Frieza
That's 9 and not counting SSJ God and Golden Freeza, if you were gonna play semantics. That's also not counting side characters
>including blue when that was introduced in a Z movie
>Including kaioken as a form
>including rage as a form when it's just SS2
Talk about desperation.
By your logic this counts as a form
>including blue when that was introduced in a Z movie
Semantics
>Including kaioken as a form
It's not Kaioken, it's SSJ Blue Kaioken. It was long established he couldn't use Kaioken and SSJ at the same time, Super lazily retconned that
>including rage as a form when it's just SS2
Different colored hair, different length, massive power gap
I accept your concession
>Semantics
Hardly, RoF is a Z movie whether you like it or not. No one calls Abo and Cado Super characters after all.
>it's SSJ Blue Kaioken.
Yes, a combination of an existing form introduced in a Z movie and a technique introduced in Z proper.
>It was long established he couldn't use Kaioken and SSJ at the same time
Unfortunately for you filler counts this time around.
>Different colored hair, different length, massive power gap
It's still considered SS2 across most pieces of DB media, only Heroes calls it rage.
>No one calls Abo and Cado Super characters after all.
That's because no one talks about them at all.
>Yes, a combination of an existing form introduced in a Z movie and a technique introduced in Z proper.
>Unfortunately for you filler counts this time around.
All of those movies were and are still not canon. If you're going to argue things introduced in the old movies, then we should count Heroes. Because any of those forms could potentially become canon later on, just like SSJ Kaioken
>SSJ Blue
Z movie
>SSJ Blue Evo
1
>Kaio-Ken SSJ Blue
Technique
>UI
2
>Ultra Ego
3
>Orange Piccolo
4
>SSJ Rage
Not a real form
>Beast Gohan
5
>Black Frieza
6
That anon so forgot
The 4 baby Vegeta forms, full power ss4 and the individual shenron.
>The 4 baby Vegeta forms, full power ss4 and the individual shenron.
Baby and all of those Shenrons were new characters
You know that is cheating, by your stupid logic super has
Blue Evo
Ultra Instict
God of Destruction Candidate
Lovely Love, Love Ribrianne
Ribrianne
Ultimate Mode
Super Saiyan Rosé
Super Maximum Light Speed Mode
Super Saiyan Berserker
Infinite Zamasu
And if we count Movies
Beast
Piccolo piss
Are you counting Super Heroes as well because they have UI Gogeta or some shit like that actually they have a frickton more
Anon that's your logic, we weren't including new characters mostly because it makes it unfair to GT and if we were to apply it we would get
Golden Ape
SS4
Full power ss4
Baby Vegeta
Super Baby 1
Super Baby 2
Luud full power
Hyper Meta Rilldo
Meta Rilldo
Mutchy whip form
Doll Pan
Super 17
Black Smoke Shenron
The darkness dragon form shenron
All seven shenron's normal forms
Omega shenron
Giant form Rage
True form Oceanus
True form Nuova
True form Naturon
Naturon Pan Absorbed
I probably missed some but I don't even care that much about GT I'm just digging memories up from childhood.
>Full power ss4
Not a form, it's literally SS4 amped up. By that logic kaioken is also a form
>All baby forms
Literally super saiyajin forms, unless you count Bejito blue and Gogeta blue as new transformations, because by your logic, they are
>Doll Pan
Bejita sealed on the container is a form then
>Not a form
It's definitely considered a different form across all DB media.
>Literally super saiyajin forms
They aren't.
There's a reason why it's called super baby and not super saiyan. Also if you aren't counting them then you can't include most of your list for super for the same reasons.
>Bejita sealed on the container is a form then
Anon that's just Vegeta sticking a pacifier in his mouth, his body doesn't change.
Also I forgot to add Majuub
>It's definitely considered a different form across all DB media.
No it isn't. It's literally goku beffed up with energy
>There's a reason why it's called super baby and not super saiyan. Also if you aren't counting them then you can't include most of your list for super for the same reasons.
It's called that because the diferent design, but it's literally just SS forms with a diferent coat of pain
>Majuub
It's a fusion
>It's literally goku beffed up with energy
Much LIKE kaioblue but full power ss4 is still considered a form.
>It's called that because the diferent design
Making it a new form, that's the only only qualifier.
>It's a fusion
It's a form
Of and I forgot the Suguroku guys
He had the announcer transformation
The dice
And the pliers
Also all of the nonsensical Ultra insticts form (yes including the shitty manga), count as transformations then
>Also all of the nonsensical Ultra insticts form
We already counted all two of them.
In other words you're on 27 for super, 34 for GT.
True UI
Mastered UI
Sign UI
Perfected UI
And whatever else toyotaro drawed in a drug trip
also
Seven-Three Absorbed
With Merus' Power
Earth Fusion
And granolah bar with sharingan
>True UI
>Mastered UI
>Sign UI
>Perfected UI
Anon, there's just sign and mastered
Perfected UI is just a state of mind that doesn't change the body as said in the manga
And true UI isn't a thing I assume you're associating that with the aura but that's all it was.
I was refering to "half way UI but not really, but that makes goku stronger?"
And that's super 31, GT 37 as a final count.
And if you count this
Whirlwind Speed Mode
Raging Battle Mode
Barry Final Form
Barry 2nd Form
Watagash Barry
Roasie
Kakunsa
Super Ribrianne
Ganos Avian
Basil post "thing"
Super Saiyan (Full Power)
Koichiarator
Anilaza
Anilaza (Transformed)
I miss the days where DBZ games had crazy “What if?” stories. Like in Tenkaichi 2, they had a saga where Zarbon turned against Frieza because he wanted to be pretty forever. And a saga where Raditz turned good because Piccolo concussed him.
>And a saga where Raditz turned good because Piccolo concussed him.
Raditz is wasted potential: the character
I’m really, really surprised he’s the only villain in the main series not to make a return ever again in the whole series. Even Nappa came back in GT.
Raditz was not only the first villain in Z, but he’s gokus fricking brother. Goku fighting along side his brother would be pure kino.
Raditz got a brief appearance in Super Broly, but that was it.
Gohan's Anger is fricking SOVL. Faulconer had some good tracks.
Gohan's 4th unearned power up is so epic, bros... Now he can get back to reading books about bugs
I am hoping that he finally writes that book about Ki.
>Gohan’s Anger
>Vegeta’s theme
>Super Vegeta theme
>Super Saiyan 3 theme
>Buu Saga theme
Faulconer bros won
>forgetting Ginyu force and Celle theme
Cell*
Faulconer music is the Dark Souls 3 of DBZ music
So it’s the only good version?
How does End of Z even work in a post-Super timeline? Uub shouldn't even register in Goku's radar anymore now that he has godlike powers
Read the Moro arc. Uub has inherited most of Grand Kai's power.
Piccolo with black nails or white?
It’s bullshit that you can’t change costumes in this game. I wanna fly around the world in the Whis gi
End of Z, Goku will save Ukraine
The Buu Saga was good, and I’m tired of pretending it wasn’t
nah its not good, its KINO. comfy arc and a nice way to end the Z series.
it's a pleb filter
Only Gohantards are scalinggays hate it.
It was "good enough". Easily the weakest saga, but I don't feel as disconnected from it as I do from Super. I don't skip it when rereading the manga, but only ever read the super chapters once.
It's better than the Cell arc, and I'm tired of people pretending it was better than any of the other Z arcs. Thought Saiyan and Frieza arcs are still the highlight of Z.
>Easily Goku’s best look
>Ruined in the first 10 minutes when he turns into a kid
End of Z gi is better.
Nah, the yellow pants are pure drip
Nah.
Everything about GT was such a travesty.
SS2 with these clothes would look great. Did we even get it for normal Goku? or just for the kid one?
Closest we got is Final Bout Goku
>no official way to watch Z in britbongland outside of buying blu rays
I suffer
Remember when they used to show Kai on Pop!?
Yes. They show super now.
But super is made of suck.
Huh, didn't know that but then again I haven't watched actual TV in years.
ENTER SOON.
I prefer the Gogeta who doesn’t waste time
>This Gogeta spent every second even in Super pounding Broly mercilessly into a fine paste and then did not hesitate to go for the kill
Not even Super fricked up what GT managed to. Imagine.
>FR Gogeta immediately launches into battle
>Broly Gogeta, thinks of a name and immediately launches into battle
>GT Gogeta fricks with omega and even uses a party popper instead of just killing him
Frick GT man.
What you forget about SSJ4 Gogeta you morons, it's that he was acting like that to taunt Omega and make him use his Negative Energy Ball, Gogeta then used a counterattack and reversed the polarity of the attack, turning that Energy Ball into a Positive one to clean the earth's atmosphere and nerf Omega, Vegito did the same shit with Buuhan.
GT haters are so moronic, I swear
>it's that he was acting like that to taunt Omega and make him use his Negative Energy Ball, Gogeta then used a counterattack and reversed the polarity of the attack, turning that Energy Ball into a Positive one to clean the earth's atmosphere and nerf Omega,
Hey anon, not only did it not nerf omega, it just destroyed the barrier around earth cutting it off from everything else but you know what else would have done that?
Beating Omega.
Not to mention, the universal spirit bomb shouldn't have worked because Omega put that barrier back up!
People don't hate GT because it exists anon, people hate GT because it fricking sucks. It's plotholes on plotholes.
are you talking about that movie that wasted tons of time "testing" each others powers at different levels and asspulled gogeta just to get it over with so they can roll credits? That's not character development or quality writing.
It IS a commentary on how Goku and Vegeta's approaches of playing with their food is a bad thing and is why someone more no-nonsense like Gohan needs to take the savior mantle.
>That's not character development or quality writing.
You don't need character development for characters who have had development for like what 35 years by that point? The only character development they needed was Broly and he gets it
Also you say they're wasting time but there was literally zero reason to go all out against Broly from the start.
Not my Gogeta
Can't wait for the Baby arc in Kakarot.
This scene is one of the few that encapsulates why GT sucks ass.
I forget Goten even exist
Why do hispanics love any anime comprised entirely of multicolored explosions
>DBS
>GT before Super
>Wan Piss
>Bleach
Americans are the biggest consumers of Dragon Ball.
There are a lot of hispanics in the US, anon.
The Black person population is also adding to the viewer metrics but Black folk tend to only gravitate towards Dragon Ball specifically and not other spicsplosion shows.
Europeans also love Dragon Ball.
>multicolored explosions
Huh?
You're just listing popular shonen, Jump ones to be specific.
I vent even get SS Blue because this broken ass game keeps freezing during the same loading screen in that dlc every time. Shit game is unplayable.
Any man who doesn't love DBZ is missing something.
Just shonen in general is good fun if it's animated well.
So how much of the DLC feels like shit that should have been in the base game? I had a copy of it here in my backlog that I meant to get to at some point.
All of it.
Battle of Gods should have been a stapled-on menu next to the training area Bulma gives you, Rez F arc should have been after you hit a threshold with said training and End of Z would be the optional epilogue. Everything else is far enough removed to be acceptably separate.
How’s the game on switch?
Hewwo?
It runs surprisingly well.
I can't take this game seriously after they made up an excuse for animal people being a thing because apparently of an addictive drug people were taking that turned them into animals.
CC2, you're a damn cancer.
Really had me fooled OP
>Boot up Final Bout
>See the intro and think you’re about to play the greatest game ever
> https://youtu.be/L96o77rmRF4
>The actual game is pic related
How mad were you Ganker?
Not at all since I was a kid back then and being the only one in school who knew what SSJ 4. Was more frustrated I could never figure out the moves thanks to Japanese
>post the shit version
homie THIS is SOUL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6WHpp4_xv8
Nah, the Jap opening is better in the case of Final Bout. If you want to post superior english openings, here they are.
Why Budokai 2? It's an instrumental and you're just losing on Kageyama.
>Jap opening is better in the case of Final Bout.
Shit opinion detected.
This intro sold is the only reason I bought this game. No DBZ game has come close to hyping me as much as this did in the early 2000s
Eh, I never liked 1's opening, it didn't have that hype music like the others.
Budokai was already out by the time I knew this game even existed.
Saw it at a rental store once and was just like wtf there's Dragonball games on PS1? Obviously I didn't know Dragonball is from the 80s at the time I thought it was hot new shit.
>posting moeshit in /dbs/ thread
Is the general gameplay loop still repetitive as frick or have any of the DLC tried to address that? The general combat was fine despite being mashy, but it was everything else that was a drag.
Is the DLC on the same level as the base game with regards to number of 'higher quality' cutscenes and voice acting, or will most of it just be canned animations and text-only?
I have faith because both Kubota and Shintani have said that they are massive Dragon Ball fans and that they would put other projects on hold to work on Dragon Ball.
Really wish I got this game when it was released.
Dragon Ball games are so hit or miss, it's difficult to gauge which ones are worth the time.
This game's ass bro you made the right choice I wish I didn't get this game at release
Goku ain't having a good time
I am really hoping that we get Budokai 4 after Budokai Tenkaichi 4. You could to some pretty sick combos in Budokai 3.
Not likely. But I’d like to be wrong.
Either Budokai 4 or Burst Limit 2. Those were some good Dragon Ball games. Even though they weren't full-fledged traditional fighters, combos were crazy.
I just want a proper tournament fighter that isn't a 3v3 Marvel autismfest is that so much to ask?
Don't really see a point going back to Budokai gameplay it was always pretty mediocre.
So a 1v1 fighter?
A 1v1 2D fighter important distinction
I agree. I hope there’s a 1v1 fighter in future but I doubt it’ll happen outside of the new tenkaichi.
I actually enjoyed FighterZ. It was a bit scary at first, but I really enjoy the game now. I am even good at it too.
Oh don't get me wrong I liked FighterZ but I'm just way too dumb for games with assists would prefer something more simple and straightforward
I always wanted a DB tournament fighter so I kinda feel like I got monkey pawed on that one
Frick the Japanese track
Frick the Faulconer track
Bring back the heavy metal tracks
CEEEEEELL!
ONCE AGAIN YOU HAVE TAKEN FOR GRANTED THE POWER OF A TRUE ULTIMATE LIFEFORM!
it's cool how even this far down the line stuff like this still gets referenced in other series
do i watch or read super?
i've heard they both have their positives and negatives
They're effectively different products, similar only in broad strokes. Read if you don't have time to spare, cuz Super has the classic "shit takes forever" pacing classic Z was known for.
Watch.
The manga starts out fine but you can tell how rushed it was once it hits the Black arc and all of the plotholes come up.
don't bother, toriyama is barely involved, he's basically just overseeing shitty fan fiction, super is pure trash from start to finish
Watch the BoG and RoF movies. Skip to U6 arc and finish the anime. Then watch the Broly movie, read the manga and watch Super Hero.
i've watched those two Z movies and super broly
Congrats, you've already consumed half of Super.
Tbh, you can unironically skip the entire Super anime if you watched those pseudo-Super movies and miss maybe 1 reference.
You need to engage in both so you can properly chadpost in /dbs/, which is the real appeal of Super.
If you have time to waste then I'd say watch Goku Black and ToP and read everything else. Even after watching those arcs, there's some merit to going back and reading them too. The manga covers the arcs but some events here and there are different, like what happens with Zamasu at the end is a little different and Gohan/Roshi are a lot more relevant in ToP in the manga. SSB Kaioken is also not a thing in the manga and they instead opt for Mastered SSB.
>Gohan/Roshi are a lot more relevant in ToP in the manga
No they aren't. They have more screen time and better fights in the anime.
Roshi fighting Jiren and having a major role in teaching Goku UI is a lot more relevant than him serving as target practice for Frost and eliminating a literal random or two
Not really, it just comes off as really stupid because there's no way Roshi should be able to avoid attacks from Jiren who then goes on to match Goku in UI.
If anything something like that would make more sense in the anime but even they don't bother doing it.
how doesn't it make sense? the dude is a 350 year old martial artist and the whole point of that "fight" is that powerlevels are bullshit, it's not like he dodges for long anyway
>and the whole point of that "fight" is that powerlevels are bullshit
Anon, they've been driving that home for years already, Goku didn't even need that lesson. They just made him dumber as fighter just to force a moment between the two of them.
I personally disliked like 99% of super both in the anime and the manga but roshi vs jiren was kino
you are missing nothing by not watching Super
at least GT had a proper ending, but still not worth watching all the way through
watch Z and pretend everything ended at kid buu defeat
Vegeta always looked better without the armor
Post the FUNNY.
>End of Z
One of the worst ones they could have chosen. It's insanely short and going to be full of filler. I guess it makes sense for the game's send off though.
Pretty sure that a new season pass is already planned.
Broly and Uub will become bros learning under Goku and it'll be funny
Who is the best strongest fighter when it comes to martial arts / close combat techniques?
Roshi he's da masta for a reason
Goku has been trained by everyone, from pure martial artists to godly beings.
Tenshinhan. He was one of the smartest fighters that invented a frick ton of techniques, never stopped training and seeking to improve and devoted his life to martial arts.
Was there ever another good Dragonball RPG game like that one on the GBA?
Attack of the Saiyans for DS, a shame they never continued it with the rest of the series. Fusions for 3ds is cool too, mostly because of its gimmick.
>Attack of the Saiyans for DS
This is the best Dragon Ball game and it takes a real man to admit it.
I'm watching DBZ (Kai) for the first time and I'm about 5 episodes away from the end. I started watching it last February and by August I had watched up to the end of the Cell saga, and it's taken all the way up until now to get to 5 episodes from the end of the Majin Buu arc.
I loved the rest of it, but Majin Buu just fricking sucks as a villain, and the show feels schizophrenic now with how much it's jumped around and how much shit it's added of no consequence just to waste time
>Majin Vegeta didn't matter
>The Z Sword didn't matter
>Gotenks didn't matter
>Gohan spending 30 episodes sitting in a field with a dancing old man didn't matter
>Vegeto didn't matter
>Super Saiyan 3 didn't matter
I'm close to the end, and I've got the box set of Super sitting here since last year, so hopefully it picks up more there.
>Super
Be prepared for a hard drop off in art and animation quality with the tradeoff being none of the stories having the classic Toriyama "come up with a way to conclude the arc only for editors to tell him no and he pulls a new way out of his ass" cycle.
Vegeta didn't matter
He was the catalyst to reviving Buu.
>>The Z Sword didn't matter
It was the catalyst to ultimate gohan
didn't matter
It was originally meant to be a set up to Goku and Vegeta fusing with the dance but toei did it first.
spending 30 episodes sitting in a field with a dancing old man didn't matter
It led to ultimate Gohan which led to Gohan being absorbed by Buu which led to Vegito
didn't matter
Saiyan 3 didn't matter
These are true.
The problem of them all is each of them was Toriyama trying to give the series an ending and his editors said no as he was carrying each out. It's why everything had this air of "this will work, don't worry guys" cuz it originally was supposed to.
Well, the editors kind of backed down on Buu slightly.
Cell is where they went overboard.
>tori gives trunks a sword because 19 and 20 were the original antagonists
>editors demand changes because they aren't cool
>16, 17 and 18 become new antagonists, Trunks sword now has no purpose and 20 becomes Gero
>editors demand more changes because they're too normal
>cell is made to be as inhuman as possible without being a literal monster
>editors don't like it
>makes absorption a thing which makes no sense and turns him into not-Frieza
Every Cell form was born from an editor going "wait no" at the previous one, including Super Perfect to steal the W back from Goku.
Nah, Toriyama was clearly building up to the spirit bomb shit the entire time.
His whole deal was setting up a bunch of fakeouts (SSJ3, Fusion, Gohan), only to have the people of the world save themselves for once. Just so Goku can finally frick off, he's not needed anymore.
Not even, it was his former editor that told him 19&20 sucked.
Due note, that that guy was the editor that basically kept Toriyama's shitty tendencies in check to ensure DB would be successful. So that's why he put so much stock into his criticism.
I'll be honest, I think 16 was likely the main villain when he was introduced. His design screams "main rival", especially next to the twins, who just look like morons.
Yeah, the point of the arc is that bullshit powerups and super fusions aren't the solution this time.
what the frick? buu saga literally introduces fusion dance, potara, ultimate gohan, super saiyan 3 and majin vegeta, previously we just had super saiyan 1 and 2 which is basically 1 with lightning effects, and I guess supa bejita if you wanna count that one
>Majin Vegeta
>Super Saiyan 2 with a M on your forehead is a new transformation
Introducing =/= solution
learn to read, Pedro
Kai sucks because it changed the accent on Jeice
So was the game any good, or is it just an excuse to have a good ol' DBZ convo? Shit came out in 2020, how is it still full price on Steam with expensive season passes on top of that?
Kakarot gameplay is the equivalent of holding two action figures in the air and slamming them against each other
Did they ever go back and fix the base game?
I remember it went from really fancy cutscenes at the start of the game to straight cutting scenes by the Android Saga to still images in the Buu Saga.
No.
>End of Z
wait I never played this game are you telling me the retelling of DBZ didn't even get to the end of Z, and took 6 DLC packs to reach it? The frick did the game even cover? I remember being a kid and getting an (admittedly, abridged) retelling of everything up through the end of Z from fricking budokai 3.
>The frick did the game even cover?
Saiyan to Buu
And that's it.
To be fair, most DB games don't ever tell this point of the story.
I thought we got the last dlc for this game like 3 years ago, then again they added Human 21 to DBFZ way after the rest of the dlc so I guess this is a running theme.
Is “End of Z” just the buu saga or what?
"end of Z" is the part at very end where Goku meets Uub and decides to train him
Oh ok there’s a tournament too right? I’m just trying to figure out how the Uub stuff will work for a video game
Yes but no. Goku leaves before the end.
yep there's a tournament but there's not very little on screen fighting so the DLC is probably going to be almost completly filler fights to make up for it
(me)
there's very little*
It was the end of the series that introduced uub that can literally be summed up as
>Goku trains with Goten
>Vegeta and family appear
>tournament is mentioned
>pan appears
>Goku alludes to Uub
>Goku uses Buu to match up with Uub
>Goku ditches tournament with Uub
No. Sometime after Buu I believe a time skip to some tournament where Goku meets Uub then decides to frick off to train him as his replacement.
It's like what a 10 year time skip?
quick question: will I like this if I liked FOTNS: Lost Paradise?
if the gohan blanco movie showed us anything that a lot of stuff could happen before end of Z and end of Super
Does anyone know who is the best strongest fighter when it comes to martial arts / close combat techniques?
Uhhh great and all but did they frickin forget to release the world tournament dlc?
What even the frick was blutzwaves when all it took was finding yourself while in Super Monkey mode? If Vegeta could just grow his tail back, homie could have forced it offscreen with his artificial moon.
Blutz waves were an asspull to follow the literal asspull made purely to extend the baby fight.
Don't buy TB4 until 2026/27, wait for the PS5-8K/PS6 version
In a few years the Totally Final Ultimate Edition of Kakarot with every piece of DLC will be on sale for $20 because that's how Bamco does things. Will it be worth it to get then?
Yes.
>actual normal Dragonball thread instead of /dbs/ schizo autism
YAAAAAAAWWWWWN
GT had more soul in one scene in the worst Saga of it than Super in its entire duration.
Will the new Kakarot DLC acknowledge the everlasting 3-0, otherwise known as Akira Toriyama's will?
>finally beat
lol
LMAO
Bejita's headcanon doesn't count. He's beaten his vassal, known as the kissless one, 3 times.
>Fight where transformations and techniques weren't allowed so Goku couldn't just stomp Bejita with Ultra Instinct
Maybe they should tie one of Goku's arms behind his back next time as well. To make it fair.
So you are saying Vegeta won through pure Martial Prowess against a dude whose done nothing but train in martial arts his whole life?
Are you saying the only reason Goku wins fights anymore is simply due to power scaling and not technique?
All of his battles with Goku have been interrupted by being postponed indefinitely or turned into 1v2/3 until that one. His pride dictates that his fights in the Saiyan and Buu Sagas didn't count because of this.
Well. Every other time he would have he either got interrupted by goku's friends, or Goku simply didn't decide to fight him with his full power. Other wise if his friends didn't intervene Goku would have easily lost the first fight. The second fight Vegeta would have lost by being purely over powered or bitterly won due to Goku quickly expending his allotted time on earth going Super Saiyan 3 and Vegeta would have won through timer scam. Which would piss Vegeta off still. After that they never actually ever fought each other game until them fighting off screen in Super Heroes. In which he won because he realized powering up and being purely offensive won't make him a better fighter.
>Will the new Kakarot DLC acknowledge the everlasting 3-0
No one will because there was no 3-0. Hell, when Vegeta knocked out Goku they literally called off the fight.
>fight goku won, bejita did not acomplish his goal
>fight where goku was holding back and bejita stopped stopped first
>sparing match
Boom? BOOOOOOOM.
Hopefully we get to beat the shit outta pan and puub
How are they still doing DLC for this, XV2, and FighterZed?
Best Gi
Have they shown Pan? maybe they will also include her school uniform from super since this game adds filler to stuff
Hell maybe they can give us a canon name for her teacher, English dub called her Janet but there's no actual offical name.
I love DBZ and I tried this game but my god is it boring and repetitive. Does it get better?
Ehh, it will feel more fun once you unlock more skills, but there will still be an air of repetitiveness. There's a reason most DB games aren't RPGs. Though if you do want some fun RPGs, I'd recommend Attack of the Saiyans and Fusions.
So, what? We fight against teen Goten, Pan, and Uub, then frick off?
Now I actually really liked GT. I don't get the hate. The only thing I hated about GT was the bastardization of GT by Toei with all of the cut content because it wasn't as action oriented as original DBZ. The Black Star Dragon Ball saga reminds me of classic Dragon Ball instead of traveling the world they were traveling the galaxy and the Dragon Balls were intergalactic which was neat. And Goku becoming a kid again was dope. All of that nostalgia pandering people weren't ready for in the 90's. I'm sure if they releasef GT now it would be well received. It really wasn't that bad after all even with less hands on with Toriyama. It was just a good love letter to Dragon Ball.
>The only thing I hated about GT was the bastardization of GT by Toei
I'm sorry let me clarify the people who localized it in English who bastardized it. Not Toei. Sorry.
>. I don't get the hate
Poor animation
Too Goku focused
Terrible music other than the OP and ED
Rehashed shit out the ass
Turning Goku into a kid
Shadow dragon mechanics making no sense
>I'm sure if they releasef GT now it would be well received
It'd probably be more hated than it is now given super is a thing.
>Poor animation
Better than Super by a huge margin
>Too Goku focused
DBZ is literally about Goku
>Terrible music other than the OP and ED
>Rehashed shit out the ass
Not as bad as Super. DBGT was too adventurous.
>Turning Goku into a kid
Best part of DBGT
>Shadow dragon mechanics making no sense
Mistranslation.
We don't deserve GT.
>Better than Super by a huge margin
It's really not I mean, GT is known for lacking sakuga moments which super had a fair amount of, even then that wouldn't be a high bar.
>DBZ is literally about Goku
Yeah and everyone had decent fights throughout. In GT everyone just jobs for Goku.
music other than the OP and ED
>proceeds to post an ED
Good job proving me right.
>Not as bad as Super.
What? Anon, do you even know what a rehash is?
>DBGT was too adventurous
It was the opposite, it was too safe and that's both on part due to the poor animation and the urge for familiarity it was going for.
>Best part of DBGT
To you and maybe the entirety of Mexico. To legitimate DB fans? It served no purpose whatsoever. It's not like it weakened Goku, until they added in a new weakness with SS3 being incompatible with his childlike body despite the fact Gotenks was physically younger during the Buu arc and could do it with no issues and ss4 existed to rewrite that choice.
>Mistranslation
What? Anon, there's no version of GT where they make sense.
>DBZ: Kakarot is still getting DLC expansions
Jesus...just let it die. SIX fricking expansion packs. They could have made DBZ: Kakarot 2 or some shit instead.
Six is nothing, Xenoverse 2 just recently had it's 14th DLC pack.
An actual sequel I would imagine will go backwards in time to a younger Goku.
Are you kidding? They've only finished all the "canon" shit. There're still 13 more movies, at least 3 OVAs and who know what else.
So what's the canon reason that Vegeta can't go SSJ3 again?
Doesn't want or need to.
I think he just doesn't bother with it because he has SSG and SSGSS
So is it worth getting into xenoverse 2 without any of the dlc? Or is it one of those games where you want everything?
Oh it's definitely a complete game without the dlc but if you really want to grab it wait for a sale.
Bamco usually does one on their site for summer.
It’s on sale for 4 britbongdollarydoos on psn.
Then go ahead.
guys
GT happens after Super and it's clear there was something so fricking bad that happened because of Goku and Bejita becoming gods that they had to reset time to before battle of gods/super and stop all of that from happening and have 0 memory of it except for Whis and Beerus and probably the Kais+Zeno
I'm looking at Super era forms, how is Trunks but angrier a ''new'' form or Vegeta but bluer
Super shitty imagination and designs, Bejita and Trunks "states" are treathed as new states, because we know that toei knows that they can get away with endless recolors, to the point they can make new transformations that are THE FRICKING SAME EXCEPT SLIGTHY DARKER
>jobjeta