>new Scout models
>the proportions and sculpts are nice
>can't field snipers anymore
>biggest issue is lore; a good number of the heads are older looks dudes when scouts are suppose to be young, real young recruits
Does anyone at GW even fricking care anymore and think before they create? Like why is that 60 looking year old man (or the equivalate 40K age) still a scout?
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Doesn't the Marine process make you go through hyper-puberty? I could see Scouts ending up looking unusually old as a result. Also, some of those could be sergeants, whom are typically older marines who stay in the 10th company in order to train the next generation. Like Cyrus in Dawn of War II.
Wasn't Cyrus a regular scout during Soulstorm?
No. Cyrus explicitly was training scouts for Boreale's campaign. That's why he was so pissed. All the scouts he trained got killed by Boreale's incompetence.
The process of becoming a space marine takes literal years, of course they don't have baby face
they are selected from teens though
They're not teens when they get to scout phase.
Anon means "teens" in 40K age. It would be the same age you recruit for military now 18-20. You don't draft a 60 year old man into duty.
no teens as in 13 year olds is when they are recruited
They they are forced through man hood, the point being they get them before puberty
and by the time they see active combat its been literal years possibly decades of augmentation and training at that point so they're all like 20-30+ at the minimum i'd reckon.
no shit they are teens when they are recruited, the process ages them quickly into a man.
Then their first job is boy scout, except they look like Doom Guy.
space marines live for hundreds and hundreds of years (as long as they dont die in battle)
you could be fairly "grizzled looking" and still be a scout
Little-known detail about becoming a space marine iss that your peach fuzz actually looks good
I thought it was part of primaris' lore that they didn't have scout companies, which was their justification for not having scout models. Has that been retconned now that the new scout models are out?
Scouts are "kids" taken from planets who show potential and are given a chance to carry the geneseed.
>Sir, you've been a scout for 800 years now. Isn't it time you maybe give up? You aren't going to become a marine.
>ywnbam
>>Sir, you've been a scout for 800 years now. Isn't it time you maybe give up? You aren't going to become a marine.
You know that's actually a pretty great character concept.
>Eternal scout marine
>Made it through the first few rounds of space marine trials
>Gets assigned to a scout squad
>Decades pass and for one reason or another get specifically passed over again and again in favor of your battle brothers for promotion to full space marine
>Seen dozens of squadmates graduate through devastator, assault, and tactical.
>A few of them even made it to sergeant, sternguard or vanguard veteran, and even terminators
>Pretty sure that at least one captain used to be your bunkmate
>Gradually come to wonder why the frack you never got promoted....
>Maybe it's because you've always been the equivalent of a C- student. Just barely avoiding washing out by the skin of your teeth but never excelling enough to be noticed.
>Maybe because there's been a mutation in your geneseed and the black carapace just doesn't work and the apothecary doesn't have the heart(s) to tell you
>Maybe, the apothecary is just an butthole along with the rest of command is just fricking with you
>Regardless, you've become something of a fixture in the chapter, a veteran in your own way.
>You're always there to greet the new batch of neophytes.
>Some even ask you for advice, what little you can provide.
>Just as many write you off, use you as a case study on what not to do
>At least the serfs are nice to you
>Life isn't great but its not terrible either
>You know that's actually a pretty great character concept.
This is the concept behind Lukas the Trickster
I think that was because during the Indomitus Crusade Cawl had thousands of Primaris to give to the older chapters or start new ones so there was no need to "train" new marines at the time.
Where'd you hear that from? Not in any books I remember reading.
That was never the case. Scouts still exist. They've just been moved to Command & Support, like chaplains, librarians, command squads, etc. The 10th company now consists of 10 squads of Vanguard marines and the captain of the 10th company now has the duel title of Master of Recruits and Master of Reconnaissance.
Not quite. The scouts are still members of the 10th company, but their numbers aren't limited like command and support staff within the 10th company. The full fledged marines of the 10th are the Vanguard Sqauds
What are the 6th through 9th companies made up of now that tactical, devastator, and assault are gone?
The GW answer is:
Literally who cares, anyone who isn't a named character is relegated to being mentioned in a line that says something like "the [faction] swept across the sector conquering innumerable worlds and alien civilisations with their tactical genius"
Like, remember when a tank would get a new weapon but it would be an existing weapon, like a Plasma Cannon or something? And now it's all Boltstorm Excortiators and Plashurler Torrentrifles dreamed up uniquely for each unit? It's just baseless power level wankery.
That's nice but I'm a homebrew autist who has a mighty need to know.
Here. Codex-compliant
here you go beeboop
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88NDRvAHWd4 part 1
part 2
It's basically the same, but now it's delineated by role.
2-5 are "battleline," so Tacs and Intercessors, 6-7 are reserve battleline, 8 is reserve "Close Support" units, 9 is reserve "Fire Support" units, and 10 is full-fledged vanguard with scouts.
So OP is right, the dude is too old to be a basic scout.
Why do you come to that conclusion? At least one, if not two of the older heads in the kit will be for the squad's Sergeant, who is a full marine, while answers like
Are probably the answer or mostly likely correct.
More older heads could also serve the purpose for chapters like the space wolves who don't make newbies scouts.
There's a variety of highly plausible answers as to why the scout could look or in fact be older while still bring a basic scout.
It’s funny how a lot of complaints about 40k come from people who understand about like 20% of what they’re talking about
I still can't believe they turned the iron hands unique clan system into just this but with funny names.
Would you elaborate on the clan system? I don't recall much about how their companies were different besides the forgefather role
Young in Warhammer means >100 years old.
maybe they finally realised sending out their newbies to do the important job was a bad idea and learned from the Space wolves,
Why don't space marines wear hats?
They are in training, if they die they die. If they prove themselves they earn geneseed, new organs and armor.
Yeah but there isn't a single depiction of a space marine wearing a hat. It's all cowls or being bald.
The Emperor never gave them Astartes Pattern hats
Space Wolves wear hats
>>can't field snipers anymore
But why
They don't want people to stop buying the Eliminators.
>All of the options are packed into a five-man sprue, so you can double up on your favourite bits and build every operative available to the kill team without needing to make hard decisions like “Do I equip my Sergeant with a chainsword or a shotgun?”.
>This also means that Warhammer 40,000 players can build the complete set of options for a 10-man Scout Squad, including two sniper rifles and whichever two heavy weapons they like the most.
why does the scout have the power armour implants when he hasnt graduated to power armour yet
Could be for a sergeant that stayed a scout
Not really young. Look at this art from Advanced Space Crusade (when scouts where first introduced) the scouts are early/mid 20s, with some looking older (sergeants?). You are probably thinking about that comic showing teens first joining and one gets punished for whispering insults about his crippled Space Marine tutor.
are there helmeted options
I would hope not. Scouts never wore helmets.
The old dude is the Sergeant, who is a full-blown Space Marine with hundreds of years of experience and the job of training the newbies.
Holy frick, do you guys even read the lore? Or get it only from memes? The scouts are almost fully fledged marines. The only implant they are missing is the black carapace, needed to wear full power armor. The process of becoming marine includes rapid growth and "turbo" puberty. After getting the geneseed and other bonus organs any "teen" becomes full on roided man. The oldest guy may be a sergeant, whose job it to train recruits.
No, they don't read any of it, they just complain about it lol. There are a lot of dumb parts in the lore, especially HH-era, but yeah, an experienced Marine always leads the scout squads. I'm pretty sure there's even a named character for the role, but I don't remember if he's still supported or relegated to Legends now.
>Does anyone at GW even fricking care anymore and think before they create?
Actual design has taken a complete backseat in the last 15 years. The Design Studio has been absolutely gutted of personalities who might steer releases with their vision, it's just a load of lowly-paid (if skilled) GW fanboys following the instructions of the moneymen to belch out CAD designs.
Because it's just about pumping out this week's product now.
They can't even maintain stock levels on units for most armies. It's all about the FOMO, either direct "this is limited run so queue on the website from 8am" FOMO, or indirect "this item will be Temporarily Out of Stock for an unknown amount of time" kind of stuff.
They don't want you just buying a £20 (well £40 now) unit for the month to bolster your army. You're just a useless grog to them. They want the whales who will buy the £100 two-army box, the £50 limited edition print of a Black Library book, the new kid who "needs" £80 in paints.
Nice pasta.
An accurate pasta
Fresh pasta, just off the top of my dome
>pretty universally greed that the new models coming out are some of the very best GW has ever made
Technically? Yes
Spiritually? No
There's so much farted out because it's not the point any more
I can’t believe they thought these guns looked good. I’m glad these kits flopped.
The question is whether they'll redo the idea of a missile launcher marine.
Desolators didn't flop, they sold extremely well, ran out of stock everywhere. It was because they were hilariously broken OP on release, but I don't think the GW money men care about the why of it.
The kit never sold out.
The original set, with 10 of them, a brutalis and some heavy ints ran out quick.
>Actual design has taken a complete backseat
I don't know how you can say that when its a pretty universally greed that the new models coming out are some of the very best GW has ever made, not just refreshing old models their newly designed models like the tyranids or GSC, votann. Or their whole new ranges like in AoS its all incredible stuff.
GW does want whales but they are in a new golden era for designs
Most of the new models are all mostly monopose too. How fun!
That was the only reason I used to wait for a box release, at least you could vary up the poses, now I might as well by infernus marines from eBay cheap.
only the sergeant has facial hair, it is lore accurate
Scout Sargents are veteran marines who choose to mentor the younger generation.
You get what you tolerate.
>Like why is that 60 looking year old man (or the equivalate 40K age) still a scout
Wow
He is literally me.
>a good number of the heads are older looks dudes
Stress ages you fast, and I can't imagine the stress on the body and mind when someone is turned into a space marine. Bottom right can just as easily be in his 40s. Training and surviving said training can take decades.
Even though they're 12-14 when they're put in the program, scouts are def adult aged by the time they're fielded.
>he thinks a beard = old man
Sorry you only had a half puberty. Did your parents put you on the blockers, or are you just defective?
Literally just don't paint the hair grey?
Young by Space Marine standards can mean up to their 40s, about how long it can take to become a fresh recruit to become a full Space Marine, plus those 14 year old Neophytes don't get immediately shipped off to the Scout company until they have training & augmentation enough to keep up (unless the Chapter is incredibly desperate).
Though I'm sure some writer who doesn't know the lore for scouts has had them become Marines after like a year in the Scout Company. Usually they already have as much experience as any Veteran guardsman before they join the Marines.
The Scouts looking like veterans by mortal standards is perfectly lore friendly.
Also just don't paint the hair grey if it really bugs you.
Because that's a Scout Sergeant and Scout Sergeants stay as Scouts so to train the new generation of Scouts who would later become fully fledged Battle Brothers.
Some Scouts stay in the 10th Company to become new Scout Sergeants and the cycle continues.
See fricking Cyrus from the Dawn of War series who at this point is more famous than two other named Scout Sergeants in 40K.
And the we have the Master of Recruits who oversees all the training...and it's bizarre he isn't running around in Carapace Armor.
Now they have superior Vanguard armor for the full-fledged 10th company marines.
Whatever you say old dude.
The only stupid part about scouts to me is the fact they’re worth their weight in gold and outfitted like guardsmen. Half these teenagers could benchpress an entire family with one arm but they have to run around in a crop top and booty shorts for reasons? I refuse to believe they can’t make a full body suit of armor. Literally one unlucky shot and there goes 15 years worth of money, genes, and effort
What the frick
One unlucky shot can kill a Custodes.
This is more reflective of the limitations of standard, non-powered armor.
Take stormtroopers, for example. Carapace armor, but not fully enclosed--just protection for vitals, major arteries, and important joint/ball-and-sockets.
Without power for the armor, fully-encased armor is too bulky, unwieldy, limits mobility.
This is reflective of even the struggles of modern armor.
>One unlucky shot can kill a Custodes.
this is disingenuous as hell as the levels of power between the two shots on average would drastically be different between wearing full armor and having your full suite of organs
Shots to the eye piece will still be short to the eye piece.
yeah what’s more likely a scout to get shot in the eye or a Custodes? What are you saying
Unluckiness happens to everyone. That's why it's not a factor to making armor.
>One unlucky shot can kill a Custodes.
The price of being topless.
"I would rather have a Marine who was lucky than one who was good."
A Terran standard year is actually 1000 days so in universe, a 15 year old is actually closer to 30. Space marines live for thousands of Terran standard years if they're not killed in battle and I'm not sure there are any in universe examples of marines dying of old age.
uhhhh idk maybe its to pander to space wolf players
they love old farts in their scout units
i think?
i really dont care about space wolfs enough to remember
Not every scout becomes a SM.
Unless you're a Blood Angel, you spend years becoming a 'Marine'. Also, you are under no obligation to actually leave either, Telion remained a Scout Sgt despite him being entitled for Captaincy a dozen times over. This is one of the most autistic fricking nitpicks ever.
Did he get the last of the augments, or was he running around only as a partial space marine?