Lots of games on the Switch eshop are also on the Wii U eshop, both consoles are linked to the Internet? What's stopping them from letting me redownload games I've already purchased on one eshop to the other, or at least carry my save data over? They let you transfer all of your Wii data to Wii U, so why not Wii U to Switch?
Switch accounts and Wii/Wii U accounts are different. If you have a Wii U account, it transitioned to a Switch account. Besides aren't all the eshops now closed for business? I know at least the 3DS one is.
The switch is the EverythingButCurrentShit console
Its neat having something that turns on as fast as a phone and has okami dark souls and my bingbongwahoos
Its a piece of shit, but it puts in the work
This more than likely means they'll be using the same carts for the games too (or at least compatible)
And? You can't play your PS3 games on a PS4 either, yet you still carried over your PSN account. I don't know what you are trying to get at, because those two things are different. Backwards compability and account management are not the same.
The Switch is also completely different under the hood from both of them, running their games would not have been a simple task. Don't know why PS4 didn't get even half the shit for not including PS3 BC for the exact same reason.
Oh right because people b***hing about this are disingenuous.
Nah, I'm right. No one b***hes about being unable to play PS3 games on a PS4 anymore. It's the exact same situation, different hardware architecture making BC impractical.
>So tell me, how come it's okay when sony does it?
It's not. Just like it's not okay when Nintendo does it.
11 months ago
Anonymous
So how come no one b***hes about the PS3 library being left behind then?
11 months ago
Anonymous
Because you're in a thread about Nintendo and are doing what you claimed everyone else was doing. Trying to pretend nobody ever cared about BC for any other system and it's all just unfair harping on poor innocent Nintendo as if people like you don't also defend and deflect from what little criticism there is, is why you're a fanboy.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Trying to pretend nobody ever cared about BC
Oh no, people cared... for like a year or two, and then it became crickets. But here we are six years into the Switch's life and you gays are still b***hing about the same talking points.
I'll say it right now, it was okay when Sony did it, and it's okay when Nintendo did it. Incompatible hardware is a perfectly valid reason to omit backwards compatibility. There was no way the Switch was going to run Wii U or 3DS games, get fricking real.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Nah frick them, they could have backwards compatibility, but why would they when so many are either apathetic to it or are bootlickers like you defending them? It's why I'll not trust them again and stick with PC and emulation. I don't care what their reasoning is I expect them to inevitably kill any library I'd accumulate so why should I pay them a premium for a worse experience that they'll eventually take away?
11 months ago
Anonymous
You're moronic. They literally would not have been able to get it working well on the Switch's hardware. Maybe if they baked in some 3DS or Wii U hardware onto the board, but that would have inflated the price to stupid degrees and killed the console out of the gate. Same thing for PS4 and PS3. Maybe you're too young to remember, but the PS3 had to give up its PS2 BC just to cut down the price. >but muh PS2 classics
Yeah and if you've ever messed with the homebrew to make custom PS2 classics you'll find compatibility is spotty as hell outside officially supported games. And it only gets worse the stronger the hardware you want to emulate. It's not magic like you think it is.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>They literally would not have been able to get it working well on the Switch's hardware
Don't care, they could at least try. They can get all those NES-N64 emulators working, why can't I download all those games I had bought from the Wii-WiiU? They had all that tied to my club nintendo account. You know the answer. Why the hell should they care about backwards compatibility when they can make you rebuy or rent all those games you've already bought? When people like you will just take them at their word and handwave it away as some insurmountable task and go along with the shafting? I'm sure you defend things like paid online as a necessity for server costs too despite them using P2P.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>They had all that tied to my club nintendo account.
Oh, it's you again. lol You want companies to act like charities and turn a rewards program into a backup service. You're completely unreasonable. >They can get all those NES-N64 emulators working, why can't I download all those games I had bought from the Wii-WiiU?
Can't think of any reason for first party titles, but third party titles? Licensing, easily. >Why the hell should they care about backwards compatibility when they can make you rebuy or rent all those games you've already bought?
Same reason PS5 and Series X have it, or any other console to feature it for that matter. Because it encourages the old hardware's install base to sell the old and upgrade to the new. Nintendo has historically offered BC when it was feasible. Wii could play Gamecube discs because it had nearly identical hardware, Wii U could play Wii discs because it was the same kind of hardware, just beefier. Nintendo didn't just arbitrarily decide to cut the feature because they wanted to sell you Wii U games again. They wanted the Switch to succeed at all costs and would have sweetened the deal if it were feasible.
>I'm sure you defend things like paid online as a necessity for server costs too despite them using P2P.
Paid online is cancer and I hate Microsoft for opening pandora's box at least Switch online is cheaper for the lowest tier of service. I hope the connection issues get patched up next gen.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Oh, it's you again. lol You want companies to act like charities and turn a rewards program into a backup service. You're completely unreasonable.
I don't think I've ever mentioned that before so I doubt you're who I think I am. You call it a simple reward service when it was a Nintendo account with games tied to it that they scrapped. You bring up licensing when you clearly know Nintendo at the very least has full control over their own games. You act like a corporation simply allowing you to keep your games over letting them rot and die on old hardware in favor of renting or selling them back to you over and over again is performing a charity. I do not want to hear anything about being unreasonable from you. >Wii U could play Wii discs because it was the same kind of hardware
It could've also played GCN games. There's a reason why they didn't allow that even back when they were consumer friendlier than they are now. I should've fully understood that reason back then, but I do now after they took everything away and again now there's not a single reason why I should ever bother paying a premium for a worse experience that I know they will inevitably take away again, especially when PC now also offers the only benefit Nintendo had left.
I want to like Nintendo. I grew up with them, they were my childhood. But they're scummy as frick and now that I'm on the opposite side criticizing them I fully understand just how cancerous fanboys and fanbases can be to their own detriment.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>I don't think I've ever mentioned that before so I doubt you're who I think I am.
Oh, I think you're exactly who I think you are, because I refuse to believe there's more than one person moronic enough to believe >it was a Nintendo account with games tied to it
This was never the case. You fed it codes that came with games, sure, but it was for their rewards program. You filled out surveys and then they gave you points to save up, that's it. It was never intended to tie games to it and even trying would have been moronic and costly. People sold and traded those codes all the time. >You act like a corporation simply allowing you to keep your games over letting them rot and die on old hardware in favor of renting or selling them back to you over and over again is performing a charity.
The level you're expect is absolutely charity, yes. Getting old Wii U and 3DS games to work on the Switch would have required porting and that would have been so costly that the Switch would never be profitable. Literal charity. No, emulation would NOT have done the job. Have you seen the state of 3DS emulation on the Switch? It's terrible. Wii U is a no go entirely. Wii and Gamecube barely work to acceptable levels. >It could've also played GCN games.
Sucks that it can't, but design a drive that could read them as well as Wii U discs probably would have pumped up the price. Same with building in controller ports and memory card slots. And don't think of it just in terms of raw material costs, there's also accommodating for them in the console's design, which could have impacted shelf space. Incidentally, you know what one of the worst enemies of the Wii U was during its tumultuous life? Price. The gamepad hurt it, kept the console expensive to produce until the very end.
>But they're scummy as frick
They are objectively the least scummy of the three console manufacturers.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>This was never the case. You fed it codes that came with games, sure, but it was for their rewards program
And it was a unique code for that game, also known as a key. That key was on your account. It just being a rewards program does not somehow magically excuse not having a proper account system. They don't want a proper account system because they want to keep you renting and rebuying the same games every generation. >No, emulation would NOT have done the job
I'm not arguing the 3DS and Wii U games should've worked right away, I'm arguing that you should've been allowed to redownload all those other games with emulators that do work along with your eshop games and with the 3ds and Wii U games tied to an account they could be added later when the console is powerful enough. PC never takes any of your games away, if there's a licensing issue, they simply remove it from the store, never from your library, and obviously it being PC it's always still available in some form or another. Or just create hardware/software with backwards compatibility in mind from the start with no need to emulate. It's one thing for that not to be the case for ancient systems, it's another in the modern era. >objectively the least scummy of the three console manufacturers
They're every bit as scummy and are scummier in different ways. My brother has a PS5, apparently you buy a game on the PS4 and you also get it on the PS5, no need to transfer and lose access to it if for whatever reason you still want to play it on PS4. That's pretty cool. Heard similar capabilities with Xbox despite how much cancer Microsoft brought into the console space and then everyone else adopted.
But I really don't care who's scummier than who in the console space, it's all cancer and fanboys can at least stop defending getting screwed over. I know you can't do anything about the normalgay masses who couldn't give less of a shit, but you don't have to defend it.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>It just being a rewards program does not somehow magically excuse not having a proper account system.
It sure does, because that account system was never tied to the hardware and never facilitated digital distribution. Those codes were bonus codes shipped with retail discs. What you're describing is Nintendo giving away free digital copies with every retail disc, which is asinine. Or tying discs to those codes which would have killed them just like a similar concept nearly killed Xbox. God you're stupid. >I'm arguing that you should've been allowed to redownload all those other games with emulators that do work along with your eshop games and with the 3ds and Wii U games tied to an account they could be added later when the console is powerful enough.
None of it worked, because the hardware and OS were too different. Absolutely none of it would have worked. So again, you're asking Nintendo to port software for free. >Or just create hardware/software with backwards compatibility in mind from the start with no need to emulate.
This would have fricked them. Either would require building the old hardware into the new, which would have made it prohibitively expensive, or they would have had to base the new off the old entirely and run into the same problems as the Wii U. Wii U's hardware architecture was old as frick and difficult to work with. The Switch was focused on being friendly to work with. >They're every bit as scummy and are scummier in different ways.
Not even close. They've been the last to adopt every piece of israeliteery introduced by their competitors and did it in a more consumer friendly way.
You're obsessed with this idea of carrying over shit from digital storefronts. I understand you have that on PC, and that's cool, but PC is an open platform and it's generally on you if you can't get your shit to run. Consider that a console manufacturer is expected to make sure your shit runs for you.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>that account system was never tied to the hardware
Why would it have to be tied to the hardware? You should be able to put your account on any system you want, just make sure it's not active on more than one system simultaneously. >Those codes were bonus codes shipped with retail discs
That does not matter, I'm saying the infrastructure was already there and they killed it. >because the hardware and OS were too different
They have full control over that. >which would have made it prohibitively expensive
You keep making assumptions like this. You have no idea about any of this. Why are you defending them so hard? >They've been the last to adopt every piece of israeliteery introduced by their competitors
Which I gave them credit for. I revoked that goodwill when they adopted all that israeliteery. Consumers abandoning them when they were more consumer friendly and rewarding them by hopping on all the cancer in droves was also pretty infuriating. >and did it in a more consumer friendly way
Bullshit.
NTA, but didn't Nintendo have to rework the Wii U games so they were compatible with the switch? Like a lot of those games were dependent on the Wii U game pad which had features not present on the switch. Same case for the 3DS.
Just have the second screen take a smaller portion of the main screen. Or sell a separate controller with a screen on it.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Have a second screen take a smaller portion of the main screen
Come on anon. Even you know that wouldn't work
11 months ago
Anonymous
It's not idea which is why I also suggested the controller, but that's how emulating those dual screen systems works in general. Hell, it'd have been feasible to "dock" it in a way that turns the switch into the second screen.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>idea
*ideal
11 months ago
Anonymous
NTA, but didn't Nintendo have to rework the Wii U games so they were compatible with the switch? Like a lot of those games were dependent on the Wii U game pad which had features not present on the switch. Same case for the 3DS.
>Yet, they've been last in competition since the start.
Xbox have never won a gen, but they've handled online services better than Nintendo or Sony (Remember PSN hacks?)
The Xbox Series X can play game discs from the original Xbox, Xbox 360, and Xbox One. For movies, it can play DVDs, Blu-ray Discs, and Ultra HD Blu-ray Discs. That's pretty kino
>Remember PSN hacks
I do. You must be misremembering a technicality about it. It was never in plain text which you probably still believe and talk about.
They do BC best now because it's the one that actually works out of the current consoles. Microwiener is also the only one out of the consoles that will actually keep your account details on hand for 10+ years and help you recover it in case you come back after an entire console gen and want to redownload all those ancient XBLA games. What a saving grace that was for my Series X.
>They do BC best now because it's the one that actually works out of the current consoles. Microwiener is also the only one out of the consoles that will actually keep your account details on hand for 10+ years and help you recover it in case you come back after an entire console gen and want to redownload all those ancient XBLA games. What a saving grace that was for my Series X.
>Sony
You have to subscribe to PSN to get cloud saves. It's a fricking travesty. Also with Xbox, anytime you buy a first party title you automatically get a PC copy (not Steam).
Sony knows what they are doing by having the PS5 have less than 1 TB of storage. Since all my games can't fit on the storage I need to constantly back up my cloud saves and deelete thedm from the hardware when I'm done with them, and that's the only reason wwhy I pay for Plus. I don't even play online with my Playstation games.
The real story here is if this is true, it's really pointing to the next Nintendo system basically being Switch 2. You can't bring over all your Switch games if the destination can't replicate all the minor details of the system like the touch screen and joycons.
You missed the part where it says your purchases will be carried over, but your point does raise an issue. Nintendo KNOWS which Wii U title you bought, but they still charge you for full price with those enhanced ports instead of giving it to you for free or at least a discount. The downside to this is they're going to dip much more heavily into DLC than they currently are once when the port well dries up, mark my words.
Those were Nintendo Network ID's (a name distinction they made moving forward to the switch to pretend they're separate and have an out to not moving purchased licenses)
No, that was a different account system, and to my knowledge your purchases were tied to your hardware. You had to contact Nintendo to get them to move shit over for you, unless you did their built-in transfer service while buying a new one.
Watch 'purchases' just refer to the purchase of your subscription and nothing else carries over complete with them resetting their Virtual Console offerings so they can drip feed it all again.
Even funnier would be if the purchases carried over, but the virtual console lineup doesn't, so you buy the game once and then it just doesn't get released on VC for the next system.
Not until next year probably. Can't cannibalize Zelda and OLED sales for holiday season. You might see an investor call mention a "new console" or something, but nothing official until after holiday season
Not until next year probably. Can't cannibalize Zelda and OLED sales for holiday season. You might see an investor call mention a "new console" or something, but nothing official until after holiday season
It will have no project name, the console will just be announced by it's name. Furukawa recently said so
So yeah, no announcement to avoid cannibalizing sales by starting buzz/hype for the next thing. They're just waiting until the Switch is done and the new one is ready.
The new one is already ready. The GPU design was finalized some time in 2022 (based on the nvidia hack and LinkedIn profiles). They're most likely just waiting on software development.
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It will have no project name, the console will just be announced by it's name. Furukawa recently said so
Agreed i do believe it will be announced in late 2024 and out by 2025.It makes sense considering we are on the twilight years where there is a lot of nostalgic releases and good games. Also i do think we will be seeing Switch surpass the PS2 due to that huge 5 Mario grand slam announcement bump and 1-2 Switch.
The new one is already ready. The GPU design was finalized some time in 2022 (based on the nvidia hack and LinkedIn profiles). They're most likely just waiting on software development.
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Agreed i do believe it will be announced in late 2024 and out by 2025.It makes sense considering we are on the twilight years where there is a lot of nostalgic releases and good games. Also i do think we will be seeing Switch surpass the PS2 due to that huge 5 Mario grand slam announcement bump and 1-2 Switch.
The console is complete and even have some mass produced units already but they're delaying it's announcement and release to have enough units to prevent shortages like it happened with the Switch. Furukawa also said this
I don't know why this is suddenly such a big story when they literally stated as much w/ infographs around the time they switched how Nintendo Accounts worked when Switch first released...
Treyarch managed to destroy the Nintendo fanbase with BOII with how awful the Wiimote worked with it and how insane the auto aim for controllers were.
CoD 4 and WaW on Wii was legitimately a great experience. Wiimote+nunchuck was a great FPS scheme
All the CoD games for the Wii had solid multiplayer experiences. Hell, you needed a custom mic so you had very few kids with them and most of people who did were laid back adults.
WiiU? It has damn near full native Wii support, which in and of itself had near full native Gamecube support. If I recall correctly, the lack of Gamecube ports is the biggest problem with playing Gamecube games on WiiU.
The Wii and the Wii U are backwards compatible, the Switch wasn't because of the cartridge format, since the next console will most certainly also use cartridges, Nintendo has no excuse to not make the next console backwards compatible
It's not surprising because Wii u had a Wii processor which is itself a gc processor. Switch would have to emulate but isn't really strong enough without s lot of tweaking.
Switch could atleast have sold Wii VC games. We know they've written an amazing hypervisor for this considering SSHD has been improved in all ways possible
Nintendo have been pretty decent with backcomp, at least compared to Sony >GBA could play GB games >DS could play GBA games >3DS could play DS games >Wii could play GCN games >WiiU could play Wii games
the switch doesn't have backcomp for obvious reasons but I expect their next console to be compatible with switch games
There is rumors that there will be graphics pack updates and BC with the next console. It does make sense considering NVIDIA is in a partnership with Nintendo for 20 years, and we are on year 6.
There is rumors that there will be graphics pack updates and BC with the next console. It does make sense considering NVIDIA is in a partnership with Nintendo for 20 years, and we are on year 6.
I think that would be less xbox/sony's fault and more of the online for a game is no longer supported by the dev. If it's single player it should be fine
I have an Xbox Series X, the library transfer is tied to the account so there wasn't any charge for me. Hell a lot of the games are dual Series/Bone with the same price for each version, it's only like the new AAA stuff that has a completely separate Series version that costs more.
11 months ago
Anonymous
If more Xbox BC games had resolution patchs, it would be the most kino BC
This might be dependent on developer because you can have situations where Nintendo would support it but then 3rd parties do not allow you to carry it over and you have to buy it again.
So some 3rd parties might allow it, while others don't? Does that also effectively mean all current eShop games will be offered on the new system at launch?
depends on how BC Switch 2 is going to be. if it can run Switch 1 natively, then it shouldn't be an issue, but Switch 2 versions of games are probably gonna have to be made specifically to use the new hardware
I truly do not care, Nintendo consoles are always the easiest to hack and create CFW for because they are technologically illiterate and incredibly cheap. I will always emulate, or run CFW on Nintendo hardware.
I personally do not give a shit about my switch being banned from online, but in general if you just follow this guide https://rentry.org/SwitchHackingIsEasy there is absolutely nothing to worry about.
this literally might be what gets me to buy a switch
I've been fricking frustrated they've refused to port the WiiU Wind Waker/Twilight Princess ports to Switch but knowing that future purchases will cross over, I might have to pick one up for Breath of the Wild
I don't understand the association with carrying your account forward meaning BC is guaranteed. My PSN account from the PS3 era is also what I used on PS4 and my trophies did carry over, but my library didn't.
Nintendo really just should keep releasing improved versions of the switch. It's the culmination of everything that worked for them in the past generations, it just needs a 3D toggle
yes and nintendotrannoids will defend it. can't wait for the moment this news becomes a nothingburger with the shitch 2 and another reboot of their "services and shops", eat shit tendies
>You're telling me games you bought never carried over to the next console? What the frick
Don't be moronic. The only system that didn't allow it was the wii u to switch which wasn't uncommon since the ps3 to 4 and 360 to one didn't allow it either except for certain crossplay titles.
You could transfer purchases from the dsi to 3ds and Wii to wii u. Transferring VC titles from Wii to Wii U even gave you a discount on the superior Wii U version of those games.
Christ, no wonder Ganker hates Nintendo if they believe the bullshit people make up so easily.
Will my cartridges work on whatever their new system is? I don't buy digital because if they nuke my account for some reason (like if the servers go down in a few years) I still want to be able to play my games
How it's probably gonna work
Switch games run via emulation, some games will work great others may have issues
All first party games transfer, third parties depend on the publisher
Upgrade the graphics for some games for 10 dollars
Nintendo will never do backwards compatibility. A huge chunk of the switch's library are ports of old games. Backwards compatibility means they can't sell you Mario 64 for the 8th time.
Only Wii u ports sell and that's because no one owned that trash can. Metroid prime remastered sold like shit. I do not believe switch ports would sell much.
Anon, they sold you
Mario 64 (original)
Mario 64 (virtual console - Wii)
Mario 64 (virtual console - Wii U)
Mario 64 (virtual console - Switch)
Mario 64 (Superstar bundle)
They'll be damned if they can't sell it to you again (at full price) with the new console.
Nintendo has done backwards compatibility plenty of times in the past. Besides, tendies will rebuy games despite being able to play the original on the same hardware. TPHD sold over 1 million copies on a system you could already play that game on
That was the past before Nintendo embraced the business practices it's competitors use.
>Mario 64 (original)
Ok >Mario 64 (virtual console - Wii) >Mario 64 (virtual console - Wii U) >Mario 64 (virtual console - Switch)
Why would you buy more than one for any one of these? >Mario 64 (Superstar bundle)
Different game
Nintendo has done backwards compatibility plenty of times in the past. Besides, tendies will rebuy games despite being able to play the original on the same hardware. TPHD sold over 1 million copies on a system you could already play that game on
>huge chunk of the switch's library are ports of old games.
Not really. Mario Kart 8D is one but that game is entirely different than the WiiU game. Tropical freeze sold like 4 million maybe? Then like nothing else really. Switch made bank on Switch games.
It's a multiplat actually. "Porting" development is not a thing. Porting happens after official release. Instead of nitpicking so you can include one more port in your already huge list of 1, maybe look for other ports mmmkay sweetie?
11 months ago
Anonymous
>I'm not being a moron because I said something "trolly" at the end of my post
11 months ago
Anonymous
Nothing I said was wrong and your list still stands at 1 WiiU port on the switch (definitive version on Switch)
>twice as many tracks >different items >new modes >patched boost hopping >two items >nerfs and buffs on many carts, characters and gliders >fixed online >1080p not 720p >entirely new meta
Mario Kart 8 was one of the worst Mario Karts ever made. Many people think 8D is one of the best ever. You didn't play the game so take my word for it kiddo.
They only say it because they've heard other people say it and they're just repeating it hoping nobody does the leg work to prove them wrong. Switch mindraped many people this board. You are dealing with one of the casualties.
Nintendo has an investor q and a every season. These things are now every investor asking about the next console and Nintendo saying nothing but this time he gave a tiny bit of info saying accounts will transfer.
Big if true, not due to innovation or anything because Nintendo would have to be moronic not to with their current market share. Now is the time to do this on their end, one of the biggest issues with getting this sort of thing off the ground is having enough users and they just have that.
Did nintendo confirm backwards compatibility somewhere or are twittertards just assuming bringing the account over means anything? I expect NSO to stay, I'll believe actual backwards compatibility when I see it.
Reselling switch games is not worth giving up the massive hardware sales from bc. If this shit is bc everyone will buy it. If it's not a lot won't. They're gonna be transitioning to getting a huge chunk of their money from NSO sales anyway. They probably get rid of the 20 dollar version on switch 2 so everyone has to spend 50.
>Reselling switch games is not worth giving up the massive hardware sales from bc
That depends entirely on how arrogant Nintendo is right now. If they think they can get away with no BC, they will absolutely go that route so they can resell games over and over again. Considering how hard they got punished with the Wii U and how rewarded they've been for all the cancer with the Switch, I'd say it's a very good chance they won't go for BC. Nobody seemed to give a damn about it before when Nintendo was offering it and things like free online, while they're making shitloads of money now reselling the same games over again, renting them out, and making people pay to use their own internet for p2p.
>Nintendo has been infamous fo rleaving everything behind when they release their next-gen console
I played my Gamecube games on my Wii just fine and even used the same controller. I also played them just fine on my Wii-U.
Reselling games is profitable but do you know whatnis more profitable? Reselling games via a subscription. Adding GC to NSO will give them vastly more money than gc ports ever could.
Reading between the lines means they're a big chance physical cartridges will be different, or it'll be digital only. If I can't play my physical games on the next Switch, I'm not buying one.
Cartridges will definitely be different. That doesn't mean switch ones can't be used. GBA ran gameboy carts. DS ran GBA carts. It's easy to design a slot that fits both or even just add 2 slots.
One can hope, it could be like a DS/3DS situation. If it isn't, I'm done with consoles entirely and just gonna enjoy my Switch. Backlog is huge, enough games to last my life, many like JRPGs with huge replay value.
People are forgetting a big reason why Nintendo never implemented a cross gen account system is because every new console generation had a different exclusive controller gimmick associated with it that only games from that console could use.
If true this basically confirms the next console is just the Switch 2 and soft confirms that Nintendo is most likely done with console gimmicks and the Switch format will be permanent. They've already combined their handheld and home console lines into one, this forces every future nintendo console to basically needs a portable dynamic to it. Makes sense since smart phone games took a big chunk out of their casual market.
Next console after Switch 2 will 100% be Switch 3 and it might get rid of physical cartridges entirely. They can't go back to have a separate handheld and home console again. Combing both forces them to use a small cartridge format instead of discs. And we're already getting to the point where limited storage of physical carts won't be worth it for them to sell over just offering digital only games.
It's about fricking time. Alas, it's too late, since after refusing to do it from Wii U and 3DS to Switch I lost any faith in the longterm viability of my digital purchases with them and have largely avoided them since.
Yes they do, all the goddamn time. The only asspull in that tweet is the assumption you'll get to redownload your games on the new system because you can keep your account.
>hey dude i hope you're enjoying your mario 3 rom >yeah.. if you want it on the wii u OS you're gonna have to pay an upgrade fee >what's that? you want to play the mario 3 rom you bought on Wii VC and upgraded to Wii U VC on your 3DS? nah, we don't do that. buy it again bucko
Anon, that is the biggest fricking fib on this forum. Even during the Wii U in desperation, like giving a game away with Mario Kart 8, they've always shat on their dedicated and even normalgay customers. It's been a thing since the start, but people are just sad about those times since it wasn't as obvious because prease understandu and all that.
Nintendo have never changed, and all but a select couple times they've been given actual backlash they haven't done shit; they will always think the customer is wrong, and their stubbornness has somehow lead them to riches.
It's a narrative because Nintendo wrote it, not us.
Nintendo would be dumb as frick to not let their future console be backward compatible with past switch purchases. Wouldn’t want another Wii > Wii U fall from grace
>wii u has backwards compatibility and a bunch of other pro consumer and cool soulful features >fails horribly >switch has no backwards compatibility and no pro consumer or soulful features >massive success
Hmm
>implement carry over of your digital purchases for the next generation >VC has been replaced with NSO so you'll still have to rebuy whatever VC equivalent of Super Metroid is on the next system for 7 bucks >make the switch 2 not backwards compatible and just make "hd" ports of everything again
Enjoy your 70 dollar Mario Kart 8 Deluxe+
Woah thanks nintendo, took you 15 years to do something almost similar to what PS and xbox can do, bravo. Call me when Nintendo can do a decent online service
Nice to hear, but the cynic in me says that the only reason they're doing this is because their financial office realized that can't make dosh off of porting Switch games to their next console. You can get away with that when the game debuted on the mistake that was the Wii U, not so much when your previous outing is knocking on the door of PS2 level sales.
The exception is Mario Kart 8 because Nintendo apparently imbued that game with some black voodoo shit that makes it sell non-stop for time eternal. Wouldn't be surprised to see a MK8D+ on the new console.
>because who the hell wouldn't by now
Any corporation that knows their fanbase will not care and or defend it while they make bank reselling the same games over and over again.
that was always an issue with nintendo, they were always behind in something. only reason why people still buy their consoles and games are games like mario cart, smash bro. and legend of zelda, if nintendo didn't have these games they would have probably face bankruptcy for their consumer unfriendliness a long time ago.
Only reason people buy them is portability and the occasional lucking out with a gimmick and Nintendo finally realized that. Mario kart, smash bros, loz, etc. did not save the N64, GCN, or Wii U.
>“With regard to resale measures when launching new hardware, we recognise that the most important thing is to first produce and ship in numbers that can meet customer demand. We will then consider whether there are any other possible measures that can be taken.”
Given that Nintendo needs as many games possible sold to survive (unlike PS munching 3rd party)
its in their interest that people can get their console without going 100$ Mark Up on the scalper market.
Also Other ways to ensure Scalpers get fricked. >buying from Nintendo gets priority, 1 console per account >Accounts get priority based on seniority and usage >Accounts created after Switch 2 reveal dont apply >HARD LOCK retailers to 1 console per costumer >NO ONLINE sales if stock is below certain threshold
>Given that Nintendo needs as many games possible sold to survive (unlike PS munching 3rd party)
Part of why the PS5 is a dumpster fire is scalpers kept buying up all the stock so no one bought games, meaning the PS5 has no games.
There are now more games in the Pikmin series than exclusives for the PS5, it's that bad.
No one think it's some killer, revolutionary feature. Not even Nintendo. That's why they're plainly talking about it in shareholder Q&A.
Dunno why you have to sperg out about it
Nintendo knows it'd be good marketing if they were allowing everyone to transfer all their games. The fact they're so plainly talking about keeping the account during a shareholder meeting instead of making a bigger deal about it just implies to me you'll keep your account/NSO and game transfers and backwards compatibility shouldn't be assumed until explicitly confirmed.
>tendies saw Open World, physics, and account migration for the first time in the last recent years
Welcome to the 21st century, tendie child groomers lol
>A company known for making hecking consumer unfriendly moves!
Shit like shutting down pirates and IP flips isn't "consumer unfriendly", Sony would be just as quick to jump on that if anyone bothered doing rip offs of their IPs, or if they were suffering the same "emulation" piracy issues.
>Something that should have been implemented 10 years ago
It's crazy nintendo fans just accepted the fact that all their Wii purchases never carried over to the WiiU and again onto the switch
Its also crazy that writing the word n1n10drone without the numbers constitutes the entire post as spam.
>It's crazy nintendo fans just accepted the fact that all their Wii purchases never carried over to the WiiU
You could transfer all digital purchases.
>Its also crazy that writing the word n1n10drone without the numbers constitutes the entire post as spam.
A lot of things are on the filter, drone was added shortly after Sony-gger was because sonygays constantly bragged about how mods protected them.
Okay, I can move my bring my digital games to the next Nintendo console, But is the next Nintendo console backwards compatible with the Switch's cartridges? I buy Physical and i don't want to get fricked over.
this is a sure path to victory. but I still expect switch 2 to have some gimmick. and joining forces with xbox to fight snoy cancer would also be great for 3rd party support. I see no good reason for nintendo to not allow gamepass via xcloud on their devices.
>What difference does this make when nintendo consoles don't have backwards compat? >GBC to GB >GBA to GBC >NDS to GBA >3DS to NDS > Wii to GC >WiiU to Wii
They have had backwards longer than Sony or Microsoft.
Are you moronic?
NES, SNES, N64, Switch GC, were too much of a paradigm change to be able to keep backwards without literally cramming a console inside a console.
is not a matter of lack of will but lack of way.
also maybe maybe not known vulnerabilities
I don't understand, Nintendo Accounts existed on the 3DS and WiiU
Yeah, and you can't play your 3DS or Wii U games on Switch, which is why they've made a killing selling ports.
Switch doesn't have a disc drive, or virtual console. It wasn't an account issue
Lots of games on the Switch eshop are also on the Wii U eshop, both consoles are linked to the Internet? What's stopping them from letting me redownload games I've already purchased on one eshop to the other, or at least carry my save data over? They let you transfer all of your Wii data to Wii U, so why not Wii U to Switch?
Switch accounts and Wii/Wii U accounts are different. If you have a Wii U account, it transitioned to a Switch account. Besides aren't all the eshops now closed for business? I know at least the 3DS one is.
yeah that's the point
The switch is the EverythingButCurrentShit console
Its neat having something that turns on as fast as a phone and has okami dark souls and my bingbongwahoos
Its a piece of shit, but it puts in the work
This more than likely means they'll be using the same carts for the games too (or at least compatible)
And? You can't play your PS3 games on a PS4 either, yet you still carried over your PSN account. I don't know what you are trying to get at, because those two things are different. Backwards compability and account management are not the same.
The Switch is also completely different under the hood from both of them, running their games would not have been a simple task. Don't know why PS4 didn't get even half the shit for not including PS3 BC for the exact same reason.
Oh right because people b***hing about this are disingenuous.
>people b***hing about their libraries rotting on dead systems are disingenuous
shut up fanboy
Nah, I'm right. No one b***hes about being unable to play PS3 games on a PS4 anymore. It's the exact same situation, different hardware architecture making BC impractical.
So tell me, how come it's okay when sony does it?
>So tell me, how come it's okay when sony does it?
It's not. Just like it's not okay when Nintendo does it.
So how come no one b***hes about the PS3 library being left behind then?
Because you're in a thread about Nintendo and are doing what you claimed everyone else was doing. Trying to pretend nobody ever cared about BC for any other system and it's all just unfair harping on poor innocent Nintendo as if people like you don't also defend and deflect from what little criticism there is, is why you're a fanboy.
>Trying to pretend nobody ever cared about BC
Oh no, people cared... for like a year or two, and then it became crickets. But here we are six years into the Switch's life and you gays are still b***hing about the same talking points.
I'll say it right now, it was okay when Sony did it, and it's okay when Nintendo did it. Incompatible hardware is a perfectly valid reason to omit backwards compatibility. There was no way the Switch was going to run Wii U or 3DS games, get fricking real.
Nah frick them, they could have backwards compatibility, but why would they when so many are either apathetic to it or are bootlickers like you defending them? It's why I'll not trust them again and stick with PC and emulation. I don't care what their reasoning is I expect them to inevitably kill any library I'd accumulate so why should I pay them a premium for a worse experience that they'll eventually take away?
You're moronic. They literally would not have been able to get it working well on the Switch's hardware. Maybe if they baked in some 3DS or Wii U hardware onto the board, but that would have inflated the price to stupid degrees and killed the console out of the gate. Same thing for PS4 and PS3. Maybe you're too young to remember, but the PS3 had to give up its PS2 BC just to cut down the price.
>but muh PS2 classics
Yeah and if you've ever messed with the homebrew to make custom PS2 classics you'll find compatibility is spotty as hell outside officially supported games. And it only gets worse the stronger the hardware you want to emulate. It's not magic like you think it is.
>They literally would not have been able to get it working well on the Switch's hardware
Don't care, they could at least try. They can get all those NES-N64 emulators working, why can't I download all those games I had bought from the Wii-WiiU? They had all that tied to my club nintendo account. You know the answer. Why the hell should they care about backwards compatibility when they can make you rebuy or rent all those games you've already bought? When people like you will just take them at their word and handwave it away as some insurmountable task and go along with the shafting? I'm sure you defend things like paid online as a necessity for server costs too despite them using P2P.
>They had all that tied to my club nintendo account.
Oh, it's you again. lol You want companies to act like charities and turn a rewards program into a backup service. You're completely unreasonable.
>They can get all those NES-N64 emulators working, why can't I download all those games I had bought from the Wii-WiiU?
Can't think of any reason for first party titles, but third party titles? Licensing, easily.
>Why the hell should they care about backwards compatibility when they can make you rebuy or rent all those games you've already bought?
Same reason PS5 and Series X have it, or any other console to feature it for that matter. Because it encourages the old hardware's install base to sell the old and upgrade to the new. Nintendo has historically offered BC when it was feasible. Wii could play Gamecube discs because it had nearly identical hardware, Wii U could play Wii discs because it was the same kind of hardware, just beefier. Nintendo didn't just arbitrarily decide to cut the feature because they wanted to sell you Wii U games again. They wanted the Switch to succeed at all costs and would have sweetened the deal if it were feasible.
>I'm sure you defend things like paid online as a necessity for server costs too despite them using P2P.
Paid online is cancer and I hate Microsoft for opening pandora's box at least Switch online is cheaper for the lowest tier of service. I hope the connection issues get patched up next gen.
>Oh, it's you again. lol You want companies to act like charities and turn a rewards program into a backup service. You're completely unreasonable.
I don't think I've ever mentioned that before so I doubt you're who I think I am. You call it a simple reward service when it was a Nintendo account with games tied to it that they scrapped. You bring up licensing when you clearly know Nintendo at the very least has full control over their own games. You act like a corporation simply allowing you to keep your games over letting them rot and die on old hardware in favor of renting or selling them back to you over and over again is performing a charity. I do not want to hear anything about being unreasonable from you.
>Wii U could play Wii discs because it was the same kind of hardware
It could've also played GCN games. There's a reason why they didn't allow that even back when they were consumer friendlier than they are now. I should've fully understood that reason back then, but I do now after they took everything away and again now there's not a single reason why I should ever bother paying a premium for a worse experience that I know they will inevitably take away again, especially when PC now also offers the only benefit Nintendo had left.
I want to like Nintendo. I grew up with them, they were my childhood. But they're scummy as frick and now that I'm on the opposite side criticizing them I fully understand just how cancerous fanboys and fanbases can be to their own detriment.
>I don't think I've ever mentioned that before so I doubt you're who I think I am.
Oh, I think you're exactly who I think you are, because I refuse to believe there's more than one person moronic enough to believe
>it was a Nintendo account with games tied to it
This was never the case. You fed it codes that came with games, sure, but it was for their rewards program. You filled out surveys and then they gave you points to save up, that's it. It was never intended to tie games to it and even trying would have been moronic and costly. People sold and traded those codes all the time.
>You act like a corporation simply allowing you to keep your games over letting them rot and die on old hardware in favor of renting or selling them back to you over and over again is performing a charity.
The level you're expect is absolutely charity, yes. Getting old Wii U and 3DS games to work on the Switch would have required porting and that would have been so costly that the Switch would never be profitable. Literal charity. No, emulation would NOT have done the job. Have you seen the state of 3DS emulation on the Switch? It's terrible. Wii U is a no go entirely. Wii and Gamecube barely work to acceptable levels.
>It could've also played GCN games.
Sucks that it can't, but design a drive that could read them as well as Wii U discs probably would have pumped up the price. Same with building in controller ports and memory card slots. And don't think of it just in terms of raw material costs, there's also accommodating for them in the console's design, which could have impacted shelf space. Incidentally, you know what one of the worst enemies of the Wii U was during its tumultuous life? Price. The gamepad hurt it, kept the console expensive to produce until the very end.
>But they're scummy as frick
They are objectively the least scummy of the three console manufacturers.
>This was never the case. You fed it codes that came with games, sure, but it was for their rewards program
And it was a unique code for that game, also known as a key. That key was on your account. It just being a rewards program does not somehow magically excuse not having a proper account system. They don't want a proper account system because they want to keep you renting and rebuying the same games every generation.
>No, emulation would NOT have done the job
I'm not arguing the 3DS and Wii U games should've worked right away, I'm arguing that you should've been allowed to redownload all those other games with emulators that do work along with your eshop games and with the 3ds and Wii U games tied to an account they could be added later when the console is powerful enough. PC never takes any of your games away, if there's a licensing issue, they simply remove it from the store, never from your library, and obviously it being PC it's always still available in some form or another. Or just create hardware/software with backwards compatibility in mind from the start with no need to emulate. It's one thing for that not to be the case for ancient systems, it's another in the modern era.
>objectively the least scummy of the three console manufacturers
They're every bit as scummy and are scummier in different ways. My brother has a PS5, apparently you buy a game on the PS4 and you also get it on the PS5, no need to transfer and lose access to it if for whatever reason you still want to play it on PS4. That's pretty cool. Heard similar capabilities with Xbox despite how much cancer Microsoft brought into the console space and then everyone else adopted.
But I really don't care who's scummier than who in the console space, it's all cancer and fanboys can at least stop defending getting screwed over. I know you can't do anything about the normalgay masses who couldn't give less of a shit, but you don't have to defend it.
>It just being a rewards program does not somehow magically excuse not having a proper account system.
It sure does, because that account system was never tied to the hardware and never facilitated digital distribution. Those codes were bonus codes shipped with retail discs. What you're describing is Nintendo giving away free digital copies with every retail disc, which is asinine. Or tying discs to those codes which would have killed them just like a similar concept nearly killed Xbox. God you're stupid.
>I'm arguing that you should've been allowed to redownload all those other games with emulators that do work along with your eshop games and with the 3ds and Wii U games tied to an account they could be added later when the console is powerful enough.
None of it worked, because the hardware and OS were too different. Absolutely none of it would have worked. So again, you're asking Nintendo to port software for free.
>Or just create hardware/software with backwards compatibility in mind from the start with no need to emulate.
This would have fricked them. Either would require building the old hardware into the new, which would have made it prohibitively expensive, or they would have had to base the new off the old entirely and run into the same problems as the Wii U. Wii U's hardware architecture was old as frick and difficult to work with. The Switch was focused on being friendly to work with.
>They're every bit as scummy and are scummier in different ways.
Not even close. They've been the last to adopt every piece of israeliteery introduced by their competitors and did it in a more consumer friendly way.
You're obsessed with this idea of carrying over shit from digital storefronts. I understand you have that on PC, and that's cool, but PC is an open platform and it's generally on you if you can't get your shit to run. Consider that a console manufacturer is expected to make sure your shit runs for you.
>that account system was never tied to the hardware
Why would it have to be tied to the hardware? You should be able to put your account on any system you want, just make sure it's not active on more than one system simultaneously.
>Those codes were bonus codes shipped with retail discs
That does not matter, I'm saying the infrastructure was already there and they killed it.
>because the hardware and OS were too different
They have full control over that.
>which would have made it prohibitively expensive
You keep making assumptions like this. You have no idea about any of this. Why are you defending them so hard?
>They've been the last to adopt every piece of israeliteery introduced by their competitors
Which I gave them credit for. I revoked that goodwill when they adopted all that israeliteery. Consumers abandoning them when they were more consumer friendly and rewarding them by hopping on all the cancer in droves was also pretty infuriating.
>and did it in a more consumer friendly way
Bullshit.
Just have the second screen take a smaller portion of the main screen. Or sell a separate controller with a screen on it.
>Have a second screen take a smaller portion of the main screen
Come on anon. Even you know that wouldn't work
It's not idea which is why I also suggested the controller, but that's how emulating those dual screen systems works in general. Hell, it'd have been feasible to "dock" it in a way that turns the switch into the second screen.
>idea
*ideal
NTA, but didn't Nintendo have to rework the Wii U games so they were compatible with the switch? Like a lot of those games were dependent on the Wii U game pad which had features not present on the switch. Same case for the 3DS.
Yeah, but digital purchases didn't since the "official" emulators were locked to specific consoles.
Xbox did it first with 360 and they've done BC best.
Yet, they've been last in competition since the start. I guess account carry over doesn't really matter unless it's used for marketing.
>Yet, they've been last in competition since the start.
Xbox have never won a gen, but they've handled online services better than Nintendo or Sony (Remember PSN hacks?)
The Xbox Series X can play game discs from the original Xbox, Xbox 360, and Xbox One. For movies, it can play DVDs, Blu-ray Discs, and Ultra HD Blu-ray Discs. That's pretty kino
>Remember PSN hacks
I do. You must be misremembering a technicality about it. It was never in plain text which you probably still believe and talk about.
>instantly brings something not relevant when someone says something bad about nintendo
lmao pathetic
Xbox has always been up there as one of the best gaming platforms
They do BC best now because it's the one that actually works out of the current consoles. Microwiener is also the only one out of the consoles that will actually keep your account details on hand for 10+ years and help you recover it in case you come back after an entire console gen and want to redownload all those ancient XBLA games. What a saving grace that was for my Series X.
>They do BC best now because it's the one that actually works out of the current consoles. Microwiener is also the only one out of the consoles that will actually keep your account details on hand for 10+ years and help you recover it in case you come back after an entire console gen and want to redownload all those ancient XBLA games. What a saving grace that was for my Series X.
What are Nintendo and Sony's services like?
>Sony
You have to subscribe to PSN to get cloud saves. It's a fricking travesty. Also with Xbox, anytime you buy a first party title you automatically get a PC copy (not Steam).
Sony knows what they are doing by having the PS5 have less than 1 TB of storage. Since all my games can't fit on the storage I need to constantly back up my cloud saves and deelete thedm from the hardware when I'm done with them, and that's the only reason wwhy I pay for Plus. I don't even play online with my Playstation games.
tbtbh you can't just play 3DS/WiiU stuff on the switch, is what happens when your consoles are gimmick-soldered.
The real story here is if this is true, it's really pointing to the next Nintendo system basically being Switch 2. You can't bring over all your Switch games if the destination can't replicate all the minor details of the system like the touch screen and joycons.
You missed the part where it says your purchases will be carried over, but your point does raise an issue. Nintendo KNOWS which Wii U title you bought, but they still charge you for full price with those enhanced ports instead of giving it to you for free or at least a discount. The downside to this is they're going to dip much more heavily into DLC than they currently are once when the port well dries up, mark my words.
Didn't the Nintendo DS already has Nintendo Account?
Those were Nintendo Network ID's (a name distinction they made moving forward to the switch to pretend they're separate and have an out to not moving purchased licenses)
No, that was a different account system, and to my knowledge your purchases were tied to your hardware. You had to contact Nintendo to get them to move shit over for you, unless you did their built-in transfer service while buying a new one.
welcome to 2008 Nintendo
How can other companies even compete with this level of based?
>didyouknowgaming rumors proved to be false
What did they said? I watch all their videos but i don't remember anything about Nintendo accounts
i meant to say
>didyouknowgaming rumors proved to be false 2024
Good practices are good practices, doesn't matter how long it takes to decide to start doing it.
You gays would buy it either way.
Watch 'purchases' just refer to the purchase of your subscription and nothing else carries over complete with them resetting their Virtual Console offerings so they can drip feed it all again.
Even funnier would be if the purchases carried over, but the virtual console lineup doesn't, so you buy the game once and then it just doesn't get released on VC for the next system.
its about frickin time nintendo, but I'm still worried about an eshop refresh and you have to rebuy everything again
Can't wait to have to use my phone to have voice chat in 2030!
Thanks Nintendo!
I really hope this is the case. I wonder when we'll get a project name for the next console
Not until next year probably. Can't cannibalize Zelda and OLED sales for holiday season. You might see an investor call mention a "new console" or something, but nothing official until after holiday season
It will have no project name, the console will just be announced by it's name. Furukawa recently said so
So yeah, no announcement to avoid cannibalizing sales by starting buzz/hype for the next thing. They're just waiting until the Switch is done and the new one is ready.
The new one is already ready. The GPU design was finalized some time in 2022 (based on the nvidia hack and LinkedIn profiles). They're most likely just waiting on software development.
the Switch is also still making money and Nintendo normally doesn't even prep for a new release until the current console stops making profit
Agreed i do believe it will be announced in late 2024 and out by 2025.It makes sense considering we are on the twilight years where there is a lot of nostalgic releases and good games. Also i do think we will be seeing Switch surpass the PS2 due to that huge 5 Mario grand slam announcement bump and 1-2 Switch.
The console is complete and even have some mass produced units already but they're delaying it's announcement and release to have enough units to prevent shortages like it happened with the Switch. Furukawa also said this
No way, if it was in mass production it would leak. They've just finished the GPU and are sitting on it until they're ready, probably next year.
Aww. I'm going to miss console nicknames. It's a small thing, but I always find them interesting.
I don't know why this is suddenly such a big story when they literally stated as much w/ infographs around the time they switched how Nintendo Accounts worked when Switch first released...
Shitpost in Nintendo all you want but I'm glad regardless, this bodes well for backwards compatibility
why they act like CoD on a nintendo console is something new?
they released CoD games on the fricking DS
CoD 4 and WaW on Wii was legitimately a great experience. Wiimote+nunchuck was a great FPS scheme
No nazi zombies though, I remember thinking my schoolmates were fricking with me talking about der reise
The Wii U is non canon
Treyarch managed to destroy the Nintendo fanbase with BOII with how awful the Wiimote worked with it and how insane the auto aim for controllers were.
All the CoD games for the Wii had solid multiplayer experiences. Hell, you needed a custom mic so you had very few kids with them and most of people who did were laid back adults.
What if I buy cartridge?
The console will most likely be backwards compatible
When has the last time a Nintendo non handheld has been backwards compatible?
The previous one, the Wii U
WiiU? It has damn near full native Wii support, which in and of itself had near full native Gamecube support. If I recall correctly, the lack of Gamecube ports is the biggest problem with playing Gamecube games on WiiU.
wii u came with a wii sensor bar
wii had gamecube controller ports
Switch didn't have it since they changed back to cartridges
The Wii and the Wii U are backwards compatible, the Switch wasn't because of the cartridge format, since the next console will most certainly also use cartridges, Nintendo has no excuse to not make the next console backwards compatible
GC -> Wii -> Wii U. In fact, with some cfw you can natively run GC games on Wii U. That's an amazing thing Switch can't do at all
It's not surprising because Wii u had a Wii processor which is itself a gc processor. Switch would have to emulate but isn't really strong enough without s lot of tweaking.
Switch could atleast have sold Wii VC games. We know they've written an amazing hypervisor for this considering SSHD has been improved in all ways possible
Nintendo have been pretty decent with backcomp, at least compared to Sony
>GBA could play GB games
>DS could play GBA games
>3DS could play DS games
>Wii could play GCN games
>WiiU could play Wii games
the switch doesn't have backcomp for obvious reasons but I expect their next console to be compatible with switch games
>new console is backwards compatible with digital games only physical gays get fricked
Calling it now.
Not going to happen, almost all of Nintendo's customers buy physical.
How about all my NSP? can I play them on Switch 2?
Highly doubt you'll actually be able to play any of those old purchases. Just like you often can't with Microsoft and Sony.
There is rumors that there will be graphics pack updates and BC with the next console. It does make sense considering NVIDIA is in a partnership with Nintendo for 20 years, and we are on year 6.
What if Switch 2 is AMD?
Not happening, even if it did it would be possible because it's not made with Linux(CELL) shit like PS3 was. It's very basic technology wise.
>Linux(CELL) shit like PS3 was
QRD?
AMD doesn't offer low power ARM chips like Nvidia does
I think that would be less xbox/sony's fault and more of the online for a game is no longer supported by the dev. If it's single player it should be fine
It's ok when Nintendo does it.
I doubt they transfer. Too many third parties would also miss out on revenue without people quadruple dipping.
They will probably let you transfer games for a fee. The transfer will come with a resolution bump to justify.
Like a fee per game, or a flat fee for all?
I would imagine they charge like 5 to 10 dollars per game for you to play it in 4k. That's the only way they get third parties to agree.
It will probably be case by case basis much like what is happening with PS5.
Is that standard practice? I've never had a library transfer over before. I've never played PlayStation or Xbox.
It costs 10 dollars to upgrade ps4 to ps5
Per game?
Yeah, I think this is just to get the better version though I don't fricking know I don't own that trash can
Ok thanks for answering my questions. I really don't know anything about this or how PlayStation and XBox handle things.
yes, as long as the publisher agrees to the deal
>consolegays have to pay AGAIN to play the same games they already bought
I have an Xbox Series X, the library transfer is tied to the account so there wasn't any charge for me. Hell a lot of the games are dual Series/Bone with the same price for each version, it's only like the new AAA stuff that has a completely separate Series version that costs more.
If more Xbox BC games had resolution patchs, it would be the most kino BC
This might be dependent on developer because you can have situations where Nintendo would support it but then 3rd parties do not allow you to carry it over and you have to buy it again.
So some 3rd parties might allow it, while others don't? Does that also effectively mean all current eShop games will be offered on the new system at launch?
depends on how BC Switch 2 is going to be. if it can run Switch 1 natively, then it shouldn't be an issue, but Switch 2 versions of games are probably gonna have to be made specifically to use the new hardware
Maybe not. Switch games will probably run on switch 2 via emulation so they will have to test and tweak each game to make sure they work.
I truly do not care, Nintendo consoles are always the easiest to hack and create CFW for because they are technologically illiterate and incredibly cheap. I will always emulate, or run CFW on Nintendo hardware.
>have a V1 switch but too afraid of bans
Just how easy is it to f***k yourself & end up with a brinked console
I just want a portable sega,SNES,MAME machine with Alpha II onto it maybe some NES games for good measure
I personally do not give a shit about my switch being banned from online, but in general if you just follow this guide https://rentry.org/SwitchHackingIsEasy there is absolutely nothing to worry about.
I don't think you seem to have much of a grasp on technology. Which just goes to show, with a well written guide anyone can modify their system.
Wow nintendo very cool, welcome to two thousand fricking three.
What infamously non-consumer friendly moves? pricing their games at what they are worth and trying to keep people from stealing their music?
I will buy Nintendo to support my Waifu.
this literally might be what gets me to buy a switch
I've been fricking frustrated they've refused to port the WiiU Wind Waker/Twilight Princess ports to Switch but knowing that future purchases will cross over, I might have to pick one up for Breath of the Wild
I don't understand the association with carrying your account forward meaning BC is guaranteed. My PSN account from the PS3 era is also what I used on PS4 and my trophies did carry over, but my library didn't.
Nintendo really just should keep releasing improved versions of the switch. It's the culmination of everything that worked for them in the past generations, it just needs a 3D toggle
this sounds good but I have no faith in Nintendo for anything like this
>Super customer friendly
>Only in the context of it being a change from Triple dipping on purchases
I haven't owned a Nintendo console since the fat DS. You're telling me games you bought never carried over to the next console? What the frick
yes and nintendotrannoids will defend it. can't wait for the moment this news becomes a nothingburger with the shitch 2 and another reboot of their "services and shops", eat shit tendies
>You're telling me games you bought never carried over to the next console? What the frick
Don't be moronic. The only system that didn't allow it was the wii u to switch which wasn't uncommon since the ps3 to 4 and 360 to one didn't allow it either except for certain crossplay titles.
You could transfer purchases from the dsi to 3ds and Wii to wii u. Transferring VC titles from Wii to Wii U even gave you a discount on the superior Wii U version of those games.
Christ, no wonder Ganker hates Nintendo if they believe the bullshit people make up so easily.
>NintendoAmerica
Ah yes the localisation and marketing arm of Nintendo's now managing accounts.
how is this relevant to piratechads and emulatorchads?
>How does this affect me, said the person no one cares about
>tendies actually think that nintendo will let them play games on the new console and not just make it easier for them to purchase it again
but you can't access shit on PS5 from old purchases.
Will my cartridges work on whatever their new system is? I don't buy digital because if they nuke my account for some reason (like if the servers go down in a few years) I still want to be able to play my games
Physical will almost certainly work. You will probably have to pay 10 bucks if you want to upgrade the graphics.
Nintendo will never make another console.
How it's probably gonna work
Switch games run via emulation, some games will work great others may have issues
All first party games transfer, third parties depend on the publisher
Upgrade the graphics for some games for 10 dollars
No, the console will show you the switch games and ask you if you’d like to purchase it for $69.99 to run on the new console
Anything else is cope
That doesn't sound realistic. Even for Nintendo
Nintendo will never do backwards compatibility. A huge chunk of the switch's library are ports of old games. Backwards compatibility means they can't sell you Mario 64 for the 8th time.
Only Wii u ports sell and that's because no one owned that trash can. Metroid prime remastered sold like shit. I do not believe switch ports would sell much.
>Metroid prime remastered sold like shit
proofs??
It sold 1 million in one month but for Ganker anything that doesn't sell 20 million is a flop.
Anon, they sold you
Mario 64 (original)
Mario 64 (virtual console - Wii)
Mario 64 (virtual console - Wii U)
Mario 64 (virtual console - Switch)
Mario 64 (Superstar bundle)
They'll be damned if they can't sell it to you again (at full price) with the new console.
That was the past before Nintendo embraced the business practices it's competitors use.
NSO is changing that though. Nintendo is clearly transitioning to a subscription business. Subscriptions make more money
>Mario 64 (original)
Ok
>Mario 64 (virtual console - Wii)
>Mario 64 (virtual console - Wii U)
>Mario 64 (virtual console - Switch)
Why would you buy more than one for any one of these?
>Mario 64 (Superstar bundle)
Different game
>they sold you
Speak for yourself. I bought one on virtual console and that's the one I play if I want to play it
Nintendo has done backwards compatibility plenty of times in the past. Besides, tendies will rebuy games despite being able to play the original on the same hardware. TPHD sold over 1 million copies on a system you could already play that game on
>huge chunk of the switch's library are ports of old games.
Not really. Mario Kart 8D is one but that game is entirely different than the WiiU game. Tropical freeze sold like 4 million maybe? Then like nothing else really. Switch made bank on Switch games.
>Switch made bank on Switch games.
And Breath of the Wild
I honestly completely forgot BotW was on the Wii U
not a port
It literally is, they spent so fricking long in development they ported it to the switch as a launch title.
The word you're thinking of is multiplat.
The switch version was ported by Tose, a third party. The Zelda team had zero experience developing for switch before work on Totk began. It's a port.
It's a multiplat actually. "Porting" development is not a thing. Porting happens after official release. Instead of nitpicking so you can include one more port in your already huge list of 1, maybe look for other ports mmmkay sweetie?
>I'm not being a moron because I said something "trolly" at the end of my post
Nothing I said was wrong and your list still stands at 1 WiiU port on the switch (definitive version on Switch)
>that game is entirely different than the WiiU game.
Did you forget your argument? You never played either but go ahead and tell my how they aren't different
Uh yeah fricko
Being able to hold two items doesn't magically make it a different game.
>Battle stages
Nobody cared
>Uh yeah fricko
Nope!
>twice as many tracks
>different items
>new modes
>patched boost hopping
>two items
>nerfs and buffs on many carts, characters and gliders
>fixed online
>1080p not 720p
>entirely new meta
Mario Kart 8 was one of the worst Mario Karts ever made. Many people think 8D is one of the best ever. You didn't play the game so take my word for it kiddo.
They only say it because they've heard other people say it and they're just repeating it hoping nobody does the leg work to prove them wrong. Switch mindraped many people this board. You are dealing with one of the casualties.
So where's this information coming from aside from some moron who pays for twitter?
Nintendo has an investor q and a every season. These things are now every investor asking about the next console and Nintendo saying nothing but this time he gave a tiny bit of info saying accounts will transfer.
Interesting... I am wondering if the switch games will work on the next-gen console? I mean like 2035 console will work on those oldest games? no?
Big if true, not due to innovation or anything because Nintendo would have to be moronic not to with their current market share. Now is the time to do this on their end, one of the biggest issues with getting this sort of thing off the ground is having enough users and they just have that.
Did nintendo confirm backwards compatibility somewhere or are twittertards just assuming bringing the account over means anything? I expect NSO to stay, I'll believe actual backwards compatibility when I see it.
Reselling switch games is not worth giving up the massive hardware sales from bc. If this shit is bc everyone will buy it. If it's not a lot won't. They're gonna be transitioning to getting a huge chunk of their money from NSO sales anyway. They probably get rid of the 20 dollar version on switch 2 so everyone has to spend 50.
Wii U shows that people unironically do not give a shit about BC. morons will buy the same shit over and over again like the good goys they are.
People did not rebuy Wii u games they bought them for the first time. Wii u sold to no one.
This. The Switch was a replacement, not a successor.
>Reselling switch games is not worth giving up the massive hardware sales from bc
That depends entirely on how arrogant Nintendo is right now. If they think they can get away with no BC, they will absolutely go that route so they can resell games over and over again. Considering how hard they got punished with the Wii U and how rewarded they've been for all the cancer with the Switch, I'd say it's a very good chance they won't go for BC. Nobody seemed to give a damn about it before when Nintendo was offering it and things like free online, while they're making shitloads of money now reselling the same games over again, renting them out, and making people pay to use their own internet for p2p.
It's much more profitable to just dump the switch library on NSO in 8 years than to sell them individually.
They'd only do that if they could charge $120 a year for it. What they'll want to do is touch them up slightly and sell them again individually.
Wait I don't get it. If I buy physical Switch games, then can I play them on the successor console? Or does it only apply to digital games?
The next system will probably also play switch cartridges
>Nintendo has been infamous fo rleaving everything behind when they release their next-gen console
I played my Gamecube games on my Wii just fine and even used the same controller. I also played them just fine on my Wii-U.
Nintendo likes to take their time with things. They're unironically like Patrick's pet rock in that one episode of Spongebob.
>consumer friendly
it's actually the opposite
you poor fricking paupers dont even know that you're being ripped off
Reselling games is profitable but do you know whatnis more profitable? Reselling games via a subscription. Adding GC to NSO will give them vastly more money than gc ports ever could.
Reading between the lines means they're a big chance physical cartridges will be different, or it'll be digital only. If I can't play my physical games on the next Switch, I'm not buying one.
Cartridges will definitely be different. That doesn't mean switch ones can't be used. GBA ran gameboy carts. DS ran GBA carts. It's easy to design a slot that fits both or even just add 2 slots.
One can hope, it could be like a DS/3DS situation. If it isn't, I'm done with consoles entirely and just gonna enjoy my Switch. Backlog is huge, enough games to last my life, many like JRPGs with huge replay value.
There's no way this won't be backwards compatible. I don't know about your library transferring over though
People are forgetting a big reason why Nintendo never implemented a cross gen account system is because every new console generation had a different exclusive controller gimmick associated with it that only games from that console could use.
If true this basically confirms the next console is just the Switch 2 and soft confirms that Nintendo is most likely done with console gimmicks and the Switch format will be permanent. They've already combined their handheld and home console lines into one, this forces every future nintendo console to basically needs a portable dynamic to it. Makes sense since smart phone games took a big chunk out of their casual market.
Next console after Switch 2 will 100% be Switch 3 and it might get rid of physical cartridges entirely. They can't go back to have a separate handheld and home console again. Combing both forces them to use a small cartridge format instead of discs. And we're already getting to the point where limited storage of physical carts won't be worth it for them to sell over just offering digital only games.
What a shit excuse when the current console is selling subscription emulators
It's about fricking time. Alas, it's too late, since after refusing to do it from Wii U and 3DS to Switch I lost any faith in the longterm viability of my digital purchases with them and have largely avoided them since.
This says literally nothing about if the games won't have to be rebought.
I told you the other thread I would get to keep all the digital games I bought
>that makes infamously anti consumer moves
No they dont
I love how a narrative is just built and now its supposed to be accepted as truth
Yes they do, all the goddamn time. The only asspull in that tweet is the assumption you'll get to redownload your games on the new system because you can keep your account.
>hey dude i hope you're enjoying your mario 3 rom
>yeah.. if you want it on the wii u OS you're gonna have to pay an upgrade fee
>what's that? you want to play the mario 3 rom you bought on Wii VC and upgraded to Wii U VC on your 3DS? nah, we don't do that. buy it again bucko
Anon, that is the biggest fricking fib on this forum. Even during the Wii U in desperation, like giving a game away with Mario Kart 8, they've always shat on their dedicated and even normalgay customers. It's been a thing since the start, but people are just sad about those times since it wasn't as obvious because prease understandu and all that.
Nintendo have never changed, and all but a select couple times they've been given actual backlash they haven't done shit; they will always think the customer is wrong, and their stubbornness has somehow lead them to riches.
It's a narrative because Nintendo wrote it, not us.
What is the direct quote or source by Nintendo confirming that "digital purchases" will transfer over?
FRICK THE SWITCH!
Like I said, calm down, you're going to "win" Thursday
Implications mean nothing, we need actual confirmation.
What's Thursday?
They heavily implied that a while ago.
Nintendo would be dumb as frick to not let their future console be backward compatible with past switch purchases. Wouldn’t want another Wii > Wii U fall from grace
>wii u has backwards compatibility and a bunch of other pro consumer and cool soulful features
>fails horribly
>switch has no backwards compatibility and no pro consumer or soulful features
>massive success
Hmm
Not a good comparison. The Wii U was a tablet add on accessory for the Wii.
And that was half the reason people didn't buy one.
They thought it was just an add-on, not a new console.
>implement carry over of your digital purchases for the next generation
>VC has been replaced with NSO so you'll still have to rebuy whatever VC equivalent of Super Metroid is on the next system for 7 bucks
>make the switch 2 not backwards compatible and just make "hd" ports of everything again
Enjoy your 70 dollar Mario Kart 8 Deluxe+
THIS is why I buy Nintendo. They are unprecedentedly innovative.
Woah thanks nintendo, took you 15 years to do something almost similar to what PS and xbox can do, bravo. Call me when Nintendo can do a decent online service
Nintendo getting praise for doing the bare minimum sounds about right for this industry.
They're getting praised for bare minimum that's not even confirmed. People are just assuming all their digital games will carry over too.
Nice to hear, but the cynic in me says that the only reason they're doing this is because their financial office realized that can't make dosh off of porting Switch games to their next console. You can get away with that when the game debuted on the mistake that was the Wii U, not so much when your previous outing is knocking on the door of PS2 level sales.
The exception is Mario Kart 8 because Nintendo apparently imbued that game with some black voodoo shit that makes it sell non-stop for time eternal. Wouldn't be surprised to see a MK8D+ on the new console.
I actually didn't know they hadn't been doing this, because who the hell wouldn't by now
>because who the hell wouldn't by now
Any corporation that knows their fanbase will not care and or defend it while they make bank reselling the same games over and over again.
that was always an issue with nintendo, they were always behind in something. only reason why people still buy their consoles and games are games like mario cart, smash bro. and legend of zelda, if nintendo didn't have these games they would have probably face bankruptcy for their consumer unfriendliness a long time ago.
Only reason people buy them is portability and the occasional lucking out with a gimmick and Nintendo finally realized that. Mario kart, smash bros, loz, etc. did not save the N64, GCN, or Wii U.
NintenDoes what SoyN doesnt
>“With regard to resale measures when launching new hardware, we recognise that the most important thing is to first produce and ship in numbers that can meet customer demand. We will then consider whether there are any other possible measures that can be taken.”
Given that Nintendo needs as many games possible sold to survive (unlike PS munching 3rd party)
its in their interest that people can get their console without going 100$ Mark Up on the scalper market.
Also Other ways to ensure Scalpers get fricked.
>buying from Nintendo gets priority, 1 console per account
>Accounts get priority based on seniority and usage
>Accounts created after Switch 2 reveal dont apply
>HARD LOCK retailers to 1 console per costumer
>NO ONLINE sales if stock is below certain threshold
>Accounts get priority based on seniority and usage
>MFW I made my NNID when the WiiU launched.
Same here
>Given that Nintendo needs as many games possible sold to survive (unlike PS munching 3rd party)
Part of why the PS5 is a dumpster fire is scalpers kept buying up all the stock so no one bought games, meaning the PS5 has no games.
There are now more games in the Pikmin series than exclusives for the PS5, it's that bad.
and this is why Nintendo is contemplating how ot avoid scalpers
Given Switch Success, no amount of Stock will keep scalpers at bay during the 6-12 months unless they actively seek how to throttle them
>unless they actively seek how to throttle them
Time to call the nintendo ninjas.
That's no way there's more Pikmin games then PS5 exclusives. Damn, I've been shitting on the PS5 but I didn't know it was actually that bad
*Than
PS5 reduces its own exclusives by putting them on PC.
I know, but like damn. I didn't realise it was that bad
No one think it's some killer, revolutionary feature. Not even Nintendo. That's why they're plainly talking about it in shareholder Q&A.
Dunno why you have to sperg out about it
Nintendo knows it'd be good marketing if they were allowing everyone to transfer all their games. The fact they're so plainly talking about keeping the account during a shareholder meeting instead of making a bigger deal about it just implies to me you'll keep your account/NSO and game transfers and backwards compatibility shouldn't be assumed until explicitly confirmed.
>"we wont be assraping you up the ass next console generation"
bless you Nintendo!
>tendies saw Open World, physics, and account migration for the first time in the last recent years
Welcome to the 21st century, tendie child groomers lol
>A company known for making hecking consumer unfriendly moves!
Shit like shutting down pirates and IP flips isn't "consumer unfriendly", Sony would be just as quick to jump on that if anyone bothered doing rip offs of their IPs, or if they were suffering the same "emulation" piracy issues.
>Nintendo has been infamous for leaving everything behind
>only did so once because of the format change from wii u to switch
>infamous
>Something that should have been implemented 10 years ago
It's crazy nintendo fans just accepted the fact that all their Wii purchases never carried over to the WiiU and again onto the switch
Its also crazy that writing the word n1n10drone without the numbers constitutes the entire post as spam.
benefits of being so unique in the industry. people are force to put up with some of your shit.
>It's crazy nintendo fans just accepted the fact that all their Wii purchases never carried over to the WiiU
You could transfer all digital purchases.
>Its also crazy that writing the word n1n10drone without the numbers constitutes the entire post as spam.
A lot of things are on the filter, drone was added shortly after Sony-gger was because sonygays constantly bragged about how mods protected them.
>again
>it's the first time
we knew that for a long time now
Okay, I can move my bring my digital games to the next Nintendo console, But is the next Nintendo console backwards compatible with the Switch's cartridges? I buy Physical and i don't want to get fricked over.
It literally is backwards compatible if it runs the software. Worst case scenario would be needing an adapter or some shit
This is news?
Not really. It's just anti-tendies screaming about how it's the end of the switch again.
Stuff I bought on PS3 isn't compatible with PS4.
the PS4 doesn’t have the power of the cell
this is a sure path to victory. but I still expect switch 2 to have some gimmick. and joining forces with xbox to fight snoy cancer would also be great for 3rd party support. I see no good reason for nintendo to not allow gamepass via xcloud on their devices.
What difference does this make when nintendo consoles don't have backwards compat?
>What difference does this make when nintendo consoles don't have backwards compat?
>GBC to GB
>GBA to GBC
>NDS to GBA
>3DS to NDS
> Wii to GC
>WiiU to Wii
They have had backwards longer than Sony or Microsoft.
Are you moronic?
You forgot
>Switch to....nothing
NES, SNES, N64, Switch GC, were too much of a paradigm change to be able to keep backwards without literally cramming a console inside a console.
is not a matter of lack of will but lack of way.
also maybe maybe not known vulnerabilities
What does the reddit frog have to do with that?
NINTENNIYS HOW ARE WE GOING TO CONSUME WHEN NEXT GEN COMES AROUND?
AWAAWAWAWAAWAWAWAWA
Get ready for $60/yr online for Switch 2
Switch 3 will be the $150/yr gamepass clone