I can run it on my PC it's easy to install just not on the Steam store. Also I can use Steam ROM Manager program if i really wanted to run games through emulation on Steam anyways.
>FYI, emulators are legal
They're not legal when you don't have a legit copy of the game you're emulating, why you morons always use that argument
I'm emulating psp right now and it's basically pirating because I don't even have the games I'm emulating to begin with
They use that argument because that's how it legally works, the program itself is completely legal to own and distribute because the logic goes that you are entitled to a backup digital copy of your video game and a program that runs that backup copy is not a violation of IP laws. Obviously you're pirating with it, but that's the worst-kept secret of all time that emulators are used for piracy.
Emulators are legal.
Downloading ROMS off the internet and/or distributing them is illegal.
Ripping copies of games you legally own and making backups of them, and even playing them in emulators is completely legal.
nta but the part commonly omitted is that while backup copies are legal, the process to rip/dump them is usually not and requires circumventing security to reach that point.
I said USUALLY not, as opposed your blanket statement. But go argue in the court of law.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>I said USUALLY not
and i corrected your false statement
it always is
11 months ago
Anonymous
It always is... not. There's always a million asterisks attached then it happens.
11 months ago
Anonymous
that's what the fricking exception is for dumbass
it ALWAYS is legal to make a personal backup of the physical media you own and circumvent copy protection to do so
copy protection is only a physical deterrent for law abiding citizen's and a base for a legal claim against ACTUAL piracy, ie people breaking copy protection to actually commit piracy and spread copies
Im almost positive there was a landmark courtcase that set the precedent that doing that WAS legal. How can you say >Making backups is legal >Actually performing the action of making backups is actually illegal though
at the same time
Its like saying working on your car is legal but if you pop the hood cops can arrest you
11 months ago
Anonymous
I didn't say the action, I said getting to that point.
Pardon my School of Wikipedia, but: >Thus, if there is some "technological measure that effectively controls access to a work", it is illegal to circumvent that measure. However, Section 1201 creates several exceptions to this rule, and the Library of Congress is empowered to create additional exceptions.
Now before you say >LOOK, EXEMPTIONS!
Exactly. Exemptions. It has to be challenged every time a new exemption is needed.
11 months ago
Anonymous
making lawful personal backups is not a new exemption, it's been there
how long are you going to keep this up
11 months ago
Anonymous
How long are you going to ignore what I originally said? I never said personal backups were illegal. I said the steps to make them USUALLY (NOT always) are.
11 months ago
Anonymous
never are
you're just incorrect on that
11 months ago
Anonymous
We're free to disagree.
11 months ago
Anonymous
no you're free to be wrong
a disagreement implies some opinion is involved
law isnt an opinion
11 months ago
Anonymous
And your interpretation of the law is an opinion. Bye.
Emulators are legal.
Downloading ROMS off the internet and/or distributing them is illegal.
Ripping copies of games you legally own and making backups of them, and even playing them in emulators is completely legal.
>They're not legal
No, they're still legal, but the pirated game (or BIOS as the case may be) in question is not legal. That's like saying owning a hammer is illegal because you could smash someone's head with it. There is nothing illegal about the tool, there are only illegal applications of the tool.
The emulation is legal, using the emulator to play rooms is not. Emulation is legal by basis of
A. Free use
B. Reverse enginering
C. Saving the "code" of consoles
Black person google "is emulation legal" and you will find 99% of the time something along the lines of "emulating is legal, dowloading ROMS and using the emulator to run them is not"
11 months ago
Anonymous
downloading roms illegally, is illegal
playing your roms on an emulator is not illegal
11 months ago
Anonymous
You know what i am refering to
11 months ago
Anonymous
no i dont because you're speaking fricking nonsense
They use that argument because that's how it legally works, the program itself is completely legal to own and distribute because the logic goes that you are entitled to a backup digital copy of your video game and a program that runs that backup copy is not a violation of IP laws. Obviously you're pirating with it, but that's the worst-kept secret of all time that emulators are used for piracy.
I pirated my games for my Wii and 3DS all the time, so it's not really any different whether I use an emulator or a real system; shit's free.
"getting their way"? Who cares? Why would you care about people playing old games on PC? Nintendo is not even losing money and even if they did, again, who cares? They are a multi billion dollar company. They don't give a frick about you, and you shouldn't give a frick either.
>just beat Breath of the Wild 2 >now playing through Twilight Princess
The only seething is coming from bootlickers that screaming for Nintendo jannies to take down completely legal software.
Maybe you shouldnt try to put emulators on Steam. What a stupid fricking move. You're basically daring the companies to put even more effort into stopping piracy. Is it really that hard for you to visit a website and download a file if its not on steam?
Oh yeah? Well I bet GabeN will step in and tell Nintendo to frick off. They already showed emulators in their Deck videos.
valve won't do shit because there's nothing for them to gain there
the emulator is free for on steam so valve is getting nothing from that and it's not like you can purchase ROMs
>valve is getting nothing
they're also doing shit like Proton despite the Linux userbase of Steam being infinitely smaller than the Windows one.
Valve does a lot while getting nothing, probably cause they can afford it, private company yo
proton is just a wine fork it costs them virtually nothing even if they had several full time devs on it and only works because of dxvk and vkd3d which is not by valve but some dudes
Valve has been paying "those dudes" and CodeWeavers, the Wine maintaners, for ages for their work on Proton and DXVK. They've also been putting a lot of staff on it and merging their code back upstream to Wine, a lot of the improvements in Wine and new features like HDR support came from Valve's work on Proton.
This. You can also get cool features like native SteamInput support, Remote Play Together works well too, and generally just a more streamlined experience (at least that's the goal ultimately)
hot take but if this is the goal - to use an emulator to hijack the same "experience" from a Nintendo service - then I think Nintendo is fully justified to do what they're doing.
Maybe you shouldnt try to put emulators on Steam. What a stupid fricking move. You're basically daring the companies to put even more effort into stopping piracy. Is it really that hard for you to visit a website and download a file if its not on steam?
>Shut the frick up.
Pirates will never, NEVER do this. They will pay for every game they ever pirated before they shut up about pirating. It is quite literally the one and only thing they are incapable of.
And you're a fricking moron that's asking for the corpo to dick you in the ass for not figuring out how to go to a different website to download the emulator you blind troony.
If you need Steam to install software, you're a fricking idiot who should sell their "gayming PC" and buy a Speak & Spell, because that's more your level, at this point.
Why are they getting too big for their britches by putting it on Steam? They have a perfectly fine website already. If this is the catalyst to a DMCA on the actual dolphin site too then these are actually the most fricking moronic devs in existence.
>B-B-BUT EMULATION IS LEGAL THO!!!!!
I told you morons multiple times when the dolphin steam threads first started showing up that Nintendo was going to have a shitfit about it, but you didnt listen.
Legality doesnt matter when you have millions of dollars and dozens of lawyers to stall for as long as you want.
It's not like Valve is hurting for money either. But mostly I think Nintendo is hoping a small push will cause them to shut it down on account of not giving a shit and not wanting the hassle.
You overestimate Valve and underestimate Nintendo. Nintendo is definitely by far a bigger company. That being said, that anon is moronic, Valve isn't so small that it can get bullied by court fees but Valve also has no reason to go to bat for emulators.
That would open up a whole other can of worms not related to emulation at all. Using other companies intellectual property to sell your own stuff without it being a parody or without paying for licensing would give Nintendo or any company a slam dunk of a lawsuit against Valve and the emulator developers. Emulation is perfectly legal, but promoting products and services using someone else's IP without thier consent outside of parody isn't.
Generally speaking, Valve doesn't have anything to gain by having or letting emulators on steam. They can't/ won't make money off it and can't distribute rom files. Some people may argue its for people who have Steam Decks but wrong go out of thier way and install Dolphin or any other emulator which works just fine on it unless it's on the steam store. The small quality of life assistance for the very few tech-illiterate Steam Deck owners isn't worth damaging their relationship with another major industry player as well as thier overall reputation. Valve put out the Portal games on Switch and could easily make some extra quick cash with other ports of games life Half Life 2 if they wanted to. Letting Dolphin on would easily lead to Playstation emulator on Steam which would upset Sony who puts thier PC ports on Steam, they could easily get mad enough to tell Valve to frick off and put thier stuff on EGS as exclusives, and I'm sure Little Timmy would love to get something like Spiderman 2, Horizon Forbidden troony or God if War Ragnarok as an EGS exclusive on pc for a discount due to Sony having beef with Valve.
>Generally speaking, Valve doesn't have anything to gain by having or letting emulators on steam
I disagree, it massively simplifies Emulator installation for moronic people. Which means the barrier of entry for emulation gets lower.
Obviously this is "threatening" for old companies who want to gatekeep decade+ old single player games that only they can normally rerelease, because once you know how to install the emulator finding guides that tell you where to get games is the next step and is much easier.
or tl;dr Nintendo are just being greedy morons again and are mad that Valve can circumvent their greed to make their platform more attractive through completely legal means, so they're doing corporate bullying to try and get their way
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Valve doesn't have anything to gain >I disagree >[posts irrelevant points and nothing about Valve gaining anything]
uh-huh
11 months ago
Anonymous
But Valve doesnt gain anything from it directly. They can't monetize the emulator and any time spent in the emulator playing games is time they aren't spending playing and buying Steam games.
Yeah, then losing Sony and Xbox as their customers? Fricking moron
>it massively simplifies Emulator installation for moronic people. Which means the barrier of entry for emulation gets lower
You forgot to write the part where explain why Valve would give a shit about that. They don't make any money if you download Dolphin from Steam. They don't make any money from you downloading games to run on it either. Valve have literally zero stake in this, unless you're genuinely delusional enough to believe that Steam needs the publicity or something.
this sure pissed off the tendies
11 months ago
Anonymous
Why don't you go host a rom download site from your own pocket? You believe you get money for simply making other people download roms. Put your personal info on the site too. Do it and see how much money you get. I encourage you.
11 months ago
Anonymous
But Valve doesnt gain anything from it directly. They can't monetize the emulator and any time spent in the emulator playing games is time they aren't spending playing and buying Steam games.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, then losing Sony and Xbox as their customers? Fricking moron
11 months ago
Anonymous
>it massively simplifies Emulator installation for moronic people. Which means the barrier of entry for emulation gets lower
You forgot to write the part where explain why Valve would give a shit about that. They don't make any money if you download Dolphin from Steam. They don't make any money from you downloading games to run on it either. Valve have literally zero stake in this, unless you're genuinely delusional enough to believe that Steam needs the publicity or something.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>No way to monetize it >Costs them a tiny bit of money to have it on the store and service downloads >Damages thier relationship with another company they've worked with in the past >Sends a bad message to Sony and to a much lesser extent Microsoft, potentially causing them to put thier PC ports elsewhere even for a limited time. >All to help people too moronic to download emulators but not moronic enough to know what they are and how to look stuff up on Steam.
They really don't have anything to gain, but they do have money to lose. Hell, the only person who gains from it is Tim Sweney.
11 months ago
Anonymous
If they want to compete Nintendo, then sure why not do that tho.
Deck has been proven once and once again that it is more superior to Switch. I bet even Switch 2 will be even less better than Deck.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Which means the barrier of entry for emulation gets lower.
this is not a good thing, at all.
11 months ago
Anonymous
trying to gatekeep emulation makes you one of the highest tiers of wienersucker in the solar system
11 months ago
Anonymous
moronic normalgays do not deserve anything good.
for big corporations hoarding their old games like dragons, yes
the old games are already up on the internet. it is literally not my fault that computer illiterate normalgays cannot seek it out for themselves.
11 months ago
Anonymous
being a frickin' based-ment dweller actually does not make you smarter
11 months ago
Anonymous
feel free to have any compelling arguments at any time anon, your ad-hominem is laughable
11 months ago
Anonymous
"ad hominem" from somebody that complains about normalgays is hysterical
11 months ago
Anonymous
you're still not disputing any of my claims, homie. normalgays do not deserve to be pandered to by the emulation scene at all. either they get smart enough to seek out the stuff on their own or they remain chained to shitass companies like nintendo hoping and praying they'll be merciful enough to throw a chewed up bone with the marrow sucked out to them.
11 months ago
Anonymous
what claims, you're a mouthbreather that can't stand being insulted while mouthing off about normies, you don't deserve an argument or a milk-crate to stand on while delivering them
11 months ago
Anonymous
>what claims
the one that says normalgays do not deserve to be pandered to. >you don't deserve an argument or a milk-crate to stand on while delivering them
i emulated a milk crate to stand on, so eat shit.
11 months ago
Anonymous
feel free to have any compelling arguments at any time anon, your ad-hominem is laughable
I fricking hate this psuedo-intellectual angle from Gankerirgins that want to come across as smart for being disdainful of the world outside the shed they live in on their mother's property
11 months ago
Anonymous
>being this mad that you can't refute what i have to say
no tears, only dreams now.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>wtf stop being contrarian against the neurotypical morons that infest the planet!
11 months ago
Anonymous
No you dumb homosexual. As long as it “stays underground” Nintendo will continue to tread on property rights and other protection that you and your “normies” have under the law. It is better to have one israelite shove the other israelites big nose in it for trying to frick with what has been found legal repeatedly for close to 60 years now. Because no one else is big enough to fight this otherwise.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Because no one else is big enough to fight this otherwise.
why should they? everyone who emulates is already doing so regardless of what a bunch of shit ass japs have to say about it regardless. some moron thought it was a good idea to bring it to steam and now you think valve is just going to back them up?
11 months ago
Anonymous
Because if you don’t fight it those slanted eyed asiatics will take your rights from you.
11 months ago
Anonymous
again, why should valve care? it's already an open secret that they're indifferent to emulation
11 months ago
Anonymous
They wouldn’t until this DMCA. Japs are bad about picking fights they can’t win and insuring at least two nukes.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>They wouldn’t until this DMCA.
because?
11 months ago
Anonymous
You’re right anon, multi-billion dollar companies don’t care about frivolous law suits and attacks on their market. I’d ask if you are fricking dense but I already know your brain is a very small, marble pebble.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>attack on their market >because of some moron that thought he could put an emulator on steam
anon please, my sides are in shambles at your stupidity.
You can't ruin emulation by lowering its barrier to entry. Gatekeeping needs to be done on a franchise level.
>You can't ruin emulation by lowering its barrier to entry.
wanna bet?
11 months ago
Anonymous
>wanna bet?
List some ways.
11 months ago
Anonymous
You are the dumbest Black person to ever try and drink chicken grease straight out the cast iron.
11 months ago
Anonymous
oh please, do tell me how i'm wrong. do not skip out on any details. i will read and consider every word you put into your reply.
11 months ago
Anonymous
You can’t fathom what I’m spitting. Just go play with your turds like you normally do on Friday night. Hope you got the grease to bean ratio right this time.
11 months ago
Anonymous
i graciously accept your concession, maybe next time you'll have an actual argument.
11 months ago
Anonymous
if emulation didn't have some amount of gatekeeping there would be a much larger effort from game companies to end it
11 months ago
Anonymous
no it just makes you smart and not some moron underage/third worlder.
11 months ago
Anonymous
for big corporations hoarding their old games like dragons, yes
11 months ago
Anonymous
You can't ruin emulation by lowering its barrier to entry. Gatekeeping needs to be done on a franchise level.
>Literally so dogshit you need to steal from Nintendo just to make your shit look better off
Just make Steamshit even more pathetic looking why don't ya
he does not, valve has so much frick-you money from essentially being the entire PC games publishing industry that they can do whatever they feel like until the end of time
Heres one from just the beginning of this month
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2023/05/nintendo-files-dmca-takedowns-on-switch-emulation-tools-just-before-tears-debut/
Considering DMCA was more or less thrown together by george dubya in a drunken stupor after listening to a bunch of slack jawed neadrethals in media more or less declaring >Owning like, music and movies and software, that can just not count right xD
You don't need to be a legal expert to actually read through it.
>someone sending a misinformed DMCA is illegal
And the solution to that is spending 15 years in court while Nintendo drains your money. Doesn't matter if you win when the judgement would, at best, get you back 1% of what you spent.
Valve controls a significant part of the pc gaming market. They aren’t a small company. They have their own army of lawyers, but it wouldn’t make much sense for them to fight against Nintendo unless it meant massive profits.
>We know Nintendo are in panic with the success of Deck
I guess I'm the only non-delusional owner of a Deck. Deck owners will really say moronic shit like this.
No, it just means you are moronic and get trolled way too easily to the point of responding to those posts. People just like to troll people who like Nintendo.
Why would they fight a very costly and potentially lengthy legal battle to promote a product that they have already cornered the market with. Doesn’t make sense.
>We know Nintendo are in panic with the success of Deck.
Define success. Steam Deck has sold just over 3 million units which isn't a ton, but since it's a niche piece of hardware and not a true platform it's doing OK as long as they don't sell the hardware at a loss. Nintendo is currently selling around 10 Switch systems for every Steam Deck sold, and that's with the Switch being really old.
If they want to compete Nintendo, then sure why not do that tho.
Deck has been proven once and once again that it is more superior to Switch. I bet even Switch 2 will be even less better than Deck.
Deck and Switch are two totally different pieces of hardware in different markets.
Steam Deck competes more with "gaming" laptops and other portable PCs more than out does the Switch. It'll never be able to be a huge thing in the industry unless Valve is able to produce, market and sell enough of them to compete with a more traditional console, which does not seem to be what Valve wants or is capable of doing. The Deck generally appeals to enthusiasts who want to play thier Steam games on the go as opposed to thier PC. A Switch 2 and Steam Deck wouldn't really effect each other, and if they did it would only be in positive ways.
>Nintendo would be pressured to put out stronger hardware >Indie and third-party developers would be pressured into having thier games be able to run on Switch 2 since it'll be more capable which means better optimization for low spec hardware which means better overall optimization and more compatible games for Steam Deck >Valve, if they wanted to compete directly, would be pressured into putting out an improved or cheaper Deck, this fueling more games to be compatible with it due to it having a larger user base.
Wannabe FOSS-lords just do not understand the convenience aspect of being on Steam, their whole argument is that Steam is inherently the devil and they won't use it under any circumstances. Like good for them but unless you pirate everything you're going to be using Steam for some stuff eventually.
Generally speaking, there isn't, you'll get an on-par experience at best, and likely a worse one over time depending on how updates are handled. Dolphin is so stable and solved now that it wouldn't be THAT worse in most cases. The only benefit is that it'll be "easier and more accessible" to people who have enough tech-literacy to play games on PC via Steam but not enough to download and run emulators that have been around for 15 or so years.
"Owning the 'tendies" by helping morons is really the only real reason.
It's more about them shitting their pants over an emulator appearing front and center on a mainstream platform, where little Johnny Surfacedweller can more easily learn that such things exist, and have the installation spoonfed to him.
>Piracy is a crime
Emulation isn't Piracy, and the term "piracy" doesn't even reflect what actually happens when someone downloads a rom off the internet. It's shit that some manipulative, limp-wristed twats came up with a long time ago to give it some sting to people that don't know any better.
Piracy would be if you took something by force. It would only be stealing if the person no longer had the thing themselves. But in fact, roms come from a person that bought the product themselves, then shared it on the internet. If you had a tape recorder, and you recorded a song that was being played in the background, it's the same thing, (Which most morons will say, "That's wrong too!") But the only people that get hurt by piracy are the people that create, market, and sell the games themselves. People who we have said time and time again don't know how to do their jobs properly. When a game is actually good and worthwhile, I'll purchase it.
Companies themselves use underhanded tactics to wring every dollar they can out of people and willingly manipulate them into purchasing subpar products, and yet nobody is seriously taking legal action against the entire game industry. They literally have teams of scientists and researchers and sociologists and Machiavellian advertising people all monitoring your every move to see if they can trick you or deceive you into spending as much money as possible on their products... You can choose not to purchase them, for sure. But what if you could choose to enjoy them without falling for their shit?
if you expected emulators to stay up on steam, you are moronic anyway. why are you even using such a cucked platform where you don't even own your games, if you're such a le free thinking pirate anyway?
Who cares?
A better update for Dolphin any emulator would be a verification check to make sure you own a legal copy first to prevent people from breaking the law
No, they get hit with an abusive SLAPP suit where they are 100% on the losing side, the only reason they "win" is because they do exactly what SLAPPs are meant to do and drain their opponents money.
Sony v Bleem! established that selling emulation tools is legal, and even using screenshots of emulated games was legal as well (As Sony tried specifically to use screenshots on the case of the disc for a double whammy argument)
https://steamdb.info/app/1941680/history/
doesn't look like it.
>Dolphin Emulator is free and open source software, licensed under the GNU General Public License version 2 or newer. Newo Zero and Newo Escape are developed by Owen, with contributions from KenneyNL, Mr. Reaper, jtsknight92, and Julian Mathonet. Used with permission. This software is built to run legally acquired games. Dolphin Emulator does not come with games. We do not condone piracy in any shape or form.
>but Nintendo doesn't have a leg to stand thanks to the bleem case.
Do you people not realize how loudly money talks, no matter what happens in a court of law? Nintendo can keep taking shit to court over and over and over and over and over until the defense has no money or patience to fight anymore.
How would money talk in this instance? In fact, money speaks a little to loudly in this situation. A judge could see how fricking greedy Nintendo is and say "Yeah, no. Frick that. Valve is within their right to release it." In fact, that's happened in the past multiple times to them.
Now, I want it to happen.
Because Valve has been backed down as well before. They mistakenly put Yuzu in their Deck ads, and in the end, they replaced it.
I was just joking. What I've actually been enjoying on my Steam Deck lately is a lot of retro RPGs. I've went back and played the entire Dragon Quest series, Phantasy Star, and the Final Fantasy series. I'm just going back to anything that seems interesting, starting with the late 80s and moving forward.
They were really good, but the later ones like Phantasy Star Online and the PSP games were significantly more fun. The early games required a thorough guide to even understand where I was supposed to go or what I was supposed to do at some points.
this was going to be the obvious response when they announced it and said it was "coming soon"
why not just release it instantly? what is the point of waiting for nintendo to realize and threaten valve?
Has nobody seen the video with the guy saying to shut the frick up if your shit isn't being released immediately?
a fact of life people need to understand is that 95% of emulator developers, modders, romhackers, and fangame developers are doing it TO GET KNOWN
they want to bring attention to themselves
this is why they are so public instead of working on their fangame or whatever in silence and then dropping it
they use an existing popular franchise with rabid fans (example: sonic), make the minimum effort "game" (single level shitty tech demo for "how sonic shud b in 3d") and then do jackshit and maybe hope they get dmca'd so they can look like the victim and gain even more internet popularity for their real project or to get hired by a company
they know full well that their own original and completely legal stuff would never get them nowhere near the same level of recognition
simply put, they don't do it "for the love" or whatever, they are really leeching off the popularity of a big franchise and using it as free advertising to themselves
>How is this expected to hold up in court?
It's called the turtle defense. Nintendo is going to hide behind court delays and fees in the hopes that the defendants will eventually buckle under paying so many court fees and be forced to abandon the case.
It 100% is not going to hold up. Nintendo's legal department sends a cease and desist every time the wind blows. Have you noticed that they've never acted upon any of the CnDs?
Emulation is not only legal, it's morally sound. Nintendo doesn't realize that when they take these actions THEY end up looking like the bad guy.
Nop. Sony tried that and got blasted the frick really fricking hard. Emulation is legal because it works to preserve the archethecture of the machine, with Reverse architecture
And in the same lawsuit it was determinated to be legal. What is your point anyways?
11 months ago
Anonymous
The lawsuit had nothing to do with emulation.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Mega moron > Sony sued Connectix for copyright and patent infringement. Sony argued that because its emulator allowed PlayStation games to be played on PCs, it was harmful to game publishers, developers, creators and ultimately consumers.
Sony was suing a company that dedicated on making PS1 emulator on PC. It was later declared to be free use. It ended with sony buying conectix
I wonder why would anyone want to have a fricking emulator on steam of all places, but I can't expect better from morons that need steam in the first place.
does nintendo pay you, mister shill?
you seem awfully invested in defending nintendo's illegal actions and spreading misinformation about emulators
just kidding, we all know you're a fat Black person moron that does it for free
They didn't have legal grounds to DMCA hundreds of nonprofit fangames either, but they still did it.
Or the reverse engineered PC decomps
Or YouTube videos that even breathed the phrase Nintendo emulation
They threatened all those people, but they never actually did anything in 99% of those cases. >Threatened Earthbound Fangame project, they just continued with a different name >Threatened Pokemon Uranium, They took their website down, but then reuploaded two weeks later >CnD to Pokemon Essentials, they immediately went back up and then spawned multiple Pokemon game editors that were even better >They realized how the report button worked on Youtube and started reporting anyone playing their games, Youtube gradually lets all those videos back online after they realize how moronic that is.
Nintendo is just out of touch and moronic. They know that as soon as it gets taken to any sort of legal debate, they'll immediately get assfricked out of court for being money-hungry wienerbags.
What will happen is: >Nintendo threatens to sue Valve and Dolphin >Dolphin's Steam store page will go down for six months >Suddenly Dolphin will come back with a different name >"Project Emuverse" or some shit like that >More accessibility, more settings, more options, and more compatibility than ever >They literally just added a webapps feature that integrates all of your TV and Phone apps like Netflix, Hulu, Crunchyroll, etc... (That was highly supported by those companies, mind you.)
>Threatened Earthbound Fangame project, they just continued with a different name
for the record they never actually did get a DMCA for mother 4, they preemptively changed it because they *were scared of* getting one, and the depth of the changes they'd already committed proved that AM2R and pokemon uranium getting DMCAs were a convenient bandwagon for them to justify the changes
oddity is still no closer to release than it was before lol
You send a DMCA notice to the service provider. It's no different than Nintendo sending a notice to Youtube about a video using their copyrighted material. When's the last time you saw Youtube fighting a rights owner in court? The idea that Valve would in any way give a shit about this is comical. They're not involved beyond being the party Nintendo had to send the DMCA notice to. It's now up to the Dolphin team to contest it and potentially fight it in court if Nintendo decide to sue. Valve aren't involved at all at this point.
Is this legal? Dolphin itself is neither illegal nor is it Nintendo's property, how can they prevent its release on a game store that itself is also not Nintendo's property?
Try actually reading the takedown notice. There's plenty in the DMCA that covers cicumvention of copy protection. >Section 103 (17 U.S.C Sec. 1201(a)(1)) of the DMCA bluntly states: “No person shall circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title.”
Nintendo cited that clause and their argument is that Dolphin uses Nintendo's cryptographic keys to do just that. They would have a decent chance of winning a case on that argument in a US court too.
That's just the way people are now. They even have Twitter accounts and other social media promoting emulators and their ROMs of ALL of the companies. It's absolutely asinine how people now don't know how to shut the frick up or learn to use a search engine.
Nintendo Black folk are something else,
first them releasing a "stability" update for their dead ass 3ds and now this. the sheer cuckoldry these tendies will do for papa Nintendo is pathetic as frick
It'll probably be up later
Nintendo actually can't do anything about dolphin, and if they could it would have happened way earlier than the steam release.
This is actually what I'm trying to figure out. Like, it takes less than 5 minutes for me to set it up and transfer all my roms onto my Steam Deck. Who needs it on the Steam store?
Also, aren't there a ton of other emulators on there already?
>Dolphin circumvents GC/Wii protections and includes crypto key
"A-archeologists circumvent the ancient egyptian's tombs by entering the ruins of the pyramids"
Nintendo doesn't make money off of the Gamecube or the Wii, so what the flying frick does it matter?
Is this legal? Dolphin itself is neither illegal nor is it Nintendo's property, how can they prevent its release on a game store that itself is also not Nintendo's property?
It is more complicated than that, basically they threat them to remove shit or else they can't taste any cakes from Nintendo consoles anymore. It isn't worth the dime to pursue shit, because even if they don't really see cakes from them interesting, but they might be in the future. It is also a frick you statement to Sony, and they will choose EGS over Steam because chances that any PS emulators can be released in Steam too like this anon said
That would open up a whole other can of worms not related to emulation at all. Using other companies intellectual property to sell your own stuff without it being a parody or without paying for licensing would give Nintendo or any company a slam dunk of a lawsuit against Valve and the emulator developers. Emulation is perfectly legal, but promoting products and services using someone else's IP without thier consent outside of parody isn't.
Generally speaking, Valve doesn't have anything to gain by having or letting emulators on steam. They can't/ won't make money off it and can't distribute rom files. Some people may argue its for people who have Steam Decks but wrong go out of thier way and install Dolphin or any other emulator which works just fine on it unless it's on the steam store. The small quality of life assistance for the very few tech-illiterate Steam Deck owners isn't worth damaging their relationship with another major industry player as well as thier overall reputation. Valve put out the Portal games on Switch and could easily make some extra quick cash with other ports of games life Half Life 2 if they wanted to. Letting Dolphin on would easily lead to Playstation emulator on Steam which would upset Sony who puts thier PC ports on Steam, they could easily get mad enough to tell Valve to frick off and put thier stuff on EGS as exclusives, and I'm sure Little Timmy would love to get something like Spiderman 2, Horizon Forbidden troony or God if War Ragnarok as an EGS exclusive on pc for a discount due to Sony having beef with Valve.
Dolphin is in the right, no matter what nintrannies tell you.
It embeds Nintendo's property in itself.
https://github.com/dolphin-emu/dolphin/blob/86d760b8143989627bdff1be4474ce2fe59db8e9/Source/Core/Core/IOS/IOSC.cpp#L575
Plus they admitted to using leaked trade secrets in the past.
https://emucross.com/dolphin-developer-resurrects-incomplete-wii-ios-feature/
Follow the links and look through the repo he links >These coded instructions, statements, and computer programs contain unpublished proprietary information of BroadOn Communications Corp., and are protected by Federal copyright law.
BroadOn is the company that did the backend stuff for the Wii.
ROM distribution is just piracy. ROM torrents don't get taken down.
However, pulling your own ROMs is not illegal. And actions against downloading ROMs is pretty much never punished. Only hosting them. Y'know, like any other pirated video game.
It's not bait.
I don't give a frick what mental gymnastics you do. Emulation is piracy, full stop. Saying that the program itself is legal but the programs ran on it being illegal is all the proof I need.
>Nintendo >Taking down piracy site >Also Nintendo >Selling ROMs from aforementioned piracy site with headers intact, effectively making them a hypocrite
Their policy has been "as long as you aren't moronic, then you are fine." Before, they were not moronic, but by putting it on Steam, they are moronic. Let's see how it will play out.
What? They aren't like that at all. Nintendo is extremely protective of its intellectual property, they've taken down a shit ton of fan games.
Their policy has been "as long as you aren't moronic, then you are fine." Before, they were not moronic, but by putting it on Steam, they are moronic. Let's see how it will play out.
Yes, essentially. Putting it on Steam lowers the barrier to entry and puts more eyes on it. Normies generally only ever interact with emulation through official means (like the mini consoles). It's also the reason there are fricking Fitgirl repacks of Switch games bundled with a pre-configured emulator included. Most people see it as too much hassle or too complicated to set it all up themselves.
Cope moron
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What? They aren't like that at all. Nintendo is extremely protective of its intellectual property, they've taken down a shit ton of fan games.
Because taking down fan games is easy. They have them bang to rights using Nintendo's IP, which would be trivial to sue someone for. Arguing against the legality of emulation itself would/will be a MUCH harder, longer and more expensive legal battle, and one with the potential to backfire on them if they don't win. Everybody's aware of the Bleem/VGS cases, but there's also tons of legal ground to argue beyond the scope of what was covered there. Up until this point companies like Nintendo have been content enough to let sleeping dogs lie and tolerate emulation as the still relatively niche thing it's been. Clearly it being advertised on a (rival) service as huge as Steam, in a manner which also lowers the bar to entry, is where the line is drawn for them.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Clearly it being advertised on a (rival) service as huge as Steam, in a manner which also lowers the bar to entry, is where the line is drawn for them.
Retroarch is already on steam and it emulates nintendo games.
11 months ago
Anonymous
RetroArch itself is a further layer of abstraction from just being an emulator, more difficult to use than standalone emulators anyway thanks to its fricking moronic UI and also not directly focused on emulating Nintendo games either. Not to mention that the Steam version has a limited selection of cores, with the only Nintendo ones being for older or handheld systems. Dolphin is a single-purpose piece of software focused on Nintendo and much easier to use. It's not hard to see why one is more likely to attract attention than the other. Doing this is also probably designed to scare off projects like Cemu, Ryujinx or Yuzu from ever attempting to launch on Steam. I have no doubt that Nintendo seethes much more about the latter two especially than anything else.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>n-no that doesn't count because I say so
Nice mental gymnastics, but your logic is still moronic
yeah exactly. Steamies get their emulated game running at a decent playability, tendies still get their slop fed to them and it shatters records everywhere. Everyone wins. I dont see the issue. Except Nintendo fricking seething about it lmao
Other away around famm, it's the Steam Deck trannies who can't stop thinking about Nintendo. You can't even have a steam deck general on Ganker hit post limit unless the thread is about Nintendo.
TOTK being playable on PC and Deck weeks before the Switch retail version has utterly mind broken Tendies to a level I've never seen before.
Only for the game to sell ridiculous numbers, like wow who could have seen that coming.
>Only for the game to sell ridiculous numbers
This is probably the biggest ass fricking this board has ever gotten.
>You can't even have a Steam Deck general on Ganker hit post limit unless the thread is about Nintendo.
It's almost like Nintendies get mad when they're compared to anything else.
Oh no, I gotta google dolphin emulator now instead of using steam… frick Nintendo either way right? I mean right? Let’s just steal and promote stealing. What are we Black folk
Lol the seething is happening so fast, people haven’t realized that the Dolphin devs fricked up by including the Wii’s copywrited encryption key in the Dolphin Emulator instead of it being separate that the user needs to provide like in Retroarch or other emulators. AKA Nintendo does have factual legal grounds for the case against Dolphin and could cause serious damage to the emulation community now.
Your delusion doesn’t change the facts lol Dolphin’s program includes Nintendo’s copywrited material with the key being embedded into the program to authorize and decrypt roms, which is what they DCMA’d Dolphin for. None of the other emulators have these keys built into these programs which is where Dolphin fricked up. Putting the program in that state on a storefront just gave the emulator Nintendo’s attention to strike it off the internet, so I’m serious if you like to emulate download it now while it’s still up
>copywrite
moron. you can't copyright a key, it's not a creative work. the DMCA applies because using someone's key without permission is circumvention. however, this alone does not constitute a violation if it was done for the purpose of interoperability, which is the case for an emulator. if there is no other way to enable software to run in an emulator, then circumvention is necessary to achieve that function.
none of this really matters though, because nintendo would issue a takedown regardless of whether they had a legitimate case to do so, and specifically they want to pressure valve into banning emulators outright so they don't need to present a legitimate argument in court.
It may be necessary, but it’s still nintendo’s property when their employees they paid created that encryption key and someone else using it “just because it’s necessary for the emulator to work!” Isn’t going to change that someone else is using Nintendo’s property without their permission and that isn’t permissible in a court of law lmfao
The court of law as already ruled that as fair use in the past in the Sega v. Accolade suit and recently in the Apple v. Corellium. That type of bypassing can be considered "fair use".
The way I see it now, everyone goes full "if it is true, then why don't they pursue it years ago?" argument.
So, apparently you can't even win with people like this.
Because if Nintendo could shut it down, they absolutely would've shut it down ages ago. These emulators are on Nintendo's radar the moment of their inception, being on Valve is just a threat of greater exposure and accessibility and DMCA's are free and easy to throw around regardless of whether you have a case or not.
Your delusion doesn’t change the facts lol Dolphin’s program includes Nintendo’s copywrited material with the key being embedded into the program to authorize and decrypt roms, which is what they DCMA’d Dolphin for. None of the other emulators have these keys built into these programs which is where Dolphin fricked up. Putting the program in that state on a storefront just gave the emulator Nintendo’s attention to strike it off the internet, so I’m serious if you like to emulate download it now while it’s still up
A couple of corrections:
- The fact that the emulator contains a decryption key does not mean that they are infringing Nintendo's copyright over that key. It could have been legitimately reverse engineered. That said, regardless of how the key was obtained, it is a violation of the DMCA to provide the decryption service.
- This won't be a death blow for the emulator. They will have to strip out the decryption service and require the software to be decrypted ahead of time. Then the emulator itself will be in the clear, and inevitably the decryption tool will be easy to find on any ROM piracy site (basically the same situation as needing firmware for certain emulators).
Also, over time, pre-decrypted software will pop up on these ROM piracy sites. It's really a nothingburger, I'm actually quite surprised they went this long without getting caught.
By DMCA I mean the actual Digital Millennium Copyright Act. The law. "DMCA" is often used colloquially to mean "DMCA takedown notice".
In this case, because the emulator is violating the part of the DMCA law that says providing software designed to circumvent copy protection is illegal, and Dolphin currently does this, the DMCA takedown notice is actually perfectly legitimate.
I don't know if it lets you save the decrypted content for later, but it does decrypt the software on the fly. That's enough for it to be in violation.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>don't know if it lets you save the decrypted content for later,
Then it's not in violation
11 months ago
Anonymous
>No person shall circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title >to "circumvent a technological measure" means to descramble a scrambled work, to decrypt an encrypted work, or otherwise to avoid, bypass, remove, deactivate, or impair a technological measure, without the authority of the copyright owner
Irrelevant.
11 months ago
Anonymous
[...] >No person shall manufacture, import, offer to the public, provide, or otherwise traffic in any technology, product, service, device, component, or part thereof, that— (A) is primarily designed or produced for the purpose of circumventing a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title; (B) has only limited commercially significant purpose or use other than to circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title
Because I just know that you're going to say that it's on the user, not the developers. The part of Dolphin that does this is utterly in violation of the DMCA. They will have to remove it.
It's not doing any of those things. It's just accurately emulating Wii software. It would only be circumventing it if it allowed you to make and distribute copies of the games.
11 months ago
Anonymous
You are imagining this. There is no special case in the DMCA for "accurately emulating software". If the software has to be decrypted first, then that's a problem. The emulator will have to be made slightly less accurate by requiring software to be decrypted ahead of time.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Then with that logic any program which reads any software or copy protected media in any capacity is a violation of the DMCA, including things like VLC. Wii games' copy protection isn't meant to stop a Wii from reading the disk, it's meant to stop the disk from being copied.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Wii games' copy protection isn't meant to stop a Wii from reading the disk, it's meant to stop the disk from being copied.
Well, there are really two kinds of copy protection at play here. There's encryption, which is really meant to stop bootleg consoles (or, indeed, emulators, which are sort of the same thing really). Encrypting the game does nothing if you can just burn the game to another disc and have it work on the actual console because the decryption key is the same. That's where region codes written outside of the normal area of the disc come in. They make it require specialized or modified equipment to produce bootleg copies. But those are irrelevant to emulation.
yes, interoperability is a general case for DMCA exemptions, no special case is required for emulation. everything else you said is made up bullshit.
I don't think it's at all clear that emulation would be considered interoperability or that there is any court precedent. It probably SHOULD be, but if Nintendo doesn't think it is then they could probably win on that issue.
11 months ago
Anonymous
yes, interoperability is a general case for DMCA exemptions, no special case is required for emulation. everything else you said is made up bullshit.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>No person shall circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title >to "circumvent a technological measure" means to descramble a scrambled work, to decrypt an encrypted work, or otherwise to avoid, bypass, remove, deactivate, or impair a technological measure, without the authority of the copyright owner
Irrelevant.
>No person shall manufacture, import, offer to the public, provide, or otherwise traffic in any technology, product, service, device, component, or part thereof, that— (A) is primarily designed or produced for the purpose of circumventing a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title; (B) has only limited commercially significant purpose or use other than to circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title
Because I just know that you're going to say that it's on the user, not the developers. The part of Dolphin that does this is utterly in violation of the DMCA. They will have to remove it.
>Steam heavily promotes shit like playing Windows games on Linux >people are surprised people think Steam will also back playing Nintendog games on a PC OS
even snoys have no issue with pc ports but nintendo manchildren are mad in rage when people play emulated games instead of paying israelitetendo $60 for a ROM
why are nintendo fans like this? what causes it? low T?
>activision goes on C&D spree >nintendo fricking around again >all the fun shit being taken away so people will HAVE TO CONSUME switch online and COD:MW2 for lil timmies
yeah but it was still available and the community hub had a guide on how to do it.
thats public enough.
besides. there is legal and technological presedent for emulators being legal.
im not just talking about the bleem court case with sony but a lot of companies rely on emulation in modern hardware. the realtek sound chip on pretty much every motherboard emulats a few old yamaha chips to get the sound right.
its foolish on nintendos part to dmca. they should have privately contacted valve and asked them to take it down isntead of going to war. chances are valve would have done it just to be nice.
They haven't "gone to war". Filing a DMCA complaint is the correct, legal way to go about this. I'm really not sure why some of you seem to think this is Valve vs Nintendo in any way. Nintendo aren't attacking Valve. They're asking them to process a standard request. It would have been much WORSE for Valve to simply quietly take down Dolphin, as then they'd be the ones catching shit for it. As it is, they're not involved at all. They have zero choice about whether to comply with a DMCA request, and if anyone complains they can direct them to Ninetendo, because they filed it. Valve has no skin in the game at this point. The Dolphin team will either fight it or not and the world will keep turning.
falsly issueing a dmca claim is not the corret way to go about it.
this was also solved a few years ago where nintendo was in a similar courtcase where a precedent was set that as long as nintendo is not actually selling games on pc any software that emulates their systems and does not contain copyrighted material by nintendo is fair game. that was a huge blow to nintendo and im surprised you dismissed or maybe didnt know about it cause it was all over Ganker for weeks.
the anti-emualtor sentiment by nintendo fans started shortly after. might be a coincidence... or not.
Given that Nintendo hired private investigators to stalk people who "threaten" their business who aren't giant corps themselves I'm fairly certain that it may just be a giant shill army. Who knows. If the Russians can do it, so can anyone else.
>law says you can do x >"hey did you know the law says you can do x"
>that's just you opinion man
lol
what a dumbfrick
glad to know you never had an argument to begin with and were just another tendie shill troll homosexual
I swear emulator trannies are like the vegans of vidya, always telling people they're trannies who emulate games just like vegans always tell everyone they're vegans.
You can’t DMCA an emulator homosexuals. You lost this case in the 90’s. You really want to frick with a company with a israeli leader that is 20 times your worth?
>You can’t DMCA an emulator homosexuals.
That's technically not what they're doing. They're DMCA'ing the store page for the emulator.
Dolphin will continue to exist and function as it has been for years now, it just may or may not be available on and integrated with steam.
>You can’t DMCA an emulator homosexuals. You lost this case in the 90’s.
Bleem won because they weren't using any proprietary keys or code.
Sadly, that's not the case with Dolphin.
https://github.com/dolphin-emu/dolphin/blob/master/Source/Core/Core/IOS/IOSC.cpp#L556
So how long is it gonna be until companies try to get any form of emulation rebranded as illegal and which company is gonna get the ball rolling first?
To outlaw emulation you'd basically have to also outlaw Virtualization, Compatibility Layers and pretty much every kind of software interoptability imaginable. No goverments is crazy enough to do that and big tech would fight to keep it.
Even in the console space you'd kill any kind of game collections that don't match the console vendor, like Megaman games on PS5 and Xbox. They'd rather just be passive aggressive about it.
In this case, it is.
Apparently, Nintendo "just" realized that Dolphin includes Nintendo's crypto keys to circumvent CG/Wii protections
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It embeds Nintendo's property in itself.
https://github.com/dolphin-emu/dolphin/blob/86d760b8143989627bdff1be4474ce2fe59db8e9/Source/Core/Core/IOS/IOSC.cpp#L575
Plus they admitted to using leaked trade secrets in the past.
https://emucross.com/dolphin-developer-resurrects-incomplete-wii-ios-feature/
Follow the links and look through the repo he links >These coded instructions, statements, and computer programs contain unpublished proprietary information of BroadOn Communications Corp., and are protected by Federal copyright law.
BroadOn is the company that did the backend stuff for the Wii.
>The DCMA letter sent to Valve cites the anti-circumvention language of the DMCA and specifically claims that "the Dolphin emulator operates by incorporating these cryptographic keys without Nintendo’s authorization and decrypting the ROMs at or immediately before runtime. Thus, use of the Dolphin emulator unlawfully 'circumvent[s] a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under' the Copyright Act."
Their dumbass legal team confused Dolphin with the recently taken down RCM stuff that actually was infringing.
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It embeds Nintendo's property in itself.
https://github.com/dolphin-emu/dolphin/blob/86d760b8143989627bdff1be4474ce2fe59db8e9/Source/Core/Core/IOS/IOSC.cpp#L575
Plus they admitted to using leaked trade secrets in the past.
https://emucross.com/dolphin-developer-resurrects-incomplete-wii-ios-feature/
Follow the links and look through the repo he links >These coded instructions, statements, and computer programs contain unpublished proprietary information of BroadOn Communications Corp., and are protected by Federal copyright law.
BroadOn is the company that did the backend stuff for the Wii.
I haven't had any problem pirating their shit ever since they went full cancer with the switch. And by pirate I mostly mean just getting my games that I've already bought back and not having them languish on dead outdated systems. Frick em and frick their bootlickers twice as hard.
If the guys didn't use any of Nintendo's intellectual property then that would be fraudulent DMCA and I don't think serious corporations would do that.
Anon, Nintendo tried to kill blockbuster and all rentals in the courts and lost hard because they didn’t like or understand American consumer protections, they will hammer this drum until their wallet is hit by Fat Man and Little Boy.
The only thing I hate more than people who send out fake DMCAs are people that don't fight fake DMCAs and enable the people to send out more fake DMCAs.
total ninteBlack person death >total ninteBlack person death
total ninteBlack person death >total ninteBlack person death
total ninteBlack person death >total ninteBlack person death
In this occasion it serves them right, these devs are getting too wienery doing releases on official platforms, what else did they expect? What happened to using common sense by keeping a low profile? These gays believe they're ecelebs or something.
>What happened to using common sense by keeping a low profile?
common sense has been absent from the global consciousness for about 15 years now. coinciding with the release of smart phones
>wanna bet?
List some ways.
>List some ways.
sure, i take cash, paypal, and bitcoin
>Emulation is perfectly legal
This is going to end up as a FAFO case when those rulings from over two decades ago aren't quite as cast iron as some people seem to believe they are.
They're welcome to waste a shitload of money trying to shut it down. I'd like to see them try. If Nintendo though they'd have any chance of appealing their loss they'd be in a never ending legal battle over it.
Who would you guess will run out of money first in a legal battle between Nintendo and the Dolphin team? The American court system is heavily slanted in favor of the rich. You really haven't thought it through if you actually WANT the legality of emulation to be tested again. Not poking the bear was working just fine. Stop trying to serve moronic normalgays via Steam. That's literally the only thing that needs to happen.
You say that, but if Nintendo thought they'd have any chance of winning they'd have done it already against anyone making their emulators available, whether they're on steam or not. They haven't, because they know they'd lose.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Because they have lost multiple times before.
11 months ago
Anonymous
anon i don't know if you've noticed, but it is irrelevant to them whether or not they win or lose. they are going to sue the frick out of whoever dares to defy their mandate of heaven.
they will frick over some mudhut dwelling Black person if it means they never lose any footing on the games they hoard. which is still a laughable dogma because again people will emulate regardless.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>they are going to sue the frick out of whoever dares to defy their mandate of heaven
But they haven't been. >if it means they never lose any footing on the games they hoard
That's the thing, they don't because they've already lost that footing. The most they'll go after now are ROM sites which is literal piracy.
>Emulation is perfectly legal
that's cool, now lets see you continue to contest that in court against a mutlibillon dollar megacorp that can and will frick you in the ass with legal fees for even thinking about them in a negative light
You literally don't know what you're talking about. Valve simply delivers the DMCA notice and removes the content. It's not up to them to fight it. The Dolphin devs are the ones who have to decide whether to file a counter-claim or not, at which point Nintendo can either back down or sue. Valve has no further involvement in the process.
same tendie post not increasing poster count
how long are you gonna keep this up >im just going to pretend to be a new poster that didnt read the thread and doesnt know the law and side with nintendo
stop typing abdul
You're not even pretending to be moronic, you ARE retared, i suggest learning to tie a noose and killing yourself, it might take you some time but i believe in you
Why can’t you just be honest? Asmongold said it best, if you are going to steal just steal with a smile on your face and own up. What is this faux moral quandry when ‘gib free gaem’ is the entire argument. Nothing is going to change from this anyway
this thread is so gay I'm about to go download a bunch of nintendo emulators and roms for games that I totally own
I had a small selection but I think it needs to be way bigger
If pirates weren't such obnoxious pieces of shit I wouldn't care, but nobody, not music pirates, not movie or television pirates, none are more annoying sacks of shit than videogame pirates, so frick all you trash, more power to Nintendo
Can someone explain the moral wrongdoing of pirating a game that you can't legally buy anymore? Or hell, downloading a rom of a game you already bought, and still own the case of?
I’ve broken it down as simple as possible. All you did was lol no. We know you are just trying to slide the thread and collect (You)’s. Well I’m denying you both homosexual. Nintendo going after Valve is suicidal.
Nintendo isn't going after Valve. When infringing material is hosted on a platform, the DMCA notice is generally sent to whoever runs the platform even if they don't own that material. This is done because they are more likely to take action. Actually, Valve has total immunity from this - that's something that is outlined in the DMCA. As long as you as a platform host are open to receiving and acting on DMCA takedowns, you won't be held liable for infringing material that other people upload to your platform.
>Old emulation gays >Work in silence >Throw out updates every now and then >Basically tell people to look around for bios because they aren't gonna bother helping. Do it yourself
>Nu emulation gays >Patreons >Going moronicy bold >Incite people to go after them
Me saying that Nintendo is fully within their rights in this case is not being a tendie. I know that emulation itself is legal, which is why it's bad when an emulator does illegal things on the side. It makes it much easier for the average person to say that emulation is bad and should be illegal by itself.
I can understand tiktok of the kingdom as pigslop as it is, but Pokémon.
Dude I don’t even have to mention another example from the tendies side and I can’t think of a single example from PlayStations side that could compete.
snoys sure as annoying but it's mostly console wars and they aren't bootlickers like nintendies are
even snoys laughed at how dumb the ps5 controller glued to tablet wii u streaming thing is
nintendies on the other hand will eat up anything nintendo releases
I mean, Nintendo sold them literal fricking cardboard!
At least Nintendo is so consistent that they took down their own roms and emulators and made sure that all the ones people bought weren't able to be played on the Switch. So they could then rerelease them slowly and charge a subscription for them.
Dolphin knows they are using stolen keys they won’t push back. Nintendo didn’t gave a shit about 5000 people emulating in the corner of the internet but they had to paint a target on themselves with a Steam release
Sega is so more calm about emulators. They actually hired sonic romhackers to work on Sonic Mania. Nintendo is literally the opposite, yet this falls under fair use, because we dont sell our fan games, they're free. This just shows how dogshit of a company Nintendo is to their fans.
i am not wrong and you know it, homie. sega needs as much good will as they can get while nintendo can shit in the mouths of actual infants and still receive praise
Sega leadership is incompetent, but have always been more open with their autists. Nintendo knows they have their fans by the balls and can lead them any which way they can.
that's exactly my point, homie. nintendo doesn't shit a frick because it doesn't need to. meanwhile sega has to shit a frick or they incur the wrath of a thousand chris chans
I don’t think I’m getting this, isn’t that a bad thing?
to quite literally any other company it would be. but nintendo somehow has millions of cultists superglued to their sides and back to shield them from any and all backlash that would occur from shitting in the mouths of infants
let me know when something actually happens because unless Nintendo decides on just going after every Dolphin facet outright i don't think anything is going to actually happen. It's still around on the site and a bunch of off hand 3rd person sites, it's on github i think, there's the retroarch core which is either there or not depending on the version and it still can be added through shortcuts
Those morons. They got away with using nintendo material for literally over a decade and no have to make their emulation worse because of them pulling and Icarus and fly to the sun.
PC cucks absolutely seething yet again for not getting their own way
https://dolphin-emu.org/
damn that was hard
Bro I'm running Paper Mario The Thousand Year Door on my PC as I'm typing this. What the frick are you on?
anon, stop replying to bait while you're playing video games...
I can run it on my PC it's easy to install just not on the Steam store. Also I can use Steam ROM Manager program if i really wanted to run games through emulation on Steam anyways.
It seems as though you are the one that is angry, friend.
Nintentards raging over PC gamers enjoying Nintendo games on superior PC.
FYI, emulators are legal.
>FYI, emulators are legal
They're not legal when you don't have a legit copy of the game you're emulating, why you morons always use that argument
I'm emulating psp right now and it's basically pirating because I don't even have the games I'm emulating to begin with
>Cars aren't legal when you kill people with them!
They use that argument because that's how it legally works, the program itself is completely legal to own and distribute because the logic goes that you are entitled to a backup digital copy of your video game and a program that runs that backup copy is not a violation of IP laws. Obviously you're pirating with it, but that's the worst-kept secret of all time that emulators are used for piracy.
nta but the part commonly omitted is that while backup copies are legal, the process to rip/dump them is usually not and requires circumventing security to reach that point.
that circumvention IS legal though
I said USUALLY not, as opposed your blanket statement. But go argue in the court of law.
>I said USUALLY not
and i corrected your false statement
it always is
It always is... not. There's always a million asterisks attached then it happens.
that's what the fricking exception is for dumbass
it ALWAYS is legal to make a personal backup of the physical media you own and circumvent copy protection to do so
copy protection is only a physical deterrent for law abiding citizen's and a base for a legal claim against ACTUAL piracy, ie people breaking copy protection to actually commit piracy and spread copies
Im almost positive there was a landmark courtcase that set the precedent that doing that WAS legal. How can you say
>Making backups is legal
>Actually performing the action of making backups is actually illegal though
at the same time
Its like saying working on your car is legal but if you pop the hood cops can arrest you
I didn't say the action, I said getting to that point.
Pardon my School of Wikipedia, but:
>Thus, if there is some "technological measure that effectively controls access to a work", it is illegal to circumvent that measure. However, Section 1201 creates several exceptions to this rule, and the Library of Congress is empowered to create additional exceptions.
Now before you say
>LOOK, EXEMPTIONS!
Exactly. Exemptions. It has to be challenged every time a new exemption is needed.
making lawful personal backups is not a new exemption, it's been there
how long are you going to keep this up
How long are you going to ignore what I originally said? I never said personal backups were illegal. I said the steps to make them USUALLY (NOT always) are.
never are
you're just incorrect on that
We're free to disagree.
no you're free to be wrong
a disagreement implies some opinion is involved
law isnt an opinion
And your interpretation of the law is an opinion. Bye.
Emulators are legal.
Downloading ROMS off the internet and/or distributing them is illegal.
Ripping copies of games you legally own and making backups of them, and even playing them in emulators is completely legal.
>They're not legal
No, they're still legal, but the pirated game (or BIOS as the case may be) in question is not legal. That's like saying owning a hammer is illegal because you could smash someone's head with it. There is nothing illegal about the tool, there are only illegal applications of the tool.
you are the stupidest mother fricker
>your gun isnt legal becsuse you can kill someone with it
The emulation is legal, using the emulator to play rooms is not. Emulation is legal by basis of
A. Free use
B. Reverse enginering
C. Saving the "code" of consoles
>using the emulator to play roms is not.
dude you are fricking delusional
Black person google "is emulation legal" and you will find 99% of the time something along the lines of "emulating is legal, dowloading ROMS and using the emulator to run them is not"
downloading roms illegally, is illegal
playing your roms on an emulator is not illegal
You know what i am refering to
no i dont because you're speaking fricking nonsense
You know i specified DOWNLOAD ROMS RIGTH???
I pirated my games for my Wii and 3DS all the time, so it's not really any different whether I use an emulator or a real system; shit's free.
They're not DMCA'ing the emulator, but the Steam release.
Anyone can download the standalone version from Dolphin's official website rigth now.
moron.
I'm playing TOTK in 4K60fps while you're stuck playing it at 720p20.
Keep seething nintendie.
Wrong emulator, wrong console generation, wrong thread. moron.
>tendie malding over truth
bing bing wahoos truly are subhuman garbage
alguem br?
fpbp, came here to post this. steamcucks seething over not being able to steal, lmao
"getting their way"? Who cares? Why would you care about people playing old games on PC? Nintendo is not even losing money and even if they did, again, who cares? They are a multi billion dollar company. They don't give a frick about you, and you shouldn't give a frick either.
Quit samegayging you troony.
>just beat Breath of the Wild 2
>now playing through Twilight Princess
The only seething is coming from bootlickers that screaming for Nintendo jannies to take down completely legal software.
>bootlickers that screaming for Nintendo jannies to take down completely legal software.
are these bootlickers in the room with us right now?
A bootlicker, and a moron, yes. Also, make sure to turn on the Hyrule Field FPS patch if you're on Dolphin 5.0.0+
consumer cuck post
go suck Shigeru Miyamoto small cuck and get fricked over by kidtendo some more
look at the rage
Yeah just look at them screaming @FBI to save them from consumer friendly software, oh wait...
What's with emulators getting steam releases, anyway? Is anyone actually using them this way?
I think it's a way of donating to the devs? I think Krita or Gimp or something cost money on the Windows store but was free everywhere else.
Oh yeah? Well I bet GabeN will step in and tell Nintendo to frick off. They already showed emulators in their Deck videos.
They actually took those videos down and reuploaded them with the emulator icons blurred out.
it's wat you do till legal battle ends else you get charged more.
valve won't do shit because there's nothing for them to gain there
the emulator is free for on steam so valve is getting nothing from that and it's not like you can purchase ROMs
>valve is getting nothing
they're also doing shit like Proton despite the Linux userbase of Steam being infinitely smaller than the Windows one.
Valve does a lot while getting nothing, probably cause they can afford it, private company yo
proton is just a wine fork it costs them virtually nothing even if they had several full time devs on it and only works because of dxvk and vkd3d which is not by valve but some dudes
It costs them virtually nothing cause Valve makes a lot of money, but they have 100+ developers working on that shit.
https://archive.is/rLP9b
Valve has been paying "those dudes" and CodeWeavers, the Wine maintaners, for ages for their work on Proton and DXVK. They've also been putting a lot of staff on it and merging their code back upstream to Wine, a lot of the improvements in Wine and new features like HDR support came from Valve's work on Proton.
>What is Steam Deck
Valve took that video down because they're scared of Nintendo.
It's not for money, it's to allow users to use the steam cloud to sync saves and settings across devices easily.
This. You can also get cool features like native SteamInput support, Remote Play Together works well too, and generally just a more streamlined experience (at least that's the goal ultimately)
hot take but if this is the goal - to use an emulator to hijack the same "experience" from a Nintendo service - then I think Nintendo is fully justified to do what they're doing.
If Nintendo wants people to play on their shit system they can start by making it an attractive service
I thought Dolphin on Steam was an April Fool's joke, this is first I'm seeing it was real
Cloud save support on Retroarch is cool, not much other than that.
There is stuff like steam rom manager that let's you add roms as steam games and launch them from steam. It's pretty convenient.
Maybe you shouldnt try to put emulators on Steam. What a stupid fricking move. You're basically daring the companies to put even more effort into stopping piracy. Is it really that hard for you to visit a website and download a file if its not on steam?
This. They just dont know the basic rule of it: Shut the frick up.
>Shut the frick up.
Pirates will never, NEVER do this. They will pay for every game they ever pirated before they shut up about pirating. It is quite literally the one and only thing they are incapable of.
This is true. I use the Emulators as a non game Steam add on even my games I bought off site like Rance. It's really not hard.
They cynic in me says emu devs think poking the bear will increase their patreon bux by eliciting sympathy from the DMCAs.
>I NEED AN EMULATOR ON STEAM, I NEED EVERYTHING ON STEAM AHHHHH
You're a homosexual
you are a worthless moron
And you're a fricking moron that's asking for the corpo to dick you in the ass for not figuring out how to go to a different website to download the emulator you blind troony.
If you need Steam to install software, you're a fricking idiot who should sell their "gayming PC" and buy a Speak & Spell, because that's more your level, at this point.
damn Black person you'll actually vouch for secuROM-riddled installers just to get one over on le steamies
Why are they getting too big for their britches by putting it on Steam? They have a perfectly fine website already. If this is the catalyst to a DMCA on the actual dolphin site too then these are actually the most fricking moronic devs in existence.
Steam deck support
You can already emulate on the deck. Needing an official way to do it is for tech illiterate mouthbreathers.
>NOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST MAKE IT MORE CONVENIENT TO USE
convenience means nothing if it isn't practical, much less when it gets your shit taken down, moron
Not an argument
Clearly not if shitendo is going after them
>it a company did something then thry must be right and can never be wrong
keep sucking that dick
Not what I said braindead moron
If anything, it'd be less convenient to use it through Steam
the easier it is for the normalgay to access it. the eagerly the companies are to hunt them down.
The appeal would be cloud saving, I guess.
Not an argument
Dolphin already works fine on the steam deck, and emudeck exists for people too dumb to set it up for themselves
>B-B-BUT EMULATION IS LEGAL THO!!!!!
I told you morons multiple times when the dolphin steam threads first started showing up that Nintendo was going to have a shitfit about it, but you didnt listen.
Legality doesnt matter when you have millions of dollars and dozens of lawyers to stall for as long as you want.
It's not like Valve is hurting for money either. But mostly I think Nintendo is hoping a small push will cause them to shut it down on account of not giving a shit and not wanting the hassle.
>It's not like Valve is hurting for money either
Valve isn't going to bat for these guys.
You overestimate how big Nintendo is as a company. They're carried by their IPs and brand recognition, not their money. Valve is far more stacked.
You overestimate Valve and underestimate Nintendo. Nintendo is definitely by far a bigger company. That being said, that anon is moronic, Valve isn't so small that it can get bullied by court fees but Valve also has no reason to go to bat for emulators.
Valve would have so much to gain from emulation. Imagine Mario on the front page of steam without paying a dime
You mean imagine something that would get Valve fricked in the ass in court? Dumping your own roms is one thing but they can't sell pirated games.
That would open up a whole other can of worms not related to emulation at all. Using other companies intellectual property to sell your own stuff without it being a parody or without paying for licensing would give Nintendo or any company a slam dunk of a lawsuit against Valve and the emulator developers. Emulation is perfectly legal, but promoting products and services using someone else's IP without thier consent outside of parody isn't.
Generally speaking, Valve doesn't have anything to gain by having or letting emulators on steam. They can't/ won't make money off it and can't distribute rom files. Some people may argue its for people who have Steam Decks but wrong go out of thier way and install Dolphin or any other emulator which works just fine on it unless it's on the steam store. The small quality of life assistance for the very few tech-illiterate Steam Deck owners isn't worth damaging their relationship with another major industry player as well as thier overall reputation. Valve put out the Portal games on Switch and could easily make some extra quick cash with other ports of games life Half Life 2 if they wanted to. Letting Dolphin on would easily lead to Playstation emulator on Steam which would upset Sony who puts thier PC ports on Steam, they could easily get mad enough to tell Valve to frick off and put thier stuff on EGS as exclusives, and I'm sure Little Timmy would love to get something like Spiderman 2, Horizon Forbidden troony or God if War Ragnarok as an EGS exclusive on pc for a discount due to Sony having beef with Valve.
>Generally speaking, Valve doesn't have anything to gain by having or letting emulators on steam
I disagree, it massively simplifies Emulator installation for moronic people. Which means the barrier of entry for emulation gets lower.
Obviously this is "threatening" for old companies who want to gatekeep decade+ old single player games that only they can normally rerelease, because once you know how to install the emulator finding guides that tell you where to get games is the next step and is much easier.
or tl;dr Nintendo are just being greedy morons again and are mad that Valve can circumvent their greed to make their platform more attractive through completely legal means, so they're doing corporate bullying to try and get their way
>Valve doesn't have anything to gain
>I disagree
>[posts irrelevant points and nothing about Valve gaining anything]
uh-huh
this sure pissed off the tendies
Why don't you go host a rom download site from your own pocket? You believe you get money for simply making other people download roms. Put your personal info on the site too. Do it and see how much money you get. I encourage you.
But Valve doesnt gain anything from it directly. They can't monetize the emulator and any time spent in the emulator playing games is time they aren't spending playing and buying Steam games.
Yeah, then losing Sony and Xbox as their customers? Fricking moron
>it massively simplifies Emulator installation for moronic people. Which means the barrier of entry for emulation gets lower
You forgot to write the part where explain why Valve would give a shit about that. They don't make any money if you download Dolphin from Steam. They don't make any money from you downloading games to run on it either. Valve have literally zero stake in this, unless you're genuinely delusional enough to believe that Steam needs the publicity or something.
>No way to monetize it
>Costs them a tiny bit of money to have it on the store and service downloads
>Damages thier relationship with another company they've worked with in the past
>Sends a bad message to Sony and to a much lesser extent Microsoft, potentially causing them to put thier PC ports elsewhere even for a limited time.
>All to help people too moronic to download emulators but not moronic enough to know what they are and how to look stuff up on Steam.
They really don't have anything to gain, but they do have money to lose. Hell, the only person who gains from it is Tim Sweney.
If they want to compete Nintendo, then sure why not do that tho.
Deck has been proven once and once again that it is more superior to Switch. I bet even Switch 2 will be even less better than Deck.
>Which means the barrier of entry for emulation gets lower.
this is not a good thing, at all.
trying to gatekeep emulation makes you one of the highest tiers of wienersucker in the solar system
moronic normalgays do not deserve anything good.
the old games are already up on the internet. it is literally not my fault that computer illiterate normalgays cannot seek it out for themselves.
being a frickin' based-ment dweller actually does not make you smarter
feel free to have any compelling arguments at any time anon, your ad-hominem is laughable
"ad hominem" from somebody that complains about normalgays is hysterical
you're still not disputing any of my claims, homie. normalgays do not deserve to be pandered to by the emulation scene at all. either they get smart enough to seek out the stuff on their own or they remain chained to shitass companies like nintendo hoping and praying they'll be merciful enough to throw a chewed up bone with the marrow sucked out to them.
what claims, you're a mouthbreather that can't stand being insulted while mouthing off about normies, you don't deserve an argument or a milk-crate to stand on while delivering them
>what claims
the one that says normalgays do not deserve to be pandered to.
>you don't deserve an argument or a milk-crate to stand on while delivering them
i emulated a milk crate to stand on, so eat shit.
I fricking hate this psuedo-intellectual angle from Gankerirgins that want to come across as smart for being disdainful of the world outside the shed they live in on their mother's property
>being this mad that you can't refute what i have to say
no tears, only dreams now.
>wtf stop being contrarian against the neurotypical morons that infest the planet!
No you dumb homosexual. As long as it “stays underground” Nintendo will continue to tread on property rights and other protection that you and your “normies” have under the law. It is better to have one israelite shove the other israelites big nose in it for trying to frick with what has been found legal repeatedly for close to 60 years now. Because no one else is big enough to fight this otherwise.
>Because no one else is big enough to fight this otherwise.
why should they? everyone who emulates is already doing so regardless of what a bunch of shit ass japs have to say about it regardless. some moron thought it was a good idea to bring it to steam and now you think valve is just going to back them up?
Because if you don’t fight it those slanted eyed asiatics will take your rights from you.
again, why should valve care? it's already an open secret that they're indifferent to emulation
They wouldn’t until this DMCA. Japs are bad about picking fights they can’t win and insuring at least two nukes.
>They wouldn’t until this DMCA.
because?
You’re right anon, multi-billion dollar companies don’t care about frivolous law suits and attacks on their market. I’d ask if you are fricking dense but I already know your brain is a very small, marble pebble.
>attack on their market
>because of some moron that thought he could put an emulator on steam
anon please, my sides are in shambles at your stupidity.
>You can't ruin emulation by lowering its barrier to entry.
wanna bet?
>wanna bet?
List some ways.
You are the dumbest Black person to ever try and drink chicken grease straight out the cast iron.
oh please, do tell me how i'm wrong. do not skip out on any details. i will read and consider every word you put into your reply.
You can’t fathom what I’m spitting. Just go play with your turds like you normally do on Friday night. Hope you got the grease to bean ratio right this time.
i graciously accept your concession, maybe next time you'll have an actual argument.
if emulation didn't have some amount of gatekeeping there would be a much larger effort from game companies to end it
no it just makes you smart and not some moron underage/third worlder.
for big corporations hoarding their old games like dragons, yes
You can't ruin emulation by lowering its barrier to entry. Gatekeeping needs to be done on a franchise level.
>Imagine Mario on the front page of steam without paying a dime
That would be stupider than simply allowing emulation and covering your eyes.
>Literally so dogshit you need to steal from Nintendo just to make your shit look better off
Just make Steamshit even more pathetic looking why don't ya
Nintendo can't even do anything since emulators are not illegal.
Nintendo is worth about $50 billion, Valve isn't even worth $10 billion
Do you have a single fact to back that up, considering Valve isn't a publicly traded company?
he does not, valve has so much frick-you money from essentially being the entire PC games publishing industry that they can do whatever they feel like until the end of time
Valve has probably made more from TF2 hats and CS gambling than all their high profile Switch releases combined, in the last two years that is
Nah. Pokemon completly BTFO TF2 and CSGO "not gambling" just by the sheer amount of merchandising
someone sending a misinformed DMCA is illegal
shut the frick up didnt even read your post
And yet Nintendo has done this repeatedly in the past and got away with it.
>shut the frick up didnt even read your post
I wont and you already did.
>and gotten away with it
name a single fricking time they've gotten away with false dmca'ing emulators
Heres one from just the beginning of this month
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2023/05/nintendo-files-dmca-takedowns-on-switch-emulation-tools-just-before-tears-debut/
that's not a fricking emulator and the court case for that is building moron
god you're fricking stupid
>moving the goalposts
Not an argument
>misinformed DMCA
I'm glad Anon the lawyer has analyzed the DMCA and knows better than Nintendo's lawyers.
a dead corpse knows better than nintendo lawyers
Considering DMCA was more or less thrown together by george dubya in a drunken stupor after listening to a bunch of slack jawed neadrethals in media more or less declaring
>Owning like, music and movies and software, that can just not count right xD
You don't need to be a legal expert to actually read through it.
>someone sending a misinformed DMCA is illegal
And the solution to that is spending 15 years in court while Nintendo drains your money. Doesn't matter if you win when the judgement would, at best, get you back 1% of what you spent.
you get all court fees for frivolous dmca's moron
Yeah but valve has BILLIONS of dollars so Nintendo has no chance
Don’t care, anything that makes Nintendo look bad and lose money is a good thing. Modern Nintendo is a Satanic organization
go outside
I hope it goes to court and Nintendo losess again.
>again
When? The one who sued emulator were Sony and Sega. In fact, they don't try it yet.
Valve controls a significant part of the pc gaming market. They aren’t a small company. They have their own army of lawyers, but it wouldn’t make much sense for them to fight against Nintendo unless it meant massive profits.
There's literally 0 potential profits for Valve here, they would be distributing a free program. Anyone surprised by this is really stupid.
Yeah that’s why they aren’t and won’t fight it. They aren’t a charity for emulator enjoyers.
They have, for promoting Deck. We know Nintendo are in panic with the success of Deck. I can even play ToTK flawlessly with Deck.
>We know Nintendo are in panic with the success of Deck
I guess I'm the only non-delusional owner of a Deck. Deck owners will really say moronic shit like this.
No, it just means you are moronic and get trolled way too easily to the point of responding to those posts. People just like to troll people who like Nintendo.
Sure bro, you were only pretending to be moronic.
Why would they fight a very costly and potentially lengthy legal battle to promote a product that they have already cornered the market with. Doesn’t make sense.
Yeah, I don't know how this is so hard to understand. People merely using Steam is a good thing for Valve cause it gets people into their ecosystem.
>We know Nintendo are in panic with the success of Deck.
Define success. Steam Deck has sold just over 3 million units which isn't a ton, but since it's a niche piece of hardware and not a true platform it's doing OK as long as they don't sell the hardware at a loss. Nintendo is currently selling around 10 Switch systems for every Steam Deck sold, and that's with the Switch being really old.
https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2023/04/report-steam-deck-to-pass-3-million-sales-during-2023/
https://www.gamesindustry.biz/omdia-steam-decks-total-console-sales-count-to-hit-3m-units-in-2023
Deck and Switch are two totally different pieces of hardware in different markets.
Steam Deck competes more with "gaming" laptops and other portable PCs more than out does the Switch. It'll never be able to be a huge thing in the industry unless Valve is able to produce, market and sell enough of them to compete with a more traditional console, which does not seem to be what Valve wants or is capable of doing. The Deck generally appeals to enthusiasts who want to play thier Steam games on the go as opposed to thier PC. A Switch 2 and Steam Deck wouldn't really effect each other, and if they did it would only be in positive ways.
>Nintendo would be pressured to put out stronger hardware
>Indie and third-party developers would be pressured into having thier games be able to run on Switch 2 since it'll be more capable which means better optimization for low spec hardware which means better overall optimization and more compatible games for Steam Deck
>Valve, if they wanted to compete directly, would be pressured into putting out an improved or cheaper Deck, this fueling more games to be compatible with it due to it having a larger user base.
good post
What is the advantage of running free (and sometimes even open source) software through a closed platform like Steam besides "owning the tendies"?
there isnt. its technically worst if anything
cloud saves and steam input for native controller support on basically everything under the sun
Same reason why the Linuxcucks use the Snap Store.
It's convenient.
Wannabe FOSS-lords just do not understand the convenience aspect of being on Steam, their whole argument is that Steam is inherently the devil and they won't use it under any circumstances. Like good for them but unless you pirate everything you're going to be using Steam for some stuff eventually.
Generally speaking, there isn't, you'll get an on-par experience at best, and likely a worse one over time depending on how updates are handled. Dolphin is so stable and solved now that it wouldn't be THAT worse in most cases. The only benefit is that it'll be "easier and more accessible" to people who have enough tech-literacy to play games on PC via Steam but not enough to download and run emulators that have been around for 15 or so years.
"Owning the 'tendies" by helping morons is really the only real reason.
Steam input is way better than the default for most emulators. That alone is why I run pcsx2 through Steam.
dude steam input just emulates xinput if you use it for non steam gamed and apps
how is it better than just configuring it in the emulator
Fapping in your house is legal until a suit is thrown at you and you can't defend.
is nintendo actually moronic?
Who cares?
Pirategays BTFO
wait arent emulators completely 100% legal?
seems like an unwinnable lawsuit
Look at this idiot who thinks the law actually matters to the rich
did they also DMCA the dolphin retroarch core and every other core that emulates one of their consoles? if not, that's just dumb
It's more about them shitting their pants over an emulator appearing front and center on a mainstream platform, where little Johnny Surfacedweller can more easily learn that such things exist, and have the installation spoonfed to him.
Whats the diff between downloading this from its official page and from steam?
maybe it would've made playing online easier? like you could just invite your steam friend to a melee lobby
No matter how many times Nintendo whines the Bleem! case will never be overturned and emulation will never be illegal
there are basically just 2 reasons to use dolphin on steam
>convenience
>steam cloud
you can still use dolphin on your computer right now
>DMCA
On what grounds?
Piracy is a crime, as is drug use.
emulation isn't piracy. and some drug use IS legal. speaking of which, go get your meds, homosexual.
>Piracy is a crime
Emulation isn't Piracy, and the term "piracy" doesn't even reflect what actually happens when someone downloads a rom off the internet. It's shit that some manipulative, limp-wristed twats came up with a long time ago to give it some sting to people that don't know any better.
Piracy would be if you took something by force. It would only be stealing if the person no longer had the thing themselves. But in fact, roms come from a person that bought the product themselves, then shared it on the internet. If you had a tape recorder, and you recorded a song that was being played in the background, it's the same thing, (Which most morons will say, "That's wrong too!") But the only people that get hurt by piracy are the people that create, market, and sell the games themselves. People who we have said time and time again don't know how to do their jobs properly. When a game is actually good and worthwhile, I'll purchase it.
Companies themselves use underhanded tactics to wring every dollar they can out of people and willingly manipulate them into purchasing subpar products, and yet nobody is seriously taking legal action against the entire game industry. They literally have teams of scientists and researchers and sociologists and Machiavellian advertising people all monitoring your every move to see if they can trick you or deceive you into spending as much money as possible on their products... You can choose not to purchase them, for sure. But what if you could choose to enjoy them without falling for their shit?
Both should be legal and encouraged. I'm tired of big corporation getting in their way
It's baseless. It's just to deter Valve from releasing it. Would work as I imagine they're afraid to go to court over something so small.
>YOU STOLE ONE OF MY ONLY GAMES
>NOW I'M GONNA GO BANKRUPT
Needs a Mario hat and mustache
if you expected emulators to stay up on steam, you are moronic anyway. why are you even using such a cucked platform where you don't even own your games, if you're such a le free thinking pirate anyway?
This so much
Valvegays are not so far removed from the foaming at the mouth TOtK masses in their fanaticism
Who cares?
A better update for Dolphin any emulator would be a verification check to make sure you own a legal copy first to prevent people from breaking the law
they're under no legal or moral obligation to do so
You could always just use Dolphin WITHOUT getting the emulator from Steam like everyone else does.
>I hate tendies so much, it's unreal.
That's nice. We don't think of you at all.
were they going to charge for it on the steam page? if so no fricking wonder they got dmca'd
they can charge whatever they want for their shit if they want to
what are you even implying
whenever someone starts charging money for an emulator, roms, or a fangame, it get's whacked immediately
>emulator
not true
illegal dmca
No, they get hit with an abusive SLAPP suit where they are 100% on the losing side, the only reason they "win" is because they do exactly what SLAPPs are meant to do and drain their opponents money.
Sony v Bleem! established that selling emulation tools is legal, and even using screenshots of emulated games was legal as well (As Sony tried specifically to use screenshots on the case of the disc for a double whammy argument)
https://steamdb.info/app/1941680/history/
doesn't look like it.
>Dolphin Emulator is free and open source software, licensed under the GNU General Public License version 2 or newer. Newo Zero and Newo Escape are developed by Owen, with contributions from KenneyNL, Mr. Reaper, jtsknight92, and Julian Mathonet. Used with permission. This software is built to run legally acquired games. Dolphin Emulator does not come with games. We do not condone piracy in any shape or form.
*wink wink nudge nudge*
I don't know why you'd need an emulator on steam but Nintendo doesn't have a leg to stand thanks to the bleem case.
>but Nintendo doesn't have a leg to stand thanks to the bleem case.
Do you people not realize how loudly money talks, no matter what happens in a court of law? Nintendo can keep taking shit to court over and over and over and over and over until the defense has no money or patience to fight anymore.
How would money talk in this instance? In fact, money speaks a little to loudly in this situation. A judge could see how fricking greedy Nintendo is and say "Yeah, no. Frick that. Valve is within their right to release it." In fact, that's happened in the past multiple times to them.
Now, I want it to happen.
Because Valve has been backed down as well before. They mistakenly put Yuzu in their Deck ads, and in the end, they replaced it.
wait did they really try to release an emulator on steam? (other than retroarch)
wow good job morons
Emulators are totally legal.
>I hate tendies so much
rent free
ok, i'll just go to the website and download it like any normal person would
Now, if you all will excuse me, I have to go play THE ENTIRE FRICKING NINTENDO LIBRARY on my Steamdeck...
That sounds like it will take a long time. Are you only going for first party games?
I was just joking. What I've actually been enjoying on my Steam Deck lately is a lot of retro RPGs. I've went back and played the entire Dragon Quest series, Phantasy Star, and the Final Fantasy series. I'm just going back to anything that seems interesting, starting with the late 80s and moving forward.
Nice, I hope you have fun. How are the phantasy star games, I've yet to give them a go.
They were really good, but the later ones like Phantasy Star Online and the PSP games were significantly more fun. The early games required a thorough guide to even understand where I was supposed to go or what I was supposed to do at some points.
Not that Anon but I wonder if it's possible to play on Ephinea on the Deck
I just looked it up, apparently yes! It looks like it takes a couple extra steps, but I'd wager you could have it set up in less than 30 minutes.
Modern Nintendo is unironically worse than EA.
Steam: You will own nothing and you will be happy.
this was going to be the obvious response when they announced it and said it was "coming soon"
why not just release it instantly? what is the point of waiting for nintendo to realize and threaten valve?
Has nobody seen the video with the guy saying to shut the frick up if your shit isn't being released immediately?
a fact of life people need to understand is that 95% of emulator developers, modders, romhackers, and fangame developers are doing it TO GET KNOWN
they want to bring attention to themselves
this is why they are so public instead of working on their fangame or whatever in silence and then dropping it
they use an existing popular franchise with rabid fans (example: sonic), make the minimum effort "game" (single level shitty tech demo for "how sonic shud b in 3d") and then do jackshit and maybe hope they get dmca'd so they can look like the victim and gain even more internet popularity for their real project or to get hired by a company
they know full well that their own original and completely legal stuff would never get them nowhere near the same level of recognition
simply put, they don't do it "for the love" or whatever, they are really leeching off the popularity of a big franchise and using it as free advertising to themselves
It's just an emulator. How is this expected to hold up in court?
>How is this expected to hold up in court?
It's called the turtle defense. Nintendo is going to hide behind court delays and fees in the hopes that the defendants will eventually buckle under paying so many court fees and be forced to abandon the case.
Many such cases
It 100% is not going to hold up. Nintendo's legal department sends a cease and desist every time the wind blows. Have you noticed that they've never acted upon any of the CnDs?
Emulation is not only legal, it's morally sound. Nintendo doesn't realize that when they take these actions THEY end up looking like the bad guy.
Until it does.
Legal theory is not that simple, and the DMCA has specific rules about circumventing DRM.
and exceptions
making personal copies of physical media you own is one of them
and making tools that facilites that is also legal
Nop. Sony tried that and got blasted the frick really fricking hard. Emulation is legal because it works to preserve the archethecture of the machine, with Reverse architecture
Sony only tried with regards to marketing it as compatible with the PS1 and using screenshots. Educate yourself, moron.
And in the same lawsuit it was determinated to be legal. What is your point anyways?
The lawsuit had nothing to do with emulation.
Mega moron
> Sony sued Connectix for copyright and patent infringement. Sony argued that because its emulator allowed PlayStation games to be played on PCs, it was harmful to game publishers, developers, creators and ultimately consumers.
Sony was suing a company that dedicated on making PS1 emulator on PC. It was later declared to be free use. It ended with sony buying conectix
I wonder why would anyone want to have a fricking emulator on steam of all places, but I can't expect better from morons that need steam in the first place.
Anyone remember they had the mario cap on the steam page for a while. They are really asking for it
does nintendo pay you, mister shill?
you seem awfully invested in defending nintendo's illegal actions and spreading misinformation about emulators
just kidding, we all know you're a fat Black person moron that does it for free
Dont give a shit about steam release, just give me retroachievement support already
do they even have legal grounds to do this? emulators are not illegal.
absolutely none
They didn't have legal grounds to DMCA hundreds of nonprofit fangames either, but they still did it.
Or the reverse engineered PC decomps
Or YouTube videos that even breathed the phrase Nintendo emulation
They threatened all those people, but they never actually did anything in 99% of those cases.
>Threatened Earthbound Fangame project, they just continued with a different name
>Threatened Pokemon Uranium, They took their website down, but then reuploaded two weeks later
>CnD to Pokemon Essentials, they immediately went back up and then spawned multiple Pokemon game editors that were even better
>They realized how the report button worked on Youtube and started reporting anyone playing their games, Youtube gradually lets all those videos back online after they realize how moronic that is.
Nintendo is just out of touch and moronic. They know that as soon as it gets taken to any sort of legal debate, they'll immediately get assfricked out of court for being money-hungry wienerbags.
What will happen is:
>Nintendo threatens to sue Valve and Dolphin
>Dolphin's Steam store page will go down for six months
>Suddenly Dolphin will come back with a different name
>"Project Emuverse" or some shit like that
>More accessibility, more settings, more options, and more compatibility than ever
>They literally just added a webapps feature that integrates all of your TV and Phone apps like Netflix, Hulu, Crunchyroll, etc... (That was highly supported by those companies, mind you.)
>Threatened Earthbound Fangame project, they just continued with a different name
for the record they never actually did get a DMCA for mother 4, they preemptively changed it because they *were scared of* getting one, and the depth of the changes they'd already committed proved that AM2R and pokemon uranium getting DMCAs were a convenient bandwagon for them to justify the changes
oddity is still no closer to release than it was before lol
DMCAs were designed for enabling corporate bullying without legal grounding.
imagine just...ignoring the DMCAs?
ignoring DMCAs is illegal
they have to be listened to and challenged in court for their validity
that's the entire point idiot
nintendo thinks they can throw their weight around and just eat the punishment for the bad filings
Didn't people get sued for ignoring dmcas?
Are they DMCAing the Dolphin team or Valve? Cause Valve definitely has enough weight to fight it if they want to.
They DMCA'd dolphin's Steam page, so it's not even the software just the steam page itself.
Why? No clue
You send a DMCA notice to the service provider. It's no different than Nintendo sending a notice to Youtube about a video using their copyrighted material. When's the last time you saw Youtube fighting a rights owner in court? The idea that Valve would in any way give a shit about this is comical. They're not involved beyond being the party Nintendo had to send the DMCA notice to. It's now up to the Dolphin team to contest it and potentially fight it in court if Nintendo decide to sue. Valve aren't involved at all at this point.
Try actually reading the takedown notice. There's plenty in the DMCA that covers cicumvention of copy protection.
>Section 103 (17 U.S.C Sec. 1201(a)(1)) of the DMCA bluntly states: “No person shall circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title.”
Nintendo cited that clause and their argument is that Dolphin uses Nintendo's cryptographic keys to do just that. They would have a decent chance of winning a case on that argument in a US court too.
>Steam has no games
>Has to rely on emulators so the Steam Deck has some value
AAAA FRICK NINTENDO GAMES THEY ARE FOR BABIES ARE ARE DUMB! WHICH IS WHY I WILL PLAY THEM ON MY PC VIA EMULATION!
Its like that gay macho jock who says he isnt gay or bi, yet he keeps sucking wiener.
who are you quoting
This is what happens when you idiots spoon-feed and brag instead of gatekeeping.
That's just the way people are now. They even have Twitter accounts and other social media promoting emulators and their ROMs of ALL of the companies. It's absolutely asinine how people now don't know how to shut the frick up or learn to use a search engine.
Nintendo Black folk are something else,
first them releasing a "stability" update for their dead ass 3ds and now this. the sheer cuckoldry these tendies will do for papa Nintendo is pathetic as frick
It'll probably be up later
Nintendo actually can't do anything about dolphin, and if they could it would have happened way earlier than the steam release.
I like Valve more than I like Nintendo.
I still want to play games from both, but one company provides a product that allows me to enjoy both.
That has nothing to do with what he said, you braindead troll.
Liking something doesn't automatically make it infallible. You need to spend some time away from your phone and computer.
>all that unironic nintendo dick riding
Jesus Christ.
They should do the bleed thing
What kind of fricking turbohomosexual needs Dolphin on Steam when it's been available for like a decade?
This is actually what I'm trying to figure out. Like, it takes less than 5 minutes for me to set it up and transfer all my roms onto my Steam Deck. Who needs it on the Steam store?
Also, aren't there a ton of other emulators on there already?
Nobody. It's fake Twitter outrage.
Lmao, Valve has x100 the money that Shitendo has, this shit is going nowhere
Nintendo has about 5x the money Valve has
Valve wouldn't spend a penny defending some free emulator.
But Nintendo doesn’t own Dolphin.
Dolphin circumvents GC/Wii protections and includes crypto keys. Nintendo could go after their github repo if they wanted, too.
lol
>Dolphin circumvents GC/Wii protections and includes crypto keys
?
>Dolphin circumvents GC/Wii protections and includes crypto key
"A-archeologists circumvent the ancient egyptian's tombs by entering the ruins of the pyramids"
Nintendo doesn't make money off of the Gamecube or the Wii, so what the flying frick does it matter?
cause it just fricking does because it does
t. moronic tendoid
Is this legal? Dolphin itself is neither illegal nor is it Nintendo's property, how can they prevent its release on a game store that itself is also not Nintendo's property?
Dolphin is in the right, no matter what nintrannies tell you.
Might makes right, dolphin is going to lose.
It isn’t Dolphin Nintendo is going after in this specific case bow is it?
They're going to lose by having their emulator banned from steam. Valve's not stepping in to defend them.
It is more complicated than that, basically they threat them to remove shit or else they can't taste any cakes from Nintendo consoles anymore. It isn't worth the dime to pursue shit, because even if they don't really see cakes from them interesting, but they might be in the future. It is also a frick you statement to Sony, and they will choose EGS over Steam because chances that any PS emulators can be released in Steam too like this anon said
It embeds Nintendo's property in itself.
https://github.com/dolphin-emu/dolphin/blob/86d760b8143989627bdff1be4474ce2fe59db8e9/Source/Core/Core/IOS/IOSC.cpp#L575
Plus they admitted to using leaked trade secrets in the past.
https://emucross.com/dolphin-developer-resurrects-incomplete-wii-ios-feature/
Follow the links and look through the repo he links
>These coded instructions, statements, and computer programs contain unpublished proprietary information of BroadOn Communications Corp., and are protected by Federal copyright law.
BroadOn is the company that did the backend stuff for the Wii.
>blablabla
Don't care, emulation is still legal.
Then why are the ROM sites taken down buddy?
ROM distribution is just piracy. ROM torrents don't get taken down.
However, pulling your own ROMs is not illegal. And actions against downloading ROMs is pretty much never punished. Only hosting them. Y'know, like any other pirated video game.
>Emulation is just piracy
Thanks for confirming 🙂
If you're gonna bait, at least be subtle.
It's not bait.
I don't give a frick what mental gymnastics you do. Emulation is piracy, full stop. Saying that the program itself is legal but the programs ran on it being illegal is all the proof I need.
Anon... don't bother with, it's either a troll or someone moronic enough, remember you're on Ganker
Because that's piracy
You can emulate pirated games, but emulating games you legally own is perfectly legal
>Nintendo
>Taking down piracy site
>Also Nintendo
>Selling ROMs from aforementioned piracy site with headers intact, effectively making them a hypocrite
I still kek at this. Nintendies are fricking stupid.
what do piracy sites have anything to do with emulator legality?
nintendo really isnt sending their best
or maybe they are idk
Notice how you had to say "ROM sites" and not "emulator sites."
If that is true Nintendo would have taken them down years ago
You are moronic
But enough about yourself.
Cope moron
What? They aren't like that at all. Nintendo is extremely protective of its intellectual property, they've taken down a shit ton of fan games.
Their policy has been "as long as you aren't moronic, then you are fine." Before, they were not moronic, but by putting it on Steam, they are moronic. Let's see how it will play out.
What's different between putting something on Git and Steam? Publicity? I can't think of anything else.
Reachability and trust certified.
Your average joe will trust anyshit in Steam than Git.
Yes, essentially. Putting it on Steam lowers the barrier to entry and puts more eyes on it. Normies generally only ever interact with emulation through official means (like the mini consoles). It's also the reason there are fricking Fitgirl repacks of Switch games bundled with a pre-configured emulator included. Most people see it as too much hassle or too complicated to set it all up themselves.
Because taking down fan games is easy. They have them bang to rights using Nintendo's IP, which would be trivial to sue someone for. Arguing against the legality of emulation itself would/will be a MUCH harder, longer and more expensive legal battle, and one with the potential to backfire on them if they don't win. Everybody's aware of the Bleem/VGS cases, but there's also tons of legal ground to argue beyond the scope of what was covered there. Up until this point companies like Nintendo have been content enough to let sleeping dogs lie and tolerate emulation as the still relatively niche thing it's been. Clearly it being advertised on a (rival) service as huge as Steam, in a manner which also lowers the bar to entry, is where the line is drawn for them.
>Clearly it being advertised on a (rival) service as huge as Steam, in a manner which also lowers the bar to entry, is where the line is drawn for them.
Retroarch is already on steam and it emulates nintendo games.
RetroArch itself is a further layer of abstraction from just being an emulator, more difficult to use than standalone emulators anyway thanks to its fricking moronic UI and also not directly focused on emulating Nintendo games either. Not to mention that the Steam version has a limited selection of cores, with the only Nintendo ones being for older or handheld systems. Dolphin is a single-purpose piece of software focused on Nintendo and much easier to use. It's not hard to see why one is more likely to attract attention than the other. Doing this is also probably designed to scare off projects like Cemu, Ryujinx or Yuzu from ever attempting to launch on Steam. I have no doubt that Nintendo seethes much more about the latter two especially than anything else.
>n-no that doesn't count because I say so
Nice mental gymnastics, but your logic is still moronic
I accept your concession.
Nice cope
See:
See
>I am moron
>NNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO NOW I CAN'T GET STEAM ACHIEVEMENTS ON MY PIRATED COPY OF BING BING WAHOO
They cant really stop it, because people will install the shit anyways, it just wont be in an officially supported way.
isnt dolphin on retroarch?
Call the cops, I don't give a frick.
It was obvious it was going to happen
>That's like asking why doesn't Nintendo legitimize piracy. It doesn't make any business sense. It's that simple and not open to debate.
>"It's not open to debate!"
RetroArch has been on steam for over a decade, why are they lashing out on Dolphin now?
100% they put any game screenshots in their page.
They're all homebrew
https://steamdb.info/app/1941680/history/
Did the dolphin store page use any copyrighted game screenshots?
I rechecked an archived copy, screenshots mostly seemed to be homebrew, only one image had the wii pointer cursor, but everything else seems clean
Because they got cucked on totk and are flailing around in blind rage about it.
They are probably grasping at straws for some moronic shit, like the Steam Achivements aprils fools pick that included Link.
>Block your path.
Go ahead, Gordon. Slot the Dolphin into the Steam port.
This just proves to me that the deck makes nintendo and tendies seethe, which makes me all the more happy i bought it.
TOTK being playable on PC and Deck weeks before the Switch retail version has utterly mind broken Tendies to a level I've never seen before.
Only for the game to sell ridiculous numbers, like wow who could have seen that coming.
yeah exactly. Steamies get their emulated game running at a decent playability, tendies still get their slop fed to them and it shatters records everywhere. Everyone wins. I dont see the issue. Except Nintendo fricking seething about it lmao
Other away around famm, it's the Steam Deck trannies who can't stop thinking about Nintendo. You can't even have a steam deck general on Ganker hit post limit unless the thread is about Nintendo.
>Only for the game to sell ridiculous numbers
This is probably the biggest ass fricking this board has ever gotten.
>You can't even have a Steam Deck general on Ganker hit post limit unless the thread is about Nintendo.
It's almost like Nintendies get mad when they're compared to anything else.
Oh no, I gotta google dolphin emulator now instead of using steam… frick Nintendo either way right? I mean right? Let’s just steal and promote stealing. What are we Black folk
people need to stop treating nintendo like they're anything other than trash. absolutely terrible company, the games are cool sometimes tho.
why would anyone try to release an emulator on steam. this is moronic.
>why would anyone try to release an emulator on steam.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1118310/RetroArch/
Because it's strictly legal.
Sony and its army of lawyers lost, yet you expect Nintendo to do better?
If anything sony would do it worse, I don't know what makes you think the opposite
This isn't legally valid complaint, wtf?
You don't actually need any cause or legal grounding to fire off a DMCA. Copyright law is intensely in favor of the IP holder courtesy of Disney.
can you Black folk shut up about dunking on tendies for five minutes
you are exhausting to read through and you pop up like roaches, scuttle under the fricking fridge when i turn the lights on like a roach at least
>waaaaaah waaaaaaaah
no
>waaaaaah waaaaaaaah tendies
jej
Mute the thread Tendie.
Lol the seething is happening so fast, people haven’t realized that the Dolphin devs fricked up by including the Wii’s copywrited encryption key in the Dolphin Emulator instead of it being separate that the user needs to provide like in Retroarch or other emulators. AKA Nintendo does have factual legal grounds for the case against Dolphin and could cause serious damage to the emulation community now.
Download Dolphin before its too late Gankerbros
You don't need to provide any encryption keys for Retroarch
Certain cores need a BIOS but not even all of them do
This sounds tendie bullshit
Your delusion doesn’t change the facts lol Dolphin’s program includes Nintendo’s copywrited material with the key being embedded into the program to authorize and decrypt roms, which is what they DCMA’d Dolphin for. None of the other emulators have these keys built into these programs which is where Dolphin fricked up. Putting the program in that state on a storefront just gave the emulator Nintendo’s attention to strike it off the internet, so I’m serious if you like to emulate download it now while it’s still up
Yeah sure, keep up with your schizo ramblings
I'm sure they just remembered that after Dolphin existed for 19 years and it ill go down tomorrow lmao
>copywrite
moron. you can't copyright a key, it's not a creative work. the DMCA applies because using someone's key without permission is circumvention. however, this alone does not constitute a violation if it was done for the purpose of interoperability, which is the case for an emulator. if there is no other way to enable software to run in an emulator, then circumvention is necessary to achieve that function.
none of this really matters though, because nintendo would issue a takedown regardless of whether they had a legitimate case to do so, and specifically they want to pressure valve into banning emulators outright so they don't need to present a legitimate argument in court.
It may be necessary, but it’s still nintendo’s property when their employees they paid created that encryption key and someone else using it “just because it’s necessary for the emulator to work!” Isn’t going to change that someone else is using Nintendo’s property without their permission and that isn’t permissible in a court of law lmfao
The court of law as already ruled that as fair use in the past in the Sega v. Accolade suit and recently in the Apple v. Corellium. That type of bypassing can be considered "fair use".
Ah shoot, it is a reasonable argument. So, putting it on Steam just made them known by Nintendo.
The way I see it now, everyone goes full "if it is true, then why don't they pursue it years ago?" argument.
So, apparently you can't even win with people like this.
Because if Nintendo could shut it down, they absolutely would've shut it down ages ago. These emulators are on Nintendo's radar the moment of their inception, being on Valve is just a threat of greater exposure and accessibility and DMCA's are free and easy to throw around regardless of whether you have a case or not.
emulator devs playing 4D chess
A couple of corrections:
- The fact that the emulator contains a decryption key does not mean that they are infringing Nintendo's copyright over that key. It could have been legitimately reverse engineered. That said, regardless of how the key was obtained, it is a violation of the DMCA to provide the decryption service.
- This won't be a death blow for the emulator. They will have to strip out the decryption service and require the software to be decrypted ahead of time. Then the emulator itself will be in the clear, and inevitably the decryption tool will be easy to find on any ROM piracy site (basically the same situation as needing firmware for certain emulators).
>It could have been legitimately reverse engineered
In this case it was, 15 years ago.
Also, over time, pre-decrypted software will pop up on these ROM piracy sites. It's really a nothingburger, I'm actually quite surprised they went this long without getting caught.
>it is a violation of the illegally issued DMCA to provide the decryption service.
lmao who cares
By DMCA I mean the actual Digital Millennium Copyright Act. The law. "DMCA" is often used colloquially to mean "DMCA takedown notice".
In this case, because the emulator is violating the part of the DMCA law that says providing software designed to circumvent copy protection is illegal, and Dolphin currently does this, the DMCA takedown notice is actually perfectly legitimate.
So Dolphin lets you dump decrypted ROMs?
I don't know if it lets you save the decrypted content for later, but it does decrypt the software on the fly. That's enough for it to be in violation.
>don't know if it lets you save the decrypted content for later,
Then it's not in violation
>No person shall circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title
>to "circumvent a technological measure" means to descramble a scrambled work, to decrypt an encrypted work, or otherwise to avoid, bypass, remove, deactivate, or impair a technological measure, without the authority of the copyright owner
Irrelevant.
It's not doing any of those things. It's just accurately emulating Wii software. It would only be circumventing it if it allowed you to make and distribute copies of the games.
You are imagining this. There is no special case in the DMCA for "accurately emulating software". If the software has to be decrypted first, then that's a problem. The emulator will have to be made slightly less accurate by requiring software to be decrypted ahead of time.
Then with that logic any program which reads any software or copy protected media in any capacity is a violation of the DMCA, including things like VLC. Wii games' copy protection isn't meant to stop a Wii from reading the disk, it's meant to stop the disk from being copied.
>Wii games' copy protection isn't meant to stop a Wii from reading the disk, it's meant to stop the disk from being copied.
Well, there are really two kinds of copy protection at play here. There's encryption, which is really meant to stop bootleg consoles (or, indeed, emulators, which are sort of the same thing really). Encrypting the game does nothing if you can just burn the game to another disc and have it work on the actual console because the decryption key is the same. That's where region codes written outside of the normal area of the disc come in. They make it require specialized or modified equipment to produce bootleg copies. But those are irrelevant to emulation.
I don't think it's at all clear that emulation would be considered interoperability or that there is any court precedent. It probably SHOULD be, but if Nintendo doesn't think it is then they could probably win on that issue.
yes, interoperability is a general case for DMCA exemptions, no special case is required for emulation. everything else you said is made up bullshit.
>No person shall manufacture, import, offer to the public, provide, or otherwise traffic in any technology, product, service, device, component, or part thereof, that— (A) is primarily designed or produced for the purpose of circumventing a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title; (B) has only limited commercially significant purpose or use other than to circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title
Because I just know that you're going to say that it's on the user, not the developers. The part of Dolphin that does this is utterly in violation of the DMCA. They will have to remove it.
>Steam heavily promotes shit like playing Windows games on Linux
>people are surprised people think Steam will also back playing Nintendog games on a PC OS
pirates be like:
>yo here are 10000 free movies
pirates also be like:
pic related
dolphin is older than the wii
why do they care now
WHERE ARE ALL OF YOU FRICKING CONSOLE WARRIORS COMING FROM
HURR TENDIES
HURR STEAM DECK, TENDIES AFRAID
HURR STEAM NINTENDO RIVALRY
WHY DID YOUR MOTHERS DRINK WHILE THEY WERE PREGNANT
This is just what happens when the "PC can do anything lol" fanbase has to share a room with the "Nintendo can do no wrong" fanbase
Nintensisters how can we stop them?
even snoys have no issue with pc ports but nintendo manchildren are mad in rage when people play emulated games instead of paying israelitetendo $60 for a ROM
why are nintendo fans like this? what causes it? low T?
Armchair lawyer thread
>activision goes on C&D spree
>nintendo fricking around again
>all the fun shit being taken away so people will HAVE TO CONSUME switch online and COD:MW2 for lil timmies
but it was already on steam via retroarch.
The Dolphin core isn't available for RA on Steam. You have to sideload it.
yeah but it was still available and the community hub had a guide on how to do it.
thats public enough.
besides. there is legal and technological presedent for emulators being legal.
im not just talking about the bleem court case with sony but a lot of companies rely on emulation in modern hardware. the realtek sound chip on pretty much every motherboard emulats a few old yamaha chips to get the sound right.
its foolish on nintendos part to dmca. they should have privately contacted valve and asked them to take it down isntead of going to war. chances are valve would have done it just to be nice.
They haven't "gone to war". Filing a DMCA complaint is the correct, legal way to go about this. I'm really not sure why some of you seem to think this is Valve vs Nintendo in any way. Nintendo aren't attacking Valve. They're asking them to process a standard request. It would have been much WORSE for Valve to simply quietly take down Dolphin, as then they'd be the ones catching shit for it. As it is, they're not involved at all. They have zero choice about whether to comply with a DMCA request, and if anyone complains they can direct them to Ninetendo, because they filed it. Valve has no skin in the game at this point. The Dolphin team will either fight it or not and the world will keep turning.
falsly issueing a dmca claim is not the corret way to go about it.
this was also solved a few years ago where nintendo was in a similar courtcase where a precedent was set that as long as nintendo is not actually selling games on pc any software that emulates their systems and does not contain copyrighted material by nintendo is fair game. that was a huge blow to nintendo and im surprised you dismissed or maybe didnt know about it cause it was all over Ganker for weeks.
the anti-emualtor sentiment by nintendo fans started shortly after. might be a coincidence... or not.
Given that Nintendo hired private investigators to stalk people who "threaten" their business who aren't giant corps themselves I'm fairly certain that it may just be a giant shill army. Who knows. If the Russians can do it, so can anyone else.
>law says you can do x
>"hey did you know the law says you can do x"
>that's just you opinion man
lol
what a dumbfrick
glad to know you never had an argument to begin with and were just another tendie shill troll homosexual
Too scared to quote reply?
Protip. The law doesn't matter and neither does your opinion. All that matters is what a Jury and the various layers of old boomers think is the law.
Good thing they look precedent, like how Nintendo and Sony have both been ass reamed in the courts over this shit before.
Nintendo did the right thing, Dolphin in stealing all the potential sales from Nintendo's Wii and GC games on Switch. All 5 of them.
I swear emulator trannies are like the vegans of vidya, always telling people they're trannies who emulate games just like vegans always tell everyone they're vegans.
>go into a thread about emulation
>get mad
If I focus on specific applications of a law I can ignore the rest! I am smart.
You can’t DMCA an emulator homosexuals. You lost this case in the 90’s. You really want to frick with a company with a israeli leader that is 20 times your worth?
>You can’t DMCA an emulator homosexuals.
That's technically not what they're doing. They're DMCA'ing the store page for the emulator.
Dolphin will continue to exist and function as it has been for years now, it just may or may not be available on and integrated with steam.
>You can’t DMCA an emulator homosexuals. You lost this case in the 90’s.
Bleem won because they weren't using any proprietary keys or code.
Sadly, that's not the case with Dolphin.
https://github.com/dolphin-emu/dolphin/blob/master/Source/Core/Core/IOS/IOSC.cpp#L556
So how long is it gonna be until companies try to get any form of emulation rebranded as illegal and which company is gonna get the ball rolling first?
They've already tried (and failed) and they will probably keep failing.
There's already a legal precedent that makes emulation legal. They aren't going to do shit
To outlaw emulation you'd basically have to also outlaw Virtualization, Compatibility Layers and pretty much every kind of software interoptability imaginable. No goverments is crazy enough to do that and big tech would fight to keep it.
Even in the console space you'd kill any kind of game collections that don't match the console vendor, like Megaman games on PS5 and Xbox. They'd rather just be passive aggressive about it.
Now I want to see PCSX2 announce a Steam launch.
Sony couldn't be that stupid, right?
>Hate Nintendo
>But also hate Valve
Hopefully they'll kill each other.
STOP
STEALING
GAMES
STOP
SUCKING
wienerS
>Stealing abandonware
Lol.
Lmao even.
>They're not selling it so I can steal it
No lol. Seethe
make me
piracy shouldnt be promoted and bragged about.
keep it to yourself. enjoy your free games.
It isn’t piracy you stupid Black person
In this case, it is.
Apparently, Nintendo "just" realized that Dolphin includes Nintendo's crypto keys to circumvent CG/Wii protections
It circumvents it, still completely original and nothing the nips can do about. Stop simping for companies that want to enslave you.
They literally copy the original crypto keys tho
didnt ask.
>Tendies this
>Snoys that
All according to plan. Now we don't have to make 60+ fps games for another decade or two!
i will never forgive nintendo for killing the virtual console.
But you weren’t giving them money to begin with?
Literal nothingburger story
Just download it from their website
OR use emudeck to set it up on your 'eck
>The DCMA letter sent to Valve cites the anti-circumvention language of the DMCA and specifically claims that "the Dolphin emulator operates by incorporating these cryptographic keys without Nintendo’s authorization and decrypting the ROMs at or immediately before runtime. Thus, use of the Dolphin emulator unlawfully 'circumvent[s] a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under' the Copyright Act."
Their dumbass legal team confused Dolphin with the recently taken down RCM stuff that actually was infringing.
See
Oh, that's unfortunate. They'll have to remove decryption and require software to be decrypted externally, then.
Yeah, as much as I hate Nintendo for hating emulation scene. It's something that bounds to happen. Still, frick Nintendo tho
>NOOO YOU CAN'T CIRCUMVENT MY DRM! YOU NEED TO PAY ME AGAIN FOR GAMES YOU ALREADY BOUGHT! HELP! THIEF! @FBI!
You can't even do that, that's the funny part.
Want to play some shit obscure 20 year old Pokemon game? Just paypig someone 3 figures on eBay lmao
I haven't had any problem pirating their shit ever since they went full cancer with the switch. And by pirate I mostly mean just getting my games that I've already bought back and not having them languish on dead outdated systems. Frick em and frick their bootlickers twice as hard.
and its gone. I wanted to see the outrage threads in the hub.
If the guys didn't use any of Nintendo's intellectual property then that would be fraudulent DMCA and I don't think serious corporations would do that.
Anon, Nintendo tried to kill blockbuster and all rentals in the courts and lost hard because they didn’t like or understand American consumer protections, they will hammer this drum until their wallet is hit by Fat Man and Little Boy.
funny, they actually did kill renting in japan. America skirted by because at one point we weren't ruled by money hungry corporations.
I know, and they have been mad about it ever since. Just like how they lie about emulation. Theses uppity japs need to be reminded again.
All me btw
EVEN VALVE BOWS DOWN TO NINTENDO!
Wait... someone tried to put an emulator on the actual Steam store? Is that what I'm getting at here?
Who the frick thought that was legal?
the moron who tried to put it up on steam, apparently.
It is legal though, and it should be fine if the dev is not moronic to put copyright material from Nintendo.
shut the frick up moron
The only thing I hate more than people who send out fake DMCAs are people that don't fight fake DMCAs and enable the people to send out more fake DMCAs.
Valve doesn't think it worth going to court to defend a emulation program.
Then they're complicit and deserve to be called out.
total ninteBlack person death
>total ninteBlack person death
total ninteBlack person death
>total ninteBlack person death
total ninteBlack person death
>total ninteBlack person death
Just kill CEOs. Dronestrike company buildings. If they flee to a different country then send assassins after them.
This is another reason why I'll never give israelitetendo a single red cent.
>I GO TO YUZU
Just shoot Shuntaro Furukawa in the head. Kill Shuntaro Furukawa, it's that simple.
In Minecraft.
Nintendo's top yakuza are coming for you, teme
In this occasion it serves them right, these devs are getting too wienery doing releases on official platforms, what else did they expect? What happened to using common sense by keeping a low profile? These gays believe they're ecelebs or something.
Emulation itself IS legal though.
>What happened to using common sense by keeping a low profile?
common sense has been absent from the global consciousness for about 15 years now. coinciding with the release of smart phones
>List some ways.
sure, i take cash, paypal, and bitcoin
Emulation is perfectly legal. They shouldn't have to keep a low profile. Nintendo is just being as israeli and petty as possible as usual.
homosexual
Nintendo will never give you that reach around you're begging for.
>Emulation is perfectly legal
This is going to end up as a FAFO case when those rulings from over two decades ago aren't quite as cast iron as some people seem to believe they are.
They're welcome to waste a shitload of money trying to shut it down. I'd like to see them try. If Nintendo though they'd have any chance of appealing their loss they'd be in a never ending legal battle over it.
Who would you guess will run out of money first in a legal battle between Nintendo and the Dolphin team? The American court system is heavily slanted in favor of the rich. You really haven't thought it through if you actually WANT the legality of emulation to be tested again. Not poking the bear was working just fine. Stop trying to serve moronic normalgays via Steam. That's literally the only thing that needs to happen.
You say that, but if Nintendo thought they'd have any chance of winning they'd have done it already against anyone making their emulators available, whether they're on steam or not. They haven't, because they know they'd lose.
Because they have lost multiple times before.
anon i don't know if you've noticed, but it is irrelevant to them whether or not they win or lose. they are going to sue the frick out of whoever dares to defy their mandate of heaven.
they will frick over some mudhut dwelling Black person if it means they never lose any footing on the games they hoard. which is still a laughable dogma because again people will emulate regardless.
>they are going to sue the frick out of whoever dares to defy their mandate of heaven
But they haven't been.
>if it means they never lose any footing on the games they hoard
That's the thing, they don't because they've already lost that footing. The most they'll go after now are ROM sites which is literal piracy.
>Emulation is perfectly legal
that's cool, now lets see you continue to contest that in court against a mutlibillon dollar megacorp that can and will frick you in the ass with legal fees for even thinking about them in a negative light
Good thing it is Valve they are running after.
>VORUVO, TAKU DOWNO DISSU EMURATOR
>okay
and so ends that fight. meanwhile emulation continues like normal
>What's preventing Nintendo from doing that already?
you're implying they haven't done that already
They won’t. Nintendo can set and spin as the emulator is perfectly legal for Valve to host.
You literally don't know what you're talking about. Valve simply delivers the DMCA notice and removes the content. It's not up to them to fight it. The Dolphin devs are the ones who have to decide whether to file a counter-claim or not, at which point Nintendo can either back down or sue. Valve has no further involvement in the process.
i eagerly await an edit of the artifact copypasta for the dolphin emulator. it is going to be so god damn funny.
What's preventing Nintendo from doing that already? And they DMCA'd Valve, who's more than capable of lawyering up and the law is on their side.
same tendie post not increasing poster count
how long are you gonna keep this up
>im just going to pretend to be a new poster that didnt read the thread and doesnt know the law and side with nintendo
stop typing abdul
based, frick poorgay
>it's morally right to pirate nintendo game
have a nice day
>it's legal bro
we all know you Black folk aren't dumping your own legally bought copies of whatever bing bing game
>i'm just pretending to be a corporate wienersucker, see? that makes it okay and not pathetic cuz its heckin ironic!
You're not even pretending to be moronic, you ARE retared, i suggest learning to tie a noose and killing yourself, it might take you some time but i believe in you
Why can’t you just be honest? Asmongold said it best, if you are going to steal just steal with a smile on your face and own up. What is this faux moral quandry when ‘gib free gaem’ is the entire argument. Nothing is going to change from this anyway
There's nothing wrong with protecting your IP from pirategays. Nintendo is in the right here.
Ganker continues to be the only board on Ganker that will bootlick corpos just to own the chuds
this thread is so gay I'm about to go download a bunch of nintendo emulators and roms for games that I totally own
I had a small selection but I think it needs to be way bigger
>about to
>not already having
I just didn't care enough to download games that I'd never play like n64 stuff, gamecube roms are my main thing
good keep your emulation under the radar and away from stores. fricking idiots.
>Blaming Dolphin rather than Retroarch for being the honeypot
Low IQs
silence, MAMEdev.
He was right.
>Claims to hate a company
>Will do anything in his power to consume their product anyway.
If pirates weren't such obnoxious pieces of shit I wouldn't care, but nobody, not music pirates, not movie or television pirates, none are more annoying sacks of shit than videogame pirates, so frick all you trash, more power to Nintendo
Can someone explain the moral wrongdoing of pirating a game that you can't legally buy anymore? Or hell, downloading a rom of a game you already bought, and still own the case of?
I’ve broken it down as simple as possible. All you did was lol no. We know you are just trying to slide the thread and collect (You)’s. Well I’m denying you both homosexual. Nintendo going after Valve is suicidal.
Nintendo isn't going after Valve. When infringing material is hosted on a platform, the DMCA notice is generally sent to whoever runs the platform even if they don't own that material. This is done because they are more likely to take action. Actually, Valve has total immunity from this - that's something that is outlined in the DMCA. As long as you as a platform host are open to receiving and acting on DMCA takedowns, you won't be held liable for infringing material that other people upload to your platform.
May you get caught 🙂
Leave, the billion dollar company alone
>paying for an emulator
You are just as bad as they are, you cuckold.
I guess the reton five is cuckoldry too?
>Old emulation gays
>Work in silence
>Throw out updates every now and then
>Basically tell people to look around for bios because they aren't gonna bother helping. Do it yourself
>Nu emulation gays
>Patreons
>Going moronicy bold
>Incite people to go after them
>all these butthurt tendies
i honestly don't know who is the bigger corporate wiener smoker, tendies or snoys
SNOY hands down. They were voted worst fanbase on Ganker and several other sites multiple times, multiple years.
snoytendies
Me saying that Nintendo is fully within their rights in this case is not being a tendie. I know that emulation itself is legal, which is why it's bad when an emulator does illegal things on the side. It makes it much easier for the average person to say that emulation is bad and should be illegal by itself.
I can understand tiktok of the kingdom as pigslop as it is, but Pokémon.
Dude I don’t even have to mention another example from the tendies side and I can’t think of a single example from PlayStations side that could compete.
snoys sure as annoying but it's mostly console wars and they aren't bootlickers like nintendies are
even snoys laughed at how dumb the ps5 controller glued to tablet wii u streaming thing is
nintendies on the other hand will eat up anything nintendo releases
I mean, Nintendo sold them literal fricking cardboard!
>muh emulation is legal
>gets DMCA'd
I guess it's not so legal is it?
>literally ok when nintendo does it
that's right, take that wiener, deep in your ass
At least Nintendo is so consistent that they took down their own roms and emulators and made sure that all the ones people bought weren't able to be played on the Switch. So they could then rerelease them slowly and charge a subscription for them.
DMCAs don't mean anything its literally just a legal scare tactic
This but pirating and illegality
Been seeding tears of the tendies since (pre)launch.
Dolphin knows they are using stolen keys they won’t push back. Nintendo didn’t gave a shit about 5000 people emulating in the corner of the internet but they had to paint a target on themselves with a Steam release
Sega is so more calm about emulators. They actually hired sonic romhackers to work on Sonic Mania. Nintendo is literally the opposite, yet this falls under fair use, because we dont sell our fan games, they're free. This just shows how dogshit of a company Nintendo is to their fans.
sega is a gutter rat compared to nintendo and i mean that as nicely as i can
Yes, take that Nintendo dildo deeper
i am not wrong and you know it, homie. sega needs as much good will as they can get while nintendo can shit in the mouths of actual infants and still receive praise
Sega leadership is incompetent, but have always been more open with their autists. Nintendo knows they have their fans by the balls and can lead them any which way they can.
that's exactly my point, homie. nintendo doesn't shit a frick because it doesn't need to. meanwhile sega has to shit a frick or they incur the wrath of a thousand chris chans
to quite literally any other company it would be. but nintendo somehow has millions of cultists superglued to their sides and back to shield them from any and all backlash that would occur from shitting in the mouths of infants
I don’t think I’m getting this, isn’t that a bad thing?
Sega has always been based and Nintendo has always been scum. No real surprises there.
let me know when something actually happens because unless Nintendo decides on just going after every Dolphin facet outright i don't think anything is going to actually happen. It's still around on the site and a bunch of off hand 3rd person sites, it's on github i think, there's the retroarch core which is either there or not depending on the version and it still can be added through shortcuts
OP and that story about the guy getting his wages garnished by nintendo for the rest of his life are fake
nice trips but i know both of those happened. I just want to know if thats what might happen to the Dolphin devs or not. Depends
the articles happened but the events in them did not
Those morons. They got away with using nintendo material for literally over a decade and no have to make their emulation worse because of them pulling and Icarus and fly to the sun.
I fricking hate modern emulation devs
>They got away with using nintendo material for literally over a decade
They aren't you moron
They literally did you moron. That's why this DMCA actually has some weight behind it
Post proof or shut the frick up Black person
it is always morally correct to pirate nintendo games
gaming would heal within 5 years if nintendo just disappeared tomorrow