This game has the best action gameplay of any game I have played. I tried playing Elden Ring afterwards, and it's just too slow and boring. I don't give a frick about story, or lore, but with Nioh 2 I enjoyed the fast paced and creative action .
Bloodborne was also great, but what what does Ganker normally do when 1 game sets the bar really high?
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The NG games are supposedly 'good' for that too
Personally I find nothing really compares to it
It's mainly the fact you can control the fight that matters to me and so far, outside of Nioh, no game does it
I tried to play Nioh 2 but couldn't get into it. The minotaur oni thing at the beginning kept raping me.
Tried to learn its patterns but I just gave up. Honestly one of my least favorite parts of the "souls-like" games is the constant dodge abuse, minimal damage, and grinding+memorizing same enemies over and over again.
Character creation is fun tho.
stop making shadowheart threads moron
It isn't a soulslike
In fact, soulslike isn't a genre. It's a fricking difficult setting where the idea is the AI has hitboxes that don't match the attacks, can warp through the envionment, attack through it also and has infinite stamina
Nioh is an action game
It's Nioh 1.5 so yes sincei t has less tediousness
Okay, fair fair.
It's just my friend who likes souls games shilled it to me. Told me to how to play the game the right way etc.
Still Nioh 2 gave me same vibes as DS1&DS2 with the design. Frickton of trial-error bosses, dodge-spam, and sponge enemies. Not saying I should be able to beat everything on my first try, but when enemies kill me in just few hits while I have to hit them like 50 times, it's painful
Nioh 2 is pretty much 'you win' after the second mission (the forge one)
Between two sources of healing magic, the life drain magic and being abl to summon AI companions, you literally cannot fricking lose.
The bosses aren't trial and error outside of two bosses which are giant fricking monsters and ignore the mechanics of the game
Your goal in Nioh 2 is to reduce ki for the enemy so you can get a grapple
If it's an enemy, use your yokai abiities to reduce maxium ki and slap on purity weapon magic and you should be ok]Learn how to ki pulse and flux too, practice in the dojo
Barrier talisman is OP as frick
This tbh, I just learned one combo and used that + the slow spell to beat every boss in the game. Game became boringly easy until the DLC, I don't get how anyone struggles after the start.
>I don't get how anyone struggles after the start.
Maybe because they aren't min/maxers who found some boring way to play the game and played the whole thing like that, while complaining that it was boring.
>learning how to ki pulse is minmaxing
I feel sorry for your existence
Your friend needs to kill himself
I am just bad at this kind of games and just can't get into them. I could try and get better, but if I don't enjoy them then what's the point? Not saying they are bad, but they just simply ain't for me
My friend said I should beat it to get proper feel for the game. So it kinda is optional, but I don't want to play the game wrong way.
Ah
I don't read guides on games, but my friend said it's like same thing as with Souls-games. I want to properly beat a game on my first run rather than accidentally cheese and cheat it. Like using shields or magic, and leveling HP in DS1. I heard ER had same problem with people accidentally cheesing it with some mimic magic thing.
So my friend who is pro at souls games told me how to play the correct way and what stuff to avoid so I don't ruin it for myself.
Anyway, won't be spamming the thread more nor make excuses for being shitty at a videogame.
I hope you all have fun Nioh 2 times, take care
Your friend is kind of an ass. You'll get a much, much better feel for the game actually progressing and unlocking the remaining move set and features. There is tons of character customization that plays a huge part in what makes the game good. Limping along with a neutered move set to beat one boss because your friend told you to is anti-fun at its best.
What the frick is wrong with your friend? There is no wrong way to play a single player game.
you're a fricking idiot and so is your friend, learn to think for yourself
If you have a history of being bad with these games I don't get why your friend is being like that and forcing you to play in only the one way he enjoys
>It's a fricking difficult setting where the idea is the AI has hitboxes that don't match the attacks, can warp through the envionment, attack through it also and has infinite stamina
??? lol no not even close. The big part of "soulslike" gameplay is that neither enemy nor player attacks snap to their target, attacks have a fixed distance and duration. When action games moved to 3d they pretty much all started using animation snapping, they STILL do this (see Assassins Creed for example) and it's horrible
there are a lot of other similarities that warrant the "soulslike" label
>reusable hp potion that you can upgrade which you slow down while using
>checkpoints that refresh resources, you can spend exp here
>leveling up a stat point levels up your character
>random enemies can kill you if you make one small mistake
>levels are interconnected with shortcuts built in
>death requires you to return to corpse to get resources back
no idea why these sorts of new subgenre terms make autistic people so uncomfortable
>reusable hp potion that you can upgrade which you slow down while using
>levels are interconnected with shortcuts built in
Demon's Souls has neither of these and it created the genre.
zoomies genuinely don't know about the pre-HD world
>In fact, soulslike isn't a genre. It's a fricking difficult setting where the idea is the AI has hitboxes that don't match the attacks, can warp through the envionment, attack through it also and has infinite stamina
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>minimal damage
lol
Anon was clearly new to the game. It's not hard to see why they had trouble. To be honest, it is a tough fight when you first start off without knowing about things work.
I'm too lazy to memorize the patterns and something like that being first enemy is painful. In that clip the dood stuns the guy somehow but I didn't manage to do that even once.
Anyway, not my type of vidya, I guess I can't get into souls or action-rpg stuff.
Ah
My friend said that companions were as broken as summoning in DS1&2, and that talisman is as busted as shields. Wasn't supposed to use either + some other stuff but I don't have the list anymore for how to play it the correct way.
That is also my one problem with this kind of games, the fact how broken they are and that you can accidentally cheat. Happened to me with DS1 and shields.
Holy shit, your 'friend' is moronic
Nioh is fundementally the pinnacle of these types of games just because you can 'cheat' to make it as easy or as hard as you want
You can stick with a fricking level 1 weapon and beat it. You can literally just have a non-stop healing build and beat it. You can always, always go back to replay missions
Might as well. Nioh 1, while having the better story, has a few shortcomings such as level design or mission bosses being a bit shit sometimes
>didn't learn to beat the game at level 1 with level 1 weapons
skill issue ^__^
The level design is worse in 2.
NG is braindead. Your point?
If that is the literal monster you were stuck on, you are supposed to just run past it. It's optional.
you seem to be making alot of excuses for why you cant just fricking play a game and it doesnt seem to be a problem with the game at all but your inability to abstain from looking up 400 different guides telling you what not to do.
all of the reputable guides tell you nothing matters til NG+ anyway so youre doubly flimsy for not just busting through it with whatever you want. i had a problem with Sekiro because i couldnt concentrate long enough to put a meaningful amount of attempts in before getting mentally drained but i didnt blame the game or make up excuses for my failingsi just dropped the game then came back a year later and got all the way to end when i felt better.
>oh this is broken, thats broken, i dont want to break the game cos my friend said xyz
play the game or dont play it, you dont need to provide caveats
>patterns
>patterns
>patterns
No. At worst you need to learn their most dangerous attack, or 2, but usually all you need is reflexes and planning.
You can definitely just learn attacks. That's what I did since my reflexes aren't that good.
there's no "memorizing patterns", that's bullshit people say to make it sound more technical and hardcore than it actually is
if you see it swing you dodge, it's not that hard
I'd say Stranger of Paradise did a pretty good job of following the Nioh formula, though sadly it didn't keep my attention as long due to the difficulty scaling and crappy DLC. And we don't even need to talk about Wo Long. If Nioh 3 ever happens I want to say I can't imagine it living up. Mechanically I may go as far to say that Nioh 2 is a perfect game for the kind of game it is, Diablo loot and weapon balance mainly looking at hatchets aside.
I know there's a sort of pride some have but y'know it's completely optional right? It's intentionally a bit overpowered, though once you have the gameplay down I feel it's pretty easy due to how slow it is.
Pick the switchglaive if you want to play the game on easy mode.
I actually had the same experience. I loved Nioh 1, it was a ton of fun and I felt like I had a real grip on the systems by the end of it. It was a straightforwards action game with a little bit of optional complexity in the form of gear and magic/ability stacking and combat inputs.
But Nioh 2 for some reason, I turn it on and I'm a fricking drooling moron. I can go through the levels just fine, you hit enemies and mash buttons and they die. But I got to the big Horse Demon boss early on, and I just could not make any headway. I don't understand the cores system, I don't understand the demon form or demon counters, etc. And it feels like without literally all of those things, the bosses are just a complete wall.
I wanted to love it, I just was too dumb.
Also, I should point out, I don't mean THIS horse boss
I mean the one after it, that's in that shrine level, and in a big open arena.
The first few levels in Nioh 2 are way harder than any others until the DLC for some reason. The first Enki you fight is harder than most Nioh 1 bosses. Then it gets considerably easier.
Don't feel too bad. Nioh 1 eased you into the game way the frick better than 2 did. 2 assumes you came right out of 1 and are ready for the new yokai moves and dark realm bull shit straight out of the gate. The learning curve is a total b***h but once you get past the first few missions it eases up a bit.
Short version is ki management is more important than ever, and you really need to start using soul cores / yokai moves right away. When you are in the dark realm and your natural ki regen goes to shit all of your soul core moves are more effective - AND you recover ki while the animations play out. Hit enemies for anima, throw out a soul core move when your ki is low, continue with your newly recovered ki. Different guardian spirits have different conditions for generating more anima - they are very important early on because you can't really get those bonuses elsewhere for a while. It's a weird rhythm to adjust to but once you get it things feel much better.
>demon counters
hit da button when they glow red
that boss is totally optional and is way above your level at that point. it's similar to stuff like vanguard or asylum demon except you can skip him.
>constant dodge abuse
You're supposed to block in Nioh
That's Nioh 1. Nioh 2 is a dodging simulator.
The Mino at the start can be skipped, and you will fight it at the end.
>pick up the game after not playing it for like 2 years
>start a new character
>beat gozuki in one attempt
>almost die to the first enki
Gozuki's honestly kind of a pathetic punching bag, even when he starts showing up with other enemies he's a low priority target
I really liked Nioh 1 but got bored after the first ending (that mission with 30 Black folk you fight in succession with nobunaga and his gf at the end). It just slowly turned into a shitty battle simulator. Still poured a good 95 hours playtime.
Should I buy nioh 2?
>but what what does Ganker normally do when 1 game sets the bar really high?
I put 1500 hours into it.
700 here.
If I ever get bored, I switch weapons and builds. I really wish they would release some DLC, or even entertain the idea of a Nioh 3
2500 hours and counting, wo long dissapointed me
just play jack's game
Did they nerf the Chaos posting in the final release?
It's not the same at all and is far more shallow. And I hate parry-centric games.
it is the same but far more shallow*
Feature bloat
Why is wo long bad? I'm on mission 8 and it seems ok
I thought you were gonna talk about character creation. Genuinely still the best customizable character system, the only flaw is the titty slider is irresistible and I cant help but give huge ridiculous honkers to any girl I make.
Gameplay wise it's okay, not really one to enjoy combos in action games and I think the level design is far poorer than Fromsoft's. Also the story is so bad that it almost detracts more than it adds.
Nioh 2 and Stranger of Paradise do have THE best souls action for sure.
I'm just mad about the horrific progression in the game. Grinding out the same story missions over and over again? Really?
Nioh 1 and 2 have spoiled me too because I could care less for both Bloodborne or ER. Dont often see people that play great games then go back and play inferior ones as if their standards diminish over time.
Bloodborne >Elden Ring.
I hate open world shit, especially if the world is just unremarkable (All dark souls games). Bloodborne at least had the atmosphere and victorian/gothic aesthetic to remember areas well.
Also, Bloodborne just has better gameplay. Faster, more fuild, etc.
I've never understood why people fellate Bloodborne so much. It was fricking amazing for when it came out, especially coming off of Dark Souls 1 and 2, but step dodge and trick weapons weren't so amazing that they invalidate all the good shit about Dark Souls 3 or Elden Ring. Bloodborne bosses are also really fricking frontloaded, I can look forward to a bunch of fights in Elden Ring, but after Shadows of Yharnam, all I have to look forward to are Ebrietas and and then 3 of the DLC bosses + Gehrman.
Truth, Souls' biggest letdown was how shallow combat ends up being due to how limited your moveset is and how braindead mooks are, which makes anything that isn't a boss encounter really unremarkable. Bloodborne's trick weapons made for some nice flair and ability to combo through the ability to fluidly switch in and out of trick state during a chain, it's a little thing but it's already letting you show more personality.
Definitely agree on the open world aspect as well the "you can go ANYWHERE" factor is just something to wow you for five minutes until you realise it turns the game into having the actually good levels spread over a much larger area, connected by uninteresting padding. All the more of a shame when Dark Souls had already shown it could do nonlinear progression very well while retaining solid level design
That's moronic anon. I would have no problems going back to Bloodborne.
Hiddy
Should I just skip Nioh 1?
Yeah
If you value your time, yes. If not, no.
Yea.
meanwhile, me-
>does the laugh emote after the fact
BASED NPC
How did he not blow his hands off?
As weak as it is I liked the story in the first game more and you were able to do some really fun dumb shit like stack run speed to 80% or become fully immune to elemental and ranged attacks. Wasn't really a fan of how they rebalanced some things for 2, but once you get used to the upgraded move sets it is very hard to go back to 1.
>once you get used to the upgraded move sets it is very hard to go back to 1.
Do they add much to the returning weapons? I remember from the beta that there were some new moves
Nioh 1 is very good, but Nioh 2 is basically just an upgrade to it, in many ways. In other ways, it's mostly the same.
It's really good, and if you enjoy it nioh 2 is just more of nioh with different shit to do
It also makes the last act of the main story in 2 giga kino
Depends what you're after.
Nioh 2 has a dogshit story, but really good gameplay and also character customization, which you can also have in Nioh 1 but you need to unlock it first after a lengthy process and its limited. Because of all the soulsbabies who have complained that Nioh 1 isn't like dark souls at all, you are always 4 hits away from dying no matter what in Nioh 2. Nioh 2 also includes enemies and locations from Nioh 1, but unlike Nioh 1 it throws all enemies at your straight away.
Nioh 1 has a strong story with actual memorable characters and locations. Gameplaywise it's not a soulslike at all and more like diablo 2. Tough beginning but by the midgame your build becomes so strong that you're dunking on everything. Like it's absolutely batshit how strong you become, which does somewhat happen in Nioh 2 but you can't really tank any hits ever even with an auto purification build that gives you free defense bubbles. The downside is that unlike Nioh 2, Nioh 1 doesn't frontload the content and it keeps your first playthrough down to earth. You're only getting new enemies and new placements once you've finished the game and with each subsequent playthrough you're getting completely new enemies and placements. In Nioh 2, subsequent playthroughs only add buffs to enemies.
Personally I prefer the gameplay of Nioh 2 (minus the deliberate focus on turning it into a soulslike because of the hate Nioh 1 had gotten for it not being one) and due to character customization and with the amount of content. However the story was garbage, the characters are garbage and the endgame is lacking. You also don't feel like you are becoming quite as powerful even if the combos start clicking and even if you've got a good build. Nioh 1's story is just so good and William is just such a stoic character who literally rejects pussy for his gaelic tulpa, but it is an endgame heavy game because the first playthrough only has you see like 30% of the enemies.
>you are always 4 hits away from dying no matter what in Nioh 2.
you can face tank the final boss in Nioh 2 in light armor
enemies hit for way less damage compared to the first game
because the final boss does the least damage of any enemy in the final mission
>In Nioh 2, subsequent playthroughs only add buffs to enemies.
Not true, Dream of the Wise adds in dlc enemies
It changes again on dream of the nioh, when you start seeing DLC3 enemies everywhere
Like the yatsu no kami level replaces most of the nure-onnas with suikis, shit is horrifying
Yes
A lot of the Nioh 1 maps get reused in 2, not a lot happens in the story, and you are brought up to speed very quickly in 2. The combat is more restraining, since leveling up is slower. William sucks so much, he can't even purge Yokai pools while standing directly on top of them to start off. A lot of the basic moves take a bit too long to unlock, and you'll find that you're already finishing the game by the time it really flows. Most bosses are just human NPCs, and the others arent that amazing. Nor do they have their own missions for rematching them, unlike 2, even if you do end up liking them. The DLC has some kino bosses, but the base game is such a slog that it ends up not feeling worth it. And of course, the PC port is worse (especially if you play kb+m, completely viable for 2 but needs some Autohotkey binds for 1 to feel just as good). Playing the entirety of Nioh 1 was just making me think that i should've done a fresh playthrough of 2 instead.
yeah
It has the best combat out of any game that uses Diablo loot, sure.
>Best customization
>Best combat
>Shittiest fricking gacha system there is
>Enemies and bosses are shit.
>The levels are shit too.
It's like a monkey paw.
>Enemies and bosses are shit.
?
>gacha system
????
he read about a super good weapon and tried to grind it like a pleb so now apparently the traditional ARPG loot drop system is "Gacha"
The weapons don't really matter and what you're after is the stats that they give. Which again you have to farm for a billion hour just to get what you want.
There's multiple cheat tables for this game you know. I didn't waste a single second farming in this game.
>Enemies and bosses are shit.
>The levels are shit too.
These are great though
The first game is soul then they added a bunch of shit for no reason.
Nah. Monster hunters did it better. I actually felt like fighting a boss instead of dancing with it.
>I actually felt like fighting a boss instead of dancing with it.
Do you not see the guy who's battling the monster head on?
>combat over centuries describes poetically as a dance
>morons discover videogames, play Sekiro and Nioh 2 and criticise the rhythmic trading of blows as a negative
based artless c**ts
>A boss battle is now just a royal court dance between two homosexuals.
Action games are truly dead. Enjoy your sword waltz.
>so much of a moron he calls the entire dance shit because he looks like a spaz trying to catch the rhythm
its fine. theres a low level of of mental ability youve failed to reach to think Sword Waltz is anything but an overwhelmingingly positive term
Monster Hunter really isn't that good.
That's legitimately because you suck shit at MonHun, it's the series that becomes most like a dance when you know what you're
>anon got carted mid post
Do I have to git gud at 1 before jumping into 2?
The beginning Mezuki filtered me hard
1 is harder. A lot harder.
How so?
1 is shit. it has a bunch of annoying bosses that arent humanoid.
just play 2. it has more options so even if you get filtered there is a lot of shit you can do to overcome.
Why was wo long so fricking bad
inside job to dab on the chinks
It was made as a training project for their new hires. I'm not even joking. Their actual devs were and still are working on Rise of the Ronin.
You will play Nioh 1 and you will appreciate its Living Weapon mechanics!
I just kill bosses with 3-4 Flowing Shadows
I don't appreciate weapons bouncing off walls.
Levels are repetitive and it drags for too long, most enemies are annoying to fight where you either instantly rape them or they two shot you so the game simultaneously feels easy as shit and frustrating whenever you do die. Also 40% of your special abilities are actually fricking useless on non-human enemies which makes the combat very unsatisfying when you're fighting yokai for what feels like 8 out of every 10 encounters. Meh. It could have been good if it was 15-20 hours long and they spent more time refining the enemies and abilities instead of just churning level. Mid-oh 2.
I agree with all of this and I'm mad that these fricking clowns couldn't just remake ninja gaiden black but instead keep making shittier downgrades of it. There's wall running and level verticality in ninja gaiden black, whereas Nikon 2 is on a flat plane, it might as well be a fricking 2d game.
NGB doesn't need a remake, it's perfect as it is. Stop asking for the whoring out of good games for a quick buck
I need it on pc. I'm not playing it on the shitbox. The pc port is fricking garbage, it's the dumbed down PS3 sigma downgrade. I would even be happy with a proper running Xbox emulator that upscaled the game to 1080p and 60fps. Literally one of the greatest action games made, and I can say as a DMC 1 and 3 fan. I can't think of one action game that's beaten ninja gaiden black. I'm trying to rack my brain and think of one but I can't.
Wish this game doesn't have diablo loot system
Nice webm but that doesn't fix anything
>leaving motion blur on
Reminder that this is a terrible idea and that you can instantly dump everything you're carrying at the shrine or blacksmith every region which is functionally identical except you get profit from it for 5 seconds.
Also reminder that it's not actually diablo loot and people still let their assumptions blind them to what the game is and offers, but if I addressed every misleading post so far I'd be here after the thread died.
If it is any help, you can safely ignore White and Yellow gear, then sort by rarity after a mission and pick out the few blue and purples that directly improve your playstyle, then sell the rest. Like Diablo miniscule improvements only come into play in NG+ or the endless dungeon.
Then go play AC6 or literally any soulslike. Nioh is a diabolike hack'n'slay game.
>I don't give a frick about story, or lore
Yes we know, Niohbrains don't care about anything that actually makes Souls what it is and all you have left is your inferiority complex
Well FromSoftware hasn't cared about what made souls souls since DS2 so...
Scampuss
>AI art
Dumbfrick
2 has been on my backlog for a while, is the gear grind a diablo shitfest like 1?
You don't need to grind at all in New Game
Don't dodge the question.
Gain some critical thinking skills
Answer the question.
No you don't. After maybe 150 hours when you get to NG++++ and you want to do the turbo giga homie abyss endgame, yeah maybe you should grind for that. The other 150+ hours and literally the other content is 100% grindfree.
bro I'm at my 8th playthrough, and I'm honestly done, I've done anything that I wanted to do.
any hope for Nioh 3? thoughts on the Rise of Ronin?
worse. it has more gears than ever with the soul cores
I played Nioh 2 up past the horse area-boss. Tough fight but it wasn't too bad once I got used to the Yokai Trigger counter...
I didn't find it very fun. Game felt really repetitive, every area looked the same, the loot system was annoying me.
It's not really comparable but I prefer NG. Been replaying 3RE Trials as Kasumi and they're fun as frick.
I wish we'd get more of these balls-to-the-wall action games than Soulslikes
>I only played one level
>Why does every area look similar!?
I played Nioh 1 up to Umebozo, it was the same deal. Looking at gameplay from both games, even late game stuff, it's the same deal.
Don't try to act like you can't look shit ul in this day and age
Nioh isn't a Soulslike so I don't know why you brought that up
It'd be nice if we got the level design and combat of ninja gaiden, with the kind of customization and progression of nioh. But I don't think TN is capable of the kind of tight combat that ninja gaiden excelled at.
Vanquish
Furi
Ninja Gaiden
>Been replaying 3RE Trials as Kasumi and they're fun as frick.
To be honest I didn't like any of the playable girls in the NG remasters
Except Momiji because she is very hot and naginatas are cool
Momiji is probably the least fun, even though she's my fav. For me it goes
Ryu (obviously) > Kasumi > Ayane > Momiji.
Kasumi gets a lot of really cool stuff between her teleports, grab, and Kunai boomerang.. Momiji feels pretty basic in comparison, even if her air combos shred bosses like nobodies business
what are some stupid mechanics in the game?
>Skill name damage caps at 10%
>Damage bonus at full health caps at 10%
>Active skill damage also caps at 10%
tf would anyone not go for active skill damage then?
souls this souls that
What are some Niohlikes?
What is the most underwhelming mystic art in nioh 2?
>Would you like to have a slow as shit ki pulse on every stance?
Spear
sword of salvation literally
There is no point in taking it, Sword of execution is 100% better, by the time you have access to two its not even worth it
>lower ki cost of dodging
>slightly increased timing for guarding
how about make me use swift step in all stances instead?
I take salvation over execution to handicap myself
Sword of Execution is just far too much damage, but Salvation's dodge cost reduction is surprisingly high and has a much greater impact in Nioh 2. It's like 1/2 or 2/3 cheaper. It's very welcome from Mystic Dyad at any rate, but they could have done something far better or more interesting, personally I would have made it so sheathing and the quicksheathe counts for Flux.
But in terms of most underwhelming/worst Mystic Arts absolutely nothing beats spear. Stability is decent but gimps one of your best skills while Fluidity is literally worse than nothing.
man I really wish they gave us an option to have your secondary's MA work with your equipped weapon
>pony hates Elden Ring and shills for the PlayStation console exclusive souls-like.
what a surprise
Ok, I'm gonna try this shit, give me the cheesiest, easiest, steamroll-everything build.
Stack +damage vs poisoned enemies on every piece of equipment you can and then get poison shurikuns, You do so much damage its laughable.
Sloth literally does nothing on bosses, they patched it out very quickly
Sloth in 2 is not Sloth in 1
Get a weapon with Purity (some weapons roll with it automatically, you can blacksmith some even), and the onmyo that imbues your weapon with purity. They stack.
Learn some onmyo magic that lets you cast elemental magic. Later on, grab familiars.
Cast talisman/familiar before big bad enemy. Inflict Purity and other element; you've now inflicted Chaos. You can also find some really good elemental yokai abilities for this, and some underrated ones (the elemental imp heads imbue your weapon with an element; it's cheap and essentially free buffing).
Kill enemy.
Against humans, focus on depleting stamina. Yokai skills do this really well, some more than others (Ippon-Datara). Some weapons are better at it, and most weapons have specific skills that do more stamina damage. You CAN inflict Chaos on humans too, but it tends to be more difficult. Purity fricks with yokai though.
There's lots of variety in Nioh though, you can make almost anything work. This is the most basic-ass way to frick everything up until the last difficulty of the game though.
I beat the final difficulty with this. Set bonuses are
>7 Tsukuyomi
>6 Omoikane
I cast some elemental spells on them, apply purity to odachi, and spam Moonlit Snow Redux. It literally always worked, even in the depths
High stance hatchets, strong attack > roll > repeat.
ignore all these idiots. Nioh2 is one of the only examples I know (I'm sure others exist) where the speedrunner strat is actually also the easiest casual steamroll journalist difficulty strat.
go full ninjutsu and get Feathers. ignore most exploratory stuff and just run to the boss rooms, stunlock and kill them all first try with Feathers.
Heavy Critical Onmyo Axe, you use the pill to drop hp to 30% and then just spin to win because you're immortal.
I've played Nioh and Nioh 2 as well and while they are kino nothing in them came close to the charmless Bell Demon gauntlet grinds. Nothing compares to the overtuned Inner Father.
Just wanna sotc bros
>tfw shittop can't run it
it's over...
>yokai realm in early game
frick frick frick
>yokai realm in late game
time to whip out the triple ippon
Combat was better at the start, and required you to be proficient with your weapon rather than spamming yokai abilities, ninjitsu and onmyo yo get through the fight
Nioh 2 should have followed Nioh 1 footsteps concerning story density. Nioh 2 wasnt able to keep me interested in the story at all when Nobunagas Arc was finished.
Nioh2 is literally half prequel and half sequel to Nioh1, as with most games, the story suffers from timeskip
Frick the nioh 2 morons. Name 1 good nioh 2 boss. I implore you, just 1 single memorable boss. They can't because the game has no interesting enemies or bosses. The player movesets and controls are phenomenal but all that potential is wasted because team ninja can't into enemy design.
This, it is simply too videogamey and hard, which makes it gatekeepy toxic problematic
>not dlc
Otakemaru and Enenra
>dlc
Yorimitsu and Yoshitsune
>enemies
Honestly i like most yokai enemy, but if i had to pick i woud go Yasha and Itsumade if you count dlc and if you dont then the the ninja yoki and the namahage
>Name 1 good nioh 2 boss. I implore you, just 1 single memorable boss.
The wheelcat with the big tiddies
same happened to me
Elden Ring is just a jump attack masher
or use magic to skip the mechanics all together
just couldnt enjoy it that much. especially with the shitty frame drops in certain areas
I got forty hours in this piece of shit game and all I can think to myself is that these clowns couldn't even make a game better than ninja gaiden black on the Xbox. They fricking removed the jump bottom, got rid of moves and just downgraded the combat to be what it is. How can you make ninja gaiden black and then end up with a shitter downgraded game twenty years later?
The guy who made ninja gaiden black and 2 left. The new team ninja is ass
>new team ninja is ass
Nah, they made DOA5. They are alright
No, it's obvious Itagaki needed them way more than they needed him
Itagaki went on to make fricking Devils Third and an NFT action game
I'd rather play through devil's third than nioh or wo long.
my condolences
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Fistbros I need help. I dropped about 200 hours into nioh 1. Nioh 2 I played ps4 launch 100 hours and then bought pc launch for about 40 hours. I just redownloaded the game 2 weeks ago tried to pick it up and just start playing and it's like my brain has been wiped and my hands aren't mine. I lost any hand-eye coordination and all game knowledge. So now I want to try fists. Are they any good or should I just stick with learning odachi.
Fists are absolutely amazing and you should definitely try them out. Best weapon type in the game, it even gets Royalguard
#1 advice on fist, try all the other weapons first, find what what you like before you go with fists, you'll never go back
Every weapon is extremely fun and powerful and only gets stronger the more you learn about how to play the game and the weapon. Coming back to the game after some time can take a moment to reacclimate yourself but you never truly lose what you know so just be patient. A big strength of the game is how easy and freely you can swap between each weapon so don't ever feel like you're locked into one approach, if you want to try another weapon then go ahead, try out all the weapons multiple times.
wrong, ac6 exists
>all these shitters ITT
LMFAO
elden ring is probably too hard for the average niohgger without broken gear.
I play it every few months nothing compares to these games yet not even DMC5
>not even dmc
>implying dmc was ever good
When will the crapcum make good games meme end
Nioh is great.
Why the frick do buttholes on Ganker seem to think they have to shit-talk every other game to talk about Nioh?
Frick you, OP. With a razor, up your ass.
I HATE THE OWL
loved nioh
grace farming bored me to tears though once i hit the underworld
The combat was fun, though I used switchglaive to minimize worrying about stamina. I just hate how team ninja designs levels. Even if they are aesthetically different they all play the exact same way where you make multiple shortcuts back to the same few shrines. It just doesn't feel like there's any variety.
>they couldn't make up an excuse to have you fight María again in Nioh 2
Damn it, it was the best fight in 1
Not in NG+ she wasn't, fricking constant living weapon spam and the moment she loses the stamina she just pops it again
Nioh 2 combat feels great but the soulless levels make it impossible to play for me. Every area looks and feels so boring.
Try Wo Long, I'd say that it's not as good as Nioh 2 but it definitely has that fast paced action you might like
ehhh idk
both Nioh games' actions breaks under the weight of its RPG elements if you even have a hint of RPG knowledge
it's still fun but I wouldn't place it anywhere near any Souls games. Maybe DS2 since it has the same issue, toned down.
for example, the thunder dogs break basically every encounter vulnerable to paralysis. I was partial to the Ice Butterflies which if used at short range will nuke absolutely anything with enough stat investment and buffs.
Occasionally a boss will just be immune to all your tricks and the game gets fun again but most of it is easily exploitable.
The Diablo3 endgame is disgusting though, I refuse to touch it.
The sweet sound of casuals
The game is literal dogshit but it has the best character creator in any game.
Just play Jack's game if you want more.
I wish they gave more of a shit about the story. I'm the type of moron that needs to be engaged with the characters to play, and as good as the gameplay was I just couldn't bring myself to finish Nioh.
You'd almost think Ganker doesn't actually play anything or something
As much as this sounds like bait, I assure you it isn't.
I uninstalled mid first boss. Just had bullshit attacks and I got sick of it. Looking back it was probably one of those "Lol you're supposed to escape!" type of battles but for some reason I didn't see it that way. So my question is, you really aren't supposed to be able to kill it, right?
which boss?
>red bull
Yeah, its not supposed to be a mandatory boss, its to teach you that you don't have to fight everything you see
>blue horse
Mandatory
yeah it was the guy with a club. Blue flames and all that. Anyways thanks guys
Nioh has a steep learning curve but I suggest you go back and give it another go because gitting gud is so worth it in this game.
Yes, you will struggle at the start but once it clicks you'll breeze through enemies like water.
Also always block, even when dodging, it's the most useful mechanic in this game.
If it was the second enemy of the game with the club, the game very explicitly tells you to avoid him, and they patched it to make it more so.
But this message and many people miss the entire point of how to use him best. He's a very early target right next door to a shrine that can take a punch and is slow to swing while not even hitting that hard for how slow he swings. He is there to be a massive training dummy for you to spend as long as you wish getting the hang of the base mechanics of Ki Pulse, stance changing, Burst Counter and your multiple defensive options before moving on. Nothing he does is bullshit but you do have to actively make use of dodging, blocking and dashing out of the way, things the tutorial went over.
>I tried playing Elden Ring afterwards
Same here, the combat in that shit is just too fricking jank and using summons breaks every fight. I found sekiro to be trash too.
>So my question is, you really aren't supposed to be able to kill it, right?
Yea, you can skip it but you can easily kill it too if you know what you're doing.
>message literally says "you do not have to engage with every enemy"
hmmmmm
>Farm cat bells
>Get gear and souls with cat bell buffs
>Spam cat bells
>Cheese the game and take down foes with ease
I'm sad their "overworld" game ended up sucking
ever since that rumor came out shortly after nioh 2 hit PC stating they were working on a open world game for nioh 3 using custom chracters I was absurdly hyped
just give me a elden ring tier world with nioh 2 combat and customization.
Hatchets are the coolest weapons in the game, prove me wrong
I have them equipped as secondaries but never use them since fists are too much fun. Help.
The coolest weapon in the game is you.
Wrong, that would be the Splitstaff
What happened to comfy story driven action games? Onimusha, The Sword of Etheria, Chaos Legion, Drakengard... etc. It's all Soulslike shit now.
>chaos legion
>drakengard
>comfy
Yes.
Why didn't they make the sohayamaru a real weapon?
It's cooler to have it as unique skills, it makes it more special. But those skills should have been added to Yokai Shift, while they were an improvement on Living Weapon they still cry out for having more to do during them, and it would've fit in quite nicely without taking up skill slots for weapons to have their own movesets. Even though they should all have all their potential inputs open anyway.
I would guess they didn't want the magic time traveling plot sword that always on your person to inexplicably drop from something like any other weapon
Reminder that Nioh 1 is trash compared to 2.
Nioh 1 is the Disgaea 1 to Nioh 2's Disgaea 5. It's older but the story and the original premise was dope as frick while the sequel is amazing gameplay wise but lacks in story outside of a few kino moments
Does the story hold more weight if you know about Sengoku?
It helps quite a bit for context behind the characters and events if you can't already get the gist of it from what's shown, but the game itself does provide these things in all the text descriptions and encyclopedia.
Probably, I know there's one bit where Tokichiro gets all mopey after you beat Nagamasa, but it doesn't add the historical context of
>Nobunaga later convinced Oichi to tell him where she had sent her infant son and Nagamasa's male heir, Manpukumaru, saying that he wanted the boy to live with and raise him. However, Nobunaga had Hideyoshi execute Manpukumaru, and the head was displayed on a stake. Nobunaga ensured that his sister, Oichi, was uninformed of this but she eventually came to that suspicion.
jesus christ
Also the kid would have been around 10 years old at the time, and Hideyoshi would go on to claim not one, but two of their daughters as concubines
Hideyoshi was such a garish, petty monster later in life that they had to portray him as possessed by youkai satan to explain it
It's the one where he goes "kids don't win in these wars", right?
Ultimately the game makes it look like a trigger for his descent to madness.
Yeah why does my Hiddy use some shit tier sword my mum gave me when I have these frickin mad fists that looks like cats
fun game, beat first NG+dlc yesterday.
Kasha sexo
Video games peaked with Nioh 2 and MHW
MHW is literal garbage that killed the series, but Nioh 2 is indeed fantastic
I play ninjutsu and bomb the shit out of everything and it works. Whats the easiest way to get Unlimited Ninjutsu on everything? Also, am I limited to that Flying Kato set?
What you're looking for will come in later difficulties in particular, but the answer is that you won't be limited to just that.
Better in just about every way, but it does so by refining and expanding on what made Nioh so good already. I don't know why you didn't like it but while there's multiple mechanics and options that people bounce off but with more understanding they grow to love the game when they see how it actually works, it's still very much a faithful sequel to the first game.
>Better in just about every way, but it does so by refining and expanding on what made Nioh so good already. I don't know why you didn't like it but while there's multiple mechanics and options that people bounce off but with more understanding they grow to love the game when they see how it actually works, it's still very much a faithful sequel to the first game.
I hated the stance changing. It just unnecessarily clutters the gameplay.
It doesn't, but stances and how the game offers a wide variety of combat options and approaches to master is a core fundamental appeal of the game and if you aren't interested in that then it's simply not for you.
It does. More isn't always better but you're clearly a fan so you can't analyse it objectively.
>I hated the stance changing. It just unnecessarily clutters the gameplay
He is right. It's quantity vs quality when none of those movesets change anything beyond basic attack rate/ki cost vs damage ratio. You poise is basically always dependant 100% on Toughness, which is extra stupid. It's not like you can stance swap armor sets either uh, but coding a proper superarmor system to balance stuff takes too much effort for Team Ninja. The only thing that matters is attack range and timing. You could reduce every weapon in Nioh to basic light, heavy and button hold attacks and their relative movement-based altermatives and there would be no mechanical difference. It's the only good thing Wo Long did (too bad they forgot to make good gameplay with it)
wow you did the triple horizontal spin instead of the quadruple vertical slash, big fricking deal, I guess
Guess the stance specific skills and different dodges aren't a thing, huh?
You are replying to a known discord schizo who does nothing but create falseflag threads and stirs shit with the most obvious ignorant bait that is clearly opposite of reality. Don't do that. Use the site's functions and ignore the creature.
>Guess the stance specific skills
samey, and 90% of them useless
>and different dodges
probably the only true mechanical difference, because unlike muh 4 damage fast attack vs 8 damage 2 times longer attack crap it affects how you play the game
You just seem like a moron who thinks switching to a different stance should be a commitment and not something you should be doing every 3 seconds to keep the flow of battle fast. That's why Flux exists.
>You poise is basically always dependant 100% on Toughne
Already wrong
it's true though
Doesn't even work for most bosses too
>Inb4 muh yokai skill
not a weapon
>m-muh living weapon
same
I want to sex my Hide so bad...
The character creator is really good but ultimately I just went with the default male design with a slight tweak to the hair color/face, lol.
How different is it to the first Nioh? I played that one and I didn't like it.
>tfw Nioh 2 didn't carry over the western gear from the first game
I just want to be a knight sneering at the funny bamboo people
It's unfortunate but that at least makes sense since the western connection is mostly not there or relevant. There's a few sets that didn't come over, in particular a lot of the alt colour ones though a lot of the new ones make up for it. There's always mods for those people on PC as well, I know for a fact the knight gear was brought over.
There are mods
My Ninja build is stalling out. I have 50% untouched ninjutsu and my ninjutsu is 900 but I don't do any damage to the DLC DotD bosses
It's likely nothing to do with your build, just a matter of adjusting to the game slightly starting to balance itself out properly after the walks in the park the first difficulties are. This is one of the reasons why people generally say to not put too much stock in trying to make builds do the lifting if it comes at the cost at learning the core combat fundamentals and how you have access to everything at once, as they're supposed to compliment each other. That said Ninjutsu still has access to elements like you always do in general and these are exceptionally powerful, but both Ninjutsu and Onmyo are at their best when used to support the rest of your offense.
Yeah, before I could cheese every boss with only ninjutsu. The ther problem now is that I get one shotted by bosses with the Flying Kato/Iga armor, even though I've got then to 15+ merge
That's how Demon is. It's the worst difficulty by far
That's one of the big missteps modern Team Ninja keep falling into. They make the first difficulty's enemies and bosses paper thin so with even a little confidence they get melted even in spite of their decent damage output if they hit you. The idea, to my assumption, is that they want their cake and eat it so that people who want "dude hard game" without actually learning and enjoying games can still get to the credits if they put some time in, all while those who actually recognize what the point of the game is can and will discover such things themselves and have the later difficulties to look forward to.
The obvious issue is that it doesn't put new players in the right environment to learn such things because again enemies melt, and the sad reality of current year is that people hate exploring their own fun and have lost the ability to focus on their own learning. DotD doesn't even step up very much but the fact that alone triggers a lot of people is a stark example, but it's easy enough to rectify though I don't know how you play.
>I get one shotted by bosses with the Flying Kato/Iga armor, even though I've got then to 15+ merge
This is another example, Defence as a stat means next to nothing, but the game is chock full of countless other defensive options both statistical and skill-based. Armour's Vs Physical stat offers % reduction, making heavy armour much more valuable but light armour makes dodging cheap and Ki regen fast for a reason, on top of still having blocking available. You likely aren't being one-shot from full unless you're getting hit from behind or at zero Ki but there's many ways to quickly heal like Life on Amrita Absorb effects. Levelling health via Constitution and Stamina makes a solid difference, Ninjutsu offers Quick-change Scrolls and Onmyo alongside many heal options has Protection talismans. Another very underrated option is clan choice, Tokugawa, Honda or Uesugi are some of the best by a mile.
I always ran light armor, is there a big difference in damage going to running medium to heavy armor?
Demon is a huge jump in stats for bosses and you don't scale up as far as them.
Yeah Nioh 2 with all it's flaws is still the best souls game.
I just kept playing for all the outfit mods.
Cool game, I liked it. I wish someone would steal their idea with the stances and make their own game.