Im a Soulsfan but I want to try the Nioh games. Should I skip the first game and jump right to Nioh 2? Many people say the first one isnt so good.
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Im a Soulsfan but I want to try the Nioh games. Should I skip the first game and jump right to Nioh 2? Many people say the first one isnt so good.
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While I think Nioh 2 is superior in most ways from Nioh 1, If you don't enjoy Nioh 1 you will assuredly not enjoy Nioh 2 so if you pick up the first on sale it's a good litmus test. The danger is playing Nioh 1 and burning out on the series because Nioh 2 recycles everything. My Soulsfan friend fricking hated Nioh but he played the entire game 1kat midstance without ki pulsing. If your favorite part of Souls is experimenting and the combat then you may enjoy Nioh, but it is not atmospheric or immersive unless you're an omega weeb that unironically enjoys Japanese folklore (if you are, read the glossary to learn more.)
Both are great, complete games so you cannot go wrong. Nioh 2 is better but Nioh 1 is great.
Alright op here. So Ive gathered from this that the Nioh games are quit different from the Souls games. Thats not a problem at all (in fact I need something new). I will play all Nioh games cause it seems that they arent all that different from eachother. Thanks bros I was worried that I would get shat on for talking about videogames.
I'm the eight points autist.
Don't play Nioh like you would play Souls. You're playing a completely different game and you must get rid of all the preconceptions you have about it, even if the stamina bar and dropping "souls" on death is similar; do it and you will enjoy Nioh (as long as you aren't one of those "muh lore muh atmosphere muh interconnected world" morons).
PC or PS4, anon?
>as long as you aren't one of those "muh lore muh atmosphere muh interconnected world" morons).
Well I do like lore in games but it wont kill my enjoyment if there isnt any. I will treat Nioh as its own game (with soulsgsmes out of my mind). I will play on PC btw Controller or keyboard? I did play every Souls game on both
>Words words words words
>concise precise message
>attention span of a rodent
>lack of reading comprehension
>moronic notion that less is more
>Nioh 2 recycles everything
That is what moronic secondaries who haven't played the game say honestly. Oh no recurring enemies oh no the gameplay is like the last one oh no, if that is recycling then 99% of sequels are rehashes.
Nioh 1 is shit
Play Nioh 2
Anon, they are 95% identical...
Except Nioh 1 has shit braindead easy bosses
>2gay filtered by DS3
Lmao
I beat DS3
A few times actually anon
That doesn't change the fact the difficulty is moronic early on
If you're not a button mashing moron you'll be alright.
If you're a Souls fan I guarantee you won't like Nioh at all. They've so different they may as well belong to completely different genres.
1. The game's focus is on combat over exploration; they're more like Devil May Cry / Ninja Gaiden than Souls on that aspect.
2. Carrying on the above, instead of an interconnected single world, the game uses individual stages that you select on a world map. As you finish a main story mission, the next one and a bunch of optional missions (aka tiny "kill the boss" missions featuring bits and pieces of the story levels) will appear.
3. Instead of unique gear and things like boss gear, the game uses Diablo loot. If you're played Diablo, Borderlands or Path of Exile is the same thing. Expect a spider to drop seven or eight differently colored items.
4. The RPG mechanics are designed around said Diablo loot. Getting the right drop with the right passives is as important as getting proficient with the combat (even more when you go througn NG+ cycles).
5. The combat is extremely complex, to the point where it may look bloated to you. You have the stance system, which give every weapon three different movesets, which on their own have pretty big movesets which you unlock through upgrade trees. On the other hand...
6. There are only a few weapon classes: katana, two katanas, axe, odachi (big katana), tonfas, spears, and kusarigama (sickle and chian). The sequel adds fists, hachets and switchglaives. Every single weapon you pick up belongs to one of the above and will share the same moveset, unlike Souls which has dozens of different unique weapons and a bigger weapon class variety.
6. Every map is either:
>A japanese village
>A japanese forest
>A japanese castle
Don't expect the locals variety you would expect from a Souls game.
All of the above apply to both games. Nioh 2 is just Nioh 1 but with new maps some gameplay improvements and extra mechanics, but for all intends and purposes is the same game.
Oh, and forgot to add:
8. The Nioh series lack the lore, atmosphere and worldbuilding from the Souls games. Both games have a straightforward narrative with defined heroes and villains, and you won't understand jack shit if you aren't well-versed about Japanese story.
So as I said before, if you're a Souls fan Nioh is a big no no.
>The Nioh series lack the atmosphere
Frick off you lying Black person, the Sunset on Mount Tenno, the One Night and Golden Castle, and especially the Interim, the Cherry Blossoms in Daigo and the 3rd DLC have an AMAZING atmosphere, so frick off with your bullshit.
That's not the kind of atmosphere a Souls fan wants and you know very well what I'm talking about.
Reminds me of someone who made something similar with his Code Vein character.
He played the game following the bad ending route and as his character killed the bosses and inherited their power (which is what gets you the bad ending) he modified the character to look more and more fricked up due to the character creator having things like broken skin, huge scars and evil-looking eyes.
>and you know very well what I'm talking about.
You mean that instead of an European castle in ruins they get a Japanese castle in ruins? What's the big difference?
Soulsborne and Elden Ring have a "decaying grim fantasy world reaching the end times plagued with violence and death, where there is a smell of fatality in the air" like the Berserk manga. That's the kind of atmosphere Souls fans want, not a "wow, that sakura tree looks kind of cool under a full moon" atmosphere.
It goes hand to hand with the whole lore thing.
The problem is that most morons on Ganker are coomers who sell the character creator as the game's selling point, just like they did with Code Vein.
So if you've played Code Vein you immediately become wary of Nioh 2..
>That's the kind of atmosphere Souls fans want
Honestly I would like it if for ONE game Miyazaki could stop sucking off Berserk and make something lighter.
I wish you would stop shitting up literally every thread, you are the barneygay of Nioh.
Tell me, am I lying?
Yes, on several points. I am a soulsgay who also likes Nioh, your entire premise is nonsense.
Dude the guy is the most helpful here.
Most Nioh fans believe that if someone likes Souls will automatically like Nioh, when that's rarely the case (it's like pretending that someone who plays Street Fighter will like Guilty Gear or Smash Bros). So when you warn someone interested on the series that they probably won't like it, Nioh fans ape out.
That wont be a problem. Im literally looking for something new. The less soulslike it is the better. But thanks for being honest.
I'd describe Souls like this: 70-30 split of exploration vs combat as the focus
It seems like enemies are there 'just because it fits the area'
Most enemies aren't given much AI outside of a few attacks if they're mini bosses and even then, most of them are still From Shit's version of 'difficulty'
nioh verses that completely. You get levels, not an open world to explore. Both you and the NPCs have ki (stamina) and you can drain theirs too. It's more 'fair' but it's still a challenge.
This is an example of Nioh 2
None of it is spoilers, it's all in the practice area
So what you are saying is enemies are more "human" right? Everything they do to me I can do to them. Sounds cool. The combat in the Video looked like a bit much but I think I can get into that.
Mostly, yes.
Humans, yes. You can make them run out of stamina nad grapple them. They can do the same.
Yokai (monsters), no as they are different. But there are similar mechanics for when they are out of ki, you can't grapple them like humans but you can stagger them and eventually they'll recover it
Nioh is much faster, if you want it to be. You can still play a slower game stylle if you just stick to using a few sklls
Speaking of meta and shit, meta really doesn't come into play until around NG+3 where you get the best bonuses.
Even leveling isn't that important. Level up for utility like more health, ki, magic, etc. Damage mostly comes from just getting a better weapon - scaling only really picks up around NG+ or so
I have yet to experience it being "Rarely" the case, in my experience the cross-game attach rate is near 100%.
And in my experience isn't the case.
Of all my Steam friends almost no one of the ones who plays Souls play a Nioh game, and only myself and another dude has finished a Nioh game; I'm pretty much the only one who played and beat both. I even made an experiment and gifted the first game to one; he dropped it after reaching the second area.
Also, try browsing a Souls thread on Ganker and mention Nioh; you will get nothing but negative posts.
That's because Souls versus Nioh posters literally made it a mission to form some kind of moronic fanbase war, as so often happens on Ganker. Someone who made sure to post in every thread, which I assume was you, "NIOH CANNOT BE PLAYED BY SOULS FANS" for literal months.
I don't disagree, but he starts off with
>If you're a Souls fan I guarantee you won't like Nioh at all.
which is just objectively wrong. Combatgays coming from Souls who are willing to do more than R1/O will love Nioh, and there's plenty others who will enjoy it. Lots of people like both games, it's probably more common than the vocal shitflingers who each hate the others' game.
Liking Souls doesn't mean you will like Nioh, but that anon is vastly overstating how divergent they are in their appeal and target audience.
>4. The RPG mechanics are designed around said Diablo loot. Getting the right drop with the right passives is as important as getting proficient with the combat (even more when you go througn NG+ cycles).
OP here again, does this mean that if I cant get the right loot, im fricked?
No, loot doesn't even matter beyond the broadest strokes in NG. You can try to "Build" however you want with any setup of gear, but trying to maintain a singular set is a ballache.
Got it. As long as it aint NG I dont need the best loot to win. Does NG ad anything New or is it as crappy as in Souls? If so I wont do NG anyway.
After you beat NG a new rarity of loot begins to drop regularly, Divines. These are the entry into proper autism hell.
Dude NG sounds like a blast. New enemy placements, movesets and new dungeons. Thats literally what Souls lacked in NG.
Yeah, it's good fun and if you get into the proper NGs things change more and build depth increases. Just don't hold yourself to some "Meta" level like in souls, there aren't invasions and the game is designed for you to keep leveling to cap.
I never play Meta anyway it isnt really a fun way of playing a game. And I leveled at any Chance in Souls games. And I hate pvp game so no Invasions isnt a problem.
Sounds like you'll have a good time then, I personally believe Nioh 1 is worth a playthrough before 2, but 2 really is just Nioh 1 with more goodies dribbled throughout. If you go really hard into Nioh 1 and hit NG+++ etc. you probably risk burnout.
Thanks dude I kinda lost track on who Im writing to but thanks for actuallly helping me on this. I didnt think this thread would last even two minutes.
If you don't got through Nioh 1's NG cycles, at least play the DLC (three areas unlocked after finishing the main story). In my personal opinion they have some of the best maps in the entire series (I think 2's DLC was a bit of a letdown) so they're well worth a play.
Oh yeah one more reason why I suggest Nioh 2 over 1, is apart from it being better balanced, there are more ways to recover health making it generally more forgiving early on.
An example being the boss of level 3 who is usually considered a wall, between magic that let me recover health, steal life from the boss on hit and health potions, I was able to just face tank it
Oh yeah you have summons from the AI in Nioh 2 too so they can help out and when one dies? Summon another. No moronic 'one summon per checkpoint' shit
I would agree, the story is more fun especially with the QT waifu actually speaking Geailge but it's certainly a rougher style and between Hino-Enma, Nue and Umi (including Umi's entire fricking level of annoyance), I could see someone getting burned out. Especially with coop not being so active.
Just so we're clear, I love Dark Souls 2. I like Dark Souls 1. DS3 is ok. I really enjoyed bloodborne.
Guess what?
I actually only enjoyed them after playing Nioh
William is just a better character than Hiddy, fill shop. Hiddy is left basically characterless while William is actually pretty charming.
Thing about Liam is, he speaks.
Hiddy doesn't IIRC
Plus I thought Kelley was a fricking brillian villain
>we're clear, I love Dark Souls 2. I like Dark Souls 1. DS3 is ok.
Dude are you me?
Enemies layouts get switched around on NG+. And the last NG cycle Way/Dream of the Nioh has a bonus dungeon to sink your teeth into. You unlock it in Nioh 1 once you beat the game once but you only get access to like 5 floors out of 999.
NG+ on both Nioh games is pretty interesting:
First and foremost, it starts mixing enemy placement; you will find things like endgame enemies oat the early game.
Second, it will add "red" enemies AKA enemies with buffs
Third, at higher NG+ cycles some enemies will start using new attacks; for example human enemies will start using animesque "unsheathes weapon and hits you" attacks.
Four, new gear rarity levels will start dropping, and at higher NG+ cycles said rarity levels will have their own properties (named "graces"on the second game).
NG+ is pretty different and worth doing. You get access to new sets, raise stat caps, get access to 'ultimate' stats, unlock a new rarity of gear, get access to a new equipment type, new affixes on gear, etc. Enemy placement is mixed up, enemies get NG+ exclusive buffs, and on high NG+ basic enemies start to get replaced with minibosses.
You can speed through it really fast, since it doesn't require you to beat the whole game again, so it doesn't take too long to hit the max difficulty, despite it going all the way to NG+4. You can also swap back and forth between NGs at any time between missions, it's basically the Diablo 2 Normal/Nightmare/Hell difficulty system if you played that.
>You can speed through it really fast, since it doesn't require you to beat the whole game again
Explaining this more in detail: after finishing the game for the first time and unlocking the next NG cycle, you will see a "progress" bar on the map screen. Once you fill that progress bar you will unlock the next NG cycle without needing to clear every single story mission. You can just play the story missions, or clear secondary missions until it fills.
Nah, I'm right and you know it.
I'm willing to concede that it isn't a 100% thing, but I will still put a disclaimer:
>"If you like Souls, you probably won't like Nioh because..."
>i'm right and you know it
Everything within my personal and observed experience paints you as totally incorrect. Nioh is a game with different focuses than Souls, but liking one game type doesn't suddenly make that game some singular example of genre perfection that every similar game must ape 100%. Nioh leaning heavily into gameplay over worldbuilding doesn't mean even someone who really appreciates souls worldbuilding will suddenly have a festering hatred of it.
>Everything within my personal and observed experience paints you as totally incorrect.
My personal experience with both games and their fanbases proves me right, along with objective data (like the amount of Souls / Sekiro players on Steam vs the amount of Nioh / Nioh 2 players).
You're delusional if you think that people liking one will automatically like the other. You clearly don't interact with either playerbase.
at this stage you're just trolling and purposely making shit up the other anon didn't say to continue an imaginary argument using imaginary points
While I think that there is truth in what you say, It comes down to how well you can adapt to a new game. I think I would only have a problem getting into Nioh if I expected it to be a Souls game.
>automatically
I don't believe this, I think the likelihood is increased however. You, on the other hand, believe the opposite, that liking one means someone will automatically dislike the other. Nioh is a far more niche title than Souls, it comes from a smaller studio and has a smaller fanbase. It has very little marketing. This is like stating that because Dead Space has fewer players right now than most Resident Evil titles, anybody who likes one will hate the other.
Resident Evil players don't spend most of their time making virulent posts on the internet about how much Dead Space sucks, unlike Souls fans.
That's just fricking Ganker, my man. Fanbase wars are virulent.
I never understood how "Nioh vs Dark Souls" even came to be. They are so different it seems foolish to even compare them with eachother.
They're very similar with their base ideas. An XP system you lose on death and can recover if you go to where you die, lock on and circle strafing, large difficult bosses that will kill you multiple times. They just have different philosophies on the intricates of combat and how you progress your character.
First game got hyped up as Samurai Dark Souls. A lot of Souls players don't like diablo loot. If you try to play Nioh's combat by pure R1+O'ing it through the game, it feels like a lackluster knockoff of Souls combat. Because of this, it caused a lot of butthurt among some Souls fans, who said it was a shitty Soulslike. People who actually liked Nioh get tired of this and tell them to frick off. Sprinkle in the usual Ganker shitposting and baiting, and Souls vs. Nioh has become A Thing.
A few mechanics copied over, xp loss on death, etc.
Most of this came from moron journalists and streamers who said 'bro dark souls in japan yo'
It's like saying Metroid is just 'Mario with a gun' because you jump
Oh two pieces of advice, donate all your gear you aren't using at the shrine to get healing items.
Pick kato at the start for guardian spirt and get spirit to 10 asap
Any weapon is good. Most of the good skills unlock later but off the top of my head: Axe, katana and dual katana are all fine
And again, it is not dark souls. Blocking is absolutely a fricking key element
First boss teaches you that - if you block and get your block broken due to no stamina, a lot of the time you can hold block again to block a follow up
That's not to say that you are supposed to just block.
You have to find a balance; there are some attacks that are better blocked, and others were dodging is preferable. It boils down to your reflexes and play-style, but still blocking is a core tool.
>stating that because Dead Space has fewer players right now than most Resident Evil titles
Most classic RE fans absolutely hate every modern survival horror game, DS included, due to its specialized shooting mechanics and lack of static camera cinematic angles "killing what survival horror is supposed to be" so choose a bad example.
It's not just Ganker.
You're only right in so far in that if you go in expecting just Japanese Souls you're probably going to be disappointed. But going in with a bit more of an open mind and taking it as its own game you might like it.
On NG, you only need to equip the gear with the biggest numbers.
On NG+ onwards you need to start theorycrafting a proper build, and the second to last and last NG+ cycles are pretty much gear checks.
On your first run just use whatever has the highest number. Once you beat the base game and Divine (Green loot) starts drooping focus on getting all your gear to be that. The only tip I'll give you is to use magic and ninjutsu. I don't care how bad you want to be a pure STR or DEX chad every build in the game uses magic to some degree since buffs are important.
>I don't care how bad you want to be a pure STR or DEX chad every build in the game uses magic to some degree since buffs are important.
I disagree. My first character on both games were STR only and I had a blast with it.
Only on ___ of the Demon and above you start to need to start using some ninjitsu / onmyo due to bosses and several enemies starting to use OHK grabs and the like.
You're an exception, not the rule. Most Souls fans don't like Nioh and that's why it's important to warn a potential player first.
Yes, skip to Nioh 2
Nioh 1's balance is, at best, very fricking questionable.
Early game is actually on par with DS3 in how moronic it is in terms of difficulty
Disagree
Loved DS2 and enjoyed Nioh
If you even have the smallest inclination or curiosity of nioh 1 then play it first.
Going from 2 back to 1 is legitimately a terrible idea. It's going to be a shitty experience on an already not that great of a game.
They're both great and they're practically the same damn game EXCEPT for 2 being a straight upgrade in many, many areas.
The story is nonsense. In 1 you mostly play as a white guy while in 2 you can custom make a smoking hot anime waifu with big breasts to play as.
nioh 1 is good, you should definitely play it
it might not have biggest enemy variety of all vidya ever made, but still good enough
just pirate it and try it out, it takes few minutes to learn mechanics, but once you get it, you are gonna love it
2 is much better
Play 1 and hopefully enjoy it. If so, take a significant break before playing 2. They are lengthy games but incredibly similar. How far you go into the game is up to you, some will quit before the end, others will beat the game and drop it, others sink their teeth fully and play all the difficulty/NG+ modes, the side missions and the Abyss.
If I like a game I usually play it for years. So I do hope that I will like Nioh. Im pretty burned out of Souls (even though I havent played Elden Ring yet)
There is something that no one has mentioned so far:
Both Nioh games have two multiplayer modes
One works exactly like Souls' summoning, with the limitation that you can only use it on shrines (the game's equivalent of bonfires): visitor comes to your world, he leaves when he dies or when the boss is defeated, progress is only saved for the host.
The other is a true co-op mode that can only be accessed from the world map and where progress is saved for both players. If one player dies, a lifebar located on the bottom of the screen will deplete until the other player revives the dead player. If both players die too much and the bar depletes entirely, the mission will fail and you have to restart from the beginning (or on Nioh 2, you can restart from the last shrine but you will lose half of your earned "souls").
Elden Ring is great, but if you have "Souls burnout" you may not like it.
"Nioh cannot be played by Souls fans" is true,
I like both games because I'm not a true Souls fan. A true fan likes one or the other, not both.
You are moronic and a source of a pointless fanbase war.
Nioh 1 is incredible my friend, I can't recommend it enough, I wouldn't tell you to skip it.
I will bro thanks.
OP here I want to thank everyone here for helping me. Even though I regret saying that im a Soulsfan cause it sparked some discussion. Anyway thanks bros. I bought Nioh and I will play it tomorrow.
Are you on PC or PS4? I can lend you a hand if you're on PC.
I will play on PC but I want to beat the game without help. Thanks for your offer though.
I actually just started Nioh a few weeks ago and I'm still going. I absolutely love this game and can't recc 1 enough. I've played all the souls and Elden Ring and have not had nearly as much fun as I've had with this game. Hope you enjoy it as much as everyone else, definitely use the magic and ninjitsu skills and try all the weapons. You can respec for nothing and move things around, I think the first stat allotments from the tutorial are the only immutable points, but like another anon said just put points everywhere, nothing wrong with it. Also join a clan as soon as you find the hidden teahouse and collect the free glory points on Monday so you can pick up the fun emotes and character transforms. You'll get some 50-60k a week which nothing except the chicks cost more than 10k
Fight with all your spirit samurai!
Play 2, they are almost the same game but 2 is superior in every way and you can make waifus in 2
"You can make waifus" is only a good selling point when the other person is a shit eating coomer; for someone who wants a good game it may be a red flag.
You're making Nioh 2 sound similar to fricking Code Vein.
I may Sound like a gay but I cant take a game seriously if the only appeal is sex.
This anon is completly right. I couldnt play Code Vein because of this.
As someone who has given plenty of anime games a try and has an open mind when it comes to trying games outside his comfort zone, you're doing the right thing.
Always be wary of a game whose selling point is the sex appeal, because 99% of the the time the game has absolutely nothing else going on for it.
You can say that again. I cant coom and game at the same time bro. I only have two hands
The best part of the character creator was making my Hiddy (male) older with each timeskip
Yes, it does and it's still amazing. A common criticism from Soulsfans is the repetition of Nioh because it reuses it's very well-designed enemies instead of a novel mook enemy every new area.
>making my Hiddy (male) older with each timeskip
based and geezerpilled
>you can make waifus in 2
Anon that's the icing, not the cake, by the way OP, Nioh 2 has one of the BEST character creator systems you will find in ANY game, you will have a blast with it.
>think the game is generic as shit before trying
>"there is no way this main character geralt wannabe has any charm"
>William actually has huge charisma and carries the entirely of nioh 1 story
>he has more depth than a lot of AAA main characters
Wirriam is amazing
I skipped the 1st one because of 60fps cap.
Nioh 2 is Japanese craftsmanship at its finest. The super-precise object collision and hitboxes puts Dark Souls to shame. The combat is vastly more intricate and satisfying, with a plethora of attacks whereas Dark Souls has 1. strong attack 2. fast attack and fricking Sekiro only has 1 attack button
What's the best weapon in Nioh 1?
I need to beat the game to get to the DLC since I never did it
depends what NG you are on. Ninjutsu rapes NG to NG++. It's filthy how easy it makes the game. After that ninjutsu damage scaling falls off and you might struggle. LW is good after that, LW odachi especially.
How's ninja deal with human bosses tho
You throw shit at them so fast they can't do anything except block, get guard broken then get annihilated. At the very most in every bossfight you will need to dodge the first attack to get behind them, then throw storm kunai's into the bosses back and kill them in 2-3 shots. or do something like lay a trap down. I can't emphasize enough how insanely broken ninjutsu is in Nioh 1. The only problem is the scaling doesn't keep going up the same way other builds do. So you can make it work in the last two NG's, you just have to actually play smart and be good at dodging to do it though.
Nioh 1 doesn't has female CaC, easy skip