No, I'm not going to learn Japanese. No, I'm not going to spend that much time, money and effort to learn a different language just for the sole purpose consuming Japanese comics, anime and videogames without English Dubs or English Subtitles. Yes, I do watch English Dubs simply if I feel like to especially if it features English VAs I recognize. Yes, I do often play JRPGs in English because I like to and often features English VAs I do recognize. And if I do find and agree when an English Dub is bad or mediocre sounding compared to Jap audio, I will switch Jap voices and English Subs.
Is it really so morally wrong to consume alone enjoy English Dubs and or Subs without being immediately lumped in with Left Wing SJW Californian consumers and all the political culture war baggage that is now latched onto Sub-versus-Dubs? Again, I consume and do English Dubs because I simply choose to because of the voices I recognize and like WITHOUT any of that left vs. right vs. centrist culture war brain rot. Maybe you Americans should have not constantly politicized everything with your uniquely Californian ideas within a 1 mile radius. What a timeline to live in where Subs-versus-Dubs is no longer an weaboo/otaku anime nerd culture thing, but is now a politically charged culture war and Partisan talking point.
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Cool story bro.
Oh, and most of you have bothered spending that much time, money and effort to learn Japanese just to consume Japanese media without English Translations are NEVER going to travel to Japan. You're not going to travel to Japan even for touring, you're not going to hold conversations with Japanese people, you're never going to put your newfound Japanese language skills into any practical use outside of flexing to your anime weeb friends and communities online. You're probably not going to watch or read any other Japanese media or literature that isn't videogames, anime or manga.
I married a Japanese woman though
Post proofs or didn't happen
>you can only learn a language if and only if you dedicate your whole life to that culture
It's kinda true
>you're never going to put your newfound Japanese language skills into any practical use
I use the language every day, what are you on about?
It's morally wrong to consume translations. I get it if you're a kid or whatever, or you play one Japanese title a decade and don't really care that much or know any better.
>It's morally wrong to consume translations
Anon, you're not going to earn praise and approval from the Japanese for whether you're Subs or Dubs.
I don't want those things. I'm just saying it's morally wrong to consume a translation. It's no different from paying for snuff films.
>Is it really so morally wrong to consume alone
Yes, you ruin the industry for others.
enjoy your slop
You needed to make an entire thread to justify how you love to eat shit?
I'm using anki but can't remember anything apart from the basic words
>i love slop mmmm
>wordswordswords
you could have just said
>I have low IQ, non-existent self-discipline, and/or (probably "and") shit taste
Outside of the U.S., dubs are overwhelmingly seen as things that are made exclusively for children and the mentally disabled.
and video games aren't?
That isn't even a little bit true. In Europe and Mexico there was a whole industry built around dubbing Hollywood movies.
My Hong Kong girlfriend wants to move to Japan with me after she marries me. We don't speak Japanese at all. This was her idea and not mine.
What happens now?
You say no? What, you're going to let a fricking woman of all things make major life decisions for you like that?
She is redpilled, and traveled all over the world. I never left the US before.
You are not going to enjoy living in a country where you don't speak the native language, doesn't matter which one. Besides that, if she were actually redpilled she would be reluctant to leave America due to having to give up her gun ownership.
She hates Democrats just as much as she hates the CCP.
And there is no way I am ditching her, period.
>Hong Kong
Hong Kong women were hot property up until 2000, nowadays their city is cucked and fricked five ways till Sunday by US, UK, China AND themselves. They're screwed. Ditch her while you can.
She isn't even remotely screwed. She is more or less what /misc/ demands in a woman. She is also one of the cutest girls I have ever seen in my life.
Anime dubs are 99% trash. They were okay up to the mid 00s but they took such a nosedive. I find game dubs to be alright though.
OP for once is not a homosexual. Frick troonylators and frick Localizers.
also, the most copey part of your post is "money"; it's entirely possible to learn to read Japanese with nothing but an internet connection
which requires money, unless ur stealing ur neighbors wifi
yeah but OP is shitposting on Ganker.org anyway so he's clearly paying for internet regardless
Kek, what "Free Online Japanese" courses exist out there, care to share? Most shit everyone uses cost money, including linguists and material that you need to read and practice with to learn Japanese.
anki plus reading and listening manga and anime
>reading and listening manga and anime
I guess stereotypes of weebs IS real
Frick you, dude. I shouldn't have to learn a new language just because you miserable homosexuals can't stop pushing your homosexual agenda into everything.
you sound like a lazy moron, and you just made this thread to validate your laziness
>Voices I recognise
From consuming dubs. Why are you pretending it's just because of woke shit and bad TL that you get shit on? It's not a political debate, it's an issue of you not having any standards and gleefully consuming shit.People have been shitting on dubs since the beginning, because the performances are awful. Everyone shits on 4kids, and rightly so, but the standard is so goddamn low that 4kids dubs are above average for American dubs! Fricking 4kids!
Now they're fricking up subs and they're forcing the Japs to censor at the source. Frick you, and all other disingenuous moderates.
Japanese language was supposed to be the great gatekeeper, but then people realized they literally don't even have to know the language to frick shit up.
Frick off. Frick off. Frick off.
You're stupid. It doesn't work that way. It's not "lmao japan" it's local companies that license it for distribution and handle the dubs/translation.
>t's local companies that license it for distribution and handle the dubs/translation.
No you are the stupid it's not purely a one way process, and that process is literally outsourcing either way.
Bullshit. Shut up, queer. Stop defending troonylators, you freak.
>Frick off. Frick off. Frick off.
>It's not a political debate
I dunno anon. That seems to be the norm these days. Everything is political, the art of a cute anime girl eating a hamburger you gaze upon is political. Football, baseball and basket ball is political. Holding hands with your crush is political. There has to be some hidden message about Late Stage Capitalism and Workers Revolts in a children's cartoon, according the popular streamer no.83283.
And we have you Americans and Angloids thank you for that.
Frick you. We don't want it anymore than you do. We're sick of it, too. We vote against it, and they just use Dominion machines to change the votes.
Heh, whether you like it or not, oh Westerner. That is sadly that unfortunate and tragic state of the society right now. Being straight as an arrow and having a light skin pigmentation is lifetime heresy, your kids can't just be a boy or a girl alone. Certain women should have all the privilege of sleeping around as much as they want to. Having standards is wrong because "patriarchy."
And the case of this thread's topic. Eastern cartoons, games and comics must now have "global" standards to fit the diversity quota or you're not getting investor money. And choosing English Dubs because you simply like to and because of favorite English VA you recognize means you must be a leftist communist sympathizer! All because Sub versus Dubs is now political and part of Le Culture War.
Dubs are better. The weird, stilted way voice actors have to speak with the japanese pacing is pretty unique. Lends to some really memorable lines and run on sentences. I don’t watch anime these days (I saw berserk 20 years and decided I was never going to see another anime as powerful so why bother to keep watching) but when I did, I never cared if it was sub or dub. Who does care? No one I’d be caught dead with in public.
>muh politics
Dubs are bad because Japan doesn't give enough of a shit to carefully curate specific quality actors for other countries, it just gets outsourced and handed down through several layers and eventually passed off to a bunch of literally who low budget actors who have no direct contact with the creators themselves while they're working.
Okay /gamers/. What solution can you propose to fix this type of issue then? I am going to play devil's advocate in OP's defense for a bit, because people seem to not realize the bigger picture. For its not just localized dialogue alone but literally cultural and internal. Yes, leaning Japanese can spare you the sjw lefty localization and thus you can enjoy the intended content and message the Jap devs intended... But that can only work for so long until the Japs themselves will now have to start censoring caving into commiefornia standards since there're rumors ESG is starting creep into Japanese corpos. So much so that eventually even the original and actual Japanese dialogue will no longer be any more different than the localized/dubbed dialogue and wording, thus all those Japanese lessons for the sole purpose enjoying Japanese media is for vain.
But maybe that's just rumors, but who's to say that ain't a worse case scenario that would play out. So I'm willing to give that OP vaguely understands or might have a bit of awareness that learning Japanese just to not use English translations is not going to solve what is otherwise deep seated cultural and internal issue. Along with the fact that the Japanese corpos and devs themselves are the ones hiring the ESG commiefornia folk to translate and localize their shit to begin with. Ultimately learning the Japanese language to consume without the localizer baggage is just a short term quick fix solution. And no amount of learning Kanji or writing calligraphy is gonna save you from the worst case scenario that is the Jap devs themselves fully bending the knee to le Global ESG standards and fully go with the politically correct" dialogue but now in authentic Japanese.
But maybe Jap devs one day will instead use AI to translate and localize rather than hire the commiefornia localizers. This might kill the English Translators and EN dubbing industry, but hey. Maybe that is one of the better options?
The solution is no more troonylators. No more bullshit localizations.
im trying to learn it and its too hard, there are too many words
> Consuming mindless chink slops
Learning Japanese is only going to pull back the curtain on how genuinely awful the vast majority of Japanese entertainment products/writers are and how much of your childhood nostalgia was saved in translation by the super nerds responsible for the English localizations.
is there any veil to lift that isnt hiding something completely disappointing?
your mom's skirt, my expectations were surpassed
In my experience it's the complete opposite, it's like living your whole life tied up watching shadows on the wall of a cave, and then breaking free and going outside for the first time.
It's terrible learning Japanese, because you suddenly come to the realisation that you haven't actually consumed any Japanese media before, just shadow puppets with a vague resemblance.
There's so much media in so many different languages that it's dumb to argue that you should just learn them all. It's a waste of time.
If literally all you do is play video games then you could make the argument for Japanese, but I'm not a pleb, I watch movies/shows in all sorts of languages and read translated books.
We should demand better from translations, simply saying "just learn the language" is a non-starter. It ain't gonna happen.
But I watch foreign media with subs and play a lot of games with Japanese voices (depends on the game).
Of all the languages to learn I cannot fathom why anyone would choose Japanese.
Learn a European language or Chinese or something that may actually be useful ffs
yeah learn spanish so they can get your order right at the taco truck lol