>no small races.

>no small races. even the dwarves that elves tried to evolve into got yeeted off the world for trying to pull a Babel.
>the two anthro races are rightfully discriminated against and even considered slave races by some, and are literal lizards uplifted to be symbiotic drones of Great Old One trees, and basically really fricked up gatanthropes where it's based on the phase they were born under not the current phase, respectively, very unusual takes that aren't just "it's a man but a furry"
>unique cosmology, planets are gods, the night sky is literally "Hell," the demons/"bad" gods are just the ones that didn't get in on making the world, and are often still worshipped by people that aren't crazy baby-eating cultists, some are arguably downright good, while others are simply bemused by humanity as a source of entertainment. Even the evil ones you might appeal to out of desperation. Three moons, which are the corpse of a dead trickster god who tricked the other gods into making the material world and dooming elves to live on it as mortals because he (rightfully) hates elves, also really likes humans because they're insult to injury.
>religions all seem to be drawing from the same original truths, but word of mouth have muddled the facts enough that each has their own take that makes sense to their worldview
>magic schools are actually sorted by what they do not some arbitrary nonsense. Anyone can learn magic or magic item crafting, but because it's not a universal fix-all tool, most only dabble or focus on developing other skills, avoiding a tippyverse situation. Oh and magic items burn captured souls as fuel since they can't run on the user's mana, and learning to craft an item or learn a spell requires destroying the source, so even more reason to skip it as a town guard.

I don't agree with everything Bethesda does, but this is how you avoid making a shitty Tolkien-ripoff Fantasy Heartbreaker setting, gentlemen.

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    all of the lore that people care about in this series was created by ted and kirkbride for daggerfall, morrowind, and redguard 20 years ago and Emil/bethesda has just been piggybacking off of it instead of really writing anything new or original

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nah, kirkbride is overrated, if you read his TES fan fiction, it's all cliche schizo nonsense.

      There's someone at Bethesda writing the lore in a much subtler way, who is not as memed as kirkbride.

      The problem is that this cool lore usually only remains in the final game in the form of hints, symbols, iconography and art assets, before being papered over by bethesda's main hack writers.

      Like the stuff in Skyrim about how Talos was literally erased from existence by the elves, and there's hints about him literally no longer being a god, but in the game itself it's presented merely as a ban on his worship.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That's the Altmer's goal, but it's not successful yet, if it's even possible. All humans have to die first, for starters. It's probably impossible because the world exists for Lorkhan and Lorkhan ALWAYS wins.

        https://i.imgur.com/TgJiM3r.jpg

        >no small races. even the dwarves that elves tried to evolve into got yeeted off the world for trying to pull a Babel.
        >the two anthro races are rightfully discriminated against and even considered slave races by some, and are literal lizards uplifted to be symbiotic drones of Great Old One trees, and basically really fricked up gatanthropes where it's based on the phase they were born under not the current phase, respectively, very unusual takes that aren't just "it's a man but a furry"
        >unique cosmology, planets are gods, the night sky is literally "Hell," the demons/"bad" gods are just the ones that didn't get in on making the world, and are often still worshipped by people that aren't crazy baby-eating cultists, some are arguably downright good, while others are simply bemused by humanity as a source of entertainment. Even the evil ones you might appeal to out of desperation. Three moons, which are the corpse of a dead trickster god who tricked the other gods into making the material world and dooming elves to live on it as mortals because he (rightfully) hates elves, also really likes humans because they're insult to injury.
        >religions all seem to be drawing from the same original truths, but word of mouth have muddled the facts enough that each has their own take that makes sense to their worldview
        >magic schools are actually sorted by what they do not some arbitrary nonsense. Anyone can learn magic or magic item crafting, but because it's not a universal fix-all tool, most only dabble or focus on developing other skills, avoiding a tippyverse situation. Oh and magic items burn captured souls as fuel since they can't run on the user's mana, and learning to craft an item or learn a spell requires destroying the source, so even more reason to skip it as a town guard.

        I don't agree with everything Bethesda does, but this is how you avoid making a shitty Tolkien-ripoff Fantasy Heartbreaker setting, gentlemen.

        The Aedra are all also dead (mostly dead, anyway, being dead as a god doesn't make you inert). Oh, and the stars and sun are holes in the veil of reality leaking in raw magical energy.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          If they're dead/almost dead then why are they worshiped the most?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            They "died" in the process of making the world, so worship of them is, at least partially, out of gratitude

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          How does that work, the gods being mostly powerless compared to other entities like the deadra?
          I get the why, they gave up most of their own power to create the world. Is that why they're the ones who are usually worshiped? Because they for all intents and proposes are the world/the forces in it?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >mostly powerless.

            Aedric shrine: Cures diseases, grant's a minor blessing, move on with your day.

            Daedric shrine: Go on an extremely dangerous, yet somehow stupidly absurd series of quests; receive an honestly fundamentally mid-tier artifact. Star eating corpses, or something equally socially awkward.

            It's kind of like comparing the "power" of a quantum computer to that of a jet engine. They're about different things.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            They're worshiped because they're the creators of the world, such that it is, and because they literally ARE the world, they still have a concrete influence on it.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Nah, kirkbride is overrated, if you read his TES fan fiction, it's all cliche schizo nonsense.

        He wrote the pocket guide to vvadenfell which bethesda still piggyoffs off and he wrote all the stuff you see in tes 3 that people rememeber. There's nothing in oblivion or skyrim's worldbuilding people remember. Kirkbride is a bit overrated but he actually tried to create a fantasy setting alongside Ted but emil does the complete minimum in creating a setting

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The parts of games bethesda created post TES 3 people remember are the stuff not made by emil like shivering isles, point lookout, and far harbor

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >shivering isles, point lookout, and far harbor
            Funny I have approx 300 hours in skyrim and approx 120 in Oblivion and I have no idea what those things are.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Shivering Isles shows up by name in your questlog once you clear the tutorial, like the rest of the DLC. Also what have you been doing on that save that you haven't gotten to Shivering Isles after 120 hours

              The rest is fallout stuff

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >They are the stuff not made by Emil
            You are actually wrong on that at least for Oblivion since Emil wrote the Dark Brotherhood which is considered one if not the most memorable quest in the game.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              That's a quest, not geopolitics

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Never mentions geopolitics
                >Point Lookout
                >Geopolitics
                lmao

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The DB questline in Oblivion is memorable because of the quest and level designers and not the writing. The writing in it is just as shitty as literally every other thing Emil has worked on or been responsible for. It is probably the best thing he's made, but it's not really that much better than the Mage's Guild, which everybody knows is pretty awful. People remember how cool the setups and missions were and assume the writing was good, when the only writing that's actually in the fricking storyline is pretty moronic. The only interesting part was the twist with finding out you were subverted and used by the traitor, but it was handled in a dumb way, and the dead drop thing had to be forced in to justify it. And, of course
              >I know who the traitor is but I'm just going to stand here like a moron and not say anything while following along as the group goes to the Night Mother so the traitor can kill almost the entire rest of the Black Hand and the Night Mother

              DB is easily written worse then the FG and TG and those aren't even really that good. But you have actual characters with motivations, friction, a greater role in the world, and worldbuilding. The DB has Lucien Lachance as the only developed character and a sloppily-handled traitor plot.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The DB questline in Oblivion is memorable because of the quest and level designers
                Arguably that is also Emil's job, though. If anything one of the most legitimate criticisms of bethesda is that they confuse these two roles when making the game. But yeah... DB in Oblivion, by the books, is not a very good story. Worse than Skyrim, even.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                We don't know specifically what parts he did of it and which he didn't. Given his track record with literally every single other thing he's ever worked on, I'm going to go out on a limb and say he probably is not solely responsible for the best parts of it. It was likely the other people working on the questlines that made the parts that stand out most.

                But, yeah, the lines of who did what and made what quests or dungeons are incredibly blurry at Bethesda. They don't document it well and intentionally let people have the freedom make one if they want to. Or at least they used to. I don't know if they stopped doing that after Skyrim.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I dont believe the narrative that everything he touches turns to shit. That meme came out from a single schizo who is definitely not to be trusted.
                He likely has his talents and flaws, with writing stories in a deep and meaningful way being a weakness. It's much more likely that the issue is a wider management issue who doesnt add in other narrative-focused people to work alongside him when directing the game.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Emil has a narrow and limited skillet and manifestly should not have the authority that he does.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I dont believe that. There is no evidence. Like I said, it's all a bunch of shit made up by some schizo.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Given his track record with literally every single other thing he's ever worked on, I'm going to go out on a limb and say he probably is not solely responsible for the best parts of it
                I dunno, I can definitely see some of the scenarios for individual assassinations being based on ideas he'd been percolating since Thief II, and the failings really just come down to them not being able to fit in neatly to the systems behind Oblivion (+ a lack of imagination on the part of Emil/whoever cooperated with him to implement those ideas)

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                These are his known contributions by as written by UESP which i know are the most reliable source on this.

                Bloodmoon — Emil created many of the side quests, including the encounter with Uncle Sweetshare.
                Oblivion — Emil authored the Dark Brotherhood questline.
                Skyrim — Emil authored the lyrics in the used in the game's main theme music, and a great deal of the Dragon Language. He designed the Dark Brotherhood questline, made design contributions to the Main Quest, and designed the Blood on the Ice side quest. He also helped design the overall setting, factions, and cities featured in the game. The lockpicking minigame was also his design.
                Dawnguard — Emil suggested the idea of the Prophecy of the Sun, and the earth forever becoming entombed in darkness.

                Now here is where the issue starts, remember that Bethesda way to make these quests ends up being relying on people who aren't really in charge to design quests, plus there is no general guide for people to follow on how to make the content, I hate Emil but putting all the blame on him is moronic when clearly it's company culture that everyone should end up doing everything without a guideline to keep everyone on track on how it should be done or to keep quality similar across the board.
                And that is fault of no one but Todd for taking that stance years ago instead of being deeply involved in everything.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The lockpicking minigame was also his design.
                His worst contribution by far, the Oblivion design was the best I've seen in any game, it's shame they didn't keep it around.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It was way too tricky. I think stealing the one from Fallout was too simple though. I heard the ESO one was a good compromise, but I haven't tried it.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I hate Emil but putting all the blame on him is moronic when clearly it's company culture that everyone should end up doing everything without a guideline to keep everyone on track on how it should be done or to keep quality similar across the board.
                But the problem is that he can receive some blame both because he enforces and encourages that (it's not just Todd) and BECAUSE HE IS IN CHARGE OF THE WRITING. If the writing of a game he is in charge of is shit, like Starfield, it is his responsibility. He is accountable for the bad, just like he would receive the praise if it was great and beloved. That's what being in charge means. You're responsible for the end result because you control the people under you, even if you're not the one that penned the cringe line of dialogue.

                All of Bethesda's decentralized stuff just means it's hard to point exact fingers at individuals for specific quests, but Emil doesn't stop being responsible for the product because he has people under him. He is responsible for managing them.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It was Todd decision to stop having a design document not Emil, Emil is working on what Todd told him to do ages ago and obviously the quality would degrade based solely on that factor, on top that Todd also decided to distance himself more and more and what used to be Todd being in his office open to talk about the games during their design ended up in Todd never being available for nothing.
                Emil is to blame for being a prick about it and pretending everything is fine, his talk is everything that's wrong with Bethesda, but he is not exactly the sole perpetrator and more like an accomplice to the hands off approach Bethesda ditched design documents altogether.
                Emil was someone that got a position he wasn't prepared for true but again Todd put him there, Todd decided to stop caring and just because Emil is gone it doesn't change all the other factors that truly make whatever is going on at Bethesda bad.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >It was Todd decision to stop having a design document not Emil
                Emil pushed for that as well; he said so in his GDC presentation. You can lay any number of sins at Todd's door but Emil bears no small amount of culpability for that brain-dead decision.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Most major cities having around 50k in the urban center. The biggest cities in Tamriel would have a few hundred thousand, including the rural outskirts. Imperial city probably 500k.
                [...]
                No, you got it wrong. It wasnt his decision to only have him as the main narrative designer of the game. This is a wider structural problem of the company that ultimately traces back to Todd. The upper management should had figured out his deficiencies and proceeded to correct them. Either by demoting him or, ideally, making a dedicated writing team.
                But, honestly, I dont know what I would do. Adding a writing team would probably just end up filling the company with dangerhairs and the likes.
                [...]
                Nah, that was taken out of context. In that case he talked about a linear documentation in form of a game plan, not that they dont write down anything at all. Bethesda uses dev wikis to make their games, and we know that at least Skyrim had "some" (a single page lmao) form of base document with the general bullet points of how the game would play out.

                Yes, Bethesda's decentralized structure and lack of cohesion and all of that other shit is also a problem. One that mostly got bad when the company got large enough that it couldn't be reliably managed that way. That doesn't mean that Emil is absolved of being a bad writer and a poor manager when his track record is pretty dogshit and his rise to a high position on writing coincides with when Bethesda got increasingly awful at writing. The only reliable way to defend him is "well he might not have written these shitty parts because we don't know who precisely wrote them." Of course he's going to mention the things he worked on that people liked, even if the parts he made for them are not what people liked.

                The whole point of having a high position is that you are accountable for the result. You have more power (and more pay) but in exchange you have more responsibility. So if the end result is bad you are the one that gets the criticism, rightfully so.

                And either way, Emil doesn't talk about the decentralized structure you guys are mentioning as a bad thing. He praises it in interviews and says it's something he likes and encourages. It's weird to bring that up as a defense for him when it's something he perpetuates, regardless of whether he was the one that started it. He has the power and position to change it if he wanted to, but he doesn't want to.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Might be because he doesn't want to get fired?
                Never cross that idea in your head? lmao
                "Oh yeah Bethesda is shit for giving me a raise and upgrading my job position, my co workers are morons and there's no quality control over anything because everyone can just throw their ideas on a paper and they will be made for our games"

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                He could just not say much about it. You're playing Devil's advocate to an extreme degree and there's really no reason to.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Kirkbride is overrated in the sense that people treat him like the Son of God when he is merely the best writer associated with TES.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There was that one lore guy from ESO who did a pretty good job. The game has some very shoddy writing, specially on the base game, but there are some hints of brilliance in there.
        But Kirkbride is pretty cool and has had some of his "fanfictions" canonized in both Skyrim and ESO. Heimskr's speech about the many headed talos was based on a off-game kirkbride text.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The truth is that there isn’t some hidden hand lore writer, but that kirkbride is good when he has people saying no to his more schizo moron ideas. Kirkbride is why it’s amazing but only when he was someone editing for him and telling him “no” sometimes.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        kirkbride was involved in the very early drafting of skyrim's story concept.
        he was the one who introduced ideas like the thalmor returning, the white-gold concordat and talos being removed from heaven.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The thalmor suck, feel way too modern and 20th century fascist, rather then a government that would exist in a medieval setting, especially the shit with the libtard aldmeri the flower something or other revolting agaisnt them, because it’s LE mean to be racist (a viewpoint NO ONE had prior to modernity). Thalmor and everything surrounding them is cringe, even their lame fascist aesthetic is cringey and modern.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            good thing its a fantasy game set it its own universe and not medieval then.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              True I guess they can add BMW’s and modern zoomer slang to the game and it wouldn’t throw off the vibe or ruin the aesthetic because it’s not medieval whatsoever and is it’s own fantasy universe

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Many such cases of this argument, stupid, dishonest, and sad!

                thats the thing about fiction. you can write whatever you want you dumb morons. do better.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Many such cases of this argument, stupid, dishonest, and sad!

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous
          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            i think you and all the other morons spouting this meme are projecting. I never saw the Thalmor as "fascist" inspired or modern when i played the game and then at some point everyone started this rhetoric of Thalmor basically being just a fascist state to the point that it gets parroted by morons that i m sure never even played that much of the games if any at all.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Thalmor always reminded me more of orthodox israeli sects like Chabad Lubavitch

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Considering the autistic obsession with israeli mysticism half the writing cast has and had over the years that sounds much more plausible as a source of inspiration that was then applied to the setting

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                their occupation with racial purity spiraling is basically zionism on crack

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I mean they're obsessed with their own racial superiority, assassinate and purge any possible dissidents, and wear a lot of sexy black robes.

              It's definitely there.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                that's much more like the nazi than the fascists and if you remove the racial superiority thing that;s all authoritarian regimes from antiquity to today

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I think that's splitting hairs since nobody was saying 'oh yeah, that reminds me of the Italians!'.

                Anyway it's clearly not 1-1. As Tolkien said 'analogies are for fricking pussies'. But still there's some obvious motifs and the like. The Imperials aren't super Roman, yet they're obviously meant to be stand-ins for them too.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I agree that analogies are for homosexuals.
                Well if you had to make one with the romans, they are much more stand-ins for Byzantines with the dichotomy of the asian and the western part of that empire seen in the dichotomy between north and south, and the greatest city of the world sitting in the center of the empire surrounded by one of the agriculturally richest regions, etc etc.
                They also have semi Byzantine borders with barbarians in the north, blacks/ (muslims) in the south and western europeans in the west.

                And that's why analogies suck. Because foe every similarity you can find there is another small fact that is completely dissimilar and then you start engaging in which archetype they are more closely related and counting similarities. A total exercise in stupidity all in all

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The Redguard are the furthest thing from barbarians. Nords are way more barbaric (and in fact the most racist man you find in Oblivion is a Redguard that thinks Nords are cavemen) and the Reachmen and Orcs are considered by all races to be dangerous raiding barbarians. No need to virtue-signal your racism in this online forum anon. Like you said, analogies are for homosexuals.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >hating Redguard culture because they're black
                broke
                >hating Redguard culture because it is anuic
                bespoke

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                the black muslims were also the furthest things from barbarians during medieval period.
                The Baghdad House of Wisdom is responsible, via the silk road, for most of europe's scientific advances.

                Algebra, Alchemy, those aren't latin words after all.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The Baghdad House of Wisdom is responsible, via the silk road, for most of europe's scientific advances.
                Very sneaky way of saying they took credit for things the poos and Chinese taught them.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                In the same way the renaissance was taking credit for the discoveries of the greeks and romans, sure.
                Point is they weren't barbarians, they were still ahead of anything the west had accomplished up to that time scientifically speaking. They haven't ALWAYS been camel-fricking hicks.

                Remember that the Ottoman Empire was considered a superpower even as recently as WWI, and wasn't behind technologically even the slightest until Industrialization, and weren't any worse off then russia at the time of their fall. And if the british hadn't carved them into a bunch of little factions then america started handing doomsday cultists guns because they would shoot them at russians trying to buy/take their oil, then they might not be a practically medieval warzone today. When you collapse civilization, there's a dark age, when you intentionally destabilize a region it becomes unstable, big surprise.

                So no, Redguards aren't intended as some heathen savage, nor are they ever portrayed as one. The otherwise xenophobic philistine nord guardsmen even seem impressed with their blacksmithing techniques.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Redguards aren't intended as some heathen savage, nor are they ever portrayed as one.
                They're actually portrayed as just that when they first invade, sack, and massacre the residents of Orsinium.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >killing orcs is savagery
                Civilizing the savage you mean?
                Pest extermination perhaps?
                I have no quarrel with Redguard conquistadors.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Redguards are the worst people ever by virtue of being Anuic scum like

                >hating Redguard culture because they're black
                broke
                >hating Redguard culture because it is anuic
                bespoke

                said. They're also self-destructive morons who it's a bad idea to be near. The best thing they've done is to commit war crimes against Thalmor occupiers.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What does all that mean? I don't really know anything about the redguard

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The Redguard understand the odds. They comprehend risk. They can explain it to others and perform the calculations. They then ignore it compulsively and do the big risky thing that will get themselves or their allies killed. It's an actual inherited curse and can't help themselves.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Empire has much more nordic influence than the small bit of germanic influence in the real life etruscans for example
                add to that small hints of a japanese-tier snakeman culture with imperial nobles carrying long, curved akaviri blades to flaunt their status.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The Akaviri influence on Imperial culture does mimic real Roman history, with Greek colonists massively shaping pre-Roman Italian culture.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              They're coded to be a stand-in for 20th century politics, something West Coasters stuggle to understand, and the game telegraphs it pretty hard that they're supposed to be some big bad evil 21st century movement.
              You can't expect liberal Americans to understand the difference between satanism and luciferianism. How can you expect them to write a proper villain for an Elder Scrolls game?

              Thalmor always reminded me more of orthodox israeli sects like Chabad Lubavitch

              Ironically most of the ESO writings sound like rewritten Hindu doctrines.
              Purity. Orthopraxy. Direct involvement in the metaphysics of the world. I could go on.
              Atleast orthodox Rabbinical Judaism says they work over generations rather than taking direct actions.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >They're coded to be a stand-in for 20th century politics,
                I think that is a very big misconception. The political philosophy of the Thalmor has nothing to do with any major development in the 20th century given that they completely reject materialism, something that pretty much all sides of the political spectrum save for liberalism have done in the last century.
                Everything in their modern state in inherently tied to their metaphysical view of the world. Even their racism is not related to actual racial characteristics but to their relation to the ehlnofey, something which is not controversial among any of the civilized races.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You're right.
                Sadly we know who the devs were. Even though it's pretty funny to say the developers were wrong it's still an uphill battle with normies.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                > the material world us bullshit and we were better off in our original forms
                Wait a minute, are Thalmor just aggressive versions of gnostics?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Or SEELE, if you prefer pop-culture analogies. I mean shit, the dwemer even had an Eva, complete with its power source being a stolen soul transplanted into a new godbody.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Never figured out that angle, it makes way more sense than it should. Thanks for the insight.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                To some degree, yes. They do see themselves as entitled to true divinity, where all the perils of the world and mortality are gone, something which does resonate with the idea that "ye shall be as gods" of the gnostic creed.
                But everything regarding creation itself is vastly different from gnosticism. There is no demiurge, with the only figure somewhat similar to it being Lorkhan, which is notoriously powerless without someone to mantle his image. This core aspect of their faith is also not dualistic. Lorkhan was not evil in the same way some gnostics held the demiurge to be, and how the elves see the Daedra. He was just a misguided trickster who commited the ultimate crime against them.

                Redguards are the worst people ever by virtue of being Anuic scum like [...] said. They're also self-destructive morons who it's a bad idea to be near. The best thing they've done is to commit war crimes against Thalmor occupiers.

                This is one of the main reasons I dont want a hammerfell game. Everyone knows that Bethesda won't be able to properly depict the edge and grit of the yokudan anuic faith even if we were to ignore the idpol aspect of the game. They would just depict them as swordsinging MCU superheroes who use funny words from the same old divines. All of the cool exquisite cults that exist deep in the desert would be gone.

                You're right.
                Sadly we know who the devs were. Even though it's pretty funny to say the developers were wrong it's still an uphill battle with normies.

                I mean, most of this lore was either made for Skyrim or was "fanfic" canonized by bethesda with Skyrim. There is still some credit to be given. As for modern bethesda, that's another can of worms.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Correction: Elves do think Lohrkhan intentionally tricked the Gods into becoming mortal because he was super evil. Men hold that he saw creation as worthy of said sacrifice and he had simply convinced the Gods to help, even though they ultimately decided they didn't like he price they needed to pay.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The exception being the Dunmer, who think Lorkhan was a dick but a dick with a point.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Kirkbride is overrated in the sense that people treat him like the Son of God when he is merely the best writer associated with TES.

        The truth is that there isn’t some hidden hand lore writer, but that kirkbride is good when he has people saying no to his more schizo moron ideas. Kirkbride is why it’s amazing but only when he was someone editing for him and telling him “no” sometimes.

        ES writers/quest creator rankings

        1: Kirkbride
        2: Ted Peterson
        3: Ken Rolston
        4: Douglas Goodall
        5: Mark Nelson
        6: William Shen
        7: Everyone else
        8: Emil Pagliarulo

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >No Kuhlmann
          You sicken me.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Nah, kirkbride is overrated
        People who say this never elaborate on why. Face it he is just a good writter and everything cool in ESO lore cam be traced back to him.

        >There's someone at Bethesda writing the lore in a much subtler way, who is not as memed as kirkbride.
        Who? You people never say who. Just this misterious invisible force. Frick you. Why is it so hard to admit the guy writes good and interesting stuff?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          kirkbride is GOAT, how is this even an argument?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              ted peterson makes great stuff too, really quirky with a focus on individuals

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                He does nice stuff too, as does the guy who went to create Paranoia RPG too but there is no denial the fact that kirk did the stuff that makes ESO ESO and people who try to minimize that can go die in the woods.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Mostly because Kirkbride was part of a team, not the whole thing. It needed guys like Ken and Ted and yes, even Todd to really gel the way it did.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I disagree. I see no reason to think this is true, if they just let him loose we would have even more kino.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I wouldn't say I dislike him, but some of his stuff gets real odd.
          The 5th era and numidium coming back to wreck tamriel feels a little contrived, and nerevar making "a race of new men" with vivec is weird.
          And I'm not really a fan of the whole lorkhan is akatosh thing (but that's more because I don't understand what he meant by that)

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >lorkhan is akatosh
            that's because YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Dumb Imperial vampire and damn heresy... needs Altmer correction!

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                silence, knife-ear!

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Have you read the c0da?
          Reading it is like an emperor has no clothes moment

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's mostly in the game. You can watch for clues in Dark Souls and so can you in ES games.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Imagine unironically comparing TES games to Dark Souls. Absolute delusion.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You should try treating ES main series games like Dark Souls in terms of worldbuilding. Without checking your loot you can come up with great stories of your own.
          Atheist Dwemer is such a forced reddit meme.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The dwemer are athiests, they had an entire culture based on a material view of the world where as other races put a mysticism on things people don't understand like magic or the daedric princes. The dwemer zerosummed themselves out of existence trying to uplift their race into all being gods similar to the princes

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Dwemer philosophy, if taken at face value and with world history in mind, sounds like a watered down Catholic worldview.
              >created world is scientifically understandable
              >if one can understand the workings, one can reverse engineer the inner workings
              >if one can reverse engineer the inner workings, one can build upon said inner workings
              There are almost no atheists in science history and Catholics outnumber all others 9 to 1.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You're ignoring the fact that if you're considering scholars like Thomas Aquinas to be scientific thinkers, they were operating from a knowledge base that failed to provide adequate alternatives to why the universe exists. The Big Bang hypothesis hadn't been made up yet in the middle ages. Not to mention considering Athiesm was downright illegal in most kingdoms for most of human history (and even today few people are willing to commit to using the term Athiest to describe themselves as there's a lot of baggage with the term) it's a pretty meaningless observation to make unless you are trying to obfuscate things.

                I think there's also a useful distinction in that the Dwemer do not deny that the Gods exist. They just think the Gods are really big spirits (which objectively speaking is correct) that aren't really all that significant in the grand scheme of things, and rather than worship them they should instead create their own (something that's entirely possible in the universe, though arguably it was a bad idea nevertheless).

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >considering Athiesm was downright illegal in most kingdoms for most of human history
                Which kingdoms? I know Catholics defended atheists out of an assumption that they were, here's the kicker, not educated enough. High church Christians generally assume to obligation to go out and share knowledge when they recognize a lack. I can tell you where they were illegal, but you could get banned on Facebook and a "cancelling" on Twitter for that.
                >really big spirits
                This also falls in line with Catholic thinking that, rather than Orthodox considering pagan gods to've been historical kings, the "gods" were fallen angels or their hybrid offspring. In that sense, Catholics do "believe in many gods" if god with a lower case g is translated as unclean spirit.
                I find it lamentable that nobody mentioned the author of the Big Bang theory, a nice work that made Einstein's stomach turn whenever said author was around.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I don't have to cancel you, I can just call you an obnoxious twat.

                I also think you're mischaracterizing things there- Odin is not a 'god' in the same way that a motorcycle is not a car. Odin would have been a fallen angel that was tricking mortals into not worshipping God. Now- Odin would have been powerful sure, and done many of the things that myths attribute to him, but that does not mean he is a God, as that's a contradiction in Chrisian thought (which states there is only one god). That is to say categorically every other God, though they may exist in some fashion, do not count.

                That's different from the Dwarves who don't say that for instance, Azurah isn't a God. They just say Gods aren't all that interesting broadly speaking.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >call out
                Church as a noun derives from a Greek notion that God calls us out of this world.
                >Odin would have been a fallen angel that was tricking mortals into not worshipping God.
                Now you're getting it.
                >They just say Gods aren't all that interesting broadly speaking.
                I faintly remember a sense of antagonism while playing Morrowind.

                >Einstein
                Einstein was one of the first IP thieves.
                >Relativity of simultaneity
                Poincare
                >Flat space-time
                Minkowski. Granted, he was Einstein's mentor and a fellow israelite, so 'borrowing' might be more accurate than 'stealing'
                >Lorentz transformation
                As you can tell by name, made by Dutch physicist Lorentz, as an answer to a problem that arises in classical electrodynamics, because Galelio's transformation works in mechanics (Newton eq-ns are invariant under G) but fails with Maxwell's. Not sure if he was israeli, although he certainly looks the part.
                >constant c aka Einstein's postulate
                Experimental result of Michelson interferometry experiment a.k.a testing ether theory, alternatively, accidental property of Maxwell equations (product of two fundamental constants - which can only be a fundamental constant - obtains the meaning of velocity in the wave equation)
                >Photoeffect (what he actually got Nobel for).
                More or less a direct consequence of Max Planck's quantum hypothesis, again, postulated in response to a different problem.

                Now, I do not know whom Einisraeli stole GR from, but considering all other 'his' big discoveries were in reality made by other people, I'd be very surprised if he did not steal the most complicated and most mathematically challenging one.

                Thank you.
                I was referencing LeMaitre. Back then the universe was assumed to have "always been, always is, and always will be" and that the newly discovered galaxies would just fly past each other. LeMaitre said the universe had a defined beginning in space, time, and matter.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I was referencing LeMaitre.
                I know nothing about cosmology except it's a "science" with so many assumptions heaped upon assumptions that alchemy is positively objective in comparison.

                Not to deride actual astronomers, of course, only 'cosmology theorists'. And it's not really a fault of their own, because until very recently our only trick for observing the outer space was collecting EM radiation. Today, at least, we have gravitational waves (if you take issue with using Einstein's terminology, let's call them "Spacetime distortions") and neutrino, but multi-messenger astronomy is still a young science.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Very good point. Recently I have read a theory that posits only one elementary particle and all the others are combinations in a scalar field. Most of the terms had to be coined from the grounds up. Fun read.
                It's really weird how almost religiously they have to mention Einstein's name everywhere. They just have to mention him everywhere. It's very weird.

                [...]

                I can tell from here you're not a physicist

                You're better than this.

                Dude stop being an obnoxious twat. What are you getting out of a being an obnoxious twat about things?

                Anyway- Dwemer philosophy is of course different from Dwemer action. Same for Catholics- intellectually the Catholics argue that Odin was probably real, just a fallen angel doing magic tricks. But probably if you talk to most Catholics they'll look at you funny for saying that because it's probably not a topic they think about all that much. They'll know Norse Paganism is heresy and therefore 'obviously' not real and not a topic that bears discussion. Catholic Scholars however have to circle the square as to why THIS religion (chrisianity) is correct in all it's myths and why it's rational to believe it, and why THAT religion (any other) is irrational to believe in, when the case for legitimacy for both is just 'trust us dude'. Hence they come to the conclusion of 'okay, so ALL religions are at least partially true, and you can't completely discount them out of hand (including christianity) it's just that the part about other Gods being real is wrong, and they are in fact fallen angels or demons'.

                Dwemer simultaneously might take the scholarly stance that Gods are just really big spirits but are otherwise mundane, but Dwemer were also intensely concieted and paranoid as a culture, and probably took it to a level of 'and theyr'e out to get you, but only cause they're jealous because we're so innately superior to everyone else around us'- being very in line with typical hoity-toity thought.

                >be me
                >on Ganker
                >get told not to be obnoxious, a twat, or both
                You get a reaction out of me.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >It's really weird how almost religiously they have to mention Einstein's name everywhere.
                There's nothing weird about why Einstein is promoted over the plethora of israeli scientists who made genuinely important contributions. Hell, Emma Noether's theorem (symmetry <-> conservation law) is a much more important contribution to theoretical physics than Einisraeli's trivia compendum called "special relativity". From more recently deceased ones, there's a plethora to choose from.
                However, those israeli scientists were, as you can expect from a good scientists, were more concerned with science than with israeli social activism. Not so much with little ratlike israelite Einstein. He was even offered to be a President of Israel, but declined the 'honor'. I think that's illustrative about who Einstein really was - a israeli activist playing the role of "gigabrain quirky university professor".

                There's literally no reason to believe Einstein plagiarized GR unless you're parroting the party line of the Nazi party from the fricking 1930s and the people I see claiming that here are usually /misc/tards who would fail a high school physics course

                You ever heard of Bayesian probability, you little reddit tourist? What's going to be your first assumption about a guy who was a lifelong practitioneer of plagiarism?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Tone down the hostility a bit.
                You can get a lot more with honey rather than a rocky road.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah and my Bayesian priors tell me you're a dishonest dipshit

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                And mine tells me you're from Reddit, because ad hominem poasting without any arguments to back it up is the style of discussion there, whereas here on four-mother-fricking-chins we are men of high culture who do back our claims with reasoning in between calling each other gay homosexuals.

                Tone down the hostility a bit.
                You can get a lot more with honey rather than a rocky road.

                >tone policing
                Who the frick are you, a woman?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >poasting
                >4chins

                holy shit cringe, you fricking tourist.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Dude stop being an obnoxious twat. What are you getting out of a being an obnoxious twat about things?

                Anyway- Dwemer philosophy is of course different from Dwemer action. Same for Catholics- intellectually the Catholics argue that Odin was probably real, just a fallen angel doing magic tricks. But probably if you talk to most Catholics they'll look at you funny for saying that because it's probably not a topic they think about all that much. They'll know Norse Paganism is heresy and therefore 'obviously' not real and not a topic that bears discussion. Catholic Scholars however have to circle the square as to why THIS religion (chrisianity) is correct in all it's myths and why it's rational to believe it, and why THAT religion (any other) is irrational to believe in, when the case for legitimacy for both is just 'trust us dude'. Hence they come to the conclusion of 'okay, so ALL religions are at least partially true, and you can't completely discount them out of hand (including christianity) it's just that the part about other Gods being real is wrong, and they are in fact fallen angels or demons'.

                Dwemer simultaneously might take the scholarly stance that Gods are just really big spirits but are otherwise mundane, but Dwemer were also intensely concieted and paranoid as a culture, and probably took it to a level of 'and theyr'e out to get you, but only cause they're jealous because we're so innately superior to everyone else around us'- being very in line with typical hoity-toity thought.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Einstein
                Einstein was one of the first IP thieves.
                >Relativity of simultaneity
                Poincare
                >Flat space-time
                Minkowski. Granted, he was Einstein's mentor and a fellow israelite, so 'borrowing' might be more accurate than 'stealing'
                >Lorentz transformation
                As you can tell by name, made by Dutch physicist Lorentz, as an answer to a problem that arises in classical electrodynamics, because Galelio's transformation works in mechanics (Newton eq-ns are invariant under G) but fails with Maxwell's. Not sure if he was israeli, although he certainly looks the part.
                >constant c aka Einstein's postulate
                Experimental result of Michelson interferometry experiment a.k.a testing ether theory, alternatively, accidental property of Maxwell equations (product of two fundamental constants - which can only be a fundamental constant - obtains the meaning of velocity in the wave equation)
                >Photoeffect (what he actually got Nobel for).
                More or less a direct consequence of Max Planck's quantum hypothesis, again, postulated in response to a different problem.

                Now, I do not know whom Einisraeli stole GR from, but considering all other 'his' big discoveries were in reality made by other people, I'd be very surprised if he did not steal the most complicated and most mathematically challenging one.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I can tell from here you're not a physicist

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You're wrong, buddy. Post your PhD.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The Big Bang hypothesis hadn't been made up yet in the middle ages
                And guess whi came up with it.

                That's right. A priest. A Catholic priest.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >There are almost no atheists in science history and Catholics outnumber all others 9 to 1.
                Because the Catholic church and later the early Protestant churches held most of the world in a death grip for over a thousand years, particularly the parts which left any sort of written documents, and there was basically no way to be a secular scholar for most of that time. Even the proto-sciences like alchemy were nigh-inextricably bound up in Catholic mysticism. Many of the most important leaps forwards in at least biology and geology in the last 200 years, not to mention chemistry even earlier, were based on shedding this ideological baggage

                This is beyond the fact that you're talking about the "history" of science so you'll be talking about the great figures of the past, who nonetheless were picking relatively low hanging fruit. The developments of modern science are rarely the work of a single or even a dozen people, whatever the hell goes on with who gets authorship on a paper notwithstanding, and by sheer numbers we probably have more trained scientists now than ever before. It's basically a coin toss that these people are either atheist or agnostic

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >no way to be a secular scholar for most of that time
                What a silly notion and contradictory to Heisenberg's polemic against the seperation of university and church. Did you know he predicted the lack of belief in objective reality and a gallopping debt?
                Everybody could become a scientist. You just needed to promise to deny your own subjective reality. That's it.

                I can tell from here you're not a physicist

                Do you need to be a physicist now to talk about physics? I knw Heisenberg didn't mention this, but I wouldn't be surprised if he did talk about this in a letter.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                There's literally no reason to believe Einstein plagiarized GR unless you're parroting the party line of the Nazi party from the fricking 1930s and the people I see claiming that here are usually /misc/tards who would fail a high school physics course

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      kirkbride still writes for elder scrolls, he literally wrote new books for ESO, one even confirms that CODA is canon

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >No small races
    Bosmer are manlets, though.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >no small races
    Khajiit have a bunch of smol forms but only the normalnigs with ugly stinky human feet get representation

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      How does that work? Are they like were-cats? Are some khajiit just born as regular cats or tigers? Are said tigers and house cats still sentient?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The phase of the moons dictates which kind of khajit you are born into. There are 2 moons so there's even more types of khajit than that, I think. There's even one that is virtually indistinguishable from humans.
        Many different types of farm tools suitable for different tasks.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Many different types of farm tools suitable for different tasks.
          Based fellow Telvanni

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's dependent on the phases of the moon. Whatever phase the moon is you are born informs the type of Khajiit that you are born as, and it's irregardless of the Mother and Father (so long as the Mother is A Khajiit).

        The ones shaped like tigers and house-cats are completely sentient. The house-cats are all wizards and they CAN talk, though they tend to keep quiet around outsiders who often treat them like pets. They also need to be dressed by a family member, something that is very embarrassing to them. The tiger shaped ones can't talk, but are still sentient, and often let others ride on their back (so long as they are given permission).

        This is incredibly confusing to non-Khajiit so the Khajiit don't talk about it a lot cause they don't want to have to sit explaining Khajiiti sex education to everyone else every time they walk into pub.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Is this even still true? Seems like something that would have been overwritten by now, especially given the fact that we conveniently only see one type of khajit per game.

          I dont believe that. There is no evidence. Like I said, it's all a bunch of shit made up by some schizo.

          Get the frick of of here, Emil. The evidence is everything you've ever been in charge of.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >especially given the fact that we conveniently only see one type of khajit per game.
            ESO has almost all different types of khajit in it. Only ohmes, alfiq-raht and tojay are missing

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yes,yes and yes

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I know we're never going to get the full cat autism spectrum of forms playable, but they should let you choose between the base and Raht sizes in the next game at least.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Elder Scrolls is pretty mid, lorewise. Half of it is drug-fueled schizo-posting and the other half is generic as frick elf nazis.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah the good lore

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'm still looking for the "good" lore, because most of what's there right now is on par with like... 3rd edition D&D. It's great if you're a Zoomer coming from 5e, but if you're an old homosexual like me... pretty mid.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Everyone point and laugh at the pretentious homosexual

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            He's right though. Elder Scrolls lore is overhyped slop propped up by a rabid fanbase of tryhards who like to pretend it's complex. It's not. It's extremely basic b***h fantasy tropes, many of which are stolen from older editions of D&D. Your calls for a circle jerk might work when you've got a General thread going, but not here.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Elder Scrolls lore is overhyped slop propped up by a rabid fanbase of tryhards
              Literally all you have to say about it is, "I dislike it because other people like it >:("

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I dislike it because it's basic as frick and the only reason people think it's good is because DnD 5e's endless race to the bottom has lowered people's standards THAT much.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >many of which are stolen from older editions of D&D
              You can’t post this without evidence

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You're mad because he's correct. If you read enough, you'd know what was being directly ripped off. Like the stars being holes to extraplanar power stuff is Mississippi delta Native cosmology. All the mushroom stuff is third-hand hippy shit you'd see in half the DnD games in the 80s. The Dwemer are Norse dwarves instead of Tolkein dwarves which is not an uncommon take at all. We could sit here and do this all day, but it's blowing your mind only because you don't have a wide enough frame of reference.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Like the stars being holes to extraplanar power stuff
              This is common to Etruscan and Hungarian mythology, too.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Thanks, didn't know that. So it's even more generic than I thought.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I'm pointing and laughing alright... but not at that Anon.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            sorry anon, the crowd saw a chance to be contrarian. I will point and laugh though because lmao >implying forgotten realms is even in the same ballpark as Elder scrolls.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Name a setting with what you consider to be good lore

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I like the part where you call everyone who disagrees with you "Zoomers" and then proceed to describe the setting as "pretty mid"

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Half of it is drug-fueled schizo-posting and the other half is generic as frick elf nazis

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    And all that stuff is Expanded Universe, i.e. doesn't matter one fricking bit.
    Games are basic DnD tier generic fantasy.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I only play procedurally generated OSR crap, and games that are niche enough that they don't have elaborate lore beyond basic setting description, so I've always wondered how, in those big franchises with tons of lore, you're supposed to even encounter the lore, like, in-game. When and how would it even come up? Usually you can't squeeze much exposition into an actual play session beyond names and basic descriptions, unless the referee just sits there monologuing for half an hour.

      Do people just, like, read the lore separately outside the game?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        well elder scrolls has books, but not even counting the moo, you do stuff in these games like talk to a self proclaimed god about the nature of the universe and the relation of the two of you for half a hour, visit a infinite library demon dimension, fight the original necromancer turned lich (twice or maybe it's a guy claiming to be him the second time) get involved into the wild hunt and fight a avatar of the god of the hunt, turn off the sun with the bow of the sun god and more

        the problem with elder scrolls is not that you don't interact with any of the cool stuff, it's in my opinion the fact that all that cool stuff is in a really crappy engine so the gameplay can't keep up and that all that cool stuff has very little inpact on the world outside of their questline

        like you can turn into the god of madness to fight the god of order, leave the demonic pocket dimensions and return to the normal world... and get arrested for pickpocketing or something like that

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Exactly. I feel a lot of people who complain about Bethesda 'ruining the lore' don't stop to appreciate that they're limited by what they can feasibly program in such big games.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          yeah every elder scrolls storyline is in it's own little bubble i think the worst example of this is skyrim's fighter guild, i forgot the name, but i remember how they talk about never having heard about you despite being in the city that raises very quickly to nobility status for killing a dragon and eating it's soul

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I want to learn modding so I can mod Morrowind-like factions into Skyrim. College of Winterhold <> Imperial Mages' Guild would've been cool.

            Dude stop being an obnoxious twat. What are you getting out of a being an obnoxious twat about things?

            Anyway- Dwemer philosophy is of course different from Dwemer action. Same for Catholics- intellectually the Catholics argue that Odin was probably real, just a fallen angel doing magic tricks. But probably if you talk to most Catholics they'll look at you funny for saying that because it's probably not a topic they think about all that much. They'll know Norse Paganism is heresy and therefore 'obviously' not real and not a topic that bears discussion. Catholic Scholars however have to circle the square as to why THIS religion (chrisianity) is correct in all it's myths and why it's rational to believe it, and why THAT religion (any other) is irrational to believe in, when the case for legitimacy for both is just 'trust us dude'. Hence they come to the conclusion of 'okay, so ALL religions are at least partially true, and you can't completely discount them out of hand (including christianity) it's just that the part about other Gods being real is wrong, and they are in fact fallen angels or demons'.

            Dwemer simultaneously might take the scholarly stance that Gods are just really big spirits but are otherwise mundane, but Dwemer were also intensely concieted and paranoid as a culture, and probably took it to a level of 'and theyr'e out to get you, but only cause they're jealous because we're so innately superior to everyone else around us'- being very in line with typical hoity-toity thought.

            Sounds like Catholicism to me.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >And all that stuff is Expanded Universe, i.e. doesn't matter one fricking bit.
      The stuff about the cosmology is pretty central to the stories of Daggerfall and Morrowind, the stuff with the anthros and the dwarves is recurrent in Morrowind, and the way the magic schools are arranged is a recurring element you'll encounter when playing a magic-user

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Pretty much only Failblivion and Skyrimjob detach themselves form the higher concepts entirely, and Skyrim actually does acknowledge that you (the PC) are mantling Talos/Ysmir/etc. Which is why the last DLC is Herma-Mora (the traditional enemy of the Nords) whisking you away to gay baby jail.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Reminder that ESO is canon and there is nothing you can do about it. Also is right. Your average elder scrolls plot is "stop the evil demon lord/ lich/ evil wizard from destroying or enslaving the world for the lulz"

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Reminder that ESO is canon and there is nothing you can do about it.
        I can ignore it.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          This is the same tired argument DnDrones use when you point out objective problems with 5e. Sure, ANYTHING is good if you just completely ignore the parts you don't like.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous
  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >how you avoid making a shitty Tolkien-ripoff Fantasy Heartbreaker setting, gentlemen.
    Ripping off Indo-European stuff, and Hinduism in particular? Yeah, Glorantha is fricking awesome, and its system and/or gameplay actually includes the interesting bits.

    I also want to butcher a mythical brother which is an aspect of my self, turn his guts into my own world, and have his decapitated head haunt it as a moon (actually a shadow planet, a counterpart of my creation which I demonize because I don't want my followers to know there is an alternative).

    Our apocryphal third sister aspect, which is a snake made from the umbilical cord which connected us, is the one which swallows the sun and causes eclipses. She wants to gestate the sun into a new world for herself, but I always go and poke her with a spear to make her vomit through the swallowing mouth instead of the birthing mouth.

    Oh, and the sun is a holy cow which nurtures existence. I was drunk of its divine curdled milk when I crafted everything from my brother's guts. I resent it for the murder of my brother, but as long as I fail to acknowledge my own responsability, my world and the moon won't reconnect through the snake-cord-sister.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Should I start with the Vedas? Where do I end before it turns to pajeetslop?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Where do I end before it turns to pajeetslop?
        Only read Rigvedas and Ramayana.
        Mahabharata is interesting but it is definitely already pajeetslop.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The frick is 'pajeetslop' supposed to mean?

          Anyway I took a hinduism class, and honestly the epics didn't really do anything for me. I've never felt like a story has stopped to lecture me on something so much, and I say that as a pretty edgy fedora tipping athiest who's pretty familiar with the Bible.

          Like I feel like periodically the stories stop to lecture me on why the caste system is so important and fundamental to society and how we cannot under any circumstances treat the lower classes nicely, and also women are dumb idiots who are uniformly terrible and useless.

          The major crux of the Ramayana is Rama has to rescue his wife Sita from a Demon King after he kidnapped her (because he mutiliated a sexy demon lady that wanted to marry him). He finally does this, and when he does he accuses her of adultery because WHAT OTHER POSSIBLE REASON COULD SHE HAVE TO SLEEP IN ANOTHER MANS HOUSE, and says their marriage is over.

          Sita then throws herself on top of a fire, and Rama only takes her back because the fire refused to burn her because she had, in fact, NOT fricked the Demon King.

          Like I know Zeus rapes a bunch of women, but he was never depicted as if that was what he was supposed to do, it was depicted as a character flaw.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >The frick is 'pajeetslop' supposed to mean?
            Changes in the ethnic composition of the brahman caste that happened in the Maurya Empire with the fall of the old priest class because of the ascencion of buddhism and its reconstruction under the Guptas, who are responsible for the beginning of the pajeetslop texts like the Puranas and the Mahabharata.
            >Like I feel like periodically the stories stop to lecture me on why the caste system is so important and fundamental to society and how we cannot under any circumstances treat the lower classes nicely
            It's important for the historical context. Ancient India was an Aparthaid region and reaffirming this fact within a relatively primitive society without modern forms of governance was very hard without this kind of aliteration.
            >He finally does this, and when he does he accuses her of adultery because WHAT OTHER POSSIBLE REASON COULD SHE HAVE TO SLEEP IN ANOTHER MANS HOUSE, and says their marriage is over.
            From the cold point of view or Ram, it doesnt matter that she was defiled against her will or not. A man like him is not fit to marry an impure woman. She was seen as damaged and the story does imply that this was a tragedy. However, Agni sets things right and allows for them to marry at the end.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I still don't get it.

              Anyway I get why it happens. The bible stops to lecture the reader why Sodomy is bad, and why if God tells you to stone your son to death you have to do it. It's just I don't feel that Jesus periodically stops his lectures to remind the audience that if the Priest fricks the choir boy it's not something we need to be all that concerned about, you know?

              I'd also say that even in a primitive society, setting your wife on fire cause she was RAPED is fricking insane. I understand that women are property and that they aren't real people. But still, the whole fricking story up to that point (once Rama is banished) is about how she was kidnapped. If Rama was just gonna set his wife on fire when he got her back (I know she's the one who does it, but still I'm making a point) why bother with the whole war? Is it purely his ego? Something that hindusim says you shouldn't care about?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >setting your wife on fire cause she was RAPED is fricking insane
                IIRC it was from her own initiative as part of a sacred ritual. Very different circunstances.
                >why bother with the whole war?
                For vengeance and to stop Ravana for good.
                >Something that hindusim says you shouldn't care about?
                That's from the pajeetslop post-buddhism era. And quite a few centuries into it iirc.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Have you read Genesis yourself?
                They were firebombed not only for ritual sodomy, they were firebombed for mistreating foreigners, and worse still, it was a religious thing to rape those of lower social ranking, including foreigners.
                At least Polish israelites study German to read Nazi literature.
                Fans of TES try to grasp thinly veiled satanist ideas such as love=will and will forgo their own socialization to accept blue-orange morality of the Daedra for roleplay purposes.
                >I still don't get it.
                You need to at least try to wrap your head around something unfamiliar to you. How else are you going to learn? By divine inspiration?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Here's the kicker you're supposed not to question the stories.
            Meanwhile the Bible quite explicitely makes its historical persons out to be nigh unforgiveable miscreants and, if you're not autistic, you can read the displeasure in the original texts.
            Meanwhile ES is unique for going with the former. How else can anons like Tiber or Reman?

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >all elves are unquestionably evil

    Finally a setting that gets it right.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >he dosent know
    Dwarves were just elves bro. They were called the Dwemer(deep-elves) for a reason

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Ald/Altmer = gold
      >wandering Men/proto-humans = silver
      >Dwemer = bronze (they weren't blue, you dunmeraboo)
      I'm pissed they made no Meso American copper-skinned Marsh-mer.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Maybe if we have a game set in Argonia we'll find out those existed. They created a long dead race of Snow Elves for Skyrim.

        On the topic of Elves, I'd like to share a theory, though I don't know if it's the right word. It's more looking at the lore and reading something into it that's not directly stated, but I like to think there was an ancient Merethic Empire in the distant past. We know at least that Valenwood and Alyied Cyrodiil were colonized by the Summerset Isles and were one polity, alongside the colonies on High Rock. There were also likely some elven settlements in Hammerfell too given bits of Redguard history.

        This overall political body isn't really referred to as anything other than territories the Aldmer of Summerset colonized, but it's still a very massive territory. In addition you would have had the Kingdom of the Snow Elves, and Dwemereth, the Dwemer settlements in Morrowind. These could have been once territories of this Merethic Empire.

        Furthermore, St. Veloth seems to be one of the biggest figures in causing a change in their religion, when he advocated for Daedra Worship. In doing so Boethiah corrupted Trinimac turning him into Malacath and his worshippers into Orcs. St. Veloth then took his followers from Summerset, and presumably across the Veloth Mountains into Morrowind where the Dwarves already were. The Dwarves would have already been religious dssdents and Morrowind would have been the ass-end of the Empire. And along the way St. Veloth and the Chimer would have crossed Cyrodiil and the Ayliends who decided to incorporate all the Daedra into their Pantheon so there had to be some connection there too.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Mero-Tamrielic empire
          I have had a similar hypothesis.
          One solution to the Aldmeris problem was that it was Tamriel as a unified Meric state before the humans came, or returned, from A(l)tmora. My idea was that every province was already a province under the elven polity and that's why the continent looks like an "entertainment park" of sorts, given that the Towers, canonically, are little more than terraforming devices.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            That's implied to have been potentially the case prior to the war between the Gods and Lohrkhan. However, the expedition of Topal the Pilot and what he was trying to accomplish is in Altmer historic records. Thamriel could be Aldmeris after it settled into more physical form as the world was being created- hence the Aldmer couldn't 'find' it because it had become unrecognizable to them.

            That said, I think the settling of Thamriel by the Aldmer probably still happened after they were forced to settle in the Summerset Isles. So far the big gap we have is Elsewyr which certainly had close ties to various Elves but we don't know if they ever settled the area, or maybe settled into a vassal-state status. Then there's Blackwood, which historically was very multicultural with a race of men and fox-folk in addition to the Argonians though they both died out. Argonians had their Xanmeer civilization which may have been concurrent to the Merethic Empire, you may have also had some Aylied settling in modern day Black Marsh as two of their major cities have Aylied origins (that said, they were made by the Aedra worshipping Ayleids banished from Cyrodiil, but there may have still been some overlap). And Hammerfell, which was settled by the Dwarves but only after the formation of the Council of Resdayn. Some Aylied Refugees seem to have settled there, and again there could be some overlap of borders with the historic Aylied Empire. Another possibility is parts were settled by fleeing Left-Handed Elves, or maybe parts were colonized by Aldmer from Summerset like High-Rock was.

            Either way, Hammerfell, Elsewyr and Black Marsh seem to be the big gaps in this potential Empire.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I liked to think that the Xanmeer civilization was in fact the copper-skinned Mer who adopted Argonians rather than enslave them. Once the Argo-mer were gone, the Argonians took over.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's kinda like saying that ancient ruins in the Congo were made by a long lost mythic race of white people though.

                Which I can totally see other elven races like the Dunmer doing though.

                yeah every elder scrolls storyline is in it's own little bubble i think the worst example of this is skyrim's fighter guild, i forgot the name, but i remember how they talk about never having heard about you despite being in the city that raises very quickly to nobility status for killing a dragon and eating it's soul

                The Companions.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >That's kinda like saying that ancient ruins in the Congo were made by a long lost mythic race of white people though.
                Why? You almost never see Meso Americans in fantasy fiction and when you do they're lizards.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I mean from an in-universe perspective.
                >Oh there's these ancient ruins here.
                >Well clearly they couldn't have been made by the people who live here because they're of an obviously inferior race.
                >Ergo- we must assume that there's this long-lost civilization that's of one of the SUPERIOR races that built this, rather than consider that the locals might have made them.

                You know? Granted disappeared races are all over the place in Elder Scrolls, but I think it's funny to just be so racist against Argonians to assume that they couldn't possibly make stone architecture.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >they couldn't possibly make stone architecture.
                Yes.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >They created a long dead race of Snow Elves for Skyrim.
          No, they didn't. The Falmer had never been witnessed in the flesh in an ES game but they're first mentioned (in passing) a book in Daggerfall and are also mentioned in the PGE1E and Bloodmoon.

          Part of the strength of TES as a setting and much the hideously squandered potential is stuff like that, like how there was an entire expansion about a specific clan of vampires in Skyrim that used none of the established lore about that specific clan of vampires in Skyrim.

          Yeah the synod worked like the masons irl, you have to be recommended. I think the college of whispers was even more exclusive, you could only get in on political grounds.
          most of the mages in skyrim are probably self taught; there's a few random encounters like the fella with the exhausted staff of reanimation and the charred corpse with a scroll of summon flame atronach. even the college quest where you track down the previous course who all died (I think that was in Arthmoor's cutting room floor mod) shows that most magical education is self-taught and is very dangerous

          >Assmoor
          I'd take anything he """restores""" with a heaping helping of salt.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yeh Arsemore is a twat (can't fricking believe he's in his 50s) but it's deffo restored content, you can just tell from the way the quest works it's made by bethesda and there's no voice frickery. It's literally a complete quest, idk why beth cut it.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Bethesda is trash. All bethesda games (not just gayfield) is a boring copy-paste job with shallow mechanic that mistakes bigness of the sandbox for greatness.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why would I want to avoid being like the best?

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The best part about morrowind and daggerfall's setting isn't the mushroom stuff but the heavy emphasis on geopolitics and creating a big background in the setting that later bethesda did not bother towards

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I find local politics way more interesting than esoteric high-fantasy nonsense.

      It's easy to be weird for the sake of being weird. What I think is harder is coming up with why different groups have different cultures and histories, and goals that they hen want to accomplish.

      It's why I like the Empire better in Skyrim than Oblivion (though I like Oblivion in general) because they have clear and sympathetic goals. They are correctly worried they'll go to war with the Aldmeri Dominion, and want to keep a hold of Skyrim lest they become even more of a vestigial Empire. It's very sympathetic, and it's an easy goal and motivation to root for.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >magic schools are actually sorted by what they do not some arbitrary nonsense. Anyone can learn magic or magic item crafting
    This ain't true
    1. magic is actually pretty rare, it's only common for gameplay purposes. most people would struggle to even light a ciggy using magic, let alone weaponise it.
    2. accessing a magical education is pretty difficult, there's only a handful of magical schools in the entire world and they're all very exclusive.
    3. magic schools are literally arbitrary nonsense. there's even a skill book in skyrim that explains why removing the mysticism school pissed a lot of people off, and spells get moved between schools all the time. magic is a philosophy, not a science, and the schools are just a way of categorising spells, it's nothing intuitive to how magic actually works

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The Mages Guild was founded to be very open. It was disbanded in the 4th Era, and I think it's said the Synod requires you to know someone in the Empire to join, but the College of Winterhold only required you to show that you could do one or two spells. In fact, there's a good argument that the College of Winterhold's standards are WAY too low considering the ammount of rogue mages running around.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah the synod worked like the masons irl, you have to be recommended. I think the college of whispers was even more exclusive, you could only get in on political grounds.
        most of the mages in skyrim are probably self taught; there's a few random encounters like the fella with the exhausted staff of reanimation and the charred corpse with a scroll of summon flame atronach. even the college quest where you track down the previous course who all died (I think that was in Arthmoor's cutting room floor mod) shows that most magical education is self-taught and is very dangerous

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          My interpretation was more that the College of Winterhold just has an extremely libertarian approach to education, lets basically almost anyone in, teaches them dangerous magic they can't control, and then lets them run off into the wilderness to commit crimes against the Divines.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >the king of RAPE
    >subverted the god of life by RAPING a priestess of his to death and turnijg her into the first vampire
    >RAPED every first gen female vampire
    KINO

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Writers don't have the balls to include shit like this in games anymore. When was the last time rape was even mentioned in TES lore? Genuinely curious.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        When was the last time rape was depicted in a non-moralizing (or less, moralizing, I guess) way in western video games?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The Dawnguard DLC focuses on how Molag Bal created vampires by raping a woman, and how 'pureblood' vampires need to be raped by him, including Serana. I don't think she directly says the word, but it's very unambigious as to what happened (and you can understand why she wouldn't want to say 'yeah I was raped by a Deadric Prince', she directly tells you she doesn't like thinking or remembering the exact process as it was purposefully degrading to her).

        And ESO explores this directly by making that first vampire lady a major boss you have to fight.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That's surprising. I never played that DLC, so this is news to me. Thanks for the info.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The mod "Vigilant" puts a lot more focus on that specific story. Dawnguard only goes in depth into that subject on lorebooks.
            It also has Dark Souls Coldharbour which is pretty damn cool.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >The mod "Vigilant" puts a lot more focus on that specific story
              Is it lore-friendly to do that mod as a vampire? It was part of a modlist I downloaded because I didn't want to download and troubleshoot 300+ mods again after I ditched my old LE copy of Skyrim on my old computer and I haven't kept up with mods since about 2018.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Is it lore-friendly to do that mod as a vampire?
                No. Your RP in the mod is that you are a Vigilant of Stendarr.
                >modlist
                I use an altered version of Nolvus myself. It's pretty good.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Same, but from what I gather from taking a look at the tesgeneral on /vg/, most people are dismissive of modlists altogether especially Nolvus

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                To be honest, it annoys me how bloated it is in some regards and how hard it is to fix it without breaking something because of the custom patches (which is the entire reason for using the modlist) but it is just so stable and easy to use that you would have a hard time convincing me to set up a regular install nowadays for actually playing the game.
                Requiring creation club content is by far its biggest sin, though. Those addons are shit.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, the custom patches that have masters with other mods are a bit obnoxious, only removed like 7-8 esps (some of the custom companions, two of the custom homes, Imperial Mail, and Hunterborn) so far and I had to clean one of the patches to remove Imperial Mail. It kinda sucks that most of the custom homes, that I'll probably not use anyway, are masters for a patch and I'd rather not going in messing with that.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Lamae Bal's bloodline could be considered more 'pure' than the one you get by getting raped by Molag Bal
          that's basically "just" a STD

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >(and you can understand why she wouldn't want to say 'yeah I was raped by a Deadric Prince',
          Yeah, because then it wouldn't meet the rules for an ESRB M-rating

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Serena heavily implies that she was raped, she doesn't outright say it but it's obvious considering the lore and the fact she says her vampirism was granted to her by Molag Bal through a "degrading ritual" she'd rather not think back on. Although Dawnguard WAS 12 years ago...

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Skyrim. Sapphire

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Imagine /tg/ stooping so low as to hate on the Elder Scrolls, a /tg/ approved setting since forever.
    Living in the year of our lord 2024 is suffering.
    Can we just genocide all zoomers and be done with them?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      TES is accepted and respected purely because of Morrowind, and specifically because Morrowind is so compelling and unique VISUALLY.
      TES lore is and has always been shit.

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >What do you mean you don't want to crush the stormcloak rebellion, Anon?
    >Don't you want to bring stability to the province of Skyrim?
    >Is that how you honour the Elder Council?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Cute blood suckered, what's the sauce?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        it's slop

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        used Bing AI, but it has a really hard time combining japanese-style katana with roman aesthetics

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Have you tried tags like 'Gladius'?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            i'm going for an akaviri sword

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I tried using Chinese rather than Japanese so it wouldn't struggle but it just whacked the Communist flag on the fella

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Sino-Tamriel
            >Tzi'ber Xinjin attained enlightenment, and ascended to divinity as the Fourth Purity

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Gosh almost as though your fancy text extender can't actually make things that are good. Frick you. Unironically have a nice day.

            Please unironically have a nice day.

            >get a canister of helium, some rubber tubing, and a bag
            >put the tubing into the cylinder and the other end in the bag
            >turn it on
            >put the bag over your head and hold it closed
            >inhale
            >the inert gas won't make you think you're suffocating, instead you'll just black out in seconds

            You really should do it. Everyone here hates you. Your mom and dad love you, but you're such a disappointment to them because you had all this potential, but instead chose to waste it and be - well, you're not a NEET, but you're close. You're a disappointment to them. Yeah they'll cry for a bit, but in like a year they'll be happy to have moved on from the low-grade stressor in their life. It'll be even faster if you have siblings.

            You really should do it.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Calm down son, it's just a drawing.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If it was a drawing I would be more okay with it.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Sino-Tamriel
            >Tzi'ber Xinjin attained enlightenment, and ascended to divinity as the Fourth Purity

            There was a conlang anon who wanted to make Old Chinese-inspired Cyrodiilese before Oblivion hit. or maybe before he played Oblivion.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              i really would appreciate some heavy armor that hits the sweet spot between lorica segmentata and samurai armor

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Honestly I think China suits Cyrodiil far more than Japan
              Japan only ever had an empire in the recent modern period, China has had multiple empires throughout history and had tributary states as far as Indonesia. China is far more thematically similar to the Romans than what Japan could represent
              Rome was also a maritime empire with the Med sea completely contained as a Roman lake. Lake Rumare is nowhere near as large or as important as the Med even if we consider how large it could be if gameplay limitations were ignored. Conversely, China was also a sea power but the vast majority of trade and travel was overland or along riverways, which is a more appropriate parallel to the geography of Tamriel: the Chinese moved goods along coastlines, not between them if you get me.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                that's only because you're completely ignoring the Akaviri Potentates and everything that has to do with them

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Literally the only thing that the Akaviri have that makes them Japanesy is using the word katana, and the Chinese had an almost identical sword called the dao (one handed version) and the dandao (two handed version).

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    also keeps adding pointy ears

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Lorkhan did absolutely nothing wrong

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I can think of one thing
      Pelinal not killing ALL the elves

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        okay, maybe one thing

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Almalexia's pussy game must have been absolutely ridiculous.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Hey now. The dunmer aren't so bad

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Seeing how evil most elves are (even if they're not all Aylied tier, pretty much all of them are pretty down for slavery) makes me wonder about a setting where elves are straight up antagonists. Or maybe at least butthole victims seeing the downfall of their civilization.

        I think it'd work well in an Orc Campaign. Imagine: Elves are the height of civilization, creating huge empires and stunning cities, wielding great magic. However they grow stagnant with problems compounding upon themselves. Some crisis happens- lets say all the kings turn to necromancy in a ploy for immortality.

        Players are a band of Orcs who go in conquering the shit out of all the elves (the elf subjects are willing to tolerate this if you kick out the Necromancer lords- maybe also they free a ton of slaves the Elves had). Once they've taken the territory then they have to decide how many aspects of elven culture to adopt or adapt. Like your soldiers might call you a pussy for wearing elven silk pajama's instead of random furs.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You lost me until the cultural acclimation bit. Needing to choose between pissing off your clansmen and declaring chariots wicked sorcery whose use is punishable by fire sounds like great fun.

          oh yeah, completely forgot this bit too
          multiple kinds of humans in addition to the fantasy races.

          I can hardly think of even a single setting that actually does that rather than all humans mechanically the same and the differences is just flavor.

          On the other hand, those types are
          >fantasy knights and mages
          >romans
          >vikings
          >black arabs
          So they maybe could have been a little more ambitious about it, but they did add a lot of cool details later.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            i'll agree, but something is better than nothing.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I love vampire lore in Elder Scrolls
      the most common form is porphyric hemophilia, basically a daedric infection which you could contract anywhere in Tamriel, from Cyrodiil to Vvardenfell. those who caught it are damaged by sunlight, but acquire powerful abilities in return, usually superhuman strength and speed, though the effects can vary broadly depending on the "blood father" of that particular bloodline. while all vampires can be traced back to Molag Bal, this one seems to be connected to Vaermina and Clavicus Vile as well, who have been observed to be worshipped by some clans.

      Have you read Genesis yourself?
      They were firebombed not only for ritual sodomy, they were firebombed for mistreating foreigners, and worse still, it was a religious thing to rape those of lower social ranking, including foreigners.
      At least Polish israelites study German to read Nazi literature.
      Fans of TES try to grasp thinly veiled satanist ideas such as love=will and will forgo their own socialization to accept blue-orange morality of the Daedra for roleplay purposes.
      >I still don't get it.
      You need to at least try to wrap your head around something unfamiliar to you. How else are you going to learn? By divine inspiration?

      >thinly veiled satanist ideas
      Satan did absolutely nothing wrong

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Satan did absolutely nothing wrong
        One steward who got envious that his master chose disgusting flesh to shape His own von Neumann's instead of an angelic body.
        The horror. Meat.
        Better tell them they have "christ consciousness".

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        honestly, i've been thinking about elder scrolls vampire lore lately and it kind of dawned on me how much more interesting vampirism would be in the setting if the other daedra princes had their own unique forms of it.
        it doesnt really make sense to me that the concept should be exclusive to molag bal to begin with, he's just a daedra like all the rest. Why isnt there, say, a Nocturnal created line of vampires?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          there are a few different varieties of vampire, like the other anon said there's vampires connected to vaermina and clavicus vile. meridia can even be considered to have vampires (the aurorans, which do drop daedra hearts but the fluff is explicit that they were once ayleids).
          if you take a loose definition of what a vampire conceptually in in tes, a vampire is a daedra hybrid: a being with the mortal form of a man/mer but the soul/vestige of a daedra. this greatly increases the number of beings that can be considered vampires, but the only conceptually "true" vampires are the ones associated with molag bal as he was the first daedric prince (and the only one with any real motivation) to pervert arkay's cycles of life and death.
          vampires are really categorised as undead because they lack souls, which have been replaced with the daedric equivalent called a vestige. vampirism is basically a spiritual disease that replaces the mortal soul, and they're categorised as undead for simplicity: there's other beings (true undead, hagravens, briarhearts) which could conditionally be considered vampires if we focus on the "mortal that got its soul mutated by a daedra" aspect of vampirism.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >there's other beings (true undead, hagravens, briarhearts) which could conditionally be considered vampires if we focus on the "mortal that got its soul mutated by a daedra" aspect of vampirism.
            One could argue orcs are "vampires" in this sense.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Several DO have an equivalent, they just turn out to be very different sorts of things because all the Princes are very different. The most obvious parallel is werewolves and Hircine. But both of those Princes have domains for which unwilling transmission of a curse makes sense, for Molag Bal, his whole deal is domination, and for Hircine it's about the hierarchy of the food chain. But Noctournal isn't about that: Noctournal's curse wouldn't likely be something transmissible by physical force.

            dont really think of simple transformation as a vampire equivalent
            at its most basic essence a vampire should be
            >immortal/undead human
            >leeching off of some form of human energy
            >nocturnal/vulnerable to sunlight

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Clavicus Vile is also associated with vampirism. There are vampires in skyrim who explicitly got vampirism from Vile and he is one of the two daedric princes venerated by the cyrodillic vampires.
          And I dont think every prince needs to have one. It would be too formulaic.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The vampires in skyrim didn't get it from Vile they're praying to him for a solution to vampirism since it's fair to say he'd be one of the few entities in elder scrolls with both the knowledge, the means and the want to remove vampirism from people.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              let's say i strike a deal with Clavicus Vile and ask him for immortality - wouldn't the outcome almost guaranteed to be vampirism? think about it.
              it's probably safe to assume that there is more than one vampire bloodline that originated that way with the daedric prince of bargains.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                He'd be more likely to make you into a ghost of zombie. Ghost specifically feels like a good way to frick with you, yeah sure no one can kill you now and you'll last forever but now you also can't interact with the mortal coil have fun.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                that is a fair point, however i think it's not outside of the realm of possibilities and likely highly dependent on the individual case.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                He'd still not make a new strand of vampirism for it Vile is too lazy for that, whenever someone comes to him to make a deal for their benefit, he typically takes an easy route that gives them what they wanted but not in the way they intended or in a way that will cause a comedic backfire.
                In the case of a vampire he wouldn't go boom you're a vampire now, he'd give them some esoteric instructions that when executed correctly would result in them getting the disease from an existing vampire.
                The only time Clavicus isn't out to screw you in a deal is when he's the one who needs something from you and is the one offering you something he considers fair payment for the work given.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >He'd still not make a new strand of vampirism for it
                absolutely agree with that, he would definitely use the existing porphyric hemophilia strain which ultimately originated from Molag Bal. however, since the vampiric abilities within that particular strain are so highly varied (as evidenced by the vampire clans in Morrowind and Daggerfall) every person bitten by that vampire would gain the abilities exclusive to his personal variety of porphyric hemophilia.
                that way you could have a vampire clan who, for example, can excel in speechcraft and illusion magic by virtue of their strain and exclusively venerate Clavicus Vile.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                added note:

                >The Manifesto Cyrodiil Vampyrum notes that Clavicus altered the Vampire blood of the Cyrodilic vampires, enabling them to walk in daylight, and more importantly, blend into mortal society undetected, and rule it from within—if they were well fed. The details of the contract forged between Vile and the Vampyrum Order is unknown.
                >source cited: "Manifesto Cyrodiil Vampyrum"

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That sounds like something said vampire did as a deal with Clavicus, he'd certainly be interested in a deal like that as it both lets him frick over another daedric prince and the dealings of a vampire in court would be greatly entertaining for him.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Would that also explain why vampirism mechanics are so inconsistent between games?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                yes, they were infected by different strains of a highly contagious daedric disease

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                do we have a list of all (known) strains somewhere?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                there's 3 main strains, with basically limitless sub-strains:

                I love vampire lore in Elder Scrolls
                the most common form is porphyric hemophilia, basically a daedric infection which you could contract anywhere in Tamriel, from Cyrodiil to Vvardenfell. those who caught it are damaged by sunlight, but acquire powerful abilities in return, usually superhuman strength and speed, though the effects can vary broadly depending on the "blood father" of that particular bloodline. while all vampires can be traced back to Molag Bal, this one seems to be connected to Vaermina and Clavicus Vile as well, who have been observed to be worshipped by some clans.

                [...]
                >thinly veiled satanist ideas
                Satan did absolutely nothing wrong

                then you have sanguinare vampiris of course, which is more prevalent in the north, especially Skyrim and Solstheim. this particular strain of the disease is more directly linked to Molag Bal and originated from a horrifying and degrading ritual associated with pureblooded vampires known as "Daughters of Coldharbor", who even have the ability to transform into so called "Vampire Lords", increasing their health and dealing vicious damage with poisonous claws. even flying or turning into a swarm of bats isn't beyond their capabilities. victims of this disease get fatigued from direct sunlight, but gain necromantic abilities, invisibility, powerful illusion magic and merge with the shadows.

                last but not least, you got noxiphilic sanguivoria, which is by far the most powerful of the three known strains and has been observed in Rift, Rivenspire and secluded areas of Bangkorai. those infected either turn into mad blood fiends unable to control their thirst for blood or become mighty "Vampire Scions" who command over bloodsucking swarms of bats, mass hypnosis spells and blood magic, capable of ripping a victim's arterial wine straight through their steel-plated armor. whoever is infected by this daedric disease doesn't get hurt by sunlight, but is susceptible to fire damage and gets stronger during nighttime.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                ...i am apperntly blind, thank you anon

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you're so welcome

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Several DO have an equivalent, they just turn out to be very different sorts of things because all the Princes are very different. The most obvious parallel is werewolves and Hircine. But both of those Princes have domains for which unwilling transmission of a curse makes sense, for Molag Bal, his whole deal is domination, and for Hircine it's about the hierarchy of the food chain. But Noctournal isn't about that: Noctournal's curse wouldn't likely be something transmissible by physical force.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          as far as i understand, you can totally write your own vampire clan, but you have to consider that those who don't originate from either Molag Bal or Lamae Bal aren't of the "daywalker" variety and have to actively avoid sunlight.
          most logical choices would be Clavicus Vile, Vaermina, Namira or Peryite then. keep in mind that clans with porphyric hemophilia may have vastly different vampiric abilities: while the most common strain increase stealthy abilities and illusion magic, another more obscure strain might grant you better proficiency with two-handed swords and superhuman stamina. it all depends of the "bloodfather" they descended from, which is basically the primarch or first vampire of their clan.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I have written a story based on Mandaic thought that makes him a hapless copycat following Anu-Auriel around.

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    When precisely did Talos become a god? He's supposed to be made from the souls not just of Tiber Septim, but also Arctus and Wulfharth right? Sort of a trinity.
    Anyway of course Zurin and/or Wulfharth's heart was trapped in the mantella until the late third era during the warp in the west, so how does that work?
    Did the imperials just consider him a god but it wasn't until then that he really became one? Did all three souls become talos at septim's death anyway? Did the mantella being stuck in atherius play any part in it?
    I swear, of all the things I'm into no other leaves me with more questions than TES. And am I misremembering or was there some kind of official or unofficial elder scrolls RPG? I think I saw a thread on that but it was a while ago so I'm not 100%.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Depends on if you believe the Arcturian Heresy or not. And the Underking shows that Tiber Septim most definitely fricked over his Archmage, that doesn't mean his account of things is entirely accurate anyway.

      Anyway, he lived to a ripe old age over a hundred, so it's certainly not when he got into the whole 'finding a power source for Numidium' deal, as he used that to conquer the Aldmeri Dominion anyway.

      It's said he achieved Apotheosis upon his death in recognition for his achievements, but the exact transition is unclear (like with Alessia it's at least said Akatosh showed up to bind her soul in the Kings israeliteel).

      Also remember that not only is Elder Scrolls made by multiple authors with differing views on subjects, but there are multiple perspectives within the elder scrolls on numerous topics who are victim of bias, ignorance, misunderstanding, and the changing of recollections over time. The only authoritative source on how the universe works and what happens in it is if you the player character are able to physically see it. Most of what we read is probably true, but very little of it would be 100% true. Especially considering sometimes the god of time has periodically gone through a stroke.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Akatosh
        and even that is debatable

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Lorkhan is the missing god because he keeps an empty throne for his chosen champion. First it was Tiber aka Talos, then it was the champion of Cytodil who became Pelinal after Sheor's Heart aka Sheogorath transmutated him or her, and now it's the last Dragonborn.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Where does Dagoth fit into that?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          do you really want me to spoiler Morrowind for you?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Just play Morrowind moron. It's been out for 25 years and it's the best video game rpg ever made. What are you even doing in this thread

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The elves are right. Talos himself is not a god. He merely acts as an intermediary for Shor/Lorkhan, who is otherwise in a limbo state with his body forming the earthbones and his spirit in aetherius.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        With the way mantling works, that also makes him a god.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Depends on your definition of God. He is not an Aedra because he doesn’t form the earthbones. Shor does and is arguably the most relevant among all the aedra because of the events in the dawn age.

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    then you have sanguinare vampiris of course, which is more prevalent in the north, especially Skyrim and Solstheim. this particular strain of the disease is more directly linked to Molag Bal and originated from a horrifying and degrading ritual associated with pureblooded vampires known as "Daughters of Coldharbor", who even have the ability to transform into so called "Vampire Lords", increasing their health and dealing vicious damage with poisonous claws. even flying or turning into a swarm of bats isn't beyond their capabilities. victims of this disease get fatigued from direct sunlight, but gain necromantic abilities, invisibility, powerful illusion magic and merge with the shadows.

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    last but not least, you got noxiphilic sanguivoria, which is by far the most powerful of the three known strains and has been observed in Rift, Rivenspire and secluded areas of Bangkorai. those infected either turn into mad blood fiends unable to control their thirst for blood or become mighty "Vampire Scions" who command over bloodsucking swarms of bats, mass hypnosis spells and blood magic, capable of ripping a victim's arterial wine straight through their steel-plated armor. whoever is infected by this daedric disease doesn't get hurt by sunlight, but is susceptible to fire damage and gets stronger during nighttime.

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Arcturian Heresy is bogus
    it's called heresy for a reason

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >>no small races
    I'm not a huge TES guy but I distinctly remember there being little snow goblins in one of the Morrowind expansions

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Morrowind miniatures never
    :'(

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      is that a Redoran?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yes.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          fricking amazing, now make me some imperial ones

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Google "Under an Ashen Sky 28mm" and have fun.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              i'm so jealous
              i want to turn one of my elder scrolls characters into a tabletop figure

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            shit, got you too.

            I may have the name of these guys wrong.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Its harder to get the reman era vibe, which is my favorite empire, but I think these guys at least come sort of close to kirkbride's sketches. They have a similar mythic feeling if nothing else.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous
              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This guy with a headswap and no wings is a shoein for the 'colovian prince' sketch. other angel miniatures with their wings clipped could also make good light imperials of a more noble bent, greek motifes are pretty popular with angels.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                could work as an allessian order priestess

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Something more modern.

                Tbh, my take on the empire is a little far from the norm and I think its hard to find good figures for them in general. You're best off kitbashing historical greek/roman/bactrian/ soldiers and gladiator bits together with weird wacky details that match your specific vision.
                Victrix, warlord games, etc.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                nice imperial battlemage

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Its harder to get the reman era vibe, which is my favorite empire, but I think these guys at least come sort of close to kirkbride's sketches. They have a similar mythic feeling if nothing else.

              ..any female legionnaires in that set?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                sorry, not in my folders. google female roman/legionaire/spartan I guess.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      got you famalam

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        the robed guys could easily make redoran conversions.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous
          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous
            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              the 'ashen alfar' stls have great bonemold armor but the heads are a little too stylized. good opportunity to use something else, maybe these.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                forgot to say, this is the most reasonable helmet.

                Also found these guys a lot more recently. Been looking for dunmeri glass armor for ages.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                this guy from iron wind looks a LOT like morrowind daedric but I don't know how big he is. Could be a normal 25-28 mm guy, could be a giant demon thing. Hard to tell. Haven't ordered one yet.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Some of the old prepainted star wars minis would make pretty good dunmer with the right greenstuff applications. All this one really needs is a facewrap or a headswap.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Coolest potion bottles ever

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the lore book "Manifesto Cyrodiil Vampyrum" mentions the "Cyrodiil Vampyrum Order" who has managed to infiltrate imperial politics with manipulation and deception. they value concealment, and strife to remain well-fed to control their murderous instincts and better blend in with their sustenance. I suspect there is more than just one bloodline that is directly tied to the Elder Council, possibly even occupying one of the seats.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Those are the guys who appear in Oblivion. And the count of skingrad wasn’t even an evil vampire, really. They had a count but. occupying positions inside the Imperial City itself would be problematic. They have means of detecting vampires and thralls. They must hold influence from the shadows over there.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        now imagine a very old family, which can trace its roots back to atmoran refugees participating in the alessian rebellion, which also fought the akaviri invaders under Reman and in turn were knighted and awarded with a permanent seat in the Elder Council.
        they would of course be fiercely competing with the influence of more inferior clans such as the Cyrodiil Vampyrum Order and oppose their installed puppets in the Elder Council, whoever they may be.

  25. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Wasn't there a fan-made TES miniature game before the official one came out? Or am I just thinking of the RPG? I could have sworn it existed, but googling it just shows the official game.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It existed. Search for Scrollhammer

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That was it. Thanks.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://wiki.uestrpg.com/wiki/Main_Page

  26. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >this is how you avoid making a shitty Tolkien-ripoff
    Didn't they change Cyrodiil from a Roman Aztec Samurai kingdom to LotR clone with occassional Roman armor and katana because of the movies?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Partly. I'd say the issue was more they figured that as the center of the Empire they should be the most classic-fantasy and went with that in mind.

      Personally I feel alot of morrowind lore was weird to be weird, so I prefer them being more Roman and that's it. That is to say- I felt a lot more Roman elements could have been injected into Oblivion.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Samurai kingdom
      Wait what? Did the Empire really get weebized by the Tsaesci invasion? I thought only the Blades used Tsaesci arms at best.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It was said Cyrodiil was very jungly and tropical, and had a lot of chinese elements to it, while yes, the Tsaesci formed the Blades and Dragonguard that were at the heart of the Reman Empire's troops.

  27. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Most of the things you mentioned are either debatable in-universe, Kirkbride nonsense which is both stupid and arguable has nothing to do with the series or just outright false.

  28. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    oh yeah, completely forgot this bit too
    multiple kinds of humans in addition to the fantasy races.

    I can hardly think of even a single setting that actually does that rather than all humans mechanically the same and the differences is just flavor.

  29. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >no small races
    Reiklings and most goblins unless they live to be older bucks.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Those are non-playable tho.
      Trash mobs can be smol, since they arr being slaughtered anyway

  30. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Lorkhan did nothing wrong

  31. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    all that vampire talk reminds me of how last time i played uestrpg (dnd) we had to protect janus from meridia cultists and then had to deal with the vigilants of stendar showing up because deadra cultists just attacked a city "sorry the count can't come out he is badly wounded" "then have him healed i want to question him before sunset" ".... how dare you? do you know how old the man is?" "actually how old is he?" "...frick..."

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      lel
      elabor8 pl0x

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        it's been a while so long story short it's shortly after the war with the thalmor and during the war in your gm's settings the thalmor had a champion of meridia on their side, who got turned into a vampire so merida called for total vampire genocide in the cyrodiil which would be well and good if not for Janus Hassildor the third of his name(literally just the guy deciding to put a III at the end of his name because him ruling that long was starting to look silly) and our party (breton spellblade, nord bard, wood elf barbarian/ranger) lived in skingrad after janus paid us to help retake the city after the war 2 ingame years ago

        so one day a group of mages and aurorans attacks the entire city to kill 1 vampire it didn't went well and was just the start of a larger storyline however after that like half a dozen vigilants of stendar and ask what the frick just happened here because well meridia cultists are running amok across a provice and they have no leads beside us... but they want to talk to the count, during day so our nord bard tries to do charisma check, fails and then miss speaks as seen above so the vigilants obviously having heard rumors about the count before start getting pushy, the guard comes to back us up (weird feeling for something like that to happen in dnd) so the vigilants frick off

        they later tried to form a angry mob and apperntly got stoned for threatening janus by the very mob they been trying to form and then thrown down a well

        needless to say we avoided vigilants of stendar like the plague for the rest the game

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >if not for Janus Hassildor the third of his name(literally just the guy deciding to put a III at the end of his name because him ruling that long was starting to look silly)
          HELL YEAH!
          did the same lovecraft-tier thing for my primarch, making him change names during the reign of the alessian order to obfuscate his immortality

          pure kino, anon, wish i was there

  32. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm going to go full Kirkbride on a fantasy setting I've been writing. So far, it's been pretty standard medieval fantasy, but frick it, I need something more interesting. Going to move the setting forward a while like C0DA.

  33. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      yes i think molag bal get's a unnecessarily bad rap

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        for me it's hermaeus mora like is it really his fault when you try to take more knowledge from his realm than you can handle?

  34. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    that reminds me i haven't played the mmo, but i heard there is a vampire... prestige class like thing? so what's that about?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's a skill line you get if you're infected with vampirism. It CAN be pretty decent.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        vamp tank ftw
        undeath is downright broken

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >It's a skill line you get if you're infected with vampirism
        explains why the uestrpg have so much trouble with it then, first they tried to make it (and lycanthropy) a prestige class with subclasses, then they tried to rip off grim hollow's transformations and now they made vampirism a set of boons

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >then they tried to rip off grim hollow's transformations and now they made vampirism a set of boons

          that's the same thing anon. Grimhollow's transformations are just feat chains from 3.5 repacked like a prestige class with growing downsides in addition to buffs/features

  35. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      reminder that the first submod for elden kings 2 was a fan removing her chaste trait

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >elden kings 2
        so sexy

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Morrowind players will always tell you about how you can roleplay as anything until you tell them you want a vampire player character. the amount of mods i had to install isn't even funny anymore.

  36. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the argonian whet-fang clan sounds interesting
    they paralyze their victims first to suck their blood later
    not sure whether or not they worship molag bal

  37. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  38. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    how big do you think the cities in cyrodil are outside of engine limitations?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Based on old lore including stuff from ingame books many cities are wet farts compared to how they actually should look like if not for engine limitations.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      most cities probably sit around 100k population
      imperial city is maybe ~1 million+

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Most major cities having around 50k in the urban center. The biggest cities in Tamriel would have a few hundred thousand, including the rural outskirts. Imperial city probably 500k.

      >I hate Emil but putting all the blame on him is moronic when clearly it's company culture that everyone should end up doing everything without a guideline to keep everyone on track on how it should be done or to keep quality similar across the board.
      But the problem is that he can receive some blame both because he enforces and encourages that (it's not just Todd) and BECAUSE HE IS IN CHARGE OF THE WRITING. If the writing of a game he is in charge of is shit, like Starfield, it is his responsibility. He is accountable for the bad, just like he would receive the praise if it was great and beloved. That's what being in charge means. You're responsible for the end result because you control the people under you, even if you're not the one that penned the cringe line of dialogue.

      All of Bethesda's decentralized stuff just means it's hard to point exact fingers at individuals for specific quests, but Emil doesn't stop being responsible for the product because he has people under him. He is responsible for managing them.

      No, you got it wrong. It wasnt his decision to only have him as the main narrative designer of the game. This is a wider structural problem of the company that ultimately traces back to Todd. The upper management should had figured out his deficiencies and proceeded to correct them. Either by demoting him or, ideally, making a dedicated writing team.
      But, honestly, I dont know what I would do. Adding a writing team would probably just end up filling the company with dangerhairs and the likes.

      >It was Todd decision to stop having a design document not Emil
      Emil pushed for that as well; he said so in his GDC presentation. You can lay any number of sins at Todd's door but Emil bears no small amount of culpability for that brain-dead decision.

      Nah, that was taken out of context. In that case he talked about a linear documentation in form of a game plan, not that they dont write down anything at all. Bethesda uses dev wikis to make their games, and we know that at least Skyrim had "some" (a single page lmao) form of base document with the general bullet points of how the game would play out.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      A few cities have been described
      The Imperial City has a population of half a million according to MK.
      Solitude is the second largest city in the Empire, so 110,000-500,000 range.
      Daggerfall's population was recorded as 110,000 during a census in 3E401.
      As Cyrodiil is the capital province, I assume it is far more densely populated than other territories.

  39. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Kirkbride needs to stop being jerked off. He wrote good shit, but the writing people actually interacted with were written by people like Ken Rolston and other quest designers. Everything post Morrowind sucks ass because there's no actual passion or love for the juxtaposition between the high fantasy lore concepts and the low fantasy mundane life regular citizens live and the true-to-life paradoxes and weird idosyncracies that everyday people have. Dunmer were Morrowind's base people, but they were still made to feel unique and bizarre while still being humanized. Imperials were made fricking stupid boring by Oblivion, and then Nords were reduced the same. Elder Scrolls lore fricking sucks because now over half of it is written by people who don't give a single shit about consistency and care for the setting they're writing for. all the shitty TESLoreslop is parroted by redditors and youtube surface reviewers when the most interesting shit is when you analyze the text as given in-game. stop posting shit threads.

  40. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    why would some useless aedric dickhead like Auri-El answer Alessia's prayers?
    makes no sense

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The Aylieds initially worshipped both Aedra and Daedra (which is why Alessia was an Aedra worshipper to begin with). However a couple centuries prior to the Alessian Slave Rebellion the Aedra worship was officially outlawed in the Empire (and remaining Aedra worshippers driven into Black Marsh).

      Then many of the remaining Aylieds started mass sacrificing their slaves and summoning hordes of daedra and undead and doing lots of real squicky shit.

      Ergo the Aedra decided to back their overthrow. Akatosh gave visions to Alessia, and together they made the armor and weapons for Pelinel Whitestrike.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Akatosh gave visions to Alessia, and together they made the armor and weapons for Pelinel Whitestrike
        yeah, no, that's a common misconception because it was actually Lorkhan

  41. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Was it ever explained why cyrodil became a grassland instead of jungle like it had been described as in the early games? Out of universe I heard it was in part because of hardware limitations for oblivion but was there an official explanation?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      yes

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        something something dragonbreak, talos reshapes cyrodiil yada yada

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes but depends on if you take ESO lore as canon or not, if you don't take it as Canon it's explained that Talos himself changed the climate of Cyrodill from a Jungle to a temperate forest after he achieved Godhood.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Either:

      Someone made Cyrodiil being a jungle up from whole cloth, and it always pretty temperate.

      OR: Tiber Septim retroactively made Cyrodiil more temperate upon attaining godhood because he preferred the weather in High Rock and Skyrim.

      Heimskr actually references this in his speech about Talos, specifically the part where he goes 'I DO THIS FOR YOOUUUUUU RED LEGIONS!!!'

  42. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The Dragonborn is the Shezzarine, full stop.
    Think about it.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      i mean also talos stormcrown acording to the greybeards and that one ghost you can meet so why not

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        it makes a lot of sense that you would kill Titus Mede II. in the name of Sithis
        it's Lorkhan himself acknowledging the Shezzarine's claim to the throne

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Wrong, he is Talos reborn, the son of Shor. Frick you and your knife-ear terminologies.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >he is Talos reborn, the son of Shor
        yes

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The game literally and explicitly tells you you're mantling a shezzarine, so yes. It's also probably why someone thought to have you get your soul on the hook to Hermaeus Mora in the last DLC, so they don't have to have the Dragonborn around to genocide the Thalmor and sink the Summerset Isles.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Hermaeus Mora can fight with the other daedric princes over the Dragonborn's soul, but in the end Shor will have the last laugh

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Shor will have the last laugh
          What is his end goal? Had to have created the world for some reason right?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            maybe he just loves agency

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >What is his end goal? Had to have created the world for some reason right?
            Amaranth.

  43. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the Illiac Bay in particular is teaming with different vampire clans who have varying abilities
    like the Lyrezi-clan of Koegria in High Rock who master invisibility and silence spells or the Montalion-clan who are capable of teleportation

  44. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    of course you also have the Aundae-clan of Vvardenfell, powerful elven wizards who are affiliated with House Dres

  45. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    who for example remembers the dreadful shapeshifting vampires of the Bathogorgen-clan of the Telvanni Peninsula, who are said to have been active during the Interregnum and went extinct at the start of the Third Era?

  46. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    AND THEN HE MADE LOVE UNTO A HILLOCK UNTIL HE DIED

    K I N O
    I
    N
    O

  47. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The Magic Schools it is complete nonsense.
    Ignoring that they've fricking changed from title to title, many enchantments don't need soul gems to stay functioning, and no enchantment requires a human soul, just the soul of a chicken can literally make you walk on water.
    There is 0 fricking reason why magic is not omnipresent on nirn because it's stupidly fricking easy to do.
    >tippyverse
    3.5 was and always will be brainrot on the ttrpg scene.

  48. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    should i just take the L and get a scrollhammer figurine from heroforge?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I really wouldn't.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        not like i had any alternatives/people to play scrollhammer with anyways

  49. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    cool stuff

  50. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How would you all port the setting of Morrowind to be something more modern? Best I can come up with is making the houses into various strata of interconnected political parties and interest groups, some kind of Japanese-style constitutional monarchy, and using soul gems to power the modern advancements (although that's mostly bullshit).

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