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>Xenoblade 3 is a shitty story
Wow, such a revelation.
the first 3 or 4 hours were good.
None of the Xenoblade games had a good story
>resorts to attacking the entire franchise when people trash on 3
Kek, truely the Crossgays of Xeno(blade).
XC3 is literally the Chrono Cross of Xenoblade.
It's an unnecessary sequel with a bunch of pretentious bullshit about fusing universes and other shit that the writers didn't understand.
Haven’t played saga but all other xeno games have good stories and 3 has the best storytelling and one of the best stories.
Holy shit no, are you guys seriously dragging Chrono Cross to XB3's level? Actually frick off, XB3 is trash and Cross was pure kino
>XB3 has a bunch of stupid irrelevant recruitable side characters
okay fair on this part of the comparison though
>Actually frick off, XB3 is trash and Cross was pure kino
the mind of an xb3 hater is truly something to comprehend
>the plot is more schizo so it's le better
Can’t they both just be pretentious trash that fail to understand why their predecessors worked?
XB3 isn't even pretentious, it's remarkably straightforward.
Like, Xenogears is more pretentious with literally just how many plot elements get brought up, introduced, MAYBE explored for 30 minutes and then dropped or fade into the background, and that's to say nothing of Takahashi's first attempt at playing around with freudian psychology and gnostic concepts.
It's an embarrassment of riches but it's also clearly his first project as director and writer.
The Blade games really lighten up on how heavy the world-building and lore dumps were with Gears and Saga. You get a lot more general development of the ideas of the story through character interactions in all 3 blade games (and even XBX) compared to the exposition dumps and flashbacks that Gears and Saga really relied on. The flipside is that the themes are focused on the human element more than the high-concept shit that exists outside of the parts relevant to the immediate plot
>The Blade games really lighten up on how heavy the world-building and lore dumps were with Gears and Saga.
And somehow they're all so fricking boring and stories have now devolved into trite shounen manga the power of feefees bullshit. No more kino self destructive protagonists like Shion Uzuki, say what you will about her the nuance of her character over the course of those three games completely blows any Blade trash out of the fricking water
>XB3 isn't even pretentious
MUH FEELINGS
MUH ENDLESS NOW
>feelings
That’s corny but not really pretentious.
>endless now
Not even a particularly self important theme, unless you consider anything short of escapism to be pretentious
It’s pretentious because it clearly thinks it’s very smart in the way it presents itself
Literally yes, XB3 is just moronic fanservice wank shit and Future Connected was literally MCU tier moronic and the only redeeming factor was the Xenosaga references
XB3 and Cross are two sides of the same coin.
Takahashi and Saga unfortunately like Kato's garbage since they worked together in the past.
>Takahashi and Saga unfortunately like Kato's garbage since they worked together in the past.
Which is good, that's literally how we got Kinosaga, not XB3
none of the xeno games do honestly
BUT IT HAS KIRITO AND ASUNA!!!!
>only "friend" is a chimp that treats her like shit too but was TOTALLY trying to give her good advice in the process and she just missed it.
Ghondor a monkey shit.
>school shooter has a dumb reason
no shit
I could have saved her..... I WILL save her in the new, united world post-DLC.
>image
I WILL NOW BUY YOUR GAME
SEX
A character simply cannot be taken seriously if they have twintails.
This is immutable fact.
That's why they're usually killed or raped for it
>Disenfranchised artists joins military later commits genocide
Many such cases
I see the superiority of my game has led to some controversy.
t. homosexual Pseud
Who did it better?
They're different. Hammer is just acting out of fear and self-preservation. He's afraid of the big bads, knows they're really powerful and tries to pick the winning side. Shania's isn't acting out of fear but out the idea she'll get another better chance at life. Hammer is making the best out of his current circumstances, Shania is trying to hit the reset button.
Shania because the scene where she shoots herself is fricking kino
>the scene where she shoots herself is fricking kino
Not really.
>Defiantly laughing at heroes as they try to save her
Adachi wishes he was as cool
Hammer because he gives me a nice item.
No wonder twittergays love her.
I don't think anyone likes Shania.
I like Shania and I also hold the opinion that welsh cat girls are for homosexuals
i can fix her
You can't even fix yourself anon.
Could you really. It wouldn't be enough to just praise her art. Both her father and even Ghondor did that much. Even telling her to put down her sister's gun wouldn't work because again both her father and even Ghondor did that. She was stubborn enough to become an ourboros candidate through determination not talent. Could your will alone overcome that?
yes
What if Hitler was an anime girl.
all's forgiven
Why would anyone not like her? The only problem here is that she was not given a bigger role in the story.
She's a psychopathic school shooter and betrays the party
>But she's a bad person
Yep. No one likes traitors
Yes, and? Did you want a story with no antagonists?
No moron, no one fricking said that. Why are Shaniagays like this?
>no one fricking said that
Your complaint is that an antagonist is doing antagonistic shit. What kind of fricking argument is that?
moron, the argument is that she doesn't deserve sympathy. Not that she shouldn't be a villain. Fricking dipshit.
Who the frick said anything about sympathy, moron? Liking a villain doesn't mean you sympathize with them.
Posts such as
clearly try to excuse her actions lmao
Why are Shaniagays so disingenuous?
>post that isn't even in the same fricking reply chain
>didn't defend Shania either, just called Ghondor a shit
Cool story, moron. Just admit you want to ape out over nothing.
>reply chain
This isn't reddit, newfriend. We don't have "reply chains" here.
>NOOOO, YOU CAN'T CALL A REPLY CHAIN A REPLY CHAIN, THAT'S LE REDDIT THING
No argument then? Stay mad, homosexual.
I accept your concession, now go the frick back.
Still no argument, keep chimping out.
Uh, maybe next time actually play the game before trying to defend it, frickbrain.
The game spends so much time trying to make you feel bad for her, when she's just and evil vindictive loser.
No, the problem is that the b***h stole the spotlight from best girl in the later's own quest line.
Sena gets the most involved hero quest and colony so it balances out.
>school shooter
>fails
>kills herself
pretty based tbh
XC3 lost.
>muh Shania
The most forced """""""sympathetic"""""""" character I have ever seen in my life
I could save (read: cum inside her and hope for the best) her.
>cum inside her
>"uhhh anon did you finish? I can't feel anything"
it'd go more like this
Imagine getting pranked by two people who share a braincell.
She'd feel it you homosexual
Frick you, you dont know me
More like:
>cum inside her
>you don't feel anything
She is cute I don't care.
If you had a "friend" like Ghondor you'd probably end up going insane and trying to kill everyone too.
>NOOO I DON'T WANT FREE WILL I WANT TO BE A PUPPET AND NOT BE SCARED ALL THE TIME BECAUSE I CAN'T DEAL WITH MY FEELIN- ACK!
>XC3
>pro freewill
That’s a laugh
>Franchise about free will and not being shackled by the past
>Ends with everyone following the plans of a jolly old demiurge with everyone predestined to create the city people again
Don’t ask questions. They all just want the same thing in life again even though they’re not living in Hell anymore and will live lives under completely different circumstances. There won’t even be uncontroallable happenstance that causes deviation because reasons.
Frick you Takahashi. I hope your narrative of boomer whining, about how the next generation needs to fix all your generation’s rot and mistakes and give you grandkids was worth smearing your ass on XC1’s narrative.
It's about the free will to choose a better predestined path. That's why Noah and N were super special, because they had weapons infused with magic candy crystals (pneuma/malos) to change the future against magic amusement man.
If you can choose the path than it's not predetermined. Dumbass
>It's about free will but not really free will
Yes.
Trinity cores were a mistake and making every game ultimately revolve around them was a terrible decision
Ding! Ding! Ding!
We have a winner!
What Xenoblade 2 did with them was pretty cool. But forcing it into 3 and even beyond (supposedly) still somehow existing diminishes Xenoblade 1 and 2 imo
Doesn't even make sense since the Zohar fricked off
You what? Origin works largely thanks to Core Crystal technology, and the Trinity Processor cores control Core Crystals. With Ontos being the center of control for Origin it makes sense that Pneuma and Logos would be able to influence him, it's literally their job, Conduit or no.
>Zohar
This isn't Xenogears you fricking homosexual.
>he missed Xenoblade 2
>he doesn't know what Vector is or who Yuriev is
It's a spiritual successor so there will be references, obviously, but there is no Upper Domain, there is no Zohar, no U-DO, no Wave Existence. There's the Conduit, which is fairly similar but still different from the Zohar, and people with similar names and personalities to the characters from previous Xeno games, but it's not a direct sequel. Hell, even the radio is just fanservice. When XB4 comes out, if I'm proven wrong, then you can call me whatever the frick you want, but as of right now, you're a fricking moron.
Seriously, nothing a Jap has ever written is pro-freewill
I like how Ghondor bullies her into suicide.
ghondor sexo
icky shitnaia
Oh yeah that cash grab came out. Hopefully they will fix it in xbc 4
Xenoblade 3 killed Xenoblade threads
No. If you mean thread quality, it's not like 2 threads were much better.
Yes. Most threads are still about XC2, XC3 barely gets threads and when it does they die prematurely.
https://arch.b4k.co/v/thread/676324694
you mean like the thread about 2 a couple minutes ago that just died prematurely?
I can't remember the last Xeno thread that was actually about 2. The closest you get the photo. 9/10 threads devolve into well this bullshit.
>the photo
Cause of a million fricking problems. Made the homosexuals who ruined discussion about 2 feel like they were in charge. And gave the false-flag gets who spurred them on vindication.
The shitposters would shitpost with or without the photo. It ultimately meant nothing as far as the quality of threads.
It turned homosexuals who would’ve fricked off to another FotM with attractive women had their groupfap circle been ignored into mainstays that we have to deal with regularly.
Frick ‘em.
Launch window 2 threads were great. 3 threads were garbage from the start.
they're the same shitty threads we've been having for 10 years now, the schizos just keep hopping to different topics
I stopped playing after upgrading the ship, right before heading to the maelstrom. There is way too much mediocre side content and I'm too autistic to just ignore it and finish the game.
Other than Z having a funny exchange with the party there's not that much worth seeing. There was too much padding with the colonies and hero quests, and very little of it is worth seeing.
Z doesn't talk to any of the party members in Side quests. Anon would have to actually enter the final dungeon and finish the game for those exchanges.
Yes, I know. Anon complained about not wanting to go through the padding to see the ending I'm talking about the ending segment, when he says he did it just to have a giggle, while also pointing out that the side-quests are boring.
Well Anon isn't just stopping before ending segment. He didn't stop at Z he stopped before Origin. Meaning his missing out on Melia stuff, N stuff, The Mecha
Who fricking gives a shit?
Eh, N kinda sucks after you mindbreak him. I'll give you the crazy shit during the final battle though, that was pretty good.
See a man post mindbreak is pretty kino. The way he tries to double down. You don't often see that. Because usually it's mindbreak then death. But you get a bit aftermath and that's fun.
Yeah, a Xeno game revolving around a trinity. Fricking ridiculous.
>number same to other plot device so story good
HURR
It is a slog tbh so I don't blame you. Although I liked nearly all the hero quests. Just too much filler quests but that's a XB, and also the filler quests are nowhere near as offensive as previous titles.
Also, the final dungeon is extremely uninspired.
You're almost at the end. The upgraded ship moves you into Origin, which is the final dungeon.
Yeah but I still have like 5 colonies to max out.
Meh, the ending is shit anyways.
There really isn't that much and there's a lot of stuff that you can only do in the postgame.
God damn Origin is a fricking slog though. Maybe the worst, laziest dungeon in the entire series. Felt like I was playing a Tales of game, it was that bad.
Final Dungeon is pretty good. Definitely long but it's gets the climactic feeling down.
I think design is good but the theater needed to be a full segment like Memory Space and Elysium. It's just a boss fight. That said, Z is easily the best last boss mechanically
I'm not sure about that. You could trim origin a bit for a longer theater segment but the final boss is itself a marathon.
>There is way too much mediocre side content
I don't know how anyone can think this when 3 has the best side content in the series next to X, its sidequests are far more memorable, especially the hero quests.
>3 has the best side content in the series
That is an incredibly low bar. The Hero quests are nice but there's still an insane amount of quests that are just "walk here > kill 3 enemies > talk to person" and fetch quests.
>3 has the best side content in the series next to X,
I don't agree with this at all. 2 sidequests were better than 3's.
Name 5 good sidequests from 2
Eric is awfully uppity today, did something happen to Sony?
I can fix her.
No you can't. You can't even fix yourself.
Shania is my fix.
>rapebait correction the girl
3 fricking sucked, I do not give a shit what anyone tells me. I legit thought that the reason it doesn't look as good as 2 was because they were spending most of their time with Tears of the Kingdom only for that to have barebones content. The frick is happening at Monolith?
> I legit thought that the reason it doesn't look as good as 2
Get your fricking eyes checked
>Wanting to tell me the map of 3 looks better than their previous games
nta but I agree: 3 looks better.
3 is too many greens, browns, and greys. If they sky were perpetually overcast it’d have a color palette straight out of Gears of War.
Nah. Aieta and Fornis are green and brown excluding Aieta's snow area and Fornis's desert sand locales. But Pentelas is a nice mix of jungle and urban remains. Cadensia is big ocean tropics. Less variety than 2 or maybe even 1 but still decent variety.
World design in 3 was so shit I can't even remember these names
if you talk about "looks" people are going to think about the visuals, which 3 definitely does better than 2
if what you meant was "map design" then yeah i can understand that
The environments are the only thing in 2 that look better and they came at the cost of being smaller and segregated in a menu.
>it doesn't look as good as 2
What? It's far better than 2. If anything, I wish Monolith went back and applied the same upscaling solution they used for 3 so the game wouldn't render at potato mode half of the time.
Blade3 and Totk were duds. Who could have thunk non restrictive budget and time would lead to mediocre products
no mechs
no buy
simple as
Literally the only game beside X with playable mechs. Hell, MC literally pilots Weltall
>playable mechs
Ouroboros aren't mechs you disingenuous homosexual shill.
Ouroboros is more supersentai than actual mechs. I tried to lie to myself with your perspective but it's not the same. I NEED more shit like X.
They have guns and steel weapons. Many series have biological mechs
Shut up moron. They aren't mechs.
I mean ever heard tekkaman blade. That was in Super Robot Wars W. If that counts Ouroboros does too. .Hack has epithaths and that's assuredly mecha.
Ouroboros are "mechs" in the same way Titans are mechs
Considering 2's has titan weapons. Hell yeah.
Still not mechs and never will be, no matter how much copium and mental gymnastics you use.
>MC literally pilots Weltall
No he doesn't, Noah's moebius is nothing like Weltall.
Like I said, XC3 shills are the most disingenuous posters on Ganker.
Ourorboros whatever
Xenosaga 3
Just downloaded this. How do I play at 60fps? I hear there's a mod for that but it messes up cutscenes or something since those are supposed to run at 30.
Shania did nothing wrong. Imagine cucking yourself to eternal nothingness after you die instead of being blessed with the cycle of rebirth lmao what morons.
Tbf, I can see it make sense for Joran. He got reborn and got a shitty end in all cases. One of the worst scenes in the game was Joran in Chapter 6 telling this to the party, and Noah has the audacity to write it off and say "Those were all just coincidences". And then later in the series of cutscenses, Joran says what they were saying to him was akin to saying "But Mister Worm, you do such great work tilling the soil", and Lanz was the audacity to say "And what's so wrong about that?".
What is wrong with being a worm and tilling the soil. Worms are extremely important to the cycle of life. Without them where would we be. If Aionios is a world where a worm isn't allowed to be a worm, then it Aionios that needs to change, not the worm.
Joran literally addresses this in his spiel at length. He doesn't want to be a worm. He wants to be a bird like the others.
But the thing is he didn't. From the flashbacks we know Joran did things like skip out on training to do his wood chipping shit. Being a bird in Aionios meant being a soldier but clearly Joran didn't enjoy being a soldier. The way the world was constructed made Joran's talents seem worthless when they weren't. That's the real issue.
There is a 6 person limit to iterlinking. There's just no limit to ourboros powers themselves. Stuff like master skills master arts are just ourobos powers.
>There's just no limit to ourboros powers themselves
Proof?
You literally see Matthew turn two soldiers into ouroboros. Keep in mind that Rex, Shulk, and A all exist at this point. So to does Na'el. And from Side Quest in FR we know that other city people also have ourboros powers. They just don't use them as much because upgrading blades became more important during that time.
It changed after FR when Nikol and Riku modified it. Rewatch the last scene of FR.
What changed was interlinking which was an entirely new ability they didn't have up to that point. Anyone whose ouroboros still has the associated boosts like added skills, arts and fusion arts.
>Anyone whose ouroboros still has the associated boosts like added skills, arts and fusion arts.
Only in FR, not 3.
In 3 the city people specifically said they haven't used the egg on anyone.
They don't need to use the egg because City people are born with those powers. Matthew and Na'el didn't use eggs they had their ouroboros powers at birth.
>Matthew and Na'el didn't use eggs they had their ouroboros powers at birth.
Not him, but source? When was it said they were born with it?
it's stated that Ghondor has been training Na'el and Matthew since they were young to use ouroboros powers. We also know everyone in the City has in because they make it a point that upgrading blades has become preferred over training as ouroboros. It's not explicitly stated they were born with it but you can't justify the counter argument.
No, you're wrong.
No I'm right. Cope.
I can prove you're wrong. When Gimmer ask if the ourboros stone will let them use "that power" referring to the mass interlink. Nikal responds that the photons have limited capacity. Which is why there's a person limit. The ending says nothing about the basic ourobros powers like added arts and skills. Only that the interlink is limited.
>it's stated that Ghondor has been training Na'el and Matthew since they were young to use ouroboros powers
That doesn't mean they were born with it. He was saying he was training them so that once they are granted the power, they will know how to use it.
But they were using it in the training flashbacks. And what about the other city who state they after seeing Matthew they'll start training their ouroboros powers as well. You can justify that by claiming that ourboros stones were somehow common enough for every member of the city to get a boost back then but no. That's too far a reach. Monica outrights states that her and people of the city are ouroboros. Specifically ouroboros descendants but still ouroboros. Implying that the main game party and the city people are the same.
>But they were using it in the training flashbacks
Because they got the power before the flashbacks. But they were training since they were kids, even before they were given the power.
>And what about the other city who state they after seeing Matthew they'll start training their ouroboros powers as well.
Also not born with the power. Given to them after birth.
>That's too far a reach.
How?
>Monica outrights states that her and people of the city are ouroboros.
Ouroboros as she says it clearly doesn't mean the same thing as the ouroboros power. They are decendents of Ouroboros users, so they call themselves Ouroboros, but they don't literally have the power like the Founders did.
>City people are born with those powers.
Not after FR moron
They're not born with it, the stone is what enables people to use Ouroboros powers. At the start of FR anyone can use those powers, as long as they're not bound to a flame clock. After the ending, Nikol and Riku limit it to 6 people at a time.
No they don't. The conversation about the limit regards the interlink not the powers they were using throughout FR.
Go back and watch the conversation where Riku explains the ouroboros stone, he explicitly says it's what enables them to use ouroboros powers and amplifies them. There's not a single scene where they claim people are just born with those powers.
A cosmetic isn't going to really cut it. And after 700 gold coins later there is nothing after that.
I liked that XC2 allowed you to burn excess experience on shit. I wish they kept that.
Of course, there is always the option to just go play another game.
for
Riku doesn't say they. He says that the stone "can deploy and amplify ourboros powers". Zero indication that they stone is necessary. There's not scene where they say pepole are born with ouroboros powers to my knowledge but there's tons are circumstantial evidence. The fact that more than six people have ouroboros powers in FR and the person limit was specifically in reference to interlinking.
>Zero indication that they stone is necessary.
>Stone "deploys" the power
Not him, but ????????
The stone deploys the power to new people but it seems like you can technically train yourself to use it since Ghondor does on his own.
The idea is that you can sort of awaken the Ouroboros power through three ways
>Fists of the End (presumably because of Pneuma's core)
>Ouroboros stone (using a piece of Origin + Nia's core)
>Training (if you're a descendant of Ouroboros already)
The stones seem to be able to charge up to 6 people I think at a time, and only those with the capability to be one (hence why they also have a test to train people to become Ouroboros in the City). It's not clear how the training works
That's the very definition of "deploy", do you need a dictionary?
Deploy
>To bring (forces or material) into action.
>To position (troops) in readiness for combat, as along a front or line
>To base (a weapons system) in the field.
Meaning that if you don't already have ouroboros powers, you can get them from the stone.
Having a method to deploy troops doesn't mean you can't already have troops deploy or that there aren't other ways of deploying the,/
>if you don't already have ouroboros powers
Which is 100% of people who have not previously interacted with the stone.
Except the descendants of ouroboros. Who get it from their parents.
Nope. By that logic, all the people in the city should have the Ouroboros power in Noah's time, yet they don't.
They do. Why do you think Grey is Ethel and Cammuravi tier in strength(He's able to hold his own in a 6v1).
And it's a 6v1 with the 6 being veteran soldiers boosted by the stone.
Neither Ethel nor Cammuravi have ouroboros powers. Being strong doesn't require you to have ouroboros powers at all.
But they're basically the strongest soldiers in all of Aionios. Explicitly stated to be on par with some consuls. It's circumstantial but it's than zero evidence for the counterargument.
Tora is building mechs
>Tora is building mechs
And? Why would that preclude him from owning a country, like Nia?
It's not like Nia actually does any work as queen. We literally see her asking Melia to go calm down Agnian soldiers instead of doing it herself.
Your arguement is the one with zero evidence. Not a single City dweller, not even Guernica, showed an inkling of having the Ouroboros power. They have the changed iris, but that is it.
FR shows us city people and tells us that they all have powers. In order for your theory to be true either every city person would've needed to have gotten boosted with a stone, knowing that the stones are very rare.
>tells us that they all have powers.
Because they were given it by the egg, which didn't have the 6-person restriction at the time. Then by modern times, when the egg is restricted, now all of a sudden nobody shows any sign of having Ouroboros powers. Gee, I wonder why. A real thinker this is.
Which would mean that they upgraded the stone to be less effective. Even though the entire point of the upgrade was to enable it to create more photons and amplify ourobros powers.
>Which would mean that they upgraded the stone to be less effective.
Listen, I don't know why they made it so only 6 people can use it. All I know is that before they did so, a lot of people had the power, but now that they limited the number of people who can use it, now NOBODY other than those 6 can use the power at all, even though according to the opposition theory, they should all have it through descent.
You don't know why because your theory is garbage. City people get ouroboros powers from their parents
>City people get ouroboros powers from their parents
Then show proof dumbass. Literally no one uses Ouroboros powers after the 6-person limit is made. Because the obvious thing is that no one has powers anymore because they can't get them from the stone now, which contradicts your whole theory about literally hundreds of people having the Ourboros power from birth.
Well the only people that can use ouroboros powers are city people and the main 6. Only the main 6 are playable.
But you get heroes from the City and they don't use any Ouroboros powers either.
Rex and Shulk also lose their ouroboros powers as heroes. This is a game play limitation, not a story limitation.
>non-canon appearance of characters
Why don't Gray, Monica, or Ghondor use any Ouroboros powers as heroes?
Gameplay limitation. Heroes don't get added skills. fusion arts or any other bonuses. Notice how Rex and Shulk don't get to keep their fusion arts from FR.
But the heroes use their own versions of the arts. For example, Gray can use vengeance, showdown, and executioner which the party can't, so they're clearly fine with the heroes showing off their own abilities. Why can't they use Ouroboros powers?
>are city people
Proof? Because it was true before the stone was limited to 6 people, but it doesn't seem true afterwards. I don't see any City person use the Ourboros power.
>Which would mean that they upgraded the stone to be less effective.
By what logic? Before, it let anyone get a little bit of power, but now, it lets 6 people get a lot of power. If people got the power when they were born, then that would actually be a bad thing because it doesn't concentrate the Ourboros power into just 6 people perfectly since thousands would be siphoning off a little bit from the primary 6.
Ouroboros powers are not shown to work that way in FR. When Nikol and Glimmer get them it's explicitly stated that their hidden potential is being unlocked. Nia states that the powers themselves are just gimmicks with the true power being the heart of the wielder. Ouroboros powers themselves are just amplifying the inner wills of the users.
Not him, but I don't actually believe we are expected to literally take it as fact that everyone has the potential to use magic Ourboros powers and that that potential is just locked away.
Why? Nia calls the powers gimmicks. She says that stuff about the heart of the user being what matters.
I interpreted that as just trope stuff akin to "Your unique magic powers aren't what make you special. It was your STRONG WILLS™ that really make the difference".
Well your wrong. Xeno series is predicated on a magical space cross giving randos reality warping powers.
Even though heroes get different names and sometimes different animations it's still the same art the main party gets. And also for the same reason Triton doesn't learn monster arts or skills despite being a soul hacker. Hero characters are nerfed.
That required N and Matthew's combined fist/sword of the end. They needed to upgrade to stone to achieve a similar power to those combined super weapons.
Nope, Triton has alzheimers and can't remember shit, it makes sense why he can't learn new skills. Why don't the City heroes use Ouroboros powers?
Triton can't remember shit is the reason he only has a limited art pool on recruitment. That doesn't explain why he can't get any of the soul hacker arts the party obtains through the game.
>They needed to upgrade to stone to achieve a similar power to those combined super weapons.
But how does that lead to them needing to restrict the stone to only 6 people? Especially if the stone is being portrayed as a "unlock potential" device rather than a "give power" device?
They're not restricting the stone to six people. They're powering up the still but it's only enough to give 6 people the power to interlink.
Does the stone get power back when one of the 6 die? Because otherwise, I would expect the stone to be able to recharge and eventually give people beyond the 6 that power too.
Stones don't recharge. They're one use. Otherwise that one stone in the founders museum thing wouldn't be a prop. And city people wouldn't need to go out and collect stones.
Then why do they act like 6 is some magic number when it allegedly is possible to get more than 1 stone for more people? In fact, they should be stocking these stones so that can have a small army of interlinkers.
At the start of the game you see that Vandham and his entire team die trying to get one stone back to the city. Clearly just stockpiling those things is easier said than done.
My point is that they should be deploying the stones when they have more than 1 so that they can have a large scale offensive with like 30 Ouroboros users or something rather than failing or centuries with just the 6.
There's literally zero reason not to immediately use a stone upon getting one. Without a stone Moebius are the only ones that can interlink, giving them a massive power advantage. Keep in mind that J&D were able to fight off the party of six interlinked. A feat that puts him on part with Ethel and Cammuravi operating their mechs as a duo. Not having an equivalent power for a long period of time just to stock pile is idiotic. We don't know the exact time frame for how long it takes to get a stone but it's likely exceptionally long.
Yeah
What seems to be the function of the stone is the ability to encode them with the same new information, so the Ouroboros powers get progressively stronger and stronger. You could look at the unity abilities that are unlocked after Nikol and Glimmer fight with Shulk and Rex as one more step closer to full interlinking since it's an ability that is only unlocked after the ouroboros stone gets their data.
>Ouroboros powers are not shown to work that way in FR.
Then what was the 6-person limit for?
Interlinking. Only six people can interlink. The weaker shit like fusion arts are free game. City people get freemium ouroboros but you need to buy the special stone to get the premium interlnk powers. It's Nia sticking true to her gacha roots.
>Interlinking.
You see an interlink at the end of FR before the 6-person lock happens though.
Not only what
, but Matthew was a part of that interlink, and you were saying he was born with the power and not given it by the stone. Yet you are saying the stone is need to interlink. So by that logic, he did use the stone.
Matthew needed N's sword of the End for that. He can be born with the power but need it amplified to achieve interlink. Just like how Nikol and Glimmer needed to battle their parents to unlock additional skills in spite of already getting ouroboros powers from Matthew.
There's a lot to interpret with what N's SoE actually did but given that Ouroboros power is basically like getting greater system admin privileges, you could assume that the ability to fully interlink is basically something they got access to because they actually changed the rules of Origin to allow it (the same reason the Ouroboros stone itself has a gear or Origin inside)
That's not what ourboros powers are. All the admin stuff is elusively with Alpha and Z. Ouroboros powers are just those that exist outside the umbrella of Moebius.
Based on the answers from the XB3 artbook, Takahashi says that the source code of Aionios can take the form of a sword (the Sword of the End for instance), and if we connect that with what Nia says about how the Sword of the End is a similar artifact to the Ouroboros Stones, it isn't hard to extrapolate that Ouroboros power is also a power derived from Origin's source code.
Takahashi also says that Aionios isn't really a simulation. And that that example is only being used because it works to explain shit currently.
Sure, but my point is that if Nia is drawing parallels between the Sword of the End/Lucky 7 and the Ouroboros stone, and the SoE being likened to a piece of the source code of aionios in usable form (not unlike the Monado as a 'key' to the controls for Mechonis/Bionis). Hell, I'd argue that's why the SoE look the way they do: they're the result of Melia resonating with the heart of Origin, so it's a tool she created for those resisting Z to fight back and it's taking the shape of a similar tool from her memories.
My point, again, is that Ouroboros powers seem to have some relationship to Origin, especially since the underlying core of an Ouroboros stone is literally a gear of Origin.
I guess the closer equivalent is the way the Elden Ring is the 'source code' for the Lands Between and can be altered or stolen or held to give power to yourself.
For the same reason that Ethel and Cammuravi are strong. They are all just strong people forged by training, Ouroboros or not.
>They do.
If they did, show me any of them using the power without needing the stone.
>Being a bird in Aionios meant being a soldier
That is not what Joran interprets it to mean. He was a soldier. He just was bad at it and also kept dying early in addition to being bullied by his peers. He wanted to be a good, successful member of Keves, which he was never able to be.
>clearly Joran didn't enjoy being a soldier
True, but at least part of that was because he was bad at it.
>The way the world was constructed made Joran's talents seem worthless when they weren't.
True, but just because his innate talent isn't appreciated doesn't mean he is wrong to feel bad about his life(s) and want to be respected. People who were focusing on his carving talent were sidestepping what his actual issue is. He has frustration about his life in Keves, and instead of addressing it, you are just ignoring his concerns about wanting to improve and just saying "It's fine that you are a piece of shit who can't improve no matter how hard you try. You should just stay in your lane with this other talent that you have." I acknowledge that in a world without Moebius, he could just be happy with his innate talent, but that still doesn't address his issues about endeavoring through adversities.
>He wanted to be a good, successful member of Keves
Which he can't be because that requires him to be a soldier
>True, but at least part of that was because he was bad at it.
And he was being forced to do it in spite of being bad at it and not wanting to do it.
>True, but just because his innate talent isn't appreciated doesn't mean he is wrong to feel bad about his life(s) and want to be respected
Which none of them deny. They're saying Aionios needs to change so that people like Joran can have their talents appreciated. They want Joran to be respected for what he good at and likes doing. They want Joran to have another route to success of killing people.
>They're saying Aionios needs to change so that people like Joran can have their talents appreciated.
You're not getting it. This statement can be true while it also is true that he was unable to improve himself and forge himself in the Keves society even with multiple lifetimes. Yes, he could be respected if he lived in a world that respected his innate talents, but even with that said, that the fact that he has seemingly shown an inability to make something of himself in the Kevesi society. I'm sure many of the case have talents that are not combat related that they would have if they didn't have to go to war all the time, but even so, they managed at least in some lifetimes to become good soldiers though effort. But not Joran. Joran was the only one who couldn't forge himself. And that is also why only with Joran do they say "It's fine if you aren't a good soldier, you have other talents". That is an aspect of his frustration. Even if the world gets changed and now his innate talent becomes appreciated, he can still have the negative thought that he was unable to change himself and succeed like the others in the Moebius-controlled world - he literally has to have the world change for him because he was too ineffective to succeed himself.
The problem is that the world changed in a way that fricked over Joran(and mybe others) in particular. In the original worlds Joran wouldn't have to be a soldier. It's an entirely manufactured issue by Moebius.
That is true. But while I agree it is a manufactured issue, it was still something he could - and did - feel badly about. Ideally, he would never have even been in that situation to begin with and he would just live a normal life pursuing his talent, but since he did go through with this warped life, he now got to see that was not able to change himself like the others in that environment even with multiple lives to give him chances, and that frustration with not being able to change and succeed (I get that we are talking about a warped war-world scenario here, but still) is a depressing discovery for him.
>What is wrong with being a worm
Worm meant being bullied and dying an ignoble death every single lifetime in this analogy.
"I understand completely."
I could have fixed her
>shania thread
>every other post is "i can fix her"
based?
other post is "i can fix her"
Only 2 people posted that. I think you are really bad at counting. Maybe you should retake 2nd grade.
No, the proper reaction is "I want to make her worse".
Imagine looking for Shanias amnesiac reincarnation and bullying her into killing herself again and again
She'd have some recollections of your past bullying attempts. She's not like Joran she has some competence in combat. You only have a couple iterations before it ends like the second Wild Ride encounter.
>two pathetic losers who want to be artists
Joran and Shania are literally made for each other
Shania can actually fight. She became an ouroboros canidate. Made top 10 or somewhere close. Without Moebius buffs. And based on future redeemed just being ouroboros unlocks hidden potential. So Shania is a supersolider but normal moebius soldier standards.She probably loses it after switching sides though.
Less to do with the world design and more to do with the story. 2 name drops urayan titan, Mor ardain titan pretty constantly. Because they're living land masses. But in 3 with everything being interconnected and the travel from individual regions being pretty seamless. They mesh together more. You don't think of regions individually you think of it all as Aionios.
Given that FC showed that the Ouroboros power can be activated by a single person and that you interlinking wasn't a soulmate-like pairing, why didn't any of the cast try interlinking with other people? Like, lore-wise, there doesn't seem to be anything preventing Noah and Lanz from interlinking as an example.
They want to have sex with their interlink partners.
Nikol and Riku changed it after FR
The six person limit didn't exist during FR, either
Why was the 6-person limit instituted again?
So the plot could use it for drama when the city people get mad about it.
>Nikol and Riku changed it after FR
Well, them making it so that you can't use the power at all unless you interlink was shitty.
Why do XC3gays always type like such pretentious douchebags?
Because you have to be one to think 3 had a satisfying story
Because I am more intelligent than you.
hahahahahahahahahaha
Jap writing relies heavily on trying to "justify" a villain s background through some shitty some story because of muh honorabru Samurai mentality or some shit.
>n-no you see she was just following her ideals and trying to live her truth
They can't just let someone be an butthole.
More like it's how Japs view anyone who isn't strictly conforming to traditional Nip culture. Any slight misstep, and they're an evil monster degenerate.
They're not making the villain sympathetic, rather they're demonizing these outsider non-filial piety traits.
She DISOBEYED her elders, and in Japan there's no greater crime
I dunno, D was a pretty fricking huge butthole. Z had some (very well) hidden depths as well but he even said himself that he did it for the lulz.
3 has a really solid cast and interactions but a premise instead of a story. In fact, you know 90% of the story just looking at the original few trailers.
Who is the true enemy? It's Z.
The Consuls are monsters called Moebius and are using Keves and Agnus to fight a neverending war.
The protagonists can merge together to become super beings known as Ouroboros.
Keves and Agnus are the worlds of Bionis(?) and Alrest merged together.
Everyone is clones.
N and M are actually Noah and Mio.
The queens of Keves and Agnus are Melia and Nia.
J is Joran.
People can fall in love and procreate.
There are really good character moments like Eunie finding the husk of her previous self and the trauma that stems from it, or the party seeing what babies are for the first time, but the game simultaneously tries to have mysteries but have them only be mysteries for the party due to the circumstances of their upbringing and not for the player.
>3 has a really solid cast
Stopped reading there
This is fine because 3 is telling a story of internal conflict first and foremost. The enemy of the game is the main party's own psychological hang-ups.
>The enemy of the game is Noah's own psychological hang-ups.
FTFY
Yeah, but as a conclusion to two actual adventures that were more than just the pretentious boomer navel-gazing it feels really fricking lame.
My problem is that the world, while physically larger than the other numbered games, feels much smaller because the game is a premise. Individual colonies have their individual characters and stories, but they don't feel as big or diverse as something like Alrest. Argentum, Gormott, Uraya, Mor Ardain, Leftheria, Indol, Tantal, Morytha, the World Tree, Torna, they're all filled with their own identities and cultures and themes. They all look and feel different.
I'd argue that the colonies feel more different even though they look more similar.
I think the thing about XB3's world that could have helped it a lot is making the Ferronises bigger and putting them in locations easily visible from a distance, as landmarks and points of interest the same way the World Tree or Mechonis were in 2 and 1. If Ferronises are the 'Titans' upon which people rely and live on in 3's world, they should be used to give some sense of scale and scope to the world
>I'd argue that the colonies feel more different
They don't, you fricking apologist.
2 years on and you dickriders are still making excuses for XC3. How fricking pathetic
>They don't, you fricking apologist.
Not a counter argument
My argument for 3's colonies feeling more distinct is that the actual questlines they have are generally more differently structured and more focused than the city quests in 2. The only general city quests in 2 are the Garfont mercenaries stuff (which is kind of stretching it given it's more attached to an game mechanic), the conspiracy in Mor Ardain and the post-Chapter2 clean-up quests in Torigoth
i bought the cat
I am waiting for them (probably forever) for them to make bird.
The Mio one seems to be selling quite well so maybe there's a chance.
The story and main cast of 3 were shit, but i liked the gameplay so it was enough for me to finish it.
>i liked the gameplay
.....really?
Yes if was fun to run around and kill shit constantly leveling up different classes.
XB3 has my favorite gameplay of the series too, only surpassed by its own DLC
There's things I'd improve obviously but on the whole, I found it more involving than 2's or 1's. The main issue with 3's is that it doesn't have the hit-stun and SFX Juice that XB2's combat did. XB2 had a lot more impact on hits than 3 or 1, so even if the gameplay was kind of basic at times, it felt satisfying
3's actually has more moving parts and potential for weird and fricky builds but the impact of hits and abilities and effects isn't as significant
My issue with the gameplay is that apart from character base stats and growth rates, a class is interchangeable on any character. You have access to the same Arts and Skills and classes across any character. Compare that to 2's weapons where Rex, Nia, Mòrag, and Zeke all use weapons completely differently to one another. Twin Rings plays differently on all of them.
That's partially true but the actual Arts are more homogenous in 2 because it's not actually that important to maximize damage from them when the grand majority of your damage is going to come from Blade and Fusion combos (outside of chain attacks that is).
Like, the animations and attack names are distinct, which is cool, but the only really significant part of any of the weapon arts are the combo ones for break, topple, launch and smash or the healing ones.
All damaging arts are basically operating the same, there are no buff or debuff arts really. I do like the potion-drop system, it's a nice way to make healing more active
Understandable
Please be my wife
Hating Xenoblade 3 is one of the most forced, boring stances you can take. It doesdn't make you interesting, doesn't make you smart. The whole thing is so obviously forced and orchestrated by some partiuclar shitposters and you ll fell for it. Really sad honeestly.
>so I HAD to gleefully try to murder everyone I've ever known
This is just how lots of school shooters are. They either have fricky family lives or fricky school lives and end up getting radicalized by something or other.
But it's OK because you didn't ACTUALLY manage to actually kill anyone, so we forgive you :^)
Nobody forgave her. Ghondor was just sad she couldn't get through to her in the end, but it was clear that she was still pissed at Shania for all the shit she did
It's just fricky that that entire story-line got wrapped up using Sena's side story, sidelining Sena almost entirely
It's okay because Sena hijacks the whole Colony 0 plotline
Yeah but it does balance her involvement well with Segiri's growth. I really liked that colon questline. I like how each colony had its own structure to its quests and progression, it was cute
Loving Xenoblade 3 is one of the most forced, boring stances you can take. It doesdn't make you interesting, doesn't make you smart. The whole thing is so obviously forced and orchestrated by some partiuclar shills and you ll fell for it. Really sad honeestly.
Ganker abhors 3 because it dared to tell them it's never too late to change themselves
>shitty boomer apologist game about how the new generation is responsible to clean up their parents big stinky frickup world while they sit on the sidelines, and then make them the grandkids they're owed
>whitepilled
Case in point
>it's never too late to change themselves
The game talking about people getting multiple lifespans and thus effectively living for centuries says this?
XC3gays will eternally be mad that it didn't grow the series, like XC2 did.
Yes, some people don't want to "grow" their series by letting in a bunch of normalgays.
Quick reminder that the auto attack cancels still exist in 3, you just now need the Steady Striker gem equipped for them to work.
>boot XC1 completed file
>run around in my sharla bawdmog and experience comfy cozy kino, nothing to really grind for but it's aesthetic
>boot XCX completed file
>run around in my bawdmog AND fly around in robot AND still complete things, you really think you 100% the game?
>boot XC2 completed file
>smash that homosexual ardun to infinitely roll for some cool common blade, game is still fun
>boot XC3 completed file
>uh...wow this is boring. oh go play the gauntlet i guess, unless you're a poorgay LOL. oh and no bawdmog sorry
Wish 3 had a real kind of grind endgame for autists. Instanced battles don't cut it.
they added an endgame grind for autists, it's called getting N's armor
it's basically the same as smashing the ardun in 2, except now you burst the final superboss forever
>everyone laughed at her at the end of XC2
>then in NG+ she gets on the main ending screen
>then she returns in XC3 as a major faction leader and got Rex's seed
>her daughter is literally one of the main protags
>Pyra and Mythra don't even get to appear in XC3 at all and Pyra's daughter is just dlc
Was this the greatest reversal of all time?
It still boggles my mind that she became Queen. It doesn't make sense that she out of everyone became the queen. It seems like the writers just arbitrarily put her in the position just to act as the XB2 "2nd girl" parallel to Melia.
It's because nobody else who was unafiiliated with an existing country wanted to do it.
Zeke had to go back to Tantal, Morag to Mor Ardain. Tora wants to just make new maid outfits for Poppi, so that left Rex, Pyra, Mythra and Nia. They drew sticks on who would have to do all the paper work in Elysium and Nia drew the short stick, so she was stuck with the job
Why did they even need one? And really? Not a single soul on Alrest opted for the position?
Well it's a little like Switzerland: a coalition government to stand as an intermediary for the interests of existing nations like Uraya, Tantal, Mor Ardain, etc. And for why nobody else opted for it, you'd presumably have to get the buy-in of the other countries to recognize a new government, so it would have to be someone that at least Zeke and Morag could convince their regents to vouch for. I'm also assuming that an ageless ruler is maybe preferred over a typical dynastic one
>it would have to be someone that at least Zeke and Morag could convince their regents to vouch for.
What person worth their political salt would sign off on Nia being a viable candidate?
She did save the current leader of Mor Ardain's life. She's not exactly a nobody.
Doesn't mean she's qualified to run a nation.
Lots of soldiers have saved the emperor's life but they didn't get their own nations.
Not many soldiers revived the emperor after he experienced death.
So? Everyone else in the party saved the world too. Why doesn't Tora get his own nation?
>giving nopons a country
nice try, israelite.
>Why doesn't Tora get his own nation?
Tora is the shadow master of the world anon.
nopon don't need nations when they own the world(s)
Presuming people had some sense of what Rex and his party did, I have to imagine Nia had SOME clout when getting the support of others to be the leader of the new land
they thought it was funny, like those towns that have a dog as a mayor
imagine having this dumb cat as your ruler
Nia isn't actually moronic. You all know that right? Just because she's a bit rough and tumble doesn't mean she's a moron.
Royalty largely delegate their tasks to begin with.
>15 TP
She's moronic anon.
That would mean Shulk(20TP) is stupider than Mio(25TP)
And?
He chose Fiora rather than Melia, so yes :^)
>He chose Fiora rather than both Fiora AND Melia
FTFY
Mio choose Noah.
Yes, but the opportunity cost was greater in Shulk's case.
He got called a dumb-ass by Matthew of all people. Those are negative gains anon.
Atta boy
the fact that noah isn'tsmiling in the picture taken with him, his wife and his newborn son is just fricking hilarious to me
genuinely autistic, nobody can tell me otherwise
Fiora said it herself: Shulk has no taste.
Melia can still win.
It'd be funny if In XB4, a blonde character is explicitly Melia's child, but they never address who the father is.
>implying Klaus saga characters in XC4
I though he just said the story arc was over, not that it wouldn't continue from that world. Klaus does a frick up, and by the end of XB3, the frickup is "fixed". Now they can do other stories in that world.
Sure, but the characters from this trilogy won't be in future games, aside from maybe Malos.
FR was very clearly a send off for the old cast.
>but the characters from this trilogy won't be in future games
Melia's child isn't in this trilogy as far as I am aware.
Melia's child wouldn't be present without Melia and she won't be in the next game.
>Melia's child wouldn't be present without Melia
You mean like how Fiora's child wasn't present without Fiora? (Don't bring up the sword. We know that doesn't actually count as an appearance.)
>Fiora's child wasn't present without Fiora?
Shulk is there, so 1 parent is present.
What about Panacea appearing without Rein or Sharla? Or Linka appearing without Zeke or Pandoria?
The only way they're ever going to avoid the antiqua bloodline dying with Melia is setting the game thousands of years later and implying that a new character is Melia's extremely far removed descendant with no details given
Aren't some of the High Entia thousands of years old? She's only 88 she still has time to have a kid.
Multiply human age by 5.5 to find High Entia age, no, they don't live to 1000
>The only way [headcanon]
Shulk is very engineer savvy but he's sort of dumb in other regards
Mio being as smart as she is is a wonder of breeding and inheritance because both her parents are tards
Mio is a meathead. Her special talent is running really fast. That's how she introduces herself in chapter 2.
She's definitely competitive and athletic but her intelligence is normal level. I'm not sitting here claiming she's a genius but she is sitting here with 100IQ when we know both her parents would be lucky to score in the double digits
>Nia isn't actually moronic
She canonically has the same intelligence level as Lanz and Sena, lmao
>Royalty largely delegate their tasks to begin with.
Right, so Tora could delegate his tasks to his bots
Imagine her stink
>It seems like the writers just arbitrarily put her in the position just to act as the XB2 "2nd girl" parallel to Melia.
Because that's exactly what happened.
The story doesn't even address it because the writers knew any explanation they gave would be silly.
At the end of the day that's the main motivation. They had Melia and needed someone to stand opposite, and Nia fit the bill best. We can make meme theories about how she's Rex's wife or whatever but she was just chosen for the Melia stuff.
Same for Melia wearing black. Blade Nia (and Torna designs in general) were white so she kept that, then Melia was given black to contrast despite her having almost 0 connection to that color.
Both their queen designs are S+ tier though so it's all good.
No, it was cringe, dampers all the 'true love' shit thegame also tries to peddle, and it made the worse sect of 2's fanbase (the people only here to jerkoff) outright unbearable.
Burn haremshitters.
Drown haremshitters.
Crucify haremshitters.
Make haremshitters ride the lightning.
Execute haremshitters via firing squad.
Strap haremshitters inyo the F-Zero assisted suicide pods.
Same, I'm happy for her.
>Same
What are you "saming" moron? He asked a question
Why the frick does Glimmer act like Mythra when she's Pyra's kid?
kids acting like their aunt/uncle isn't unusual.
You'd know this if you had a family that loved you.
I act like my parents by the actually loved and raised me instead of being degenerate swingers.
She doesn't. Mythra is just tsundsre, Glimmer tried to actively sabotage the party by betraying them to Agnus
I love how every single XC3 thread has people arguing over story details because the game is so fricking vague
But meanwhile it's defenders will still insist it's a good story and makes perfect sense despite no one agreeing on the details
that's good, can't really discuss rebirth or ff16 stories with how dogshit these are.
How does the heroine death fakeout become even more shallow with every passing xenoblade game
in 1 it had a gameplay impact, and it was resolved like 40 hours after it originally happened
in 2 and 3 it gets resolved in basically the same cutscene where it happens
Just more proof Takahashi needs a tard-wrangler like Iwata to tell him when his ideas suck.
You still have to go through the spirit crucible without Pyra/Mythra and could still frick off to do side quests. By 3's design you can't run around the world without everyone present.
The timeframe for resolution doesn't equal depth. 2 and 3 have the benefit that because the death occurs later, you have more time to get close to the heroine giving the death more significance. It's a common critique of 1 that Fiora, because she's gone for so long, doesn't get as much time to develop as the other characters.
And immediately the hitting the undo button doesn’t equal depth either, but at least in 1 it served a narrative purpose regarding the enemy faction.
It serves the narrative in 2 and 3 as well. With 2 it's the culmination of Pyra/Mythra's death seeking shit. 3 it's the term limit crap having limited time.
>main series needs to explain every single little detail
>Meanwhile X drops 10 unresolved plot threads in the last 5 minutes then leaves
enel status?
>boohoo muh girlfriend died so I'm going to be evil now >:(
N is just a worse Jin
She died like several times though. After the 15th time I can see why N'd go that route.
So what? Everyone in Aionios dies. N's suffering isn't unique or special. He's just a self-centered little b***h
Ironically this post shows a fundamental misunderstanding of both characters, but Jin moreso. 2 is my second favorite xeno game but it’s unfortunate that so many of its “fans” completely fail to even begin to understand why its good.
>why yes, im kino
The people of the city mention having the power during Matthew's time, but during XB3's story, not a single one of their descendants mention it, instead acting like it is exclusive to the 6 selected elites. That's not a coincidence.
So, was Colony Mu just like a joke colony?
a cute and funny joke
Literally got a migraine listening to Colony Mu's constant fricking kvetching, I felt like I had a dream about that shit. No way a real person actually wrote all that horse shit
Mu is interesting because after the hero quest, there's basically an active attempt to distribute responsibility amongst the whole colony so that Fiona isn't overburdened. And the entire ascension quest is Fiona realizing she has to suck it up and just deal with the stress of leadership if she wants Mu to survive
>Matthew is so strong that his first feat is low diff soloing 2 Moebius
>somehow I'm supposed to believe he jobbed to Moebius while the incompetent base game cast didn't
But it was mostly A who low diffed.
XC3 threads feel like they're full of bots.
I swear I've read all of these posts before.
When you’ve reached an impasse about the decisive opinions on a game, that tends to happen
What's the point of these threads then? Just autism?
This is Ganker
Being angry at each other is second nature here.
Repeating the same discussions over and over again. Each thread dies only to be reborn and made to relive the same experiences. Is this the endless now?
Maybe if the game’s plot didn’t suck balls we could move past and speculate about the next one.
>Be Shania
>Become Moebius
>Win the luck of the draw and get the most busted power of all the Moebius
>Gary Stu's protag sword just happened to negate her ability
Unfortunate.
I've heard worse reasons.
>Shania is shown to be comically evil, to the point that she laughs at the thought of the City getting slaughtered
>throw in a pity bait scene right before she dies so she's "sympathetic"
Why do they do this? They did the same thing with the Torna team in 2.
>Shania is shown to be comically evil, to the point that she laughs at the thought of the City getting slaughtered
That scene is very clearly Shania having a breakdown though. N does the same thing, with his original creator rant.
Doesn't change the point
Neither N or Shania are evil. They're saying insane shit because of duress.
They're definitely both evil.
>failed artist
>gets a snazzy uniform
>attempts genocide of an entire race that everyone has already tried to kill
>blows her head off
Literally Xeno Hitler
See what I mean?
Every XC3 thread has hundreds of posts where just argue over obscure plot details because it's so fricking vague.
Can't believe people have the gall to say this story is actually good
>But how does that lead to them needing to restrict the stone to only 6 people?
That really isn't a plot hole at all, more like autistic nitpicking at something that really can't be explained without moronic amounts of exposition.
Do you also need to see everybody pissing?
The "vagueness" people complain about exists in every story.
>really can't be explained without moronic amounts of exposition.
Sounds like a bad choice for telling a story, then.
No, or do you need the exact amount of food the crew needed in the odyssey to survive to make that story good?
These details literally don't matter at all, it could be any reason.
It seems like you literally want to be force fed every single bit of exposition in the world, including who made the shoe laces.
>r do you need the exact amount of food the crew needed in the odyssey
Not even remotely comparable.
This would be like if the limit on Titan Shifters in AoT was just never explained.
>Not even remotely comparable
Wrong and I accept your troonycession
>no argument
Cope.
Meant for
Meant for
>having to explain major plot occurrences of how we got to places in a sequel and conclusion story is comparable to CinemaSins nitpick bullshit
How’s Takahashi’s butthole taste?
What you are doing literally is.
Cope moron.
I accept your troonycession that you lost and got raped.
Most sane XC3 shill
Go on, call him "Eric" too you mindbroken shitstain.
Are you just in every Nintendo game thread? I was tired of you in the Zelda discussions.
Wouldn't surprise me. Xeno seems to attract the same kind of weirdos who have a parasocial, if not parasexual, relationship with the cast that Zelda does these days.
Hmmm....
Seems like a suspicious overlap between xc3 haters and schizo Zelda seethers.
It's probably a discord shitter lol.
Ask a Cyberpunk and NTWEWY gay
>This would be like if the limit on Titan Shifters in AoT was just never explained.
>Example straight from shonenshit
Handed your own ass back to yourself, read an actual fiction book and then come back complaining about how "plot vagueness" brings down a story.
When it's the main power the party is using throughout the game I would expect a bit more explanation on the rules of how it works. How are Mio and M both able to interlink with Noah as the normal Ouroboros form? M is not Ouroboros.
So is the food in the odyssey.
>where just argue over obscure plot details because it's so fricking vague.
>anon thinks that because the story isn't laid out explicitly and there's room for interpretation that it's bad.
I will say that Xenoblade 3 is maybe a bit too much show-dont-tell for most people but it's not like the answers aren't present, they're just not handed out in an eleventh hour exposition dump or in the second disc that came with the box
>but it's not like the answers aren't present
No that actually is the case. You just don't realize because so many people here cope with headcanons.
You probably saw headcanons posted here a bunch and forgot they're not actually in the game.
>No that actually is the case
Citation needed?
>a bunch and forgot they're not actually in the game.
Like half the head-canons were literally confirmed by Takahashi in the artbook. People said that Logos showing up was schizo tier headcanon and then it happened
>Like half the head-canons were literally confirmed by Takahashi in the artbook
Such as?
I just listed one about Malos but another, even early on, was that the Origin metal literally held people's souls, and that ended up being true too.
And there were also some headcanon from 2 that were disproven like the Guldo that Rex and co beat at the end of Chapter 8 being Galea's other half left in Morytha
Who cares. You morons forgot about all the other schizo headcanons like "Cammuravi is Rex's son" or "Crys is Shulk's son" or "Ashera is Reyn and Sharla's daughter" because it's convenient for your arguments to ignore them.
You're missing my original point: the answers for questions exist, often in the game itself. A wrong hypothesis on the part of some players doesn't mean the answer doesn't exist at all, it just means some people came to the wrong conclusion
A degree of ambiguity in the story isn't a bad thing and I'd argue the core events that are relevant to the plot's themes and the characters' arcs are pretty unambiguous
>the answers for questions exist,
Why is Nia the queen?
Because nobody else wanted to do all the paper work and Nia is trash at rock paper scissors
>Because [headcanon]
>[headcanon]
correct, until Takahashi gives us the answer he's sitting on.
Someone's interpretation may end up being correct, which is where the fun of putting together theories comes from
They'll never bring up Nia being queen because the cast isn't coming back in XC4.
And the writers wouldn't address it anyways, because even they know it doesn't make sense. They just did it because they thought it would be cool to have Nia as the queen. That's the only reason.
>That's the only reason.
Why do not care about writing their legacy cast beyond making morons clap and beat their meat?
Because the headcanons the moronic troony xc3 haters are talking about are just basic media literacy.
some deductive reasoning is required to understand something more complex than Mario.
I'll say that not everything in XB3 is really that obvious but it felt purposeful to not distract from the actual main story since, especially in a setting like Aionios, loading the characters up with details that aren't relevant isn't very helpful to the story or the stakes
That's kind of my point, that's the level we're dealing with. Takahashi is kind of schizo-pilled when it comes to leaving hints for things.
A lot of those details would literally have been irrelevant and detracted from the story.
like seriously, the amount of people an ouroboro stone effects is some giant plot hole?
I agree. There are scenes where Nia is explaining how Origin works and manana is literally passing out
He also confirmed that Lanz is a mechnia. That was a really contentious point of 3. Whether Lanz was inorganic or just a weirdo with weird skin.
>but it felt purposeful to not distract from the actual main story
But the main story was ass. Of course I'm going to focus on all the shit you don't bother explaining that ties these story entries together when the individual main plot of this newest one is shit.
Didn't ask.
not all questions need to be answered by a story, especially the ones asked by trannie like you
>But the main story was ass
sounds like a you problem
>People said that Logos showing up was schizo tier headcanon
To be fair, a lot of that book was schizo headcanon tier stuff. Like the Fiora sword thing.
> People said that Logos showing up was schizo tier headcanon and then it happened
On top of this FR added validity to “fan theories” of the world that were heavily implied in the main game, such as Origin being humanities innately flawed attempt to recreate the trinity processor. Despite this some people still can’t come to terms with 3’s hands off storytelling approach. To these people, any characterization of Moby Dick beyond “big whale” would be dismissed as headcannon, it’s simply impossible to argue with such an anti-intellectual approach.
>show-don’t-tell
>people who defend the story aren’t even consistent with one another on how certain plot beats happened
The fact that people can argue over the specifics of how some powers work is a good thing. Quoting specific lines, giving interpretations blah blah blah, is way more fun.
PLAY STUPID GAMES
WIN STUPID PRIZES
If there's one thing that XC3 absolutely nails, it's the fricking facial animations. Holy shit, Monolith has come a long way since the blank expressions in XCX.
More Shania or Mio?
Eunie
Cute couple
is a bimbo
A seething catgay wrote this.
Nia is FLAT
Mio and Nia won though??
Shania will never be our psycho
Why does Elma like that decision?
She likes the "wait and see" actions.
She gets a heart bump when you agree with Alex's plan to genocide Xeno's. She thinks Alex's plan has merit.
>Spess meharine Elma
This is why I'm an Elma person
She got tamed by jap dick before the world exploded and is human supremacist.
Manon are eating all the fricking pizza.
Elma loves humans, she chose to save humans, boosted their tech, has her own donut steal humansona, and exclusively fricks human men
>left all the wingheads and robot abominations to die on the planet and only saved humans
>entire plan is ruined because the computer exploded and now she is left with a bunch of useless dickless robots
a fate worse than death
The lifehold was able to create a cat. It can still create human I think. It's just that the people who were uploaded into it are gone.Mira is a collective unconscious hellscape like Aionios
FR already gave an answer to every mystery.
Black person, if you didn't want to give answers, then don't make a sequel that creates a bunch of questions.
XC3 defenders are the most disingenuous posters on Ganker.
True.
Personally I'm waiting for the hour long video essay on how Mumka- I mean Dirk is actually a very serious and well written character
When will they finally let CHOCO be lead character designer
>Everyone wears gay ass jackets for half the game before you can get anything that even slightly resembles power armor
We need to return to X
You get Ethel's coat, Valdi's stupid pants, Grey's cape, Zeons armor by chapter 3.
Ethel's coat looks terrible on everyone except Ethel
Frick you Mio looks like a fricking Goddess in it.
She's a worthless slampig prostitute, just like her mom.
Nah.
Even Mio's actual outfit looks better on Eunie than Mio.
Mio's most kino outfit is the m consul outfit
yes but i also like how she looks with taion's scarf
XBX being a pseudo MMO was a very interesting concept for sure
XCX2 protagonist btw
>XCX2 protagonist btw
Was this actually planned or are you just saying that
He made it up obviously.
Why are some of you homosexuals more gullible than boomers on Facebook? You just believe any random frickin post you read in Ganker??
Because I want to believe.
Why did they decide to give us the debuff specialist during the late(r) game when more enemies than ever are immune to debuffs?
Do you rike it?
I'm pretty sure I can recognise multiple different posters here because they make the exact same posts in every Xeno thread.
Didn't ask.
Oddly enough, all the negative ones.
almost like a certain Eric
Yeah I can recognize all the recycled shill posts too.
So how will Lanz and Eunie cope when they outlive everyone post merge?
>So how will Lanz and Eunie cope when [headcanon]
>denying surface-level lore from XC1 to defend XC3's shit-ass writing
It is headcanon. Lanz and Eunie could get fricking murdered a year after 3 for all you know.
We don't know how their ages work, they could have shorter lifespans due to being mixed breeds
Melia's genes are 80% Homs and she's 88 in XB1. Machina live even longer than High Entia, and the Homs integration would be at a much lower percentage.
Machina can change their lifespans at will. There's a sidequest about that.
If they want them to have shorter lifespans, they'll just do it. Just like how they made Nia the queen. It doesn't have anything from past games to support it, but they just did it anyways because they wanted to.
This is the same thing.
>Just accept the moronic plot canyons because we want this new story to connect with the other ones.
Nope. Don't think I will.
Sound like a you problem
>stop being invested in the story and expecting it to make sense
Typical modern "media consoomer". how many fricking Funko Pops do you own?
You're just deciding they have shorter lifespans with zero evidence. And then complaining that you don't like your headcanon.
>You're just deciding they have shorter lifespans with zero evidence
They age at the same rate as humans
No they don't. No in-game evidence supports this. You're making it the frick up.
Yes they do moron. Play the fricking game moron. Eunie looks like a kid in her third term and an adult in her 9th term.
See
>getting called disingenuous for asking lore discrepancies between games to be explained
>getting called disingenuous for being invested in things I spent time on and wanting to know why things changed
Fricking windowlicker, kys.
I accept your troonycession that you lost and got raped.
your discrepancies make perfect sense in context, with literally bio engineered clone bodies.
>can literally only confront differences in thought by shouting about nasty infected axewounds
Go back to sharty, homosexual.
I accept your troonycession 😉
The writers wouldn't make Eunie and Lanz outlive Taion and Sena
For all we fricking know everyone might just be absolutely normal humans now that the merge is finished.
That's probably what happened, yeah.
Because?
Because XC3 and FR went out of their way to have the most gushy feel good ending possible when the worlds reunited.
They wouldn't undercut that by turning around and saying Eunie and Lanz had to live for decades/centuries without their spouses.
>They wouldn't undercut that by turning around and saying Eunie and Lanz had to live for decades/centuries without their spouses.
They absolutely could.
that's life, can't live in the endless now
No, they wouldn't. Why would only Noah and Mio get a happy ending?
Yes it is.
>muh Melia
they didn't give her a spouse. We're talking about their love interests.
>they didn't give her a spouse
Changes literally nothing.
In Aionios. Do you think everyone will die at age 20 in the new world?
Nothing suggests they can make them age differently in Aionios when they aren't in the pods.
They have too because there's literally zero explanation for how their lifespans would be diminished pre Aionios. Explain why Eunie wouldn't outlive everyone.
Possibly. Blade eater lifespans can vary. Nia says she could croak at any moment iirc.
>because there's literally zero explanation for how their lifespans would be diminished
So what? There's literally zero explanation for Nia being queen but they still did it anyways.
And they could just say it's because they mixed with Homs genes.
Anon Nia becoming a queen in the interim that's like minimum a couple decades is completely different than a race's aging rate changing entirely
The bodies are literally created by Z.
A tiny bit of media literacy would help you a lot
So Mio will outlive Noah then? Since she's a blade eater.
Catgirl bias.
so you do think they still only have 10 terms to live.
I accept your troonycession.
>Catgirl bias.
Nope, Mio will outlive Noah. You can't say one will happen but the other won't moron.
Maybe they do.
so?
So that undercuts every fricking theme in 3. Why would Noah want a new world if Mio will outlive him by decades anyways?
No it does not.
Leaving the Endless now also means people are lost forever.
And why wouldn't he?
he wants to spend his life with her no matter what.
Noah literally learns to accept Mio's death even if he means he has to be alone. You think Mio can't do the same?
>You think Mio can't do the same?
Nope, the entire game was about how they're only happy together.
It's the fricking opposite. it's Noah learning to be happy even without Mio.
No it really isn't. At the end of the game he even runs off from his friends the second he hears Mio. He doesn't even try to help his "friends" find their own partners
Atleast you waited till bump limit to do this bait shit.
Though making the thread worse at the very end is shitty in it's own way.
He gets Mio for his entire life though 😉
So why can't he help his friends find their partners?
Fine idea to give lipservice and have the hero accept. But if you never actually bother to show it happen in the longrun, it rings pretty frickin' hollow.
Mio literally says she does not need forever.
and we never see how long other races need to grow up, that is just left to interpretation.
again, not actually important.
The idea that the endless now is a comforting lie that keeps everything the same and prevents heartbreak like that is lost to him.
That's not evidence. None of that is evidence. By that logic Melia definitely won't her friends even though she has the increased livespan.
Considering Origin is recording fricking everything. Worse case scenario you can create copies of your friends with it. And they'd have memories of everything.
Same way legolas did.
Coming in at bump limit just to say I want a bratty competitive threesome between Me, Ghondor, and Shania
Which Ghondor?
The sexy one obviously...
could've said so earlier
get in line pal
>changing lifespan to 10 years and Hard capping it? Easy
>changing how people age despite it being shown in the pod? POTHOLE REEEEEEE!
How are the complainers the most disingenuous people on earth?
They can only change their aging in the pod, not outside of it. They show this in Y's quest.
Reminder that the blue light is Kosmos
Machina Lanz could easily age like a "human", since I can fully believe Machina can alter their biologies to grow at the same rate as a human. There's even a quest in XC1 where an old machina laments not being able to age like a human.
>xenoblade 3 threads reach bump limit
>meanwhile ff16 threads are dead and buried
kekk, FFcucks in shambles
These morons unironically think Noah will grow up and be a young adult while Lanz and Eunie are still in kid forms
Yes moron. Unless you want to overturn series lore.
>overturn series lore.
They already did that plenty of times in 3.
Noah will grow up as an adult while Mio is still a child because she ages slowly
I will refuse to back off this hill even though it makes no fricking sense.
Nia doesn't age slowly despite being a flesh eater. But headcanon your e-girlcon fantasies if you want.
>Nia doesn't age slowly
Proof?
Nia is the same age as Rex based on her backstory.
How does that prove she doesn't age slowly, fricking moron
We never seen when she was actually born.
She could be actually older than him for all we know.
Your hill is fricking moronic
There's only 12 years between XC2 and XC3. The game starts on Melia's 100th birthday and she was 88 in XC1. So they both have to be younger than 12
No they don't. Assuming that true they could be around in 1 and just not be seen.
1 and 2 take place concurrently. You fricking moron. Mio cannot fricking exist.
Thought you were talking about Eunie Lanz
Mio cannot be older than 12 because she didn't exist in XC2 you fricking mouthbreather
You're a fricking moron.
>3gay defenseforce literally proving they don't understand basic shit about 1/2, while trying to peddle their 500IQ show-don't-tell story narrative
No.