>Normies considered this the Citizen Kane of gaming
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>Normies considered this the Citizen Kane of gaming
>Normies considered this the Citizen Kane of gaming
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They were wrong. This si the Citizen Kane of vidya.
Hello sirs.
Citizen Kane is shit so they’re not wrong.
I've met a bunch of people that played it but never met anyone who thought it was amazing. Like where are the super fans?
I mean a bunch of people were praising it when it released and it's sequel is the most awarded game of all time.
>it's sequel is the most awarded game of all time.
The absolute state of the video game industry
I've only ever seen them online
on twitter and facebook of course
One of the managers at my old job was obsessed with the game, I had to break the news to him that sequel got delayed and he was devasted. I always wondered how he felt when the game came out and was utter shit.
The media
The same ones that praises Kojambo
>Citizen Kane is overrated trash
Yeah Last of Us is actually better than Citizen Kane.
The average person is a fricking moron, come to terms with that as early as possible in life to be successful
>Normies considered this the Schindler's list of gaming.
>character assassination
>dishonest narrative
>general israelitery and lies
Well, they aren't wrong.
Idk, it gave us those memes. It's still 0/10 shit, but those retrace memes were gold.
It really is the Citizen Kane of video games.
>not really all that groundbreaking, just a natural evolution of what other games had been doing for a while now
>not really all that impactful, tells a pretty bland story that's held together by some great performances
>not really all that engaging, pretty formulaic in its structure of stealth section, cut scene, stealth section, cut scene, etc.
>despite all of this, critics praise it and suck its dick like no tomorrow and declare the greatest game ever made
>normies who endlessly regurgitate the headlines they are fed just follow suit
Just like Citizen Kane, tbh.
What do you think would happen if one of these people actualy got to play a good game like Prey or Deus Ex?
Well, put it this way, when a person tells me that they think The Last of Us or its sequel is the greatest game of all time or one of them, all it admits to me is that this person hasn't played a lot of video games. Just like if someone tells me that Citizen Kane is the greatest movie all it means is that they're still in their first semester of film school.
If any of them tried to play Deus Ex, they'd spend four hours on Liberty Island getting one-shotted trying to rush the door before giving up. I know because it happens all the time on Ganker and we're supposed to be "le hardcore gamerz" so what chance does the normalgay have?
Citizen Kane is remembered because it basically invented modern camera techniques and editing. You see any other movies from that time? They're aids. Which is why the last of us isn't the citizen kane of gaming because it doesn't push the medium forward at all, if anything it drags it back.
What would be considered gaming's Citizen Kane? Half life, RE4, DOOM, Halo?
Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, of course.
Super Mario Bros.
I'm just gonna toss a quote from David Bordwell first. "The best way to understand Citizen Kane is to stop worshipping it as a triumph of technique." He's absolutely right. Citizen Kane didn't INVENT anything. It took all sorts of elements from its contemporaries and predecessors such as Film Noir, German Expressionism, Soviet Kinography and Documentary, D.W. Griffith's epics, etc. and just put them all together. It didn't invent modern camera techniques and it did not invent modern editing. Even deep focus, which is Citizen's Kane's hallmark, wasn't new or never used before. And the story structure of Citizen Kane is simply a mock biopic with an unreliable narrator, not new in fiction at all. People act like all there ever was before Citizen Kane was A Train Coming Into Station and A Trip to the Moon. All you need to do is wash a movie like Metropolis or The Adventures of Robin Hood to realize that Citizen Kane did nothing all that new, and really isn't that enjoyable.
>You see any other movies from that time? They're aids.
Filtered. 20’s silent films are kino.
Both are overrated pretentious pseudointelectual normie garbage, so... Acurate?
>A downgraded RE4 with an alright story told exclusively through cinematic cutscenes redefined gaming
>A downgraded RE4 with an alright story told exclusively through cinematic cutscenes redefined gaming
It was quite engaging thoughbelt. Just needed a better ludo to narrative ratio.
What was engaging? Unlike Ashley Ellie can hardly die and you as the player never affect her. Only Joel the character does. In RE4 you can upgrade her max health and she can give you shit if you explored as her. It's not much but Ashley is still better than Ellie gameplay wise and shows how the Last of us could have made Ellie an actualy interesting gameplay component that the player can affect.
>What was engaging?
The story, characters and cinematic presentation were engaging. Although it could have just been a movie.
> Unlike Ashley Ellie can hardly die and you as the player never affect her. Only Joel the character does. In RE4 you can upgrade her max health and she can give you shit if you explored as her. It's not much but Ashley is still better than Ellie gameplay wise and shows how the Last of us could have made Ellie an actualy interesting gameplay component that the player can affect.
I agree. Like I said, it needed a better ludo to narrative ratio. Putting the player in Joel's shoes strengthened their investment somewhat, but that's just doing the bare minimum. It works well as a movie, barely works as a game, and utterly fails as a blend of the two.
Eh it wouldn't even be that good as a movie. It takes major story beats from children of men but adds zombies which was a trend at the time.
The plot itself isn't that great, and it's true that if you just cut out the gameplay and didn't add anything, it'd be a pretty shit movie.
But I think it's a good character piece. Joel and Ellie's relationship is compelling.
It wouldn't be one of the all time greats though. It was only acclaimed because most people have really low standards for storytelling in games, and it did the bare minimum of putting you in the character's shoes so you care more than you would otherwise.
Bruh, Ellie it is an actual gameplay component that can affect the player
>She warns you about the enemy positions
>She sometimes will grab stuff for you like bullets or medkits
>She can stun enemies and free you from their grabs
>After a certain point of the game she gets her gun and will actively help you more in the fights
So Bioshock Infinite 2: homosexual Boogaloo
>movie-game is the apex of gaming
This is like saying a filmed play is the height of cinema. Or a play with some guy reading on stage is the height of theater.
>a play with some guy reading on stage is the height of theater.
>implying it isn't
>in zombie apocalypse, the real monster is... LE MAN!
*yawn* When will somebody come up with a STORY in this kind of setting where this isn't the case?
Vertigo mogs Citizen Kane. Everything mogs TLOU. Fricking Fallout 4 mogs TLOU
close.
the last of us 2 is the citizen kane of gaming.
Friendly reminder that Citizen Kane has its reputation for its technical achievements and not overall quality. So TLOU, achieving nothing that gamers had not seen before, can in no way be considered the "Citizen Kane" of gaming.
but you, OP, you are not a normie, you are a man of taste and distinction and way more interesting than these normies for liking different video games than them
Forgot the pic
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Game stories suck. The closest they come to being cinema tier is like GTA5 or Black Ops where they would make a fun heist movie or espionage thriller. As soon as they try to go deep in their writing I feel like a manchild playing them instead of reading a book.
>GTA5
It's not even the best story in its franchise though?
Its fun enough for what it is. The others are probably better overall, but still nothing special, GTA5 has fun heists, and Michael is cool. That being said, most of the GTA stories would make some good flicks, with GTA4 probably the one that can be taken the most seriously.
Metro LL and Exodus connected with me much more than any movie because i had to pay attention to the world around me and interact with it if i wanted to get the good ending. If you ignore everything and kill everyone you'll get fricked over.
>The closest they come to being cinema tier is like GTA5
phahahahahahaha
look at this dude
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lmao
But what's the Citizen Kane of film?
Not just normies, it was very popular among gamers in general.
But it was overhyped, yes.
>Normies
most normies don't know what citizen kane is and even the ones that have heard of it get it wrong as to why it's actually being hailed as one of the most influencial movies ever, you can see some idiots getting it wrong in this very thread and i don't blame them because when you first watch it it's kinda meh but that's because you are used to everything you see in it
the thing with the film is that it invented and pioneered a ton of shit both in narrative and tech sense just so welles could shoot the film the way he wanted to, stuff that is still being used today, so it's definitely not "overrated"
Literally just worse Telltale Walking Dead
Is the game worth playing through at least
>Is the game worth playing through at least
Eh... yeah, I guess. If you don't already know what happens, and if you stay far away from the second one, it'll probably be a worthwhile undertaking.
Is the gameplay satisfying at least
>Is the gameplay satisfying at least
Yeah, it's not terrible or anything. It could have been better but it's good enough to keep you going through the story. I mean, even in saying that I'm probably being a bit too hard on it.
This is just me but I think Druckmann kind of stole some ideas from the Sopranos, two major aspects. The first one is the ending. The ending of the last of us is literally stolen from the ending of the sopranos. Focusing on the face of the character and then abruptly cutting to a black screen. This is shameless. This other piece of writing that was stolen is more subtle. It’s about Ellie knowing Joel is lying about the fireflies. She knows that he’s lying. That famous first season episode where Meadow and Tony are visiting potential colleges she could go to, during the car ride, Meadow is secretly testing her father to be more sincere with her. She knows that he is a gangster but then she asks him if he is in the mafia and Tony gets angry at the question, denying it and lying. Just as Meadow knows the truth behind the lie, Ellie knows the truth behind the lie
I don't think Ellie knew right away. Like maybe she was leaning towards lying, but to me its very obvious that the ending was supposed to have the gamer question whether she believed him or not. She is also a child, and they will tend to believe their parents at first. She probably grew to completely distrust and resent Joel between TLOU1 and 2, but was clearly still on good terms with him at the end of 1.
She knew. She was wearing a hospital gown and on anesthesia.
There's knowing, and then there's knowing
Like having evidence staring you in the face that you're being cheated on. You can be 95% sure, but if you're not 100% sure there's still that bit of doubt that holds you back
>The ending of the last of us is literally stolen from the ending of the sopranos. Focusing on the face of the character and then abruptly cutting to a black screen.
Completely different circumstances. Maybe he was inspired by the cinematic technique or something but there's no way Sopranos was the first to cut to black on someone's face.
>That famous first season episode where Meadow and Tony are visiting potential colleges she could go to, during the car ride, Meadow is secretly testing her father to be more sincere with her. She knows that he is a gangster but then she asks him if he is in the mafia and Tony gets angry at the question, denying it and lying. Just as Meadow knows the truth behind the lie, Ellie knows the truth behind the lie
Maybe, but on the other hand knowing/suspecting someone is lying to you and trying to tease it out of them is not an uncommon experience
Don't make me defend Druckmann, it feels dirty
>The first one is the ending. The ending of the last of us is literally stolen from the ending of the sopranos. Focusing on the face of the character and then abruptly cutting to a black screen.
This is a pretty standard trope. The Sopranos is hardly the first TV or film to do this.
pretty sure it's just the gaming media
Kinda. Mediocre movie introduces modern storytelling, same thing here. Like it or not, TLOU had a decent story with decent gameplay, nothing groundbreaking, but very few AAA games attempt to do a serious story and gameplay at the same time. You either have a faux serious story with no gameplay like David Cage. Or good gameplay with a shit, forgettable story, like [Insert Franchise Here]. Every complaint towards TLOU1's story could be double or tripled for your average videogame main plot. The fact that it draws so much criticism is a reminder that everyone agrees it has a story worth analyzing. When's the last time anybody has cared about Assassin Creed's story? Or CoD's? They're not even worth talking about outside of Videogame Circles. You'd never go:
>Oh man, my favorite story of all time?
>Tetris!
And TLOU still hasn't changed that narrative, nor influenced a huge amount of creators, nor done much of anything but be another popular game. But it's a popular AAA game with a decent story, and the bar is just that low.
Is citizen kane even good ?
yeah and if this """game""" story was made into a film or book instead it would be considered to be okayish at best
You mean Chrono Trigger but at least I'll admit that games actually good