Feraligatr is a bipedal alligator with a finner and bumps reminiscent of vague combat pads
Typhlosion is a bipedal nondescript ferret-like mammal with a fire collar, which is *supposed* to call to mind Japanese delinquents with its design but you'd never know that without being told
Meganium is at least a Sauropod dinosaur-like creature but other than that it just has a flower around its neck and anther antennae
Johto starters are just completely uninspired and low-effort in almost every way, not to mention bland to use on top of that.
>Only set of starters that were never shilled >Only set of starters never given have any prominent role in the anime >Only ones out of the poll to not get megas or any other special snowflake super saiyan shill form >Only ones out of the poll to be dexited from SwSh >Last three years was Joe deflecting to Johto to deflect from SwSh's flaws >Last three years was PChal using Johto for his shitposts, unoriginal copycats parroting him and nu-fans falling for it because the majority of pokefans are ultra casuals know frick all about the games, especially not about Johto considering its most recent game is older than most of the fans >The only starter trio actively set up to fail was put in the same poll with as the two most coddled and privileged starter sets and ends up losing
WHOOOOAAAA
There isn't some grand conspiracy, Johto just sucks.
regardless of how you feel about the design, you can't tell me that Johto starters got a fair chance.Espailly not compared to KANTOOOOOO and Hoenn.
Johto and Unova both lacked a dedicated shill starter and tried to spread the love. Both are seen as the "weak and boring" trios.
Not a coincidence. Shilling works.
I'd say your right, but that would imply Johto got any love at all to share
Johto now has Typhlosion as shill starter and Unova has Samurott.
far too little far too late. and even getting regionals does frick all for the originals.
And wouldn't you know it, there's endless posts about how they "fixed the originals", that they're "vast improvements" despite their designs staying fairly similar especially in the latter's case.
Whatever GameFreak tells you to like, the people will like. Even Pansage made it top 30 in a Japanese poll just because Cilan had one and we all know how unpopular the monkeys are.
Johto and Unova both lacked a dedicated shill starter and tried to spread the love. Both are seen as the "weak and boring" trios.
Not a coincidence. Shilling works.
And wouldn't you know it, there's endless posts about how they "fixed the originals", that they're "vast improvements" despite their designs staying fairly similar especially in the latter's case.
Whatever GameFreak tells you to like, the people will like. Even Pansage made it top 30 in a Japanese poll just because Cilan had one and we all know how unpopular the monkeys are.
honestly? none of them really fits in the shillmon category i could say serperior but at the same time it's not shilled either only zoroark was the shilled unovamon like they did with lucario but it's not a starter though
tepig was clearly supposed to be it >evolve into the only humanoid member of the trio >used by the manga mc and ash >only one of ash starters to evolve in unova
It was clearly supposed to be charizard/infernape 2.0, but it floppped so badly that they had to change plsns
People who were saying Johto was shit for years only to be shouted down by nostalgiagays. Now there's people who have no nostalgia for the games and are willing to call them what they are.
>monotype garbage >mogged hard by their middle evos >feraligaytr >designs so anonymous that they don't make them unique compared to all the other pokemon in the dex >objectively a downgrade compared to the kantroon starters and i didn't even know it was possible
kek no wonder people dislike these garbage starters
Croconaw is ugly and Quilava is still boring even if it's the least boring
In fact, it's more exciting waiting for Cyndaquil to evolve than it is actually having a Quilava
but yes Johto starters are a downgrade from Kanto's starters
Why do people post Youtube polls here? Not saying that the Johto starters are the most popular because they aren't but these polls usually are biased based on who watches the channel
Chikorita, Bayleef, and Meganium are all the same shit
It's a meme that Bayleef is a better design, as there is no significant difference between them and the line is one of the few in history that actually completely committed to a conceptual progression (bulbs to flower, e.g.).
It just gets bigger and changes color slightly, leaving aside the bloom.
Feraligatr is virtually equally bad to Typhlosion. Same animal rip-off made bipedal, quirky "details" added to make it not totally bland, generic movepool (didn't get Dragon Dance even in gen 3), bland colorations,
these two's reputations rest entirely upon un-reevalutated rose-tinted nostalgia, propped up only by fanatic johtoddlers lording their sacred cow gen
No, Gatr is loved because it's cool as hell. You're hated because you're an enormous homosexual that gets his opinions entirely from YouTubers.
Also frick off with shitting on Typhlosion too, it's way cooler than Zard and I still like Zard even.
>gets his opinions entirely from YouTubers.
I write all my own material
I have no idea who to listen to to watch them cut all this garbage down to size with the same acumen
cope & seethe johtoddler
hardly anyone gives a frick about these shitters other than their stans like you
None of your opinions matter because they're just 1:1 what shilltubers have been paid to say >hardly anyone gives a frick about these shitters
Yes because they've been programmed to hate them, go back 5 years and Typhlosion and Gatr are well liked with people asking why they've been ignored by GF
>it's way cooler than Zard
Its literally a flightless Zard. If they made a ground type and emphasized its terrestrial lifestyle it would've stood out more. But instead its just "Charizard but less"
Same animal rip-off made bipedal, quirky "details" added to make it not totally b
Most Pokémon have primarily animals basis with extra details >generic movepool (didn't get Dragon Dance even in gen 3),
Competitive is a farce that only exists to prop up FOTM shillmons and CHARIZARD >bland colorations,
Oh no a blue water type. The horror >these two's reputations rest entirely upon un-reevalutated rose-tinted nostalgia, propped up only by fanatic johtoddlers lording their sacred cow gen
Wrong.the hate those two get is entirely from being robbed it the shilling every other starter got. Game Freak hating Johto and forcing it live under KANTOOOOOOOO, and three straight years of Johto being the scapegoat for all the franchise problems due to Joe’s lies, PChal’s trolling and nu-fans being dumb enough to fall for it
Same goes for Meganium though it would admittedly never be popular due to being to “girly” without being a humanoid waifu, it would at least not be the most hated starter in the franchise.
Feraligatr hate mostly stems from the same thing as Johto hate in general. It's alright, but the fans of it prod it up as if it's the best and most popular thing in existence and that tires people out.
The hoenn starters look too homosexual for me. I've never understood what's so good about them. Ohh a water/ground type. Not really a game changer. Their movepools are ass and their game blows. People strawman johto all day when hoenn has all the same problems, but makes them worse somehow. The story making run around in circles on the map was real cool. Soooo cool.
the Hoenn trio is implicitly carried hard by Blaziken, while Swampert and Sceptile get by by being merely acceptable and "cool" enough
they were different to anything offered before or since
>the Hoenn trio is carried by Blaziken
Never seen a gayer opinion in my life, you might as well post Quaquaval or whatever the frick it's called while you're at it
FeralaGAYtor is such a bad design no wonder sinnoh chads rule this game and boomers can’t use Twitter kekw
>sinnoh chads rule this game
what in the frick are you talking about. sad attempt at false flagging, bro
Oh I meant hoenn lel
it's feraligaytr sir
All three of them suck, not just Feraligatr.
Feraligatr is a bipedal alligator with a finner and bumps reminiscent of vague combat pads
Typhlosion is a bipedal nondescript ferret-like mammal with a fire collar, which is *supposed* to call to mind Japanese delinquents with its design but you'd never know that without being told
Meganium is at least a Sauropod dinosaur-like creature but other than that it just has a flower around its neck and anther antennae
Johto starters are just completely uninspired and low-effort in almost every way, not to mention bland to use on top of that.
who picked those homosexual ass names holy shit. when did femininity and gayness become so commonplace? where did the 90s cool raditude go?
>beloved beasts
Poll confirms them to not be beloved, but that's what they get for being johturd starters
>Only set of starters that were never shilled
>Only set of starters never given have any prominent role in the anime
>Only ones out of the poll to not get megas or any other special snowflake super saiyan shill form
>Only ones out of the poll to be dexited from SwSh
>Last three years was Joe deflecting to Johto to deflect from SwSh's flaws
>Last three years was PChal using Johto for his shitposts, unoriginal copycats parroting him and nu-fans falling for it because the majority of pokefans are ultra casuals know frick all about the games, especially not about Johto considering its most recent game is older than most of the fans
>The only starter trio actively set up to fail was put in the same poll with as the two most coddled and privileged starter sets and ends up losing
WHOOOOAAAA
bruh it's not that deep they're just boring designs
regardless of how you feel about the design, you can't tell me that Johto starters got a fair chance.Espailly not compared to KANTOOOOOO and Hoenn.
I'd say your right, but that would imply Johto got any love at all to share
far too little far too late. and even getting regionals does frick all for the originals.
this anon gets it
Johto and Unova both lacked a dedicated shill starter and tried to spread the love. Both are seen as the "weak and boring" trios.
Not a coincidence. Shilling works.
Johto now has Typhlosion as shill starter and Unova has Samurott.
And wouldn't you know it, there's endless posts about how they "fixed the originals", that they're "vast improvements" despite their designs staying fairly similar especially in the latter's case.
Whatever GameFreak tells you to like, the people will like. Even Pansage made it top 30 in a Japanese poll just because Cilan had one and we all know how unpopular the monkeys are.
>samurott is the unova shillmon
nta but who else would it be?
honestly? none of them really fits in the shillmon category i could say serperior but at the same time it's not shilled either only zoroark was the shilled unovamon like they did with lucario but it's not a starter though
Serperior has the best ability, Samurott is treated as the BW default, and Emboar is the BW2 default (as per the trailer).
tepig was clearly supposed to be it
>evolve into the only humanoid member of the trio
>used by the manga mc and ash
>only one of ash starters to evolve in unova
It was clearly supposed to be charizard/infernape 2.0, but it floppped so badly that they had to change plsns
There isn't some grand conspiracy, Johto just sucks.
>Venusaur but less monstrous and worse typing
>Charizard with stripped wings and worse movepool
Only the Gatr is good
Who benefits from a post like this?
People who were saying Johto was shit for years only to be shouted down by nostalgiagays. Now there's people who have no nostalgia for the games and are willing to call them what they are.
>monotype garbage
>mogged hard by their middle evos
>feraligaytr
>designs so anonymous that they don't make them unique compared to all the other pokemon in the dex
>objectively a downgrade compared to the kantroon starters and i didn't even know it was possible
kek no wonder people dislike these garbage starters
Croconaw is ugly and Quilava is still boring even if it's the least boring
In fact, it's more exciting waiting for Cyndaquil to evolve than it is actually having a Quilava
but yes Johto starters are a downgrade from Kanto's starters
Hoenn wins as always.
Still drowning every Johto and Kanto Pokemon with my Chad surfer Feraligatr
I like all those starters and have done playthroughs with each of them
Of the 9 mons here, Typhlosion is by far the coolest by gaygagaytor and megaynium are the worst 2
work on your bait
wipe your tears johturd
Call them johtrannies or you're a troon yourself
Once again the trash squabble while Unovagods watch on our throne
>region based on shartmerica
>just a reskin of KANTOOOOO
only throne you're sitting on is porcelain
NOOOOO ITS NOT FAIR
check again
>blaziken sceptile
no wonder they keep making fursuits
Only Blaziken is the literal fursuitmon.
Sceptile's debut in the 3D games gave it a unhuman-like posture like an actual dino creature
Why do people post Youtube polls here? Not saying that the Johto starters are the most popular because they aren't but these polls usually are biased based on who watches the channel
I don't think I've ever seen one of these youtube polls where Hoenn isn't the winner, so it's really just one guy
Meganium bad upvotes to the left my fellow Redditors.
Edit: thanks for the gold!
Not even girls give a shit about Meganium
it's the single most blatantly contrarian pick in the Pokemon universe
>Untiered in comp
>Hardest to use ingame
>Pre-evo is cooler
>Forgettable despite being two decades old
Objectively the worst starter
Its irrefutable
Chikorita, Bayleef, and Meganium are all the same shit
It's a meme that Bayleef is a better design, as there is no significant difference between them and the line is one of the few in history that actually completely committed to a conceptual progression (bulbs to flower, e.g.).
It just gets bigger and changes color slightly, leaving aside the bloom.
So people who dogenuinely like Meganium were contrarians all along?
Feraligatr hate is legitimately one of the most forced things I've seen on this board
Feraligatr is virtually equally bad to Typhlosion. Same animal rip-off made bipedal, quirky "details" added to make it not totally bland, generic movepool (didn't get Dragon Dance even in gen 3), bland colorations,
these two's reputations rest entirely upon un-reevalutated rose-tinted nostalgia, propped up only by fanatic johtoddlers lording their sacred cow gen
No, Gatr is loved because it's cool as hell. You're hated because you're an enormous homosexual that gets his opinions entirely from YouTubers.
Also frick off with shitting on Typhlosion too, it's way cooler than Zard and I still like Zard even.
>gets his opinions entirely from YouTubers.
I write all my own material
I have no idea who to listen to to watch them cut all this garbage down to size with the same acumen
cope & seethe johtoddler
hardly anyone gives a frick about these shitters other than their stans like you
None of your opinions matter because they're just 1:1 what shilltubers have been paid to say
>hardly anyone gives a frick about these shitters
Yes because they've been programmed to hate them, go back 5 years and Typhlosion and Gatr are well liked with people asking why they've been ignored by GF
meds
>it's way cooler than Zard
Its literally a flightless Zard. If they made a ground type and emphasized its terrestrial lifestyle it would've stood out more. But instead its just "Charizard but less"
He was probably referring to design/concept rather anything related to PvPiss, which it just a club for shillmons
Even Quaquaval is better than the ugly gator
Quaquaval is offensively bad
Feraligatr simply offers almost no reason to like it type bad
>Quaquaval
>better than anything
Look
Lmao even
>actually funny to look at
>somehow it's a bad thing
alright mr grumpy
Same animal rip-off made bipedal, quirky "details" added to make it not totally b
Most Pokémon have primarily animals basis with extra details
>generic movepool (didn't get Dragon Dance even in gen 3),
Competitive is a farce that only exists to prop up FOTM shillmons and CHARIZARD
>bland colorations,
Oh no a blue water type. The horror
>these two's reputations rest entirely upon un-reevalutated rose-tinted nostalgia, propped up only by fanatic johtoddlers lording their sacred cow gen
Wrong.the hate those two get is entirely from being robbed it the shilling every other starter got. Game Freak hating Johto and forcing it live under KANTOOOOOOOO, and three straight years of Johto being the scapegoat for all the franchise problems due to Joe’s lies, PChal’s trolling and nu-fans being dumb enough to fall for it
Same goes for Meganium though it would admittedly never be popular due to being to “girly” without being a humanoid waifu, it would at least not be the most hated starter in the franchise.
Feraligatr hate mostly stems from the same thing as Johto hate in general. It's alright, but the fans of it prod it up as if it's the best and most popular thing in existence and that tires people out.
Everyone that likes a thing props it up as the best thing ever. That's normal. What moronic and selectively applied reasoning.
average johtogay brainrot
1 and 3 are most people's favorite starter trios. It's not a fair comparison.
The hoenn starters look too homosexual for me. I've never understood what's so good about them. Ohh a water/ground type. Not really a game changer. Their movepools are ass and their game blows. People strawman johto all day when hoenn has all the same problems, but makes them worse somehow. The story making run around in circles on the map was real cool. Soooo cool.
> The hoenn starters look too homosexual for me. I've never understood what's so good about them.
Actual being Shilled is one hell of a drug
the Hoenn trio is implicitly carried hard by Blaziken, while Swampert and Sceptile get by by being merely acceptable and "cool" enough
they were different to anything offered before or since
>the Hoenn trio is carried by Blaziken
Never seen a gayer opinion in my life, you might as well post Quaquaval or whatever the frick it's called while you're at it
All of them are similar in popularity actually. To me, Blaziken is by far the worst
Johtomon are not mon.
Also REALLY dislike the classy critters overall.
At least the classic creatures started something.
Between Gen 1-4, Johto definitely has the least popular starters.
They're soul. You wouldn't get it.
what SHOULD have been a fricking plesiosaur monster would have been incredibly popular and the bear is much fiercer looking than typhlosion
these are shit
>he doesn't like the dinosaur starter
shiggy
Nah, I like Feraligatr as is.
awful taste
>knock-off Pikachu into knock-off Arcanine
>blue blobs into knock-off Lapras
Holy shit, these suck.
johto sucks and 90% of the reason why is due to the fact that whenever houndour/doom is included in the pokedex, it's locked behind postgame
this is also part of the reason as to why platinum is in the top 3 of pokemon games