>The climax of the story takes part in the Upper
Cope response by the devs. Upper city was supposed to be the gortash and cazador area, karlach heart restoration quest and much more. When you try to enter it ingame the emperor's reasoning doesn't make sense either
>Sarevok's coronation takes place at High Hall in Upper City >Gorthash' coronation take place at Wyrm's Rock which is a fricking security outpost outside and far away from the actual city because Upper City was cut at the 11th hour
Keep chocking on Swen's waffle, you homosexual. Act 3 is cut content galore because they had to rush the release or else and no amount of damage control in interviews after information about massive amounts of cut content started getting viral will change it.
8 months ago
Anonymous
The upper city vampire lords mansion is shoved into a random guard tower up on top of a wall, lol.
7 months ago
Anonymous
It's pretty obvious that upper city was planned to be a playable area like lower and outer city, but they didn't cut it in the last month of development like some people seem to believe. More likely is that they cut it when decided to make bg bigger and seamless, but then realized their engine couldn't handle it and had to significantly downsize the scope of the city.
7 months ago
Anonymous
It was cut extremely late in the development cycle and clearly not because engine was getting all hot and bothered under wee load but because they ran out of time/money and had to rush the game out. It was cut so late that they didn't even have time to actually do anything other than move Gorthash from royal palace to security outpost because that location was actually done and make a hole in random wall just so players could do Astarion's quest. Gortash doesn't even have an actual boss battle made. And Bane doesn't have any of his lines voiced either still.
7 months ago
Anonymous
I don't see how that proves it was cut late into the development. It's not like they could do anything else about it without allowing players to visit upper city, so settled on this half-measure. >because they ran out of time/money and had to rush the game out
They were making a shitload of money on divinity games and bg3 early access. Pretty sure it had nothing to do with money and they could have spent another year on it if they wanted to.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>they could have spent another year on it if they wanted to
So why did Larian, a company that already has history of getting nearly bankrupt and cutting lots of things just to get the game out, released it now with Act 3 being an unfinished buggy mess with glaring issues clearly linked to now non-existent Upper City instead of waiting a year to actually do things right? They were swimming in money so they totally could, as you say.
7 months ago
Anonymous
I don’t have the image handy, but as late as this summer (iirc about a month before release) the marketing team was posting pictures of locations in the upper city as places you could go. There’s a marketing picture of Astarion standing outside the gates of Cazadors mansion looking in, before it got shunted to a guard tower in the lower city to get the game out the door.
It’s possible that it had already been decided to cut the upper city and the marketing team didn’t know this, or they did know but didn’t want to admit it. We don’t really know, can only speculate, and Larian doesn’t seem to be forthcoming with the truth about what went wrong
7 months ago
Anonymous
They lie and gaslight, only morons fell for it
7 months ago
Anonymous
Honestly I played this game three years ago when the early access came out, enjoyed it, said to myself “it’s basically dos3 and has nothing to do with Baldurs gate but it’ll probably be a good game and be fun when it comes out” and dropped the game and quit reading or thinking about it.
I was quite shocked at how bad the final product was, to put it mildly.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Fricking lmao. I got fooled alright. Seeing this picture prior to the release, I can't believe I thought we were getting all that in the game. We didn't even get the whole lower city. Shameful
This anon is correct. The game is inexcusable in its current state. Anyone who hasn’t finished it has an invalid opinion.
I wish they’d quit gaslighting and lying and be honest about what went wrong so late in development. Did they just run out of money? Or were they intentionally rushing to beat other big titles to market.
Larian nearly went bankrupt multiple times already, you can bet your ass they were running out of money yet again. I imagine after the Paladin update in EA they started gutting everything they could and asspulling Act 3 into what we got now.
But the question remains - will they actually deliver real Baldur's Gate city later? They already had to go full damage control mode on the state of Act 3.
>the game sucks >act 1 is a masterpiece >actually its the rest of the game thats bad >act 2 is awesome just like act 1 >uh... ummmm *nervous sweating* act 3 is the worst thing ever made trust me, its just 3 untextured rectangles and a balrog >actually act 3 is pretty great >NOOOOOOOOO LIAR LIAR LIAR LIAR DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE
bg3 is more polished but wotr actually makes you roleplay as the mythic path you choose, bg3 is just railroaded tav with extra fluff. bg3 combat is also extremely easy and dumbed down
They both have their place. Pathfinder is the more hardcore experience. The sheer amount of possible builds outclasses any Larian game no contest. It can also be insanely punishing on those unfamiliar with the mechanics, those that don`t plan ahead and those that don`t constantly buff to the point it can, sometimes feel unfair. The games will trap the players in dungeons with ridiculously high AC monsters, won`t let players rest and even time events in ways that won`t let them prepare.
I shit you not, it can be very brutal and force to go back hours. WoTR is less stressful in that regard compared to Kingmaker and it added mounted combat and the mythic paths to compensate which feels nice.
And then there is BG3, which honestly is more friendly and fun. Fights can be hard but hardly ever feel unfair, mechanics are simplified (dumbed down) and scenarios are more interactive allowing for creative solutions. Plus it visually destroys the pathfinder games between the art design, graphics, character animations...
Both are shit especially baldurs gay, the gay homosexual game that shits all over the legacy of dnd, atleast pozzo always was a gay homosexual company so you can't ruin the legacy of pathfinder
bg3 visually is incredibly ugly, the art direction is honestly terrible tho pathfinder is the same but also extremely low fidelity like a 10 year old game, i can't find anything to praise about either of them tbh
i guess at least pathfinder you can speed up ultra fast and end the game sooner so you can go back to playing something good
and bg3 is so easy you never need to think about what you are doing so you can imagine yourself playing a better game while you play it
This, they literally made Balduran into a mind flayer and someone who had sex with a gay dragon. No I'm not joking. They took the founder of Baldur's Gate and made him into a homosexual who fricks a living dragon dildo.
If you have to compare WoTR to BG3, I say that's already a win for Owlcat if a studio with a fraction of the budget, studio and experience is being compared to Larian.
This is a good point. If you make 1/10th as good of a game for 1/100th the cost in half the time and still sell 1 million copies, you're doing pretty good. The nuance in this thought will go over tribal fanboy heads though.
The only kind of person who would claim wotr is even half as good as bg3 is a turd worlder that can't run the latter on his favelatop. The distance between the two in quality is so large it'd be hard to measure.
Having played and finished both: wotr has its flaws, but bg3 is a worse game. BG3 has better graphics and music, but its writing, plot, and characters are absolutely atrocious and actively detract from the experience. Wotr also has better itemization, and handles skill checks and rolls better than bg3. Also, 3rd ed is a better ruleset than 5th. BG3 runs well in act 1 (optimized from three years of early access) but act 3 runs like shit, even on beastly PCs it will chug down to 30-40 fps lows. For reference, the original two games ran at 30 fps on 90s hardware.
Having played both at release though, bg3 was buggy, unfinished, and tons of cut content, yet playable. Wotr didn’t have the same level of cut content and being rushed and unfinished, but wotr was extremely buggy and basically unplayable for about six months, so there’s that.
>Also, 3rd ed is a better ruleset than 5th
Owlcat Pathfinder plays absolutely nothing like 3e. They have NOTHING in common, even the base mechanics are heavily altered.
>but act 3 runs like shit, even on beastly PCs it will chug down to 30-40 fps lows
I have a 2060s (this is a very old midrange card) and run the game on ultra settings at 1080p. I got to lower city today and it runs at 60fps????
Note ”lows”. It’ll get worse. Keep playing. I have a 3080 and at 1440p ultra it’ll range from 30-70 fps. Act 1 was 100-140.
One of the early release threads here had some YouTube homosexual’s video where his pre-release review copy went down to 20 fps in act 3 running a 4090 and I was like no fricking way, then I got to that part of the game
>Note ”lows”. It’ll get worse. Keep playing. I have a 3080 and at 1440p ultra it’ll range from 30-70 fps. Act 1 was 100-140.
It's not getting worse, they literally optimized it yesterday. Read the patch notes. You're dead wrong.
>It's not getting worse
I said "It'll get worse. Keep playing." as in, wait until he gets further into act 3 beyond the very beginning of the lower city, and the performance will degrade. I wasn't saying that the game's performance has been getting worse since it was released.
>they literally optimized it yesterday. Read the patch notes
I already finished the game and uninstalled it because it sucks, I had intended to do a second playthrough but the game's too bad in its current state. Maybe in a year or two when the "definitive edition" comes out.
>You're dead wrong
Watch as this gets ignored while schizos continue spewing lies.
>Watch as this gets ignored while schizos continue spewing lies
OK anons, if you say so. I played all of the game from release until about a week ago (fall semester started back up and I have kids), it took me like a month to finish it. I'm describing my actual experiences with this bad game. Are you really so emotionally invested in defending it on the internet that you cannot believe that someone else has a different opinion than you?
Note ”lows”. It’ll get worse. Keep playing. I have a 3080 and at 1440p ultra it’ll range from 30-70 fps. Act 1 was 100-140.
One of the early release threads here had some YouTube homosexual’s video where his pre-release review copy went down to 20 fps in act 3 running a 4090 and I was like no fricking way, then I got to that part of the game
I have an i7 12700, 3070Ti, and 32gb DDR5 and the game runs fine for me with on high with native 2560x1600 resolution
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This. I have an i9-11900k and an 3080. Have no performance issues at max settings.
Are you in act 3, or still in the early game? Did you try playing it at release, or are you playing it now after they've allegedly patched and improved act 3 performance? Act 3 ran like dogshit at release, which is what I was describing. Playing on a Ryzen 9 3900x, 32gb RAM, 3080 12gb, 2560x1440 native res, ultra settings. I don't know if they actually improved the performance, I finished the game and uninstalled it. I was responding to the homosexual who was like "hurr the only reason anyone dislikes bg3 is because their favela-laptop can't handle it". I'd still think the game sucks even if it ran flawlessly.
Note ”lows”. It’ll get worse. Keep playing. I have a 3080 and at 1440p ultra it’ll range from 30-70 fps. Act 1 was 100-140.
One of the early release threads here had some YouTube homosexual’s video where his pre-release review copy went down to 20 fps in act 3 running a 4090 and I was like no fricking way, then I got to that part of the game
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I have an i7 12700, 3070Ti, and 32gb DDR5 and the game runs fine for me with on high with native 2560x1600 resolution
This. I have an i9-11900k and an 3080. Have no performance issues at max settings.
WotR writing is about as pozzed/bad as BG3s, but it being mostly text that you can speed through and not fully voiced and animated cutscenes makes it much less of an issue. WotR let's you minimize the bad to get back to the combat and build autism.
Nah, WotR doesn't even come close to how hard WotC made Larian pozz the game.
The only pozzed things in WotR are Anevia, Sheelah and Sosiel, and all of them are from the original Paizo's AP, mind you. Owlcat even deliberately reduced pozz by hiding Anevia's shit behind really hard skill check at the end of the game while in AP you actually had to fetch magical genderbend swill and (possibly) uncover the truth, not to mention the shitfest with Sosiel's junkie boyfriend which doesn't exist in the game.
BG3 has pretty much entire race reduced to being gays, passerby NPCs talking about their same sex spouse all the time, in-your-face obnoxious aasimar dyke that makes Galfrey look like a nice person in comparison, drag queen voiced by actual drag queen, transvestite voiced by actual transvestite, Black person facial features and skin color on races where it doesn't make any sense, and many prominent NPCs in power like Flaming Fist being somehow mostly black females to the point you start wondering where are all the men are.
Note ”lows”. It’ll get worse. Keep playing. I have a 3080 and at 1440p ultra it’ll range from 30-70 fps. Act 1 was 100-140.
One of the early release threads here had some YouTube homosexual’s video where his pre-release review copy went down to 20 fps in act 3 running a 4090 and I was like no fricking way, then I got to that part of the game
>3080
Act 3 rapes your CPU, GPU is not really relevant.
Yeah I have no idea how people can even try to claim WotR is more woke than BG3, BG3 has same sex couples everywhere, actual trannies, deadnaming somehow exists as a concept in a medieval fantasy world, drag queens, fricking pronoun selection and vitiligo sliders in character creation, it's truly insane how far gone BG3 is in that regard. If you can stomach it, fine, but don't pretend it is anything other than what it is.
>Yeah I have no idea how people can even try to claim WotR is more woke than BG3
WotR is a literal gay fantasy, you like it because you're gay and in denial. Like if you read twilight you're definitely gay even if there's no implicit homosexuality in it. Persona is similar in this regard, about 99% of its fanbase troons out.
>Nah, WotR doesn't even come close to how hard WotC made Larian pozz the game.
this, WotR was nowhere near BG3 level of pozz. Also playing as Aeon and making troony Anevia man again was funny.
Having played and finished both: wotr has its flaws, but bg3 is a worse game. BG3 has better graphics and music, but its writing, plot, and characters are absolutely atrocious and actively detract from the experience. Wotr also has better itemization, and handles skill checks and rolls better than bg3. Also, 3rd ed is a better ruleset than 5th. BG3 runs well in act 1 (optimized from three years of early access) but act 3 runs like shit, even on beastly PCs it will chug down to 30-40 fps lows. For reference, the original two games ran at 30 fps on 90s hardware.
Having played both at release though, bg3 was buggy, unfinished, and tons of cut content, yet playable. Wotr didn’t have the same level of cut content and being rushed and unfinished, but wotr was extremely buggy and basically unplayable for about six months, so there’s that.
>t. Probably has a better computer than you
>BG3 has better graphics and music
I just can't agree with music part
Overall, I'd replay WotR with mythic path I haven't tried, but I just can't bring myself to replay BG3, it gives me Black person and homosexual fatigue.
PoE1+2 has by far a better mix of both polish and story than WotR (meh-to-shit polish, mid-story) or BG3 (good polish, mid-story). It lacks companions, but the world feels more cohesive. Also PoE2 has probably the best combat of the DnD-esque cRPGs
Disco Elysium btfo's everyone else on writing, style and polish. Only hampered by no combat which makes it a bit of a meme choice.
Tyranny was amazing and I won't pretend otherwise. Combat was kino, magic system was kino. Ending was lowkie kino if you cought on to the vibe of the game and weren't an entitled little shit that HAS to get more.
BG3 solely because Ivory Tower Game design sucks
I'd rather deal with 5 options, 2 of which are glaringly bad; then 90 options, somewhere between 30-70 are bad if you don't use them under the directions of some 3rd party build guide
Baldur's Gate spearheaded bad game design in CRPGs.
It fortunately died out for awhile, and RPGs could evolve, and could adopt the innovations from before Baldur's Gag. They were close to becoming the definitive gaming genre.
But now we live in an era of 'revival' throwbacks, and they dominate CRPGs. Why? Because a generation of cucks decided the golden era ought to revolve around this one shit game and its style, Baldur's Gate.
>Baldur's Gate spearheaded bad game design in CRPGs.
Only slippery slope smoothbrains who don't actually think through metaphors they spew believe this.
People badly imitating a popular game and taking a genre in stupid directions is not the fault of the original game and never will be, no matter how many times you idiots try to claim it is.
I like both but prefer BG3. People, here especially, have been whining about its writing, and it's definitely not perfect. But Wrath's writing is about 10x worse.
I guess to each their own, but as for myself I've played the WOTR early this year, beat it and then immediately did a second run with a harder difficulty and different mythic
meanwhile It's been a month and I have still not managed to force myself to finish act 1 of BG3, I just can't seem to give a frick about anyone or anything happening there
I feel like pathfinder fans really want someone to kill pathfinder discussion, because this game is not comparable to bg3 in the slightest and any critical look at it reveals that its idiotic fetch quest simulator with gacha tier combat that drooling nitwits praise because its a 'muh lvl 40 succubus waifu with anime magic' simulator where everything can be resolved with gacha tier auto attacks. Like its so atrociously shitty, what the hell is wrong with owlcat idiots? Are they too underage to remember actual rpgs? Last time I played an owlcat game here (on unfair) they just screeched and cried every time I posted webms of what the gameplay was actually like, a braindead buggy mess.
>combat was actually like, a braindead buggy mess.
As if bg3 isn't a braindead buggy mess. What a fricking joke. It's fricking insane to me how people will shit all over something like pathfinder, then go on to praise something even more fricking braindead like BG3 just because it has le turn based. A mode that signals to everyone you have low IQ and are thus unable to play in RT if anything.
If you want to criticize Pathfinder, thats fine, but don't pretend it's because you're a le hardcore real rpg gamer and it's somehow EASIER than BG3 because BG3 (and MOST TB games quite honestly) are more braindead that wotr. You homosexuals also give the game away when you claim WoTR is "too easy" and then all your complaints are about how hard it is for you stupid fricks to keep up with all the simultaneous actions going on or how you have to reload all the time.
If by shitting my pants you mean arguing (and winning) an argument over how resolving TB combat in RT let you keep 90% of the features. Are you the failed pseud who claimed you couldn't auto-attack your way through ToEE?
>You homosexuals also give the game away when you claim WoTR is "too easy"
Arguing wotr is hard like saying disgaea is hard. It's not a challenging game, it's a lawn mower game like might and Magic where you direct your stat blob to gobble up everything on the map, but where games like M&M differ is that they have interesting map exploration whereas there's none of that to be found in disgaea or pathfinder. BG3 has interesting maps, but it ALSO has tons of interesting ways to resolve encoubters which also are well designed to keep every fight from feeling the same, at least until you get your level 10 feat that let's you attack 20 times a turn, but that doesn't happen until the final act which is less combat focused anyways. The majority of my time in pathfinder was blitzing through the map trying to clear as many encounters as possible before my buffs ran out, often killing bosses by accident without even realizing it. It's just really damn stupid.
wotr is hard
You are the one making the "BG3 is hard", not the other way around, remember? >but it ALSO has tons of interesting ways to resolve encoubters which also are well designed to keep every fight from feeling the same
It does not succeed in this. No fight calls for different tactics or preparation than "buff my autoattackers with haste and chop up the enemies. Though you can throw people around, and I'll admit that is the one thing BG3 has going for it. But that's more of a funny meme playstyle than good design. >at least until you get your level 10 feat that let's you attack 20 times a turn
You mean level 5 when the game loses any semblance of difficulty and avatars of myrkul die in 2 smites.
>No fight calls for different tactics or preparation than "buff my autoattackers with haste and chop up the enemies
Yes they do lol, you have encounters like the forge where you have to kill the boss by controlling a giant machine, or the tavern boss where you have to swap different element types. Even mundane encounters have enemies that res each other, use counterspells, damaging shields, etc. Did you not play on tactician?
Oh your'e right there are those special bosses. I was more referring to the mook encounters that.that make up the vast majority of the games fights. >Even mundane encounters have enemies that res each other
oh, you must be that guy that took the 2 deaths shepherd encounters that exist in the game and pretends the whole game is like them. Counterspelling is not an interesting mechanic. >did you not play on tactician
Yeah, twice. First as war cleric, then as paladin
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Oh your'e right there are those special bosses. I was more referring to the mook encounters that.that make up the vast majority of the games fights.
The game is mostly special encounters. There is shockingly little "kill 5 bandits" fights unless you go full murderhobo, and if you do that for real it actually throws real hard encounters at you, like spawning 5 mind flayers right on top of you and shit like that.
7 months ago
Anonymous
You realize paladin was nerfed in the last patch because it was stupidly broken, right?
7 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, I did avatar of myrkul yesterday and he was much more damage resistant, just barely scraped by. They're constantly tuning shit.
>A mode that signals to everyone you have low IQ and are thus unable to play in RT if anything.
This is the dumbest argument for RT I always see.
It's not notably harder or easier than TB, it's just an auto battle function you have to manually turn on and off.
Hard to say. They're both still being worked on. Who even knows what bg3 will be like in a year? Is it even necessary to decide which one is the best? They're both crpg GOATs in my book. Some players will like the deep and complex build customization and level 40 power fantasy in WOTR. Others will like the highly interactive gameplay and the immersiveness of BG3 more.
Normalgays are still praising DOS, which was 10 times worse than this game, so I can conservatively estimate BG3 will be relevant for at least 500 more years.
BG3 hands down. There's a reason WOTR didn't pop off. BG3 took the risk, appealed to the crowd and won (and revived the genre) and for that it deserves everything.
Doesn't matter, people only say they play CRPG's like WoTR and Pillars of Eternity. No one actually buys those games, if the games were as seemingly as revered now since BG3 came out you'd assume that WoTR sold millions upon millions.
I like both WoTR and BG3, I'd love for CRPG's like Pathfinder to flourish, they don't though because everyone here is duplicitous.
Honestly, WotR. Mythic system is just much better. Story and characters are more interesting. Builds are more interesting. Areelu and Arue are both cuter than any of the women in BG3.
Sorry i don't play gayass chess vision games.
Over the shoulder or FPS only up in this b***h
I'll come back when i see a Fantasy Mass Effect on the horizon.
Peace.
I really don't like this historical revisionism about pathfinder, people were overwhelmingly super fricking pissed about kingmaker being rtwp when it came out and it had to be re-released as a definitive edition to wipe negative reviews. WotR is an even worse version of that. But then again this place is a nesting ground for contrarian morons sucking off Obsidian and Bethesda games, so reasonable views can't be expected to be found here, just a bunch of glue eating morons that hate the vast majority of rpgs and regurgitate whatever nu-codex says.
BG3 on the other hand is a universally praised masterpiece, so of course schizos are offended.
>egurgitate whatever nu-codex says
This is especially funny since I remember lilura calling it shit and complaining about being referenced in the game, everyone like that is gone now though.
maybe if you had some fricking testosterone in your body you'd realize that obsidian, pathfinder and bethesda kino is actual soul whereas bestiality gate 3 is fricking dogshit reddit slop, rope yourself
you're proving my point that you're a spineless tard that loves the smell of his own farts. sorry no, the smell of an e girl's farts, fricking degenerate.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>if you like girls you're a gay
7 months ago
Anonymous
yeah actually, i'd rather frick men than be as desperate to be abused by women with issues as you are.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>i'd rather frick men
I know.
7 months ago
Anonymous
https://www.twitch.tv/directory/category/baldurs-gate-3?sort=VIEWER_COUNT
average baldur's gate player is a 40 year old with purple hair and more sociology degrees than you have had girlfriends, fricking kys
7 months ago
Anonymous
Whelp, shows over folks. Of course the schizo screeching about "troons" and "pozzed" games is a dicksucking homosexual. Pack it in.
7 months ago
Anonymous
i support lgbtq actually, what i don't support is larian goyslop
7 months ago
Anonymous
You got aids dawg
7 months ago
Anonymous
i'd rather have aids than have the moronation required to think baldurs gate is anything better than a forgettable and generic crpg with the same soulless characters we've been getting in every game for the past 10 years. Starfield's characters are 10x better than baldur's and I don't even remember half of their fricking names homie
7 months ago
Anonymous
We know b***hes and gays have test issues which makes them also have poor rpg tastes you don't have to spell it out, we know what you're "proud" of. >Starfield's characters are 10x better than baldur's and I don't even remember half of their fricking names homie >soft r trying to fit in
b***h Black person.
Sorry I don't want to make a new thread just for this, but give it to me straight /vrpg/bros, is baldurs gate pozzed? i have not played it but watched few trailers and it game strong andromeda vibes, the characters just did not look right, the dialogue seemed off in that sort of way? Tell me is it pozzed? Pic unrelared
NGL it's pozzed as frick, but in the frick everything playersexual here is a beer here are some pretzels stupid tabletop way, not so much in the offended feminist troony let me lecture you about our inclusion issues way. Like lgbtq people are tolerable if they aren't actively trying to push their shitty politics kind of way as you got in say an anders blows up a church, or look at these man hating butterfaces we put in everywhere way.
Let's give an example so I can explain the difference a little better, the bugbear fricking a hideous ogre woman (man?) inside a barn. This is the dumb shit your 13 yr old DM cousin might have put in your actual garage game in the 90's. Flash forward to today and actual lgbtq people would have a march about it for it mocking their nastier habits. Not to mention you can get any npc naked at any point by removing gear. If you recall leftists have pushed the whole pride and inclusion nonsense most game companies due to gamergate and needing to defend all women (because a bpd prostitute exposed gamejourno homosexualry and got a gamedev suicided) while also taking on the worst traits of the moral majority prudes in games by going so far as to lock down upskirt camera angles in newer titles for the female models. Like the left has all of the worst traits now, and none of the party of times past. This at least has some party again.
Still plenty of dumb shit like every aggressive role has a woman in it while the man acts like a b***h, but maybe millennials don't even have enough test to notice this anymore, not sure.
The gameplay and rpg ability are both good and every female companion is frickable so there's that.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>everything playersexual
Gays hate "playersexual". If you look at how the gay stuff was added to New Vegas, it was a lesbian complaining that they are tired of "playersexual" characters and wanted actual gay agenda to be pushed, so of course those types are seething about bg3.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah that's part of what I'm getting at, although I didn't play NV licking lefty boot was a big deal for at least bioware starting in DA2 and DA:I
As cucky as Belgium is (home of InBev and the bud light troony debacle) they didn't play it that way in BG3.
>so of course those types are seething about bg3
I'm not really keen on blanket statements but it does feel often enough as though gays are not happy unless they're making others as miserable as them sometimes. Perhaps a gay can explain their perspective here.
7 months ago
Anonymous
if i have to give pathfinder props for anything, it was making the playersexual characters all degenerates
7 months ago
Anonymous
>ummm actually gays are seething about the lgbtq+ sex simulator
7 months ago
Anonymous
Lefties will though, since their whole culture is designed around something to be a victim about. It's like mass for catholics, or hating minorities for republicans. It's the ties that bind their obnoxious predilections together.
7 months ago
Anonymous
no it isnt. but rightoids will certainly do this.
7 months ago
Anonymous
7 months ago
Anonymous
>illegal to be normal
That's not communism though.
Communism puts emphasize traditional family values and the core family to push the image of the "perfect" commie drone on the people.
The robbing and killing part is true though.
7 months ago
Anonymous
commies thing the family unit is fake bourgeousie nonsense read engels and everyone after him is just as radical
7 months ago
Anonymous
Didn't the bolsheviks try and force a sexual revolution in the 1920's that resulted in literal rape gangs roaming the Russian countryside assaulting women because love was free and marriage was cheap?
7 months ago
Anonymous
Yes, and it was so disastrous and destabilizing for society that they had to roll it back and abandon it. Let to tons of broken marriages and families and STDs like syphillis. Also featured prominently Magnus Hirschfeld, the same German israelite who pioneer troony sex change cooperations in his Berlin “institute for sexual research” which was burned down by the Hitler Youth.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Operations* also, those were the types of books (troony nonsense) that the national socialists were burning. They always leave that part out for some reason.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>unrelated schizo rant
Yes and "normal" Germans deliberately let Lenin and a bunch of his commies through the country to Finland so they can go and destabilize Russia with their commie revolutionary shit because they were scared of getting btfo in WW1.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Did you know that Paul Warburg, the israeli banker who created the Federal Reserve in the US, had a brother who was high up in German intelligence during ww1, and his brother was key in getting Lenin into Russia? And here in the US, Wilson, also a puppet of the same bankers, was instrumental in getting Trotsky (a known Bolshevik living in Brooklyn) into Russia as well? The state department gave him a passport, ten thousand in gold, and ten thousand USD, and put him on a ship. He was actually stopped in Canada by the RCMP, before ~~*London*~~ ordered his release, even though he was known to be on his way to destabilize Russia, then the ally of the US, Canada, and the UK, at war against Germany. The Rothschilds and Jacob Schiff, richest israelite in America, also gave millions to support the Bolsheviks, and the state department and army intervened in the Russian Civil War to give arms and training to the Reds and ensure the Whites lost. Funny how my history books never told me any of that.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>claims to understand rightoids >fails to understand that there is no left without marxian/hegelian politics of asserted victimhood via whatever the new special victim class was invented
7 months ago
Anonymous
Former leftoid turned rightoid here. Can confirm that leftoids do not understand rightoids at all.
That shitty drawing has put me off from pillars forever. Now I'm never going to play it.
Pillars is… okay.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Former leftoid turned rightoid here
Sorry for your traumatic brain injury.
7 months ago
Anonymous
if a proper functioning brain constitutes as an injury then sure you could call it that.
7 months ago
Anonymous
I think you brilliantly proved my point, anon.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Its not like righoids understand "the left" any better, at least not the American ones(The european far right is a somewhat different story since a lot of some of their intellectual figures actually took direct influence from Marxism, post structuralism etc) since they just mindlessly refer to everything they don't like is "communist".
7 months ago
Anonymous
I feel like it can be justified by some 2023 zoomer but actually there is no need fir any of that stuff that you have mentioned, in other words sure in 2023 it might not be considered pozzed but all what you said sounds incredibly pozzed. I won't be wasting my time with this game or larian anymore (I played original sin2 and it I am sure it didn't have any of this shit)
based and truth pilled, you know the contrarians won't like that statement but at least they're dying since most of them are old who like playing pixellated games sksksk
Sorry I don't want to make a new thread just for this, but give it to me straight /vrpg/bros, is baldurs gate pozzed? i have not played it but watched few trailers and it game strong andromeda vibes, the characters just did not look right, the dialogue seemed off in that sort of way? Tell me is it pozzed? Pic unrelared
There's only 2 blatantly gay characters in the game and theyre both evil, a troony at a freak show that's a doppelganger and a bdsm literal devil that has a harem of incubi.
what about all those troony looking characters and gay sex?
It's super horny and gay. The relationship with the BDSM space bat-woman is grounded when compared to the pansexual incest five-way you can have in act 3. I don't think you can invite the lesbian angel or the cross-dresser who runs the circus into the orgy, but considering the writing lets you be b***h or butch to the bear, otter, or vampire twink, I'd say an upcoming patch will remedy that.
I invented not one of those things. All of those things exist in this game. Before the last patch, I told the mage I valued his friendship and he pushed my shit in.
There's only 2 blatantly gay characters in the game and theyre both evil, a troony at a freak show that's a doppelganger and a bdsm literal devil that has a harem of incubi.
BG3 is probably the better game because "muh bioware cinematic talking", but Pathfinder character building is way more fun.
Also no, there's nothing wrong with act 3 of BG3, you can stop this dumb meme and just admit that at that point you were already burned out on the game and wanted to be over, then got mad when it wasn't over, due the the massive amount of content in act 3.
BG3 is the better game because of the ridiculously detailed maps. They're a joy to explore. Never seen anything like them. Who even cares about the dialogues?
>who even cares about the dialogues.
I agree with your sentiment, but the game went with full voiced and animated cutscene dialogue. It's a huge aspect of the game.
I actually hate every conversation being a cinematic in BG3, it makes the game feel ridiculously slow and plodding and like I'm constantly on a stage about to be judged for the choice I made
BG3 is the better game because of the ridiculously detailed maps. They're a joy to explore. Never seen anything like them. Who even cares about the dialogues?
PF has more detailed building by far, BG3 has far better environment and cinema.
The thing is though lots of the building in PF is cruft around a core of opportunity costs that actually matter. BG3 building has stripped all the cruft out, leaving only the opportunity costs once you understand the 5e build system well.
It's kind of the same with the environments, PF has lots of big environments with cruft and empty walking spaces comparatively, BG3 most everything on the map matters in some way, and lots of it can even be used for setups and weapons against trash and bosses. Hardly any fight in BG3 is really 'trash' most of them have some 'tactical puzzle to figure out design' For example the wood woads on the southern island in act 1 continually regenerate life, but they also fire ensnaring vines a lot. Which can be burned, stopping their regen. Little details like that in every fight give it a lot of interesting depth that escapes PF because the builds can be used to ignore 95% of their tactical setups.
Comparing a game with mocapped actors, top quality voice acting, top quality narration, good to excellent writing, and a coherent setting to a game with cartoony badly animated sprites, mostly nonexistent voice acting, mostly nonexistennt narration, bad purple prose writing and incoherent convoluted setting is like comparing a childs scribbling with a rennaissance masterwork. And before you post, this comparison is so stupid it's not even worth spellchecking or editing my reply to it.
Oh sry forgot to also mention how BG 3 doesnt install spyware on your computer or force you to sign onto a suspiciously lengthy and litigious EULA. That being said, I can see going with Owlcat if you are a cuck who likes being treated like dirt rather than a valued consumer.
Imagine if Larian didn’t spent all that budget on the shitty narrator and fancy voice actors you’d actually get a finished game “17,000” different endings my ass.
I haven't played BG3 but I'm gonna assume it's better because they probably put in more money and work. I like WotR so far but it feels like I'm fricking playing Storm of Zehir or some shit. I'm not a huge fan of small ass mini dungeons and houses to explore. I want a more "connected" experience.
BG3 is the better graphics and better sex game (could even perhaps say, better game in genral sense for broad audiences?), but WotR might be the better RPG, the system is way too much fun.
BG3 is the best cRPG ever in all but writing, narrative, choice and consequence, characters, roleplaying, challenge, bosses, class variety, atmosphere, and world-building. So basically, the best mechanical combat and visuals (graphics, animations, cutscenes, etc.).
That reflects more on the state of the genre rather than the game itself.
BG3 combat is better. The player-world interactivity, verticality, the sandbox-ish approach, the environmental manipulation, and the base classes' skills and effects all add up to make a seriously engaging combat system that is unparalleled. Shame about the difficulty though, since there aren't enough tough or challenging encounters that would warrant much strategy, but regardless BG3 has the best cRPG combat in all. >not turn based tho
Why are you implying that turn-based is bad? It isn't at all, and you can prefer rtwp but that doesn't invalidate the merits of turn-based combat
I personally prefer turn based over RTWP but BG3's encounter design had way too many trash fights with six gorillion uninteresting mobs that were just tedious to plow through. Turn based works better with a small number of interesting enemies, ideally a party about the same size as the player's party.
>BG3's encounter design had way too many trash fights
What? Why are you talking rubbish?
Notable examples that come to mind: fighting like 40 mook dark justiciars in shars gauntlet in act 2.
Viconia fight in act 3.
Sewer fight with the slime mephits or whatever the frick in act 3.
Endgame fights that feature things like 7hp goblin trackers (that now give 400 xp for reasons)
Didn’t bother me as much in act 1 because I could still suspend my disbelief, but as the game went on, I became increasingly irritated at how shitty it was, and so the flaws became more glaring. By halfway through act 3 I wasn’t even looting anything more I was just trying to finish the game to be done with it.
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I was also playing as a solo martial so all those trash mobs had to be killed in melee, a handful at a time per turn. And my AC was high enough and my gear made me immune to crits so that many non-powerful enemies flat out couldn’t hit me, so they wouldn’t even swing, they’d just use dash and run around the map giving a combat bark. Couple this with shitty AI that makes the enemy sit there for a few seconds to think about each move, multiplied by the number of enemies per turn, multiplied by the number of turns to kill each of them, and compounded with how shitty act 3 ran at release (allegedly its been fixed but I was done playing by that point)
7 months ago
Anonymous
I was also playing as a solo martial so all those trash mobs had to be killed in melee, a handful at a time per turn. And my AC was high enough and my gear made me immune to crits so that many non-powerful enemies flat out couldn’t hit me, so they wouldn’t even swing, they’d just use dash and run around the map giving a combat bark. Couple this with shitty AI that makes the enemy sit there for a few seconds to think about each move, multiplied by the number of enemies per turn, multiplied by the number of turns to kill each of them, and compounded with how shitty act 3 ran at release (allegedly its been fixed but I was done playing by that point)
Act 3 is where I truly realized that people were right, real-time with pause is better than turn-based.
7 months ago
Anonymous
I prefer turn based, but trash fights fricking suck with turn based. They require different encounter designs. RTWP handles large fights with many combatants better. Turn based is optimized for small fights with few combatants, like 4v4.
Trash fights suck in RTWP too though, trash fights are boring and uninteresting regardless. I never felt this way about DOS2’s encounter design. I think Larians just gone downhill in everything except budget.
7 months ago
Anonymous
If Larian will continue this cinematic folly instead of good old regular textbox, I'm afraid DOS3 will suck donkey balls.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>I'm afraid DOS3 [sucks] donkey balls.
Precisely my point, anon.
Kingmaker is the only one of the three that actually feels like old RPGs, flaws like kingdom management and the optional cuck couple aside, so it wins by default in my mind.
>exploring a temple on the surface >take a ladder down >end up in the underdark
lol >open a door in the underdark >end up in the shadow cursed lands
lol lol
BG3 fricking sucks
There is no notion of where the frick you are relative to anywhere. Regions are namedropped without even a regional map contextualizing them relative to one another
Every quest is people trusting you immediately and telling you to go fetch something for them or go assassinate someone that annoys them
Repeat for every zone
It's literal slop for morons
That said wrath sucks too, just in different ways (most of them related to PF as a system).
>it's moronic to complain about immersion breaking nonsense in a rpg
I don't care if you like bg3 or not, you sound exactly like the kind of monkey brained moron that's the perfect audience for it. It's a fricking bad game designed without a hint of care or intelligence, and the only genuine reason to like it is because of the verticality it introduces to wrpg (despite japanese srpg having that dimension since the snes, but better late than never). Everything else about the game is dogshit.
>Everything else about the game is dogshit.
It pretty clearly isn't to any reasonable person and any complaint you've made about bg3 can be applied to any other crpg tenfold.
>open a door in the underdark
Just omitting the elevator they're very clear about being there? >take a ladder down
The mile long ladder was absurdly dumb, yeah.
They did not sell the selunite fort being high enough in the underdark to cut the distance down enough for a ladder to make sense.
WotR isn't even finished, after two fricking years. There's still at least one DLC to go, and probably an Enhanced Edition Plus version.
neither is bg3
Just by this line I know you haven't played the game. Act 3 is the largest part of the game.
act 3 is unfinished, refer to the cut content info
There is no "cut content", moron. The climax of the story takes part in the Upper City, and Minthara content was simply bugged (and has been patched).
>The climax of the story takes part in the Upper
Cope response by the devs. Upper city was supposed to be the gortash and cazador area, karlach heart restoration quest and much more. When you try to enter it ingame the emperor's reasoning doesn't make sense either
>Sarevok's coronation takes place at High Hall in Upper City
>Gorthash' coronation take place at Wyrm's Rock which is a fricking security outpost outside and far away from the actual city because Upper City was cut at the 11th hour
Keep chocking on Swen's waffle, you homosexual. Act 3 is cut content galore because they had to rush the release or else and no amount of damage control in interviews after information about massive amounts of cut content started getting viral will change it.
The upper city vampire lords mansion is shoved into a random guard tower up on top of a wall, lol.
It's pretty obvious that upper city was planned to be a playable area like lower and outer city, but they didn't cut it in the last month of development like some people seem to believe. More likely is that they cut it when decided to make bg bigger and seamless, but then realized their engine couldn't handle it and had to significantly downsize the scope of the city.
It was cut extremely late in the development cycle and clearly not because engine was getting all hot and bothered under wee load but because they ran out of time/money and had to rush the game out. It was cut so late that they didn't even have time to actually do anything other than move Gorthash from royal palace to security outpost because that location was actually done and make a hole in random wall just so players could do Astarion's quest. Gortash doesn't even have an actual boss battle made. And Bane doesn't have any of his lines voiced either still.
I don't see how that proves it was cut late into the development. It's not like they could do anything else about it without allowing players to visit upper city, so settled on this half-measure.
>because they ran out of time/money and had to rush the game out
They were making a shitload of money on divinity games and bg3 early access. Pretty sure it had nothing to do with money and they could have spent another year on it if they wanted to.
>they could have spent another year on it if they wanted to
So why did Larian, a company that already has history of getting nearly bankrupt and cutting lots of things just to get the game out, released it now with Act 3 being an unfinished buggy mess with glaring issues clearly linked to now non-existent Upper City instead of waiting a year to actually do things right? They were swimming in money so they totally could, as you say.
I don’t have the image handy, but as late as this summer (iirc about a month before release) the marketing team was posting pictures of locations in the upper city as places you could go. There’s a marketing picture of Astarion standing outside the gates of Cazadors mansion looking in, before it got shunted to a guard tower in the lower city to get the game out the door.
It’s possible that it had already been decided to cut the upper city and the marketing team didn’t know this, or they did know but didn’t want to admit it. We don’t really know, can only speculate, and Larian doesn’t seem to be forthcoming with the truth about what went wrong
They lie and gaslight, only morons fell for it
Honestly I played this game three years ago when the early access came out, enjoyed it, said to myself “it’s basically dos3 and has nothing to do with Baldurs gate but it’ll probably be a good game and be fun when it comes out” and dropped the game and quit reading or thinking about it.
I was quite shocked at how bad the final product was, to put it mildly.
Fricking lmao. I got fooled alright. Seeing this picture prior to the release, I can't believe I thought we were getting all that in the game. We didn't even get the whole lower city. Shameful
Black person, have you? Act 3 is the worst part of the game and completely unfinished.
This anon is correct. The game is inexcusable in its current state. Anyone who hasn’t finished it has an invalid opinion.
I wish they’d quit gaslighting and lying and be honest about what went wrong so late in development. Did they just run out of money? Or were they intentionally rushing to beat other big titles to market.
Larian nearly went bankrupt multiple times already, you can bet your ass they were running out of money yet again. I imagine after the Paladin update in EA they started gutting everything they could and asspulling Act 3 into what we got now.
But the question remains - will they actually deliver real Baldur's Gate city later? They already had to go full damage control mode on the state of Act 3.
they had to get it out before starfield
>the game sucks
>act 1 is a masterpiece
>actually its the rest of the game thats bad
>act 2 is awesome just like act 1
>uh... ummmm *nervous sweating* act 3 is the worst thing ever made trust me, its just 3 untextured rectangles and a balrog
>actually act 3 is pretty great
>NOOOOOOOOO LIAR LIAR LIAR LIAR DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE
>actually act 3 is pretty great
not at release
i loved the game but i had to take a break until they made it more playable
It's only been out for a month. Surely you don't think BG1 worked perfectly on release. Cuz it didn't.
>Surely you don't think BG1 worked perfectly on release. Cuz it didn't.
Ah yes, all of those patches being deployed in 1998.
BG3 and it's really not close. People are gunna still be playing that 20 years from now.
Which one was the breedable cute frog?
I guess that maybe i would?
Zoomer thirst at an all time high
WotR
bg3 is more polished but wotr actually makes you roleplay as the mythic path you choose, bg3 is just railroaded tav with extra fluff. bg3 combat is also extremely easy and dumbed down
>bg3 combat is also extremely easy and dumbed down
It's about 100x more complex than wotr combat, what even is this post lol
Yet BG3 is still vastly easier even on Tactician, and most battles end up as a few physical attacks then they are over.
>wotr actually makes you roleplay as the mythic path you choose
Actually... no, it doesn't. There's no fail state for not adhering to your mythic path.
That's a lie.
there are multiple moron have you played the game?
The mythic paths are the worst thing about the game
BG3 restored my hope for crpgs, wotr is a cringe moron game.
BG3 without question and you'd have to be absolutely insane to think otherwise.
Lol why is WotR even in the course? It's either Pathfinder Kingmaker or BG3
They both have their place. Pathfinder is the more hardcore experience. The sheer amount of possible builds outclasses any Larian game no contest. It can also be insanely punishing on those unfamiliar with the mechanics, those that don`t plan ahead and those that don`t constantly buff to the point it can, sometimes feel unfair. The games will trap the players in dungeons with ridiculously high AC monsters, won`t let players rest and even time events in ways that won`t let them prepare.
I shit you not, it can be very brutal and force to go back hours. WoTR is less stressful in that regard compared to Kingmaker and it added mounted combat and the mythic paths to compensate which feels nice.
And then there is BG3, which honestly is more friendly and fun. Fights can be hard but hardly ever feel unfair, mechanics are simplified (dumbed down) and scenarios are more interactive allowing for creative solutions. Plus it visually destroys the pathfinder games between the art design, graphics, character animations...
>Pathfinder is the more hardcore experience.
No its not lol, rtwp is not for grognards.
Both are shit especially baldurs gay, the gay homosexual game that shits all over the legacy of dnd, atleast pozzo always was a gay homosexual company so you can't ruin the legacy of pathfinder
bg3 visually is incredibly ugly, the art direction is honestly terrible tho pathfinder is the same but also extremely low fidelity like a 10 year old game, i can't find anything to praise about either of them tbh
i guess at least pathfinder you can speed up ultra fast and end the game sooner so you can go back to playing something good
and bg3 is so easy you never need to think about what you are doing so you can imagine yourself playing a better game while you play it
This, they literally made Balduran into a mind flayer and someone who had sex with a gay dragon. No I'm not joking. They took the founder of Baldur's Gate and made him into a homosexual who fricks a living dragon dildo.
Look at how they massacred my boy
Underrail >>>
The underrated king
Both are not RPGs.
neither, the throne remains empty
If you have to compare WoTR to BG3, I say that's already a win for Owlcat if a studio with a fraction of the budget, studio and experience is being compared to Larian.
This is a good point. If you make 1/10th as good of a game for 1/100th the cost in half the time and still sell 1 million copies, you're doing pretty good. The nuance in this thought will go over tribal fanboy heads though.
>If you make 1/10th as good of a game
Why would I praise a 1/10 game? Are you moronic?
Can't wrap your head around the thought experiment, eh?
>yes but if you had made that game, how would you feel
>I don’t understand the question. I didn’t make that game
Autism.
The only kind of person who would claim wotr is even half as good as bg3 is a turd worlder that can't run the latter on his favelatop. The distance between the two in quality is so large it'd be hard to measure.
Having played and finished both: wotr has its flaws, but bg3 is a worse game. BG3 has better graphics and music, but its writing, plot, and characters are absolutely atrocious and actively detract from the experience. Wotr also has better itemization, and handles skill checks and rolls better than bg3. Also, 3rd ed is a better ruleset than 5th. BG3 runs well in act 1 (optimized from three years of early access) but act 3 runs like shit, even on beastly PCs it will chug down to 30-40 fps lows. For reference, the original two games ran at 30 fps on 90s hardware.
Having played both at release though, bg3 was buggy, unfinished, and tons of cut content, yet playable. Wotr didn’t have the same level of cut content and being rushed and unfinished, but wotr was extremely buggy and basically unplayable for about six months, so there’s that.
>t. Probably has a better computer than you
>Also, 3rd ed is a better ruleset than 5th
Owlcat Pathfinder plays absolutely nothing like 3e. They have NOTHING in common, even the base mechanics are heavily altered.
>but act 3 runs like shit, even on beastly PCs it will chug down to 30-40 fps lows
I have a 2060s (this is a very old midrange card) and run the game on ultra settings at 1080p. I got to lower city today and it runs at 60fps????
Note ”lows”. It’ll get worse. Keep playing. I have a 3080 and at 1440p ultra it’ll range from 30-70 fps. Act 1 was 100-140.
One of the early release threads here had some YouTube homosexual’s video where his pre-release review copy went down to 20 fps in act 3 running a 4090 and I was like no fricking way, then I got to that part of the game
>Note ”lows”. It’ll get worse. Keep playing. I have a 3080 and at 1440p ultra it’ll range from 30-70 fps. Act 1 was 100-140.
It's not getting worse, they literally optimized it yesterday. Read the patch notes. You're dead wrong.
Watch as this gets ignored while schizos continue spewing lies.
>It's not getting worse
I said "It'll get worse. Keep playing." as in, wait until he gets further into act 3 beyond the very beginning of the lower city, and the performance will degrade. I wasn't saying that the game's performance has been getting worse since it was released.
>they literally optimized it yesterday. Read the patch notes
I already finished the game and uninstalled it because it sucks, I had intended to do a second playthrough but the game's too bad in its current state. Maybe in a year or two when the "definitive edition" comes out.
>You're dead wrong
>Watch as this gets ignored while schizos continue spewing lies
OK anons, if you say so. I played all of the game from release until about a week ago (fall semester started back up and I have kids), it took me like a month to finish it. I'm describing my actual experiences with this bad game. Are you really so emotionally invested in defending it on the internet that you cannot believe that someone else has a different opinion than you?
>BG3 has better graphics
yes
>and music
no
I have an i7 12700, 3070Ti, and 32gb DDR5 and the game runs fine for me with on high with native 2560x1600 resolution
I have a very similar setup and the game runs fine.
although I remember that I had to limit the framerate via nvidia panel because the fans were running like crazy.
Are you in act 3, or still in the early game? Did you try playing it at release, or are you playing it now after they've allegedly patched and improved act 3 performance? Act 3 ran like dogshit at release, which is what I was describing. Playing on a Ryzen 9 3900x, 32gb RAM, 3080 12gb, 2560x1440 native res, ultra settings. I don't know if they actually improved the performance, I finished the game and uninstalled it. I was responding to the homosexual who was like "hurr the only reason anyone dislikes bg3 is because their favela-laptop can't handle it". I'd still think the game sucks even if it ran flawlessly.
I'm literally in act 3 now and it runs fine.
This. I have an i9-11900k and an 3080. Have no performance issues at max settings.
WotR writing is about as pozzed/bad as BG3s, but it being mostly text that you can speed through and not fully voiced and animated cutscenes makes it much less of an issue. WotR let's you minimize the bad to get back to the combat and build autism.
Nah, WotR doesn't even come close to how hard WotC made Larian pozz the game.
The only pozzed things in WotR are Anevia, Sheelah and Sosiel, and all of them are from the original Paizo's AP, mind you. Owlcat even deliberately reduced pozz by hiding Anevia's shit behind really hard skill check at the end of the game while in AP you actually had to fetch magical genderbend swill and (possibly) uncover the truth, not to mention the shitfest with Sosiel's junkie boyfriend which doesn't exist in the game.
BG3 has pretty much entire race reduced to being gays, passerby NPCs talking about their same sex spouse all the time, in-your-face obnoxious aasimar dyke that makes Galfrey look like a nice person in comparison, drag queen voiced by actual drag queen, transvestite voiced by actual transvestite, Black person facial features and skin color on races where it doesn't make any sense, and many prominent NPCs in power like Flaming Fist being somehow mostly black females to the point you start wondering where are all the men are.
>3080
Act 3 rapes your CPU, GPU is not really relevant.
Yeah I have no idea how people can even try to claim WotR is more woke than BG3, BG3 has same sex couples everywhere, actual trannies, deadnaming somehow exists as a concept in a medieval fantasy world, drag queens, fricking pronoun selection and vitiligo sliders in character creation, it's truly insane how far gone BG3 is in that regard. If you can stomach it, fine, but don't pretend it is anything other than what it is.
>Yeah I have no idea how people can even try to claim WotR is more woke than BG3
WotR is a literal gay fantasy, you like it because you're gay and in denial. Like if you read twilight you're definitely gay even if there's no implicit homosexuality in it. Persona is similar in this regard, about 99% of its fanbase troons out.
cope and seethe, bg3 troony
You cry about bg3 because you're literally one of those repressed homosexual stereotypes that can't stop thinking about sucking girl wiener.
>Nah, WotR doesn't even come close to how hard WotC made Larian pozz the game.
this, WotR was nowhere near BG3 level of pozz. Also playing as Aeon and making troony Anevia man again was funny.
>BG3 has better graphics and music
I just can't agree with music part
Overall, I'd replay WotR with mythic path I haven't tried, but I just can't bring myself to replay BG3, it gives me Black person and homosexual fatigue.
I'm getting mentally ill 13 year old vibes from you.
I get troony vibes from you, dilate
does this mean you want to groom him?
>Who takes the cRPG crown?
PoE1+2
Disco Elysium
Tyranny
jesus fricking christ, no
PoE1+2 has by far a better mix of both polish and story than WotR (meh-to-shit polish, mid-story) or BG3 (good polish, mid-story). It lacks companions, but the world feels more cohesive. Also PoE2 has probably the best combat of the DnD-esque cRPGs
Disco Elysium btfo's everyone else on writing, style and polish. Only hampered by no combat which makes it a bit of a meme choice.
Tyranny was amazing and I won't pretend otherwise. Combat was kino, magic system was kino. Ending was lowkie kino if you cought on to the vibe of the game and weren't an entitled little shit that HAS to get more.
No, no, and no.
You are a fricking moron.
>PoE 1
great game but not a crown winner
>PoE 2
neutered by its abysmal story
>Bg3
Act 3 is unfinished, only act 1 is great
The winner is WOTR
>Act 3 is unfinished
its not though
Frick off, Swen.
It's finished in the sense that it's in the game. But in terms of its content and quality, it's an unfinished mess.
>t. Sawyer
>modern
Has to be BG3. WotR is anything but modern and that's why some people like it.
BG3 solely because Ivory Tower Game design sucks
I'd rather deal with 5 options, 2 of which are glaringly bad; then 90 options, somewhere between 30-70 are bad if you don't use them under the directions of some 3rd party build guide
>filtered by variety of choices
The absolute state of modernity..
holy shit what a fricking moron
>build guides
lmao
Baldur's Gate spearheaded bad game design in CRPGs.
It fortunately died out for awhile, and RPGs could evolve, and could adopt the innovations from before Baldur's Gag. They were close to becoming the definitive gaming genre.
But now we live in an era of 'revival' throwbacks, and they dominate CRPGs. Why? Because a generation of cucks decided the golden era ought to revolve around this one shit game and its style, Baldur's Gate.
Diablo 2 was an equally bad influence.
>Baldur's Gate spearheaded bad game design in CRPGs.
Only slippery slope smoothbrains who don't actually think through metaphors they spew believe this.
People badly imitating a popular game and taking a genre in stupid directions is not the fault of the original game and never will be, no matter how many times you idiots try to claim it is.
I like both but prefer BG3. People, here especially, have been whining about its writing, and it's definitely not perfect. But Wrath's writing is about 10x worse.
I guess to each their own, but as for myself I've played the WOTR early this year, beat it and then immediately did a second run with a harder difficulty and different mythic
meanwhile It's been a month and I have still not managed to force myself to finish act 1 of BG3, I just can't seem to give a frick about anyone or anything happening there
guy is so biassed its not even funny, even rates graphics better in pathfinder cause of map variety
I overall enjoyed WOTR more. But if WOTR had been made with the engine of BG3 I would have liked that even more.
BG3 is still a good RPG though.
I feel like pathfinder fans really want someone to kill pathfinder discussion, because this game is not comparable to bg3 in the slightest and any critical look at it reveals that its idiotic fetch quest simulator with gacha tier combat that drooling nitwits praise because its a 'muh lvl 40 succubus waifu with anime magic' simulator where everything can be resolved with gacha tier auto attacks. Like its so atrociously shitty, what the hell is wrong with owlcat idiots? Are they too underage to remember actual rpgs? Last time I played an owlcat game here (on unfair) they just screeched and cried every time I posted webms of what the gameplay was actually like, a braindead buggy mess.
>fetch quest simulator with gacha
lmao so clueless, pathfinder is closer to bg1/2 than larians dos3
>lmao so clueless, pathfinder is closer to bg1/2
How? It doesn't even have proper towns, they're like mmo quest hubs.
>combat was actually like, a braindead buggy mess.
As if bg3 isn't a braindead buggy mess. What a fricking joke. It's fricking insane to me how people will shit all over something like pathfinder, then go on to praise something even more fricking braindead like BG3 just because it has le turn based. A mode that signals to everyone you have low IQ and are thus unable to play in RT if anything.
If you want to criticize Pathfinder, thats fine, but don't pretend it's because you're a le hardcore real rpg gamer and it's somehow EASIER than BG3 because BG3 (and MOST TB games quite honestly) are more braindead that wotr. You homosexuals also give the game away when you claim WoTR is "too easy" and then all your complaints are about how hard it is for you stupid fricks to keep up with all the simultaneous actions going on or how you have to reload all the time.
Aren't you the low functioning autistic kid that shit his pants in the toee thread because they made fun of iwd?
If by shitting my pants you mean arguing (and winning) an argument over how resolving TB combat in RT let you keep 90% of the features. Are you the failed pseud who claimed you couldn't auto-attack your way through ToEE?
>You homosexuals also give the game away when you claim WoTR is "too easy"
Arguing wotr is hard like saying disgaea is hard. It's not a challenging game, it's a lawn mower game like might and Magic where you direct your stat blob to gobble up everything on the map, but where games like M&M differ is that they have interesting map exploration whereas there's none of that to be found in disgaea or pathfinder. BG3 has interesting maps, but it ALSO has tons of interesting ways to resolve encoubters which also are well designed to keep every fight from feeling the same, at least until you get your level 10 feat that let's you attack 20 times a turn, but that doesn't happen until the final act which is less combat focused anyways. The majority of my time in pathfinder was blitzing through the map trying to clear as many encounters as possible before my buffs ran out, often killing bosses by accident without even realizing it. It's just really damn stupid.
wotr is hard
You are the one making the "BG3 is hard", not the other way around, remember?
>but it ALSO has tons of interesting ways to resolve encoubters which also are well designed to keep every fight from feeling the same
It does not succeed in this. No fight calls for different tactics or preparation than "buff my autoattackers with haste and chop up the enemies. Though you can throw people around, and I'll admit that is the one thing BG3 has going for it. But that's more of a funny meme playstyle than good design.
>at least until you get your level 10 feat that let's you attack 20 times a turn
You mean level 5 when the game loses any semblance of difficulty and avatars of myrkul die in 2 smites.
>No fight calls for different tactics or preparation than "buff my autoattackers with haste and chop up the enemies
Yes they do lol, you have encounters like the forge where you have to kill the boss by controlling a giant machine, or the tavern boss where you have to swap different element types. Even mundane encounters have enemies that res each other, use counterspells, damaging shields, etc. Did you not play on tactician?
Oh your'e right there are those special bosses. I was more referring to the mook encounters that.that make up the vast majority of the games fights.
>Even mundane encounters have enemies that res each other
oh, you must be that guy that took the 2 deaths shepherd encounters that exist in the game and pretends the whole game is like them. Counterspelling is not an interesting mechanic.
>did you not play on tactician
Yeah, twice. First as war cleric, then as paladin
>Oh your'e right there are those special bosses. I was more referring to the mook encounters that.that make up the vast majority of the games fights.
The game is mostly special encounters. There is shockingly little "kill 5 bandits" fights unless you go full murderhobo, and if you do that for real it actually throws real hard encounters at you, like spawning 5 mind flayers right on top of you and shit like that.
You realize paladin was nerfed in the last patch because it was stupidly broken, right?
Yeah, I did avatar of myrkul yesterday and he was much more damage resistant, just barely scraped by. They're constantly tuning shit.
all rpgs are braindead
>A mode that signals to everyone you have low IQ and are thus unable to play in RT if anything.
This is the dumbest argument for RT I always see.
It's not notably harder or easier than TB, it's just an auto battle function you have to manually turn on and off.
Divinity Original Sin 3 (also known as Baldur's Gate 3)
They both fricking suck
Hard to say. They're both still being worked on. Who even knows what bg3 will be like in a year? Is it even necessary to decide which one is the best? They're both crpg GOATs in my book. Some players will like the deep and complex build customization and level 40 power fantasy in WOTR. Others will like the highly interactive gameplay and the immersiveness of BG3 more.
>Who even knows what bg3 will be like in a year?
Forgotten.
Normalgays are still praising DOS, which was 10 times worse than this game, so I can conservatively estimate BG3 will be relevant for at least 500 more years.
>10 times worse than this game
Wrong.
The combat was more fun because it was actually focused around element frickery.
BG3 hands down. There's a reason WOTR didn't pop off. BG3 took the risk, appealed to the crowd and won (and revived the genre) and for that it deserves everything.
>took the risk
>appealed to the masses
Underrail
Doesn't matter, people only say they play CRPG's like WoTR and Pillars of Eternity. No one actually buys those games, if the games were as seemingly as revered now since BG3 came out you'd assume that WoTR sold millions upon millions.
I like both WoTR and BG3, I'd love for CRPG's like Pathfinder to flourish, they don't though because everyone here is duplicitous.
I bought Kingmaker and the Pillars games, but not Wrath of BG3.
Honestly, WotR. Mythic system is just much better. Story and characters are more interesting. Builds are more interesting. Areelu and Arue are both cuter than any of the women in BG3.
I like pathfinder but the the kingdom and crusade minigames are awful, they are not hard but feel like a chore
Sorry i don't play gayass chess vision games.
Over the shoulder or FPS only up in this b***h
I'll come back when i see a Fantasy Mass Effect on the horizon.
Peace.
If it's WotR vs BG3, it's WotR.
If it is actually what the best modern CRPG is, it's Underrail.
I really don't like this historical revisionism about pathfinder, people were overwhelmingly super fricking pissed about kingmaker being rtwp when it came out and it had to be re-released as a definitive edition to wipe negative reviews. WotR is an even worse version of that. But then again this place is a nesting ground for contrarian morons sucking off Obsidian and Bethesda games, so reasonable views can't be expected to be found here, just a bunch of glue eating morons that hate the vast majority of rpgs and regurgitate whatever nu-codex says.
BG3 on the other hand is a universally praised masterpiece, so of course schizos are offended.
>egurgitate whatever nu-codex says
This is especially funny since I remember lilura calling it shit and complaining about being referenced in the game, everyone like that is gone now though.
maybe if you had some fricking testosterone in your body you'd realize that obsidian, pathfinder and bethesda kino is actual soul whereas bestiality gate 3 is fricking dogshit reddit slop, rope yourself
Yeah bro Obsidian makes games for real men.
if you like being raped by women baldur's gate is a 10/10 game, if you believe in anything and have a soul, you'll know it's a 4/10 unoriginal slog.
>if you like being raped by women
Oh no, anything but that...
you're proving my point that you're a spineless tard that loves the smell of his own farts. sorry no, the smell of an e girl's farts, fricking degenerate.
>if you like girls you're a gay
yeah actually, i'd rather frick men than be as desperate to be abused by women with issues as you are.
>i'd rather frick men
I know.
https://www.twitch.tv/directory/category/baldurs-gate-3?sort=VIEWER_COUNT
average baldur's gate player is a 40 year old with purple hair and more sociology degrees than you have had girlfriends, fricking kys
Whelp, shows over folks. Of course the schizo screeching about "troons" and "pozzed" games is a dicksucking homosexual. Pack it in.
i support lgbtq actually, what i don't support is larian goyslop
You got aids dawg
i'd rather have aids than have the moronation required to think baldurs gate is anything better than a forgettable and generic crpg with the same soulless characters we've been getting in every game for the past 10 years. Starfield's characters are 10x better than baldur's and I don't even remember half of their fricking names homie
We know b***hes and gays have test issues which makes them also have poor rpg tastes you don't have to spell it out, we know what you're "proud" of.
>Starfield's characters are 10x better than baldur's and I don't even remember half of their fricking names homie
>soft r trying to fit in
b***h Black person.
NGL it's pozzed as frick, but in the frick everything playersexual here is a beer here are some pretzels stupid tabletop way, not so much in the offended feminist troony let me lecture you about our inclusion issues way. Like lgbtq people are tolerable if they aren't actively trying to push their shitty politics kind of way as you got in say an anders blows up a church, or look at these man hating butterfaces we put in everywhere way.
Let's give an example so I can explain the difference a little better, the bugbear fricking a hideous ogre woman (man?) inside a barn. This is the dumb shit your 13 yr old DM cousin might have put in your actual garage game in the 90's. Flash forward to today and actual lgbtq people would have a march about it for it mocking their nastier habits. Not to mention you can get any npc naked at any point by removing gear. If you recall leftists have pushed the whole pride and inclusion nonsense most game companies due to gamergate and needing to defend all women (because a bpd prostitute exposed gamejourno homosexualry and got a gamedev suicided) while also taking on the worst traits of the moral majority prudes in games by going so far as to lock down upskirt camera angles in newer titles for the female models. Like the left has all of the worst traits now, and none of the party of times past. This at least has some party again.
Still plenty of dumb shit like every aggressive role has a woman in it while the man acts like a b***h, but maybe millennials don't even have enough test to notice this anymore, not sure.
The gameplay and rpg ability are both good and every female companion is frickable so there's that.
>everything playersexual
Gays hate "playersexual". If you look at how the gay stuff was added to New Vegas, it was a lesbian complaining that they are tired of "playersexual" characters and wanted actual gay agenda to be pushed, so of course those types are seething about bg3.
Yeah that's part of what I'm getting at, although I didn't play NV licking lefty boot was a big deal for at least bioware starting in DA2 and DA:I
As cucky as Belgium is (home of InBev and the bud light troony debacle) they didn't play it that way in BG3.
>so of course those types are seething about bg3
I'm not really keen on blanket statements but it does feel often enough as though gays are not happy unless they're making others as miserable as them sometimes. Perhaps a gay can explain their perspective here.
if i have to give pathfinder props for anything, it was making the playersexual characters all degenerates
>ummm actually gays are seething about the lgbtq+ sex simulator
Lefties will though, since their whole culture is designed around something to be a victim about. It's like mass for catholics, or hating minorities for republicans. It's the ties that bind their obnoxious predilections together.
no it isnt. but rightoids will certainly do this.
>illegal to be normal
That's not communism though.
Communism puts emphasize traditional family values and the core family to push the image of the "perfect" commie drone on the people.
The robbing and killing part is true though.
commies thing the family unit is fake bourgeousie nonsense read engels and everyone after him is just as radical
Didn't the bolsheviks try and force a sexual revolution in the 1920's that resulted in literal rape gangs roaming the Russian countryside assaulting women because love was free and marriage was cheap?
Yes, and it was so disastrous and destabilizing for society that they had to roll it back and abandon it. Let to tons of broken marriages and families and STDs like syphillis. Also featured prominently Magnus Hirschfeld, the same German israelite who pioneer troony sex change cooperations in his Berlin “institute for sexual research” which was burned down by the Hitler Youth.
Operations* also, those were the types of books (troony nonsense) that the national socialists were burning. They always leave that part out for some reason.
>unrelated schizo rant
Yes and "normal" Germans deliberately let Lenin and a bunch of his commies through the country to Finland so they can go and destabilize Russia with their commie revolutionary shit because they were scared of getting btfo in WW1.
Did you know that Paul Warburg, the israeli banker who created the Federal Reserve in the US, had a brother who was high up in German intelligence during ww1, and his brother was key in getting Lenin into Russia? And here in the US, Wilson, also a puppet of the same bankers, was instrumental in getting Trotsky (a known Bolshevik living in Brooklyn) into Russia as well? The state department gave him a passport, ten thousand in gold, and ten thousand USD, and put him on a ship. He was actually stopped in Canada by the RCMP, before ~~*London*~~ ordered his release, even though he was known to be on his way to destabilize Russia, then the ally of the US, Canada, and the UK, at war against Germany. The Rothschilds and Jacob Schiff, richest israelite in America, also gave millions to support the Bolsheviks, and the state department and army intervened in the Russian Civil War to give arms and training to the Reds and ensure the Whites lost. Funny how my history books never told me any of that.
>claims to understand rightoids
>fails to understand that there is no left without marxian/hegelian politics of asserted victimhood via whatever the new special victim class was invented
Former leftoid turned rightoid here. Can confirm that leftoids do not understand rightoids at all.
Pillars is… okay.
>Former leftoid turned rightoid here
Sorry for your traumatic brain injury.
if a proper functioning brain constitutes as an injury then sure you could call it that.
I think you brilliantly proved my point, anon.
Its not like righoids understand "the left" any better, at least not the American ones(The european far right is a somewhat different story since a lot of some of their intellectual figures actually took direct influence from Marxism, post structuralism etc) since they just mindlessly refer to everything they don't like is "communist".
I feel like it can be justified by some 2023 zoomer but actually there is no need fir any of that stuff that you have mentioned, in other words sure in 2023 it might not be considered pozzed but all what you said sounds incredibly pozzed. I won't be wasting my time with this game or larian anymore (I played original sin2 and it I am sure it didn't have any of this shit)
>implying that's not relevant in bg3 discussion
homie they are both gay tf u mean
based and truth pilled, you know the contrarians won't like that statement but at least they're dying since most of them are old who like playing pixellated games sksksk
i can't tell how much of this thread is bait or honest delusion
Rule of threes. It’s one third bait, one third deluded morons, one third shills
Deadfire
hey guys guess what
bg3 is really good
Sorry I don't want to make a new thread just for this, but give it to me straight /vrpg/bros, is baldurs gate pozzed? i have not played it but watched few trailers and it game strong andromeda vibes, the characters just did not look right, the dialogue seemed off in that sort of way? Tell me is it pozzed? Pic unrelared
No moron
what about all those troony looking characters and gay sex?
There's only 2 blatantly gay characters in the game and theyre both evil, a troony at a freak show that's a doppelganger and a bdsm literal devil that has a harem of incubi.
It's super horny and gay. The relationship with the BDSM space bat-woman is grounded when compared to the pansexual incest five-way you can have in act 3. I don't think you can invite the lesbian angel or the cross-dresser who runs the circus into the orgy, but considering the writing lets you be b***h or butch to the bear, otter, or vampire twink, I'd say an upcoming patch will remedy that.
I invented not one of those things. All of those things exist in this game. Before the last patch, I told the mage I valued his friendship and he pushed my shit in.
Holy shit, what in the name of frick
It's pozzed for but ebut the writing is so bad/goofy that it's hard to get mad at.
>all STR focused story companions are women
>rampant gay scenes
Take a guess.
what if i want a crpg with low fantasy european medieval setting?
All I've learned from this thread is that pathfinder gays are mentally ill.
cope
BG3 is probably the better game because "muh bioware cinematic talking", but Pathfinder character building is way more fun.
Also no, there's nothing wrong with act 3 of BG3, you can stop this dumb meme and just admit that at that point you were already burned out on the game and wanted to be over, then got mad when it wasn't over, due the the massive amount of content in act 3.
BG3 is the better game because of the ridiculously detailed maps. They're a joy to explore. Never seen anything like them. Who even cares about the dialogues?
>who even cares about the dialogues.
I agree with your sentiment, but the game went with full voiced and animated cutscene dialogue. It's a huge aspect of the game.
they also included subtitles and a skip function. it's a AAA game, it's gonna contain some shit I don't care about and that's okay by me.
>Who even cares about the dialogues?
The developers, unfortunately.
yeah we wouldn't want game developers to give a shit. that'd be just awful.
Are you moronic? Act 3's problem is the cut content not that it's too long
I actually hate every conversation being a cinematic in BG3, it makes the game feel ridiculously slow and plodding and like I'm constantly on a stage about to be judged for the choice I made
PF has more detailed building by far, BG3 has far better environment and cinema.
The thing is though lots of the building in PF is cruft around a core of opportunity costs that actually matter. BG3 building has stripped all the cruft out, leaving only the opportunity costs once you understand the 5e build system well.
It's kind of the same with the environments, PF has lots of big environments with cruft and empty walking spaces comparatively, BG3 most everything on the map matters in some way, and lots of it can even be used for setups and weapons against trash and bosses. Hardly any fight in BG3 is really 'trash' most of them have some 'tactical puzzle to figure out design' For example the wood woads on the southern island in act 1 continually regenerate life, but they also fire ensnaring vines a lot. Which can be burned, stopping their regen. Little details like that in every fight give it a lot of interesting depth that escapes PF because the builds can be used to ignore 95% of their tactical setups.
>BG3
>just a bunch of gimmicks slapped
>"good" game
Funny how Wrath is bundled with trve Baldur's Gate games, but Divinity Original Sin 3 isn't
yeah might be because it launched last month you wiener flavored crackhead
Cope. DOS3 will get bundled with other DOS games at best, because it's not a Baldur's Gate game.
>because it's not a Baldur's Gate game.
neither is "baldur's gate" 3
Comparing a game with mocapped actors, top quality voice acting, top quality narration, good to excellent writing, and a coherent setting to a game with cartoony badly animated sprites, mostly nonexistent voice acting, mostly nonexistennt narration, bad purple prose writing and incoherent convoluted setting is like comparing a childs scribbling with a rennaissance masterwork. And before you post, this comparison is so stupid it's not even worth spellchecking or editing my reply to it.
Oh sry forgot to also mention how BG 3 doesnt install spyware on your computer or force you to sign onto a suspiciously lengthy and litigious EULA. That being said, I can see going with Owlcat if you are a cuck who likes being treated like dirt rather than a valued consumer.
Imagine if Larian didn’t spent all that budget on the shitty narrator and fancy voice actors you’d actually get a finished game “17,000” different endings my ass.
By they got the nigress from rings of power
Solasta lol
I haven't played BG3 but I'm gonna assume it's better because they probably put in more money and work. I like WotR so far but it feels like I'm fricking playing Storm of Zehir or some shit. I'm not a huge fan of small ass mini dungeons and houses to explore. I want a more "connected" experience.
BG3 is the better graphics and better sex game (could even perhaps say, better game in genral sense for broad audiences?), but WotR might be the better RPG, the system is way too much fun.
BG3's turn-based system isn't helping.
BG3 is the best cRPG ever in all but writing, narrative, choice and consequence, characters, roleplaying, challenge, bosses, class variety, atmosphere, and world-building. So basically, the best mechanical combat and visuals (graphics, animations, cutscenes, etc.).
That reflects more on the state of the genre rather than the game itself.
>best mechanical combat
people say that Pillars tho? And its mechanics and combat are nothing exactly enjoyable. At least it's not turn-based tho.
*say that about Pillars
That shitty drawing has put me off from pillars forever. Now I'm never going to play it.
BG3 combat is better. The player-world interactivity, verticality, the sandbox-ish approach, the environmental manipulation, and the base classes' skills and effects all add up to make a seriously engaging combat system that is unparalleled. Shame about the difficulty though, since there aren't enough tough or challenging encounters that would warrant much strategy, but regardless BG3 has the best cRPG combat in all.
>not turn based tho
Why are you implying that turn-based is bad? It isn't at all, and you can prefer rtwp but that doesn't invalidate the merits of turn-based combat
I personally prefer turn based over RTWP but BG3's encounter design had way too many trash fights with six gorillion uninteresting mobs that were just tedious to plow through. Turn based works better with a small number of interesting enemies, ideally a party about the same size as the player's party.
>BG3's encounter design had way too many trash fights
uh what, no it doesnt
Notable examples that come to mind: fighting like 40 mook dark justiciars in shars gauntlet in act 2.
Viconia fight in act 3.
Sewer fight with the slime mephits or whatever the frick in act 3.
Endgame fights that feature things like 7hp goblin trackers (that now give 400 xp for reasons)
Didn’t bother me as much in act 1 because I could still suspend my disbelief, but as the game went on, I became increasingly irritated at how shitty it was, and so the flaws became more glaring. By halfway through act 3 I wasn’t even looting anything more I was just trying to finish the game to be done with it.
I was also playing as a solo martial so all those trash mobs had to be killed in melee, a handful at a time per turn. And my AC was high enough and my gear made me immune to crits so that many non-powerful enemies flat out couldn’t hit me, so they wouldn’t even swing, they’d just use dash and run around the map giving a combat bark. Couple this with shitty AI that makes the enemy sit there for a few seconds to think about each move, multiplied by the number of enemies per turn, multiplied by the number of turns to kill each of them, and compounded with how shitty act 3 ran at release (allegedly its been fixed but I was done playing by that point)
Act 3 is where I truly realized that people were right, real-time with pause is better than turn-based.
I prefer turn based, but trash fights fricking suck with turn based. They require different encounter designs. RTWP handles large fights with many combatants better. Turn based is optimized for small fights with few combatants, like 4v4.
Trash fights suck in RTWP too though, trash fights are boring and uninteresting regardless. I never felt this way about DOS2’s encounter design. I think Larians just gone downhill in everything except budget.
If Larian will continue this cinematic folly instead of good old regular textbox, I'm afraid DOS3 will suck donkey balls.
>I'm afraid DOS3 [sucks] donkey balls.
Precisely my point, anon.
>BG3's encounter design had way too many trash fights
What? Why are you talking rubbish?
I've tried to like WoTR but the moronic black Paladindu and most of the characters turning on you has kinda put me off.
wotr is better because of arue and cam-cam
i didn't play baldur's woke III
pathfinder is what bg3 shits out after eating nothing but white bread for a week.
I look forward to replaying BG3 again in 5 years after the Enhanced Edition with all the cut content is out.
Kingmaker is the only one of the three that actually feels like old RPGs, flaws like kingdom management and the optional cuck couple aside, so it wins by default in my mind.
Enjoyed wotr more since I hate turd-based combat.
>exploring a temple on the surface
>take a ladder down
>end up in the underdark
lol
>open a door in the underdark
>end up in the shadow cursed lands
lol lol
BG3 fricking sucks
There is no notion of where the frick you are relative to anywhere. Regions are namedropped without even a regional map contextualizing them relative to one another
Every quest is people trusting you immediately and telling you to go fetch something for them or go assassinate someone that annoys them
Repeat for every zone
It's literal slop for morons
That said wrath sucks too, just in different ways (most of them related to PF as a system).
>explore and find a gigantic 15 hour long underground zone
Oh no I hate that...
the upperdark is about 5 km below surface
And? Dude these complaints are moronic. You can't make people dislike bg3, might as well stop constantly seething.
>it's moronic to complain about immersion breaking nonsense in a rpg
I don't care if you like bg3 or not, you sound exactly like the kind of monkey brained moron that's the perfect audience for it. It's a fricking bad game designed without a hint of care or intelligence, and the only genuine reason to like it is because of the verticality it introduces to wrpg (despite japanese srpg having that dimension since the snes, but better late than never). Everything else about the game is dogshit.
>Everything else about the game is dogshit.
It pretty clearly isn't to any reasonable person and any complaint you've made about bg3 can be applied to any other crpg tenfold.
>open a door in the underdark
Just omitting the elevator they're very clear about being there?
>take a ladder down
The mile long ladder was absurdly dumb, yeah.
They did not sell the selunite fort being high enough in the underdark to cut the distance down enough for a ladder to make sense.
>The mile long ladder was absurdly dumb, yeah.
They literally did this in a cutscene, it was funny.
>Better ttrpg system
>Better companions
>Better romances
>kino music
WotR wins
Bg3s combat might have more "freedom" in how to approach situations but raw number crunching of wotr.
Mechanically, BG3 is superior but in terms of plot, characters, etc. WOTR wins.