the fact that 5 years into the game's lifespan this is something that even so much as crosses your mind when everyone did this long ago and never thought about it again shows how much of a fricking newbie you are
I would call him based but he plays Strive and got filtered hard by Xrd. Then again, maybe it proves him correct that he himself got filtered? Either way, Ultimate is very weak and is outdone by not-Melee alternatives like Project+ and Rushdown Revolt.
Probably. Speaking from experience, there are so many toxic players in the scene that b***h and moan. Hardly anything is ever their fault, everything they lose to is either some 'gimmick' or 'cheese' that invalidates the loss. Or that's what they tell themselves to cope at least. To the point where 90% of the roster can 'cheese' you. Even when they win they're like >sorry I cheesed you
Like all of you just stfu, you outplayed your opponent and won the game. You can't think the game is shit no matter the outcome and STILL keep playing it. You'll notice the best players in Smash, while they may complain or disagree with some parts, actually understand the game and adapt accordingly where possible.
>sorry I cheesed you
I think of that as a sort of ritual two players do when they willingly play a game they both know has godawful balance and was made by developers who are not merely incompetent but are also anti-competitive. Which brings us back to Leffen's point. Why don't people just play something other than Smash Ultimate? The answer is because it's nostalgia. It's comfort food. They don't have to ask hard questions if they loyally obey Nintendo and play the newest official game. It's a simple life.
No, it's because im bad at regular ass fighting games. Losing 100 times in a row is not fun or encouraging, and finding a fighting game where this doesn't happen is impossible.
>download street fighter 6 >play ranked mode >get put into Iron or whatever with all the other babies >get a "fair" winrate in the rank you belong in
Doesn't seem hard mate
>losing is not fun
No, but losing is a learning experience and instead of raging like a little baby about getting beat you should be paying attention to what your opponent is doing during the fight so you can learn them and counter. Now go suck some wiener homo
>I think of that as a sort of ritual two players do when they willingly play a game they both know has godawful balance
Anon, tell me what godawful balance is. For all the b***hing people do about Steve, he's not the character everyone picked up as a secondary. Aegis is. He doesn't dominate the meta and Acola just lost Kagaribi #11 to Miya. Miya didn't let the dude play.
And most people slept on Game and Watch before Miya showed how disgusting he is.
No doubt some characters are easier to win with, but in a roster of 80+ characters, where we have some players who use neverused characters and take sets off of top players, I don't want to hear these takes about "SSBU" being stupidly unbalanced. That's a load of shit. It's horribly underdeveloped and there are a ton of areas left unexplored.
The fact this video dropped right after Super Smash Con 2023 is proof of how unexplored the roster is.
>Anon, tell me what godawful balance is.
smush has statistically some of the worst balance of all time on top of continuing the brawl tradition of leaving out everything that made melee cool. you play a lame game for lamers
This is probably some of the gayest shit in this thread. >HURRR I OUTPLAYED YOU
It's not fricking war. It's a video game.
If you play like a b***h, then you're going to get b***hed at.
the only fun i have with this game is going to a local and enjoying friendlies for the hour and a half before the tournament starts, and if i decided to stick around long enough, the friendlies that started up again after sets up became free as the final 8 started their matches. i went to locals for the excuse of these friendlies, and i miss it. if the online was good, then this game would be amazing.
The smash community is fricking miserable and hate the game, they don't even realize it but they'll keep complaining about 75% of the roster for being unfun to play against for different reasons because of how 'fun' playing ultimate is..
I don't know what's worse, Meleegays that constantly wank ther game off as 'Perfect,' or Ultpedos who constantly stink up this board with rosterhomosexualry.
Nobody even argues melee is perfect but it's a hell of a lot better than everything that came after it. And before it but I know 64 contrarians get mad at the truth.
I enjoy Melee but I liked 4 more and Ultimate is just 4 but better, and with way more content.
Only thing I miss from Melee is Adventure Mode, but World of Light is better overall.
He's right, but Smash has a barrier of entry too. It's just a mental barrier because you have to switch items off, play on 6 out of 100 stages, pick one of ten characters considered to be good enough to play in-tournament, then not want to put your controller through the TV after getting timed out by Sonic/Steve.
It somewhat true of any game, not just ult. Even melee. If you play a multiplayer game chances are its the one popular enough to have a scene and you like well enough. Given the chance to just play any fighter to my hearts content I'd play the original Fighting Layer. Game is super neat and I wish we got more 3D fighters that mixed in 2D elements. Its not gonna happen though so I guess I'll stick with Tekken.
Ultimate was gonna be big and the same people would pursue it competitively no matter what. Doesn't make it good or bad, I've seen arguments both ways. Same for Brawl and 4. Its more just sad that's how we do things.
I think what Leffen says applies to pretty much every video game played competitively. It reminds me of the Pokemon cheating scandal from a few months ago where the main arguments boiled down to the top Pokemon players not enjoying playing Pokemon.
Pokemon is a brilliant example. Not just cause it shows how people will play anything if it is popular enough. But that you can bend over backwards to try and make anything competitive. In doing so finding interesting things about even a very basic turn based system. There's a positive in that you could push any game to this extent. No matter how flawed it is. Unfortunately that isn't what happens.
>the main arguments boiled down to the top Pokemon players not enjoying playing Pokemon.
I would say this is a different situation. Pokemon's PvP, especially the official tournament format, is completely divorced from the main game. It may as well be two different games. That's why things like Pokemon Showdown exist.
It's kind of weird how they insist on the official vgc format on being double battles only but then in the ingame experience there is at most like a couple mandatory double battles.
Honestly once you get past the novelty of having every character in the game, Ultimate is just not that good, Ultimate wasn’t the right subtitle for the game, it should’ve been called “Super Smash Bros Reunion” since it’s main selling point was “Everyone is Here”
More that most people playing it competitively don't actually like it. But stuff like being the newest smash, or the initial hype means some feel they have no other option. Not to play any other game specifically. Though Leffen would likely argue Melee, or Strive which shows how little his opinion is worth. While he is being a b***h, there is a truth about competitively gaming as a whole in there.
anyone "competing" in games like this would have more fun and be happier enjoying the game rather than trying to be sweaty autists over it
The game simply isn't fun, simple as.
It plays like shit and unlocking and buying shit to collect like a hoarder is fricking stupid.
the fact that 5 years into the game's lifespan this is something that even so much as crosses your mind when everyone did this long ago and never thought about it again shows how much of a fricking newbie you are
I don't play Smash Ultimate.
Evidently.
I DON'T GIVE A FRICK ABOUT WHAT c**tS ON X ARE DOING
I don't understand the point he is trying to make, but also
These guys are right.
these guys get it
I would call him based but he plays Strive and got filtered hard by Xrd. Then again, maybe it proves him correct that he himself got filtered? Either way, Ultimate is very weak and is outdone by not-Melee alternatives like Project+ and Rushdown Revolt.
modern controls is the future leffen accept it
>tourneyhomosexuals
Probably. Speaking from experience, there are so many toxic players in the scene that b***h and moan. Hardly anything is ever their fault, everything they lose to is either some 'gimmick' or 'cheese' that invalidates the loss. Or that's what they tell themselves to cope at least. To the point where 90% of the roster can 'cheese' you. Even when they win they're like
>sorry I cheesed you
Like all of you just stfu, you outplayed your opponent and won the game. You can't think the game is shit no matter the outcome and STILL keep playing it. You'll notice the best players in Smash, while they may complain or disagree with some parts, actually understand the game and adapt accordingly where possible.
>sorry I cheesed you
I think of that as a sort of ritual two players do when they willingly play a game they both know has godawful balance and was made by developers who are not merely incompetent but are also anti-competitive. Which brings us back to Leffen's point. Why don't people just play something other than Smash Ultimate? The answer is because it's nostalgia. It's comfort food. They don't have to ask hard questions if they loyally obey Nintendo and play the newest official game. It's a simple life.
No, it's because im bad at regular ass fighting games. Losing 100 times in a row is not fun or encouraging, and finding a fighting game where this doesn't happen is impossible.
>download street fighter 6
>play ranked mode
>get put into Iron or whatever with all the other babies
>get a "fair" winrate in the rank you belong in
Doesn't seem hard mate
>losing is not fun
No, but losing is a learning experience and instead of raging like a little baby about getting beat you should be paying attention to what your opponent is doing during the fight so you can learn them and counter. Now go suck some wiener homo
>I think of that as a sort of ritual two players do when they willingly play a game they both know has godawful balance
Anon, tell me what godawful balance is. For all the b***hing people do about Steve, he's not the character everyone picked up as a secondary. Aegis is. He doesn't dominate the meta and Acola just lost Kagaribi #11 to Miya. Miya didn't let the dude play.
And most people slept on Game and Watch before Miya showed how disgusting he is.
No doubt some characters are easier to win with, but in a roster of 80+ characters, where we have some players who use neverused characters and take sets off of top players, I don't want to hear these takes about "SSBU" being stupidly unbalanced. That's a load of shit. It's horribly underdeveloped and there are a ton of areas left unexplored.
The fact this video dropped right after Super Smash Con 2023 is proof of how unexplored the roster is.
People aren't picking up Steve because he's just not fun to play.
>Anon, tell me what godawful balance is.
smush has statistically some of the worst balance of all time on top of continuing the brawl tradition of leaving out everything that made melee cool. you play a lame game for lamers
This is probably some of the gayest shit in this thread.
>HURRR I OUTPLAYED YOU
It's not fricking war. It's a video game.
If you play like a b***h, then you're going to get b***hed at.
>Gayest shit
>WAAAAHH WHY WON'T YOU LET ME WIN IT'S JUST A GAME EVERYONE SHOULD GET TO WIN REEEEE
The only fun I had with this game was discussing the roster.
He's right in the sense that competitive ultimate doesn't have much of a future.
That said, modern fighting games aren't very good and ultimate is still a blast to play casually. It's the online for it that sucks.
>modern fighting games aren't very good
rolls eyes
They arent, they're fricking boring.
To a Smasher who struggles to count without their fingers. People won't enjoy things they can't do.
the only fun i have with this game is going to a local and enjoying friendlies for the hour and a half before the tournament starts, and if i decided to stick around long enough, the friendlies that started up again after sets up became free as the final 8 started their matches. i went to locals for the excuse of these friendlies, and i miss it. if the online was good, then this game would be amazing.
He's right only if he's talking about a different genre entirely. Fighting games are such dogshit it's unreal
>fgc Black folk seething at ultimate, news at 11
let it go
Adventure mode is a one and done. Not very memorable outside of boss fights.
What does the Smash roster do when they're not fighting?
typical rostergay barges into a gameplay thread shitting the place up with pedophilic hentai. cure your porn addiciton, my man.
Sora is 18.
He's 16 as of KH3
Given Sora spent a year in death dimension limbo where no aging happens and only spent a week in Quadratum.....the kid is still fifteen.
rotted coom brained degenerate. fix your life, loser.
Competitiveness rots your personality
How is Leffen STILL not banned from everything? Do meleegays all want M2K to kill himself as well?
Everyone is either:
>FUUUUK too gud 4 u
Tourny gays or
>LMAO nothing matters, AMIRITE
There's a happy intersection between casual and gays that nobody seems to want to explore.
Oh yeah. High level smash is just fricking boring to watch.
He's right but he himself got filtered by every fighting game that has an actual competitive scene.
This fricking homosexual is never right in anything.
He did an amazing job making the EVO an snoozefest picking the most boring character to watch
That is the truest thing Leffen has ever said.
The smash community is fricking miserable and hate the game, they don't even realize it but they'll keep complaining about 75% of the roster for being unfun to play against for different reasons because of how 'fun' playing ultimate is..
>why aren't you playing Melee >:(
I don't know what's worse, Meleegays that constantly wank ther game off as 'Perfect,' or Ultpedos who constantly stink up this board with rosterhomosexualry.
Anyone who engages in sequel wars.
Nobody even argues melee is perfect but it's a hell of a lot better than everything that came after it. And before it but I know 64 contrarians get mad at the truth.
I enjoy Melee but I liked 4 more and Ultimate is just 4 but better, and with way more content.
Only thing I miss from Melee is Adventure Mode, but World of Light is better overall.
He's right, but Smash has a barrier of entry too. It's just a mental barrier because you have to switch items off, play on 6 out of 100 stages, pick one of ten characters considered to be good enough to play in-tournament, then not want to put your controller through the TV after getting timed out by Sonic/Steve.
It somewhat true of any game, not just ult. Even melee. If you play a multiplayer game chances are its the one popular enough to have a scene and you like well enough. Given the chance to just play any fighter to my hearts content I'd play the original Fighting Layer. Game is super neat and I wish we got more 3D fighters that mixed in 2D elements. Its not gonna happen though so I guess I'll stick with Tekken.
Ultimate was gonna be big and the same people would pursue it competitively no matter what. Doesn't make it good or bad, I've seen arguments both ways. Same for Brawl and 4. Its more just sad that's how we do things.
Leffen isn't wrong. Ultimate is fricking awful from a competitive perspective.
Yeah they'd be happier playing something that isn't fricking Smash.
I think what Leffen says applies to pretty much every video game played competitively. It reminds me of the Pokemon cheating scandal from a few months ago where the main arguments boiled down to the top Pokemon players not enjoying playing Pokemon.
Pokemon is a brilliant example. Not just cause it shows how people will play anything if it is popular enough. But that you can bend over backwards to try and make anything competitive. In doing so finding interesting things about even a very basic turn based system. There's a positive in that you could push any game to this extent. No matter how flawed it is. Unfortunately that isn't what happens.
>the main arguments boiled down to the top Pokemon players not enjoying playing Pokemon.
I would say this is a different situation. Pokemon's PvP, especially the official tournament format, is completely divorced from the main game. It may as well be two different games. That's why things like Pokemon Showdown exist.
It's kind of weird how they insist on the official vgc format on being double battles only but then in the ingame experience there is at most like a couple mandatory double battles.
Yes, especially as DLC rolled in.
Leffen is STILL seething about Ultimate?
Meleegays define themselves by what they don't play more than what they play.
Does Leffen even play Melee anymore?
Last I heard he fricked off from Smash and started playing Strive
Honestly once you get past the novelty of having every character in the game, Ultimate is just not that good, Ultimate wasn’t the right subtitle for the game, it should’ve been called “Super Smash Bros Reunion” since it’s main selling point was “Everyone is Here”
so his criticism is that it's not another game that he doesn't bother to specify
More that most people playing it competitively don't actually like it. But stuff like being the newest smash, or the initial hype means some feel they have no other option. Not to play any other game specifically. Though Leffen would likely argue Melee, or Strive which shows how little his opinion is worth. While he is being a b***h, there is a truth about competitively gaming as a whole in there.
Holy shit, go back Gankerappa
I will not learn nuclear launch codes just to use basic essential moves like projectiles