She scares me.
Also, frick microsoft for these perverted dev diary trailers. it's too on-the-nose seeing it go through the same checklist as the starfield one did
[...]
She scares me.
Also, frick microsoft for these perverted dev diary trailers. it's too on-the-nose seeing it go through the same checklist as the starfield one did
What is this? Adult day care?
She doesn't seem like CS type. She is credited as "design director", does that mean she just the idea guy? She just farts out half-assed ideas and someone else has to find a way to implement them.
>She doesn't seem like CS type.
Various product managers and designers are important part of the development process, especially for such multidisciplinary products like videogames.
At least in principle.
The job of a design director is to ensure that all the designers are on the same page and working towards the same goal. This can mean just being the ideas guy, but usually also involves shooting down other people's ideas if they don't fit the overall vision, and maintaining the internal documentation.
[...]
She scares me.
Also, frick microsoft for these perverted dev diary trailers. it's too on-the-nose seeing it go through the same checklist as the starfield one did
It's funny how she seems to be the only one that's passionate about the game. I wish nerd devs wouldn't be such pushovers when it came to women, because they always let them ruin shit.
You're just mad I called you a homosexual, and you know what else, it also seems like your mom should have been killed and her vegana should have been stitched up by the doctors so you get stuck in there and never been born.
>You WILL raise your hand before speaking (obtain permission to communicate from me). >You WILL participate (obedience to my divine feminine will). >ANY criticism is a personal attack due to closed mindedness (kneel to my glory). >You WILL respect me, but I'm not a tyrant because I've refused titles (plausible deniability).
Mental illness wrought by a disordered society that rejects God.
>rule how you want to rule
Can I be a monarchical despotic god-king with enforced sexism and daily heart sacrifices to the sun god? >procedurally generated map!
I recognise this marketing language... from 2010. Yawn. >crafting mechanics!
Ugh. >science victory means mecha just like in my favourite anime!
Ugggghhh. I don't know what I hate more, that in these kinds of games, military victories (or any victory) are supposed to be won by WWI or that science nations DO NOT have the capacity to make or even fund what they invent. On top of the fact that you never got to use giant robots in any Civ. >we wanted a fresh perspective for history games >>>>Zulu, Genghis Khan, Boudica, Confucius
This. She's just the new ruling class.
Aright, here is an uncompleted list of leaders and nations I gather from that video. Some were right there on the screen, other I get from their mouse-overs at 1:50 and 2:00 mark. >Itzcoatl (Aztec) >Joanna d’Arc (France) >Sapho (Greece) >Alexander the Great (Macedonia or second Greek leader) >Wu Zerian (China) >Confucius (China) >Shaka (Zulu) >Irene Sarantapechaina (Byzatium) >Boudica (Celts) >Genghis Khan (Mongolia) >Yaa Asantewaa (Ghana) >Nefertiti (Egypt) >Cesare Beccaria (Italy) >Sennacherib (Assyria) >Sejong (Korea) >Harun al-Rashid (Abbasid Caliphate) >Nicolar Copernicus (Poland) >Charlemagne (The Holy Roman Empire) >Leopold I (Belgium) >Hildegard of Bingen (Germany) >Ashoka (India) >Ramkhamhaeng? (Siam) >Catherine the Great (Russia) >Pachacuti? (Inca) >Ceasar? (Rome) >Elizabeth I (England) >George Washington (USA) >Harriet Tubman (second USA leader I guess) >Tamara the Great (Georgia) >Amanirenas (Kush) >Howard Florey (Australia) >Isabella of Castile (Spain)
Thoughts?
>(British) Celts and English in the same game
Uhuh. Why bother putting England twice?
Is it because Wales, Scotland and Ireland are pathetic footnotes? Honestly it just makes me annoyed I can't pick my specific era of Britain to play as if they're constantly just bringing up Boudica in these games because WOMAAAN whilst also giving England WOMAAAN despite making up barely any of our rulers.
Give me Margaret Thatcher you c**ts. I want to see the left eat itself at the prospect.
Also most of these are just the same picks Civ does.
>(British) Celts and English in the same game >Uhuh. Why bother putting England twice?
She's the leader of all celts, not britons(welsh) specifically. They really should split the celts up. Get Scotland, Ireland, Brittany, Gaul, and Galatia some representation. Caratacus(Caradog) would be a better pick for a British/Welsh leader anyways. >England WOMAAAN despite making up barely any of our rulers.
At least 3 of the 5 English Queens were good at their jobs.
The fact Belgium is even considered a civ in the first place is hilarious.
It's an artificial state that only exists due to British meddling. It has no national identity by virtue of being Wallonians and Flemish people smushed together to act as a buffer between the Netherlands and France. It's younger than the USA.
Wonder what the OG stockphotoguy that ended up becoming the face of all this shit is up to these days, gotta be a mindfrick to se yourself become as symbol like that.
Why does these social justice types always need to leave written notes about whatever microaggressions they are hyper focusing on this time when it's something clearly on their mind 24/7? I don't have any notes at my desk saying the obvious >Do NOT say the nword (out loud) >Food goes in mouth
Why is everything so creatively bankrupt these days
Their only "original" thought is adding idiotic crafting micro where I'll now have to first queue up 3 rugs and a counter before I can build a carpet shop.
Why even bother making a game if all you'll be doing is cloning an already tired series with no real personal input whatsoever?
>Ground Control is not an RTS >Total War is not an RTS >World In Conflict is not an RTS >Z is not an RTS >Civilization is an RTS
your valuable opinion has been noted
Yes literally none of these are RTS >Civ >turn based >REAL time strategy
lol
3 months ago
Anonymous
War is not an RTS
In Conflict is not an RTS
These most definitely are not RTS. >Ground Control is not an RTS >Z is not an RTS
Haven't played these so I can't tell. >Civilization is an RTS
Don't be disingenuous, the RT part is self-implied.
>NO IT HAS TO BE INNOVATIVE AND EXACTLY THE SAME
ok spergs
War is not an RTS
In Conflict is not an RTS
These most definitely are not RTS. >Ground Control is not an RTS >Z is not an RTS
Haven't played these so I can't tell. >Civilization is an RTS
Don't be disingenuous, the RT part is self-implied.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Ground control is pretty much an more open proto-World In Conflict.
Same devs. Not an RTS, but a really good game.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Don't be disingenuous, the RT part is self-implied.
he's the one asking for strict definitions
3 months ago
Anonymous
you can't get any stricter than the very word "real-time" homie
Apart from the Civ part, what you said is all completely correct. It's perfectly normal to not mention the real-time from the context of the conversation. Why sperg out like this?
you forgot to include in real time, Black person. That's what separate something like Total War from AoE. In Total War you handle the strategy in a turn-based mode and the combat in a real time mode.
If proper classifications are not provided, the term RTS will degenerate just like RPG.
base building
resource gathering
unit production
unit control
an RTS needs to contain all of these
Base building is a stretch, but bases of production is the bare minimum distinguishing RTS from RTT.
>Ground Control is not an RTS >Total War is not an RTS >World In Conflict is not an RTS >Z is not an RTS >Civilization is an RTS
your valuable opinion has been noted
If the distinction between RTS and RTT are hard for you, try to play games like TW or WiC in multiplayer and compare them to MP of Starcraft and Company of Heroes.
Singleplayer campaigns often do a hodgepodge of mechanics to avoid monotony.
>Their only "original" thought is adding idiotic crafting micro
the crafting is probably the least original part of it though since every fricking game has to include crafting now, it reminds me of the anon in a recent thread who worked on that ww1 hospital Frostpunk game. He said that their publisher forced them to include crafting mechanics even though they didn't fit the game, just because crafting is "in" right now.
Has anybody here actually followed the development of the game?
I do posts with Mesoamerican history and archeology and have issues with how they designed Itzcoatl as an Aztec leader, but I haven't followed Ara that closely so i'm trying to make sense of what exactly was shown in video
I'm gonna be real with you bro, this game looks like trash so I doubt any of us have followed its development closely. Someone posted about it months ago when it was announced, and it was hard to even tell what they were aiming for besides "you get to tell YOUR story".
So yeah it wouldn't surprise me if they got everything wrong historically speaking.
Because there's been a bunch of dev blog posts and videos as well as alpha tests with the insider program?
>and have issues with how they designed Itzcoatl as an Aztec leader,
Why?
Because it's not really close to being accurate or even authentic. I'm not an expert on Medieval European or Asian culture or whatever but the leader outfits for those seem relatively grounded from what I can tell.
Itzcoatl is wearing a Jaguar warsuit (which is military equipment, not garb worn by rulers in a general official context, and is probably too low status for a king to wear into combat, though not impossible) with one side torn off (imagine if Napoleon had half his suit/vest ripped off) and a pretty haphazard looking braclet on that side, with a similarly primitive looking necklace and collar garment with like rope and leather staps, the warsuit also has random ropes tied to it and "claws" shittly stitched onto one of the sleeves.
It also seems to be made of actual pelt and not feather mosaic. I don't think there's a gambeson vest/tunic beneath the warsuit either but it's hard to tell, and the israelitelery he has on his waist is either a wierd take on a ballplayer yoke or is totally made up. The helmet isn't made to blend into/with the warsuit at all, and has a random made up headdress attached to it, instead of the quetzallalpiloni tassels they would have had. There's also an attempt at a royal crown/diadem slapped onto it but it's not right either nor would it be attached to a helmet.
TL:DR:
They didn't actually use the dress/ornaments Aztec rulers had (see pic, though this also excludes quetzallalpiloni), the jaguar warsuit has a lot of random changes/additional made up garments that make no sense, and everything is also made to look "primitive" and hobbled together rather then actually made by artisans and refined like it would have because these were giant urban civilizations that made obtaining luxury goods their entire motive for large scale conquests, not a bunch of tribes living in huts.
Also in some of the real early stuff they showed a version of the Temple of Kukulkan without any paint or stucco on it, as if it were ruins
Because there's been a bunch of dev blog posts and videos as well as alpha tests with the insider program?
[...]
Because it's not really close to being accurate or even authentic. I'm not an expert on Medieval European or Asian culture or whatever but the leader outfits for those seem relatively grounded from what I can tell.
Itzcoatl is wearing a Jaguar warsuit (which is military equipment, not garb worn by rulers in a general official context, and is probably too low status for a king to wear into combat, though not impossible) with one side torn off (imagine if Napoleon had half his suit/vest ripped off) and a pretty haphazard looking braclet on that side, with a similarly primitive looking necklace and collar garment with like rope and leather staps, the warsuit also has random ropes tied to it and "claws" shittly stitched onto one of the sleeves.
It also seems to be made of actual pelt and not feather mosaic. I don't think there's a gambeson vest/tunic beneath the warsuit either but it's hard to tell, and the israelitelery he has on his waist is either a wierd take on a ballplayer yoke or is totally made up. The helmet isn't made to blend into/with the warsuit at all, and has a random made up headdress attached to it, instead of the quetzallalpiloni tassels they would have had. There's also an attempt at a royal crown/diadem slapped onto it but it's not right either nor would it be attached to a helmet.
TL:DR:
They didn't actually use the dress/ornaments Aztec rulers had (see pic, though this also excludes quetzallalpiloni), the jaguar warsuit has a lot of random changes/additional made up garments that make no sense, and everything is also made to look "primitive" and hobbled together rather then actually made by artisans and refined like it would have because these were giant urban civilizations that made obtaining luxury goods their entire motive for large scale conquests, not a bunch of tribes living in huts.
>and have issues with how they designed Itzcoatl as an Aztec leader,
Why?
Finally, as an example, here's the feather mosaic technique which would have been used to make the outside of the warsuit, helmet, etc applied to catholic iconography since the Spanish were, understandably, blown away at the art form and commissioned Mesoamerican artists to make them.
These were some of the most high-effort and intricate pieces of art, let alone military equipment ever made, the fact everybody jumps to make it look like a bunch of people in the woods with no practice stitched it together is stupid
If they NEEDED to have it recognizably "Aztec" to normies so the actual normal garb of an Aztec ruler would be too obscure (and they don't have the dignity to try to be accurate anyways), then they could probably combined a jaguar patterned warsuit, with maybe the ehuatl skirt armor and the actual cloaks rulers wore in an amalgam of accurate bits that may not have usually gone together but would at least use actual garments.
brah youre talking about a game where fricking sappho "the tolerant" leads ancient greece
Sure, but she's not wearing rags tied together with rope. The other leaders still wear something that mostly looks right.
Aright, here is an uncompleted list of leaders and nations I gather from that video. Some were right there on the screen, other I get from their mouse-overs at 1:50 and 2:00 mark. >Itzcoatl (Aztec) >Joanna d’Arc (France) >Sapho (Greece) >Alexander the Great (Macedonia or second Greek leader) >Wu Zerian (China) >Confucius (China) >Shaka (Zulu) >Irene Sarantapechaina (Byzatium) >Boudica (Celts) >Genghis Khan (Mongolia) >Yaa Asantewaa (Ghana) >Nefertiti (Egypt) >Cesare Beccaria (Italy) >Sennacherib (Assyria) >Sejong (Korea) >Harun al-Rashid (Abbasid Caliphate) >Nicolar Copernicus (Poland) >Charlemagne (The Holy Roman Empire) >Leopold I (Belgium) >Hildegard of Bingen (Germany) >Ashoka (India) >Ramkhamhaeng? (Siam) >Catherine the Great (Russia) >Pachacuti? (Inca) >Ceasar? (Rome) >Elizabeth I (England) >George Washington (USA) >Harriet Tubman (second USA leader I guess) >Tamara the Great (Georgia) >Amanirenas (Kush) >Howard Florey (Australia) >Isabella of Castile (Spain)
Thoughts?
>devs make a big deal about representing the diversity of players and going with underutilized parts of history >75% of playable things are from europe/anglo nations, the middle east, or east asia >there are only 2 playable leaders/cultures for the entire premodern western hemisphere
look, you're an autist but most people don't care. give us mayas aztecs and incas and we're fine.
sure they could include mississippians and toltecs and nazarés but no1 gives a frick. in fact I can already see the first dlc is gonna be Black person cultures based
3 months ago
Anonymous
It's litterally half the fricking planet.
Not saying they should do as many American civs as Eurasian ones, but do more then one per continent, give like Mesoamerica, the Andes, and the rest of the Americas like 2-3 each at least cmon.
Or for fricks sake at least don't mishandle the ones you do use like they did with the Aztec
>Toltecs
Didn't really exist. The Purepecha should be your go to after the Aztec and Maya, IMO
>devs make a big deal about representing the diversity of players and going with underutilized parts of history
Anon, it's just corpo marketing talk. They are raping history all around, not just the Aztecs.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Oh I'm well are that this stuff is mostly fluff, but I don't know, can you point to another leader other then ironically enough shaka that looks as off as Itzcoatl does vs what the real life ruler/person would have worn?
3 months ago
Anonymous
Wu Zetian is an easy pick.
The clothes are just copy-pasted from a Chinese show (imdb.com/title/tt4409784/), but they actually fricked up even that.
Besides the actresses' clothes being wholly invented for the show, they changed a detail to have her main "shirt" have an overlap. Except this is one thing that Chinese (and all cultures in that area) were extremely pedantic about. Clothes are worn with an overlap on the right side, she has it inverted.
That alone tells you not a single Asian (native) or American Asian (who cares about history) has seen the concept art, 3D model, etc. since this is like wearing a western T-shirt with the neckline in the back.
Confucius also has it fricked in the concept art, but it's correct in the 3D model.
You can probably guess that he's not accurate either, but I'll skip that for now.
Genghis is also just a copy-paste from some Mongolian LARPers. https://i.pinimg.com/474x/e1/67/af/e167afbef4f1d3de881823b1315dd149.jpg
It's both not accurate to an actual soldier, being chock-full of fantasy elements (bracers are a fantasy trope, that fricking belt, double shoulderpads for that real Warcraft experience), obvious cost-savers for not-so-well-off LARPers and that's before we even touch on the fact this is supposed to be the khan, not a mook.
Also, Temujin himself was definitely not black haired. It's up to interpretation whether he was ginger or just brown but certainly not black.
There is really no research at all going into these characters. If first Google result spits out an accurate image, they'll look accurate. If not, they won't.
Contrast all of what I said above with Sejong, who's as unique and daring as putting butter on bread but certainly looks decent because there's a firing squad waiting for anyone in S.Korea who doesn't depict him according to the government prescribed standard (which is, to their credit, accurate for a kingperor of Joseon of his time).
It's not a full list of civilizations. It's only 32 out of 45. I don't know about the rest 13.
We know Songhai are in by this screenshot
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What he looked like in game in the video
Also in some of the real early stuff they showed a version of the Temple of Kukulkan without any paint or stucco on it, as if it were ruins
but idk about the leader.
Japan probably is also in. The leader might be the Oda-looking guy on the left on the third row or the granny on the right from the dark silhouette. Maybe both.
First guy on the left on second row is probably Haile Selassie of Ethiopia.
On the fourth row I can see Cyrus or other Persian ruler.
Somewhere else in the video I saw civ emblem with red horse on white background, so that's probably some north american natives, but I don't know which since they didn't mouse over it. But the guy on the right on the sixth row was the leader. Again don't know who that might be. (although still that only give us 3 playable premodern western hemisphere civs, we don't even get Maya from the look of it.)
The rest of the leaders look quite modern and I don't recognize them. Although what's that woman in crown on the fourth row. Gives me Tomyris of Scythia vibe.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I agree
Japan is the brown guy next to Isabella of Castille, that's Nobunaga
The woman underneath them looks like Tomyris (Scythia) from Civ 6
I think the black man in the green sash is Haile Selassie (Ethiopia)
The guy next to Selassie looks like Jose de San Martin (Argentina) or Santa Anna (Mexico)
The man on the 4th row next to the Persian looks like William McKinley (USA) but that's unlikely
>idk about the Songhai leader.
Safe to guess it's Askia like in Civ 5.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>The man on the 4th row next to the Persian looks like William McKinley (USA) but that's unlikely
It's not well visible but that guy also has mustaches, so this also goes against McKinley. >Safe to guess it's Askia like in Civ 5.
Yeah, no doubt it's that black guy in red in the first row.
What I wonder the most is who's that square-jaw woman in what looks like modern t-shirt. I have no idea who that could be, but she has a specific look.
Looks like Eador
[...]
Leopold's there too, so does that cancel it out?
>Leopold's there too, so does that cancel it out?
You're thinking of Leopold "I own Congo" the Second. This game has Leopold the First who's know for Idk. I don't think anyone beside Belgians knows about Belgian history.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I think it might be that female Indian PM.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Dunno, I don't see resemblance.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>What I wonder the most is who's that square-jaw woman in what looks like modern t-shirt
I think it might be that female Indian PM.
Golda Meir?
Israeli who funked up the Israelo-Egyptian war
3 months ago
Anonymous
>This game has Leopold the First who's know for Idk. I don't think anyone beside Belgians knows about Belgian history.
I don't know anything at all about Belgian history but surely Albert I is obviously the best choice
3 months ago
Anonymous
What has Belgium done other than waffles, chocolate and killing millions of nigs in the congo?
3 months ago
Anonymous
I checked our reddit and here's their guesses about the remaining leaders: >second guy on the second row
Simon Bolivar (Gran Colombia) >woman in green beside him
Wilma Mankiller (Cherokee) >guy in top hat
Benito Juarez (Mexico) >first guy on the fourth row
John A. Macdonald (fricking Canada) >woman right beside him
Zenobia (Palmyra) >woman in purple on the bottom
Eva Peron (Argentina)
Keep in mind, it's not confirmed. It's just their guess. Although at least Macdonald seems to match too well to be someone else. Which is stupid because I hate the idea of adding Canada to civilization game. Would rather go for anything else.
Also still no idea what the granny from the fourth row, the mustache guy from the same row and the guy in red on the sixth row suppose to be.
It refers to the fact that they were organized as a sort of martial religious order similar to the knightly orders of the crusades. They had their own headquarter-temple in another city (Malinalco) and acted as a sort of political bloc that existed parallel to the hereditary nobility. Knight is a social rank not a word for heavy cavalry. They usually fought as heavy cavalry. But that's not what made them knights.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>It refers to the fact that they were organized as a sort of martial religious order similar to the knightly orders of the crusades
Those are Paladins, anon. Knight is a term for nobility that originated from the french Chevalier. Maybe they should use correct terminology if they didn't want to cause unnecessary confusion.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Knight is a term for nobility that originated from the french Chevalier
Wrong. It originated from the Old English 'Cniht' which referred to a young boy, usually in the context of a servant. Young servant boys had a weird habit of inheriting plots of land from lords they had served well which led to the role actually being coveted by the nobility and others of that sort. Which is how they became a sort of lesser nobility in the English world. Chevalier was just the French term that was adopted to describe them because they usually fit the bill as a "horse rider."
Once again, Knight is a social term. It refers to a rank within the feudal order. A lesser, usually landowning, pseudo-noble. They usually did act as heavy cavalry (except when they fought dismounted whenever horses would be impractical) but that is not what made them knights.
Thank you, this. I see "+10% to scratching your ass when sitting in a green chair", I sleep.
Those godawful shitty tiny "shifts the balance juuuuuuust enough" percentages are the most boring garbage ever. And they're everywhere nowadays because everything has to be balanced perfectly for multiplayer, except it never is because meta-autists will milk this uninspired crap dry anyway and shave off a crucial turn in the doomstack race.
I think they really are a testament to cowardice of a design team. Only those with a myopic vision (that will accept a note like
Lmao what the frick is this
) can create something so pedestrian.
They want to lure you into a game about grand civilizations, but they approach it like they're parks and recreation. It's like civ6 in that regard where most of the game you're thinking about how you're zoning areas.
Because there's been a bunch of dev blog posts and videos as well as alpha tests with the insider program?
[...]
Because it's not really close to being accurate or even authentic. I'm not an expert on Medieval European or Asian culture or whatever but the leader outfits for those seem relatively grounded from what I can tell.
Itzcoatl is wearing a Jaguar warsuit (which is military equipment, not garb worn by rulers in a general official context, and is probably too low status for a king to wear into combat, though not impossible) with one side torn off (imagine if Napoleon had half his suit/vest ripped off) and a pretty haphazard looking braclet on that side, with a similarly primitive looking necklace and collar garment with like rope and leather staps, the warsuit also has random ropes tied to it and "claws" shittly stitched onto one of the sleeves.
It also seems to be made of actual pelt and not feather mosaic. I don't think there's a gambeson vest/tunic beneath the warsuit either but it's hard to tell, and the israelitelery he has on his waist is either a wierd take on a ballplayer yoke or is totally made up. The helmet isn't made to blend into/with the warsuit at all, and has a random made up headdress attached to it, instead of the quetzallalpiloni tassels they would have had. There's also an attempt at a royal crown/diadem slapped onto it but it's not right either nor would it be attached to a helmet.
TL:DR:
They didn't actually use the dress/ornaments Aztec rulers had (see pic, though this also excludes quetzallalpiloni), the jaguar warsuit has a lot of random changes/additional made up garments that make no sense, and everything is also made to look "primitive" and hobbled together rather then actually made by artisans and refined like it would have because these were giant urban civilizations that made obtaining luxury goods their entire motive for large scale conquests, not a bunch of tribes living in huts.
extremely based posts. I don't know why mesoamerica is this badly portrayed when it's one of the regions we have the most info on, compared to say pre contact Algonquins or iroquois
Capitalism does not permit niches to exist. Everything must be as bland and inoffensive as possible to appeal to as many groups of people as possible. Every car must become a grey, amorphous thing so that no one is intimidated by it. Every entertainment product retracing the steps of those before them, either by "remaking" an existing game/movie and replacing characters with members of "marginalized groups" or by rehashing things that have been done many times before.
It isn't capitalism that does not permit niches to exist, it is "investor" stockmarket capitalism which forces companies to always look for more and more profit, no growth = death there.
yes im 100% sure that in the perfect communist utopia there will be a government branch to make autistic spreadsheet strategy games that only 0.1% of people will ever play
Because gaming itself was a niche. Smaller companies catered to a smaller number of geeks who didn't care that gaming was considered a childish activity. Gaming was expensive and players were picky so devs had to pay attention to innovation and quality. Rampant piracy was a double-edged sword that on one hand cut into devs' profits, and on the other it popularized gaming and allowed players to sample a large variety of games, some of which would turn into paying customers over time.
Now we have large publishers calling the shots, normie gamers of all ages outnumbering the geeks, and piracy is virtually unheard of now that some of the top grossing games are free to play.
cars are in fact garbage because the combination of crash regulations and literally, explicitly and intentionally impossible fuel consumption standards which combine to allow for exactly one kind of basic car frame. exceptions are sold at a premium using by driving up the manufacturer's "fleetwide" averages.
Aright, here is an uncompleted list of leaders and nations I gather from that video. Some were right there on the screen, other I get from their mouse-overs at 1:50 and 2:00 mark. >Itzcoatl (Aztec) >Joanna d’Arc (France) >Sapho (Greece) >Alexander the Great (Macedonia or second Greek leader) >Wu Zerian (China) >Confucius (China) >Shaka (Zulu) >Irene Sarantapechaina (Byzatium) >Boudica (Celts) >Genghis Khan (Mongolia) >Yaa Asantewaa (Ghana) >Nefertiti (Egypt) >Cesare Beccaria (Italy) >Sennacherib (Assyria) >Sejong (Korea) >Harun al-Rashid (Abbasid Caliphate) >Nicolar Copernicus (Poland) >Charlemagne (The Holy Roman Empire) >Leopold I (Belgium) >Hildegard of Bingen (Germany) >Ashoka (India) >Ramkhamhaeng? (Siam) >Catherine the Great (Russia) >Pachacuti? (Inca) >Ceasar? (Rome) >Elizabeth I (England) >George Washington (USA) >Harriet Tubman (second USA leader I guess) >Tamara the Great (Georgia) >Amanirenas (Kush) >Howard Florey (Australia) >Isabella of Castile (Spain)
Thoughts?
Sapho and Hildegard are pure lol, and wtf Howard Florey was he even ever in government or politics at all?
Also they are fricking cowards for not having Harriet Tubman be the only leader for US
If they're going to use scientists and thinkers why didn't they use the more iconic Socrates, Pythagoras or Homer as the Greek leaders?
What did Sapho do besides write a couple of poems?
>iconic
Wrong word, I meant to say significant
And when it comes to poets/writers/storytellers, hardly anyone can compete against the man who made the Iliad and Odyssey.
Aesop and Aristophanes might for their great works but definitively not Sapho.
Because "scientist and philosophers" is just a reason to fill 50% of their roster with women wymen, and I bet 80% of non-political leaders are going to be women.
It's rather telling that whenever an actual female leader is available (Wu Zetian, Empress Irene, Catherine the Great etc.) they don't hesitate to use those instead of looking for muh philosophers, isn't it?
Obama might have been one of the worst Presidents discounting the fact he's a fricking Black person >surveillance worse than watergate >nobel peace drone bombardments >no seriously he was premptively given a nobel peace prize for his fricking ethnicity >sparked racial tensions by constantly racebaiting, especially the trayvon martin could've been muh son bullshit >fast and furious >hired a canadian to shill for him on Ganker >ISIS >weaponising the IRS against political opponents, singlehandedly ratcheting up partisanship in america >purged the military >benghazi >lied about closing gitmo >prosecuted more whistleblowers than every president since Reagan combined despite being "the most transparent administration" lmfao >the frickup that was obamacare >tried to rule by decree using executive orders >kept blaming islamic chimpouts on guns >"cool clock ahmed" aka praising a professional racebaiter's son for gutting a digital clock and stuffing it in a case deliberately in such a way it'd look like a bomb and repeatedly causing it to beep in class which naturally eventually spooked someone
>Obama might have been one of the worst Presidents
he's just a page in the book
don't care about obama
doesn't matter who is president
they all serve the same people
two different sides of the same coin
two different hands serving the same master
one president does 'this task' for the overlords
and then the page turns
and the next president does 'that next task' for the overlords
noone serves the people
because we live as cattle as the pages turn
>The only black leaders that had the reach and influence that if provoked could have raised an army of over 20 million blacks at the time. (50 Million in today's population)
>Both were so feared by the white administration at the time they were both assassinated for fear of them actually raising an army in time.
If Irish, Belgians, Canadians, and Zulus get to be in solely on the back of their companies' purchasing power, Afro-Americans aren't too unreasonable, given their historic and continuous soft power reach.
Sarantapechaina (Byzantium)
Just as Irene was willing to have her own son's eyes gouged out to cling to power, so too are modern devs willing to go to dire lengths to dig up more women as leaders.
(Honestly though, not a bad choice. She's a Byzantine analog of Wu Zetian, and also a foil for Charlemagne who is also on the list.)
Well, at least she was an actual empress and not some poet, scientist or other kind of nerd like Sappho or Copernicus. What's next, Oppenheimer for the US
To counteract the chuddiness of featuring Byzantium as a playable faction. Same with Austria- two factions that regularly fought to prevent the Religion of Peace from spreading throughout Europe.
I hope none of you complain about Civ's "normie" picks for female leaders ever again.
Stuff like Wu Zetian, Victoria, Elisabeth, Isabel, Catherine the Great etc., where it's female leaders that people actually knew
I never complained when it was an actual female leader of relevance but sometime around Civilization VI they started to pick any random roastie they could to be leader and that's when it started to get stupid
Aright, here is an uncompleted list of leaders and nations I gather from that video. Some were right there on the screen, other I get from their mouse-overs at 1:50 and 2:00 mark. >Itzcoatl (Aztec) >Joanna d’Arc (France) >Sapho (Greece) >Alexander the Great (Macedonia or second Greek leader) >Wu Zerian (China) >Confucius (China) >Shaka (Zulu) >Irene Sarantapechaina (Byzatium) >Boudica (Celts) >Genghis Khan (Mongolia) >Yaa Asantewaa (Ghana) >Nefertiti (Egypt) >Cesare Beccaria (Italy) >Sennacherib (Assyria) >Sejong (Korea) >Harun al-Rashid (Abbasid Caliphate) >Nicolar Copernicus (Poland) >Charlemagne (The Holy Roman Empire) >Leopold I (Belgium) >Hildegard of Bingen (Germany) >Ashoka (India) >Ramkhamhaeng? (Siam) >Catherine the Great (Russia) >Pachacuti? (Inca) >Ceasar? (Rome) >Elizabeth I (England) >George Washington (USA) >Harriet Tubman (second USA leader I guess) >Tamara the Great (Georgia) >Amanirenas (Kush) >Howard Florey (Australia) >Isabella of Castile (Spain)
Thoughts?
>Sapho (greece) >Harriet FRICKING Tubman (second USA leader I guess)
I can't even complain about objectively bad picks like Kristina of Sweden because at least that b***h was an actual head of state/politician for a while. Not a very good one, mind you, but at least it's not Harriet Tubman. Or worse, Sappho. At least Tubman did something that was kind of politics related. Sappho was a fricking poet.
I never complained when it was an actual female leader of relevance but sometime around Civilization VI they started to pick any random roastie they could to be leader and that's when it started to get stupid
[...] >Sapho (greece) >Harriet FRICKING Tubman (second USA leader I guess)
kek wtf all you need to know about this
>Harriet Tubman
Even though she did lead slaves to freedom, due to a major head injury she received as a slave, it was well known at the time she'd have lapses of narcolepsy and randomly fall asleep in the middle of tasks, and wake up spontaneously hours later as though nothing happened >Sappho
Has to be the dumbest prog shove in. She's a poet from Lesbos LESBIANS L(GB)TQIA2SM++DQAWTFBBQ-// REPRESENT that we only know mostly from second hand accounts and only have maybe two complete poems, a bunch of fragments, and multiple untold lost poems. We know next to nothing about her other than she was a poet everyone in antiquity raved about, for all we know she could have been a advocate of traditional life style. Most important information out of all of this though is she was a POET and never led anything. It's laughable why she was made a leader
funny thing, there's actually an ahistorical legend attrributed to her that she killed herself by jumping from a ledge to proclaim her love to a man because everyone accused her of being a lesbian
>Even though she did lead slaves to freedom, due to a major head injury she received as a slave, it was well known at the time she'd have lapses of narcolepsy and randomly fall asleep in the middle of tasks, and wake up spontaneously hours later as though nothing happened
>Those are some moronic ass choices
If I was forced to choose a non ruler leader for China, Confucius would be first on the list. Thinking about it, even if I could choose rulers he'd still end up ahead of Wu Zetian.
I can't even complain about objectively bad picks like Kristina of Sweden because at least that b***h was an actual head of state/politician for a while. Not a very good one, mind you, but at least it's not Harriet Tubman. Or worse, Sappho. At least Tubman did something that was kind of politics related. Sappho was a fricking poet.
>Sappho was a fricking poet.
She was THE lesbian.
Seriously, they unrestricted themselves from rulers only and chose Sappho of all the Greek writers.
>Hildegard of Bingen >Harriet Tubman
Yep, this game will flop so fricking hard. You think people who play as Germany in their strategy games want to roleplay as fricking Hildegard of Bingen? No.
This game has really strong Old World vibes, meaning it'll flop.
>not Albert I, the one worth a damn >not even Leopold II, who at least did some shit abroad
>The man on the 4th row next to the Persian looks like William McKinley (USA) but that's unlikely
It's not well visible but that guy also has mustaches, so this also goes against McKinley. >Safe to guess it's Askia like in Civ 5.
Yeah, no doubt it's that black guy in red in the first row.
What I wonder the most is who's that square-jaw woman in what looks like modern t-shirt. I have no idea who that could be, but she has a specific look.
[...] >Leopold's there too, so does that cancel it out?
You're thinking of Leopold "I own Congo" the Second. This game has Leopold the First who's know for Idk. I don't think anyone beside Belgians knows about Belgian history.
Leopold I was nothing short of a British puppet
>This game has Leopold the First who's know for Idk. I don't think anyone beside Belgians knows about Belgian history.
I don't know anything at all about Belgian history but surely Albert I is obviously the best choice
The fact Belgium is even considered a civ in the first place is hilarious.
It's an artificial state that only exists due to British meddling. It has no national identity by virtue of being Wallonians and Flemish people smushed together to act as a buffer between the Netherlands and France. It's younger than the USA.
these anons have the right idea, though Belgian national identity as separate from the Dutch and French grew a bit as time went on
It does seems like they chose Leopold I simply because he was the first king of Belgium, although he wasn't even involved in the initial creation of the country. It's also fun that he isn't even the first person to show up when you google Leopold I. Instead it's Leopold I of Habsburg.
>This game has Leopold the First who's know for Idk. I don't think anyone beside Belgians knows about Belgian history.
I don't know anything at all about Belgian history but surely Albert I is obviously the best choice
I would have chosen Albert I for Belgium
Choosing Albert requires some knowledge of and respect for Belgian history
>Choosing Albert requires some knowledge of and respect for Belgian history
I have no knowledge of or respect for Belgian history and Albert is obviously the correct choice for their leader
as a fricking subhuman from thirdie, why, why do mutts keep rejecting their beauty, and push this ugly Black person worship, i cannot understand, also frick you for accepting non-skilled asylum seekers, like mudslimes, and non conforming groups like Black folk
But the thralls dont care, they're not even in their society; there's actually a wide gulf between the classes. None of this makes sense, why would middle-class whites get a narcissistic injury if there are no Black folk around?
Nicolas Copernicus would be better used as a diplomat or governor, as he was irl, than actual ruler.
(Btw. seeing him there made me reread broadly his history, and discovered that for most of his life Kopernik was funded, worked for, and either taught or were taught by Bishops and other clergyman, as well as dedicating his work towards the current Pope, he was most often under attack from Lutherans actually. That's not at all like what I learned about him from school, which I guess I can only blame on our education system still reeling from the time it served the Communist state, as I can'tiImagine things like that being omitted for the general "Church was against Heliocentrism", in such a pro-Catholic country otherwise)
>blame on our education system still reeling from the time it served the Communist state
Tbh this comes from late 18th and 19th centuries protestant "Black Legend" propaganda. It's the same everywhere
genuinely surprised she looks like this given the dev team, every contemporary account from people who actually knew her described her as having black hair and dark eyes and swarthy skin, a typical med peasant look
genuinely surprised she looks like this given the dev team, every contemporary account from people who actually knew her described her as having black hair and dark eyes and swarthy skin, a typical med peasant look
I had a lot of fun with old world. Probably 300 hours into it.
It had a lot of good new ideas that other 4x/civ games should steal, but since nobody played it, they won't and so we must persist in this doomed world we have created.
The biggest problem is probably that combat/war is not very good. Better than the average civ game, but just a slog to play at higher difficulty levels.
And of course there's a common event where you meet boudica. Frick Boudica.
This very game actually takes a lot of inspiration from Old World.
I'm cautiously optimistic. It can't be as bad as Humankind and even that was almost playable
>"We want to explore more and different parts of history" >While showing the eiffel tower and the pharos of Alexandria
Either they're just giving lip service to progressive bullshit, or they're so moronic they don't even notice it.
game doesnt need to have 50 million moronic rules and hidden menus to be hard, chess has 100x times more depth than any parawieners game yet its rules can be explained in 5minutes
It's not about hard, it's about compelling systems and input
Difficulty is derived from opposition, it is irrelevant to the point
and they just spent 7 minutes not explaining their rules and instead focused on their feelings
Vst is Paradox's unofficial forums. There are always at least 5 threads of their games going on, and often multiple on the same tittle, and they never get removed. It's a scourge jannies have embraced as if it pays them money to leave them up.
Nothing would improve vst more than every Paradox thread getting autoremoved and the posters banned.
Compare these two:
The one on the left was the wife of a king. When he died and Romans took his land, she led a revolt and had one of the most historic embarrassing losses despite having overwhelming numbers. The only notable actions she has taken was led to battles.
On the right is the son of a chieftain. You could say they are from comparably noble backgrounds. He united the mongol tribes and then forged the largest empire there had ever been until then. He died in a battle at 65 years old.
I will never not be mad that these literal who's who led their people into doom and death get treated as if they're peers to one of the greatest men that ever lived.
Not really the fault of modern devs.
Boudica and other Celtic leaders became romantic icons in 19th century Europe. Brits had a statue of her right at the core of London since 1850~
It's funnier the more you look into it, she sacked the trinovantes and cattevelauni (both briton tribes) capitals, including torturing the civilians and even tried to destroy london (londinium) itself. The rebellion was more like a BLM chimpout that ended up killing more Britons than Romans.
Alright. I watched it, finally. The game will dead on arrival and irrelevant, because it offers no real alternative to Civ 6, except more micromanagement mechanics.
>same Great Man of History wankery >same Beeg Monument wankery >same competition and victory worldview >the common people are just toys for you to play with, no agency or desires of their own >but the map is assymetrical >some more pointless micro >maybe no "barbarians at the gates" racism
It's the same liberal/fascist worldview.
>FASCISMS!!!
commies don't call everything they dislike fascism for five minutes challenge (impossible, almost died)
also the common people literally do not have agency, every single revolution in history was lead by merchants, intelligentsia or nobles
also lmao @ communists shitting on great man theory before kneeling to their shrine of marx, engels and lenin
>same Great Man of History wankery >same Beeg Monument wankery >same competition and victory worldview
If you want to play EU IV or Victoria III nobody is stopping you. 4X games don't really make much sense as more open ended geopolitics simulators. The mechanics are inherently simplified and "board gamey" and therefore work best as a "digital board game." Take away Great People, Wonders, and the Victory Conditions and what is left is pretty directionless and featureless. That might work as a sandbox game for a little while but would get old quick.
>Take away Great People, Wonders, and the Victory Conditions and what is left is pretty directionless and featureless.
But is that really true? What champion was ever unseated by something that is nearly identical and lacked imagination? It's kind of depressing to watch a game development that is pretty much guaranteed to end up like Humankind.
You can take away all of that stuff, but you have to replace it with something else that provides a sense of direction and engagement. If you just take all of that away without adding anything new to replace it then my initial point stands.
It honestly sounds like you just want a simulation where the player has no control and a mass of simulated individuals eventually create a utopian society that perfectly fits your worldview, with none of the historical events that do not fit your worldview occurring.
When are they gonna make Stellaris but Civ?
No, Humankind doesn't count. That's just Civ with Age of Mythology Minor Gods/Age of Empires III Politician System.
I want a civ clone where civs start as blank slates as cavemen and pick and choose different, individual traits and civics that change they way they are played as the game progresses.
>arent 0.01% buffs so great that they should be in every game
civ 5 social policies change the game much more significant than anything in stellaris
the only meaningful choice you have in stellaris is on the race-crafting stage
>build civ from dawn of humans >if you play your cards right you can have them explore and colizie the galaxy
It would basically be Civ up until FTL then switch to Stellaris and you could even have FTL civs set up observation posts around your planet.
The game would be a MASSIVE undertaking and i assume even getting to FTL status would take a huge amount of time. I doubt it would ever happen but it would be cool.
That idea sounds good, though you don't need to make the game necessarily leave the solar system.
We have enough planets to play in here, so you can colonize mars and set up orbital stations on other planets, and the first faction that sends a FTL or Generational ship to Alpha Centauri wins the "Colonization" Victory condition.
The problem with that is that Civilization is not a simulation game or a grand strategy game, it is a virtual board game and increasingly so as the decades went on. Now it doesn't even hide it. It has no solutions for the rise and fall of various civilizations throughout history other than "lol they lost" or "oh no one of your cities rebeled". The technology is static and doesn't respect real life disparities in culture and tech, because it wants to be fair and orderly rather than Guns Germs and Steel. And there's no representation of ethnic groups or local cultures, just national cultures, so no fun to be had there either (admittedly, Civ 3 did this, which was nice).
Accept that the Civilization model is a dead end board game. It is what it is, but if you're looking for Cavemen 2 Cosmos you need a completely different system.
>When are they gonna make Stellaris but Civ? >start Civillaris XVIII >blank civ >tech rush until everyone is the same civ with blue lasers >??? >end game crisis I guess
There is no explanation that isn't /misc/. They're so desperate for female leaders that they start scraping the barrel, because they've already found and used all the non-famous competent female leaders.
>there is no explanation that isn't /misc/
But that isn't /misc/. True /misc/ would be blaming the israelites for pushing more propaganda into entertainment.
When will the matriarcal liberal arts rejects era of video games development end? We can't take this competence crisis anymore. When are the tech nerds era coming back?
It won't. These games make money. The best we have are private companies like Larian making good games; anything Publicially Traded or non-indie will be garbage.
>Larian are some of the matriarchal liberal arts rejects anon was talking about
Install "No alphabets" (removes LGBT content) and "Better Aesthetics" (replaces most non whites) mods
They have to put that in due to ESG stipulations. As another anon said, download the mods that remove them and you'll realize that all such depictions are superficial pandering.
They are not talking about Civilization in this instance, I imagine. I think they are referring to Humankind's absolute dogshit pollution/climate change "system" where the game just ends if so much pollution is produced because the environment is suddenly destroyed forever and humanity is extinct.
>climate change is a good gameplay mechanic if done well
case-in-point there's a game about reversing it's effects after the damage has already been done. I forget what it was called but I thought the main gimmick was neat.
Terra Nil?
Fate of the World is also pretty fun. It's a climate change-based game before it became a mainstream thing that people are glueing their faces to roads and throwing soup at art over.
You don't get it, deploying a geneplague on Africa is necessary to lower carbon emissions.
Pollution and environmental changes as a result of players overdeveloping their territory is a good way to both check their progress while also giving them something to do.
If anything, I wish Civilization had BETTER enviromentalist mechanics than "oops the oceans are overflowing" or "better clean up that pollution tile".
My dick would get a hearbeat if we had currents that could cool down
like, pollute so much in game that temp increases, and glaciers fall into the ocean cooling down the gulf stream so certain regions get colder
Tiles have plastic counters on them.
watching another player just dump more and more plastic into the ocean and resolving it by fricking nuking him
kino
That's because it's propaganda rather than a good mechanic.
The corporations and politicians want you to accept their wealth transfer scheme and ignore real pollution.
No, the mechanics suck because none of the modern Civ titles or clones have an actual climate simulation, it just runs off of dumb rules like "grasslands become desert" or "only specific coastal tiles sink".
I played both alphas of this frickass game. It's such a god damn mess. They try to fit so many half assed ideas to feel different yet it feels terrible to play. It also literally runs terribly because of how unoptimized it was. The combat was terrible, the city-building aspects were ok but half assed, the crafting was terrible. The entire game revolves around getting stars like some fricking kindergarten assignment. There are no various victories it's literally whoever has the most stars wins. It really feels like a shitty attempt at them going "hey what if we made a historical 4x but then took elements from adjacent genres and duct taped them on?"
In a way this shitty game is the opposite of Millennia, where this game tries to be too different and ends up being half assed and Millennia doesn't try hard enough to be different and ends up being half assed
>There are no various victories it's literally whoever has the most stars wins.
That's an improvement over the 'huddle in a corner until you can launch a rocket' and 'huddle in a corner until everyone watches your anime' victory conditions.
>all these civ clones now that the game industry is shit
Why weren't these a thing back in the 90s and 00s, the only civilization clone from back then I can think of is Call to Power which was technically a Civilization game originally. Same with the Total War games.
>Oxide Games is an American video game developer based in Lutherville-Timonium, Maryland. The studio was founded in January 2013 by Brad Wardell and former Firaxis employees Dan Baker, Marc Meyer, Brian Wade, and Tim Kipp. >former Firaxis employees
😀
our response, sid meier sisters?
She scares me.
Also, frick microsoft for these perverted dev diary trailers. it's too on-the-nose seeing it go through the same checklist as the starfield one did
What is this? Adult day care?
She doesn't seem like CS type. She is credited as "design director", does that mean she just the idea guy? She just farts out half-assed ideas and someone else has to find a way to implement them.
>She doesn't seem like CS type.
Various product managers and designers are important part of the development process, especially for such multidisciplinary products like videogames.
At least in principle.
The job of a design director is to ensure that all the designers are on the same page and working towards the same goal. This can mean just being the ideas guy, but usually also involves shooting down other people's ideas if they don't fit the overall vision, and maintaining the internal documentation.
It's funny how she seems to be the only one that's passionate about the game. I wish nerd devs wouldn't be such pushovers when it came to women, because they always let them ruin shit.
>seeming passionate
i dunno if she actually truly contributes anything, but just her face alone spells disaster for me
hopefully i am proven wrong
>It's funny how she seems to be the only one that's passionate about the game
What a bunch of cucks if true. She will save Civ for sure.
>our response
would
bit young to need a mobility scooter isn't she
what obesity does to a motherfricker:
This is like that one woman that worked on Starbound, trash. Haha look at how le quirky I am
In the artwork, I saw a woman with broad shoulders.... around 5:37
What does this mean?
Propaganda of strong white women with strong genes to save the white race.
sure it is, homosexual
>responding to obvious light joking with idiotic angry ESLery
why are thirdworders so subhumanly stupid
You're just mad I called you a homosexual, and you know what else, it also seems like your mom should have been killed and her vegana should have been stitched up by the doctors so you get stuck in there and never been born.
you sound mentally disabled
You sound like you need a knife jammed up into your eye and look at your blood leak with the other.
typical esl Black person behaviour
typical Black person murder victim statistic behavior
Anon keep an eye on the IP counter. You're responding to that mentally ill weirdo who keeps spamming the shitty V3 threads
Into the trash it goes
civ has been since beach got his moronic hands on it
who? and what is sid meier doing these days?
meier wasn't even relevant for civ 2, never mind anything later
I don't think Sid Meier has actually worked in active development on a video game since Microprose. He's mostly been collecting royalty fees.
Pretty impressive if their goal is to target everyone besides current strategy game players. For a strategy game, it seems like a flawless idea.
They should try making a football manager where their target audience is everyone that doesn't like football. Similar reach.
Is this seriously what the average white woman looks like? No wonder all you homosexuals have asian/jungle fever.
its the average 25 year old indeed. younger ones are fine
>white
quintessentially american at best
She's the female version of the amerimutt meme
White women are vile creatures unironically. Don't marry one.
Sure thing Schlomo. Got to pump up those mutt golem numbers
White men don't look any better though
Looks israeli tbh. Take note of nose and curly hair
they're already outdoing Humankind in making the least compelling 4X ever
Lmao what the frick is this
It took me an embarrassingly long time to realized that the note did not say "no tities"
that post-it is about as gay as a small paper note can be
try to find a picture of a gayer post-it. you can't.
>You WILL raise your hand before speaking (obtain permission to communicate from me).
>You WILL participate (obedience to my divine feminine will).
>ANY criticism is a personal attack due to closed mindedness (kneel to my glory).
>You WILL respect me, but I'm not a tyrant because I've refused titles (plausible deniability).
Mental illness wrought by a disordered society that rejects God.
Uhuh... except its le based and sovl when John Romero does it
>rule how you want to rule
Can I be a monarchical despotic god-king with enforced sexism and daily heart sacrifices to the sun god?
>procedurally generated map!
I recognise this marketing language... from 2010. Yawn.
>crafting mechanics!
Ugh.
>science victory means mecha just like in my favourite anime!
Ugggghhh. I don't know what I hate more, that in these kinds of games, military victories (or any victory) are supposed to be won by WWI or that science nations DO NOT have the capacity to make or even fund what they invent. On top of the fact that you never got to use giant robots in any Civ.
>we wanted a fresh perspective for history games
>>>>Zulu, Genghis Khan, Boudica, Confucius
This. She's just the new ruling class.
>(British) Celts and English in the same game
Uhuh. Why bother putting England twice?
Is it because Wales, Scotland and Ireland are pathetic footnotes? Honestly it just makes me annoyed I can't pick my specific era of Britain to play as if they're constantly just bringing up Boudica in these games because WOMAAAN whilst also giving England WOMAAAN despite making up barely any of our rulers.
Give me Margaret Thatcher you c**ts. I want to see the left eat itself at the prospect.
Also most of these are just the same picks Civ does.
>(British) Celts and English in the same game
>Uhuh. Why bother putting England twice?
She's the leader of all celts, not britons(welsh) specifically. They really should split the celts up. Get Scotland, Ireland, Brittany, Gaul, and Galatia some representation. Caratacus(Caradog) would be a better pick for a British/Welsh leader anyways.
>England WOMAAAN despite making up barely any of our rulers.
At least 3 of the 5 English Queens were good at their jobs.
>WAH MENTAL YOU DON'T HAVE SAME MENTAL ILLNESS AS ME, EVERYONE MUST HAVE MY BRAND OF MENTAL ILLNESS!!1
Why are mentally ill act so?
hate modern uis
>modern
it looks like windows xp
that sticky note looks like it was taken directly out of an elementary school classroom
Looks like Eador
Leopold's there too, so does that cancel it out?
The fact Belgium is even considered a civ in the first place is hilarious.
It's an artificial state that only exists due to British meddling. It has no national identity by virtue of being Wallonians and Flemish people smushed together to act as a buffer between the Netherlands and France. It's younger than the USA.
Perhaps it'll have some compelling gameplay niche, like Burgundians in AoE2?
Sim City 4000 called, they want their UI back
Imagine working in such a toxic environment.
It's scary that this used to be memetic satire just two years ago.
Wonder what the OG stockphotoguy that ended up becoming the face of all this shit is up to these days, gotta be a mindfrick to se yourself become as symbol like that.
>memetic satire
>just two years ago
Why does these social justice types always need to leave written notes about whatever microaggressions they are hyper focusing on this time when it's something clearly on their mind 24/7? I don't have any notes at my desk saying the obvious
>Do NOT say the nword (out loud)
>Food goes in mouth
Why is everything so creatively bankrupt these days
Their only "original" thought is adding idiotic crafting micro where I'll now have to first queue up 3 rugs and a counter before I can build a carpet shop.
Why even bother making a game if all you'll be doing is cloning an already tired series with no real personal input whatsoever?
looks soulless but not so bad.
You just described every rts game in the last 30 years lol
there's been loads of innovative RTS, it's just that you detestable autistis go "NOT A PROPER RTS" and claim it doesn't count
NOT A PROPER 4X
base building
resource gathering
unit production
unit control
an RTS needs to contain all of these
>Ground Control is not an RTS
>Total War is not an RTS
>World In Conflict is not an RTS
>Z is not an RTS
>Civilization is an RTS
your valuable opinion has been noted
World in Conflict is RTT.
Yes literally none of these are RTS
>Civ
>turn based
>REAL time strategy
lol
>NO IT HAS TO BE INNOVATIVE AND EXACTLY THE SAME
ok spergs
War is not an RTS
In Conflict is not an RTS
These most definitely are not RTS.
>Ground Control is not an RTS
>Z is not an RTS
Haven't played these so I can't tell.
>Civilization is an RTS
Don't be disingenuous, the RT part is self-implied.
Ground control is pretty much an more open proto-World In Conflict.
Same devs. Not an RTS, but a really good game.
>Don't be disingenuous, the RT part is self-implied.
he's the one asking for strict definitions
you can't get any stricter than the very word "real-time" homie
My god does that look soulless, the progressive corporate drones going on and on about bullshit just completes it
If it doesn't have base buildings its a Real Time Tactics game technically
This woman isn't white, typical american mystery meat person.
>Total War is not an RTS
It is not.
It is a TBS/RTT Hybrid.
Apart from the Civ part, what you said is all completely correct. It's perfectly normal to not mention the real-time from the context of the conversation. Why sperg out like this?
>board game creators should stop using squares and hexes
>they should go for irregular shapes!
fricking moron
Wish you were right
you forgot to include in real time, Black person. That's what separate something like Total War from AoE. In Total War you handle the strategy in a turn-based mode and the combat in a real time mode.
no
If proper classifications are not provided, the term RTS will degenerate just like RPG.
Base building is a stretch, but bases of production is the bare minimum distinguishing RTS from RTT.
If the distinction between RTS and RTT are hard for you, try to play games like TW or WiC in multiplayer and compare them to MP of Starcraft and Company of Heroes.
Singleplayer campaigns often do a hodgepodge of mechanics to avoid monotony.
>Their only "original" thought is adding idiotic crafting micro
the crafting is probably the least original part of it though since every fricking game has to include crafting now, it reminds me of the anon in a recent thread who worked on that ww1 hospital Frostpunk game. He said that their publisher forced them to include crafting mechanics even though they didn't fit the game, just because crafting is "in" right now.
Has anybody here actually followed the development of the game?
I do posts with Mesoamerican history and archeology and have issues with how they designed Itzcoatl as an Aztec leader, but I haven't followed Ara that closely so i'm trying to make sense of what exactly was shown in video
>and have issues with how they designed Itzcoatl as an Aztec leader,
Why?
can you link one of your posts? I like mesoamerican history and I'm interested
I link to some resources I did here: https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/16129570/#16130940
>what exactly was shown in video
Nothing at all just repeating what focus groups told them to say to get the average clown to play their same ole shit repeating game.
I'm gonna be real with you bro, this game looks like trash so I doubt any of us have followed its development closely. Someone posted about it months ago when it was announced, and it was hard to even tell what they were aiming for besides "you get to tell YOUR story".
So yeah it wouldn't surprise me if they got everything wrong historically speaking.
Yoooo Wakanda civ?
Das rite!
Everything about this looks pozzed. Face it, 4x strategy is dead
i hate everyone i saw in that vid
How do you think we can obtain actually useful info?
It's all "hype" machine until beta/release, and only underaged think otherwise.
And if this is their "strong" side they want to show, then lower your expectations.
Because there's been a bunch of dev blog posts and videos as well as alpha tests with the insider program?
Because it's not really close to being accurate or even authentic. I'm not an expert on Medieval European or Asian culture or whatever but the leader outfits for those seem relatively grounded from what I can tell.
Itzcoatl is wearing a Jaguar warsuit (which is military equipment, not garb worn by rulers in a general official context, and is probably too low status for a king to wear into combat, though not impossible) with one side torn off (imagine if Napoleon had half his suit/vest ripped off) and a pretty haphazard looking braclet on that side, with a similarly primitive looking necklace and collar garment with like rope and leather staps, the warsuit also has random ropes tied to it and "claws" shittly stitched onto one of the sleeves.
It also seems to be made of actual pelt and not feather mosaic. I don't think there's a gambeson vest/tunic beneath the warsuit either but it's hard to tell, and the israelitelery he has on his waist is either a wierd take on a ballplayer yoke or is totally made up. The helmet isn't made to blend into/with the warsuit at all, and has a random made up headdress attached to it, instead of the quetzallalpiloni tassels they would have had. There's also an attempt at a royal crown/diadem slapped onto it but it's not right either nor would it be attached to a helmet.
TL:DR:
They didn't actually use the dress/ornaments Aztec rulers had (see pic, though this also excludes quetzallalpiloni), the jaguar warsuit has a lot of random changes/additional made up garments that make no sense, and everything is also made to look "primitive" and hobbled together rather then actually made by artisans and refined like it would have because these were giant urban civilizations that made obtaining luxury goods their entire motive for large scale conquests, not a bunch of tribes living in huts.
What he looked like in game in the video
Also in some of the real early stuff they showed a version of the Temple of Kukulkan without any paint or stucco on it, as if it were ruins
Also, some examples of what would be good takes on a Jaguar warsuit on the top right here
Finally, as an example, here's the feather mosaic technique which would have been used to make the outside of the warsuit, helmet, etc applied to catholic iconography since the Spanish were, understandably, blown away at the art form and commissioned Mesoamerican artists to make them.
These were some of the most high-effort and intricate pieces of art, let alone military equipment ever made, the fact everybody jumps to make it look like a bunch of people in the woods with no practice stitched it together is stupid
If they NEEDED to have it recognizably "Aztec" to normies so the actual normal garb of an Aztec ruler would be too obscure (and they don't have the dignity to try to be accurate anyways), then they could probably combined a jaguar patterned warsuit, with maybe the ehuatl skirt armor and the actual cloaks rulers wore in an amalgam of accurate bits that may not have usually gone together but would at least use actual garments.
Sure, but she's not wearing rags tied together with rope. The other leaders still wear something that mostly looks right.
>devs make a big deal about representing the diversity of players and going with underutilized parts of history
>75% of playable things are from europe/anglo nations, the middle east, or east asia
>there are only 2 playable leaders/cultures for the entire premodern western hemisphere
look, you're an autist but most people don't care. give us mayas aztecs and incas and we're fine.
sure they could include mississippians and toltecs and nazarés but no1 gives a frick. in fact I can already see the first dlc is gonna be Black person cultures based
It's litterally half the fricking planet.
Not saying they should do as many American civs as Eurasian ones, but do more then one per continent, give like Mesoamerica, the Andes, and the rest of the Americas like 2-3 each at least cmon.
Or for fricks sake at least don't mishandle the ones you do use like they did with the Aztec
>Toltecs
Didn't really exist. The Purepecha should be your go to after the Aztec and Maya, IMO
i care
>devs make a big deal about representing the diversity of players and going with underutilized parts of history
Anon, it's just corpo marketing talk. They are raping history all around, not just the Aztecs.
Oh I'm well are that this stuff is mostly fluff, but I don't know, can you point to another leader other then ironically enough shaka that looks as off as Itzcoatl does vs what the real life ruler/person would have worn?
Wu Zetian is an easy pick.
The clothes are just copy-pasted from a Chinese show (imdb.com/title/tt4409784/), but they actually fricked up even that.
Besides the actresses' clothes being wholly invented for the show, they changed a detail to have her main "shirt" have an overlap. Except this is one thing that Chinese (and all cultures in that area) were extremely pedantic about. Clothes are worn with an overlap on the right side, she has it inverted.
That alone tells you not a single Asian (native) or American Asian (who cares about history) has seen the concept art, 3D model, etc. since this is like wearing a western T-shirt with the neckline in the back.
Confucius also has it fricked in the concept art, but it's correct in the 3D model.
You can probably guess that he's not accurate either, but I'll skip that for now.
Genghis is also just a copy-paste from some Mongolian LARPers. https://i.pinimg.com/474x/e1/67/af/e167afbef4f1d3de881823b1315dd149.jpg
It's both not accurate to an actual soldier, being chock-full of fantasy elements (bracers are a fantasy trope, that fricking belt, double shoulderpads for that real Warcraft experience), obvious cost-savers for not-so-well-off LARPers and that's before we even touch on the fact this is supposed to be the khan, not a mook.
Also, Temujin himself was definitely not black haired. It's up to interpretation whether he was ginger or just brown but certainly not black.
There is really no research at all going into these characters. If first Google result spits out an accurate image, they'll look accurate. If not, they won't.
Contrast all of what I said above with Sejong, who's as unique and daring as putting butter on bread but certainly looks decent because there's a firing squad waiting for anyone in S.Korea who doesn't depict him according to the government prescribed standard (which is, to their credit, accurate for a kingperor of Joseon of his time).
It's not a full list of civilizations. It's only 32 out of 45. I don't know about the rest 13.
We know Songhai are in by this screenshot
but idk about the leader.
Japan probably is also in. The leader might be the Oda-looking guy on the left on the third row or the granny on the right from the dark silhouette. Maybe both.
First guy on the left on second row is probably Haile Selassie of Ethiopia.
On the fourth row I can see Cyrus or other Persian ruler.
Somewhere else in the video I saw civ emblem with red horse on white background, so that's probably some north american natives, but I don't know which since they didn't mouse over it. But the guy on the right on the sixth row was the leader. Again don't know who that might be. (although still that only give us 3 playable premodern western hemisphere civs, we don't even get Maya from the look of it.)
The rest of the leaders look quite modern and I don't recognize them. Although what's that woman in crown on the fourth row. Gives me Tomyris of Scythia vibe.
I agree
Japan is the brown guy next to Isabella of Castille, that's Nobunaga
The woman underneath them looks like Tomyris (Scythia) from Civ 6
I think the black man in the green sash is Haile Selassie (Ethiopia)
The guy next to Selassie looks like Jose de San Martin (Argentina) or Santa Anna (Mexico)
The man on the 4th row next to the Persian looks like William McKinley (USA) but that's unlikely
>idk about the Songhai leader.
Safe to guess it's Askia like in Civ 5.
>The man on the 4th row next to the Persian looks like William McKinley (USA) but that's unlikely
It's not well visible but that guy also has mustaches, so this also goes against McKinley.
>Safe to guess it's Askia like in Civ 5.
Yeah, no doubt it's that black guy in red in the first row.
What I wonder the most is who's that square-jaw woman in what looks like modern t-shirt. I have no idea who that could be, but she has a specific look.
>Leopold's there too, so does that cancel it out?
You're thinking of Leopold "I own Congo" the Second. This game has Leopold the First who's know for Idk. I don't think anyone beside Belgians knows about Belgian history.
I think it might be that female Indian PM.
Dunno, I don't see resemblance.
>What I wonder the most is who's that square-jaw woman in what looks like modern t-shirt
Golda Meir?
Israeli who funked up the Israelo-Egyptian war
>This game has Leopold the First who's know for Idk. I don't think anyone beside Belgians knows about Belgian history.
I don't know anything at all about Belgian history but surely Albert I is obviously the best choice
What has Belgium done other than waffles, chocolate and killing millions of nigs in the congo?
I checked our reddit and here's their guesses about the remaining leaders:
>second guy on the second row
Simon Bolivar (Gran Colombia)
>woman in green beside him
Wilma Mankiller (Cherokee)
>guy in top hat
Benito Juarez (Mexico)
>first guy on the fourth row
John A. Macdonald (fricking Canada)
>woman right beside him
Zenobia (Palmyra)
>woman in purple on the bottom
Eva Peron (Argentina)
Keep in mind, it's not confirmed. It's just their guess. Although at least Macdonald seems to match too well to be someone else. Which is stupid because I hate the idea of adding Canada to civilization game. Would rather go for anything else.
Also still no idea what the granny from the fourth row, the mustache guy from the same row and the guy in red on the sixth row suppose to be.
>our
Shill
>knight
>in a culture on a continent with no horses
It refers to the fact that they were organized as a sort of martial religious order similar to the knightly orders of the crusades. They had their own headquarter-temple in another city (Malinalco) and acted as a sort of political bloc that existed parallel to the hereditary nobility. Knight is a social rank not a word for heavy cavalry. They usually fought as heavy cavalry. But that's not what made them knights.
>It refers to the fact that they were organized as a sort of martial religious order similar to the knightly orders of the crusades
Those are Paladins, anon. Knight is a term for nobility that originated from the french Chevalier. Maybe they should use correct terminology if they didn't want to cause unnecessary confusion.
>Knight is a term for nobility that originated from the french Chevalier
Wrong. It originated from the Old English 'Cniht' which referred to a young boy, usually in the context of a servant. Young servant boys had a weird habit of inheriting plots of land from lords they had served well which led to the role actually being coveted by the nobility and others of that sort. Which is how they became a sort of lesser nobility in the English world. Chevalier was just the French term that was adopted to describe them because they usually fit the bill as a "horse rider."
Once again, Knight is a social term. It refers to a rank within the feudal order. A lesser, usually landowning, pseudo-noble. They usually did act as heavy cavalry (except when they fought dismounted whenever horses would be impractical) but that is not what made them knights.
Those modifiers look like it'll be a really shit game.
Thank you, this. I see "+10% to scratching your ass when sitting in a green chair", I sleep.
Those godawful shitty tiny "shifts the balance juuuuuuust enough" percentages are the most boring garbage ever. And they're everywhere nowadays because everything has to be balanced perfectly for multiplayer, except it never is because meta-autists will milk this uninspired crap dry anyway and shave off a crucial turn in the doomstack race.
I think they really are a testament to cowardice of a design team. Only those with a myopic vision (that will accept a note like
) can create something so pedestrian.
They want to lure you into a game about grand civilizations, but they approach it like they're parks and recreation. It's like civ6 in that regard where most of the game you're thinking about how you're zoning areas.
extremely based posts. I don't know why mesoamerica is this badly portrayed when it's one of the regions we have the most info on, compared to say pre contact Algonquins or iroquois
brah youre talking about a game where fricking sappho "the tolerant" leads ancient greece
>please spoonfeed me
do your own research, Black
Is this the one where they put Sappho of all people as the leader of Greeks?
Why is every leader mewing, aka doing with that thing with their mouth?
so fricking cringe, none of these people seem like they give a shit but all pretend that they do
It feels like centuries since a good™ historicial strategy game has been released. Why is this genre so cursed?
its a niche genre so every new game tries to "broaden the appeal"
Capitalism does not permit niches to exist. Everything must be as bland and inoffensive as possible to appeal to as many groups of people as possible. Every car must become a grey, amorphous thing so that no one is intimidated by it. Every entertainment product retracing the steps of those before them, either by "remaking" an existing game/movie and replacing characters with members of "marginalized groups" or by rehashing things that have been done many times before.
>muh capitalism
stupid tankie homosexual indie games exist and i would argue they are doing better than ever
It isn't capitalism that does not permit niches to exist, it is "investor" stockmarket capitalism which forces companies to always look for more and more profit, no growth = death there.
yes im 100% sure that in the perfect communist utopia there will be a government branch to make autistic spreadsheet strategy games that only 0.1% of people will ever play
this but replace capitalism with communism
>they admit that communism is the inevitable
then how come did niches exist in a world of yesteryear which was actually more capitalistic than today's protectionist, state-capitalist hellhole?
Because gaming itself was a niche. Smaller companies catered to a smaller number of geeks who didn't care that gaming was considered a childish activity. Gaming was expensive and players were picky so devs had to pay attention to innovation and quality. Rampant piracy was a double-edged sword that on one hand cut into devs' profits, and on the other it popularized gaming and allowed players to sample a large variety of games, some of which would turn into paying customers over time.
Now we have large publishers calling the shots, normie gamers of all ages outnumbering the geeks, and piracy is virtually unheard of now that some of the top grossing games are free to play.
piracy sometimes has its benifits. I bought into a game or its sequel because how i enjoyed a game
have a nice day commie
Only true if it's a publicly traded company
cars are in fact garbage because the combination of crash regulations and literally, explicitly and intentionally impossible fuel consumption standards which combine to allow for exactly one kind of basic car frame. exceptions are sold at a premium using by driving up the manufacturer's "fleetwide" averages.
free market? lol
accurate post, brought out the few remaining pro-capitalist posters to seethe
This also explains the need to appeal to "modern audiences"
The genre appeals primarily to autists, and the autistic community has been under siege by trannies for the past decade.
There is no siege, it's just autists trooning out.
Aright, here is an uncompleted list of leaders and nations I gather from that video. Some were right there on the screen, other I get from their mouse-overs at 1:50 and 2:00 mark.
>Itzcoatl (Aztec)
>Joanna d’Arc (France)
>Sapho (Greece)
>Alexander the Great (Macedonia or second Greek leader)
>Wu Zerian (China)
>Confucius (China)
>Shaka (Zulu)
>Irene Sarantapechaina (Byzatium)
>Boudica (Celts)
>Genghis Khan (Mongolia)
>Yaa Asantewaa (Ghana)
>Nefertiti (Egypt)
>Cesare Beccaria (Italy)
>Sennacherib (Assyria)
>Sejong (Korea)
>Harun al-Rashid (Abbasid Caliphate)
>Nicolar Copernicus (Poland)
>Charlemagne (The Holy Roman Empire)
>Leopold I (Belgium)
>Hildegard of Bingen (Germany)
>Ashoka (India)
>Ramkhamhaeng? (Siam)
>Catherine the Great (Russia)
>Pachacuti? (Inca)
>Ceasar? (Rome)
>Elizabeth I (England)
>George Washington (USA)
>Harriet Tubman (second USA leader I guess)
>Tamara the Great (Georgia)
>Amanirenas (Kush)
>Howard Florey (Australia)
>Isabella of Castile (Spain)
Thoughts?
Thank you for your service anon
Sapho and Hildegard are pure lol, and wtf Howard Florey was he even ever in government or politics at all?
Also they are fricking cowards for not having Harriet Tubman be the only leader for US
They said it in the video. They don't look just at leaders that actually ruled something.
forgot my paint mash-up
If they're going to use scientists and thinkers why didn't they use the more iconic Socrates, Pythagoras or Homer as the Greek leaders?
What did Sapho do besides write a couple of poems?
>iconic
Wrong word, I meant to say significant
And when it comes to poets/writers/storytellers, hardly anyone can compete against the man who made the Iliad and Odyssey.
Aesop and Aristophanes might for their great works but definitively not Sapho.
>What did Sapho do
Lick pussy. She's a lesbian icon
Might as well make Freddy Mercury leader of Britain then
I will now play your game
They should have just gone with Pandora.
why not archimedes or thales or alcebiades or pericles or someone.... themistocles, xenophon, herodotus....
Because "scientist and philosophers" is just a reason to fill 50% of their roster with women wymen, and I bet 80% of non-political leaders are going to be women.
It's rather telling that whenever an actual female leader is available (Wu Zetian, Empress Irene, Catherine the Great etc.) they don't hesitate to use those instead of looking for muh philosophers, isn't it?
>Harriet fricking Tubman
Comedy gold, I couldn't have come up with a more ridiculous leader for a civ if I tried
a Black person leader for the USA is mandated due to Black person-worship, which Black person would you have chosen?
Obama - an actual fricking political leader
Obama is only half-Black person, that's not Black person enough for amerimutt tastes
Obama is the wrong choice, almost every single Black you talk to will speak his name with vitriol. He's considered a fraud.
extremely online hoteps are not representative of black people
neither are Columbia/Harvard graduate quadroon children of alinsky's '68 prostitutes
do black people even play those type of games?
Obama might have been one of the worst Presidents discounting the fact he's a fricking Black person
>surveillance worse than watergate
>nobel peace drone bombardments
>no seriously he was premptively given a nobel peace prize for his fricking ethnicity
>sparked racial tensions by constantly racebaiting, especially the trayvon martin could've been muh son bullshit
>fast and furious
>hired a canadian to shill for him on Ganker
>ISIS
>weaponising the IRS against political opponents, singlehandedly ratcheting up partisanship in america
>purged the military
>benghazi
>lied about closing gitmo
>prosecuted more whistleblowers than every president since Reagan combined despite being "the most transparent administration" lmfao
>the frickup that was obamacare
>tried to rule by decree using executive orders
>kept blaming islamic chimpouts on guns
>"cool clock ahmed" aka praising a professional racebaiter's son for gutting a digital clock and stuffing it in a case deliberately in such a way it'd look like a bomb and repeatedly causing it to beep in class which naturally eventually spooked someone
I remind people of this shit all the time and all I get is fluoride stares or 'wutabout trump doh?'
>Obama might have been one of the worst Presidents
he's just a page in the book
don't care about obama
doesn't matter who is president
they all serve the same people
two different sides of the same coin
two different hands serving the same master
one president does 'this task' for the overlords
and then the page turns
and the next president does 'that next task' for the overlords
noone serves the people
because we live as cattle as the pages turn
If I had to pick one Frederick Douglass would have had a much wider influence than Tubman at the time
Martin Luther King or Malcom X
>The only black leaders that had the reach and influence that if provoked could have raised an army of over 20 million blacks at the time. (50 Million in today's population)
>Both were so feared by the white administration at the time they were both assassinated for fear of them actually raising an army in time.
I mean, we are putting her on the 20 dollar bill soon.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/25/us/politics/tubman-20-dollar-bill.html
>tubman on the bill that resulted in saint george of floyd's martyrdom
you can't make this shit up
If Irish, Belgians, Canadians, and Zulus get to be in solely on the back of their companies' purchasing power, Afro-Americans aren't too unreasonable, given their historic and continuous soft power reach.
>New Afrika
>Special unit: thug hunter
*Countries'
Sarantapechaina (Byzantium)
Just as Irene was willing to have her own son's eyes gouged out to cling to power, so too are modern devs willing to go to dire lengths to dig up more women as leaders.
(Honestly though, not a bad choice. She's a Byzantine analog of Wu Zetian, and also a foil for Charlemagne who is also on the list.)
Well, at least she was an actual empress and not some poet, scientist or other kind of nerd like Sappho or Copernicus. What's next, Oppenheimer for the US
WHY
DO
THEY
ALWAYS
USE
RANDOM
WOMEN
FOR
BYZANTIUM?
To counteract the chuddiness of featuring Byzantium as a playable faction. Same with Austria- two factions that regularly fought to prevent the Religion of Peace from spreading throughout Europe.
couldn't they at least use the famous prostitute
Half these people aren't even historical leaders what the frick Civ
So no Japan?
I hope none of you complain about Civ's "normie" picks for female leaders ever again.
Stuff like Wu Zetian, Victoria, Elisabeth, Isabel, Catherine the Great etc., where it's female leaders that people actually knew
Go on.
Name a single recognisable Nubian leader.
Yakub
do people actually know who wu zetian is
no
Yes if you're at least familiar with chinese history
I never complained when it was an actual female leader of relevance but sometime around Civilization VI they started to pick any random roastie they could to be leader and that's when it started to get stupid
>Sapho (greece)
>Harriet FRICKING Tubman (second USA leader I guess)
kek wtf all you need to know about this
I can't even complain about objectively bad picks like Kristina of Sweden because at least that b***h was an actual head of state/politician for a while. Not a very good one, mind you, but at least it's not Harriet Tubman. Or worse, Sappho. At least Tubman did something that was kind of politics related. Sappho was a fricking poet.
>Harriet Tubman
Even though she did lead slaves to freedom, due to a major head injury she received as a slave, it was well known at the time she'd have lapses of narcolepsy and randomly fall asleep in the middle of tasks, and wake up spontaneously hours later as though nothing happened
>Sappho
Has to be the dumbest prog shove in. She's a poet from Lesbos LESBIANS L(GB)TQIA2SM++DQAWTFBBQ-// REPRESENT that we only know mostly from second hand accounts and only have maybe two complete poems, a bunch of fragments, and multiple untold lost poems. We know next to nothing about her other than she was a poet everyone in antiquity raved about, for all we know she could have been a advocate of traditional life style. Most important information out of all of this though is she was a POET and never led anything. It's laughable why she was made a leader
funny thing, there's actually an ahistorical legend attrributed to her that she killed herself by jumping from a ledge to proclaim her love to a man because everyone accused her of being a lesbian
>she'd have lapses of narcolepsy and randomly fall asleep in the middle of tasks
FRICK, EVEN HARRIET TUBMAN FELL ASLEEP ON THE JOB?!
>Even though she did lead slaves to freedom, due to a major head injury she received as a slave, it was well known at the time she'd have lapses of narcolepsy and randomly fall asleep in the middle of tasks, and wake up spontaneously hours later as though nothing happened
She was black AND mexican?
>Sappho
>Confucius
>Cesare Beccaria
>Copernicus
>Hildegard
>Harriet Tupman
Those are some moronic ass choices, what the frick?
That's why
>Those are some moronic ass choices
If I was forced to choose a non ruler leader for China, Confucius would be first on the list. Thinking about it, even if I could choose rulers he'd still end up ahead of Wu Zetian.
>Sappho was a fricking poet.
She was THE lesbian.
Seriously, they unrestricted themselves from rulers only and chose Sappho of all the Greek writers.
Hildegard was based I like her
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>Harriet Tubman instead of Chaderick Douglass
Yet another example that libs care more about theatrics than substance.
>Hildegard of Bingen
>Harriet Tubman
Yep, this game will flop so fricking hard. You think people who play as Germany in their strategy games want to roleplay as fricking Hildegard of Bingen? No.
This game has really strong Old World vibes, meaning it'll flop.
>not Albert I, the one worth a damn
>not even Leopold II, who at least did some shit abroad
Leopold I was nothing short of a British puppet
these anons have the right idea, though Belgian national identity as separate from the Dutch and French grew a bit as time went on
It does seems like they chose Leopold I simply because he was the first king of Belgium, although he wasn't even involved in the initial creation of the country. It's also fun that he isn't even the first person to show up when you google Leopold I. Instead it's Leopold I of Habsburg.
I would have chosen Albert I for Belgium
Choosing Albert requires some knowledge of and respect for Belgian history
>Choosing Albert requires some knowledge of and respect for Belgian history
I have no knowledge of or respect for Belgian history and Albert is obviously the correct choice for their leader
d’Arc (France)
>Charlemagne (The Holy Roman Empire)
Do they know and just don't care? Or do they not know?
as a fricking subhuman from thirdie, why, why do mutts keep rejecting their beauty, and push this ugly Black person worship, i cannot understand, also frick you for accepting non-skilled asylum seekers, like mudslimes, and non conforming groups like Black folk
They accept them because they need thralls to work poverty jobs for them. Damn, you subhumans really have no clue how the world works.
But the thralls dont care, they're not even in their society; there's actually a wide gulf between the classes. None of this makes sense, why would middle-class whites get a narcissistic injury if there are no Black folk around?
because we fear being racist, it's a great sin to us
Nicolas Copernicus would be better used as a diplomat or governor, as he was irl, than actual ruler.
(Btw. seeing him there made me reread broadly his history, and discovered that for most of his life Kopernik was funded, worked for, and either taught or were taught by Bishops and other clergyman, as well as dedicating his work towards the current Pope, he was most often under attack from Lutherans actually. That's not at all like what I learned about him from school, which I guess I can only blame on our education system still reeling from the time it served the Communist state, as I can'tiImagine things like that being omitted for the general "Church was against Heliocentrism", in such a pro-Catholic country otherwise)
>blame on our education system still reeling from the time it served the Communist state
Tbh this comes from late 18th and 19th centuries protestant "Black Legend" propaganda. It's the same everywhere
Joanna at least is cute.
genuinely surprised she looks like this given the dev team, every contemporary account from people who actually knew her described her as having black hair and dark eyes and swarthy skin, a typical med peasant look
Look at her icon, "maid of orleans" she has black hair in that, very incoinsitant
What did they mean by this?
>Game is called ARA
>Noted feedback on earlier build of the game was “too many cougars”
Heh
can't get a job in the industry right now but this gay hag gets paid six figures to ride a scooter at work
They need to meet their diversity quota. I bet she isn't even a coder.
Ok cool, I will go play Old World. Thanks Oxide you fricking hacks.
I like the living world part but i know this game will be shit.
>"civilization killer" #27382901
I wonder if the homies at Firaxis have memes about this.
the closest one was Old World
Is it any good? I need something else for my Civ fix
Or I guess some other 4x, most others I play are fine but don't have the same longevity
If you like early game civ then you'll probably like it.
I had a lot of fun with old world. Probably 300 hours into it.
It had a lot of good new ideas that other 4x/civ games should steal, but since nobody played it, they won't and so we must persist in this doomed world we have created.
The biggest problem is probably that combat/war is not very good. Better than the average civ game, but just a slog to play at higher difficulty levels.
And of course there's a common event where you meet boudica. Frick Boudica.
This very game actually takes a lot of inspiration from Old World.
I'm cautiously optimistic. It can't be as bad as Humankind and even that was almost playable
I mean it sold less copies than humankind
>"We want to explore more and different parts of history"
>While showing the eiffel tower and the pharos of Alexandria
Either they're just giving lip service to progressive bullshit, or they're so moronic they don't even notice it.
>approachable
I don't want that.
I want it to be confusing at first, I want to wrestle with the game and best it.
game doesnt need to have 50 million moronic rules and hidden menus to be hard, chess has 100x times more depth than any parawieners game yet its rules can be explained in 5minutes
It's not about hard, it's about compelling systems and input
Difficulty is derived from opposition, it is irrelevant to the point
and they just spent 7 minutes not explaining their rules and instead focused on their feelings
Chess has artificial depth.
nobody cares about your mental moronation paratroon
go be a /misc/Black person someplace else.
why do you reddit tourist with terminal pol syndrome even come here? go back to your /gsg/ containment board homosexual
You failed to gatekeep your hobby, now you will suffer the consequences.
Civ died when Civ 5 came out already.
lmao cant shittalk paradox games cause troon janny will delete your post.
Yea they delete all paradox hate threads. Jannies are biased and love paracucks.
Vst is Paradox's unofficial forums. There are always at least 5 threads of their games going on, and often multiple on the same tittle, and they never get removed. It's a scourge jannies have embraced as if it pays them money to leave them up.
Nothing would improve vst more than every Paradox thread getting autoremoved and the posters banned.
as much as it's israelitey liberal bullshit, I am sorta impressed at just how well polished it all looks.
BOUDICA.
Every time.
Compare these two:
The one on the left was the wife of a king. When he died and Romans took his land, she led a revolt and had one of the most historic embarrassing losses despite having overwhelming numbers. The only notable actions she has taken was led to battles.
On the right is the son of a chieftain. You could say they are from comparably noble backgrounds. He united the mongol tribes and then forged the largest empire there had ever been until then. He died in a battle at 65 years old.
I will never not be mad that these literal who's who led their people into doom and death get treated as if they're peers to one of the greatest men that ever lived.
>BOUDICA
Built for BRC (Big Roman wiener)
Romans would have beaten him too.
Yeah, maybe, but not with vastly inferior numbers like they did boudica.
Wild that just looking her up it shows what a massive failure her revolt was lmao
Not really the fault of modern devs.
Boudica and other Celtic leaders became romantic icons in 19th century Europe. Brits had a statue of her right at the core of London since 1850~
It's funnier the more you look into it, she sacked the trinovantes and cattevelauni (both briton tribes) capitals, including torturing the civilians and even tried to destroy london (londinium) itself. The rebellion was more like a BLM chimpout that ended up killing more Britons than Romans.
i think aoe4 depiction is better
>Confucius say, man with penis in peanut butter jar, fricking nuts
>WAR DECLARED
You know what, I'm not even mad.
barf
This looks pretty cool. I despise the Civ 6 cartoonish graphics. Much prefer Civ 5.
We truly live in the age that nobody knows how to make truly good strategy games anymore.
Congrats I guess...
...truly.
We live in an age where no one knows how to do anything anymore, we are just coasting off the remnants of a society built by people who did.
Well, I guess it's time to play Starcraft 1 and 2 this entire century as penance...
We are in a scenario where there is not even officially a graphic remake of Sid Meier's Alpha Centaury, that's how BAD the current situation is.
Alright. I watched it, finally. The game will dead on arrival and irrelevant, because it offers no real alternative to Civ 6, except more micromanagement mechanics.
>same Great Man of History wankery
>same Beeg Monument wankery
>same competition and victory worldview
>the common people are just toys for you to play with, no agency or desires of their own
>but the map is assymetrical
>some more pointless micro
>maybe no "barbarians at the gates" racism
It's the same liberal/fascist worldview.
>FASCISMS!!!
commies don't call everything they dislike fascism for five minutes challenge (impossible, almost died)
also the common people literally do not have agency, every single revolution in history was lead by merchants, intelligentsia or nobles
also lmao @ communists shitting on great man theory before kneeling to their shrine of marx, engels and lenin
>same Great Man of History wankery
>same Beeg Monument wankery
>same competition and victory worldview
If you want to play EU IV or Victoria III nobody is stopping you. 4X games don't really make much sense as more open ended geopolitics simulators. The mechanics are inherently simplified and "board gamey" and therefore work best as a "digital board game." Take away Great People, Wonders, and the Victory Conditions and what is left is pretty directionless and featureless. That might work as a sandbox game for a little while but would get old quick.
>Take away Great People, Wonders, and the Victory Conditions and what is left is pretty directionless and featureless.
But is that really true? What champion was ever unseated by something that is nearly identical and lacked imagination? It's kind of depressing to watch a game development that is pretty much guaranteed to end up like Humankind.
You can take away all of that stuff, but you have to replace it with something else that provides a sense of direction and engagement. If you just take all of that away without adding anything new to replace it then my initial point stands.
It honestly sounds like you just want a simulation where the player has no control and a mass of simulated individuals eventually create a utopian society that perfectly fits your worldview, with none of the historical events that do not fit your worldview occurring.
>same Great Man of History wankery
Why do you pretend an influential person can't move multitudes without influence?
So, any word on Civ 7? Might as well wait for it after seeing OP's link. Jesus.
>it's actually in development
Wait, are Civtards the ones trying to meme EU5 and HoI5 into existence?
>Paradrones
Not even once
>durr hurr you're a drone
At least my games aren't treated like slower versions of FIFA and Call of Duty.
When are they gonna make Stellaris but Civ?
No, Humankind doesn't count. That's just Civ with Age of Mythology Minor Gods/Age of Empires III Politician System.
I want a civ clone where civs start as blank slates as cavemen and pick and choose different, individual traits and civics that change they way they are played as the game progresses.
>arent 0.01% buffs so great that they should be in every game
civ 5 social policies change the game much more significant than anything in stellaris
the only meaningful choice you have in stellaris is on the race-crafting stage
>build civ from dawn of humans
>if you play your cards right you can have them explore and colizie the galaxy
It would basically be Civ up until FTL then switch to Stellaris and you could even have FTL civs set up observation posts around your planet.
The game would be a MASSIVE undertaking and i assume even getting to FTL status would take a huge amount of time. I doubt it would ever happen but it would be cool.
That idea sounds good, though you don't need to make the game necessarily leave the solar system.
We have enough planets to play in here, so you can colonize mars and set up orbital stations on other planets, and the first faction that sends a FTL or Generational ship to Alpha Centauri wins the "Colonization" Victory condition.
The problem with that is that Civilization is not a simulation game or a grand strategy game, it is a virtual board game and increasingly so as the decades went on. Now it doesn't even hide it. It has no solutions for the rise and fall of various civilizations throughout history other than "lol they lost" or "oh no one of your cities rebeled". The technology is static and doesn't respect real life disparities in culture and tech, because it wants to be fair and orderly rather than Guns Germs and Steel. And there's no representation of ethnic groups or local cultures, just national cultures, so no fun to be had there either (admittedly, Civ 3 did this, which was nice).
Accept that the Civilization model is a dead end board game. It is what it is, but if you're looking for Cavemen 2 Cosmos you need a completely different system.
>When are they gonna make Stellaris but Civ?
>start Civillaris XVIII
>blank civ
>tech rush until everyone is the same civ with blue lasers
>???
>end game crisis I guess
i see some elements of anno 1800.
mutts are physically unable to imitate even a fracture of the german devs power, just stop this embarrassment
Without going /misc/ explain to me why they deliberately pick incompetent token people as civilization leaders?
There is no explanation that isn't /misc/. They're so desperate for female leaders that they start scraping the barrel, because they've already found and used all the non-famous competent female leaders.
>there is no explanation that isn't /misc/
But that isn't /misc/. True /misc/ would be blaming the israelites for pushing more propaganda into entertainment.
You don't need to blame the israelites when white women are literally just as bad, lmao.
Implying an agenda of any kind has been generalized as "/pol/" -- basically it's just another buzzword to get you to drop a topic.
Like
>meds
or
>schizo
Thought-termimating cliché.
>Without going 4 explain to me what 2 + 2 equals
>arab
>woman
>Black person
Into the trash
When will the matriarcal liberal arts rejects era of video games development end? We can't take this competence crisis anymore. When are the tech nerds era coming back?
the industry needs to collapse first
The economy needs to return first because no one is going to care about videogames in a collapsed one
It won't. These games make money. The best we have are private companies like Larian making good games; anything Publicially Traded or non-indie will be garbage.
>Larian making good games
Larian are some of the matriarchal liberal arts rejects anon was talking about
>Larian are some of the matriarchal liberal arts rejects anon was talking about
Install "No alphabets" (removes LGBT content) and "Better Aesthetics" (replaces most non whites) mods
They have to put that in due to ESG stipulations. As another anon said, download the mods that remove them and you'll realize that all such depictions are superficial pandering.
this b***h gives me the same vibes as that Ouya ceo did lol
Did they ruin the game by throwing in Climate Change for reasons?
CIV4 has climate change
Civ 2 has climate change
They are not talking about Civilization in this instance, I imagine. I think they are referring to Humankind's absolute dogshit pollution/climate change "system" where the game just ends if so much pollution is produced because the environment is suddenly destroyed forever and humanity is extinct.
So far there has been no video game that has had climate change mechanics as severe (or interesting) as Alpha Centauri.
Just how much water ice does Planet even have?
The fungus stretches deep into Planet's crust, and when it dies, all the water it's retaining gushes to the surface.
hot take:
climate change is a good gameplay mechanic if done well
case in point of badly done climate change is terra invicta
>climate change is a good gameplay mechanic if done well
case-in-point there's a game about reversing it's effects after the damage has already been done. I forget what it was called but I thought the main gimmick was neat.
Terra Nil?
Fate of the World is also pretty fun. It's a climate change-based game before it became a mainstream thing that people are glueing their faces to roads and throwing soup at art over.
You don't get it, deploying a geneplague on Africa is necessary to lower carbon emissions.
>fate of the world
i wish this was a real game and not a card game so badly
so much potential for the concept that was underutilised
Well they attempted to make a sequel a few times I think but it got no attention, so the idea died.
Pollution and environmental changes as a result of players overdeveloping their territory is a good way to both check their progress while also giving them something to do.
If anything, I wish Civilization had BETTER enviromentalist mechanics than "oops the oceans are overflowing" or "better clean up that pollution tile".
My dick would get a hearbeat if we had currents that could cool down
like, pollute so much in game that temp increases, and glaciers fall into the ocean cooling down the gulf stream so certain regions get colder
Tiles have plastic counters on them.
watching another player just dump more and more plastic into the ocean and resolving it by fricking nuking him
kino
That's because it's propaganda rather than a good mechanic.
The corporations and politicians want you to accept their wealth transfer scheme and ignore real pollution.
No, the mechanics suck because none of the modern Civ titles or clones have an actual climate simulation, it just runs off of dumb rules like "grasslands become desert" or "only specific coastal tiles sink".
I played both alphas of this frickass game. It's such a god damn mess. They try to fit so many half assed ideas to feel different yet it feels terrible to play. It also literally runs terribly because of how unoptimized it was. The combat was terrible, the city-building aspects were ok but half assed, the crafting was terrible. The entire game revolves around getting stars like some fricking kindergarten assignment. There are no various victories it's literally whoever has the most stars wins. It really feels like a shitty attempt at them going "hey what if we made a historical 4x but then took elements from adjacent genres and duct taped them on?"
In a way this shitty game is the opposite of Millennia, where this game tries to be too different and ends up being half assed and Millennia doesn't try hard enough to be different and ends up being half assed
>There are no various victories it's literally whoever has the most stars wins.
That's an improvement over the 'huddle in a corner until you can launch a rocket' and 'huddle in a corner until everyone watches your anime' victory conditions.
the corrent way to play is to just ignore the "I must win" autism and just do an empire building larp
...which is exactly what score victories are meant to reward.
score victories are like a "time's up, now you can't build anymore"
I mean more in the sense of racing to the limit.
>all these civ clones now that the game industry is shit
Why weren't these a thing back in the 90s and 00s, the only civilization clone from back then I can think of is Call to Power which was technically a Civilization game originally. Same with the Total War games.
>Oxide Games is an American video game developer based in Lutherville-Timonium, Maryland. The studio was founded in January 2013 by Brad Wardell and former Firaxis employees Dan Baker, Marc Meyer, Brian Wade, and Tim Kipp.
>former Firaxis employees
😀
>Why weren't these a thing back in the 90s
>haters seething
This game is going to be good.
Much more excited for unremarkable looking Millenia game than this turbo pozzed corporate garbage