>NSMB has a sterile, stiff copy/paste style
>SOULLESS! BRING BACK OLD MARIO!
>Super Mario Wonder brings back the stylized proportions and expressiveness of classic NES box art Mario
>FORCED SOUL! OVER-ANIMATED SLOP!
>GBA Mario RPG and Paper Mario ports and sequels remove unique characters and make everything as homogeneous as possible
>THE MARIO MANDATE IS RUINING EVERYTHING!
>Super Mario RPG remake retains the same graphical style of the SNES original and leaves in all the unique characters without homogenizing them
>LAZY CASH GRAB! WHY DIDN'T THEY UPDATE THE STYLE!
So just what the frick does Ganker actually want from Mario? Nintendo is literally addressing all the criticisms people have had over the past few years and you fricks all just choose to be totally contrarian about it for no reason. I think both games look great, I'm excited for a soulful Mario renaissance.
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>So just what the frick does Ganker actually want from Mario?
RAGE
I HATE EVERYTHING
no arrow
forced gem
>Actual takes the time and effort to draw OC
>It's still a wojak
Lol.
Lmao. The absolute state of newbies.
If you want an example of soul/souless this is it
So, soul? Anon didn't give a frick and wanted to draw a basedjack, that makes his creation genuine
Frick soijak and frick you. And frick the homosexual who created it.
>Mad because of a wojak
I missed when Ganker would just post rage all day.
Don't worry i edit fixed
So look like classic Ganker-tan?
Based.
Thanks : D
Kek. Nice.
Thank you Anon : )
Np, friend.
most normal Ganker user
Metal Gear
Friendly reminder you (yes, YOU) the ones forcing this shit meme from reddit tourists, are the same people that almost got PPG shitcanned because "b-b-bUG EYES!" "le WEIRD!" "le DIFFERENT!" only for BASED Genndy Tartakovsky to come in and stomp those shit eating kids face in and make PPG the world biggest iconic super heroine show of all time with more merch than any other CN show ever.
If you hate this game's visuals you are actually as mentally ill as children with shit taste. Which is the lowest point a "human" can be considered a human. Be better.
Transformers
Evangelion
Ganker wants to complain
I still think the nu art style is forced soul incarnate. It’s kind of sad of Nintendo is trying to recapture the feeling of their old games and fail so spectacularly.
Do you prefer the previous 20 years though where every game looked like they used the same generic assets? This is clearly an improvement.
It's so reminiscent of the old stye art like pic related, though, and I love that they're not afraid to make it more cartoony. NSMB truly does feel soulless, stiff, and devoid of expression but Wonder is such a massive improvement in all those regards.
>Wonder is such a massive improvement in all those regards.
It is a very slight improvement and you will see that when the game comes out
Grabbing the hat when entering a pipe is more soul than the last two decades combined.
Poor nintendo fans absolutely starved for any droplets of soul left in their abusive, criminal against gaming company's marketing milkers for what could someday be considered child abuse. Its absolutely phenomenal how thirsty for any soulful content they are, they think that giving enough to the devs for the game to look good in the trailer would substite for an entirely stale and dry experience that is the Super Mario Bros. Series. Boring fricking stale franchise, shit game, only Nintendo fans would fall for tears in the desert, I bet you would preorder this garbage
Alright then, what could they have done to make the soul not forced?
Go with simple is better like SMB3's artstyle.
Where the FRICK are you pixel Black folk coming from? First Sonic Super Star now this shit
3D WILL kill 2D, just accept it. The disney animation can work in 3D just fine
Release it 20 years ago then the soul will be there 🙂
forced thread
forced soul
SMW is just NSMB but 80% the same instead of 100% the same
Why did old Ganker constantly shit on overanimiated soulless shit like this, but now they are saying it looks good? Please don't tell me Nintendo shills exist. They were the only company I thought didn't need to resort to that shit like Capcom and Square
smb wonder running animation looks nothing like that
It does tho and it's the style they are going for. It looks stupid. Mario's mustache doesn't need to keep constantly moving just cause he walks or his hat flapping up and down when he runs
>It does tho
No, it doesn't, shut the frick up
rude
That's overanimated because it's ooc and it's a fricking sprite. Wonder is a 3D game that can do anything it wants because it's everything 2D can do and more and it's more on model to OG Mario than soulless 2000s shitrio content that you zoomtards grew up with.
>soulless 2000s shitrio content
what
>Please don't tell me Nintendo shills exist.
Black person where do you think you are?
wonder looks great, I actually want to play it
Shitposting is unironically more fun than playing video games
Learn to differentiate low effort shitposting from actual criticism.
>So just what the frick does Ganker actually want from Mario?
This. The "forced soul" thing is just one homosexual who should die and a bunch of shitposters copying him
damn nintendo shills are going at it, look at them go!
The phrase is "GET woke, go broke."
trolled
Forced soul seethers
Nothing
>So just what the frick does Ganker actually want from Mario?
They want a game they like that isn't liked by people they don't like.
This is actually what I want from Mario. The people screaming forced soul and still somehow think the mandate is alive in some way are schizos.
It’s mandategays who are passed off that they’ve been living a lie for the last 8 years and so they’re shitposting Wonder and the SMRPG remake out of spite.
The real issue is the shiny plastic aesthetic they have asserted as 'the' Mario art style since the Wii. The only time it didn't look awful was in Mario 3D World.
"forced soul" is the new stupidest thing this website has ever come up with
spend years complaining about soul then when they actually do what you want, come up with the stupidest mental gymnastics possible to call it "forced soul"
>yeah well that's what they would do to add soul!! they did exactly what they should have done to add soul but on purpose so that's forced soul!!!!!
astoundingly stupid
Dilate.
Are you blind?
>big announcement happens
>something stupid gets pushed in every thread
First time?
It's so good it's bad.
holy shit this game is breaking the board so hard they forgot about botw
It’s fake outrage, stop being baited. You won’t get meaningful conversation here anymore, especially not during CoD-kiddy summer vacation.
And we were raided by Black person redditors, so it's basically unusable and might be the final death knell for this place.
Mario Wonder brings back the stylized proportions and expressiveness of classic NES box art Mario
no it didnt
this game is just calarts mario
it looks like it was created by tumblr
>this game is just calarts mario
It's literally classic box art Mario.
it doesnt look anything like this
why are you lying?
It's more cleaned up but the proportions and facial features are absolutely inspired by that era of Mario art.
> muh box art
Video games aren’t supposed to look like box art. Box art and vidya have completely different jobs.
I just love the pre-"Perfect Mario" era of Mario art and like that they're drawing inspiration from that style.
good thing he said it looks like the boxart not the game
>Video games aren’t supposed to look like box art. Box art and vidya have completely different jobs.
Are you fricking moronic? The entire reason old games didn't look like the boxart is because the hardware couldn't run it. You think they wanted things to look like a shitty pixelated mess and not the cool art they put on the box?
Why don't these fricking cowards triple down on the mushroom lore
There was definitely a meeting held at Nintendo over whether or not the "turn everything trippy" powerup should be a mushroom.
nah, no noodle arms, no beanface, no caterpillar mouth
doesn't have the calarts trinity
it's like you have no idea what calarts looks like
Of course they don't, it's just a buzzword from cross boarders from Ganker
(You)
Ganker just wants (You)s and that's it. They will say literally anything if it means they will get replies for the dopamine hits. That's it, that's all there is to the insane-sounding opinions on this board.
You know, it kind of looks like Robot Chicken.
THIS IS IT THIS IS WHAT I WAS THINKING OF SINCE I SAW IT, I JUST COULDN'T REMEMBER
yeah with the purposely choppy stopmotion style animation I definitely see it
>purposely choppy stopmotion style
why is Ganker so full of absolute fricking nitwits who don't know a goddamn thing about animation
It looks cheap and too artisticly streamlined. However since Nintendo fans have zero quality santadard this will be seen as something revolutionary.
I don't think Mario games are capable of soul anymore
Maybe some of the sports ones
Shitposters are just looking for things to be mad about. We're going to get this same buzzword spam anytime a new Nintendo game comes out.
>Nintendo is literally addressing all the criticisms people have had over the past few years and you fricks all just choose to be totally contrarian about it for no reason
nobody likes nuwonder mario because it's israeli fanservice pandering like trash ultimate did with the roster. smash gave the goys everything they wanted but it didn't change the fact that it's a shit game and melee/64 are the better games
get off Ganker for few days and fix your vocabulary
>buzzword buzzword buzzword
speak normally, moron.
Absolutely mindbroken
more like buck broken
>retains the same graphical style as the SNES original
not even REMOTELY close. It's sterile boring 3D renders instead of ultrasoul animation dolls and clay. It looks like some boring unreal engine slop.
>NSMB is soulless, but serviceable
>acknowledge the games as maybe 5/10 or 6/10 games since they do their job, but they're not bringing anything worthwhile to the table
>Super Mario Wonder seems to be in the same niche, as fancy animations really don't nullify the fact that it's gonna be yet another so/so mario game, even if mario games really aren't bad in the slightest.
>erego it'll get a similar 5/10 or 6/10 score
As a gameplay enthusiast, Mario games are inherently passable because they care about gameplay, and not snoy movieshit like Xenoblade or Persona. So at worst they'll be decent games. I'm not gonna hate them for this forced soul buzzword trash being spammed by shitposters, but like all Nintendo games they do not deserve absurd and overwhelming praise. It's just Nintendo pumping out Mario, it's nothing to get crazy about.
>GBA Mario RPG and Paper Mario ports feel sterile at times
>at their core they're good games (minus nu-paper mario) but the ports often refuse to fix issues, leaving the games suffering from the same problems as previous games
>Super Mario RPG seems to be a faithful remake, but so far it doesn't look like they're fixing the issues of the base game either
>so it'll likely retain the same personal score
Being a huge fan of all 3 Mario RPG series, it's nice seeing Mario get an update, especially since Paper Mario and Mario+Luigi have been getting alot of attention. However, shouldn't a 60 dollar remake warrant a little more content? The worry is that they'll treat it like the Prime remaster and do nothing to justify the new price tag. We may not even get new enemies, or items, or locations. If we do, that'll be nice, but you know Nintendo is gonna charge full price for this, so why not put in some extra stuff to make it worthwhile?
The visuals affect gameplay pretty heavily, in my opinion. Weightier and more expressive animations contribute to a game feeling better to control, even if nothing about the actual controls has changed at all; it's like how people think the HL2 pistol sucks just because it sounds shitty even though it's a pretty decent pistol.
>The visuals affect gameplay pretty heavily, in my opinion. Weightier and more expressive animations contribute to a game feeling better to control,
And how will that matter if the game itself isn't any different from any of the other New Super Mario Brothers titles? Nintendo had a real problem rehashing the same kinds of levels over and over again, just with a different coat of paint.
>And how will that matter if the game itself isn't any different from any of the other New Super Mario Brothers titles?
The chief complaint people had with NSMB was the theming and visuals; the gameplay is incredibly solid already, people were just sick of the same ugly models and the same Grasslands/Beach/Desert/Poison Jungle/Sky/Lava World (plus one new powerup that usually gives you some gimmicky form of glide) theme that permeated every single game. Even if they stick to that annoying rhythm, they at least have room to mix things up and provide interesting visuals with the game's new main gimmick being centered around changing the level rather than the characters themselves. We also still don't know what the deal with the purple coin things is, or whether or not the Elephant is the game's mainstay powerup or just a one-off gimmick like Mario turning into a ball.
Yeah mechanically NSMBU is the best 2D Mario but you would actually have to play video games to know that so Ganker hates it
>The chief complaint people had with NSMB was the theming and visuals;
Honestly, that was never my problems. I always felt sick of the gameplay never justifying the price tag, since each NSMB just felt like a glorified level pack.
>Even if they stick to that annoying rhythm, they at least have room to mix things up and provide interesting visuals with the game's new main gimmick being centered around changing the level rather than the characters themselves
Unfortunately the trailer didn't do much to endear to us the idea of "changing the level". Most stuff just felt cosmetic or inconsequential. It's the same thing as when people claimed that NSMB2 was some revolutionary game, but all they did was ctrl+v a bunch of coins in each level. Maybe there's more to the game, but the trailer really should've shown something more.
>since each NSMB just felt like a glorified level pack.
I can't say I disagree, but we've already seen a lot of new and interesting mechanics and assets, IMO.
> It's the same thing as when people claimed that NSMB2 was some revolutionary game,
I literally never saw anyone claim NSMB2 was revolutionary. Even among people who liked NSMBWii/U/Luigi U, I don't know anyone who defends 2.
>I can't say I disagree, but we've already seen a lot of new and interesting mechanics and assets, IMO.
It remains to be seen if they actually bring something new to the table. Like I can tell right now that the talkative flowers will just be a cosmetic effect, and them not showing off alot of elephant mario is concerning.
The flowers more than likely exist to guide players along during the trippy sections to make sure dumb kids or whatever don't get confused.
Wonder has the promise of being more creative with the level design, which was by far the biggest thing holding back the NSMB titles as far as overall quality went (since everything felt so rote in those games). If they are particularly creative it can easily elevate the game to an 8 or 9, but we'll just have to wait and see.
the game does seem to be creative (at least compared to nsmb games)
but the gameplay in mario platformers was always just fine
the levels are straightforward
and neither hard nor do they have a lot of depth to them
and once you see the level's gimmick you can somewhat predict the whole level
but it's passable and wonder does seem to try out new shit
hoping the levels will feel less generic than the ones in nsmb games or 3d land and 3d world at least
Lumping 3D World in with 3D Land and NSMB is a massive fricking disservice to that game. It was teeming with creativity - sure, some levels were more standard than others, but even those were of a much higher quality than what's in the other two.
Im praying it was just my controller, but I downloaded NSMB Wii on a whim last night and good GOD is it a pile of crap
>Super Mario RPG remake retains the same graphical style of the SNES original
It doesn't use pre-rendered graphics though. Are you blind?
The Mario in the remake looks nothing like the Mario RPG mario. It looks like they ripped out a generic looking mario from their ads and put it into the game. It looks like cheap mobile shit. Now that is definition of soulless
I understand that pre-rendered graphics might be weird to do on an HD console, but having a clay animation style or something like that would've been fine.
This is like the one time where I think Good Feel WOULD have been perfect for the job.
>The Mario in the remake looks nothing like the Mario RPG mario
Anon, I know the lighting is different, but you're just wrong.
The only one who looks remotely similar is Mallow and he's by far the most simple design on display.
Lice I said it looks like they ripped models from commercial or ads or from Mario party. The Mario RPG Mario had a distinct look
Those "ripped models" is how those characters officially look now, triple Black person. They aren't going to make uggo bowser based on shitty limitations just because you having touched video games for 30 years
This game is suppose to be up to modern standards. If you can't take that have a nice day., you're literally too old to be still living.
nintendo really didn't let nuSMRPG give mario peach and bowser unique designs? the mandate is in full effect
Their proportions are very clearly heavily altered to be more in-line with the prerendered models from the original, are you blind? The only difference beyond the lighting (which I agree is worse; hard black shadows are sadly a rarity these days) is that the characters aren't just a bunch of lumpy sphere primitives stapled together any more.
For comparison.
That being said, I'm really hoping they don't actually do the "zoom in on the models" cutscenes in the game, and that that was just a trailer thing. These designs look weird up close.
Those cutscenes are clearly pre-rendered for key moments, like meeting Mallow as he chases Croco or the spirit possessing the Geno doll
What people are saying is that it looks like they squished down pre-existing 3D models while abandoning design aspects that made the original unique. There's no stylization beyond proportions. Peach's eyes, hair, expressions etc. are identical to all the other 3D incarnations of her, and it looks weirdly uncanny.
>What people are saying is that it looks like they squished down pre-existing 3D models while abandoning design aspects that made the original unique
Okay, but that's more or less what happened in the original. Peach and Mario's faces in the original models matched their designs at the time; the only major difference was being squished down.
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Besides the loss of the hard shadows that brought a dark mystery to the original, it really doesn't feel like the game is a downgrade. They're faithfully keeping the monster designs, and even updating them to be more faithful, like how Valentina's drink is changed so that it's an actual margarita, which was her name in Japan. A small detail like that is heart warming to see.
does valentina's breasts jiggle when hit
but we lost the titty jiggle, so is it really worth it?
no
yeah, that is a shame to lose. But this isn't Final Fantasy, where you can show half-naked women everywhere and excuse it by saying "w-well the summons are supposed to be naked". Mario still has to appeal to a young audience. Also expecting Culex to be redesigned for this same reason. A shirtless muscular demon guy with a diamond wiener doesn't scream family friendly.
this image makes me believe the mario mandate is real. i wouldn't be surprised if most of the NUSMRPG assets are copy pasted and chibi modified straight from odyssey, or the wonder game
>hands are open
Mario bros… its over…
IMO Peach and especially Mario are too short, makes Mario's head and shoes look too big. If you make their bodies like 1/10 taller it would look perfect.
You can't force soul by definition
these aren't "stylised proportions" these are just flat out bad proportions with awful animation.
look at his broken arm and broken leg snapped off into his stomach.
Breaking the model is natural in 3D animation and professional animators do it all the time. You just have an aneurysm over Kazuya.
This idea that everything MUST be perfectly on-model at all times is exactly what leads to NSMB staleness.
no it's not.
you can break model if it adds to the animation.
if you can't even make a static pose like OP pic without it being completely fricked you're a shit animator.
mario odyssey had great quality poses and animation. this shit is trash.
>look at his broken arm and broken leg snapped off into his stomach.
>if you can't even make a static pose like OP pic without it being completely fricked you're a shit animator.
That's just a frame from a transformation sequence so what you are spouting is completely irrelevant. The actual jumping animations are different.
it's a key pose the game holds on it for an extended period.
imagine if marios "moon get" pause pose looked that fricked in odyssey.
>take 3d model and flatten it
>morons eat it up
It looks nauseating.
I think it looks good, but if they don't have elephant tf for the princesses I will boycott
>literal Popeye's ripoff
mario was never soulful
Most people here dont like games anymore, but because they cant move on to other things, they became the equivalent of digital wraiths.
Ganker is just terrified a game might be good
90% of the time "soul" just means "thing I like"
>So just what the frick does Ganker actually want from Mario?
To go back to childhood, before jaded bitterness and self-awareness that knows that no matter what, all games are made with the intention to invoke feelings that will get you to purchase them for the sake of the company's profit.
>all these webm that hyper focus on Mario when 99% of your game time is spent not hyper focusing on him.
Pic related is a screencap from the trailer and it looks good.
snoys dont know what they want, they dont have any games to draw lessons from so they just seethe
Quirky.
I will always seethe at Mario unless he pulls a gun and kills someone or says "Frick" in very clear english.
I am praising SMRPG remake, and hoping it does well enough for a continuation of the series or the Paper Mario series (ending at TTYD).
We can use good turn based, non gimmicky(m&l) good olskoo square combat. The platforming is still there so yeah I like it
I hope there are a thousand more paper mario sequels and every one of them is based around paper gimmicks with a supporting cast of multicolored toads
I cannot for the life of me care about the New series. I hated the music in the games and the art style. I'm glad Nintendo stopped continuing the series.
>caring about what Ganker wants
Shits all over any of the nsmb games and thats all it really needed to do, won't buy it because I have no friends though
I might emulate it
It's deceptive soul.
I actually don't mind the characters, animations and fluff of wonder. The rest of the game though just looks like NSMB. I wish they did a more drastic shift in the rest of the artstyle.
>3D "realism" of brown, black, grey and limited mocapped movement
How does that apply to games like Sunshine and Galaxy?
It applied to Brawl and TP, and games like Mario were just "oh it's Mario, of course he'd do that instead of "maturing""
Everything from that time was cancer.
>So just what the frick does Ganker actually want from Mario?
you need to realize that Ganker is not one person or a hivemind
Anon, everyone here is shitposting. No one actually believes anything they post, and no one actually plays video games. They just root for their team. People playing video games don't post here as often as the literal morons who make soulslop zoomerkino Twitter troony screenshot threads. It's just people looking for things to be upset at.
i'll say 90% of this board is actual gamers
the other 10% are just normies who only give a frick about idpol and how many troons or Black folk a random game has
the latter should shoot themselves
maybe i'm having too much faith in this board and it's all filled with morons
but either way it's still one of the best (or at least most enjoyable) places for gaming discussions i can find
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"forced soul" was unironically NSMB. Think about it.
>largely characterized by throwbacks to SMB3 and SMB1 (with a couple nods to SM64 and SMW here and there), but regurgitated without the limitations or effort that made that stuff endearing the first time around
>does extremely little that's truly "new" to them
>artstyle tries to evoke nostalgia with tile-based foregrounds and 2D backgrounds, but with flat shading that looks like a Flash game and clashingly juxtaposed with the most generic Mario character/enemy models that are animated in a sterile unstylized way
Wonder addresses a lot of this just from what we've seen in a couple minutes.
This is how NSMB should’ve looked like this since the beginning, it’s clearly inspired by NSMB but with much better animations and assets.
There’s still plenty of room for improvement in the next games, tho. I’d love an extra option for outlines for example.
I think they hit a wall with mario, nintendo is creative but...it's really starting to show now, the elephant inflation costume is just as dumb as the bee suit in galaxy
It's pretty obvious at this point that the people shitting on Nintendo just want to shit on Nintendo. SMRPG remake is every single thing they asked for in a game, but they cant possibly praise anything Nintendo does, so they'll instead make 500 threads whining about the UI, when the UI wasn't very good to begin with.
The industry and third party cartel literally have it out for Nintendo and whenever Nintendo is doing good, they become petulant whining b***hes, and when Nintendo is doing bad, they cheer and champion the games leading to Nintendo's downfall
No it isn't, everyone except this place, the place filled with contrarians and people craving another TORtanic, thinks the game looks great
>there are “people” that actually think like this
Nintendo is not the underdog in the industry, they never have been
Why do you lie? Talking trash about Nintendo is some people's wholes lives and careers. Nintendo was certainly the underdog during the wii u years and it's haters were already celebrating it's death but became extremely mindbroken over the switch and its games enormous successes and rather than admitting Nintendo is good they will just triple down on the hate.
I haven't said this about Mario games in many years, matter of fact I've never had to say it till Nintendo's new mentality towards game design came around with the Wii and DS. But yea don't care stay mad buying them.
If there ever was a time where voting with your wallet will actually work, its here.
Ganker thinks its fun to fabricate outrage. thats it. trying to find actual, honest criticism, praise, or conversation is a needle in a haystack. its just shit on top of shit. i dont understand how you people find it so fun to go back and forth about the most disingenuous garbage. i dont understand how you people take it so seriously.
>brings back box art style
>box art
Yeah the thing is it was the box art, not the video game. A box art is stiff it's not animated. Dumb monkey.
Once again I only care about gameplay. The complaints you detail are for morons. all that matters is gameplay.
I don't care if they released NSMB every year as long as the game design didn't change I would still buy it. I don't give a shit what it looks like.
Mario RPG remake retains the same graphical style of the SNES original and leaves in all the unique characters without homogenizing them
>>LAZY CASH GRAB! WHY DIDN'T THEY UPDATE THE STYLE!
nobody said this
It's just the embodiment of unsoul.