It's not, it only seems to be a 32mm game because everyone owns marines in some form or another. But your bog standard human-sized mini still comes on 25mm with some exceptions on 28.5mm that are otherwise the same size.
And while I don't claim that there was never scale creep, it does seem like they're finally starting to settle into a set ratio regarding the size of infantry (vehicles sadly have never been in scale except for maybe the new primarinade stuff). Nu-cadians for example are still the same height as the previous cadians and therefore the same scale when compared to either chaos marines and primarines.
The smaller boards are shite though and luckily no one I play with insists on them.
It's not, it only seems to be a 32mm game because everyone owns marines in some form or another. But your bog standard human-sized mini still comes on 25mm with some exceptions on 28.5mm that are otherwise the same size.
And while I don't claim that there was never scale creep, it does seem like they're finally starting to settle into a set ratio regarding the size of infantry (vehicles sadly have never been in scale except for maybe the new primarinade stuff). Nu-cadians for example are still the same height as the previous cadians and therefore the same scale when compared to either chaos marines and primarines.
The smaller boards are shite though and luckily no one I play with insists on them.
Only issue is scale creep, 40K is a 32mm wargame on an even smaller board now, looks ridiculous
Anon game scale refers to the height of a average (5’8” tall) human, base size has nothing to do with it. So at 28mm scale a 6’ tall human should be 29.65mm tall. And a 7.5’tall space marine should be 36.65mm tall.
That said I think space marine minis are more like 38-39mm so they are a bit big.
I know.
That said I think some of the humans are taller than others. Like kasirkin. But special forces are always made of fricking huge guys.
I wish I had some IG models when I made this picture. I guesstimated with a tau.
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>Like kasirkin
They are bigger, but they've always been bigger. The only ones that got bigger are SoB but they just made them the same size as Kasrkin and SoS.
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Yeh SoB are too large for sure. >>
I'm not sure that's a good comparison because I have the new beakies and the new DG/CSM and they are the exact same size. Even in your pic the beakie looks like he's on a way smaller base than the plague marine so measuring by pixels isn't gonna be accurate.
The death guard minis are not the same size as any of the 2019 csm minis not primaris, they are some weird inbetween size. I Also have both. The new HH beakies are basically csm size but they are more truescale proportioned with tinier heads and hands. But you are right about the base, I actually mounted my beakies on 28.5mm base cause they look bad on 32mm.
Beakies are not very big. They are more sized like humans wearing fallout power armour. (keep in mind I picked the tallest beakie pose for this picture)
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They stand a full head above my cadians, half a head above my kasrkin. That's tall enough for me.
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Can’t argue with that. Tbh that ties guard model is the size I’d like, but i cannot seem to find a good collection of STLs for power armour marks.
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I'm not sure that's a good comparison because I have the new beakies and the new DG/CSM and they are the exact same size. Even in your pic the beakie looks like he's on a way smaller base than the plague marine so measuring by pixels isn't gonna be accurate.
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Does this help?
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cool thanks anon
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Why is the supposed space dwarf nearly as tall as a regular human?
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Because he is an environmental adapted clone human, not a dwarf.
then OP is a moron or a /misc/ baiting homosexual, since the only problem I see on the left one is that he's a Black person
but you can paint your figures whatever you want so not a big deal
Those aren't even cadians, they are arcadians from RT. Metal cadians were made for 2ed to replace them and then replaced again with the now previous plastic cadians in the second IG codex of 3ed.
I think he's talking about the fatigues under the armor on Solar Auxilia? They're supposed to be able to operate in void space, so the the material can't be simple clothes but something sealed tight.
Cadians have always been gay. There's nothing about them that screams 40K. They could be in any near future or sci-fi setting, really.
Krieg is in a weird position because normoids read them as Nazis even though they're obviously a mix of different WWI uniforms but leaning more French because of the cut of the coat, the crest on the helmet, and puttees. GW even painted the kill team with a blue trenchcoat.
I propose that Mordians would be the ideal default regiment of Imperial Guard. They look a bit impractical. They have that authoritarian look down pat.
>normoids read them as Nazis
I see this stated but I've never seen anyone actually hold this opinion. Most normalgay Kriegfan ideas of Krieg are shovel memes and jokes about them eagerly throwing themselves into death.
And like, there were instances of Krieg regiments at Vraks breaking and running so half of that isn't even accurate.
>normoids read them as Nazis
I never got why. Other than the name being german they have nothing to do with them and they are very clearly WW1 inspired so still not related to nazis.
normonigs got their entire understanding of history from their high school history class - which they skived off from or ignored 90% of to stare at the back of the head of the girl they fancied - and some shitty documentaries they watched during college as the only person at a party left awake at 5am stoned and drunk out of their gourds.
>the name being german
is 100% enough to trigger "oh, so Nazis then" in normgroids.
Normal people cannot distinguish between WW1 and WW2 Germans in real life, they see the stahlhelm shape and they will do a Nazi salute, this happened everyday at a WW1 film I worked on.
>I propose that Mordians would be the ideal default regiment of Imperial Guard. They look a bit impractical. They have that authoritarian look down pat.
Naaaah it's gotta be Vostroyans because they have that perfect 40k anachronism aesthetic going on
I would say a wooden cased lasgun would be more dangerous. Maybe they don't, but I would assume the battery gets pretty hot. At least with the flame thrower the heat is only at the end, where any other gun is building up heat around the barrel. Either way i don't think it'll burst into flames either way, nor would I care it's fricking 40k.
This is making the assumption that everybody ages Blanche’s art is the core aesthetic for 40k, so should dictate the appearance of a core part of the imperium. It also misses the point entirely of the vast, varied scope of the imperium.
Literally the only reason people associate kreig with nazies is because they're called "krieg" pop culture depiction of nazies very rarely look anything like kriegers
Cadians have always been gay. There's nothing about them that screams 40K. They could be in any near future or sci-fi setting, really.
Krieg is in a weird position because normoids read them as Nazis even though they're obviously a mix of different WWI uniforms but leaning more French because of the cut of the coat, the crest on the helmet, and puttees. GW even painted the kill team with a blue trenchcoat.
I propose that Mordians would be the ideal default regiment of Imperial Guard. They look a bit impractical. They have that authoritarian look down pat.
>Krieg are mistaken for nazis >Steel Legion are the ones actually inspired by fallsturmjaeger helmets and German mechanized infantry tactics from WWII
Remember folks, the Germans never made use of any mechanized troops for specific breakthroughs EVER because they didn't have nearly as many as everybody else.
And GW would certainly NEVER make an entire guard culture wear the hat of one specific style of warfare or even an individual.
This lazerpig rimmyjobber is here to remind you.
Armageddon in the map is roughly Eastern Europe. Hades is Leningrad,acheron is Moscow, Tartarus is Stalingrad. The war starts in M41.941, like Operation Barbarossa starts in 1941. The Orks are described as invading with 3 tribes, and also late RT/early 2nd Orks had swastika decals and the original stormboyz. The Imperium side has Commissars and Space Marine reinforcements that play the role of the "Siberian Divisions" that save Moscow in December.
To add, Infernus is Kiev with the Palidus moutains and ash wastes bordering it standing in for the Priptet Marshes. Helsreach, meanwhile, is Sevastopol.
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Armageddon in the map is roughly Eastern Europe. Hades is Leningrad,acheron is Moscow, Tartarus is Stalingrad. The war starts in M41.941, like Operation Barbarossa starts in 1941. The Orks are described as invading with 3 tribes, and also late RT/early 2nd Orks had swastika decals and the original stormboyz. The Imperium side has Commissars and Space Marine reinforcements that play the role of the "Siberian Divisions" that save Moscow in December.
Insane how there's a seemingly inexhaustible font of all the instances of GW being horribly unimaginative hacks under the thin pretence of homage/parody.
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what's insane is how people insist the setting is a biting political commentary that exposes their political foes as true evil... instead of a fun space opera
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What? How did you get all of that from that post? I like fun space opera and I dislike lazy worldbuilding that's just doing "hurr hurr historical thing but in space, epic bacon"
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>How did you get all of that from that post?
I changed the subject
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>historical thing but in space
That's been the bread and butter of the guard for most of their existence.
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No matter what
We have got
The Maxim gun
And they have not.
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Praetorians are so fun - a full model range produced on a whim from a one-off studio conversion. This sort of thing would never happen with modern GW.
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>hurr hurr historical thing but in space >implying this isn't what the guard was since 2e
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this isn't what the guard was since 2e
RT really, Imperial Army and Guard rules were originally there to let your friend use his historical miniatures to play 40k.
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such a disgusting paintjob
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That's an acceptable standard when you have to pump out 150 Guardsmen officers and maybe sargeants get effort put into them.
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I kinda miss the pre-shade painting style
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Miss? Slapchopslop is fricking everywhere and it’s awful.
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He's talking about time you dolt, he's referring to how people used to paint by layering colours and blacklining without the use of washes/shades.
Armageddon in the map is roughly Eastern Europe. Hades is Leningrad,acheron is Moscow, Tartarus is Stalingrad. The war starts in M41.941, like Operation Barbarossa starts in 1941. The Orks are described as invading with 3 tribes, and also late RT/early 2nd Orks had swastika decals and the original stormboyz. The Imperium side has Commissars and Space Marine reinforcements that play the role of the "Siberian Divisions" that save Moscow in December.
It all seems so obvious now, how the frick did I miss this?
I imagine putting the puzzle pieces together is difficult when you don't have the literal wargame map right in front of you? It would be more obvious if they gave the cities of Armageddon notSlavic names like Vostroya or Kislev.
I personally think they are leaning a bit into the (ww2 american uniform) aesthetic in the new sculpts for marketability purposes, which doesn't sit right with me even as a Burger myself.
Sources: >the new lip on the helmets being reminiscent of American ww2 helmets. >the Sargent gets access to a Not!Thompson SMG >Dorn tank is a Pershing tank with too many mg ports
and so on.
A lot of people think the new lasgun looks like a lasgarand too >the split stock >the gas cylinder barrel under the actual las barrel >the cutout in front of the rear sight post where the bolt and ejection ports would be >a little nub near the front of the bolt too
I'd guess a lot of it is also that much of the steel legion stuff is how they're a hodgepodge of conscripted hive ganger and underhive scum constantly hopped on stims. Much less appealing to the fascist mind than an army of fanatical aryan clone troopers.
The worst part is the people making the decently detailed STLs are all virtue signalling homosexuals so they changed the designs, as if seeing a fricking german para helmet is going to instantly transform any nearby wargamer into a Nazi. And GW will probably do the same the cowards.
I get the feeling the only people who've experienced this are actual skinheads who chose to play krieg and decided it wasn't the outfit or the regalia all over them that got them kicked out, but their army choice.
Yeah dude they just forgot about the tattoos on their face.
Krieg players are 100% stereotyped as wehraboos and no amount of gaslighting will change that.
Fixed the proportions but deviated too much from the previous iconic Cadian design aspects. The change of gear and weapon designs was just silly change for the sake of change design.
Should have been a proportional update like how the Rubric Marines got their update.
This is what should have happened when updating the Cadians.
Guard needs infantry 4 kits.
1. Tunic torsos and legs with either shoulder pad or epaulette arms and helmeted heads or peaked cap heads to make Cadians or Mordians
2. Mid coat torsos and legs with either shoulder pad or steam punk arms and either gas mask/helm heads or papakha cap heads to make steel legion or vostroyans
3. Great coat torsos with either shoulder pad arms or heavy coat arms and either gas mask and helmeted heads or ushanka hat heads to make krieg or valhallan
4. Catachan devil kill team from a box set where they’re going up against striking scorpion “predators”.
At that point just go for the third party resin guard webstores. They've got you covered.
I bought a ton of those as a young middle school guy. A blister at a time.
Kinda sad though, I liked them because they looked like the mobile infantry from Starship Troopers but if I'd gotten Valhallans or Mordians instead I could have made bank selling them on Ebay.
HEY JAMES IF YOU'RE IN THIS THREAD:
MAKE PLASTIC PLASTIC INFANTRY BOXES FOR THE DIFFERENT GUARD REGIMENTS AND THEY WILL BE POPULAR AGAIN IT'S THAT SIMPLE
GW/Hasbro are why normoids, bean-counters, and suits need to be kept away from games.
As gamers we like the idea of being able to pick between Cadians, Valhallans, Steel Legion, etc but if you have corporatebrain you're thinking that would actually be bad for sales because your different IG boxes would be competing against each other.
I think it's the same reason TOW isn't including vampire Counts in the original release. They want undead fans to buy the Tomb Kings instead.
>MAKE PLASTIC PLASTIC INFANTRY BOXES FOR THE DIFFERENT GUARD REGIMENTS
Reminder that the updated CSM release was back in 2019, and we're only now finally getting a Legion-specific upgrade sprue for it (and even that's been rolled into a Kill-Team release). Plastics for other regiments have to be way off down the release pipeline
This is not an upgrade sprue this is a specialist box for a different game entirely. You can tell because it specifically says KILL TEAM on the picture you knobhead.
>This is not an upgrade sprue this is a specialist box >You can tell because it specifically says KILL TEAM
It's the same shit as the Court of the Archon or the Tau Pathfinders
of all the space muhrines chpaters i think nightlords look cool with their bat helmets, and i tend to pick my armies based on the rule of cool like an idiot i am
Honestly one of my thoughts was why they didn't just make upgrade kits for the baseline guard kits for regiments. I've had some good luck with third party bits for conversions but i'd kill for some actual plastic.
Ideal guard appearance for me would be a mix halfway between Cadians and Catachans. A mix of generically armored troops with some foregoing it. Though I'd like the helmets that are worn to have the Kasrkin gas masks.
Alternatively, old style armored stormtroopers would be cool-ish as elite troops, and then the jumpsuit guys with berets wearing the old style guard helmets with integrated glasses as regulars would be awesome too.
If I was good at drawing I'd sketch a concept, that'll have to wait a few months though, till I'm as good as pewdiepie.
>Fall of Cadia says there 800 million Cadians on Cadia when it blew up. Only 2 million survived.
The Kasrkin Kill Team expansion says there were billions of Cadians in the wider galaxy when Cadia blew up.
How do these numbers make sense? The majority of Cadia's population was off it?
two things, firstly: Warhammer lore is inconsistent, and secondly: it is not uncommon that if a world is conquered or subdued and a population is needed to colonize it, that one or more imperial guard regiments that were party to the retaking of this world are given these colonizing rights. As Cadia is so good at exporting regiments, it would be fair to say that there are probably quite a few worlds that have been colonized by Cadian regiments. This is probably what is meant by off-world Cadians: not literally people born on Cadia but their descendants, who nevertheless consider themselves Cadian due to the planets proud military tradition.
Does the include Cadian descendants from other colonies? I know the Cadian system still has inhabited planets, it's just Cadia Prime was destroyed. So it could be including the population of the other planets in the Cadian system.
because Cadia had a reversed tithe. they produced so many soldiers that they kept 10% on the planet and 90% were fighting galaxy wide, for example at damocles gulf.
By far the worst change was to the helmet. It unironically lost all SOVL and for no reason. Literally why change the helmet shape except just to change it?
It's clearly meant to be an amalgam of all the previous "iconic" designs - vaguely evoking the past with an inferior but better advertised product is GW's entire business model these days.
The strangest thing to me is why do the Imperial Guard, who are outfitted with mass produced weapons, seem to have aesthetically random lasguns, whilst the all the Primaris kit looks absolutely identical and pristine. Shouldn't it be the other way round?
>seem to have aesthetically random lasguns
The box specifically calls them Cadian Shock Troops, and if they actually are surviving Cadians the intention might be to show them as military nomads using whatever lasgun they can get their hands on instead of a fresh issued one.
Buy the upgrade sprue if you want all your troops to have the Kantrael Pattern lasguns :^)
Also the other option is it's Guilliman using his excel spreadsheet powers to take out every lasgun from long term storage and issue then to newly raised guard regiments for the latest fire brigade action, leading to a hodgepodge of variant lasguns that all accept the same magazine/power cell.
>Murderhobo Cadians
Unlike the older plastic Cadian kit they come with backpacks and bed rolls, so presumably they sleep in a whatever random location they can find instead of the barracks of a Kasr during the 13th Black Crusade.
Different planets have different patterns of equipment, whereas SM stuff use the same basic patterns across the board.
Someone post that picture of the different patterns of lasguns by world.
The kneepads, head-covering cheek-warmer thing, and helmet redesign killed my desire to get this kit. Plus, the sheer confusion at the release 1 year after they put out the cadian upgrade sprue (then discontinue that kit forever). What the frick were they thinking?
Just fricking give me new Catachans. I know you can do it James because you've mocked me with every 'store anniversary' meme mini you've put out the past decade.
This person on twitter is slowly sculpting a vietcong guard army.
https://twitter.com/open_sketchbook/status/1764452770847789551?t=tfuYahEvxjDLH556xRjtCQ&s=19
Knight Soul Studio(you can find a printing service if you don't have one), you're welcome. Need a little GS work at the top of the shoulder once you glue them on IMO but otherwise probably better than whatever GW will shart out.
>Cadia gone >nothing of value was lost, perfect opportunity to make something else the posterboys of IG >make New Cadia >nothing of value was gained, Cadians get forced down our throats even more
1. Tunic torsos and legs with either shoulder pad or epaulette arms and helmeted heads or peaked cap heads to make Cadians or Mordians
2. Mid coat torsos and legs with either shoulder pad or steam punk arms and either gas mask/helm heads or papakha cap heads to make steel legion or vostroyans
3. Great coat torsos with either shoulder pad arms or heavy coat arms and either gas mask and helmeted heads or ushanka hat heads to make krieg or valhallan
4. Catachan devil kill team from a box set where they’re going up against striking scorpion “predators”.
>Shame they are so small
Perry 28mm is big compared to more realistically proportioned manufacturers -it's GW that can't decide what a human looks like in their universe
they took 20 years to get around to updating guard and gave other shops time to do it better. and now that people have options they don't want to go back, simple as that.
you do you, anon, the point of multipart / multipose kits with lots of alternative heads and arms is that you build them how you want to build them. which unfortunately is something GW forgot along the way too.
>the point of multipart / multipose kits with lots of alternative heads and arms is that you build them how you want to build them
Ah, so the complaining is from no-model secondaries
point being GW dropped the ball. they never kept up with catachans, they barely kept up with cadians. they never made any real effort to get valhallans, mordians, steel legion, kriegers, or any of the rest in to plastic. they never made an effort to open guard back up to encourage people to do donut steel regiments either. they squandered every opportunity the move to plastic minis promised where guard was concerned. and other people picked up the slack.
They can't enforce copyright on human soldiers as easily as with other factions.
The idea that someone somewhere might make a pittance off their customers sickens them on a spiritual level.
They forgot on purpose, because interchangable model parts invites that 2nd party parts that can be made to easily fit them as well. It's why GW is going full on monopose models now.
>It's why GW is going full on monopose models now.
They're probably doing an awful job fighting off third party companies making conversions that "happen" to be compatible with their models.
The new Cadians are still a bit compatible with some (not all to be honest) third party miniature bits.
Of course the new proportions to make converting them a little wonky, but for I have a soft spot for heroic scale so its no problem for me.
Bulldogs and Grognards from Wargames Atlantic look like Mordian Iron Guard and Kriegers right out of the box, and have 4-5 different head options. I don't even see a need to convert them, just buy the appropriate bases.
the british ones actually paint up really well as cadians, that painjob just doesnt do them any good tbh
They have much more conventional head options too but arent shown off
The whole point of nu40K is to appeal to the CoD-kiddie/airsoft/tacticool zoomgay audience, it's why we got all those even more than usually bad Primaris Military Manshooter waves, and why Cadians get stupid fricking kneepads.
idk I like tacticool stuff but I hate modern cadians and space marines
I don't play cod I guess so maybe that's why
I wish they just made oldmarines truscale
Other than the knee pads I don't see what's wrong with the models. You have both a young and an old person in Cadian uniform, with Imperial Guard gear. Bonus points for the cards on the helmet.
>FW tries to sell Elysians as the cool paratrooper regiment >Fluff consists entirely of them losing
I mean it's realistic but it makes it a hard sell as an army.
The infantry Elysians weren't the expensive part, it was all the flyers you had to buy too if you wanted a proper Elysian army and not just using them as another Guardsmen regiment like Mordians or Cadians.
The infantry Elysians weren't the expensive part, it was all the flyers you had to buy too if you wanted a proper Elysian army and not just using them as another Guardsmen regiment like Mordians or Cadians.
You basically had to take Vultures or anything with missiles or lascannons to deal with heavy armor, because initially all the HW's they could get were HB's, ML's and mortars. They were cool as frick though, I thought their mortars where blast (2) or something as well and in addition they had the underslung krak grenade launcher as an option and those demolition charges which were basically infantry 6 inch battle cannon shots. I think there was a list revolving around using veterans with krak-grenade launchers to hopefully delete squads of space marines and charge into them after.
I was a backline pog and was still given combat pants with pads for my deployments. It's literally just a pocket sown on the front with a pad that fits in. Costs very little over normal pants.
what's insane is how people insist the setting is a biting political commentary that exposes their political foes as true evil... instead of a fun space opera
It used to be like that, way back when. However, GW has since changed the tone and the setting takes itself seriously now.
Built in knee pads are the most dogshit part of the uniform. Getting it in there is fricking annoying and sand and other dirty shits get in and it's hard to clean
Kneepads are a bit pointless and pouldrons are double layer which is a bit odd, but other than that it seems solid
It's essential when you are moving into prone and have to do it 5 times in a minute
Can someone explain to an rpg//smg/gay why releasing guard models is so hard
Scale model companies come out with bunch of different models yearly, and they have to deal with multiple scales, lower prices and smaller companies. Yet they have no problem minting out all the different models. What's so difficult about james workshop buying some plastic injection machines, hiring some engineers, ordering a few molds in China and producing bunch of guard models. Don't tell me the money, they are very willing to blow it on things like streaming services
1. Even with the recent expansion, they still don't have the manufacturing capabilities to produce enough to satisfy demand so they have to strategically plan their releases around manufacturing schedules.
2. The GW product cycle is much more complicated and has way more steps than something like say Perry Minis. It takes like 3-5 years to get minis from approved designs sketches to the shelves.
3. GW products have to fit into a marketing plan now, no more randomly releasing sprues willy-nilly like 10 years ago. Now everything has to be about release waves and synergy.
Because they make everything in the Younited Kangdom and probably need 35 different types of loicenses to start another production line.
The chinese recasters are unironically more dynamic and proactive than GW. Once they figure out how to use pm their plastic it’s over.
Hi. I'm late to this thread. What's wrong with Cadians? Is it a meme or something I miss? They look pretty Cadians too me. Maybe the kneepads are odd. A black guy somewhat makes sense on 40K. An old guy too.
I'm not against black people existing in 40k but the actual minis should be ethnically ambiguous so that they can be painted however you like, which seems to be the case for most of them
I personally think they are leaning a bit into the (ww2 american uniform) aesthetic in the new sculpts for marketability purposes, which doesn't sit right with me even as a Burger myself.
Sources: >the new lip on the helmets being reminiscent of American ww2 helmets. >the Sargent gets access to a Not!Thompson SMG >Dorn tank is a Pershing tank with too many mg ports
and so on.
I don't mind WWII-style Imperial Guard (or [military history] IN SPAAACE in general) but doing it to Cadians feels wrong, they're essentially the generic baseline of the Imperial Guard and their existing mish-mash of Starship Troopers/Soviet Union/general WWII was perfect for that. Recognisably not modern soldiers, but with a slightly futuristic feel to the design of their armour and weapons that acts as the perfect aesthetic baseline for other regiments to lean harder into either the sci-fi or historical elements.
Turning them into 100% WWII GIs makes entirely historical-inspired Imperial Guard the baseline, which leaves the more sci-fi regiments looking out of place because there isn't a recognisable middle ground between the two any more.
This is ironically a retvrn to olde and sovl, to a time when Guard was played with historical miniatures in the GW studio. Does this means we can buy Warlord WW2 GI for a quarter of GW price and use them as proxy?
>What the FRICK went wrong?
For me is kneepads and microfaces into the helmets that mostly are bad sculpted.
The rest is ok. Cadians were always boring as base for converting.
Left looks more soulful
Only issue is scale creep, 40K is a 32mm wargame on an even smaller board now, looks ridiculous
It's not, it only seems to be a 32mm game because everyone owns marines in some form or another. But your bog standard human-sized mini still comes on 25mm with some exceptions on 28.5mm that are otherwise the same size.
And while I don't claim that there was never scale creep, it does seem like they're finally starting to settle into a set ratio regarding the size of infantry (vehicles sadly have never been in scale except for maybe the new primarinade stuff). Nu-cadians for example are still the same height as the previous cadians and therefore the same scale when compared to either chaos marines and primarines.
The smaller boards are shite though and luckily no one I play with insists on them.
marines are way bigger than they used to be and things like eldar are moving up to 28.5mm
Anon game scale refers to the height of a average (5’8” tall) human, base size has nothing to do with it. So at 28mm scale a 6’ tall human should be 29.65mm tall. And a 7.5’tall space marine should be 36.65mm tall.
That said I think space marine minis are more like 38-39mm so they are a bit big.
The amount of people that don't understand this and don't realize baseline humans are the same size they've been since the 90s is staggering.
I know.
That said I think some of the humans are taller than others. Like kasirkin. But special forces are always made of fricking huge guys.
I wish I had some IG models when I made this picture. I guesstimated with a tau.
>Like kasirkin
They are bigger, but they've always been bigger. The only ones that got bigger are SoB but they just made them the same size as Kasrkin and SoS.
Yeh SoB are too large for sure.
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The death guard minis are not the same size as any of the 2019 csm minis not primaris, they are some weird inbetween size. I Also have both. The new HH beakies are basically csm size but they are more truescale proportioned with tinier heads and hands. But you are right about the base, I actually mounted my beakies on 28.5mm base cause they look bad on 32mm.
Beakies are not very big. They are more sized like humans wearing fallout power armour. (keep in mind I picked the tallest beakie pose for this picture)
They stand a full head above my cadians, half a head above my kasrkin. That's tall enough for me.
Can’t argue with that. Tbh that ties guard model is the size I’d like, but i cannot seem to find a good collection of STLs for power armour marks.
I'm not sure that's a good comparison because I have the new beakies and the new DG/CSM and they are the exact same size. Even in your pic the beakie looks like he's on a way smaller base than the plague marine so measuring by pixels isn't gonna be accurate.
Does this help?
cool thanks anon
Why is the supposed space dwarf nearly as tall as a regular human?
Because he is an environmental adapted clone human, not a dwarf.
But the average human male is 6 feet tall, thoughever
>marines are way bigger than they used to be
Yeah because they used to be the same height as guardsman
are the new ones on the right? what the frick is wrong with his proportions?
The old one is on the right the new on the left.
then OP is a moron or a /misc/ baiting homosexual, since the only problem I see on the left one is that he's a Black person
but you can paint your figures whatever you want so not a big deal
I like old cadians thus I will be recasting them out of sprue goo
>old cadians
>plastic
newbie
because they look like knockoffs of the old grenadiers
Those aren't even cadians, they are arcadians from RT. Metal cadians were made for 2ed to replace them and then replaced again with the now previous plastic cadians in the second IG codex of 3ed.
yes
i know that
You’re right I’ve only been playing 40k for about 3 and a half years.
>pic
abbadon's personal renegade guard
They didn't take the opportunity to squat cadians. They've somehow always looked like bootlegs of guardsmen.
New ones better
Not solar aux.
>Edgar's abandoned cogfop trash
"No!"
>cogfop
Mindbroken child.
cadians are shitty starship troopers clones that don't fit the setting.
Nothing?
>dude gimp army lmao
What the FRICK is wrong with this boards taste Jesus fricking Christ
>gimp
How?
I think he's talking about the fatigues under the armor on Solar Auxilia? They're supposed to be able to operate in void space, so the the material can't be simple clothes but something sealed tight.
I’m talking about them looking like they’re wearing gimp suits
It was just a self reporting homosexual.
Anon google a gimp suit the only thing these guys are missing is a tactical wiener they literally look like armored gimp suits
If you don't like gimps you're in the wrong setting.
Black person
They don't look like that at all. You're moronic, but they still don't look good, either.
The new ones are better in every single way. Their only fault is that they aren't steel legion.
Steel Legion lost.
Cadia is destroyed
Yeah and?
Ironic pic, considering those are actually repainted Steel Legionnaires
yeah the caption points that out.
wtf ai is getting really good, is that stabledefusion?
Cadians have always been gay. There's nothing about them that screams 40K. They could be in any near future or sci-fi setting, really.
Krieg is in a weird position because normoids read them as Nazis even though they're obviously a mix of different WWI uniforms but leaning more French because of the cut of the coat, the crest on the helmet, and puttees. GW even painted the kill team with a blue trenchcoat.
I propose that Mordians would be the ideal default regiment of Imperial Guard. They look a bit impractical. They have that authoritarian look down pat.
>normoids read them as Nazis
I see this stated but I've never seen anyone actually hold this opinion. Most normalgay Kriegfan ideas of Krieg are shovel memes and jokes about them eagerly throwing themselves into death.
And like, there were instances of Krieg regiments at Vraks breaking and running so half of that isn't even accurate.
Ignore him, he's just some sigmarxist groomer trying to astroturf.
the word Krieg sounds German so people associated it with nazis
It doesn't just sound German, it is German. Krieg means War
>normoids read them as Nazis
I never got why. Other than the name being german they have nothing to do with them and they are very clearly WW1 inspired so still not related to nazis.
normonigs got their entire understanding of history from their high school history class - which they skived off from or ignored 90% of to stare at the back of the head of the girl they fancied - and some shitty documentaries they watched during college as the only person at a party left awake at 5am stoned and drunk out of their gourds.
>the name being german
is 100% enough to trigger "oh, so Nazis then" in normgroids.
Normal people cannot distinguish between WW1 and WW2 Germans in real life, they see the stahlhelm shape and they will do a Nazi salute, this happened everyday at a WW1 film I worked on.
Krieg is German, and they're usually painted black. That makes them the bad guys.
>I propose that Mordians would be the ideal default regiment of Imperial Guard. They look a bit impractical. They have that authoritarian look down pat.
Naaaah it's gotta be Vostroyans because they have that perfect 40k anachronism aesthetic going on
Not basic b***h enough
30k imperial army aesthetic
It's nice.
Those look good what are they made from?
There's a literal star of chaos on his hat.
It's the lightning bolts the Empeor used. Which makes sense considering he's supposed to be from the imperial army.
Okay, at closer inspection it kinda looks like the fulcrum. But it's still an 8 pointed star.
To be fair, that's what Horus used for some time before the heresy.
There were quite a few hidden 8-points in the Great Crusade-era's heraldry. It's like poetry, innit
That's an Eye of Horus, I think
He looted it off a dead heretic. If you complement him on his spiffy headgear he shoots you in the god damn face.
>wooden flamethrower
What could go wrong
It's fine.
1. Wood used for gun furnishing is treated and unlikely to catch fire.
2. Flamethrowers don't actually touch their own flames.
I would say a wooden cased lasgun would be more dangerous. Maybe they don't, but I would assume the battery gets pretty hot. At least with the flame thrower the heat is only at the end, where any other gun is building up heat around the barrel. Either way i don't think it'll burst into flames either way, nor would I care it's fricking 40k.
it's space wood
>2024
>implying the Russian-style faction will ever get minis again
Not gonna happen, unfortunately.
Please shut the frick up already.
Too slavic
>perfect 40k anachronism aesthetic
Nothing suits it better then German aesthetic of second half XIXth century
This is making the assumption that everybody ages Blanche’s art is the core aesthetic for 40k, so should dictate the appearance of a core part of the imperium. It also misses the point entirely of the vast, varied scope of the imperium.
>vast, varied scope
Literally when? Everyone is a Cadian or primaris marine in the Imperium.
Wish someone would have these scanned so I can print them.
God, I regret giving away my Vostroyan platoon set back in 2012 like you wouldn't believe.
vostroyans aged so incredibly well
I would totally have an army of these if I could find them for less than a fortune
Literally the only reason people associate kreig with nazies is because they're called "krieg" pop culture depiction of nazies very rarely look anything like kriegers
Gas, boys. Gas!
finally, some good fricking taste
>Krieg are mistaken for nazis
>Steel Legion are the ones actually inspired by fallsturmjaeger helmets and German mechanized infantry tactics from WWII
>German mechanized infantry tactics from WWII
The steel legion rides on horse carts?
Remember folks, the Germans never made use of any mechanized troops for specific breakthroughs EVER because they didn't have nearly as many as everybody else.
And GW would certainly NEVER make an entire guard culture wear the hat of one specific style of warfare or even an individual.
This lazerpig rimmyjobber is here to remind you.
And ironically they played the role of the Soviet Union in the Second War for Armageddon, which is just Operation Barbarossa in Space.
Also the reason is that nobody cares about Steel Legion now.
>which is just Operation Barbarossa in Space.
Elaborate?
Armageddon in the map is roughly Eastern Europe. Hades is Leningrad,acheron is Moscow, Tartarus is Stalingrad. The war starts in M41.941, like Operation Barbarossa starts in 1941. The Orks are described as invading with 3 tribes, and also late RT/early 2nd Orks had swastika decals and the original stormboyz. The Imperium side has Commissars and Space Marine reinforcements that play the role of the "Siberian Divisions" that save Moscow in December.
To add, Infernus is Kiev with the Palidus moutains and ash wastes bordering it standing in for the Priptet Marshes. Helsreach, meanwhile, is Sevastopol.
Insane how there's a seemingly inexhaustible font of all the instances of GW being horribly unimaginative hacks under the thin pretence of homage/parody.
what's insane is how people insist the setting is a biting political commentary that exposes their political foes as true evil... instead of a fun space opera
What? How did you get all of that from that post? I like fun space opera and I dislike lazy worldbuilding that's just doing "hurr hurr historical thing but in space, epic bacon"
>How did you get all of that from that post?
I changed the subject
>historical thing but in space
That's been the bread and butter of the guard for most of their existence.
No matter what
We have got
The Maxim gun
And they have not.
Praetorians are so fun - a full model range produced on a whim from a one-off studio conversion. This sort of thing would never happen with modern GW.
>hurr hurr historical thing but in space
>implying this isn't what the guard was since 2e
this isn't what the guard was since 2e
RT really, Imperial Army and Guard rules were originally there to let your friend use his historical miniatures to play 40k.
such a disgusting paintjob
That's an acceptable standard when you have to pump out 150 Guardsmen officers and maybe sargeants get effort put into them.
I kinda miss the pre-shade painting style
Miss? Slapchopslop is fricking everywhere and it’s awful.
He's talking about time you dolt, he's referring to how people used to paint by layering colours and blacklining without the use of washes/shades.
SOUL
That's always been the draw of 40k though.
It all seems so obvious now, how the frick did I miss this?
I imagine putting the puzzle pieces together is difficult when you don't have the literal wargame map right in front of you? It would be more obvious if they gave the cities of Armageddon notSlavic names like Vostroya or Kislev.
A lot of people think the new lasgun looks like a lasgarand too
>the split stock
>the gas cylinder barrel under the actual las barrel
>the cutout in front of the rear sight post where the bolt and ejection ports would be
>a little nub near the front of the bolt too
It's all the fault of Krieg using a german name. that's it.
I'd guess a lot of it is also that much of the steel legion stuff is how they're a hodgepodge of conscripted hive ganger and underhive scum constantly hopped on stims. Much less appealing to the fascist mind than an army of fanatical aryan clone troopers.
>conscripted hive ganger and underhive scum constantly hopped on stims
>much less appealing to the fascist mind
Erm.
wait the war for Armageddon was Dirlewanger winning operation Barbarossa AS the russians... bravo james
The russians are the orks tho
>conscripted hive ganger and underhive scum constantly hopped on stims
That's still Nazi Germany.
yeah
The worst part is the people making the decently detailed STLs are all virtue signalling homosexuals so they changed the designs, as if seeing a fricking german para helmet is going to instantly transform any nearby wargamer into a Nazi. And GW will probably do the same the cowards.
Their regimental symbol is also suspiciously similar to the British Union of Fascists' flag.
As we all know, fascists invented and own lightning.
I've thought the same thing before
He means sites like Victoria miniatures and anvil industries.
There are plenty more but those two have a lot of great options
are mistaken for nazis
I've never seen this.
Is it a twitter thing.
It's a bait thing on /tg/.
There might be a leftist somewhere making the claim by using the "not a communist" definition of Nazi.
I get the feeling the only people who've experienced this are actual skinheads who chose to play krieg and decided it wasn't the outfit or the regalia all over them that got them kicked out, but their army choice.
Yeah dude they just forgot about the tattoos on their face.
Krieg players are 100% stereotyped as wehraboos and no amount of gaslighting will change that.
Fixed the proportions but deviated too much from the previous iconic Cadian design aspects. The change of gear and weapon designs was just silly change for the sake of change design.
Should have been a proportional update like how the Rubric Marines got their update.
Rubrics and gene stealer cults were the last models we got with the soulful design philosophy. Now it's all just "dynamic" sculpts
This is what should have happened when updating the Cadians.
At that point just go for the third party resin guard webstores. They've got you covered.
>third party resin guard webstores
link?
Better question: why did they even bother releasing this?
To bait people into thinking the new kit would include bolters and sniper rifles.
to offload the old kits before they released the new ones
aren't those usable in Killteam?
DONT BE A RACIST
BUY OUR Black person HEADS
The head on the top right looks like he's using panties as a face mask
RETVRN.
I bought a ton of those as a young middle school guy. A blister at a time.
Kinda sad though, I liked them because they looked like the mobile infantry from Starship Troopers but if I'd gotten Valhallans or Mordians instead I could have made bank selling them on Ebay.
They sort of remind me of Zeon soldiers here
SIEG ZEON!
Legit surprised I haven't seen someone make a Zeon-inspired guard regiment or a Red Comet knight yet
Holy KINO
>nu41k
Don't care.
You cared enough to respond :^)
You have to go back
HEY JAMES IF YOU'RE IN THIS THREAD:
MAKE PLASTIC PLASTIC INFANTRY BOXES FOR THE DIFFERENT GUARD REGIMENTS AND THEY WILL BE POPULAR AGAIN IT'S THAT SIMPLE
GW/Hasbro are why normoids, bean-counters, and suits need to be kept away from games.
As gamers we like the idea of being able to pick between Cadians, Valhallans, Steel Legion, etc but if you have corporatebrain you're thinking that would actually be bad for sales because your different IG boxes would be competing against each other.
I think it's the same reason TOW isn't including vampire Counts in the original release. They want undead fans to buy the Tomb Kings instead.
>normoids
dude just stop fricking posting
They look fine to me. I do kind of agree with the people who don't like the kneepads, though.
They're crazy for having not made a Vostroyan kit yet.
>MAKE PLASTIC PLASTIC INFANTRY BOXES FOR THE DIFFERENT GUARD REGIMENTS
Reminder that the updated CSM release was back in 2019, and we're only now finally getting a Legion-specific upgrade sprue for it (and even that's been rolled into a Kill-Team release). Plastics for other regiments have to be way off down the release pipeline
This is not an upgrade sprue this is a specialist box for a different game entirely. You can tell because it specifically says KILL TEAM on the picture you knobhead.
Apologize right now.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/11/18/warhammer-championships-preview-night-lords-put-the-kill-in-kill-team/
I'm sorry. I'll do better next time.
>This is not an upgrade sprue this is a specialist box
>You can tell because it specifically says KILL TEAM
It's the same shit as the Court of the Archon or the Tau Pathfinders
> Court of the Archon
*Hand of the Archon
of all the space muhrines chpaters i think nightlords look cool with their bat helmets, and i tend to pick my armies based on the rule of cool like an idiot i am
"I'M FROM BUENOS AIRES AND I SAY BUY THEM ALL!"
Honestly one of my thoughts was why they didn't just make upgrade kits for the baseline guard kits for regiments. I've had some good luck with third party bits for conversions but i'd kill for some actual plastic.
Still holding out hope this is for a refreshed SL
SL?
Steel Legion
Nothing about that pic screams SL to me.
>It's a SL poser episode
here, you've got my attention!
That looks more orky to me. New tankbustas maybe
I would like a box of arkan confederates.
Ideal guard appearance for me would be a mix halfway between Cadians and Catachans. A mix of generically armored troops with some foregoing it. Though I'd like the helmets that are worn to have the Kasrkin gas masks.
Alternatively, old style armored stormtroopers would be cool-ish as elite troops, and then the jumpsuit guys with berets wearing the old style guard helmets with integrated glasses as regulars would be awesome too.
If I was good at drawing I'd sketch a concept, that'll have to wait a few months though, till I'm as good as pewdiepie.
>Fall of Cadia says there 800 million Cadians on Cadia when it blew up. Only 2 million survived.
The Kasrkin Kill Team expansion says there were billions of Cadians in the wider galaxy when Cadia blew up.
How do these numbers make sense? The majority of Cadia's population was off it?
Yes? Their primary export was fighting troops and 800 millions when cadia blew up could very well mean the others on the surface died before that.
two things, firstly: Warhammer lore is inconsistent, and secondly: it is not uncommon that if a world is conquered or subdued and a population is needed to colonize it, that one or more imperial guard regiments that were party to the retaking of this world are given these colonizing rights. As Cadia is so good at exporting regiments, it would be fair to say that there are probably quite a few worlds that have been colonized by Cadian regiments. This is probably what is meant by off-world Cadians: not literally people born on Cadia but their descendants, who nevertheless consider themselves Cadian due to the planets proud military tradition.
Does the include Cadian descendants from other colonies? I know the Cadian system still has inhabited planets, it's just Cadia Prime was destroyed. So it could be including the population of the other planets in the Cadian system.
Games Workshop may be the last employer in Britain who don't require a minimum grade C in GCSE maths
because Cadia had a reversed tithe. they produced so many soldiers that they kept 10% on the planet and 90% were fighting galaxy wide, for example at damocles gulf.
Cadians colonized multiple areas since their troops were always in high demand
>Old
Good
>New
Bad
>Old that's older than the old I'm used to
Extra bad
>New is a call back to extra Old rather than Old
Also extra bad
I just don't like the LasGarands or sewn-in kneepads
By far the worst change was to the helmet. It unironically lost all SOVL and for no reason. Literally why change the helmet shape except just to change it?
It's clearly meant to be an amalgam of all the previous "iconic" designs - vaguely evoking the past with an inferior but better advertised product is GW's entire business model these days.
The strangest thing to me is why do the Imperial Guard, who are outfitted with mass produced weapons, seem to have aesthetically random lasguns, whilst the all the Primaris kit looks absolutely identical and pristine. Shouldn't it be the other way round?
>seem to have aesthetically random lasguns
The box specifically calls them Cadian Shock Troops, and if they actually are surviving Cadians the intention might be to show them as military nomads using whatever lasgun they can get their hands on instead of a fresh issued one.
>everyone asks for a new basic guard box set
>they instead release a lore-specific specialist unit
GW does it again.
Buy the upgrade sprue if you want all your troops to have the Kantrael Pattern lasguns :^)
Also the other option is it's Guilliman using his excel spreadsheet powers to take out every lasgun from long term storage and issue then to newly raised guard regiments for the latest fire brigade action, leading to a hodgepodge of variant lasguns that all accept the same magazine/power cell.
>Murderhobo Cadians
Unlike the older plastic Cadian kit they come with backpacks and bed rolls, so presumably they sleep in a whatever random location they can find instead of the barracks of a Kasr during the 13th Black Crusade.
Different planets have different patterns of equipment, whereas SM stuff use the same basic patterns across the board.
Someone post that picture of the different patterns of lasguns by world.
Imperial guard are supplied by local forgeworlds while production of space marine equipment is more centralized as less needs to be produced
They look like NATO peacekeepers that get sent to a 3rd world country and all they do is rape the local women and avoid fighting anybody directly.
The lasguns and kneepads I'm okay with, but the helmet straps I really dislike.
The kneepads, head-covering cheek-warmer thing, and helmet redesign killed my desire to get this kit. Plus, the sheer confusion at the release 1 year after they put out the cadian upgrade sprue (then discontinue that kit forever). What the frick were they thinking?
Just fricking give me new Catachans. I know you can do it James because you've mocked me with every 'store anniversary' meme mini you've put out the past decade.
Catas will be joining Warp Spiders in the 30 year old models club.
Maybe after Krieg, allegedly.
Why Krieg when best girl Mordian is right there frick sake
My guess is Mordian collectors simply didn't whale as hard as the krieg addicts
> We get new Catachans
> They are all space Vietcong
Those already exist lol
source?
This person on twitter is slowly sculpting a vietcong guard army.
https://twitter.com/open_sketchbook/status/1764452770847789551?t=tfuYahEvxjDLH556xRjtCQ&s=19
Knight Soul Studio(you can find a printing service if you don't have one), you're welcome. Need a little GS work at the top of the shoulder once you glue them on IMO but otherwise probably better than whatever GW will shart out.
Whoever decided knee pads were a good idea is a legit moron. Lmaoing at 80% of new GW sculpts. Overdesigned trash.
the kneepads are kinda moronic but otherwise I like them much better than the old cadians, I always hated their weird toddler proportions
>Cadia gone
>PERFECT opportunity to bring IG back to it's full glory
>Here's more Cadians bro
>Oh and a Krieg Killteam.
>Cadia gone
>nothing of value was lost, perfect opportunity to make something else the posterboys of IG
>make New Cadia
>nothing of value was gained, Cadians get forced down our throats even more
have a gift
Way to miss the point
Well I laughed.
Guard needs infantry 4 kits.
1. Tunic torsos and legs with either shoulder pad or epaulette arms and helmeted heads or peaked cap heads to make Cadians or Mordians
2. Mid coat torsos and legs with either shoulder pad or steam punk arms and either gas mask/helm heads or papakha cap heads to make steel legion or vostroyans
3. Great coat torsos with either shoulder pad arms or heavy coat arms and either gas mask and helmeted heads or ushanka hat heads to make krieg or valhallan
4. Catachan devil kill team from a box set where they’re going up against striking scorpion “predators”.
>mfw knowing this will never happen in the current age of monopose primaris
Come home kitbash man
Shame they are so small, tho they look good next to SM scale wise
>Shame they are so small
Perry 28mm is big compared to more realistically proportioned manufacturers -it's GW that can't decide what a human looks like in their universe
they took 20 years to get around to updating guard and gave other shops time to do it better. and now that people have options they don't want to go back, simple as that.
4th guy looks cool, the rest are absolutely horrible
you do you, anon, the point of multipart / multipose kits with lots of alternative heads and arms is that you build them how you want to build them. which unfortunately is something GW forgot along the way too.
>the point of multipart / multipose kits with lots of alternative heads and arms is that you build them how you want to build them
Ah, so the complaining is from no-model secondaries
point being GW dropped the ball. they never kept up with catachans, they barely kept up with cadians. they never made any real effort to get valhallans, mordians, steel legion, kriegers, or any of the rest in to plastic. they never made an effort to open guard back up to encourage people to do donut steel regiments either. they squandered every opportunity the move to plastic minis promised where guard was concerned. and other people picked up the slack.
They can't enforce copyright on human soldiers as easily as with other factions.
The idea that someone somewhere might make a pittance off their customers sickens them on a spiritual level.
They forgot on purpose, because interchangable model parts invites that 2nd party parts that can be made to easily fit them as well. It's why GW is going full on monopose models now.
>It's why GW is going full on monopose models now.
They're probably doing an awful job fighting off third party companies making conversions that "happen" to be compatible with their models.
The new Cadians are still a bit compatible with some (not all to be honest) third party miniature bits.
Of course the new proportions to make converting them a little wonky, but for I have a soft spot for heroic scale so its no problem for me.
Bulldogs and Grognards from Wargames Atlantic look like Mordian Iron Guard and Kriegers right out of the box, and have 4-5 different head options. I don't even see a need to convert them, just buy the appropriate bases.
Unironically really easy and fun to work with for such a good price
the british ones actually paint up really well as cadians, that painjob just doesnt do them any good tbh
They have much more conventional head options too but arent shown off
My only gripe is the kneepads.
Who the frick approved those
The whole point of nu40K is to appeal to the CoD-kiddie/airsoft/tacticool zoomgay audience, it's why we got all those even more than usually bad Primaris Military Manshooter waves, and why Cadians get stupid fricking kneepads.
They probably expect half the IG sets they sell to be painted in black and dark grey for extra operator
idk I like tacticool stuff but I hate modern cadians and space marines
I don't play cod I guess so maybe that's why
I wish they just made oldmarines truscale
CSM killing power knee pads
Too many third party bits fit the old ones and GW needed to put a stop to that.
Same with primaris.
Other than the knee pads I don't see what's wrong with the models. You have both a young and an old person in Cadian uniform, with Imperial Guard gear. Bonus points for the cards on the helmet.
The GW which made Rogue Trader, and got everyone to love 40k, is dead. All that's left is Larry Fink's trashcow.
ITT: a bunch of cherry frickin legs.
>FW tries to sell Elysians as the cool paratrooper regiment
>Fluff consists entirely of them losing
I mean it's realistic but it makes it a hard sell as an army.
Winning is for homosexuals. Space marines win all the time and just look at the state of them.
The main problem of the Elysians was always that they were prohibitorily expensive and resin only.
The infantry Elysians weren't the expensive part, it was all the flyers you had to buy too if you wanted a proper Elysian army and not just using them as another Guardsmen regiment like Mordians or Cadians.
You basically had to take Vultures or anything with missiles or lascannons to deal with heavy armor, because initially all the HW's they could get were HB's, ML's and mortars. They were cool as frick though, I thought their mortars where blast (2) or something as well and in addition they had the underslung krak grenade launcher as an option and those demolition charges which were basically infantry 6 inch battle cannon shots. I think there was a list revolving around using veterans with krak-grenade launchers to hopefully delete squads of space marines and charge into them after.
>paratrooper
consists entirely of them losing
Seems accurate
>anything GW in TYOOL 2020+4
ngmi
Kneepads are a bit pointless and pouldrons are double layer which is a bit odd, but other than that it seems solid
Tradesmen and ex mil here knee pads are essential to not frick yourself up when navigating urban and mountainous terrain especially in combat.
the kneepads would look okay if they were bigger and looked like they were being held in place with some sort of strap
Too fancy and ergonomic for the likes of the guard. It should be strapped on if there at all.
I was a backline pog and was still given combat pants with pads for my deployments. It's literally just a pocket sown on the front with a pad that fits in. Costs very little over normal pants.
It used to be like that, way back when. However, GW has since changed the tone and the setting takes itself seriously now.
Yeah, back in 2nd edition it really had a 2000ad “this is totally fricked up, but totally rad at the same time” vibe to it.
Now it’s more like a jocko willink video.
>Too fancy for the guard
Excuse me?
SOUL
>makes one squad worth of new guard models
>refuses to elaborate
>leaves
what did GW mean by this?
Built in knee pads are great and exist IRL.
The shoulder pads are two parts to provide articulation, like football shoulder pads.
Problem is that knee-pads look fricking gay.
You only need knee pads if you suck a lot of dick, perfect for the US military.
I got you bro.
Whoops, I accidentally posted Russian dedovshchina instead. How embarrassing.
Built in knee pads are the most dogshit part of the uniform. Getting it in there is fricking annoying and sand and other dirty shits get in and it's hard to clean
It's essential when you are moving into prone and have to do it 5 times in a minute
Can someone explain to an rpg//smg/gay why releasing guard models is so hard
Scale model companies come out with bunch of different models yearly, and they have to deal with multiple scales, lower prices and smaller companies. Yet they have no problem minting out all the different models. What's so difficult about james workshop buying some plastic injection machines, hiring some engineers, ordering a few molds in China and producing bunch of guard models. Don't tell me the money, they are very willing to blow it on things like streaming services
1. Even with the recent expansion, they still don't have the manufacturing capabilities to produce enough to satisfy demand so they have to strategically plan their releases around manufacturing schedules.
2. The GW product cycle is much more complicated and has way more steps than something like say Perry Minis. It takes like 3-5 years to get minis from approved designs sketches to the shelves.
3. GW products have to fit into a marketing plan now, no more randomly releasing sprues willy-nilly like 10 years ago. Now everything has to be about release waves and synergy.
Or, in brief
>GW hired a load of business studies graduates who are now working furiously to justify their paycheques
Because they make everything in the Younited Kangdom and probably need 35 different types of loicenses to start another production line.
The chinese recasters are unironically more dynamic and proactive than GW. Once they figure out how to use pm their plastic it’s over.
Updated Catachans have already been made
Better than anything GW will do.
I wish that more good 3d models get to the plastic multipart sprue phase.
Hi. I'm late to this thread. What's wrong with Cadians? Is it a meme or something I miss? They look pretty Cadians too me. Maybe the kneepads are odd. A black guy somewhat makes sense on 40K. An old guy too.
old = good
new = bad
Cadia has fallen
Trillions must die
I'm not against black people existing in 40k but the actual minis should be ethnically ambiguous so that they can be painted however you like, which seems to be the case for most of them
At that scale you can paint it white and no one will notice its 'black' features. You can even paint black the old man and no one will notice either.
GW faces are made up of 3 blobs, there are no racial features on them
I quite like the new Cadian Shock Troopers
Not enough to spend $84 for a pack of ten of them however.
I personally think they are leaning a bit into the (ww2 american uniform) aesthetic in the new sculpts for marketability purposes, which doesn't sit right with me even as a Burger myself.
Sources:
>the new lip on the helmets being reminiscent of American ww2 helmets.
>the Sargent gets access to a Not!Thompson SMG
>Dorn tank is a Pershing tank with too many mg ports
and so on.
I don't mind WWII-style Imperial Guard (or [military history] IN SPAAACE in general) but doing it to Cadians feels wrong, they're essentially the generic baseline of the Imperial Guard and their existing mish-mash of Starship Troopers/Soviet Union/general WWII was perfect for that. Recognisably not modern soldiers, but with a slightly futuristic feel to the design of their armour and weapons that acts as the perfect aesthetic baseline for other regiments to lean harder into either the sci-fi or historical elements.
Turning them into 100% WWII GIs makes entirely historical-inspired Imperial Guard the baseline, which leaves the more sci-fi regiments looking out of place because there isn't a recognisable middle ground between the two any more.
This is ironically a retvrn to olde and sovl, to a time when Guard was played with historical miniatures in the GW studio. Does this means we can buy Warlord WW2 GI for a quarter of GW price and use them as proxy?
I miss these lads
perry sculpts I assume, quality and soul just stands out from other GW slop
I really liked these guys when I saw them painted up in greys and blues for Cityfight. But I always thought the fat sergeant was dumb.
>But I always thought the fat sergeant was dumb.
Maybe it was a reference to Paul Sawyer, AkA The Fat Bloke
he's a lt. and hes pretty much the mini version of Stormin' Norman Schwarzkopf.
Have this mini, wish officers could still get shotguns :,(
>sergeant is dumb
So lore accurate
needs more bayonets
they look pretty fricking similar, hard too see how people could genuinely take issue with them while liking the old ones
>What the FRICK went wrong?
For me is kneepads and microfaces into the helmets that mostly are bad sculpted.
The rest is ok. Cadians were always boring as base for converting.
I like the new models I just hate assembling then. The Cadians on the right were much easier and more enjoyable to assemble and paint.
>sees clothing that prevents damage to knees in a variety of situations
>Immediately thinks of GAY SEX
Bros I think we got a closet case here
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