This, it feels like game has barely any side content besides stuff on Nar Shaddaa. The planets feel lifeless (durr that's the point, it's almost the end of the galaxy, i love not being able to interact with npcs or do something on a planet besides mindlessly following the main story)
I think they understood it but they didn't want to make that type of game. If you cannot refute this, please stop posting in this thread because the discussion will not be productive.
It looks like KotOR 2 questions SW, but it is just Avellone failing to understand, what the Force is in SW universe, and just applying generic "what if god is bad" logics.
KOTOR 2 improves on KOTOR 1 in almost every respect, especially with TSLRCM.
The writing is better, the gameplay is better, the graphics are better, and so on. The only thing that is arguably worse is the tone, and that's purely subjective.
And the bugs, but that's the fault of Obsidian rushing to release by December
Imagine discussing literature like this. "The writing is better." What a fricking worthless thing to say. You should have a nice day. I'm sick of you and all the people like you.
I prefer Obsidian's writing, but saying "the writing is better" like it means anything is fricking moronic. If someone were to prefer the writing in the first game, would they just be misinterpreting their own experiences somehow? If the second game has "better" writing then everyone should agree that it's more enjoyable.
Nah KOTOR is just better because it feels more like you are really exploring the different planets and can do stuff not directly tied to the main story. The planets also were more diverse and different.
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You just said his second point
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>content is childishness
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Tatooine is like ten rooms and there's almost nothing interesting in any of them.
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nar shadda has a bunch of side quests not sure what you are on about.
>If someone were to prefer the writing in the first game, would they just be misinterpreting their own experiences somehow?
Yes. >If the second game "better" writing then everyone should agree that it's more enjoyable.
Does everyone agree that Paradise Lost is more enjoyable than Predator?
>Posting a painted skybox as an example of good graphics
Also, KOTOR just has brighter colors. Again, it's an example of the first game being childish and the second being gloomy.
What? Its the three parts of a human body >Sion: The Body itself >Nihilus: The Soul >Kreia: The Mind
Its also Revan but divided into three parts. Sion is Revan’s strength as a warrior, Nihilus is his force powers (plus also looks similar to him, intentionally so) and Kreia is Revan’s wit. She taught him after all
>replay kotor 1 for the first time in a decade >suddenly realize that for some reason kotor 2 didn't let enemies use shields, grenades, feats and I swear they lower the rates of crits
This game is actually hard at the beginning and on dantooine. You have to kite everything and that's without holding levels. >but it's easy
No, it isn't. Arena was only possible by spamming shields from the inventory so they didn't take a turn while save scumming grenades. You run out of FP in like two casts too so everyone saying spam storm was a fricking liar. People played this shit on easy and then proceeded to tell everyone how easy it is. Kotor 2 is easy outside of like 3 meme battles.
Well I just played KOTOR for the first time and thought it was mediocre. You can really feel its age and that it was praised for so long because it was the only Star Wars game to explore the universe so much, so people overlooked a lot of mediocrity. I've considered giving KOTOR 2 a try because people seem to think it's so different from 1, but I'm not convinced it really is.
I still can't believe how bad the dark side ending is in this game. It was clearly written for light side and Kreia's actions make no sense if you aren't.
This
I got gifted 2 without having played 1, it had machine translation and I didn't understand shit
Then I played 1 knowing the twist from a game journal, and it wasn't as good as 2
Then I replayed 2 a dozen more times and have no desire to replay 1
KOTOR 1 is significantly shorter and that is to its benefit, the game becomes laughably easy near the end, but by then you just get to enjoy romping through the enemies and then a final boss.
KOTOR 2 is bloated, the dreary tone and cut content make the whole thing a major slog and mechanically it's just more of what KOTOR 1 did, but now with higher numbers and a dumb crafting system.
KOTOR 1 is massively overrated.
Most characters are generic fantasy archetypes, Bastilla is a Mary Sue that gets sucked off by literally everyone else, and Revan is only cool in the backstory, but in the game proper you hardly see what made him so legendary.
You illiterate homies need to pick up an actual book one of these days. 99% of video game writing is dogshit
KOTOR2 is equivalent to like a semi-professional novel. It incorporates basic philosophy but apparently this is enough to WOW the entire industry
>99% of video game writing is dogshit
This is an open secret, but RPGgays don't like to talk about it. KOTOR 2's writing is elementary compared to a novel, but it still mogs most other video games.
I read a lot and enjoyed both KOTOR 1 and 2. What makes KOTOR 2 engaging is its more physically engaging and digestible than going through a philosophy book since it’s an active dialogue the observer gets to participate in. Both are good games. K1 felt like an adventure and K2 felt like journey.
The only thing I really disliked about 2 was getting cucked out of getting to explore Korriban again when it was one of the coolest planets in the first game. >”Oh but we also brought back Dantooine. You know, the really shitty and boring one!”
>Don't give a shit about Star Wars >Play KOTOR 1 >Becomes one of the most memorable experiences I've had with video games >Play KOTOR 2 >Don't remember a single fricking thing about it
My experience was the complete opposite. I played KOTOR 2 several times but only ever played KOTOR 1 once and while I can remember most of the plot of KOTOR 2, the only thing I remember from KOTOR 1 was that questline about that race which was divided into primitives and ultra-futuristic.
When I was a kid I played through that shit at least 50 times trying to find everything out. Sadly no internet back then so I couldn't check for the fact the game was not finished.
Best RPG ever in terms of morality. It really makes you think
>Cant pass the Rankor in the sewers >a year passes >my English gets better >come back to Rankor and find out I need to place a bomb by actually being able to read the datapad info
The characters? The world building? The EU tie in? The gameplay is also improvement considering you literally are a Jedi at the beginning
>Worldbuilding
Read a fricking book, loser.
You just proved my point even more. Kotor 2 feels like an EU story with how it feels like its part of a bigger universe. Get fricked lmao
game was good, until you get to the unfinished parts
More like Bioware didn’t understand SW with the first KOTOR.
This, it feels like game has barely any side content besides stuff on Nar Shaddaa. The planets feel lifeless (durr that's the point, it's almost the end of the galaxy, i love not being able to interact with npcs or do something on a planet besides mindlessly following the main story)
I think they understood it but they didn't want to make that type of game. If you cannot refute this, please stop posting in this thread because the discussion will not be productive.
kotor2 is a pretty good game for something made in 6 months
The writing is just Chris Avellone pissing on Star Wars and George Lucas
It doesn't piss on it but questions it. That's why it's interesting
It looks like KotOR 2 questions SW, but it is just Avellone failing to understand, what the Force is in SW universe, and just applying generic "what if god is bad" logics.
I don't even know who Chris Avelone is.
You don't even know who your dad is
That's a naughty thing to say
Holy smokes. How did we go from Fallout 2 to this shit?!!
KOTOR 2 improves on KOTOR 1 in almost every respect, especially with TSLRCM.
The writing is better, the gameplay is better, the graphics are better, and so on. The only thing that is arguably worse is the tone, and that's purely subjective.
And the bugs, but that's the fault of Obsidian rushing to release by December
Imagine discussing literature like this. "The writing is better." What a fricking worthless thing to say. You should have a nice day. I'm sick of you and all the people like you.
>Biodrone seething
I prefer Obsidian's writing, but saying "the writing is better" like it means anything is fricking moronic. If someone were to prefer the writing in the first game, would they just be misinterpreting their own experiences somehow? If the second game has "better" writing then everyone should agree that it's more enjoyable.
People prefer KOTOR to KOTOR 2 for one of two reasons:
>KOTOR 2 was an unfinished mess at release
>They prefer KOTOR's childishness to KOTOR 2's gloom
Nah KOTOR is just better because it feels more like you are really exploring the different planets and can do stuff not directly tied to the main story. The planets also were more diverse and different.
You just said his second point
>content is childishness
Tatooine is like ten rooms and there's almost nothing interesting in any of them.
nar shadda has a bunch of side quests not sure what you are on about.
>If someone were to prefer the writing in the first game, would they just be misinterpreting their own experiences somehow?
Yes.
>If the second game "better" writing then everyone should agree that it's more enjoyable.
Does everyone agree that Paradise Lost is more enjoyable than Predator?
Only homosexuals do.
no one cares, get a tissue if you're sick homosexual
The writing is better, KOTOR 1 is more of your hollywood movie type story, KOTOR 2 is a lot more subtle and philosophical in its themes/dialogues.
Well for starters, HK-47 is a lot cooler in kotor 2. In kotor 1 he sounds bored or something
KOTOR 2 looks like shit. Every single location in KOTOR 1 looks infinitely better than the ugly, barren, soulless asset flip of KOTOR 2.
>Posting a painted skybox as an example of good graphics
Also, KOTOR just has brighter colors. Again, it's an example of the first game being childish and the second being gloomy.
>Obsidian didn't understand what made the first KOTOR good.
which is what? a complete rehash of the OT?
>KOTOR
>Good
(You)
Both Kotors are good but I prefer the second.
whack b8 m8
>All the bad guys in kotor2 are literal manifestations of bad game design
And there are people who don't think this is kino
Nonsense.
that's not a motor problem, that's just post-empire star wars in a nutshell
how exactly
What? Its the three parts of a human body
>Sion: The Body itself
>Nihilus: The Soul
>Kreia: The Mind
Its also Revan but divided into three parts. Sion is Revan’s strength as a warrior, Nihilus is his force powers (plus also looks similar to him, intentionally so) and Kreia is Revan’s wit. She taught him after all
Everyone always shills kotor 2, should I actually play it?
Yes. Peragus alone is kino, though Telos is probably the worst part of the game.
Most people I see shit on Paragus, and praise Telos. Odd to see it the other way around.
I do this Paragus is more interesting than Telos too, but I don't think Telos is that bad.
It's one of the best Star Wars media ever made. On pair with the Darth Bane trilogy and the New Jedi Order novels
>replay kotor 1 for the first time in a decade
>suddenly realize that for some reason kotor 2 didn't let enemies use shields, grenades, feats and I swear they lower the rates of crits
This game is actually hard at the beginning and on dantooine. You have to kite everything and that's without holding levels.
>but it's easy
No, it isn't. Arena was only possible by spamming shields from the inventory so they didn't take a turn while save scumming grenades. You run out of FP in like two casts too so everyone saying spam storm was a fricking liar. People played this shit on easy and then proceeded to tell everyone how easy it is. Kotor 2 is easy outside of like 3 meme battles.
The arena is easy unless you're saving Jedi levels. 2's AI is probably bugged though.
>Game is hard
Duel Blaster Pistols go rhythmically pewpew
I wish Kotor went full Tales of the Jedi and not a gay compromise between old EU and prequels
What made it good? Shit writing for morons?
to be fair neither did most of the playerbase
and between obsidian and the players only one group has actually made a good kotor game
Well I just played KOTOR for the first time and thought it was mediocre. You can really feel its age and that it was praised for so long because it was the only Star Wars game to explore the universe so much, so people overlooked a lot of mediocrity. I've considered giving KOTOR 2 a try because people seem to think it's so different from 1, but I'm not convinced it really is.
Man I wish these games had fun gameplay. Kotor 2 has pretty much everything I want from a star wars rpg except it just feels like shit to play.
I still can't believe how bad the dark side ending is in this game. It was clearly written for light side and Kreia's actions make no sense if you aren't.
I don't think any Dark Side ending for any Star Wars game makes sense. It's only fun
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KOTOR1 Dark Side ending is literally perfect
Atris was originally supposed to potentially become Darth Traya and in turn the final boss, which might explain that
The DS ending is fine as long as you aren't a complete psycho.
Sexo
Disney would never
My motives are complex.
It's really not. She's just training you to fight the Sith. The same Sith Revan went after
Reductionist at best.
In KOTOR 2:
-you browse the galaxy for nothing
-you are forced to battle jedi bosses alone, that's so stupid
So why did they make even better game then?
Do you think Kreia breaks the 4th wall intentionally?
Does Kreia know she's in a video game?
That would be gay
Lucky us, because KOTOR2 was still better even with cut content and rushed development
kotor was good because it was a very bioware game.
I preferred 2 to 1 because I played 2 before 1.
This
I got gifted 2 without having played 1, it had machine translation and I didn't understand shit
Then I played 1 knowing the twist from a game journal, and it wasn't as good as 2
Then I replayed 2 a dozen more times and have no desire to replay 1
>what made the first KOTOR good
The Morrowind-esque combat
KOTOR 1 is significantly shorter and that is to its benefit, the game becomes laughably easy near the end, but by then you just get to enjoy romping through the enemies and then a final boss.
KOTOR 2 is bloated, the dreary tone and cut content make the whole thing a major slog and mechanically it's just more of what KOTOR 1 did, but now with higher numbers and a dumb crafting system.
KOTOR 1 is massively overrated.
Most characters are generic fantasy archetypes, Bastilla is a Mary Sue that gets sucked off by literally everyone else, and Revan is only cool in the backstory, but in the game proper you hardly see what made him so legendary.
Kotor 1 - ludo
Kotor 2 - kino
You illiterate homies need to pick up an actual book one of these days. 99% of video game writing is dogshit
KOTOR2 is equivalent to like a semi-professional novel. It incorporates basic philosophy but apparently this is enough to WOW the entire industry
>99% of video game writing is dogshit
This is an open secret, but RPGgays don't like to talk about it. KOTOR 2's writing is elementary compared to a novel, but it still mogs most other video games.
I read a lot and enjoyed both KOTOR 1 and 2. What makes KOTOR 2 engaging is its more physically engaging and digestible than going through a philosophy book since it’s an active dialogue the observer gets to participate in. Both are good games. K1 felt like an adventure and K2 felt like journey.
The only thing I really disliked about 2 was getting cucked out of getting to explore Korriban again when it was one of the coolest planets in the first game.
>”Oh but we also brought back Dantooine. You know, the really shitty and boring one!”
>Don't give a shit about Star Wars
>Play KOTOR 1
>Becomes one of the most memorable experiences I've had with video games
>Play KOTOR 2
>Don't remember a single fricking thing about it
That's probably why.
A lot of people who like KotOR2 consume a lot of Star Wars content. It stands out from the rest of them even to this day.
KotOR1 is just Episode IV: A New Hope-lite.
Don't know if that's it but i played KOTOR because i really liked Jedi Outcast and Academy.
My experience was the complete opposite. I played KOTOR 2 several times but only ever played KOTOR 1 once and while I can remember most of the plot of KOTOR 2, the only thing I remember from KOTOR 1 was that questline about that race which was divided into primitives and ultra-futuristic.
When I was a kid I played through that shit at least 50 times trying to find everything out. Sadly no internet back then so I couldn't check for the fact the game was not finished.
Best RPG ever in terms of morality. It really makes you think
Also my first case of leveling up in life.
>Cant pass the Rankor in the sewers
>a year passes
>my English gets better
>come back to Rankor and find out I need to place a bomb by actually being able to read the datapad info
felt good
>first KOTOR
>good
Shit gameplay + boring classic SW story?
lmao
kotor 2 is better than most novels too THOUGH
I think both are pretty gay and boring.
Finish developing the game before releasing it?