>of course I've been marketing my indie game, why do you ask?
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this is why you should never ever listen to twitter shitters.
where is this data coming from
it's stock photo image that someone put in his clickbait video
the guy that made the video is a marketing consultant for video game companies, so i'd assume the data's from his customers.
from someones butthole.
from my butthole
from this anon's
butthole
>asking a question that you know no one in the thread will have an answer to, thus making it deep and intelligent sounding
if you don't know the source of the data, why are you discussing it
I hate Tiktok so much it's unreal
Fake or not, the demo festivals 100% helped me find some underrated gems
wheres 4cuck
Unironically behind twitter
We're irrelevant which is why the schizos are moronic. There is literally zero reason to shill here. Ganker is not an ebin battleground for the future of vidya like people want to believe.
explain minecrap and undertale
>minecrap
+10 years ago pre-GG
>undertale
already had the homestuck audience which was insanely massive at the time
Pre or Post GG?
snoot game, laylay coffin, undertale, minecraft, slay the princess, lisa
>unprompted crying about GG
Anon this might be hard but can you put your thinking hat on and try to figure out why it might be harder for a game associated with Ganker to get traction after GG?
Anon, this might be hard but can you put your thinking hat on and try to figure out why it might be harder for anyone to associate with you when you start crying about your years old boogeyman out of absolutely nowhere?
>Couldn't figure it out
10 years ago nobody gave a shit about being on Ganker.
There. That was the answer newbie.
>n-no you are supposed to play along with me and the mental breakdown I'm experiencing n-newbie!!!
No. Keep crying about evil gamers inside your walls.
>GG
>Undertale was popular because of homestuck and not Ganker
Indie outliers from a decade ago. morons today think that AAA games are "shilled" here.
I don't think a single Ubisoft thread is organic
zoomers grew up
i can literally name 5 games that became popular because they were shilled here
but compare that the gazillion other games that didnt
so name them
Agar.io and Minecraft is all I can think of.
I believe genuine shilling here exists, but only as part of a wider campaign. I don't think anything is trying to astroturf solely on Ganker.
I don't know anon, I get pretty decent responses from people when I share my writing on /trash/. Surprisingly a much better place to do so than Ganker
there are a subset of people here who are into weird or smaller games, myself included. shilling here doesn't guarantee a sale but it does guarantee eyes on your product, a potential wishlist, and word of mouth. its not like anyone ever gets banned for shilling here anyways.
but my dox is on my game
>its not like anyone ever gets banned for shilling here anyways
that's because you only get banned if you admit it's YOUR game. like that gay in the weg threads that posted that shitty futa game who was always "teehee no ofc I'm not the dev xD" when he obviously was
he got banned?
thank christ
I actually have no issue with someone who already posts here (especially in the dev threads) shilling their game a little if its some weird smaller game
maybe just because I enjoy these smaller games that try to be new and innovative and have a unified vision im okay with it and that is probably not the case with everyone
but I have definitely found great smaller indie games on here that I loved
and this is the only place that when I see some weird new small title on steam that seems good I can go to and find a thread about it on the day it came out with people wondering the same thing as me and others talking about it who took a chance, there is just basically no where else where people talk about games like this.
>We're irrelevant
>Literally the best-selling game in History was created and shilled here, in fricking Ganker
over 10 years ago
I genuinely find it hilarious how desperately gays here cling to Minecraft as if they had anything to do with it.
Low Tax was salty as frick at Notch for not giving him any money after shilling it on Something Awful too. Anywhere you go if there is a successful person all the losers will try to cling onto them.
bro yogscast did 1000000x more for minecraft than this place ever did
>im so smart
>not like the conspiracy theorists
It's not, but it still is a notorious internet community and shilling here isn't hard or even expensive to do.
There are some games whose threads were just too blatantly made by marketers; I doubt Ganker was interested on Lords of the Fallen 2023 to have non-stop threads about it when it was near release (or even to have lore threads of all threads!).
is this a new psyop?
>noooo Ganker is nothing!!! all those shill threads are tooootally original, haha
nobody can provide actual evidence for shilling outside of
>they're discussing video games on the video game board
>Exact same OP over and over and over. Same image hash
Spamming/advertising. Same shit. have a nice day.
>they're discussing video games on the video game board
>So if, like, you ever see any shill threads, please call me. If you feel like it. No pressure.
>Ganker is not an ebin battleground for the future of vidya like people want to believe
It's also not a super seekrit underground hacker forum like you want to believe
Considering that MLP became the juggernaut of autism that it is today because of Ganker, you are OBJECTIVELY wrong.
That's just furgays out of control again
>We're irrelevant
Yes goy, of course you are. Nobody would ever have their marketers post on a website that requires no creation and buildup of sockpuppet accounts, allows you to instantly and easily disguise your marketing as grassroots support, has no chance of negative PR since it can't be tied back to you officially, has millions of unique users every day, has nonexistent moderation that will never delete your threads, allows you to bump your own threads with just one other device, is notoriously easy to troll into discussing your game, requires little to no babying of threads, and doesn't require you to vet your marketers!
Why, it's pure anathema to everything a marketer would want from an outlet.
That sure is a lot of evidence that shows it's happening, friend. I concede in the face of your irrefutable data.
moron
All anyone ever provides is speculation based on what's "possible." It's possible that you suck 100 wieners a day, but that doesn't mean it's happening.
Not only have there been several instances of actual marketers posting proof that they were marketing on Ganker, you are also literally saying "people would not ever, under any circumstances, choose to get free marketing for their game."
You are a moron.
Post this proof then
>inb4 look at the archives
Post proof
>why yes, I will double down on my statement that a giant corporation would refuse to market their game for free
You are a moron.
Finally he posts something. Amazing
Proves nothing btw
>Proves nothing btw
Yeah, actually, it does.
>n-no because I will accept literally no proof even if the CEO of EA provided me a signed affidavit
OK, well, your opinions are irrelevant since they come from a moron who literally says corporations would choose to not make free money.
>12 year old post with images for ants
Not my fault you're a newhomosexual.
Also, you are literally saying corporations would choose to not make free money, so your posts are irrelevant, due to being made by a certified moron.
>free money
the image literally says he was let go (implying he was paid and that his services for EA were not free) and that it did jack shit. and it's 12 years old.
Yeah, EA is uniquely incompetent at marketing their products. Doesn't mean everyone else is.
Unless you want to prove that Ganker somehow has a barrier of entry and cannot be posted on while you do your actual marketing elsewhere?
Oh wait, you can't do that, because that's a provably false statement.
All I'm asking for is something other than a 12-year-old image from a tripgay.
And all I'm asking for is a single counterargument instead of more goalpost moving.
Go ahead, post even a single logical reason why people wouldn't market on the literal, objectively provable, easiest and cheapest marketing outlet relative to userbase.
It should be so easy right? Surely you're not just some moron Black person who makes an argument with absolutely no way to back it up even in the slightest, right? Go ahead, I will literally concede everything to you and post my hairy butthole and social security number if you can provide even a single valid reason why a stealth marketer wouldn't post on Ganker.
I'm not moving the goalposts. I'm asking for hard evidence of coordinated marketing campaigns on Ganker RIGHT NOW and not one anon 12 years ago.
And all I'm asking for is a single counterargument instead of more goalpost moving.
Go ahead, post even a single logical reason why people wouldn't market on the literal, objectively provable, easiest and cheapest marketing outlet relative to userbase.
It should be so easy right? Surely you're not just some moron Black person who makes an argument with absolutely no way to back it up even in the slightest, right? Go ahead, I will literally concede everything to you and post my hairy butthole and social security number if you can provide even a single valid reason why a stealth marketer wouldn't post on Ganker.
>I can't prove it happens now, but I expect you to prove to me it isn't happening now.
Not how that works.
>I can't provide even a single piece of evidence, no, I can't even provide a single piece of CONJECTURE that my point is valid but dude trust me bro.
You are a moron.
>I can't provide even a single piece of evidence
Why are you quoting yourself?
Except i provided some.
>n-no that doesn't count because I don't like it
Not how it works.
Substantiate your claims.
Oh wait, you can't.
Because you are a moron.
>Except i provided some.
A single anon 12 years ago. If the problem was as pervasive as you claim, surely there'd be something else by now?
>A single anon 12 years ago.
It could be a guy saying "I dreamed it" from a 1500 year old manuscript, and I still would have provided infinity% more proof than you have.
>If the problem was as pervasive as you claim, surely there'd be something else by now?
If nobody ever marketed on Ganker, then surely, SURELY, you could articulate even a single valid reason why they don't, right?
I mean if you couldn't, and you replied with absolutely anything else to this post, you are explicitly admitting that you are moron and your posts are all invalid.
>If nobody ever marketed on Ganker
I'll level with you, it was stupid to formulate my original throwaway argument that it "never happens." That's obviously an untenable position. But every single goddamn game release has at least 10% of the posts screaming about how XYZ is being shilled. Think of the BG3 guy claiming that all discussion on here is from Tencent bots. When asked if he can back up that claim, all he can say is "because it's China." I need harder evidence than that.
Besides a single anon 12 years ago, which I will give you, I find it hard to believe that you'll find other evidence than a gut feeling, else it would be spammed every time someone wanted to back up their claims of shilling for literally (and I mean literally in the literal sense) every game that gets discussed on Ganker near release. I hear wild claims like how people payoff the mods to leave threads up and shit like that but nobody ever provides the fricking proof. Shit I'll take a goddamn shoop at this point.
>I'll level with you, it was stupid to formulate my original throwaway argument that it "never happens." That's obviously an untenable position
OK cool thanks for admitting you're completely full of shit.
>But every single goddamn game release has at least 10% of the posts screaming about how XYZ is being shilled. Think of the BG3 guy claiming that all discussion on here is from Tencent bots. When asked if he can back up that claim, all he can say is "because it's China." I need harder evidence than that.
You being annoyed by paranoid morons does not negate the existence of shills in any way.
> I find it hard to believe that you'll find other evidence than a gut feeling
And
and all the other times there has been blatant marketing on Ganker, like with Borderlands.
Of course you'd have to be a newbie to not remember tha-oh, right.
is the gut feeling. It "makes sense" but it's not evidence.
>and all the other times there has been blatant marketing on Ganker, like with Borderlands.
>Of course you'd have to be a newbie to not remember tha-oh, right.
Let's just assume I haven't been here since 2005, because it's impossible to prove anyone's tenure. How is "something happened that you're gonna have to trust me on" evidence? The first game came out 15 years ago. If you tried to prove that statement in a court of law given how notoriously shitty human memory is, "dude trust me" is not an acceptable level. At least find me a post compendium.
>is the gut feeling
No actually, it's not. It's a bunch of valid reasons why imageboards are an extremely appealing marketing target compared to other sites that require a lot more investment to market on. You are literally pissing away free money if you're not having your stealth marketing team drop some Ganker shitposts while they monitor their reddit threads and marketing tweets.
>Let's just assume I haven't been here since 2005
Well we would have to or you would remember all the really blatant shilling in the era before people really started catching on.
>"dude trust me" is not an acceptable level
Well, I'm glad we agree that your position is invalid then.
>Well, I'm glad we agree that your position is invalid then.
I've already admitted that the statement "nobody shills here" is impossible to prove. It's like proving that OP doesn't suck wieners, I'd have to follow him literally every second until he dies. I'm just asking for hard evidence that people shill here right now. That someone provably got cash in hand for a campaign. "It's easy to do" is not evidence because again, you validate every schizo on this board that shits up threads for days because it's "obvious that people would shill here." It's honestly choking out the board and destroying it because you can't discuss any popular video games without things devolving into flame wars.
>I've provided irrefutable facts that show that Ganker is objectively among the easiest marketing targets and I've provided the closest thing to actual irrefutable proof of the claim that marketers target the site that you possibly can.
Yes, that's what I'm saying. You have strong speculation but you don't have the "actual irrefutable proof" in your own words.
>I'm just asking for hard evidence that people shill here right now
You have as much as is possible to provide without outright having an active employee of a marketing firm hand you his fricking business card and tell you they post here. Or in other words, as much as is physically possible to provide.
>You have strong speculation but you don't have the "actual irrefutable proof" in your own words.
Nevermind that I have actually posted proof, you also have yet to post a single piece of "speculation" to counter mine. even if it were actually speculation, and not irrefutable facts proving that Ganker is a free and easy marketing outlet that you would literally be pissing money away to ignore, even going so far as to point out that you can market your game for nothing more than 5 seconds of pasting a simple shitpost and cover art, which anyone marketing on platforms that we know they market on can make between posts on those platforms (that are all just Ganker but with infinitely higher costs of entry, in terms of marketability).
You have to have actual mental brain damage to be given actual proof that people are willing to create and karma farm sockpuppet Reddit accounts, and then post in that very thread and say "yeah those same people definitely wouldn't market on a platform where the only requirement to do so is to press Ctrl+V"
>You have to have actual mental brain damage to be given actual proof that people are willing to create and karma farm sockpuppet Reddit accounts
The thing is, it's a question of value. Yes, they could spam Ganker easily. Hell, they could spam 7chan or 420chan just as easily. My point is, why? Ganker gets about 80K posts per day. /r/gaming is a top Reddit community and pulls maybe 20K posts a day. Sounds like a lot, but Twitch pulls millions of concurrent viewers every day. Zoomers make video essays on YouTube that get millions of views within days. Slapping an ad on there or paying a streamer to play your game will get you 1000x eyeballs than posting on Ganker. My argument is that they probably don't give a shit about a board that maybe pulls 10,000 - 20,000 unique posters a month if I'm generous.
>My point is, why?
Oh okay, so you don't actually know Ganker analytics. Even half a decade ago Ganker was pulling millions of unique users a day. In terms of raw size it's barely below other outlets like Reddit, Twitter etc. and Ganker is the fastest or second fastest board.
> Slapping an ad on there or paying a streamer to play your game will get you 1000x eyeballs than posting on Ganker.
Yes, and that costs you tens of thousands, while making a post on Ganker costs you about 90 seconds of wages - which for a stealth marketer working from home is likely somewhere in the single digit cents range.
I appreciate you finally attempting an actual argument, but you're ignoring the fact that my entire argument was predicated on the fact that there is virtually no up front investment to posting on Ganker.
Getting a youtuber or twitch streamer to shill your game requires money. Lots of money, more than you'd think, if you want one that will pull the same numbers as Ganker. Five digits minimum. Plus you run the risk of the video/stream making your game look bad. If a Ganker post makes your game look bad, you can fall back on the "well that's just some troll misrepresenting us" argument.
Shilling your game on Reddit requires a lot of investment. You have to create accounts with email addresses, which is already more costly than dozens of Ganker posts. Then if you want to look genuine you need to farm karma on those sockpuppets before using them to shill. If they get caught, all that time and/or money you invested in raising that account is lost. You'll also probably want their shitty sub fee on some accounts. Then on top of this accounts have a posting history, which makes it easy to spot your shilling and requires constant maintenance for your accounts, either deleting posts or making new ones. Similar issues apply to Twitter and other sites, if you want your game noticed there it takes constant vigilance. If you want it noticed on Ganker, it takes an intern posting "bump".
>You being annoyed by paranoid morons does not negate the existence of shills in any way.
Also to this point, you have pretty much the same amount of evidence as they do. Why are they wrong and you right?
I've provided irrefutable facts that show that Ganker is objectively among the easiest marketing targets and I've provided the closest thing to actual irrefutable proof of the claim that marketers target the site that you possibly can.
Meanwhile his argument is "people don't market here because I'm annoyed by people calling posts marketing."
It's a shill dude, his current job is to deny inorganic activity even though you have proof.
just because it's easy to post here doesn't mean your $5 steam sale purchases matter to the industry, moron.
Never made that argument, you dumb Black person.
My guess is somewhere around Reddit, with the understanding that it is very hit or miss. Sometimes it will only take a bit of guerilla marketing to get it off the ground, other times it will actively frick your marketing over.
Fourth from the left.
To the left of festivals.
IDK why the youtuber op was watching cut off the graph
What's Ganker
our rival site. or used to be, but it got taken down.
the website that housed the v suite of boards for most of last year when this data was collected
some 8 chan ripoff
Our worst enemy.
shitty altchan
>shilling to people who don’t play games
For what purpose
Not to get political. But pre-/misc/ Ganker played a lot more videogames than post-/misc/ Ganker. Even if the traffic is higher.
I'm curious of what the median age is, because most of Ganker has to be in their 30s at least by now.
There's nothing political about it, it's just a fact that normalgays flooded the site at certain points in the past. Chanology, The fappening, GG, 2016 election.
I'm sure Ganker was playing more video games in 2011, yes.
they do it for free
Probably in the negatives.
It's right there after "streamers"
I've told anons repeatedly it's not worth mentioning your game here let alone shilling it.
Most of my wishlists came from Reddit posts and sending youtubers keys.
hey, buy my game
reddit is right there my lad.
imagine thinking this place matters
Frick off shill.
Remember the guy 15 years ago who posted his game here before 20 indie games got released every day?
Yeah....
Didn't think so.
Impossible to monitor.
Impossible to monitor you dumb frick. Nobody here clicks epic advertisement links they go to steam and search the name of the game.
>Impossible to monitor you dumb frick
Then why does every thread get shit up with SHILL SHILL SHILL like they have proof positive?
On God, most people don't understand how effective Ganker stealth shilling really is. I know for a fricking fact that stupid goddamn incest game made 2 million because a "schizo" (marketer) anon kept making threads and "complaining" (baiting) about the game. Seen it time and fricking time again.
I only decided to play the demo after I saw the threads here so you might be onto something
>I know for a fricking fact that stupid goddamn incest game made 2 million because a "schizo" (marketer) anon kept making threads
proof next thread, of course.
of course not, you'd just move the goalposts again.
If you "know it for a fricking fact" and can prove it for this specific game, there's really no goalposts to move. It came out recently so there should be posts fresh in the archive to correlate.
Ganker isnt anywhere near the top of where anyone would look to advertise. newbies, on Ganker especially, have gotten such a big head that they think they're worth shilling too when the average daily user amount on this board alone is a fraction of everything in OP with who knows how many being bots. The most you'll get is extremely small devs who'll post their games like that one galaga clone
Like 30 people use this homosexual website you stupid degenerate.
its all the same
>Twitter is almost 0
Makes perfect sense. Twitter is so ridiculously oversaturated with aspiring gamedevs. There is no way you wouldn't be drowned out in the noise. I don't even think all the homosexuals leaving for Mastadon even put a dent in it.
It's insane how much you see Twitter posting pushed as your primary advertising medium in dev circles too. Everyone on Twitter is there for some quick dopamine and will scroll by your shit in a quarter of a second .
Not to mention how often phenomenon is of "your game LOOKS cool but I'd never buy it in a million years" inflating everyone's sense of popularity
>It's insane how much you see Twitter posting pushed as your primary advertising medium in dev circles too. Everyone on Twitter is there for some quick dopamine and will scroll by your shit in a quarter of a second .
Because there is a small chance to go viral, but it only happens if you have something that really looks good. If you don't have something that is eye candy in the first second then it doesn't even matter.
>Not to mention how often phenomenon is of "your game LOOKS cool but I'd never buy it in a million years" inflating everyone's sense of popularity
If everyone is a dev, then no one is there to play games. Being in that space was so depressing and demotivating that I had to get out. Unironically felt like pic related. It isn't even a good place to get skills, because everyone is intermediate level at best or complete dogshit at worse. The really good devs are too busy to be in there.
I use twitter to follow indie devs and see what teases they drip feed there. I don't engage with anything though.
>festivals
Blanket your community with flyers. A phony ticker-tape parade will help you avoid littering laws.
He almost certainly means events like Next Fest
You almost certainly did not get the reference, homosexual.
How does the reddit one work? Do you buy ads, pay compromised reddit accounts with high karma or pay off people with reddit gold?
>wishlists
And how many people actually buy it?
Wishlists are used to cheese the algorithm. If your game has a ton of wishlists on launch then Valve will rocket it to the front of the store page.
Did people actually buy that one "The Day After" game?
Probably. Steam is full of people who buy games they don't even play. The guys cheesing the wishlist system treat it as a numbers game.
Last number I heard was 200,000 purchases, albeit with 90,000 refunds and growing
wishlists do for digital what preorders did for retail. those midnight release events didn't schedule themselves.
about 20%
Which isn't bad as far as wishlists go.
if it's indie trash, barely any
i dont have the image saved of the *eddit gay who had like thousands of wishlists and got <10 sales
I QA software, not games, so I do occasionally see user click data. They do track unique user visits and where they come from, and holy fricking shit do anons underestimate how powerful some things are that they minimize and anons explode the value of shit nobody cares about.
The stuff you guys complain about generates massive amounts of money. It's hilarious to think how stupid you would sound walking into a real meeting suggesting the things you suggest, because you would be slapped with volumes of data proving you don't know shit about how to make money selling games.
Make your own games. Don't tell other people with rent to pay how to make games. Most of you are idiots and don't know anything about selling a game.
The amount of stuff that must rot on Steam undownloaded because a Gankerirgin amateur game dev genuinely fears the reddit and 9gag boogieman and refuses to post about his game on platforms due to his political views. What a fricking idiot.
What is so hard to understand about customers complaining about annoying ads? This attitude is why people think marketers are sociopaths
have a nice day LARPing homosexual. Vidya is shit because of people like you.
>I SWEAR GUIZE MORE TRANNIES AND WOMEN WITH SKRILLEX HAIRCUT IN GAMES GENERATE MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF MONEY
1. lol no
2. ur a gay
I mean games trannies and skrillex cuts are currently some of the best sellers. So yeah, at the very least it don't hurt.
>SKRILLEX HAIRCUT
You know that has nothing to do with ESG score and everything to do with lazy dev's wanting an additonal female haircut besides ponytail and helmet-hair that wasn't going to clip through helmets.
Marketers are all buillshit artists. Your data is irrelevant noise. No amount of marketing will make a shit game succeed.
>ragepost with zero information other than seething
irrelevant and a waste of time
engagement and clickthrough doesn't result in sales and there is only a loose correlation with those things, you know this, your entire industry knows this, and its why its snake oil.
People who already know about the product, who are already interested, will never click through for example, so if something is already popular there it very often sees very little value in marketing there when in fact its not because its low value, its because marketing isn't needed there this time, but it should still be done for future products to make sure its properly advertised to the right audience, not to mention different demographics and audiences simply often just never click through even if it was successfully marketed to them.
Raw data doesn't tell you anything, raw data provides no information, raw data must be interpreted and backed up with more data, put into context and given justification
I'm sure Debra Wilson alone doubles the sales of every game she's in, totally legitimate anon
I feel like nextfest has been the best thing to happen to indieshit in a while, in terms of shilling. An event where people talk about and recommend demos for indie games. I've ended up buying several games because of it.
what game I like the style
we who are about to die. It's a gladiator sim.
I downloaded the demo. I mean the visuals and some animations and such don't look amazing. But the store page had a pretty good trailer. It really sold the idea of the progression being engaging. To rise in the ranks.
Time to see if the demo is any good and if the trailer actually lives up to what it was selling.
Controller or keyboard though?
It's a fun one life style game. I got pretty far on one try before I took on some gigahomie and got raped.
I played on keyboard since the combat has a gimmick with mouse movement, but they've since made some tweaks to it. I haven't played lately though.
nta but this game rules
what game?
So, do wishlists actually confer any benefits? I haven't made a game since greenlight got the boot and direct started, but nothing mattered at ALL except week 1 sales, back when I last bothered.
Probably depending on your major audience's age. Younger people don't check their email as much as older people do. I always end up knowing if a game I wishlisted released because steam sends an email every time.
see
In theory they do, but in fact, they don't. You regularly get stories of indie devs crying how they've had tons of wishlist and somehow felt obliged to a certain number of sales, but then, in fact, flopped.
It's mostly because of the devs misunderstanding how a user interacts with their wishlist. Things I have on my wishlist are mostly things I would never buy myself, but would take as a present or a game I'm waiting to go on sale.
A lot of the time I'll have a game on the wishlist, go on the game page when it releases, see the bad reviews and remove it from the wishlist.
this is what I do. also early access games that I don't want to forget about.
For a steam user, its just a bookmark.
For a dev, high wishlists say a game is worth pushing harder and put it on the front page. Think of it like a tshirt making it into the window display of a shop where lots more users can see it.
wishlist is important for eventual sales
when the game comes out, everyone who has it wishlisted gets an email
when it goes on sale, they all get an email
it also gets presented on the front page of anyone who has it wishlisted in these same scenarios
so getting wishlists is a big deal because of potential sales, but like this anon says
it doesn't necessarily mean you will get a sale, getting a wishlist isn't a sale or a partial sale or something like that, its an expression of interests, its someone basically saying
>"I may buy your game, it seems good"
if you shit the bed, its getting removed, maybe its good enough but not at that price and they want a sale, maybe they are unsure of some stuff about it and need to hear/see more about it make up their mind, or maybe they are 100% going to buy it the moment it releases and want to be notified about it ASAP so they can play it ASAP
A wishlisting is important, but its not a sale, and it doesn't guarantee anything
>imgur
how the frick do you market on imgur?
I've never even bought a game on my wishlist.
Wishlists don't mean shit as the day before showed
so when's nextfest?
A week before this year's lunar sale, most likely
Some reddit mods will ban you/delete your posts if they don't like you.
How do you create an online presence? I'm a 40 year old boomer who never learned how to be social on the Internet because I took the PSAs seriously and never had any real friends to push me to be online either.
Nowadays it's like finding a job, you need someone well known to prop you up otherwise your shilling will go unnoticed
Next Fest is one of the best things to happen to gaming in a while
I had a mate who refused to do any sort of advertising for his game because "it would sell itself"
Well, did it?
No.
Even fricking Disney couldn't pull off that marketing strategy.
The only studio capable to succeed without marketing is Rockstar with GTA 6 and even then, they would miss out on potentional 300 million dollars worth of profit.
the big problem with this philosophy is that it ignores the sheer volume of information your game has to go through to be seen by anybody if you aren't shoving it into people's faces yourself
the thing about thing's selling themself is that these situations are almost actually just good word of mouth from average users, which, while very organic, still require a bit of effort to get there
a good concept/execution will definitely help and is what make the word of mouth good, but you have to show people some stuff
even just little dev diarys are something, I think these are underrated, letting people see under the hood of your game makes it feel like your sharing something with them more personally and is a great way to ingratiate yourself with your fans
These are double edged if you are lazy and/or incompentent, you will hurt your game's image.
Seeing these has led to me not recommending the game to other people due to devs being unable to actualize their game.
Blessed daily discounted roll.
I've survived for 7 years with my porn games without ever having spent a single second on marketing.
The idea is simple: make a game that has some entertainment potential (in my case, very hot porn scenes with charismatic characters) and let the pirates distribute it all over the Internet. Then open up a channel for mega-fans to collaborate with you personally (Patreon is a good one, but not the only solution) and that's it.
Thanks to the pirates, I turned a hobby into a profession. Marketing is overrated.
Scamming ESLs on F95 is still marketing.
Porn games market themselves because people looking for porn games are horny and buy based on the banner art, no one is going out of their way to search for a hyper specific indie with an interesting game mechanic, you actually have to go out and get people interested in trying it.
Ive actually wanted to make some porn games for financial reasons like you but I have to convince my more normie friends I work with.
Ganker literally elected the POTUS, twice (forcing the powers that be to engage on election fraud) so you can't claim that Ganker is "irrelevant".
Hell, if anons got their shit together and stopped being distracted by shit like videogames Ganker wold easily become the most influential and important political force in the world.
that was cripplechan
And Cripplechan was literally Ganker expatriates.
The problem with Ganker is that the site isn't aware of its own strength, or let others manipulate anons into not using said strength.
If anyone here had that kind of motivation and drive, they wouldn't be here.
W-we're totally relevant and a powerhouse of the industry! Which is why the only example from 20 years ago completely dropped any association with us the moment there was any success!
Funnily enough the Snoot Game sequel is doing exactly the same, aiming for a more mainstream audience while ditching any relation with Ganker.
Sequels are soulless
I've started slowly making my game in my free time but I also might want to put a different name for myself as a developer because I draw e-girl and /d/ tier art for my rent on pixiv/baraag. If my idea comes into fruition, even if it's just a clip and it catches on, I just know someone on twitter is going to point out "Um akshually, this guy draws cp" on twitter and normies are going to freak out.
Are there any indie games where nobody knows anything of the developer?
Here's something I've noticed about video game twitter drama. If you make a good game that attracts a real fanbase who plays it, then all that drama will mostly blow over if you just don't stoke the fire. You could also just use two different names and I doubt anyone would ever give enough of a frick to make the connection.
Many indie developers are ghosts; the only thing known about them is their nicknames.
If you game doesn't cater to fetishists and is completely divorced from your "art", then you should create a completely new internet identity to handle said project's social media, promotion and contact. If you use that identity without slipping (going as far as using a dedicated smartphone / softphone / laptop to log in, never using it for anything else) no one will find who are you.
as long as tiktok beats reddit i believe in justice
at least tiktok isn't being mirrored in "news" sites
there are multiple sources i've had to block in google because those sites kept reposting fake reddit drama threads as "news"
reddit is an absolute cancer
i will promote my bug game here
But Todd-sama, you already did
Yes shills exist on Ganker, the only person who denies this is a shill. It was very obvious during StarField's release. Honestly it was getting pathetic, like they were pleading with Ganker to like the game.
how can twitter be worse than fricking imgur?
I don't even know what festivals are in regards to video games.
>school shooter posts on /misc/
>trial
>fbi presents screenshots of /misc/ thread as evidence
>screenshotted thread has (you)s in it
>fbi posts on /misc/
...but marketers would surely never post on Ganker, thats ridiculous
Im desperately working to try and have a demo ready this feb for next fest. I still have so much to do though. Re-making all of the UI graphics, making 10 characters, making 4 additional rooms, making the cutscenes, making the special effects for the battle moves, putting in the sound, the inventory system...all has to be in working order within the month.
Looks interesting, keep it up
Where are the wishlist bots?
The Day Before is the best example of this, why would literal who Russian devs get to be the most wishlisted game in Steam?
did you guys also start getting vids with double/triple digit views on your yt feed for the past week?
>the past week
its been like that for a few months now
Been like that for a year I wanna say.
All the time, it's kinda nice