i dont understand, its the same game from 16 years ago but you cant respawn, why is this exciting? the gameplay is clunky as fuck, it looks like ass and everything has been already explored and done.
>the gameplay is clunky as fuck
WoW literally has the most smooth gameplay of any MMO over the last 20 years, you absolute retard. It's one of the only redeeming qualities that it has always had, and somehow it still hasn't been matched. The only one that has come close would be BDO.
t. MMO shitter who has played 90% of available MMOs since ~2003.
>uhh we just forgot to finish some zones
SOVL OVERLOAD CLASSICSISTERS
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>plays a game designed by pink haired feminists and not chad DND nerds
lmaoing at ur life
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
those "chad nerds" couldnt make an interesting boss to save their lives
kinda embarassing being outperformed by pink haired feminists huh?
But then again given that D&D is dogshit its not surprising D&D tards produce dogshit
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
retail players are fucking retarded lmao. Go order your next dragon dildo gay
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>no argument just seethe
as expected of a 3rd worlder
Wrath is the same exact scenario where frostbolt does damage without having to have the alignment of the moon line up.
No one likes this kind of gameplay that retail has gravitated to.
It's the same issue that diablo 4 has, without legendaries you do literally no damage, then every legendary you get multiplies your damage by 3x
This is bad design, it means that the base abilities in these games are all trash and that you have very long periods of lol no damage instead of the steady stream of capability that your character performs at in classic - wrath
>Wrath is the same exact scenario where frostbolt does damage without having to have the alignment of the moon line up.
no its not you dumb moron
Wrath is the start of actual rotations. Wrath frost mage has brain freeze procs, the same proc thats in retail, and fingers of frost >No one likes this kind of gameplay that retail has gravitated to.
actually all the good players do, which is why theyre playing on retail
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
because there is no argument for you retail gays, you always just cope with "MUH BOSS MECHANICS" like it means anything
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
because content in retail is actually hard
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>actually all the good players do, which is why theyre playing on retail
because content in retail is actually hard
>because content in retail is actually hard
I got a sub to try retail not too long ago
levelled a hunter 1-60, mostly through chromie time and dungeons
was mind numbingly dull and by the time I got to 60 I was so fucking tired of the game that despite wanting to get involved in the RP scene (im a fa/tg/uy), I had to drop it and go back to Wrath-Classic to feel something
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
leveling isnt real content
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>leveling isnt real content
so why is it 90% of the game?
>I did no hard content and ran back to easy game
not sure why you would brag about this
>>I did no hard content and ran back to easy game >not sure why you would brag about this
I only did Chromie Time because the BfA shit was genuinely making me want to off myself it was so dull. I got to level 30 doing the BfA storylines, left to level through WotLK and had a lot more fun, and then decided to go back and try and complete zandalar to unlock the zandalari trolls. This was when I gave up on the game, just out of boredom. Was genuinely starting to doze off through 99% of the content.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
you can try hard to fit in but everyone played Wrath again this year
fetch 10 bear asses is the same in every continent. There is nothing good about wrath or classic questing
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>you can try hard to fit in but everyone played Wrath again this year >fetch 10 bear asses is the same in every continent. There is nothing good about wrath or classic questing
it's a lot more preferable to sitting alt tabbed browsing /b/ while I wait for some retarded furry in a glorified unskippable cutscene to shut the fuck up and drive me somewhere already
the constant exposition dumps were unbearable and bogged down the questing
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Oh no writing deeper than ARTHAS BAD
GET YOU NEXT TIME MEDDLING KIDS
DEUS EX LIGHT
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I'm not complaining about the story in retail wow, as far as I'm concerned it has good and bad elements, and I don't entirely hate the lore introduced in BfA. What I do hate is being forced through boring cutscenes that tell me a story I don't care about. I prefer the old style of questing because the lore was told through the quest description, not dictated to me while I sit there bored out of my mind waiting for the spiel to be over so I can go back to killing trash mobs and hearing the level up ding.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
im not sure how "fetch 10 bear asses as a valentines gift for my gay boyfriend" is any deeper
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>I did no hard content and ran back to easy game
not sure why you would brag about this
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
leveling isnt real content
go back playing your dead Scalie expansion
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>actually all the good players do, which is why theyre playing on retail
Anon, you are falsely equating good players to playing a popular game
The majority of players do not like all the levels of tedious bloat in basic combat to do any level of damage
Every mmo that focused too hard on all these depth of mechanics are all dead/dying
Actual players don't like what some top percentage of autists have grown to be accustomed to
Your entire concept of a rotation is bad because you've been conditioned to think of it in the poor way that blizzard implemented it since mop
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>you are falsely equating good players to playing a popular game
No, Im telling you that no good player is in love with 1 button rotations
You can drop a retail raider into classic and theyll shitstomp the content and be bored
You drop a classic raider into retail theyll be filtered out. Hell half of them got filtered by T5/Ulduar
The people who like classic are objectively not good at the game >The majority of players do not like all the levels of tedious bloat
Its not bloat, its depth. The game has actual depth, and you cant keep up >Every mmo that focused too hard on all these depth of mechanics are all dead/dying
Except that retail WoW is the king of MMOs with runner ups being FFXIV, that has 30 button rotations, and GW2, which also has multi sell rotations and buff stacking
Even shit like OSRS, where you just auto attack, has you rotating or flicking prayers
Vanilla WoW is the ONLY mmo around where you can just sit there and mash a single button for 2 minutes straight and be optimal. its built for the lowest dregs to be successful
Shitters arent people
and retail/wrath are both more popular than your shitter friendly cookie clicker game
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Wrath is the same exact scenario where frostbolt does damage without having to have the alignment of the moon line up.
No one likes this kind of gameplay that retail has gravitated to.
It's the same issue that diablo 4 has, without legendaries you do literally no damage, then every legendary you get multiplies your damage by 3x
This is bad design, it means that the base abilities in these games are all trash and that you have very long periods of lol no damage instead of the steady stream of capability that your character performs at in classic - wrath
Can you elaborate? Animation is animation, latency is latency, and MMOs ways to account for latency is practically textbook.
It's probably not any more smooth than other MMOs it just provides better illusion to cover latency.
>Animation is animation
It's not though. If you press a button in WoW there's usually an instant response, there's an animation that plays that is super fluid from start to finish that also feels satisfying, and can be used on the move for the most part, there's the VFX that goes along with it, the SFX that gives it an "oomph" when it connects, etc. etc.
In regards to things like the overall responsiveness, the movement, the ability to instantly do what what you want your character to do, etc. that's something that most MMOs haven't been able to fully achieve. You know the word "jank" for example? WoW has never had any kind of jank in regards to combat/movement due to everything being meticulously polished.
>It's probably not any more smooth than other MMOs
It is. Like I said, the only other MMO that has come close is BDO.
>In regards to things like the overall responsiveness, the movement, the ability to instantly do what what you want your character to do, etc. that's something that most MMOs haven't been able to fully achieve.
That's the illusion I was referring to. Latency means what you're seeing on your screen as soon as you push a button isn't actually happening in the game, it hasn't even made it to the server yet.
Yeah it's polish and a good thing but because it's "pointless" polish that's probably why most MMOs don't bother with it. It's 100% UX.
>"pointless" polish
There's nothing pointless about having your game be super responsive and smooth. What are you even saying?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>What are you even saying?
It's not *actually* responsive though, is my point.
If you don't understand the implications of latency and a server based game.
You're basically saying getting immediate feedback that you pressed a button feels better than only getting feedback when the server responds with an event that, as far as the game is concerned, actually happened.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>It's not *actually* responsive though, is my point.
It is to the player though. It doesn't matter what happens on the backend. What matters is that the game feels 100% smooth and responsive instantly and constantly for every action that you do.
Animations sucks in wow, casters ones especially. Melee ones flow extreme well but that makes them entirely irrelevant, not only that but most moves had reused animation with very very few being truly unique. Only around cata blizzard get off their ass to make them at least somewhat distinct, or rather paint some shitty sfx in attempt to do so.
Also you are fucking retard that didn't play bdo, it doesn't have the same flow as wow combat, not even close and for sure not even the closest mmo to achieve that feeling. Which would be pso ngs, tera, bns and auto assault
>Animations sucks in wow, casters ones especially
Opinion disregarded entirely.
>Only around cata blizzard get off their ass to make them at least somewhat distinct
It's a widely accepted opinion that most of the Cata-introduced animations and sounds were/are inferior to what they replaced. Not sure why you would ever even bring this up.
>Also you are fucking retard that didn't play bdo, it doesn't have the same flow as wow combat
Where did I ever say or imply that it had the same flow as WoW combat? I just said that BDO has smooth and responsive feeling combat.
I played hundreds of hours of Lost Ark. That game literally has animation locks and huge windup animations for a lot of things. It is definitely NOT "perfection".
I always tried to find another game that felt the same as running away with my hunter and jumping and spinning a 180 to fire a shot and then spinning back or tricking people by hiding the trap laying animation at the apex of a jump but was never able to. WoW was smooth.
>WoW literally has the most smooth gameplay of any MMO over the last 20 years >most smooth gameplay of any MMO over the last 20 years >smooth gameplay of any MMO
bar is so low it's like stating water is wet therefore water is wet.
most people dont touch diablo hardcore in these numbers or with this craze, so my best guess is its the current streamer trendy thing to stream right now
correct. and in standard blizzard fashion they will miss the hype train and release this in july or august in an attempt to bolster MAUs after diablo 4 peters off, by then the next trend will inevitably take over
and a hearty lol, lmao even to the people that want hardcore pvp servers. they think they'll be some sort of king killing people off when they want
>half of my required spells >required spells
Play the game as it was intended to be played. Homogenization of classes has destroyed the game anyway. You're in classic because dragonflight is dragonshit, remember that.
nice logic retard, i don't expect anyting more from a weeb
let me explain better so your little tiny brain understands
you can choose to pay money to blizzard to play classic hardcore OR you can just play on private servers without any payments
Not true. From what they said, it sounded like you enter permanent ghost-mode once you die. Now whether or not this means that you can actually run around and spectate things in the world, or if it's just the normal death mode, I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
>No SSF >No Group SSF >No Shared Group Life >No Dungeon Run Limits >Auction House Available >Perma Banned for Inconveniencing Advertisers, sry "Streamers".
GET YA POGS READY BOYS ITS ABOUT TO GO DOOOOOOOOWN!
INV ASMON LAYER!
LFG SPELL CLEAVE SM!
JUST SWIPES MY MOM CREDIT CARD, BUYING ALL THE BOE'S OFF THE AH BOYZ!
CAN'T WAIT TO REACH MAX LEVEL WITHOUT LEAVING INSTANCED DUNGEONS AOE SPAM GROUPS!
>No SSF
you can choose to play like this. you don't need an official toggle or worry about other retards if you do SSF yourself >No Group SSF
see above. >No Shared Group Life
The hardcore addon will already do this for you and everyone will still use the Hardcore Addon >No Dungeon Run Limits
who cares if others do this. they will die eventually anyways and their speedrun group will be fucked over until they spam dungeons again. I will enjoy the game of hardcore my own way and I don't care what others do, especially on a PvE server. >Auction House Available
Can choose to just not use it / see SSF answer I gave you. >Perma Banned for Inconveniencing Advertisers, sry "Streamers".
Well then don't do it? Fucking retard. OH NO WHY CAN"T I GRIEF THEM REEE. Play the fucking game instead dude, yikes.
Yeah the things Blizzard needs to address are things the addon cannot. >PvP autoflag quests. (Diplomat) >Hunter aggro abuse. >Training mobs with aoes to other players. >Defias Messenger. >Quests that literally kill you.
>Well then don't do it? Fucking retard. OH NO WHY CAN"T I GRIEF THEM REEE. Play the fucking game instead dude, yikes.
If you don't want to get griefed don't advertise your exact position with PVP on, you moronmonkey.
>Perma Banned for Inconveniencing Advertisers, sry "Streamers"
Subscribing to wow just to put a streamer on follow makes you really fucking cringe my guy
It's not to have fun, it's too milk content from viewers. This is all for streamers so that they can milk the game for longer and make people more excited.
Normal players will generally avoid adding anti fun challenges, and if they do they've been free to do so for years.
This is all just to make the game more like a gameshow
I'm actually glad we're getting official HC servers because the addon is fucking dogshit. >no trading on the AH at all ever >no trading with anyone while leveling for any reason at all >no bank alts >no using the mail box at all >everything has to be solo self found >if you die to a connection error and want to appeal you need video evidence to be even considered
seriously, might as well play on my own private realm at this point and multibox 4 other players for dungeons.
>the other players
Which you can't trade with until you're 60. Besides, you ever leveled any professions like engi, enchanting or smithing? You don't even have bag space to store the shit you need. I'm the kind of player that levels with skinning/mining to 40(sell the leather on the AH for mount gold and the ore/stone to a bank alt) then drop skinning for engineering. Then move all the ore/stone back to level engineering.
Well so far there are no HC servers, only that addon and if that addon catches you trading before you're 60 or if the player you're trading with is not HC-certified you are instantly disqualified. I'm assuming on official HC servers that is going to change.
>>no trading on the AH at all ever >>no trading with anyone while leveling for any reason at all
So basically no professions at all. Even first aid need trading at some point. Even cooking.
>cringe zoomie can't cope with bit of extra challenge on piss easy 15yo solved game
Go build some fortnite castles lil zoomie, Oh wait, you can't because that too was too difficult for you
just play normal and erase your character on death >NOOOOOOOOOOOO I JUST WANT THE CLOUT OF HARDCORE, IT HAS TO SAY "I AM A HARDCORE PLAYER" BUT ALSO ALLOWS ME TO DO EVERYTHING A NORMAL PLAYER WOULD DO!
What's the point?
>What's the point?
It doesn't allow you to die and come back. Permadeath is the entire point of HC. Everything else is just shit added by discord gays. It's a MMO, why shouldn't I be able to group or trade? Being a permadeath MMO doesn't turn it into a single player game. Why can I only run a dungeon once, all I'm doing is playing a permadeath MMO, I'm not larping that I am this character and he'd be confused if he saw the same mob twice. It's all just tacked on shit irrelevant to the main point.
>hey let's drain all the fun out of this simple game by forcing you to play as safe and braindead as possible
Who wants this besides streamers who have nothing better to do than pretend grinding low level boars for days is exciting?
Endwalker was absolutely unbearably crap compared to every other expac and even ARR. But i can't find a singlw ff chud to admit this, despite it being thw objective truth. First time i unsubbed.
>AND PEOPLE ARE LEAVING
You are a moron if you genuinely think that. The whole reason why Blizzard is gonna officially support this HC stuff is because the numbers are going up because of people wanting to play HC.
You just have to think about it logically. HC is very popular for streamers, thus there's a big new influx of people playing classic. Blizzard sees this and immediately jumps onto it to officially support it by developing official HC mode.
Blizzard would not put in any kind of effort if they didn't think there was money to be made. They are doing this because of the influx of players.
>They are doing this because of the influx of players.
Lmao that not how that works. They are doing it with the HOPE it will bring in more players based off the interest from streamers, not because more players are joining
You just have to think about it logically. HC is very popular for streamers, thus there's a big new influx of people playing classic. Blizzard sees this and immediately jumps onto it to officially support it by developing official HC mode.
Blizzard would not put in any kind of effort if they didn't think there was money to be made. They are doing this because of the influx of players.
>Literally chingchong bots and Multiboxers with 10+ players >Some even blizzard devs themselves making money of it >"Full"
Get back to work you lazy chud, your latest patch was shit.
>be healslut >heal some lvl59 retards in dungeon >wait till one gay is ~half health >stop healing >"brb smoke break" >I don't even smoke >Just sit there watching idiot die >if the group starts to wipe bubblestone out
HC grouping is a tedious restrictions made by autists who can't move on from WoW. No one think HC is fun. its a streamer mode for zoomies and their streamer masters.
>you want to trade with me? >oh, thank you very much dicksucka14 for the 500g! >lets see what we have in the mail >8 16 slot bags and 5 stacks of every ore in the game?! than you so much! >oh, there is more. >a bunch of enchanting materials and 5 titan flasks! >i love my community!
they made the addon with streamers in mind.
But vanilla wow is the buggiest version of the game.
Imagine playing for tens of hours just to die because the server went offline or your power died because you were in flight path and you log back in to drop to your death or the enemy you just killed literally respawns back on top of you or you no-clip through the ground on accident or some other stupid vanilla bug
>trading with other players outside of one’s immediate group >the use of auction houses banned >grouping with other players at random for quests banned >restrictions surrounding class abilities >groups must level together at all times >groups must be duo or trio
Lmao. Who enjoys this shit? its sounds tedious, not hard.
>Who enjoys this shit? its sounds tedious, not hard.
It is mostly tedious. People like the thrill on the one hand, but also like doing low lvl professions and meta gaming a weak low lvl character. they could have had the same effect with low lvl content and gated level progression but blizzard is retarded and so are their fans.
The reason people enjoy hardcore is because it somewhat gets people to play the way blizzard intended in the way that it makes people take every step of the game seriously. when playing non hc you just rush past everything, in hardcore you do everything you can to get stronger so you dont die. The whole idea that you are playing to make yourself as strong as possible at every level is why hc is "fun" in the grindy sense.
they should have released fresh months ago.
i hate blizzard.
>bro we have an announcement about HC servers in 2 more weeks >bro its been 2 weeks! >out announcement is that we will have hc server lmao
wow thanks for the build up you cunts.
they need to just fucking make WOW OSRS not this hardcore crap. just release a molten core knockoff but in the emerald dream or something and have raids auto delete worldbuffs off you on entrance + release gobs or another troll subspecies for horde and high elves for alliance = $$$
>WoW "Classic" >Still contains the censored jokes. >Still contains the censored "problematic" quests. >Still has the outright removed quests. >Still has the colour-swapped NPCs. >Still has the removed "problematic" art and outfits.
People want to play in a world that is hardcore, because otherwise you have to come up with a lot of extra rules to prevent just making it easier (like buying stuff on the market).
Sounds like a trust issue. If you can't get a handful of people doing it now in earnest, what makes you think people will do it simply becasue the rules are hard coded?
You either want to play like that or don't. If you can't keep it up under your own honor, did you really want it to begin with? Will you stick with it?
That's a little silly. I can buy full greens at the appropriate level so I can fight mobs 3 levels higher than me. It's my choices of where I take the gear that determines difficulty, not whether I can buy it or not.
Smartest move theyve made in a while honestly. Dragon Flight is a massive dissapointment sales and retention wise, so much so they are trying everything they can to get people in, even unlocking pretty much all races for all different types of classes besides special ones like DH and Envokers.
The only weird thing is that theyll punish people who play the game "Wrong" and grief people, if i were blizzard id make 1 server that was fucking lawless and let them all go at it there
they should have made fresh servers months ago. im convinced they havent because blizzard plays and they want to bully people with their naxx gear.
the endgame is absolutely dead outside of gdkp raids so you have to compete with guys using their 30k gold pools to gear their alts. Cant even get tier 0.5 set because no one runs strat/scholo
Wow is a shit game for shit people. I respect lolfags more because at least they know their game sucks. Fuck you and your gay company who you support with your poor financial decisions.
Your list is certainly valid if you include casuals but they also dont stay subbing for years. They play addon for month and leave. If you look at their noliver customers top will be naturally the permanent grind content.
If this sample size was 300-400k I would agree with you and say it matters, except 11k is a fucking joke and the poll is posted in a location nobody goes to. I've been an extremely competitive raider for almost every expansion, including classics, but i haven't been to the forums since TBC or maybe WOTLK
>If this sample size was 300-400k I would agree with you and say it matters, except 11k is a fucking joke
Why can't people into math? 11k is a big sample and gives you very accurate results assuming your sampling isn't biased.
And that's most likely an issue (and the only real issue). Forums aren't visited by a random sample of people, but specific types of people are more likely to visit them, like mentioned earlier.
Because 11k is in reference to the second thing you typed dumbfuck. It is the evidence that what was said second is true. Delete your pseudointellectual post you clown
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
> It is the evidence that what was said second is true
This is absolute nonsense. The size of a sample has absolutely nothing to do with the quality of the sample.
Go back to school and learn math. This is embarrassing.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Ok, let me spell this one out for you. 11k is not a meaningful number because it shows that a huge portion of the players did not vote. When it is posted on the forums - a way to to show that it was a biased location for the vote is that so few people voted. If they had it show up when you logged in and randomly selected 11k votes out of the (higher than 11k) people that would vote, then sure 11k is fine.
Does this make sense for you bud :-)? Let me know if you need some adaptations for your learning.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>11k is not a meaningful number because it shows that a huge portion of the players did not vote
Congrats, you learned about sampling. Only problem is that you can still have a biased sample even if your sample is massive, until your sample reaches effectively the population, at which point it's no longer a sample, but the population itself (and the population is probably somewhere near the numbers that you wanted from the poll). Ie the usual "they should ask literally everyone or it's not accurate".
>a way to to show that it was a biased location for the vote is that so few people voted
Incorrect. The popularity of a place doesn't serve as a proof for how biased or unbiased the sample is. The forum could have 1000 users and serve as a perfect unbiased sample, or 100k users and be extremely biased. It's all dependent on other factors.
Just don't bother mentioning sample size like literally every retard 99% of the time when there's nothing wrong with it. It's a cheap, easy criticism that people use to rationalize their own beliefs when they encounter something that contradicts them.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>repeating the same shit in 4 sentences that I said in 1 in my first post >doesn't understand voter suppression or in this case a pseudo voter suppression by having the vote on the fucking unused forums >still responding
i want you to go look at wcl stats for classic and retail and stop coping. of course some of them are chinese gdkps but so are retails and even then classic just blows them the fuck out numerically
go ahead and screenshot/link me to where there are more guilds in retail than in classic. also you have already outted yourself as not playing the game saying there are no gdkps lmao, gdkps originated from retail and predate classic you fucking moron
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>gdkps originated from retail
Yeah 15 years ago, they haven't been a thing since Cata when the game got harder and you couldn't fill 1/2 of the group with paypig carries
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>implying retail raids are SO HARD that you cannot sell carries
Bro they have been selling full loot runs, achievements, metas, etc. every single expansion shut the fuck up you lying moron.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Raids are too hard to sell carries to 10 people at once
Something that's not an issue in classic because it's built for low IQ trash
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Ok? Are we just saying random meaningless shit right now? Raids are too hard in classic to sell carries to 24 people.
Nobody would join a fucking 10 person gdkp because they would be bid to hell.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
No they literally aren't lmao. As usual classcifags in utter denial of how piss easy their game is
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>implying you can carry TWENTY FOUR (24) people through classic raids
this bait is so bad you should unironically get up and walk away from the computer you freak
find god
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
You absolutely can 15 man Molten Core shitter
And 25m Wrath naxx you could carry 24 people so long as they don't literally afk
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>And 25m Wrath naxx you could carry 24 people so long as they don't literally afk
u wot m8?
Not the guy you are arguing with, but are you saying that 1 solo guy could carry 24 other people? That ain't true.
Everyone is excited for this official hardcore classic. Don't let the overly negative retards who play private servers or didn't want this to happen persuade you to not play the most fun and interesting thing to do with WoW Classic since the original Classic fresh in 2018.
Everyone loves this announcement.
Its only the worst retards here who hate wow forever and still play it who are negative.
Gather some old friends and have fun Ganker. Trust me.
Autists and streamers are 'excited' for this. Everyone else rightly call HC retarded tedium because that exactly what it is. banning shit like Soulstone and reincarnation shows that the game was never intended to be played this way.
They're gonna monetise buying a resurrection or something, I just fucking know it. >guys we won't make changes to classic 🙂 >guys we won't have a store 🙂 >guys we may have gotten a store but we won't sell boosts or anything 🙂
Nobody would play there then. I actually hope they use the ironman rule set because those people are the ones who got us the hc server in the first place.
>nobody would keep playing Classic wow if they added lvl boosts or mounts!
They already sold boosts in tbc
They are going to sell resurrection tokens in classic
my point precisely.
cope
I'm literally playing HC wow (leatherworking) as of typing this, I'm just saying they're gonna find some way to ruin or fuck it up because that's what they do.
They already sold boosts in tbc
They are going to sell resurrection tokens in classic
Either you "people" are insanely dishonest or you are insanely retarded. As much as Blizzard fucking sucks, they wouldn't sell resurrections like that. Everyone would quit playing their HC mode instantly if they allowed that.
I said that about lvl boosts. "No one would keep playing if there were lvl boosts, it ruins the experience", but nope, classic cruise still going quite strong.
I assume it will be the same with HC, wether they add some kind of "59$ - Start the Hardcore challenge at level 30 with leveled up professions of your choosing!" or some shit. It's just the way of modern Bl*zzard.
would keep playing Classic wow if they added lvl boosts or mounts!
There's a difference between classic cucks and hc players.
I mean sure, people of substance would quit, but what drives both of classic and hc is that it's mainstream now, there are all kinds of players, including the paypiggie casuals, that would probably just keep playing or even encourage it and make use of the function.
I've been griefing on WoW for years and I've never been banned for a single second.
My favorite was summoning people off the edge of the grand where they couldn't res naturally
>wotlk client. so all the little nuanced vanilla features that let you power game in off meta ways are gone >removed "problematic" quest text and npcs >changed NPCs for SJW reasons >some class skills dont even interact the way they did in actual vanilla
I'm sure trying to escape the blatant indoctrination by playing the same game only more autistic will work for all you mindbroken addicted gays who refuse to move on.
The m+ are needlessly complex. They aren't FUN they are tedium challenges - accentuated by the fact that m+ scale so it's not a real reward to beat them. >implying 20s matter not a 22 get gud etc.
The game overall has sucked cock for 3 expansions in a row. Scalies, a dog shit story, and a new dog shit class inclusion only made it worse. I do not remotely care about DF or slands story. Nobody wanted this shit.
>DF RESPECTS UR TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah cool there is fucking nothing to do. There is an inbetween for end shadowlands with 18 systems and currencies, and what we have now.
New talent trees are a meme and are the illusion of more and more interesting choice. They railroad you just as hard if not harder than older trees. They didn't even add new/cool skills while pruning others.
>crying about m+ and shadowlands being time consuming >defends Legion
You literally are an NPC. You do not have real opinions or thoughts, you simply regurgitate streamer takes
You missed a key difference here, legion was fun and had many new/unique aspects to the game when it was introduced. Also blizzard retroactively (but too slowly) fixed a lot of the time sink issues. Even then it was far superior to slands. Stop projecting NPC shitposts onto me just because shadowlands and legion both had a lot of systems/currencies
>i-its fun
Meaningless buzzword
Farming AP is not fun. EN, ToV and ToS are not fun. Farming legendaries is not fun >fixed a lot of the issues
You mean you ate shit for long enough for the issue to resolve itself
It wasn't superior to anything you retarded NPC
Emerald nightmare was not a terrible first raid, you're coping. It just wasn't absolutely insane or wonderful. ToV and ToS were awesome raids, especially ToS. KYS now.
What's the point when it's in your best interest not to do dungeons; one of the funner parts of vanilla?
There will 100% be griefers >nobody does that
People were already griefing for lols in classic and now there's actually an incentive >just join a guild
Doesn't stop a shitter from accidentally pulling shit or not pulling his weight >just git gud
Healer/tank gets CCd > die
Healing aggro > resists happen > healer dies
This will be exacerbated when you're playing with a hunter/rogue/mage(half the server) and they'd rather save their own skin >just do it when you're 5 levels over it
Boring
i swear this hardcore announcement has filtered the shit wow players. look at all of them reeing in this thread.
good, don't play hardcore. go cry. no one cares. we wow genuine ogs will be all over hardcore classic.
cope. kneel.
wow is full of middle aged hair men, why are blizzard shilling everything off female empowerment? they could not just of had a masculine character for a change?
This is a good thing because WoW vanilla is really fun during leveling and not as fun at endgame and this basically ensures there's always people leveling
>Blizzard run HC servers
I cant see how any of this goes right. Its like if Gamefreak released an official Nuzlocke mode. People on reddit are already arguing about trading/parties being allowed because its supposed to be ironman hardcore or nothing
I would argue and say you can play wow for free, but the current best private server is ran by a known scammer who allowed it to be moderated by literal trannies that scold you for dancing naked in SW.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
still the same game you already played and beat 15 years ago
Food analogies are really the only kind you retarded children understand. Anything else and it's like, DID YOU REALLY JUST COMPARE X TO Y? YOU THINK THEY"RE THE SAME THING? No, I just pointed out aspects of the two which are similar. Everyone understands food though.
not mmos, not games with no new content that were already solved decades ago and exist solely to be sold for the nostalgia of when the company that made the game wasnt shit
absolutely insane how dead the MMO genre is. Too expensive to make and too risky to get right. How is it that no one has just made a proper WoW clone at this point? God I can't wait for that ArcheAge private server to come out, I have zero hopes for 2.
>absolutely insane how dead the MMO genre is
The genre is becoming more alive than it has been in the last 10 years.
Blizzard survival game (Semi-MMO ala Rust/Ark, hundreds of players per server)[2024/2025]
Throne and Liberty (Lineage 2 spiritual successor, big PvP focus) [Oct 2023]
Chrono Odyssey - Korean action combat [Late 2023 or 2024]
Pax Dei - ex-EVE devs, fantasy sandbox w/ territorial control [????]
Tarisland - Chinese WoW [Late 2023 or 2024]
Archeage 2 [2024?]
Zenimax Online new MMO (No information, +200 devs) [????]
Aion 2 (PvP focus w/ some PvE) [2024?]
Night Crows (Aiming for 1000 player PvP battles) [Late 2023?]
Corepunk (MMO ala LoL/DotA. Focus on both PvE+PvP) [Likely 2024]
Palia (Casual MMO. Minecraft+Farmville w/ Fortnite graphics) [????]
Project D (Spiritual Dragon Nest sequel, w/ open world) [Likely 2024]
Blue Protocol (Semi-MMO. 30 per zone, 200 per town) ala Tower of Fantasy/Genshin Impact) [Late 2023]
Ashes of Creation (Mix of Archeage/Lineage PvP + Everquest/WoW PvE + territorial control/city building/gathering/crafting) [2025/2026?]
Riot's MMO (No real information) [2025 or beyond]
Dune: Awakening (Logic says Conan Exiles with Dune skin, but described as "THOUSANDS of players") [2024?]
Playable Worlds (Not much information) [????]
Profane (Sandbox MMO. Basically Valheim with PvP) [Likely 2024 at the earliest]
Starkeepers (Sandbox MMO. Territorial control and city building) [????]
Wayfinder (Semi-MMO. Chase loot in PvE dungeons) [Late 2023?]
Soulframe (Semi-MMO. Developers of Warframe) [Probably 2025/2026]
Ashfall (Post-apocalyptic The Division-style MMO) [Late 2023?]
BitCraft (Sandbox MMO with one big procedurally generated world. City building/gathering/crafting) [Maybe 2024]
Project LLL (The Division/Destiny/Warframe mix. Open world PvE+PvP) [2024]
Project ER (Large-scale siege warfare PvP. Territorial control, seamless world) [????]
RF Project (SciFi MMO w/ mechs, open world, PvP-focused, RvRvR ala DAoC) [????]
what that other anon said, it was dead for a couple years and now it's in some sort of insane resurgence because wow is dying and genshit shows that the market is still huge
I wouldn't pay a sub for it but I'd play it if it were on gamepass. I don't even have gamepass running now but I would if I could scratch the wow and cod itches once every couple weeks.
Paladin's bubble + hearth wasn't allowed on the unofficial hardcore, but if it's allowed on the official hardcore then it will be easy to survive anything.
However, then you have to deal with playing a paladin. That's a whole different level of boring.
I want to see a massive flex game mode where you are required to duel someone to the death at every 10th level or your run is DQ'd.
They need to be the same level obviously.
>reach level 50 >get forcefully teleported to a 1v1 arena >unable to leave >everyone else is a shitter and can't reach level 50 >stuck there for hours until someone else is finally forced to duel me >lose and die
wow fun
Nah not forced like that, you just can't gain any exp until you get your victory. You can pick your opponent as long as they're the same level. >lose and die
Yeah, one person will, that's what makes it fun.
so its the exact same game only more punishing? do people think this makes them look skilled? because you can use the south park method and get to 60 without any issue
>ARE YOU GUYS READY TO PLAY THE SHITTEST VERSION OF WOW, AGAIN?
get hype.......
/tar cuck
/makgora
*watches your cuck ass decline*
*server wide announcement that you are cuck irl*
have a nice day.
>"Anon 637168730 is a cuck irl"
>WOW IS FUCKING BACK!
i dont understand, its the same game from 16 years ago but you cant respawn, why is this exciting? the gameplay is clunky as fuck, it looks like ass and everything has been already explored and done.
>it looks like ass
It looks great
>the gameplay is clunky as fuck
WoW literally has the most smooth gameplay of any MMO over the last 20 years, you absolute retard. It's one of the only redeeming qualities that it has always had, and somehow it still hasn't been matched. The only one that has come close would be BDO.
t. MMO shitter who has played 90% of available MMOs since ~2003.
>WoW literally has the most smooth gameplay of any MMO
Yeah pressing icebolt over and over again was based.
I wasn't talking about rotations, ya dingus. I was talking about animations, sound effects, responsiveness, movement, flow of everything, etc.
Unironically was. 3k frostbolt crits, nothing has compared since
Better than retails 3 procs and 2 offensive cooldowns to make icebolt do the same damage% as classic
but its not, which is why only shitters play classic
>aM bEtTer tHaN yOu
>plays a game with zero soul
typical
>uhh we just forgot to finish some zones
SOVL OVERLOAD CLASSICSISTERS
>plays a game designed by pink haired feminists and not chad DND nerds
lmaoing at ur life
those "chad nerds" couldnt make an interesting boss to save their lives
kinda embarassing being outperformed by pink haired feminists huh?
But then again given that D&D is dogshit its not surprising D&D tards produce dogshit
retail players are fucking retarded lmao. Go order your next dragon dildo gay
>no argument just seethe
as expected of a 3rd worlder
>Wrath is the same exact scenario where frostbolt does damage without having to have the alignment of the moon line up.
no its not you dumb moron
Wrath is the start of actual rotations. Wrath frost mage has brain freeze procs, the same proc thats in retail, and fingers of frost
>No one likes this kind of gameplay that retail has gravitated to.
actually all the good players do, which is why theyre playing on retail
because there is no argument for you retail gays, you always just cope with "MUH BOSS MECHANICS" like it means anything
because content in retail is actually hard
>actually all the good players do, which is why theyre playing on retail
>because content in retail is actually hard
I got a sub to try retail not too long ago
levelled a hunter 1-60, mostly through chromie time and dungeons
was mind numbingly dull and by the time I got to 60 I was so fucking tired of the game that despite wanting to get involved in the RP scene (im a fa/tg/uy), I had to drop it and go back to Wrath-Classic to feel something
leveling isnt real content
>leveling isnt real content
so why is it 90% of the game?
>>I did no hard content and ran back to easy game
>not sure why you would brag about this
I only did Chromie Time because the BfA shit was genuinely making me want to off myself it was so dull. I got to level 30 doing the BfA storylines, left to level through WotLK and had a lot more fun, and then decided to go back and try and complete zandalar to unlock the zandalari trolls. This was when I gave up on the game, just out of boredom. Was genuinely starting to doze off through 99% of the content.
you can try hard to fit in but everyone played Wrath again this year
fetch 10 bear asses is the same in every continent. There is nothing good about wrath or classic questing
>you can try hard to fit in but everyone played Wrath again this year
>fetch 10 bear asses is the same in every continent. There is nothing good about wrath or classic questing
it's a lot more preferable to sitting alt tabbed browsing /b/ while I wait for some retarded furry in a glorified unskippable cutscene to shut the fuck up and drive me somewhere already
the constant exposition dumps were unbearable and bogged down the questing
Oh no writing deeper than ARTHAS BAD
GET YOU NEXT TIME MEDDLING KIDS
DEUS EX LIGHT
I'm not complaining about the story in retail wow, as far as I'm concerned it has good and bad elements, and I don't entirely hate the lore introduced in BfA. What I do hate is being forced through boring cutscenes that tell me a story I don't care about. I prefer the old style of questing because the lore was told through the quest description, not dictated to me while I sit there bored out of my mind waiting for the spiel to be over so I can go back to killing trash mobs and hearing the level up ding.
im not sure how "fetch 10 bear asses as a valentines gift for my gay boyfriend" is any deeper
>I did no hard content and ran back to easy game
not sure why you would brag about this
go back playing your dead Scalie expansion
>actually all the good players do, which is why theyre playing on retail
Anon, you are falsely equating good players to playing a popular game
The majority of players do not like all the levels of tedious bloat in basic combat to do any level of damage
Every mmo that focused too hard on all these depth of mechanics are all dead/dying
Actual players don't like what some top percentage of autists have grown to be accustomed to
Your entire concept of a rotation is bad because you've been conditioned to think of it in the poor way that blizzard implemented it since mop
>you are falsely equating good players to playing a popular game
No, Im telling you that no good player is in love with 1 button rotations
You can drop a retail raider into classic and theyll shitstomp the content and be bored
You drop a classic raider into retail theyll be filtered out. Hell half of them got filtered by T5/Ulduar
The people who like classic are objectively not good at the game
>The majority of players do not like all the levels of tedious bloat
Its not bloat, its depth. The game has actual depth, and you cant keep up
>Every mmo that focused too hard on all these depth of mechanics are all dead/dying
Except that retail WoW is the king of MMOs with runner ups being FFXIV, that has 30 button rotations, and GW2, which also has multi sell rotations and buff stacking
Even shit like OSRS, where you just auto attack, has you rotating or flicking prayers
Vanilla WoW is the ONLY mmo around where you can just sit there and mash a single button for 2 minutes straight and be optimal. its built for the lowest dregs to be successful
The majority of people don't agree with you
Shitters arent people
and retail/wrath are both more popular than your shitter friendly cookie clicker game
Wrath is the same exact scenario where frostbolt does damage without having to have the alignment of the moon line up.
No one likes this kind of gameplay that retail has gravitated to.
It's the same issue that diablo 4 has, without legendaries you do literally no damage, then every legendary you get multiplies your damage by 3x
This is bad design, it means that the base abilities in these games are all trash and that you have very long periods of lol no damage instead of the steady stream of capability that your character performs at in classic - wrath
Can you elaborate? Animation is animation, latency is latency, and MMOs ways to account for latency is practically textbook.
It's probably not any more smooth than other MMOs it just provides better illusion to cover latency.
>Animation is animation
It's not though. If you press a button in WoW there's usually an instant response, there's an animation that plays that is super fluid from start to finish that also feels satisfying, and can be used on the move for the most part, there's the VFX that goes along with it, the SFX that gives it an "oomph" when it connects, etc. etc.
In regards to things like the overall responsiveness, the movement, the ability to instantly do what what you want your character to do, etc. that's something that most MMOs haven't been able to fully achieve. You know the word "jank" for example? WoW has never had any kind of jank in regards to combat/movement due to everything being meticulously polished.
>It's probably not any more smooth than other MMOs
It is. Like I said, the only other MMO that has come close is BDO.
>In regards to things like the overall responsiveness, the movement, the ability to instantly do what what you want your character to do, etc. that's something that most MMOs haven't been able to fully achieve.
That's the illusion I was referring to. Latency means what you're seeing on your screen as soon as you push a button isn't actually happening in the game, it hasn't even made it to the server yet.
Yeah it's polish and a good thing but because it's "pointless" polish that's probably why most MMOs don't bother with it. It's 100% UX.
>"pointless" polish
There's nothing pointless about having your game be super responsive and smooth. What are you even saying?
>What are you even saying?
It's not *actually* responsive though, is my point.
If you don't understand the implications of latency and a server based game.
You're basically saying getting immediate feedback that you pressed a button feels better than only getting feedback when the server responds with an event that, as far as the game is concerned, actually happened.
>It's not *actually* responsive though, is my point.
It is to the player though. It doesn't matter what happens on the backend. What matters is that the game feels 100% smooth and responsive instantly and constantly for every action that you do.
Animations sucks in wow, casters ones especially. Melee ones flow extreme well but that makes them entirely irrelevant, not only that but most moves had reused animation with very very few being truly unique. Only around cata blizzard get off their ass to make them at least somewhat distinct, or rather paint some shitty sfx in attempt to do so.
Also you are fucking retard that didn't play bdo, it doesn't have the same flow as wow combat, not even close and for sure not even the closest mmo to achieve that feeling. Which would be pso ngs, tera, bns and auto assault
>Animations sucks in wow, casters ones especially
Opinion disregarded entirely.
>Only around cata blizzard get off their ass to make them at least somewhat distinct
It's a widely accepted opinion that most of the Cata-introduced animations and sounds were/are inferior to what they replaced. Not sure why you would ever even bring this up.
>Also you are fucking retard that didn't play bdo, it doesn't have the same flow as wow combat
Where did I ever say or imply that it had the same flow as WoW combat? I just said that BDO has smooth and responsive feeling combat.
I guess you didn't play Lost Ark. That game is literal perfection when ti comes to combat.
I played hundreds of hours of Lost Ark. That game literally has animation locks and huge windup animations for a lot of things. It is definitely NOT "perfection".
Yes it's an action game of course it would lock you that's the point. It's a risk reward system.
>WoW literally has the most smooth gameplay of any MMO over the last 20 years
>t. MMO shitter who has played 90% of available MMOs since ~2003.
lole
The old korean f2p WoW clones have better gameplay, you don't know shit.
I always tried to find another game that felt the same as running away with my hunter and jumping and spinning a 180 to fire a shot and then spinning back or tricking people by hiding the trap laying animation at the apex of a jump but was never able to. WoW was smooth.
>The old korean f2p WoW clones have better gameplay, you don't know shit.
Go ahead and name them.
Based and truth pilled.
Wow is dogshit but every other mmo manages to be worse
>WoW literally has the most smooth gameplay of any MMO over the last 20 years
>most smooth gameplay of any MMO over the last 20 years
>smooth gameplay of any MMO
bar is so low it's like stating water is wet therefore water is wet.
>WoW literally has the most smooth gameplay of any MMO over the last 20 years
no, Club Penguin was superior in every way unironically
>people debating this
these are the humans that defend shit like wildstar or gw2
FF14 trannies where everything you do takes a quarter century slow gameplay for slow minds
Stop making questions and consume mindlessly
wowdrones dont care, theyre as bad as the zeldafags
most people dont touch diablo hardcore in these numbers or with this craze, so my best guess is its the current streamer trendy thing to stream right now
correct. and in standard blizzard fashion they will miss the hype train and release this in july or august in an attempt to bolster MAUs after diablo 4 peters off, by then the next trend will inevitably take over
and a hearty lol, lmao even to the people that want hardcore pvp servers. they think they'll be some sort of king killing people off when they want
I'd play it if it was F2P
let's hope it is based on the wotlk version and not vanilla
I'm not playing a class with half of my required spells and talents missing
>half of my required spells
>required spells
Play the game as it was intended to be played. Homogenization of classes has destroyed the game anyway. You're in classic because dragonflight is dragonshit, remember that.
pretty sure retail is doing better than classic now, you thought you wanted it but you didnt
where are the HOMEposters now you think? suicide?
breed every single nightelf healslut
why would anybody want to pay money just to play classic hardcore when you can play it without paying
why would you play a videogame when you could just using your imagination to play it in your head?
nice logic retard, i don't expect anyting more from a weeb
let me explain better so your little tiny brain understands
you can choose to pay money to blizzard to play classic hardcore OR you can just play on private servers without any payments
holy shit, the dumbest analogy I've ever read
based and true, no vidya lives up to my autistic imaginary fantasies
>Spirit healears are ready
>Hardcore where you can't ress
Do they know how their game works?
When you die they deport your character to containment server where you can continue playing it if you want.
Not true. From what they said, it sounded like you enter permanent ghost-mode once you die. Now whether or not this means that you can actually run around and spectate things in the world, or if it's just the normal death mode, I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
Why are spirit healers getting ready when you can't use them?
ready to jobchange into prostitutes
Just modern blizzard proving they have absolutely no idea about the products they supposedly create
They better have 200% xp minimum or no one is going to play that shit
The core experience of vanilla wow is leveling.
Once you speed that up there will be nothing left.
There is no "core" experience for HC Autists so it's a moot point
Wow is a streamer game at this point. You don't play it, unless you are a streamer or you want to grief streamers.
>No SSF
>No Group SSF
>No Shared Group Life
>No Dungeon Run Limits
>Auction House Available
>Perma Banned for Inconveniencing Advertisers, sry "Streamers".
GET YA POGS READY BOYS ITS ABOUT TO GO DOOOOOOOOWN!
INV ASMON LAYER!
LFG SPELL CLEAVE SM!
JUST SWIPES MY MOM CREDIT CARD, BUYING ALL THE BOE'S OFF THE AH BOYZ!
CAN'T WAIT TO REACH MAX LEVEL WITHOUT LEAVING INSTANCED DUNGEONS AOE SPAM GROUPS!
yeah they really need to rework their whole idea of "hardcore" because their idea of it is ass.
you can do all that RIGHT NOW
you fucking morons who want HC servers to be the same as the mod need to gas yourself
>No SSF
you can choose to play like this. you don't need an official toggle or worry about other retards if you do SSF yourself
>No Group SSF
see above.
>No Shared Group Life
The hardcore addon will already do this for you and everyone will still use the Hardcore Addon
>No Dungeon Run Limits
who cares if others do this. they will die eventually anyways and their speedrun group will be fucked over until they spam dungeons again. I will enjoy the game of hardcore my own way and I don't care what others do, especially on a PvE server.
>Auction House Available
Can choose to just not use it / see SSF answer I gave you.
>Perma Banned for Inconveniencing Advertisers, sry "Streamers".
Well then don't do it? Fucking retard. OH NO WHY CAN"T I GRIEF THEM REEE. Play the fucking game instead dude, yikes.
Yeah the things Blizzard needs to address are things the addon cannot.
>PvP autoflag quests. (Diplomat)
>Hunter aggro abuse.
>Training mobs with aoes to other players.
>Defias Messenger.
>Quests that literally kill you.
>Well then don't do it? Fucking retard. OH NO WHY CAN"T I GRIEF THEM REEE. Play the fucking game instead dude, yikes.
If you don't want to get griefed don't advertise your exact position with PVP on, you moronmonkey.
You dumb fuck, you realize the entire server is hardcore, so why would you limit it to SSF and no AH?
>Perma Banned for Inconveniencing Advertisers, sry "Streamers"
Subscribing to wow just to put a streamer on follow makes you really fucking cringe my guy
>bootlicking ecelebs
cringe
Nice.
I've been playing the new zoneman game mode like crazy, it's be cool if that added an official version of that too.
This is getting fucking stupid. How many handicaps do people need to have "fun"?
It's not to have fun, it's too milk content from viewers. This is all for streamers so that they can milk the game for longer and make people more excited.
Normal players will generally avoid adding anti fun challenges, and if they do they've been free to do so for years.
This is all just to make the game more like a gameshow
>Another copy of an OSRS challenge
Get your own content bucks
>copying runescape
>copying runescape
>blizzard and even their fanboy modders can't have any original ideas
lmfao
>imagine if runescape actually had gameplay
That's classic wow
Soooo is this just a copy of OSRS or is the game now going through the same thing as OSRS?
i hope people will stop playing wow/mmos and get the help they need.
I'm actually glad we're getting official HC servers because the addon is fucking dogshit.
>no trading on the AH at all ever
>no trading with anyone while leveling for any reason at all
>no bank alts
>no using the mail box at all
>everything has to be solo self found
>if you die to a connection error and want to appeal you need video evidence to be even considered
seriously, might as well play on my own private realm at this point and multibox 4 other players for dungeons.
Alts shouldn't be a thing. You should use only one characters and rely on yourself, the world, the other players.
>the other players
Which you can't trade with until you're 60. Besides, you ever leveled any professions like engi, enchanting or smithing? You don't even have bag space to store the shit you need. I'm the kind of player that levels with skinning/mining to 40(sell the leather on the AH for mount gold and the ore/stone to a bank alt) then drop skinning for engineering. Then move all the ore/stone back to level engineering.
>Which you can't trade with until you're 60
Well you should in a hc server.
Well so far there are no HC servers, only that addon and if that addon catches you trading before you're 60 or if the player you're trading with is not HC-certified you are instantly disqualified. I'm assuming on official HC servers that is going to change.
>>no trading on the AH at all ever
>>no trading with anyone while leveling for any reason at all
So basically no professions at all. Even first aid need trading at some point. Even cooking.
>Even first aid need trading at some point
It doesn't.
>Even cooking
It doesn't.
Banks alts are fucking cringe though, the whole point of HC is the fear of losing EVERYTHING when you die.
>cringe zoomie can't cope with bit of extra challenge on piss easy 15yo solved game
Go build some fortnite castles lil zoomie, Oh wait, you can't because that too was too difficult for you
just play normal and erase your character on death
>NOOOOOOOOOOOO I JUST WANT THE CLOUT OF HARDCORE, IT HAS TO SAY "I AM A HARDCORE PLAYER" BUT ALSO ALLOWS ME TO DO EVERYTHING A NORMAL PLAYER WOULD DO!
What's the point?
>What's the point?
It doesn't allow you to die and come back. Permadeath is the entire point of HC. Everything else is just shit added by discord gays. It's a MMO, why shouldn't I be able to group or trade? Being a permadeath MMO doesn't turn it into a single player game. Why can I only run a dungeon once, all I'm doing is playing a permadeath MMO, I'm not larping that I am this character and he'd be confused if he saw the same mob twice. It's all just tacked on shit irrelevant to the main point.
>hey let's drain all the fun out of this simple game by forcing you to play as safe and braindead as possible
Who wants this besides streamers who have nothing better to do than pretend grinding low level boars for days is exciting?
it's a kind of masochism. some people pay a chick to kick them in the balls, others pay blizz to do it instead
>WOW IS FUCKING BACK!
For the 145th time :^)
>WOW IS FUCKING BACK
I see this phrase used in every patch, expansion, or versions release.
>wow thread
>jelly ff 14 chudo tranos have to seeth about the king
Meanwhile FF 14 has less viewers than fucking Heroes of Might and Magic (3,2 vs 4k).
Endwalker was a shit exp compared to Shadowbringers, everyone just quietly stopped play soon after
endwalker was just fucking awful in general, I had to unsub for the first time since heavensward cause there's nothing to do besides raidlog
Endwalker was absolutely unbearably crap compared to every other expac and even ARR. But i can't find a singlw ff chud to admit this, despite it being thw objective truth. First time i unsubbed.
HOMM3 the eternal based kino and Eastern European stalwart
>WE RAN OUT OF CLASSIC CONTENT TO RE-RELEASE AND PEOPLE ARE LEAVING, WAT DO
>JUST RE-RE-RELEASE IT AGAIN FROM THE START, NO ONE'S GONNA NOTICE
>AND PEOPLE ARE LEAVING
You are a moron if you genuinely think that. The whole reason why Blizzard is gonna officially support this HC stuff is because the numbers are going up because of people wanting to play HC.
More like the only people left playing are people so bored they have nothing else to do than play HC.
You just have to think about it logically. HC is very popular for streamers, thus there's a big new influx of people playing classic. Blizzard sees this and immediately jumps onto it to officially support it by developing official HC mode.
Blizzard would not put in any kind of effort if they didn't think there was money to be made. They are doing this because of the influx of players.
>a big new influx of people playing classic
*watching classic and trying to grief streamers
>They are doing this because of the influx of players.
Lmao that not how that works. They are doing it with the HOPE it will bring in more players based off the interest from streamers, not because more players are joining
You're a special kind of retard.
You are the retard here. See
People are leaving retail to play classic, and the devs hate it.
Hardcore will always be extremely niche. They need the pay pigs to keep paying and blizzdrones are a bottomless source.
This is what mental illness looks like, everyone take note
There is no fucking way there is more than 10-20k at most playing HC consistently, even then that is generous. 20k likely 1/40th of their playerbsae.
ARE LEAVING
[citation needed]
>Literally chingchong bots and Multiboxers with 10+ players
>Some even blizzard devs themselves making money of it
>"Full"
Get back to work you lazy chud, your latest patch was shit.
how many of those servers are single faction servers?
None. Servers are clustered together for balanced population.
mines looks different
us and eu are different yes
Who would be a better lay between night elves and blood elves?
gotta catch NEs before WC3 when all the men have been asleep for 10,000 years
>Coked up ultraslut with millennia of experience with the most depraved pleasures
Vs
>Innawoods olympic athlete with severe cock starvation
A legitimately difficult question.
>severe cock starvation
They fucked every animal in the forests and some more
>those lips
good lord
I don't get it, I thought classic already had a hardcore version? It's what all the streamers are playing atm.
Oh god I'd have a fucking panic attack if I was a healer and I let someone die. Fuck that. They'd be harassing me on a new account all month.
Whoever created this hardcore shit deverves to get fucked
Leave that shit to Diablo or other ARPG's
>be healslut
>heal some lvl59 retards in dungeon
>wait till one gay is ~half health
>stop healing
>"brb smoke break"
>I don't even smoke
>Just sit there watching idiot die
>if the group starts to wipe bubblestone out
And then you get banned for griefing. Stupid anime-loving retard.
kek dungoens and raids literally become impossible to do
>literally healer and shaman meta
how does world pvp work here in?
at your own risk. that's why the hc community realms are pve realms.
I want to see a hardcore pvp server
>lol what if we made the mmo a single-player game
Streamerbait garbage.
Are you retarded? People are grouping all the time in HC.
HC servers are going to be so pointless when everyone just boosts to 60
i think they are going to do something about dungeon grinding and boosting.
HC is literally about the journey, not the destination. Nobody gives a fuck about 60. Once you hit 60, you quit or start a new character
>Nobody gives a fuck about 60. Once you hit 60, you quit or start a new character
There's people actually raiding though.
minority
HC grouping is a tedious restrictions made by autists who can't move on from WoW. No one think HC is fun. its a streamer mode for zoomies and their streamer masters.
>you want to trade with me?
>oh, thank you very much dicksucka14 for the 500g!
>lets see what we have in the mail
>8 16 slot bags and 5 stacks of every ore in the game?! than you so much!
>oh, there is more.
>a bunch of enchanting materials and 5 titan flasks!
>i love my community!
they made the addon with streamers in mind.
so how is Blizzard going to fuck this up? Is their version of HC Classic going to be wrong compared to the one that got popular?
>you think you do, but you don't
>now making servers for every fotm fad
Wow has fallen
This is for vanilla WoW?
But vanilla wow is the buggiest version of the game.
Imagine playing for tens of hours just to die because the server went offline or your power died because you were in flight path and you log back in to drop to your death or the enemy you just killed literally respawns back on top of you or you no-clip through the ground on accident or some other stupid vanilla bug
imagine being alive for years and dying in a car accident.
Hardcore is boring as fuck. Autists have added way to many handicaps to try and make this game "hard'. it will never be hard.
>trading with other players outside of one’s immediate group
>the use of auction houses banned
>grouping with other players at random for quests banned
>restrictions surrounding class abilities
>groups must level together at all times
>groups must be duo or trio
Lmao. Who enjoys this shit? its sounds tedious, not hard.
>Who enjoys this shit? its sounds tedious, not hard.
It is mostly tedious. People like the thrill on the one hand, but also like doing low lvl professions and meta gaming a weak low lvl character. they could have had the same effect with low lvl content and gated level progression but blizzard is retarded and so are their fans.
The reason people enjoy hardcore is because it somewhat gets people to play the way blizzard intended in the way that it makes people take every step of the game seriously. when playing non hc you just rush past everything, in hardcore you do everything you can to get stronger so you dont die. The whole idea that you are playing to make yourself as strong as possible at every level is why hc is "fun" in the grindy sense.
stop giving activision money
they should have released fresh months ago.
i hate blizzard.
>bro we have an announcement about HC servers in 2 more weeks
>bro its been 2 weeks!
>out announcement is that we will have hc server lmao
wow thanks for the build up you cunts.
>the spirit healers are ready
for what, not doing absolutely anything?
>He doesn't know
Hardcore wow is all about appealing and having a GM friend to undo your deaths
You know, destiny 2 threads I make are much more authentic than this wow and diablo 4 shit.
they need to just fucking make WOW OSRS not this hardcore crap. just release a molten core knockoff but in the emerald dream or something and have raids auto delete worldbuffs off you on entrance + release gobs or another troll subspecies for horde and high elves for alliance = $$$
boring gay crap
>WoW "Classic"
>Still contains the censored jokes.
>Still contains the censored "problematic" quests.
>Still has the outright removed quests.
>Still has the colour-swapped NPCs.
>Still has the removed "problematic" art and outfits.
No, thank you.
Ok but what is stopping anyone and their friends from making new characters and deleting them immediately upon death right now?
Why does a "hardcore" mode need to exist when this playstyle can already be achieved with little effort? Besides marketing reasons.
literally nothing
People want to play in a world that is hardcore, because otherwise you have to come up with a lot of extra rules to prevent just making it easier (like buying stuff on the market).
So don't use the auction house, then. Is that so hard?
Congratulations, you just promoted unity and working together with guildmates and all it took was NOT doing something.
Everyone needs to be on the same playing field.
Uh huh, and if you're playing with people who are ALSO starting from scratch with you, you would be.
Honor system never works.
Sounds like a trust issue. If you can't get a handful of people doing it now in earnest, what makes you think people will do it simply becasue the rules are hard coded?
You either want to play like that or don't. If you can't keep it up under your own honor, did you really want it to begin with? Will you stick with it?
That's a little silly. I can buy full greens at the appropriate level so I can fight mobs 3 levels higher than me. It's my choices of where I take the gear that determines difficulty, not whether I can buy it or not.
you can do it but others wont
Do they force you to play solo?
Smartest move theyve made in a while honestly. Dragon Flight is a massive dissapointment sales and retention wise, so much so they are trying everything they can to get people in, even unlocking pretty much all races for all different types of classes besides special ones like DH and Envokers.
The only weird thing is that theyll punish people who play the game "Wrong" and grief people, if i were blizzard id make 1 server that was fucking lawless and let them all go at it there
they should have made fresh servers months ago. im convinced they havent because blizzard plays and they want to bully people with their naxx gear.
the endgame is absolutely dead outside of gdkp raids so you have to compete with guys using their 30k gold pools to gear their alts. Cant even get tier 0.5 set because no one runs strat/scholo
Wow is a shit game for shit people. I respect lolfags more because at least they know their game sucks. Fuck you and your gay company who you support with your poor financial decisions.
How the fuck is DF pvp getting popular?
>11k votes
>16%
>less than 2000 people said they like to pvp
>on blizz forums
its not popular
Mythic+ ruined WoW
this 100%
Shitter cope
This list is such bullshit and biased by people who are actually both bad and good enough to use blizz forums. In reality I bet it is something like
questing and leveling > classic raiding > dragonriding > m+ > df raiding > era > pvp > classic pvp > wrath dngeons
Your list is certainly valid if you include casuals but they also dont stay subbing for years. They play addon for month and leave. If you look at their noliver customers top will be naturally the permanent grind content.
If this sample size was 300-400k I would agree with you and say it matters, except 11k is a fucking joke and the poll is posted in a location nobody goes to. I've been an extremely competitive raider for almost every expansion, including classics, but i haven't been to the forums since TBC or maybe WOTLK
>If this sample size was 300-400k I would agree with you and say it matters, except 11k is a fucking joke
Why can't people into math? 11k is a big sample and gives you very accurate results assuming your sampling isn't biased.
And that's most likely an issue (and the only real issue). Forums aren't visited by a random sample of people, but specific types of people are more likely to visit them, like mentioned earlier.
Because 11k is in reference to the second thing you typed dumbfuck. It is the evidence that what was said second is true. Delete your pseudointellectual post you clown
> It is the evidence that what was said second is true
This is absolute nonsense. The size of a sample has absolutely nothing to do with the quality of the sample.
Go back to school and learn math. This is embarrassing.
Ok, let me spell this one out for you. 11k is not a meaningful number because it shows that a huge portion of the players did not vote. When it is posted on the forums - a way to to show that it was a biased location for the vote is that so few people voted. If they had it show up when you logged in and randomly selected 11k votes out of the (higher than 11k) people that would vote, then sure 11k is fine.
Does this make sense for you bud :-)? Let me know if you need some adaptations for your learning.
>11k is not a meaningful number because it shows that a huge portion of the players did not vote
Congrats, you learned about sampling. Only problem is that you can still have a biased sample even if your sample is massive, until your sample reaches effectively the population, at which point it's no longer a sample, but the population itself (and the population is probably somewhere near the numbers that you wanted from the poll). Ie the usual "they should ask literally everyone or it's not accurate".
>a way to to show that it was a biased location for the vote is that so few people voted
Incorrect. The popularity of a place doesn't serve as a proof for how biased or unbiased the sample is. The forum could have 1000 users and serve as a perfect unbiased sample, or 100k users and be extremely biased. It's all dependent on other factors.
Just don't bother mentioning sample size like literally every retard 99% of the time when there's nothing wrong with it. It's a cheap, easy criticism that people use to rationalize their own beliefs when they encounter something that contradicts them.
>repeating the same shit in 4 sentences that I said in 1 in my first post
>doesn't understand voter suppression or in this case a pseudo voter suppression by having the vote on the fucking unused forums
>still responding
Lmao
Classic raiding is giga dead, it only chink alt gdkps and has been for years
i want you to go look at wcl stats for classic and retail and stop coping. of course some of them are chinese gdkps but so are retails and even then classic just blows them the fuck out numerically
Retail doesn't have gdkps you chink simp
Remove chink alts from classic logs and it would collapse, if you look at guild counts its far lower
>Retail doesn't have gdkps
go ahead and screenshot/link me to where there are more guilds in retail than in classic. also you have already outted yourself as not playing the game saying there are no gdkps lmao, gdkps originated from retail and predate classic you fucking moron
>gdkps originated from retail
Yeah 15 years ago, they haven't been a thing since Cata when the game got harder and you couldn't fill 1/2 of the group with paypig carries
>implying retail raids are SO HARD that you cannot sell carries
Bro they have been selling full loot runs, achievements, metas, etc. every single expansion shut the fuck up you lying moron.
Raids are too hard to sell carries to 10 people at once
Something that's not an issue in classic because it's built for low IQ trash
Ok? Are we just saying random meaningless shit right now? Raids are too hard in classic to sell carries to 24 people.
Nobody would join a fucking 10 person gdkp because they would be bid to hell.
No they literally aren't lmao. As usual classcifags in utter denial of how piss easy their game is
>implying you can carry TWENTY FOUR (24) people through classic raids
this bait is so bad you should unironically get up and walk away from the computer you freak
find god
You absolutely can 15 man Molten Core shitter
And 25m Wrath naxx you could carry 24 people so long as they don't literally afk
>And 25m Wrath naxx you could carry 24 people so long as they don't literally afk
u wot m8?
Not the guy you are arguing with, but are you saying that 1 solo guy could carry 24 other people? That ain't true.
>11k votes after 4 days
Oh how the mighty have fallen
Do soulstones work?
It's just WoW... but you can't respawn. Truly revolutionary.
*insert pic of some guy eating shit while giving the camera a thumbs upl*
Everyone is excited for this official hardcore classic. Don't let the overly negative retards who play private servers or didn't want this to happen persuade you to not play the most fun and interesting thing to do with WoW Classic since the original Classic fresh in 2018.
Everyone loves this announcement.
Its only the worst retards here who hate wow forever and still play it who are negative.
Gather some old friends and have fun Ganker. Trust me.
Autists and streamers are 'excited' for this. Everyone else rightly call HC retarded tedium because that exactly what it is. banning shit like Soulstone and reincarnation shows that the game was never intended to be played this way.
>WOW IS FUCKING BACK!
>retoilet so dead people play hc
You love to see it fags and trannies don't sell games
They're gonna monetise buying a resurrection or something, I just fucking know it.
>guys we won't make changes to classic 🙂
>guys we won't have a store 🙂
>guys we may have gotten a store but we won't sell boosts or anything 🙂
Nobody would play there then. I actually hope they use the ironman rule set because those people are the ones who got us the hc server in the first place.
>nobody would keep playing Classic wow if they added lvl boosts or mounts!
my point precisely.
I'm literally playing HC wow (leatherworking) as of typing this, I'm just saying they're gonna find some way to ruin or fuck it up because that's what they do.
would keep playing Classic wow if they added lvl boosts or mounts!
There's a difference between classic cucks and hc players.
cope
They already sold boosts in tbc
They are going to sell resurrection tokens in classic
no they won't
I can see them selling character transfers FROM hardcore servers so you can still play your character but that's about it
Either you "people" are insanely dishonest or you are insanely retarded. As much as Blizzard fucking sucks, they wouldn't sell resurrections like that. Everyone would quit playing their HC mode instantly if they allowed that.
I said that about lvl boosts. "No one would keep playing if there were lvl boosts, it ruins the experience", but nope, classic cruise still going quite strong.
I assume it will be the same with HC, wether they add some kind of "59$ - Start the Hardcore challenge at level 30 with leveled up professions of your choosing!" or some shit. It's just the way of modern Bl*zzard.
I mean sure, people of substance would quit, but what drives both of classic and hc is that it's mainstream now, there are all kinds of players, including the paypiggie casuals, that would probably just keep playing or even encourage it and make use of the function.
>Everyone would quit playing their HC mode instantly
And do what? They'll just Go right back to classic/wrath/retail lmao
If they make it impossible to grief people I won't even bother.
The only motivation I would have to play a hardcore server is to kill other people
>let me be a toxic asshole reeeeeeeeeee
hope they perma ban your entire bnet account
I've been griefing on WoW for years and I've never been banned for a single second.
My favorite was summoning people off the edge of the grand where they couldn't res naturally
you have to be absolutely mindbroken to still play WoW whatever version in 2023
>wotlk client. so all the little nuanced vanilla features that let you power game in off meta ways are gone
>removed "problematic" quest text and npcs
>changed NPCs for SJW reasons
>some class skills dont even interact the way they did in actual vanilla
yeah its shit.
You guys have said WoW is back since Mists of Pandaria a decade ago
MoP was fine. Fun zones.
And that one sucked ass.
Good, that means all the hardcore retards are going back to the official servers and I can enjoy playing on Turtle with a sub 2k playerbase again.
Streamers won bros.
True Ironman or nothing. No fancy magic items, no talents, I'm just playing as a regular grunt
>be mage and do this
>game is still easy as fuck and a snoozefest
>be warrior and do this
>need to eat after literally every single 1v1 pull.
>a single 1v2 pull can kill you with bad RNG
in hardcore you make your own challenge, and if you arent doing a speedrun ironman challenge you might as well allow trading and AH use.
transphobic slurs
>fully covered
just as all good women should be
Girlboss! we can't stop winning sisters!
I'm sure trying to escape the blatant indoctrination by playing the same game only more autistic will work for all you mindbroken addicted gays who refuse to move on.
so the entire game will just be boosting?
I dont get the appeal of WoW HC at all. Making instances roguelike I can see as fun. HC WoW is just weird
>inb4 everyone rolls rogue
i dont understand the point of hardcore. I love classic wow but hardcore just seems like a waste of time
>retail defenders in this thread
The m+ are needlessly complex. They aren't FUN they are tedium challenges - accentuated by the fact that m+ scale so it's not a real reward to beat them. >implying 20s matter not a 22 get gud etc.
The game overall has sucked cock for 3 expansions in a row. Scalies, a dog shit story, and a new dog shit class inclusion only made it worse. I do not remotely care about DF or slands story. Nobody wanted this shit.
>DF RESPECTS UR TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah cool there is fucking nothing to do. There is an inbetween for end shadowlands with 18 systems and currencies, and what we have now.
New talent trees are a meme and are the illusion of more and more interesting choice. They railroad you just as hard if not harder than older trees. They didn't even add new/cool skills while pruning others.
Legion classic WHEN
>crying about m+ and shadowlands being time consuming
>defends Legion
You literally are an NPC. You do not have real opinions or thoughts, you simply regurgitate streamer takes
You missed a key difference here, legion was fun and had many new/unique aspects to the game when it was introduced. Also blizzard retroactively (but too slowly) fixed a lot of the time sink issues. Even then it was far superior to slands. Stop projecting NPC shitposts onto me just because shadowlands and legion both had a lot of systems/currencies
>i-its fun
Meaningless buzzword
Farming AP is not fun. EN, ToV and ToS are not fun. Farming legendaries is not fun
>fixed a lot of the issues
You mean you ate shit for long enough for the issue to resolve itself
It wasn't superior to anything you retarded NPC
Emerald nightmare was not a terrible first raid, you're coping. It just wasn't absolutely insane or wonderful. ToV and ToS were awesome raids, especially ToS. KYS now.
EN sucked and Xavius is one of the worst bosses of all time
>ToS was awesome
post CE or shut the fuck up retard, the raid was absolutely miserable
It will be dead in a few weeks when D4 launches and D4 will be dead in a few weeks once people hit lvl cap and don't want to buy "battle passes"
What's the point when it's in your best interest not to do dungeons; one of the funner parts of vanilla?
There will 100% be griefers
>nobody does that
People were already griefing for lols in classic and now there's actually an incentive
>just join a guild
Doesn't stop a shitter from accidentally pulling shit or not pulling his weight
>just git gud
Healer/tank gets CCd > die
Healing aggro > resists happen > healer dies
This will be exacerbated when you're playing with a hunter/rogue/mage(half the server) and they'd rather save their own skin
>just do it when you're 5 levels over it
Boring
trend chasing does not lead to a better game.
shut up brat I'll childrape you
>the retards are going to level up another character again for the 4673182685th time
you can't make this shit up
NOOOO I CANT DIE ALL THE FUN I HAD PLAYING WILL BE RETROACTIVELY DELETED FROM MY BRAIN NOOOOOOO
not playing, make classic free
what's the point of this, doesn't hardcore have retarded rules about no using the auction house and no grouping allowed?
i swear this hardcore announcement has filtered the shit wow players. look at all of them reeing in this thread.
good, don't play hardcore. go cry. no one cares. we wow genuine ogs will be all over hardcore classic.
cope. kneel.
wow is full of middle aged hair men, why are blizzard shilling everything off female empowerment? they could not just of had a masculine character for a change?
This is a good thing because WoW vanilla is really fun during leveling and not as fun at endgame and this basically ensures there's always people leveling
>Blizzard run HC servers
I cant see how any of this goes right. Its like if Gamefreak released an official Nuzlocke mode. People on reddit are already arguing about trading/parties being allowed because its supposed to be ironman hardcore or nothing
I refuse to believe they would split the classic playerbase like this again with the realize of TotC coming right around the corner.
wowbucks unironically hyping themselves up to play the same version of a game they already played 15 years ago
>NOOOOO, YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO ENJOY THAT MEAL. YOU ALREADY HAD IT ONCE 15 YEARS AGO
>food analogy
>NOOOOO, YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO ENJOY THAT MOVIE. YOU ALREADY WATCHED IT ONCE 15 YEARS AGO
>NOOOOO, YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO ENJOY THAT BOOK. YOU ALREADY READ IT ONCE 15 YEARS AGO
>NOOOOO, YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO ENJOY THAT SIGHTSEEING. YOU ALREADY SAW IT ONCE 15 YEARS AGO
>NOOOOO, YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO ENJOY THAT ALBUM. YOU ALREADY HEARD IT ONCE 15 YEARS AGO
the difference between that and wow is that you can do all that shit for free lmao
I would argue and say you can play wow for free, but the current best private server is ran by a known scammer who allowed it to be moderated by literal trannies that scold you for dancing naked in SW.
still the same game you already played and beat 15 years ago
ok
Food analogies are really the only kind you retarded children understand. Anything else and it's like, DID YOU REALLY JUST COMPARE X TO Y? YOU THINK THEY"RE THE SAME THING? No, I just pointed out aspects of the two which are similar. Everyone understands food though.
>LET ME JUSTIFY GIVING BLIZZARD MONEY IN THE CURRENT YEAR PLEAAAAAASE
People replay games all the time
not mmos, not games with no new content that were already solved decades ago and exist solely to be sold for the nostalgia of when the company that made the game wasnt shit
apparently they do
absolutely insane how dead the MMO genre is. Too expensive to make and too risky to get right. How is it that no one has just made a proper WoW clone at this point? God I can't wait for that ArcheAge private server to come out, I have zero hopes for 2.
>absolutely insane how dead the MMO genre is
The genre is becoming more alive than it has been in the last 10 years.
Blizzard survival game (Semi-MMO ala Rust/Ark, hundreds of players per server)[2024/2025]
Throne and Liberty (Lineage 2 spiritual successor, big PvP focus) [Oct 2023]
Chrono Odyssey - Korean action combat [Late 2023 or 2024]
Pax Dei - ex-EVE devs, fantasy sandbox w/ territorial control [????]
Tarisland - Chinese WoW [Late 2023 or 2024]
Archeage 2 [2024?]
Zenimax Online new MMO (No information, +200 devs) [????]
Aion 2 (PvP focus w/ some PvE) [2024?]
Night Crows (Aiming for 1000 player PvP battles) [Late 2023?]
Corepunk (MMO ala LoL/DotA. Focus on both PvE+PvP) [Likely 2024]
Palia (Casual MMO. Minecraft+Farmville w/ Fortnite graphics) [????]
Project D (Spiritual Dragon Nest sequel, w/ open world) [Likely 2024]
Blue Protocol (Semi-MMO. 30 per zone, 200 per town) ala Tower of Fantasy/Genshin Impact) [Late 2023]
Ashes of Creation (Mix of Archeage/Lineage PvP + Everquest/WoW PvE + territorial control/city building/gathering/crafting) [2025/2026?]
Riot's MMO (No real information) [2025 or beyond]
Dune: Awakening (Logic says Conan Exiles with Dune skin, but described as "THOUSANDS of players") [2024?]
Playable Worlds (Not much information) [????]
Profane (Sandbox MMO. Basically Valheim with PvP) [Likely 2024 at the earliest]
Starkeepers (Sandbox MMO. Territorial control and city building) [????]
Wayfinder (Semi-MMO. Chase loot in PvE dungeons) [Late 2023?]
Soulframe (Semi-MMO. Developers of Warframe) [Probably 2025/2026]
Ashfall (Post-apocalyptic The Division-style MMO) [Late 2023?]
BitCraft (Sandbox MMO with one big procedurally generated world. City building/gathering/crafting) [Maybe 2024]
Project LLL (The Division/Destiny/Warframe mix. Open world PvE+PvP) [2024]
Project ER (Large-scale siege warfare PvP. Territorial control, seamless world) [????]
RF Project (SciFi MMO w/ mechs, open world, PvP-focused, RvRvR ala DAoC) [????]
what that other anon said, it was dead for a couple years and now it's in some sort of insane resurgence because wow is dying and genshit shows that the market is still huge
which faction is the most "incel"? and why?
>We are in a timeline where mobile games have more contents than WoW
People actually still play WoW?
Fucking why? You can't even use sunk cost as an excuse because you're deliberately playing older versions of the thing
when the best game of the genre came out 20 years ago, what else is there
Are they gonna delete soul stone and ankh? Nerf bubble so it’s not long enough to hearth with?
>paying a sub for hardcore
Only a bullet can cure Blizzard Syndrome.
I wouldn't pay a sub for it but I'd play it if it were on gamepass. I don't even have gamepass running now but I would if I could scratch the wow and cod itches once every couple weeks.
That's neat, but I'm still playing Turtle WoW.
turtle wow has a rootkit
Yeah, and Ganker has a super trojan.
Paladin or hunter
Paladin's bubble + hearth wasn't allowed on the unofficial hardcore, but if it's allowed on the official hardcore then it will be easy to survive anything.
However, then you have to deal with playing a paladin. That's a whole different level of boring.
good for hardcore players, but what will this mean for grieferbros?
It's amazing for griefers since they can buy all the gear from bots
I want to see a massive flex game mode where you are required to duel someone to the death at every 10th level or your run is DQ'd.
They need to be the same level obviously.
>reach level 50
>get forcefully teleported to a 1v1 arena
>unable to leave
>everyone else is a shitter and can't reach level 50
>stuck there for hours until someone else is finally forced to duel me
>lose and die
wow fun
Nah not forced like that, you just can't gain any exp until you get your victory. You can pick your opponent as long as they're the same level.
>lose and die
Yeah, one person will, that's what makes it fun.
Retail is so shit even their forum posters are already pissed and bored with the new patch lol.
so its the exact same game only more punishing? do people think this makes them look skilled? because you can use the south park method and get to 60 without any issue
Extremely low standards I see.
What's the appeal of Sodapoppin?
So this is what? the 3rd time Blizzard stole the idea from wow private servers?