He's fundamentally unable to accept his disability and directs his insecurities outward. The reason he's obsessed with building weapons and does not care who he's building them for is that he feels empowered by having so much blood on his hands and still gets to pretend that he's the victim when the blame is to be placed. He could be making the kinds of technology that protect people on the battlefield, we see that he could, he leaves behind notes on the Stealth Camouflage that he never had any intention of sharing with Diamond Dogs' R&D. We know that a relatively minor personal betrayal makes him so angry that he tries to kill his stepdaughter to hurt the people who betrayed him, and still come out of it looking like the victim. The man never got over being unable to walk, even though he had materially solved the consequences for himself multiple times over.
He then frickin punches the mirror so I don't think he's that cool with it I think the smile is more like a 'lmao it got worse' but at the same time he accepts his position hell what else is he gonna do
I think punching the mirror was more that he's literally destroying the identity he was looking at in the mirror just before rather than anger at the deception and lost time. Remember that the real Big Boss had nothing to do with Venom being created and only went along with it because he was 100% fricked otherwise.
The real Big Boss was radiologically castrated, and the Wolbachia destroyed Venom's gamete producing cells. There's a good chance neither of them had a working dick.
This song has always made me picture a man bleeding out with a smile on his face and lightly laughing. Like he won and dying doesn't change anything, like he's satisfied.
No, he did the exact opposite. >You've been going through motions that others have choreographed for you. Find your own beliefs and identity.
Is not the same as >The story I've told up to this point has been guided just as much by you, the player, as it was by me. Now that it's over for sure, thank you for helping me build this.
I always loved Kojima's taste in music, Ground Zeroes use of a Joan Baez song, the david bowie cover song and the whole Death Stranding ost. He knows how to use them effectively and well timed though i think DS struggled with that a bit.
Every single licensed track you can find in the game is directly related to the story
Even the ones where it's not immediately clear that there's a connection like Gloria.
For example, in Gloria >You're always on the run now, running after somebody, you've gotta get him somehow. I think you've got to slow down, before you start to blow it. I think you're headed for a breakdown.
and >I think they got your number, I think they got the alias that you've been living under.
In its original context it's about a woman risking putting off the man she's pursuing with her eagerness.
When applied to The Phantom Pain, it's recontextualized to being about Snake and Miller's relentless pursuit of revenge against both Skull Face and Zero and the low points that befall them and Diamond Dogs as a result of their quest for vengeance.
Even Friday, I'm In Love is relevant.
The Phantom Pain is the proverbial "Friday" to the franchise's whole week, where Metal Gear is the Saturday and it wraps back around to the beginning with Metal Gear 2 and Venom does form a strong connection with Quiet despite the best of reasons not to.
Here's a full analysis if you're interested.
Take On Me:
This one is interesting because the lyrics themselves seem to conflict with the themes of MGSV, being that they're suggestive of "letting go" and emotional healing despite hardship. The stronger connection is in the music video which is inherently inseparable from Take On Me. It features a woman being drawn into an artificial world of her own creation and features mirror symbolism heavily.
>Only Time Will Tell >It really comes as no surprise, to find that you'd planned it all along. I see it now, becomes so clear, your insincerity. And me all starry-eyed. You'd think that I'd have known by now. As sure as the sun will cross the sky, this lie is over. If you were wrong, the brightest ring around the moon will darken when I die.
This was probably the back up for if The Man Who Sold The World wasn't an option or on the short list of trailer options.
>Rebel Yell
I'm conflicted on whether this refers primarily to Quiet as the "Little Dancer" or if it's in reference to Diamond Dogs' and MSF's constant state of Rebellion. Also of note is that it's specifically the 1999 remaster, the year Metal Gear 2 takes place.
>You Spin Me Round (Like A Record)
This could be another recontextualized representation of the relentless pursuit, or it could be a reference to the cyclical nature of Snakes and Bosses. You can also connect this to the series's persistent subtext of homoeroticism, but I don't dare make a serious assertion of that.
>The Final Countdown
The Phantom Pain is the lead up to a foregone conclusion. >We're leaving together, but still it's farewell. Maybe we'll come back to Earth, who can tell?
The lyrics suggest what is likely a suicide mission taken on for ideological purposes. Snake spells this out to Miller in Peace Walker. "For us there is no victory. [Triumph or die,] We don't do either." In MGSV it's established that they do die, so all that's left to them is the refusal of triumph.
>Maneater
Quiet is stated to have inflicted heavy irrecoverable casualties on the Soviet forces in Afghanistan, and it's shown in A Quiet Exit that those forces are retaliating with serious torture as she's in captivity. >She's sitting with you, but her eyes are on the door.
Quiet is established to have an internal conflict between leaving Mother Base, fulfilling the duty set for her in releasing the English parasite and repaying the mercy shown to her by Snake.
>Quiet Life
Surprisingly, this one has nothing to do with the character Quiet, and it's a pretty straight forward connection to the notion that the "quiet life," the most secure, mundane state for Diamond Dogs is still filled with violence and death. >Boys, now the times are changing, the going could get rough. Boys, would that ever cross your mind? >Here we are, stranded. Somehow it seems the same. Beware, here comes the Quiet Life again.
>Love Will Tear Us Apart
The deep and enduring bond of friendship between Big Boss and Miller is broken by the very same deception that the real Big Boss uses to survive and allow Miller to continue his private military ambitions alongside Venom. They are driven apart by what is ultimately a gesture of goodwill, of a certain kind of love. And that it was their love of the abstraction of "the discarded soldier" that led to both the rise and fall of the original Mother Base.
>Too Shy
This one's pretty straight forward as a reference to Quiet, who literally turns invisible and has, like the subject of the song, a very strong reason to keep herself isolated despite the pressures given by those around her. >Kids in America
The connections to MGSV's characters and themes come in the form of a few lines on their own. >Hotshot, give me no problems, much later baby, you'll be saying never mind.
This refers to whatever Ocelot does to convince every single one of the men you abduct to join your cause, even when they have objections despite your reputation. >You know life is cruel, life is never kind. Kind hearts don't make a new story, kind hearts don't grab any glory.
Obviously referring to the jaded attitude of Miller and Snake after the destruction of Mother Base and their personal losses. >The Man Who Sold The World
This one is directly involved in the plot. >True >With a thrill in my head and a pill on my tongue, dissolve the nerves that just begun.
It's subtle, but in addition to Venom being drugged to calm him multiple times in the opening and mislead on the effects of Digoxin, he's also kept in an altered state of consciousness with the Phantom Cigar. >Why do I find it hard to write the next line?
Venom is not the man who will later hold the whole world at threat in Zanzibar Land and is not able to guide the course of history as he believes himself to previously have done.
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Don't forget "Take your seaside arms and write the next line." Mother Base is an armed force at sea, and Venom does go on to build the original Outer Heaven.
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>She Blinded Me With Science
This could just be a remark on Quiet's enhancement by the parasites justifying her exposed design.
By the way, all of the Skulls unit are sexualized, indicating that, rather than an excuse to depict Stephanie Joosten in a provocative way, it's an intentional design choice just as Hideo Kojima claimed. The Armor unit have large powerful body types which appear to have low bodyfat and significant muscle tone, especially in the chest. They wear codpieces and tight, harness like upper clothing. Quiet represents the early stages of the Skulls units' transformation into monsters.
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>Dancing With Tears In My Eyes
Venom and Diamond Dogs are following the path, the same choreography as MSF, but with a deep and unrelenting grief which will not abate.
The fact that I'm still not convinced it was unintentional is a testament to the strength of the themes.
Something that's always bothered me is that in Ground Zeroes, the Deja Vu mission strongly suggests that Kojima's ouster from Konami was already in motion despite the fact that Silent Hills was just about to start development and there was (and still is) a literal recruitment ad for Kojima Productions in the hospital on Cyprus. And now that OD is shown to have direct connections with PT and Silent Hills
If it was any other developer but Kojima, I'd be sure it's just a coincidence, but if anyone in video games were to make the company they're the Vice President of a pariah for the sake of art, it would be Hideo Kojima.
Kept you waiting huh? You stupid Black person
It's not true Snake, I would never say the nword!!
What the frick was his problem?
He's fundamentally unable to accept his disability and directs his insecurities outward. The reason he's obsessed with building weapons and does not care who he's building them for is that he feels empowered by having so much blood on his hands and still gets to pretend that he's the victim when the blame is to be placed. He could be making the kinds of technology that protect people on the battlefield, we see that he could, he leaves behind notes on the Stealth Camouflage that he never had any intention of sharing with Diamond Dogs' R&D. We know that a relatively minor personal betrayal makes him so angry that he tries to kill his stepdaughter to hurt the people who betrayed him, and still come out of it looking like the victim. The man never got over being unable to walk, even though he had materially solved the consequences for himself multiple times over.
I don't get the reference because I never played the game
>big boss ruined my entire life to keep himself safe and comfy?
>heh....cool
>big boss trusted me to share in his legacy and take over his own work?
>heh....cool
>I get to live the life of the man I admired
>AWESOME
He then frickin punches the mirror so I don't think he's that cool with it I think the smile is more like a 'lmao it got worse' but at the same time he accepts his position hell what else is he gonna do
I think punching the mirror was more that he's literally destroying the identity he was looking at in the mirror just before rather than anger at the deception and lost time. Remember that the real Big Boss had nothing to do with Venom being created and only went along with it because he was 100% fricked otherwise.
The Phantom Pain and it's themes of identity are so frickin interesting it filtered millions listen to the tapes people
Midge cover > bowie original
depends. I prefer Udge's vocal but Bowie actually tried to make it sound like a schizophrenic split personality argument.
The man who sold the chins
I have nothing to add to this thread besides the fact that I wish 5 played more like other MGS games instead of feeling like a more generic TPS
He was so hot in this. Imagine how hard his manhood would feel on your hands.
The real Big Boss was radiologically castrated, and the Wolbachia destroyed Venom's gamete producing cells. There's a good chance neither of them had a working dick.
This song has always made me picture a man bleeding out with a smile on his face and lightly laughing. Like he won and dying doesn't change anything, like he's satisfied.
>Thank (You), the player, for being Big Boss!!
Didn't he already do this in MGS2?
No, he did the exact opposite.
>You've been going through motions that others have choreographed for you. Find your own beliefs and identity.
Is not the same as
>The story I've told up to this point has been guided just as much by you, the player, as it was by me. Now that it's over for sure, thank you for helping me build this.
I always loved Kojima's taste in music, Ground Zeroes use of a Joan Baez song, the david bowie cover song and the whole Death Stranding ost. He knows how to use them effectively and well timed though i think DS struggled with that a bit.
Every single licensed track you can find in the game is directly related to the story
Even the ones where it's not immediately clear that there's a connection like Gloria.
For example, in Gloria
>You're always on the run now, running after somebody, you've gotta get him somehow. I think you've got to slow down, before you start to blow it. I think you're headed for a breakdown.
and
>I think they got your number, I think they got the alias that you've been living under.
In its original context it's about a woman risking putting off the man she's pursuing with her eagerness.
When applied to The Phantom Pain, it's recontextualized to being about Snake and Miller's relentless pursuit of revenge against both Skull Face and Zero and the low points that befall them and Diamond Dogs as a result of their quest for vengeance.
Even Friday, I'm In Love is relevant.
The Phantom Pain is the proverbial "Friday" to the franchise's whole week, where Metal Gear is the Saturday and it wraps back around to the beginning with Metal Gear 2 and Venom does form a strong connection with Quiet despite the best of reasons not to.
kojima is truly ahead of the curve
Here's a full analysis if you're interested.
Take On Me:
This one is interesting because the lyrics themselves seem to conflict with the themes of MGSV, being that they're suggestive of "letting go" and emotional healing despite hardship. The stronger connection is in the music video which is inherently inseparable from Take On Me. It features a woman being drawn into an artificial world of her own creation and features mirror symbolism heavily.
>Only Time Will Tell
>It really comes as no surprise, to find that you'd planned it all along. I see it now, becomes so clear, your insincerity. And me all starry-eyed. You'd think that I'd have known by now. As sure as the sun will cross the sky, this lie is over. If you were wrong, the brightest ring around the moon will darken when I die.
This was probably the back up for if The Man Who Sold The World wasn't an option or on the short list of trailer options.
>Rebel Yell
I'm conflicted on whether this refers primarily to Quiet as the "Little Dancer" or if it's in reference to Diamond Dogs' and MSF's constant state of Rebellion. Also of note is that it's specifically the 1999 remaster, the year Metal Gear 2 takes place.
>You Spin Me Round (Like A Record)
This could be another recontextualized representation of the relentless pursuit, or it could be a reference to the cyclical nature of Snakes and Bosses. You can also connect this to the series's persistent subtext of homoeroticism, but I don't dare make a serious assertion of that.
>The Final Countdown
The Phantom Pain is the lead up to a foregone conclusion.
>We're leaving together, but still it's farewell. Maybe we'll come back to Earth, who can tell?
The lyrics suggest what is likely a suicide mission taken on for ideological purposes. Snake spells this out to Miller in Peace Walker. "For us there is no victory. [Triumph or die,] We don't do either." In MGSV it's established that they do die, so all that's left to them is the refusal of triumph.
>Maneater
Quiet is stated to have inflicted heavy irrecoverable casualties on the Soviet forces in Afghanistan, and it's shown in A Quiet Exit that those forces are retaliating with serious torture as she's in captivity.
>She's sitting with you, but her eyes are on the door.
Quiet is established to have an internal conflict between leaving Mother Base, fulfilling the duty set for her in releasing the English parasite and repaying the mercy shown to her by Snake.
>Quiet Life
Surprisingly, this one has nothing to do with the character Quiet, and it's a pretty straight forward connection to the notion that the "quiet life," the most secure, mundane state for Diamond Dogs is still filled with violence and death.
>Boys, now the times are changing, the going could get rough. Boys, would that ever cross your mind?
>Here we are, stranded. Somehow it seems the same. Beware, here comes the Quiet Life again.
>Love Will Tear Us Apart
The deep and enduring bond of friendship between Big Boss and Miller is broken by the very same deception that the real Big Boss uses to survive and allow Miller to continue his private military ambitions alongside Venom. They are driven apart by what is ultimately a gesture of goodwill, of a certain kind of love. And that it was their love of the abstraction of "the discarded soldier" that led to both the rise and fall of the original Mother Base.
>Too Shy
This one's pretty straight forward as a reference to Quiet, who literally turns invisible and has, like the subject of the song, a very strong reason to keep herself isolated despite the pressures given by those around her.
>Kids in America
The connections to MGSV's characters and themes come in the form of a few lines on their own.
>Hotshot, give me no problems, much later baby, you'll be saying never mind.
This refers to whatever Ocelot does to convince every single one of the men you abduct to join your cause, even when they have objections despite your reputation.
>You know life is cruel, life is never kind. Kind hearts don't make a new story, kind hearts don't grab any glory.
Obviously referring to the jaded attitude of Miller and Snake after the destruction of Mother Base and their personal losses.
>The Man Who Sold The World
This one is directly involved in the plot.
>True
>With a thrill in my head and a pill on my tongue, dissolve the nerves that just begun.
It's subtle, but in addition to Venom being drugged to calm him multiple times in the opening and mislead on the effects of Digoxin, he's also kept in an altered state of consciousness with the Phantom Cigar.
>Why do I find it hard to write the next line?
Venom is not the man who will later hold the whole world at threat in Zanzibar Land and is not able to guide the course of history as he believes himself to previously have done.
Don't forget "Take your seaside arms and write the next line." Mother Base is an armed force at sea, and Venom does go on to build the original Outer Heaven.
>She Blinded Me With Science
This could just be a remark on Quiet's enhancement by the parasites justifying her exposed design.
By the way, all of the Skulls unit are sexualized, indicating that, rather than an excuse to depict Stephanie Joosten in a provocative way, it's an intentional design choice just as Hideo Kojima claimed. The Armor unit have large powerful body types which appear to have low bodyfat and significant muscle tone, especially in the chest. They wear codpieces and tight, harness like upper clothing. Quiet represents the early stages of the Skulls units' transformation into monsters.
>Dancing With Tears In My Eyes
Venom and Diamond Dogs are following the path, the same choreography as MSF, but with a deep and unrelenting grief which will not abate.
>puts you in africa
>doesnt let you kill Black person children
Erm yeah game dropped
>I GAYZED A GAYZLEY STAIR
>But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother.
- 1984
I wonder if Konami even realize that they destroyed the greatest art project in a history of mankind.
The fact that I'm still not convinced it was unintentional is a testament to the strength of the themes.
Something that's always bothered me is that in Ground Zeroes, the Deja Vu mission strongly suggests that Kojima's ouster from Konami was already in motion despite the fact that Silent Hills was just about to start development and there was (and still is) a literal recruitment ad for Kojima Productions in the hospital on Cyprus. And now that OD is shown to have direct connections with PT and Silent Hills
If it was any other developer but Kojima, I'd be sure it's just a coincidence, but if anyone in video games were to make the company they're the Vice President of a pariah for the sake of art, it would be Hideo Kojima.
He's so handsome