Behold. I got like a thousand BP from the Battle Factory before getting the Gold Symbol. I got completely fricked there because I was playing the Japanese version without understanding much of the language.
I finished the gen 3 one, almost done with the gen 4 one (frick battle factory) and also have and have no interest in playing it anymore unless they put it in a generation where it doesn't take 20 hours to legitimately make a decent team with the proper EVs.
>played some tower >got pretty far, got silver but didn't get close to gold >just got bored and gave up >tried out factory >got bored even faster >tried arena >realized pokemon battles for the sake of battles that don't really require any strategy other than just hoping the AI didn't throw some bullshit at me wasn't actually all that fun >gave up and didn't even bother with gen 4's
You should watch LRXC's Factory streams. He goes very in depth on his thought process in battles and choosing mons. If you use a spreadsheet, a lot of things are very predictable. Even without one, you would know to prepare for bad types like water, dragon, or ice and bad move hints like high risk high return with some prior battle experience.
If RNG is enough to destroy your team then it wasn't a good team.
Getting a 50 streak is easy as frick.
The quick claw OHKO moves killing more than 1 Pokemon is extremely low occurrence only remembered so strongly because of negativity bias
I probably could've beaten it with my team, I was using Salamence, Milotic and Metagross.
It was just a matter of interest. I lost the Battle Tower streak to bullshit and then climbing back up I just thought 'this is really fricking boring' and quit.
Yes. I knew you were going to bring up Werster too.
Swampert/Metagross/Latios is just the fastest team to throw together, you know, because he's speedrunning? It's not the most optimal party possible, that depends on the facility.
Speed is not all that matters for efficiency otherwise you wouldn't even be whining about RNG. Think about each member of the team and what they do: >Latios: Fast Damage Dealer, ok bulk, can't heal >Metagross: Slow Damage Dealer, good bulk, can't heal >Swampert: Slow Damage Dealer, good bulk, can't heal
The team just shits out damage, the second you get statused it starts falling apart and that's why everyone b***hes about RNG.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Swap Metagross for Blissey >Still can get raped by evasion cheese >Still can get raped by Walrein >Still can miss crucial moves
Hmmm...
6 months ago
Anonymous
Just keep telling the class how you don't know how to teambuild but that's the Frontier's fault somehow.
6 months ago
Anonymous
I don't particularly enjoy running teams that are carried by one damage dealer.
6 months ago
Anonymous
low IQ "i just wanna spam high damage attacks" player
6 months ago
Anonymous
>low IQ
but enough about playing the Frontier as opposed to a battle simulator for (admittingly) one of the better metagames for singles
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Im a SUPERIOR real pvp meta player, but i struggle in the much easier battle tower and cry about rng
lmao
6 months ago
Anonymous
>but i struggle
Inform me to when I've ever said I struggle with one of the Frontier facilities.
Depends on what you mean by efficient. Do you want to go fast? You'd use a hyper offense team like the speedrun does. Do you want a longer streak in the Tower? You'd use a stall team. Do you want to play without manip? Exarion's current manipless route uses different Pokemon and even then it's questionable.
Getting a 50 streak is easy as frick.
The quick claw OHKO moves killing more than 1 Pokemon is extremely low occurrence only remembered so strongly because of negativity bias
>ok how many of you have actually played the battle frontier?
I played both the Gen 3 Frontier and the Gen 4 Frontier. I completed Silver in both. I got a few gold's in Gen 3 as well.
But recently, I have noticed the REAL problem with both Battle Frontiers: they both lack a Super Line where you only fight fully evolved Pokemon. In both Battle Frontiers, you need to have 21 fricking battles against NFE Pokemon, BEFORE the strong fully evolved Pokemon begin to appear. And every time you lose, you start from zero. I think this is horrible, and it takes away most of the fun from the Battle Frontiers.
This is way battle facilities like the SM/USUM Battle Tree or the BW/BW2 Battle Subway, are OBJECTIVELY better than the Battle Frontier, even if they have less "variety".
I think that's the "Elephant in the room" that nobody talks about.
For the Factory, the early battles let you swap Pokemon more, which give you better mons in the next draft if you swapped enough. It really helps in the last few sets in gen 4 L50 when group 2 open level mons are utter trash.
Oh, man, let me tell you about the Battle Frontier in Pokemon. It's like this twisted carnival of madness, where the Pokemon are plotting against you, and the trainers have this secret alliance with the bushes. Yeah, the bushes, man! They whisper tactics to the trainers, and you can't trust anything – not even the Caterpie that looks at you funny.
You enter this virtual maze of confusion, and the Battle Factory is like a parallel universe where your Pokemon are secretly aliens trying to communicate with you through Morse code. Beep boop beep, my Blastoise is probably an intergalactic spy, man. And don't get me started on the Battle Pike – it's like a snake charmer's nightmare! You walk in, and the walls start closing in on you, and you're not sure if it's real or just some digital illusion.
Then there's the Battle Dome, a coliseum of cosmic proportions where the Pokemon are the gladiators, and the trainers are just spectators with popcorn. And the Battle Arena? It's like a psychological mind game. You think you're in control, but the Jigglypuff in the corner is actually the puppet master pulling the strings of reality.
The Battle Palace, oh dear Arceus, it's like a haunted house where your emotions are the ghosts, and they're playing hide-and-seek with your sanity. You try to strategize, but the Haunter of doubt keeps creeping up behind you, whispering that your Charizard is actually a Ditto in disguise.
I swear, the Battle Frontier is like a fever dream where reality and fantasy dance a tango, and you're left wondering if your Pikachu is plotting a rebellion against your authority. It's a chaotic symphony of confusion, and the only way out is to ride a Tauros into the sunset while wearing a tinfoil hat to protect yourself from the psychic waves. Gotta catch 'em all, right? More like gotta escape this psychedelic nightmare!
>have multiple high-difficulty battle facilities in gens 3 and 4 when getting good IVs is basically a crapshoot >gen 6 rolls around and makes IV breeding for perfect stats actually feasible >we never get a battle frontier in that gen or ever afterward
I will never forgive Game Freak, this is why I only ever really played in the battle factories.
I thought 3's was kinda boring, but I really enjoyed 4's. The Battle Factory in particular was my favorite part, sunk tons of hours into both games' Battle Factories.
I did, though I was too young to really get what was going on, I didn't know about natures and EV training so I just used Pokemon I raised normally or thought were strong, I remember getting a Silver against Tucker, Emerald had a replay feature and I saved the fight just so I could listen to the Frontier Brain music over and over.
I think if a BF was in a modern title I'd definitely tryhard at it.
>I think if a BF was in a modern title I'd definitely tryhard at it.
This. I screwed around with it as a kid, but it was wasn’t really accessible enough for me at the time. It’s crazy to me that they haven’t delivered a proper frontier since breeding and training were streamlined in Gen 6 (and keep getting easier). I’ve cleared every facility since then (Tree is the best among them). More variety would be nice.
No one
i put over a thousand hours in both. any more questions?
Which one do you prefer?
gigiti
4's for the tougher factory
I ummm....I think I played the Battle Factory a few times and the Battle Palace once.
zoomer thread
Rent free
I'm working on it
Behold. I got like a thousand BP from the Battle Factory before getting the Gold Symbol. I got completely fricked there because I was playing the Japanese version without understanding much of the language.
I spent a few tens of hours in each facility.
Too hard for me, never got any of the symbols.
I finished the gen 3 one, almost done with the gen 4 one (frick battle factory) and also have and have no interest in playing it anymore unless they put it in a generation where it doesn't take 20 hours to legitimately make a decent team with the proper EVs.
Me, I had to breed to get egg moves
>played some tower
>got pretty far, got silver but didn't get close to gold
>just got bored and gave up
>tried out factory
>got bored even faster
>tried arena
>realized pokemon battles for the sake of battles that don't really require any strategy other than just hoping the AI didn't throw some bullshit at me wasn't actually all that fun
>gave up and didn't even bother with gen 4's
You should watch LRXC's Factory streams. He goes very in depth on his thought process in battles and choosing mons. If you use a spreadsheet, a lot of things are very predictable. Even without one, you would know to prepare for bad types like water, dragon, or ice and bad move hints like high risk high return with some prior battle experience.
Why would you ever suggest a stream of a guy making one turn decision every twenty minutes
Because he explains how he prepares for all the dumb bullshit that could come next.
I probably could've beaten it with my team, I was using Salamence, Milotic and Metagross.
It was just a matter of interest. I lost the Battle Tower streak to bullshit and then climbing back up I just thought 'this is really fricking boring' and quit.
If RNG is enough to destroy your team then it wasn't a good team.
Is that why Werster has numerous videos of him getting fricked over in the Gen 3 Frontier?
Yes. I knew you were going to bring up Werster too.
Swampert/Metagross/Latios is just the fastest team to throw together, you know, because he's speedrunning? It's not the most optimal party possible, that depends on the facility.
>is just the fastest team to throw togethe
How is the most efficient team not the best for a single-player mode?
>Speedrun
Speed is important for efficiency, yes.
Speed doesn't mean good.
He accepts a large amount of risk for speed.
The best teams for BT are safe
Speed is not all that matters for efficiency otherwise you wouldn't even be whining about RNG. Think about each member of the team and what they do:
>Latios: Fast Damage Dealer, ok bulk, can't heal
>Metagross: Slow Damage Dealer, good bulk, can't heal
>Swampert: Slow Damage Dealer, good bulk, can't heal
The team just shits out damage, the second you get statused it starts falling apart and that's why everyone b***hes about RNG.
>Swap Metagross for Blissey
>Still can get raped by evasion cheese
>Still can get raped by Walrein
>Still can miss crucial moves
Hmmm...
Just keep telling the class how you don't know how to teambuild but that's the Frontier's fault somehow.
I don't particularly enjoy running teams that are carried by one damage dealer.
low IQ "i just wanna spam high damage attacks" player
>low IQ
but enough about playing the Frontier as opposed to a battle simulator for (admittingly) one of the better metagames for singles
>Im a SUPERIOR real pvp meta player, but i struggle in the much easier battle tower and cry about rng
lmao
>but i struggle
Inform me to when I've ever said I struggle with one of the Frontier facilities.
Depends on what you mean by efficient. Do you want to go fast? You'd use a hyper offense team like the speedrun does. Do you want a longer streak in the Tower? You'd use a stall team. Do you want to play without manip? Exarion's current manipless route uses different Pokemon and even then it's questionable.
Getting a 50 streak is easy as frick.
The quick claw OHKO moves killing more than 1 Pokemon is extremely low occurrence only remembered so strongly because of negativity bias
I played Ruby as a teenager and never bought Emerald.
I played the Platinum and HGSS Frontier a ton.
Most of my time was spent in Plat battle tower. Hundreds of hours.
Highest Streak was around 120ish iirc
>ok how many of you have actually played the battle frontier?
I played both the Gen 3 Frontier and the Gen 4 Frontier. I completed Silver in both. I got a few gold's in Gen 3 as well.
But recently, I have noticed the REAL problem with both Battle Frontiers: they both lack a Super Line where you only fight fully evolved Pokemon. In both Battle Frontiers, you need to have 21 fricking battles against NFE Pokemon, BEFORE the strong fully evolved Pokemon begin to appear. And every time you lose, you start from zero. I think this is horrible, and it takes away most of the fun from the Battle Frontiers.
This is way battle facilities like the SM/USUM Battle Tree or the BW/BW2 Battle Subway, are OBJECTIVELY better than the Battle Frontier, even if they have less "variety".
I think that's the "Elephant in the room" that nobody talks about.
For the Factory, the early battles let you swap Pokemon more, which give you better mons in the next draft if you swapped enough. It really helps in the last few sets in gen 4 L50 when group 2 open level mons are utter trash.
>ITT: The most cancerous fanbase
best facility music coming through
Oh, man, let me tell you about the Battle Frontier in Pokemon. It's like this twisted carnival of madness, where the Pokemon are plotting against you, and the trainers have this secret alliance with the bushes. Yeah, the bushes, man! They whisper tactics to the trainers, and you can't trust anything – not even the Caterpie that looks at you funny.
You enter this virtual maze of confusion, and the Battle Factory is like a parallel universe where your Pokemon are secretly aliens trying to communicate with you through Morse code. Beep boop beep, my Blastoise is probably an intergalactic spy, man. And don't get me started on the Battle Pike – it's like a snake charmer's nightmare! You walk in, and the walls start closing in on you, and you're not sure if it's real or just some digital illusion.
Then there's the Battle Dome, a coliseum of cosmic proportions where the Pokemon are the gladiators, and the trainers are just spectators with popcorn. And the Battle Arena? It's like a psychological mind game. You think you're in control, but the Jigglypuff in the corner is actually the puppet master pulling the strings of reality.
The Battle Palace, oh dear Arceus, it's like a haunted house where your emotions are the ghosts, and they're playing hide-and-seek with your sanity. You try to strategize, but the Haunter of doubt keeps creeping up behind you, whispering that your Charizard is actually a Ditto in disguise.
I swear, the Battle Frontier is like a fever dream where reality and fantasy dance a tango, and you're left wondering if your Pikachu is plotting a rebellion against your authority. It's a chaotic symphony of confusion, and the only way out is to ride a Tauros into the sunset while wearing a tinfoil hat to protect yourself from the psychic waves. Gotta catch 'em all, right? More like gotta escape this psychedelic nightmare!
>have multiple high-difficulty battle facilities in gens 3 and 4 when getting good IVs is basically a crapshoot
>gen 6 rolls around and makes IV breeding for perfect stats actually feasible
>we never get a battle frontier in that gen or ever afterward
I will never forgive Game Freak, this is why I only ever really played in the battle factories.
I thought 3's was kinda boring, but I really enjoyed 4's. The Battle Factory in particular was my favorite part, sunk tons of hours into both games' Battle Factories.
>My mom's pokemon stadium
No thanks, I was busy with colosseum
I did. Was fun. While it was entirely optional, you still felt like you had to get the gold symbols and that added a lot of time to your post game.
I did, though I was too young to really get what was going on, I didn't know about natures and EV training so I just used Pokemon I raised normally or thought were strong, I remember getting a Silver against Tucker, Emerald had a replay feature and I saved the fight just so I could listen to the Frontier Brain music over and over.
I think if a BF was in a modern title I'd definitely tryhard at it.
>I think if a BF was in a modern title I'd definitely tryhard at it.
This. I screwed around with it as a kid, but it was wasn’t really accessible enough for me at the time. It’s crazy to me that they haven’t delivered a proper frontier since breeding and training were streamlined in Gen 6 (and keep getting easier). I’ve cleared every facility since then (Tree is the best among them). More variety would be nice.
i have technically but the pike is the only one ive spent more than 5 minutes on
Got all gold symbols. Having exclusive secret base decorations and tutor moves really encouraged me to grind the content as a kid.
I consider myself an aficionado of the Battle Pike.
I beat Lucy with my team of Swampert, Latias and Beautifly. Good times
I got brainrot playing it on a 360Chrism emulator with a twitch chat client. I can see why Gamefreak was hesitant to bring it back in ORAS.
Everyone. Stop shilling.
I do remember beating the Battle Pyramid as a kid. The frontier boss had the three Regis, so I guess I got the silver badge.
I also remember beating the woman in the giant Seviper building
kino lobby
I literally played each for fricking years.