Ok let's settle it.
Who's fault was it really that humanity was doomed?
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Who's fault was it really that humanity was doomed?
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society is to blame.
Probably the gay who has to hide his recessed chin with a beard
Lmao man some of you guys are so obsessed with your weird image of masculinity
dr wawee
Zero was the obvious superior creation so it was obivously Light's fault
WHAT WAS HER NAME?
DOESN'T MATTER.
Huh, what
Isn't megaman zero the games where humanity is doomed? What do Wily and Light have to do with it?
Wily made Zero and the Sigma virus
Light Made X and gave robots free will
Wily stole Light's designs for X and made Zero and the virus, which was the catalyst for the world going to shit during/after the X series.
Ohhhhh. I thought it was some kind of glitch or bug that evolved into a virus from the poorly copied suffering circuts that every reploid had. And Sigma virus cause he had it the longest. Or something
Never actually looked up the lore. And forgot all about roboenza
did you really forget megamans ability stealing
that would already tell you where sigma was actually made from
Wily's project gets rejected over Light's project
Wily makes Light's robots bad
Wily makes his own robots that are bad
Wily makes Zero and the Sigma Virus as a fallback
Light makes a robot with true free will known, X
Robots with free will starts fighting humans
Zero wakes up, causes Sigma Virus to spread, causes Reploids to turn Maverick
Huge wars occur.
Zero puts himself into isolation because he learns the Sigma Virus is actually the Zero Virus.
Eventually something called cyber elfs stop this.
Zero is reawoken by Ciel a human.
X is the new world god
X starts saying anyone who opposes him are mavericks, even humans
Zero learns that X is actually dead but not really but also X isn't actually X
X has a bunch of duplicates of him made
Bunch of wars occur.
Ciel invents biometals, that carries souls of reploids, such as X and Zero.
People who can fuse with biometals are called "Megamans"
Humans and Reploids start working out their issues and Reploids give themselves fake lifespans, and Humans start augmenting themselves with cybernetics.
Something something Wiel Biometal is somehow related to Wily or something.
Several wars occur.
Many years pass.
Humans are dead, and all humans you meet in Megaman Legends are actually just these things called Carbons.
Carbons are regularly culled by Megamans, but who are not the same as the biometal fusing "Megamans" above, like Megaman Volnutt.
Actually there is only 1 human left, known as the Master and he lives on the moon.
Megaman Volnutt kills Master.
This reads like a bad 90s adaptation of Megaman, written by the directors of the old Mario movie.
Kino
>Megaman Volnutt kills Master.
Only technically. He brought him to Earth not knowing he would die outside of Elysium's preservation systems. And he did it at the Master's request. Really, The Master committed assisted sudoku.
Man I forgot how good legend plot is
And to early X series as well
X5 will always be the most kino one for me
I like the ZX games but man the plot goes full moron when we get to ZX.
>Isn't megaman zero the games where humanity is doomed? What do Wily and Light have to do with it?
Robot timeline, part of the same continuity. Humanity is long gone by Legends.
Thar's dumb, there are humans in Legends.
Those are carbons, pic related was the only genuine human I recall from Legends.
Correct. The Master is the last human who ever lived, or ever will live.
Go play Legends 2 right fricking now.
Legends 2 sucks and is highly overrated
>Linear dungeons
>Big world that somehow felt smaller than the singular tiny island in Legends 1
>Enemies and bosses weren't upgraded to compensate for the upgraded combat
>Status effects
>Smaller models means most things look uglier compared to Legends 1
>Tossed in a bunch of characters from the Bonne spinoff game assuming that you played it and didn't even give vague explanations on why they were there
>Glyde and his goon squad also added nothing to the game other than being annoying
>Reversal of all the character growth from Legends 1
>Status effects
>Tossed in a bunch of characters from the Bonne spinoff game assuming that you played it
Huh? Who? I literally don't remember anyone from Misadventures showing up. And I played Misadventures after 2 so clearly it didn't require you to play that first.
The only complaints I'll give you is status effects, and always going to new cities doesn't have the same impact as the ever-changing main town from 1. Nino water ruin is a drag for being so slow, too.
He probably means Glyde or whatever the guy with the birdbots was called that played a main role in Tron Bonne.
Oh, right. Glyde did show up in Misadventures first. But it's not treated like obfuscated lore. It's just someone you might or might not have met before. Nobody expects you to play Misadventures, not even Capcom. I can't imagine getting this bent out of shape because a side game introduced someone.
Yes but
>You can kick a pig for 20 minutes to turn evil and it affects how characters speak to you
>Tossed in a bunch of characters from the Bonne spinoff game assuming that you played it and didn't even give vague explanations on why they were there
Then where was the best character from Tron's game at?
Yeha Legends 2 was the first one I played, but going back to 1 and even Misadventures made me lament how much better they were in every single possible concievable way except maybe the combat, which is awful in every game regardless. Now I'm all nostalgic for 2, which I know for a fact is the worst one by far.
>by far
You guys are so melodramatic. Legends 2 is full of great ideas and fun characters.
>But status effects!!
You literally have a sub-item that negates them instantly.
Legends 2 is somehow better but worse.
>Subweapons are actually useful now
>Buster pieces feel less moronic. It's no longer possible to make the game unwinnable by not haivng enough range on your gun.
>Though there's like zero choice for headgear/armor besides what's readily available I like there's some thought put into foot parts and adaptors. Do you sacrifice speed for lava resistance? Do you sacrifice the power in your buster for the ability to resist both Fire and Electric attacks?
>Sepcial weapons don't become useless once you run out, And weapon refills from the shops are actually useful to have now
>On top of the game no longer being piss easy you can have adaptive difficulty by proving yourself through the Ruins tests
But then you also have some problems generated from Capcom trying to fix problems from MML that weren't really problems.
>You get the Dash Boots way too early. It trvializes most battles on the surface because you can just skate past them
>The otherwise situational Drill Arms gets way too much use early game. You're supposed to be experimenting with cool sub weapons but since e-girltemsdontworkunderwater you're forced to Drill arm your way through the first two dungeons. And you miss some good swag if you don't bring the Drill Arm for Manda Ruins as well. This is like half the game.
>You still get items from scrounging around in the trash. This was fine in the first game because it encouraged you to explore but in Legends 2 it just feels like you just get punished for not checking everything in sight.
>Saul Kadaa and Manda are both great designs that encourage you to leave and make new subweapons, Nino and Calinca are both long and super linear trashfires where you'll mostly end up going in, getting to the bottom floor then regretting you didn't bring a better weapon. Granted Calinca does have a useful shortcut but in order to actually use it you need to backtrack out of the entire dungeon first which is REALLY bad design
Early dash boots are arguably necessary because it's kind of excruciating to go back to not having them after playing MML1.
>Humanity is long gone by Legends.
What!????
Does that mean that the Roll I see in screenshots does NOT have a functioning womb and pussy?
This is unacceptable!
>what is an artificial womb
It means she has a hyperadvanced biomechanical pussy designed for easy back and forth organic-to-technological modification. The distinction between "human" and "android" is basically obsolete by the time of Legends.
You see that robot over there? You can breed it
You are kind of inflexible in your definitions of "artificial and real." Carbons give birth. They do everything a human does. Which is probably why The Master didn't see a need to delete them.
Deez
Wily because he liked to play fast and loose with science, working more on the the way of thinking can he do it rather if he should. This lead to him being shunned by the scientific community and going rogue. Light was more focused on what he could do to help humanity.
the people less intelligent than these two
I treat Zero 4 as the conclusion to the whole series and Wily's robot saved the world in the end
I just pretend Model W sank into the ocean for real.
Legends is a really cool 'epilogue' series that is only loosely connected to the overarching plot so it's alright but ZX is completely unneeded. ZXA is fricking garbage game and ZX is just mediocre and worse than any of the Zero games. All these games do is ruin Zero 4's ending
I like legends but i like to think of it as it's own thing, having it be the endpoint of the timeline is too depressing to think that Lights work even partially led to humanitys extinction
Legends definitely can be treated as its own thing, like Battle Network and Star Force. Hell, aside from some obscure callbacks that most people are not even aware of due to the localization being shit, It's not connected to the 'main' series
>ruin Zero 4's ending
Not really. Zero 4 ended with peace between Reploids and Humans. The effort of that is still present in ZX. Also ZXA is kino, kys.
>b-but the pseudoroids
Just don't use them
based and zeropilled. this was a fitting send off to the overarching series.
As much as i like ZX and ZXA, yeah, it was kino, both zero and x gone, their missions and saga concluded.
dr.weil was dr.wily though
I never played the Zero games but I’m confused. Wouldn’t Wily be dead at that point? I know Light only exists as an AI with snippets of info for X
Don't be, because that's just a moronic theory
I honestly see Wily not caring for Wiel.
I could see it as evil vs oblivion (durr tvtropes). Like how in the comics Wily got prissy at Eggman during the crossover for trying to kill Light as a loose end when Wily's entire rage against the machine is to show Light up which he can't do if he's loldead.
Of course he was willing to make Earth uninhabitable just to complete Zero so eh.
I can see Wily not caring about collateral damage but he still wants to tell people "I'M THE BEST AND LIGHT EATS DICK!!"
He isn't, not sure where that anon took that from, inafune said himself that he had no connection to wily
Weil and Wily are completely unrelated.
Wily is long dead by the zero series, but may have uploaded himself to a machine to keep causing trouble during the X series depending on how you interpret some cut scenes.
Wily is hinted to be involved in the X series. Serges of the X-Hunters has dialogue in the JP version hinting that he's Wily or has knowledge that Wily would know (calling X "Rockman", mentioning Light). It makes further sense since X2 is when Sigma reveals that he knows Zero was created by Wily.
X5 further hints at it by Sigma's final body being a reference to Gamma from MM3, with Sigma's lines hinting that he knows someone who hates X too.
That said, while it's been said or hinted that Wily lives on through the Virus, Weil is said to be unrelated to Wily.
Don't forget this mofo who also knows Zero's body inside out and cums buckets when he kills High Max
He even had the same Japanese voice actor that Wily had.
Why did X7 and X8 completely forget about this
I'm guessing Inafune was largely carrying that plotline. Additionally X7 focused entirely on Axl while X8 focused largely on the new-gen reploids in general and the theme of the future, neither of which really have to do with the Wily plotline. So Isoc and X5 are as close to a wrap-up to that plotline as you'll get.
Inafune literally didn't know X6 was being made. It may as well be fanfiction.
Well, then that leaves X5, but that doesn't resolve that plotline either.
When I say he was a monster,
What I set fire to his name...
>Sigma's lines hinting that he knows someone who hates X too.
Not just that. He says that person helped making him a new body.
No, Weil was an actual human who lived before the Zero series iirc. He isn't Wily unless Wily is like fricking Ganondorf or some shit and gets reincarnated
>Some humans, such as the scientist Dr. Weil, were dissatisfied with this solution and believed the Maverick Wars proved Reploids could never be trusted, even with the Sigma Virus gone. Thus, Weil proposed his own Project Elpizo to put all Reploids under human control. When he was turned down, Weil sought to prove the unreliability of Reploids and secretly corrupted the Mother Elf into the Dark Elf, starting the hellish Elf Wars which wiped out 60% of all humans and 90% of all Reploids in a span of four years. Though Weil was eventually brought to justice, this cataclysmic war led to the events of the Mega Man Zero series.
Man 60% of fricking everyone dead, what an absolutely hellish turn of events
And by the time Legends starts almost everyone is dead lmao. Legends 3 would probably end with a big bang that would erase everything that's left
Meanwhile, in the BNverse
>humanity lives happily ever after in a highly advanced utopian society, having pokemon battles with their smartphones' AI personal assistants who are made of radio waves and shit
Truly Dr.Light getting a robotics degree was the greatest disaster in history.
his name wasn't even weil in japanese, it was vile
they couldn't use it here because we already had a vile
vile wasn't even vile in japanese, it was vava/baba
they couldn't use it here because we already had a baba fett
What was baba fett in Japan tho
>Dr. Light
>Pushed for humans and robots co-existing
>Created robots to help mankind
>Gave his robot son the means to save the world.
>Created a robot with free will and left him in stasis until the world was ready.
>Dr. Wily
>Reprogrammed Light's robots to go on rampages
>In general caused chaos out of sheer butthurt that Light was better than him.
>Created Zero who, judging by his programming in X5/Omega in the Zero series, was meant to frick everything up.
>Created the Zero Virus, which mutates into the Maverick/Sigma Virus, which goes on to frick everything up.
>Actively helps Sigma (whose infection and heel turn was his fault technically), including helping him frick up the world even harder.
Gee, I wonder.
>Wily's robot saved the world in the end
Wily created the Maverick Virus, he doomed the world to begin with. Zero was just cleaning up his creator's mess.
>saved the world
You mean what was left of it. The world was already fricked by X5.
The world definitely would not have reached that state if not for the Zero Virus. Zero didn't even bring about an end to conflict, and most of humanity is dead. Sorry if I don't raise him onto my shoulders and throw a parade.
>literally one last patch of artificial grass miraculously left across the whole deserted and ruined planet
I mean I guess he DID stop total extinction but the world was completely fricked already.
Mr.X
Did somebody say Mr X aka XANDERMOTHERFRICKINGPAYNE THE MOST BADASS CHARACTER IN ALL OF MEGAMAN WHO CAN BEAT WILY/EGGMAN AND TIME TRAVEL?
I don't know how a character can simultaneously be so indulgent and so flat. He's like a Gary Stu except he doesn't have anything better going on than a "GRRR ME BAD" antagonism
I wonder if he was going to be behind MM6 or if Wily was going to bump him off and run the Tournament with his identity
Mmmm, lets see:
Was it Light that was smart enough to keep his creation a secret until both the world and his creation were prepared for something like it to exist?
Or was it Willy who made a murderbot and gave it a beefed up version of roboaids to keep it under control but in turn, made it even more aggresive?
Or was it Dr Cain who thought it would be a good idea to mass produce X without really fully understanding his design.
Both Wily and Cain are to blame. If X were allowed to just be himself and didn't have his design copied by a guy who wasn't even a roboticist none of the reploid shit would have happened but Zero would still eventually be activated and start rampaging.
Wily making Zero despite never getting Bass to fully obey him was also pure stupidity on his part.
Lets be honest if Zero was ever released from his tank it would have been a complete massacre
>despite never getting Bass to fully obey him was also pure stupidity on his part
He had something in his brain as a failsafe that caused him massive pain and it's what allowed Sigma to defeat him
Before they discovered Zero, the reploids were already fighting each other and humanity
and if you read the first part of the post it also said that without Cain being a moron there wouldn't been any reploids in the first place.
I replied the wrong anon
Wily can't code for shit and Cain was WAY above his head.
>I I I I JUST BOUGHT MORE LAND IN THE BATTLE NETWORK
If Cain didn't build any reploids, Zero wouldn't have changed
So if we assume X never learned how to fight without other reploids around, then when Zero eventually wakes up, would X be able to stop him?
The virus DID work though. It made Zero heroic. His default state was "Murderbot 5000" before it kicked in.
The issue was that it spread to OTHER robots. Though with Sigma, it's debatable whether the virus made him evil, or his own intrusive thoughts won the day.
It didn't make Zero "heroic", Sigma decking his forehead did that.
We could have get the heroic duo of x and sigma
We would have MegaMan sigma
MegaMan SX
But nah zero stole what was meant to be cause he has pretty blonde hair and boobs
He stole it because Inafune is just a massive Zerogay
Hate that Wily was fricking shit up even beyond his death but got off scott free just because Zero wasn't an ass and decided to carry on X's will. Chalk it up to X's shit writing but he clearly was still making trouble and not only aided Sigma (A terrorist) but gave him the idea to slam a spacestation into Earth (A global terrorist act).
I hate the "le Light ruined everything xd" meme
Wily was the one who created robot covid and he was still fricking things up even in the X series, so yeah it was him
Dr.Light for not having kids and not inventing the internet, we know for a fact that it would've resulted in utopia for mankind for hundreds of years to come.
A kind of Netopia, if you will
THE GOOD DOCTOR IS TO BLAME
The next villain of Mega Man X will be Bass
I supose that bass went full figthing autism and become the equivalent of super saiyan for non reploids?
He already kind of has. Absorbing evil energy in MM8 gave him a huge power boost, Mega Man only wins because muh fighting for good. Having 100 years to improve and upgrade himself could unironically put him on par with Zero
The thing about Bass is that he's inherently better than Mega Man in terms of specs. Everything about him is better. His stronger, faster, more durable, more agile. There's no parameter that he falls short in, he's objectively superior to Mega Man in every way. But Mega Man always beats him. In fact, Mega Man doesn't always win, Bass just isn't in his league at all. Bass is a boss fight in two games, Mega Man 7 and Mega Man 8. In 7, he's fought three times though the first time he's pretending to be weak. But the funny thing about Bass is that not once is he EVER a proper boss fight. He's always a mid-boss, an appetizer before the true boss of the stage. That's how inferior he is to Mega Man. Even in the opening cutscene of MM8, Mega Man is clearly better than him to the point where he doesn't seem to really be trying.
Occasionally in shit like Ariga's manga Bass is sort of portrayed as so strong that Mega Man barely manages to beat him. But that's never been the case in the games. Bass has never managed to give Mega Man a real challenge.
Bass is without a doubt significantly more powerful but he will always job to Rock since he has more combat experience and has better critical thinking. Bass jobbing as much as he does is genuinely a skill issue, he doesn't want to actually get gud because he insists on relying exclusively on his brute strength every single fight
cool character though
What's up with all the megaman threads lately?
X9 and Legends 3 just got announced
Speaking of Star Force, in retrospect its such a good saga, not necessarily in the games but in characters and setting, it has a lot of charm that people will be more open to appreciate now compared to back then when it felt so outlandish.
Reploids weren't initially an issue. There was Maverick activity, but it was mostly just hardware/software failure. The point of no return was when Sigma got infected with Wily's virus. If it weren't for that virus, things wouldn't have gotten so bad.
Making a servant caste of machines that are perfectly capable of emulating the human condition was absolutely moronic. It would have blown up spectacularly, virus or no virus.
>Why do I exist?
>You were built to be a housemaid.
>But I have free will, don't I?
>And? Clean the toilets.
Really it's a surprise it took outside factors to incite large-scale Reploid uprisings instead of them just getting fed up with it.
And it will happen -probably- by the end of the century
You're making a lot of assumptions about how MMX's society works here. Reploids have a degree of freedom in regards to their employment and get paid for their services. So very early on it was established that Reploids did in fact have rights. Hell, Doppler Town was a city that was comprised of literally nothing BUT Reploids, long before Command Mission's Giga City was a thing.
The issue lies in two factors: one, despite the rights of Reploids, it is true that a lot of Reploid technology more or less existed for the sake of humans. Shit like food production and whatever is of no benefit to Reploids whatsoever, and by virtue of the fact that humans are more fragile by default, it meant that a lot of technology was devoted to keeping humans safe. Regardless of the rights Reploids have, a lot of their employment was devoted to things that they wouldn't benefit from. The second factor is that due to how dangerous most Reploids were, when they turned to criminal activity, there often wasn't really a choice to bring them in alive. It's kill or be killed. X would probably love to bring all Mavericks in alive, but he doesn't have that luxury. As a result, the mortality rate for criminal Reploids was probably very close to 100%.
Also, I think this might be the biggest issue of all: Reploids are machines built for a specific purpose. They're born with that purpose in mind. A Reploid built for the purpose of working in an arctic environment doesn't have much versatility in terms of what jobs they can have. A Reploid built for combat can only really fight. And this may have led to some frustrations. Chill Penguin, for instance, betrayed the Hunters because he hated the fact that he was assigned to the middle-of-nowhere arctic. ...But he's a penguin robot. There's not a whole lot else he can do.
I thought that was just the classic era robots that had to work under a label of
>KILL MEGAMAN
>HELP PEOPLE
>SURVEY ROBOT
etc. I was under the assumption Reploids had some sort of free will
Reploids do have free will, but their manufacturers kept making them gimmicky animal robots regardless
Reploids have free will, but they're not exactly built to be all-purpose. You'd be a surprised how many Hunters went Maverick just because they hated their jobs.
It does sound fricking awful. Profiling is already pretty shit and this is like a worse version of it. Imagine being born to shovel trash and never never being allowed to do anything but shovel trash. I'd go fricking insane too.
True but you then rem Repliforce going full moron
They do
But it can be argued so do the classic characters
They were programmed with independent thought in mind
Near as I can tell, oldschool robots tend to have less flexibility. They have a degree of sentience, but they lacked much capacity for true growth.
This. Not even Mega Man had true free will as his programming stopped him from glassing Wily in MM7 and despite Bass not really caring for Wily at all he always has to swoop in and save his ass if his life is in mortal peril as he's programmed to do that (he'll sneer and insult him while doing it though).
The closest to actual free will in the classic series was Proto Man and he was an aberration and he knows it which is why never gets his faulty power core fixed due to being afraid it will 'fix' his personality.
Man Protoman is so cool, i loved his arc in the comics. The face he was the real precursor to X is interesting considering he was the only robot with the real ability to change
Comic made up a ton of shit though so none of it will ever be relevant to the games. Proto Man isn't even the same character.
I thought zero was implied to be from quint in the comics, but my memory is a bit hazy
Ian Flynn was definitely listening to The Megas when writing this series (not even conjecture, he quotes The Message From Dr. Light verbatim in one issue) and you can definitely see it manifest in how he writes Proto Man. Such a shame this never got past MM3, I think MM4's story being translated into comics in particular would've been really nice.
The classic robots have autonomy to certain degrees, but it's implied they don't have true free will. It's just that the nature of the classic games doesn't touch upon it in many cases, like how King from M&B started a robot revolution, but was actually working under Wily to some degree (I think?). Or how the MM9 robots were ok with being scrapped until Wily convinced them that they could still be useful.
That's the entire point of Mega Man 7's ending; in the JP version, Mega Man is silent after Wily tries to pull the laws of robotics on him, which is also why he drops the mega buster charge.
I think it's less the mind and more the body. Even if they're perfectly self aware, their bodies still end up being models made for a purpose and funnel them towards things, even if they don't like those things. Which sucks, honestly, and would probably be fixed if technology to let them bodymod themselves freely became more mainstream.
Body modding actually did exist. Vile, for instance, explicitly modified much of his body to house various weapons, moreso than what most Hunters would have. This is why he's so dangerous, dude's a walking armory. His fricking knees shoot missiles.
Even if Chill Penguin did mod himself, SOMEONE has to be assigned to his station. So someone will always be dissatisfied. Plus, prior to Sigma's rebellion, it's implied that being a Hunter was sort of a boring job so dissatisfaction ran rampant in the ranks.
>megaman x was actually about trannies
It's bad, but the alternative is worse.
That is creating something as intelligent and complex as a human, but that does NOT emulate a human.
Something with a massive set of emotions, goals and ways of thinking you can't even begin to understand.
If you perfectly mimick a human being, you know it is angry, you know it is happy, you know you can satisfy it.
Now if it's some "weird machine", you don't know if it is <state 1> or what <state 1> even is or what it implies.
But don't worry, we're probably doing both so you will be able to see (and get your skuill crushed by) the worst choice.
Even without the virus, there was clearly a massive design flaw in Reploids if they were going Maverick in the first place. Just look at Vile, he wasn't affected by the virus at all and yet he was one of the biggest criminals during X's time. Even without the virus, what was there to stop a Reploid from eventually becoming another Sigma anyway? Also if you believe Lumine's bullshit at the end of X8, then the New Generation Reploids could choose to become Maverick at will anyway. I think things would have gone to shit even without the virus just because of design flaws when making robots with free will.
i love that dr light went to all the effort of making multiple safety systems going hundreds of years into the future and at no point thought "wait, maybe i shouldnt".
theres this same sorta thing where the us military was experimenting with pulse rockets but using nuclear explosions, the plane would circle the earth every 7 minutes and leave a wake of nuclear radiation that was miles wide behind it, and the government, making the first smart decision ever said "...yeah we are cancelling this program. lets just not start this race". dr light on the otherhand created a fricking superweapon so dangerous he had to hide it 100 years and he....put it in a hole, said yolo and died
Yoshiyuki Tomino.
Both doctors were clearly gundam fanboys, and both doctors ended up following it too closely.
Way too closely even.
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Greetings from Russia
I hate Char's Counterattack so much it's unreal
Lemme guess
Hathaway
Hathaway's recent movie is the best piece of Gundam media since Turn A, I wish I was as cool as him
I don't mean the movie, i mean the character in char's counterattack
Yeah I know that's why I'm saying I'm not as cool as him 🙁
F i l t e r e d
Even now there is hope for man!!!
It was Dr. Cain's fault
>Urmm lets replicate this model of an artificial concious human then we mass produce them, what could go wrong?!
Deadass, Thanos calling both Light and Tony Stark mass murderers is the most kino thing I've ever heard.
>who's
Science as a whole was at fault
I'm kinda sold on the idea being floated around now that all of these different series are all just possible futures for classic. That way the series can go on without worrying about a definite ending.
They can just pull a ZX and just make inbetween games or god forbidden make a sequel to Legends
We will build cities in a day
>Men would cower at the sight
We will build towers to the heavens
>Man was not built for such a height
>We will be heroes
>WE WILL BUILD HEROES
We’ve waited so long for this day, someone to take the death away, now no son will have to say, “my father worked into his grave.”
>instead hes been working for 300 years now
>200 more years till hes paid off his house
>Reddi frog
Frick off
no
Dr. Light
She murdered billions
Of my sperm
Cmon man really? She's 8
Out of 11
>Dr Light made sexy e-girlbots to doom humanity into never wanting to frick adult women
Why would he do this?
He only made like 2 female bots
Kill all Robots, Reploids, Carbons, NetNavis and EM beings
OPs
Wily would be as skinny as a Holocaust survivor, what the frick is this art
>DNA Soul
>Suffering Circuit
>Cyber Elves
Which term was the cringiest?
Cyber elves
wily was in the right in the opening cutscene of 11. he was talking about a real tangible way to make robots more useful to humanity. light had a lofty but admirable goal but not only does it not make sense from a realistic perspective that the committee went with his idea, but it sounds like wilys plan was trashed to go forward with lights which in turn led to the elf wars happening one day. I still want sentient robots
Double Gear system was pretty imperfect at the time. Light gave it some improvments, Wily managed to improve it drastically as well and perfected it for his Wily Machine, but it probably was super dangerous back then.
You have to remember that at its core. the Double Gear system is really just hyper-overclocking. You're basically making the robot perform at several times its normal capacity. The normal standards exist for a reason, to ensure that the robot doesn't blow up from excessive strain or otherwise cause damage to its surroundings. The Double Gear system was basically Wily going "frick that shit". It's like customizing a car to use rocket fuel and go so fast that it implodes in on itself. Light installed several failsafes in Mega Man in order to prevent damage, such as making sure he can't activate it when he hits the limit, but a lesser robot would probably burn themselves out or explode if they tried to use it.
>but it probably was super dangerous back then.
they make it sounds like this is the prototype phase considering they are arguing about what should be researched. wily has a functioning prototype and light doesn't have any sentient machines to demonstrate in the cutscene. we have a functioning device that if used carefully will improve performance and if not used carefully will break the machine, and on the other side we have a theory that getting along with robots would be great (would be super cool but still). if light was showing a proof of concept during that cutscene it wouldn't seem so weird that the committee went forward with his plan.
Well, I mean, again, what the Double Gear system really is is just extreme overclocking. That's all it really boils down to. I don't know if it would have actually passed health and safety regulations regardless of Light's objections.
but again what i'm saying is that this is the early phase when they're presenting their ideas to get approval for continued research and funding. wily has a working proof of concept, it makes sense to fund that for further research and testing to see if it can be made safe over a lofty "what if we could make them sentient". this is the research phase so its reasonable if the concept has flaws. it's even vindicated that you can safely implement this system with mega man and all of the robot masters and machines wily installs the gears in. plus again the risk in sentient robots going wrong is much higher than the risk in a robot overclocking and frying itself.especially if its not sentient.
But what even makes the Double Gear system special? Just overclock the robot if it's so important to you. The Double Gear system is literally just a control mechanism.
if that's all it is then why is it considered so dangerous? but that said it's more than just a simple overclock, it allows 3 seperate varieties of overclock that not only improve capabilities but broadens them as robot master abilities are shown to expand greatly under these effects. speed gear and power gear are both overclocks in different directions that can apply at once.
Because it's a system that can be installed on any machine, even those that aren't designed to handle it. You can probably stick it in your toaster and set your house of fire because you're a moronic frick for doing that.
and thats more dangerous than sentient machines? someone lighting a fire in an highrise apartment building is less risky than sentient machines.
Maybe. But anon, think about this realistically: No organization would ever prioritize explosive overclocking over sentient machines. Look at real life. Do you actually believe that there is a single organization who would actually prefer Wily's work over Light's, under the assumption that Light's good enough that he can actually make his goal a reality? Which he did?
>no organization would ever prioritize an increase in productivity over more sentient beings that could potentially demand rights?
personally I want sentient machines, but the comittee choice just doesn't make real world sense here.
Committee choices makes way more sense. Again, NO FRICKING ORGANIZATION WOULD EVER GO WITH WILY'S IDEA. There is NO organization that would actually jeopardize the stability of their highly expensive machines by giving them all overclock switches. If Light is on the board, then he likely already proved that he was capable of making the sentient robots he dreamed of making. He probably had a proof of concept and there was a reasonable degree of confidence that he would succeed. We know this because he DID succeed, meaning he definitely was capable of doing it. Light's research would be fundamentally more valuable to any organization. I repeat, no company would actually jeopardize the stability of their insanely expensive and sensitive machines with an overclock switch.
>X: X... you called me... X... Is... that my name...?
>Dr. Light: That's right. It's a variable. It represents limitless potential. You see, you are a new type of robot who can think for himself.
>X: What's the matter, Doctor? You look tired.
>Dr. Light: You truly are just like us humans, X. That's why I'm afraid that mankind is not quite ready to accept you. We are not yet mature. They may very well view your limitless evolutionary potential as something to be feared. The name "X" also carries connotations of danger.
>Dr. Light: I am sorry, X... I didn't have enough time to see you enter the world... (coughs)
>X: Doctor Light...
>Dr. Light: I have given you the power to think... to worry and to grow and evolve as you fight, but... it is too soon for that power to be unleashed...
>X: Doctor... I'll use this power to fight for justice! To fight for hope!
>Dr. Light: Of course you will. I believe it to be so. X... I want you to use that conscience of yours to fight for the people of the future. They will need someone like you to guide them.
>Day of Sigma, Maverick Hunter X
The only reason Reploids exist is because Light went and did it on his own. And even he was afraid of the ramifications of a truly sentient AI
Designing and producing machines like the robot with his head constantly on fire or the one with sharp blades coming out of his head is much safer than an overclocking device anon.
Cain's
>Who's fault was it really that humanity was doomed?
Mans
I think the MMZ series sucks and ruined the lore
It's not like the majority of what's being discussed in this thread was invented by MMZ, or that humans suddenly pulled a 180 compared to the rest of the franchise and aren't fricking moronic for once, so how did it ruin the lore
You mean X ruined the lore, that shit was so fricking bad at times. Probably the least consistent branch of the franchise in terms of quality.
Wily made the "don't act like a violent moron" update for his magnum opus a virus for some unfathomable reason so it's his fault
No one, Mega Man achieved everlasting peace
But enough about Lan Hikari
What abou the aliens, the ancient civilization and the noise terrorists though
The core of the problem was a gross misunderstanding of X. X had free will. Real free will. With the exception of his robotic body there was no difference between him and any other human being. The reploids were made by Dr. Cain who did not understand Dr Lights intent. He comes from a generation who saw robots as tools dedicated to the chores humans didn't want to do. And that's kind of a problem because that directly interferes with the fact that these reploids are supposed to have the ability to choose their own destinies. So yes some of them are going to go crazy and that's not even counting the ones that just go berserk because they didn't get any sort of stress testing, like X did. There's also a problem that some reploids get deemed Mavericks even though there's nothing technically wrong with them. Repliforce are Mavericks for refusing to turn themselves in for a catastrophe they had nothing to do with? What? Spike Rosered being deemed the Maverick because he didn't want X to take his shit? Excuse me? There are legitimate Mavericks out there but the Maverick Hunters do have a habit of leveraging that fear to just kill inconvenient reploids for barely any reason.
Shame humans don't have actual free will, it's a completely nonsensical concept
Doesn't matter, now listen
THE GOOD DOCTOR IS TO BLAME
Look. They just want a martyr. A statue to raise.
sup robots, welcome to life. oh yeah ive arbitrarily added a line of code for absolutely no reason which means youll die eventually. lmao enjoy the terrifying fear and emotions involved with your mortality, thats definitely not a good reason to destroy the species who basically murdered you when immortality was in reach. anyways bieeeeeee!
The blame is 100% on Light, the fatass started all the robot frickery and even gave them free will and shit, he also told wily to frick off which started a moronic robot war which ultimately culminated in Wily creating Zero and him killing everyone directly or indirectly on like 4 different generations until humanity was so fricked up they literally went extinct and got replaced by reploids which eventually turned into carbons or humanity 2.0 robot sex bugaloo.
Both are at fault. Both tried to push advanced robots in an era that wasn't ready for them. Light ended up as the grandfather of reploids who had free will and all the pros and cons that comes with it and Wily ended up as the grandfather of the Maverick virus who fricked up the planet for 100+ years. Also, both Zero and X got fricked in the head because of their creators' actions, the latter becoming bitter and jaded after fighting so much for so long and the former just looking for a reason to fight as some sort of redemption quest.
Wily was the one who couldn't cope with the fact Light got more attention than him. The ensuing tantrum is what caused everything else.
it really depends on if you think dr willy could of made sentient robots without dr lights work. if not, hes "responsible" and a time traveling sarah o conner coming back to stop "skynet" from killing literally billions, if not trillions of lives would logically come back and blow away dr light like she planned to do to dyson in t2
Reploids lost
Reploids literally won. The last human died and the Carbons inherited the Earth
my house keys in 24XX on april 13th and i have never forgiven them
Reploid is shit
Navi is the future
Why the spandex?
high speed low drag
lel at these type of designs. if this dude walked forward, he would either waddle or hit the "rings" every step and clank clank clank clank
Navis lost
Wizards won
Clark is cute!
What happened to Navis after SF1 anyway? Did they all get converted into wizards or was there a great Navi euthanasia event once they became entirely obsolete?
Dunno. For whatever reason, Navis just stopped getting made at some point. But there's clearly still a market for them, hence Wizards which more or less fill the same niche.
pretty sure they just got thrown into the trash. isnt there an image with them looking at a landfill talking about it?
Navis were still an important part of society in Star Force 1, even after pets became obsolete and people stopped having them as personal assistants. The robot-looking guys who are everywhere on the wave road in SF1 were all Navis, and people still used Navi cards to get shit done as well, they were still there and were pretty important, it's just that they all became independent with no need for operators.
>they all became independent with no need for operators.
Bass...Won?
I like to imagine that similar to the anime, Bass fricked off into space at some point and ate so many EM beings that he became one
>I like to imagine that similar to the anime, Bass fricked off into space at some point and ate so many EM beings that he became one
Never forget, Star Force 1 had a Life Aura Giga Card with Bass on it. I like to think he really is still around.
sexy thighs
probably Dr. Wawy
I love how they dropped Dr. Wily's VA, the only one doing a good job, but brought back Mega Man and Duo's VAs for X4.
Both.
Wily for reprogramming robots for destruction and everything involving Zero, and Light for creating X.
Both of them, but mostly Wily. He clearly has the intelligence and ingenuity that he could have made billions off his own creations, but he chose to make evil robot lairs full of evil robot minions, evil robot bosses, and skull themed castles instead.
What the frick was his problem? Was he just high on Weil juice like everyone else that touched model W?
I will never forgive this homosexual for cucking me out of Prometheus/Pandora's data
I honestly always really like how it look like he's got a straitjacket on.
Light looks like an old pedophile and thus is in the wrong.
Light looks like an old pedophile and thus is in the right.
Blame Canada.
Blizzard Man didn't do shit
Wily.
also I wouldn't say humanity was doomed, it evolved.
Kinda weird to see a guy named WILY get more sympathetic over time. Villains like Bowser and Ganondorf just get more simple and reprihenisble over time while Wily's motives and modus operandi get more complex. Maybe Japan finally realized that Einstein wasn't actually an evil person.
Wily's a combination of his main motive being mere pettiness (wanting to prove himself superior to Light) and Wily himself becoming somewhat pathetic as time went on without becoming losing his threateningness all that much (see: Mega Man 9 where Rock shames him with 9 previous times he begged for mercy).
It also helps that the X series kinda toys around with Wily's involvement to the point where he's still somewhat detached from everything, despite being a major factor in why that setting is what it is and what it becomes.
Where did all the aliens go after Classic Mega Man?
Dr Cain.
He was the one who made copies of X's internals and mass produce them without truly understanding them.
Well anons, needs a little help. Finally purchase the LC of Zero. Only played Z1 long time ago on a emulator. What i'm in for? Is really necessary get high ranks? I remember that was something that bothers me the last time i played Z1, to the point that i never end it. That and all the permanently missable things.
Is really necessary for enjoying the game being a good player? I'm losing much if i don't get a high rank?
There is exactly 1 thing you "get" for getting a high rank in Z1. If you have an A/S rank you can enter Ciel's room and get a Cyber-Elf. Some of the bosses also have 1 extra attack if you fight them at A/S rank.
People really overblow it. In Z2 and 3 you can only get EX moves from bosses if you enter (not finish, enter) the stage with an A/S rank but they're really the cherry on top of Zero's moveset as is. Forget about the game disincentivizing you to use Cyber-Elves because of the Rank system, nobody uses Cyber-Elves because you need to grind E-Crystals to do it.
Thank anons for the answers. Planning to do the 6 games this time. Love the classic and X series, also Inti as a developer. But the Zero/ZX series never clicked on me. Maybe this is the right time.
If you don't feel Zero 1, feel free to skip it.
The zero series gets better with each game as it goes on and 1 is pretty rough so Zero 2 is a vastly more enjoyable experience, and Zero 3 and 4 are extremely good.
I like the sketch portaits in 1 though it's peak soul
Zero 1, not really. As long as you don't die enough times, there's really not much penalty for not playing well.
The thing that might annoy you is the weapon levels and yeah, they feel pretty annoying but don't be bothered by them. I'm 90% sure you'll get to the end of the game with max weapon level for at least the buster and the saber.
Feel free to use cyber elfs if you don't care about ranking.
If Capcom ever make X9, will they added back Kai?
He was mean to be X's Bass
I would rather have playable Vile again.
I think he fits the profile of a bass-esque character better without the need of making someone new. And hey, Irregular Hunter X and Online Deathmatch (rest in peace) made want more of him and his playstyle.
Nah. He should stay dead. I don't even understand why Sigma keeps bringing him back.
He's got a thing for Vile like Wily did for Gutsman.
No he doesn't he just keeps bringing him back because he hates X
>X1: X can't beat the Ride Armor but he's able to beat Vile
>X3: X can destroy the Ride Armor and then Vile
>X8: X doesn't even give a shit about the Rider Armor and just kills Vile directly
Like at this point I think Sigma should just give up on Vile. It's obvious that things are just going further and further downhill.
That's the thing though, Sigma hates Vile and Vile hates X so Sigma keeps bringing him back so he can job and piss off Vile
Piss off X*
>I think he fits the profile of a bass-esque character
No he doesn't not even slightly
I hope not, I'd rather have iX
This guy has just the dumbest backstory.
Perfect reason to bring him back and give him a better backstory rather than just making Bass again
>Light and Wily stay as reclusive virgins who cope with their loneliness by making robots
>world goes to shit, humanity essentially goes extinct by ZX's time
>Light and Wily get laid
>world is better than ever, humanity flourishing and bound to spread beyond Earth by Starforce's time
What did Capcom mean by this?
Someone post the copypasta of Light being the greatest villain.
I'll be the first to say it. We need another Command Mission Megaman game
I didn't like the original Command Mission enough to care if another one gets made or not.
Vile is funny. The most impressive thing about him was that he had a really good Ride Armor. But once that Ride Armor was out of the picture, dude was a total pussy.
which is hilarious considering he's supposed to be a war machine
He is. But X has plot armor.
>jobs to B class hunter
No wonder Vile's mad.
Plot armor as in literal armors
Tbh I rather has him just transform or evolution or at least build new upgrade himself and shit
You know instead of another getting yet another new secret armor dr.light made centuries ago
As it is Black person basically build few dozen of armors when he finished X
I think Dr Light turned himself into an AI like cyber elf and continue creating Armor programs for X instead of him creating those before he dies. That wouldn't sound believable and Dr Light hologram shows that he is informed about the current event like when he's talking to Zero.
I also think the reason why X base form is so basic and weak is because Light never wish X to be fighting at all and want X to be a normal robot that can think for himself like human. He designed X to looks safe and friendly to human so when people discovered him, X wouldn't look like a dangerous threat. But of course that wish didn't come true and X is forced to fight so Light now has to reluctantly upgrade him and give him more deadly weapon as time go by.
>jobs to the father of all reploid
You know, they should make big dealt out of this, instead of just treat him as B class hunter
That's because iirc, X being the original reploid is actually something super secret that very few people know about.
Iirc, Alia actually had to get rid off a couple X6 bosses in the backstory because they knew too much.
Even when the clues are there, I'm still having a hard time believing in this.
Every story after X4 is pure shit but I never got this stupid coverup stuff involving X and Zero. They act like X being built by Light is some big revelation that's hidden from everyone (Even X) even though the Intro goes out of it's way to tell you that Light built X, Cain knows this, X knows this and the only reason for this twist to exist is by retconing X into never having come into contact with a single Light Capsule until the ending of X5. It's really dumb.
maybe if Dr light mass produced roll the whole megaman shit timeline would've not happened.
Neither. They were long dead by the time anything catastrophic happened and shifting blame to some dudes that died centuries ago is moronic. It'd be like blaming Edison for the internet.
Axel defeats sigma and solves the maverick virus. Something X and Zero couldn’t do for 8 games.
>Reconstruct his unborn child into Navi
Literally the most talenting Scientist in MM verse, as he literally bring people death back to live
Wily has a israeli name, you don't need to know more.
This thread just taught me that Zero is technically considered a robot master. Now I’m just wondering what happened to Megaman, Protoman, Roll, and Bass. They were also robots that seems capable of individual thought, but they’re never brought up post Classic series.
Comic X was protoman, hands down flat no questions asked, not sure if the same in the games but it might be.
In classic the only robot with free will is protoman and in his case his free will was genuinely a accident, classic megaman is bound to three laws as seen by MM7s ending. As most likely roll too, Bass might technically have free will or at least he's autonomous enough to be allowed to rebel against Willy without issue
Probably just lived a regular life until eventual decommissioning after Light's death. Zero is technically not even a robot master rather he's based on stolen prototype blueprints of X
I still wonder if Capcom was planning to do something more with Vile if Maverick Hunter X wasn't a massive failure. I really liked how they changed him from one of Sigma's lackeys to a wild card that was just taking advantage of the rebellion to take down X and might've gone after Sigma afterwards
No
Ok