Okay timetravel cucks lets assume the time machine is real and imagination theory is false. Answer these questions:
1. What is Herba Mystica and why can it do a variety of things like make giant titan pokemon, cure an otherwise uncurable dog, or increase shiny odds
2. What causes Terastallization to happen and how does it magically change a Pokemon’s type? Why the crystal aesthetic?
3. Assuming Terapagos causes Terastallization, what godlike powers does Terapagos have like any other legendary pokemon?
4. After all the researchers left Area Zero except the professor, how did they invent an AI robot? Game stats AI tech is impossible in the modern day. But the professor was able to make a robot with intelligent AI by themselves. Completely solo. No decades of research needed, made something 100x more advanced than Siri.
5. Why is Pokemon Horizons completely unrelated to time travel despite the fact Terapagos makes an appearance in it.
6. Why did a Shiny Rayquaza appear in the anime with a Terastallized texture all over its body right after Liko grasped her Terapagos pendant?
A bunch of random things that has nothing to do with a time machine. What’s the thing that connects all these unrelated things?
The trading card games calls them past and future, so for it to not be that means false marketing and I'm sure they don't want a lawsuit on there hands
>muh non canon tcg shit
let me guess. you think white basculin is a regional form too
it is
tcg has as much canonicity as delta species and the holon region, which is none
I don't think you understand lawsuits
ACIENT and future.
The answer to all of your questions is, "GameFreak didn't finish writing the fricking lore because S/V was pushed out unfinished and now we have to deal with the consequences"
What the hell am I looking at
>What the hell am I looking at
Its probably a metaphore for pokemon lore, it doesn't fit, make sense and breaks regularly.
because none of it fits nor makes sense if you reject imagination theory but the moment you accept it, it explains everything in one fell swoop
This makes more sense, especially when taking word of God into account (ie not ignoring they specifically and explicitly referenced the future and past when talking about the paradoxes). Ignoring evidence to make your theory works just proves it's actually a shitty theory.
>verification not required
no it’s called not taking everything at face value. like any other piece of fiction that has some depth to it
>no, you don't understand, there's a whole conspiracy and WHY CAN'T YOU SEE IT FOR PITY'S SAKE
Get off the internet, go for a walk in the park, do some sunbathing and get some Vitamin D shut-in.
The only reason imagination makes sense of everything is because it’s a non-explanation. It’s the same as “a wizard did it”.
You can brush off any contradiction and explain everything ever with a magical excuse. Or you can just understand the inconsistencies are just GF not being nerds about it
>only reason imagination makes sense of everything is because it’s a non-explanation
>you can just understand the inconsistencies are just GF not being nerds about it
THAT's a non-explanation, anon.
Imagination theory is not a non-explanation because it still tries to adhere to the timeline of the game. It still has to follow certain logic presented in the game. Saying that "inconsistencies happen because GF is lazy" is a non-explanation.
If you don't suspend disbelief and trust the writer, every single mystery book or story could be solved by saying "the writer just didn't think about it".
consider the following:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akashic_records
terapagos is a living akashic record
>a compendium of all universal events, thoughts, words, emotions and intent ever to have occurred in the past, present, or future in terms of all entities and life forms, not just human.
>Because it is believed that the records are encoded vibrationally into the inherent fabric of space, some have likened the mechanism as similar to how holograms are created.
this connects the current story of the anime to the time travel events of the games (records of past/future events being brought to the present), while also possibly explaining the "imagination" side of the coin (the crystalline shiny rayquaza and the tera hats, both of which could be crystal "holograms" of information stored within the record)
what's also worth noting is the akashic record's connection to atlantis, which just so happens to be area zero's internal name
While this is a cool theory, isn't it much more obvious that Terapagos is based on the dēmiurgós (the demiurge)? AKA, the Platonic figure who crafts the real, material, perceptible world from the non-material world of Ideas?
Even the JP name for Terapagos (テラパゴス) is a clear reference to it (デミウルゴス) with them having the same termination.
This still assumes that paradox pokémon are geninue past/future relations as opposed to fictional monsters made real.
Or, now here me out here,
and
are both correct, and don’t necessarily conflict with each other.
If Terapagos in it’s Terastal form is the Akashic Disk, the fact is it is recording all types. Now, as it apparently gets a special form when it actually Terastalizes, that form can be the Demiurge, the ‘creator’ and shaper of the Paradox Pokemon, as the height of Terapagos’ power allows it to then transform the DNA of certain Pokémon into new types and new features.
Another feature f a Demiurge, is to make things ‘real’ to it, is to put bits of itself into the things it reshapes to make them ‘real’ to it. So this ‘final’ form of Terapagos is likely the source of the changes in Paradox Pokemon, and why they look both Ancient and Futuristic; it’s the dragon/turtle features of Terapagos, and the Tera Energy conductive aspect of it’s abilities, put into Pokémon bodies to make them stronger, to change them and make them ‘real’ to Terapagos.
I like this! Especially because I really like the idea of the Akashic records and what I mentioned about the Demiurge.
Yeah, I’ve had the same idea, and have offered it various times across threads like these, because while Time Travel isn’t very likely, just purely stating this is just imagination and wishes come to life, just doesn’t make sense, when it conflicts too much with stuff that should make some logical sense.
I agree. There's stuff like the fact that the Burned Tower incident happened 150 years ago (compared to the writing of the book, which happened 200 years ago) which makes the imagination theory falter a little bit.
So I agree that there's elements of both time travel and imagination at play, and this allows for something I think makes a lot of sense. Of course I don't expect the game to reflect this theory 100%, but I think we can expect elements of it.
burned tower happened 150 years prior to the events of GSC though. you’re assuming SV takes place at the same time as GSC when it could be in the future. is there some evidence as to what year the events of gen 9 take place?
because we could just say gen 9 takes place 50 years after gen 2 considering the improved tech like rotom smartphones, more advanced facilities like in the DLC, more modern game console cameos in the player’s room, etc.
which means heath’s expedition could’ve happened right after burned tower where everyone saw the legendary beasts for the first time
Even if we take in the real world time shift of about 20 years, that still is 170 years, to 200. A full 30 years before they were spotted in Johto, if the events of the burned tower happens 170 years ago.
why would the pokemon timeline be a 1-to-1 with real life? because you said so? because stuff like yugioh to GX to 5Ds to Zexal makes jumps of years to decades to hundreds of years.
I could claim that gen 9 takes places a hundred years after GSC. there’s no evidence against it
We know the pokemon timeline because Drayden's grandson is in the DLC.
but this is about gen 9 and gen 2. so the question is how many years does gen 5 take place after gen 2
Not long enough for Johto Beasts to occur before Area Zero.
proof? I say it’s long enough for johto beasts to occur before area zero. prove me wrong
>prove me wrong
No, frick you. I know how these threads go and I'm not spending 2 hours with some homosexual with their finger in their ears.
so you have no evidence. you don’t know how many years gen 5 takes place after gen 2. then you claim it’s less than 50 years without anything backing it up.
concession accepted
It's 7. 5 takes place 10 years after Gen 1 and Gen 2 happens 3 years after 1.
Why would it not be? Nothing so far has ever said the games have not taken place in a similar time frame as the real world. There’s been no massive jumps in the timeline between games. Even Alola has shown this, with Red and Blue only being about ten to fifteen years older than they were in the Red/Blue/Green games, as they at least appear to be young adults instead of ten years old. This is supported by Let’s Go having Mina be a schoolchild visiting Kanto, while in Alola she’s at least in her twenties as a Trial Captain.
Shouldn't the mainline games always line up with the years that they were released in? Save for something like Legends: Arceus, of course. For example, the protagonists almost always have the latest Nintendo home console. BDSP even updated npc characters so that they would be playing on their own Nintendo Switches instead of their DS'es. Those game consoles might be little easter eggs for the players, but they are explicitly seen and canon throughout the games.
same anon, i guess i can elaborate on this idea a little further
the disk shape of terapagos isn't a coincidence: it's supposed to be a literal disk like a cd or dvd (as in: it stores data and recalls it)
the visions of events shown to characters in both the anime and the games are data being recalled from the akashic records: in liko's case its the past while in heath's case it might potentially be the future (reminder: the akashic records are supposedly accessed by the mind)
additionally, this could mean the time travel demonstrated by the time machine isn't time travel in the literal sense, it's simply recalling data of ancestral/future species from the records on-command (reading from a disk, if you will)
lastly, what about the crystalline rayquaza? or the paradox sightings from the books?
well, remember that the mechanism of the records is regarded as similar to how a hologram is created. the rayquaza was created at a moment where terapagos would've perceived a threat to itself, and the paradox donphans were created when explorers ventured closer to the bottom of area zero (where terapagos resided, its home)
it's possible the crystal rayquaza and the original pardox sightings were holographic projections of pokemon stored within the akashic records, generated as a defense mechanism to ward off intruders
this theory is horribly complicated and autistic as frick but i think it explains both aspects of time travel and imagination without explicitly being one or the other
They're not really holograms. They become incased in tera crystals. Terastalizing is harnessing that energy and the professors were able to recreate it with using scales from Terapogos' shell. We don't have an actual answer yet for naturally occurring terastalizing though.
Also the Black Rayquaza thing is just the OPs misunderstanding of the plot, it's one of the pokemon owned by the Ancient Adventurer (probably the anime's equivalent of Heath). He owns one and several Titan pokemon including an Arboliva that has been heavily featured recently. I appreciate your rundown because I find he aspect intriguing, but don't bend yourself backwards for imaginationgays. They quite literally cannot defend their own theories, deny they only believe it because Khu said something about it, but in turn celebrate when he once again brings it up. They're just praying that it's the answer because they're contrarian homosexuals who don't understand what a paradox is.
>it's one of the pokemon owned by the Ancient Adventurer (probably the anime's equivalent of Heath). He owns one and several Titan pokemon including an Arboliva that has been heavily featured recently.
you mean that fictional story of an Ancient Adventurer where their fictional pokemon are being made real? so the anime equivalent of paradox pokemon
You mean the story that Liko's grandmother told Liko's father about and he then wrote a story about? Yes, that story.
likos father's fictional story based on true events and obligatory embellishment thrown in. do you not read books or watch movies?
>T-THERE'S EMBELLISHMENT
okay what was embellished?
>A-ALL OF IT. YOU'LL SEE
ok
Funnily enough the ‘fictional’ Pokémon Arbovilia was already a Titan in Paldea, long before Liko and the Pendant/Terapagos got there in the anime, so it’s not a totally ‘fictional’ story when proof of it is already present.
Interesting theory, if the creation of the Paradoxes is in the present, then the temporary defense mechanisms in the past, make sense why they left no trace of themselves in Area Zero after Heath’s expedition. It still brings into question, though, if the Akashic Records contain the full record of time, both future and past, is this not a Paradox in and of itself? Really, what is so valuable in Area Zero that Terapagos is protecting that it’s causing these paradoxes to occur?
Unrelated, but I think a lot of the problem and in-fighting, really runs in the fact people are calling these “Paradox” Pokemon, implying a Paradox must be present, when the games actually do not call them this, they call them Ancient and Future Pokemon; Paradox is a widely accepted fan term that derives from their group classification as ‘Paradox’ Pokémon.
>Paradox is a widely accepted fan term that derives from their group classification as ‘Paradox’ Pokémon.
They're quite literally classified as paradox pokemon and Arven implies something is going on that doesn't make sense. He shrugs it off because his job was to make you think about the order of events until the DLC releases.
Not really the point I’m makn? Or rather reinforcing the point I am making here?
I see the paradox is present, I’ve played the game and understand, hence the group classification of Paradox for these separate groups of Ancient and Future Pokemon making sense. The game does not call them out as Paradoxes though? This is exactly why people are arguing about imagination and time travel, lol.
imagination homosexuals are the cucks
I don't watch anime and reading OP's post made me feel like i'm watching hyperborea webms on /wsg/
like what the hell is he talking about
No need to go this far, just ask timetravelshitties how did Heath see Miraidon if he wouldn't exist for thousands years and the only two Miraidon to ever "time travel" are in the present, not in Heath's era.
Or how the professor came to the conclusion that the pokemon were from the past/future when Heath never actually recorded it and only the tabloids ever mentioned it.
Interestingly, Iron Treads' actual design and the design that appear in the book are different.
I'm this anon, forgot to post the pic.
But yeah, Iron Treads in the book has completely different legs than the actual Iron Treads.
Why do we still even believe this stupid book?
Different spikes, different horns, I don't see those giant ears or tail in the photo
I can argue for the blurriness a little bit when it comes to the horns, but yeah, the lack of the ears is noticeable there too.
If it really were time travel, what's with the design inconsistencies? It's obvious, these Pokémon are not real. I'd also like to point out that the Occulture magazines mention a lot of the Paradox Pokémon as being "described" in the Scarlet and Violet books. Descriptions are writing. This adds to the "he said she said" effect of the designs being further and further bastardized as time passes because most of it is descriptions.
I agree, but this goes to show that it's not time travel, that it has to be "imagination" or some sort of Legendary that creates creatures from Ideas. If it spits out things "similar enough", it means that those things aren't real.
Well the idea is that
>Heath or his crew draws some similar (but not exact) designs of the creatures in area zero based on the glimpses they get before they are attacked
>Occulture articles posthumously change the designs even further (going by what is implied in the dex entries) and embellish them with sensationalist lore like “DUDE this must be a pterosaur from the past!!!”
>professor reads the Occulture articles and decides that, yes, this pokemon must come from the past
And then their machine that spits out something “similar enough” to what Heath and later the tabloids progressively butchered is their confirmation bias.
Oh hey you're back! The recent presents ruined your headcanon 🙂
Terapagos separated the imagined fusions in 3 imaginary beasts.
>T-TERAPOGOS COPIES THE IMAGINES IN THE BOOK!
>T-TERAPOGOS SEPARATED THE IMAGE IN THE BOOK BECAUSE.....BECAUSE IT JUST DOES OK
God I love this.
The first one isn't even an accurate copy. No one said Terapagos can't take creative liberties, in fact comparing the fake donphan sketch to the created fake donphan proves it.
>UH THEY'RE TOTALLY DIFFERENT
>UH TERAPOGOS JUST COPIED THEM ACCURATELY BUT NOW DECIDED NOT TO
Please keep going I'm gonna cum
No one said they were copied accurately. The ear flaps, back horns and claws are completely different.
>circles feet
>BROS LISTEN EVERYTHING IS DIFFERENT HONEST
There are at least 3 body parts different, if not more.
>if not more
yes anon please I'm so close keep telling me how they're different and Terapogos gave Raikou a giraffe neck
The drawing is also different from the photograph.
Yeah, and Great Tusk's design is also different in the book than the real one. The spikes on the back are completely different. It's not even a "I missed some details because I drew it quickly", the spikes are genuinely completely different in shape. The way the book draws them even implies that Great Tusk's spikes are two-colored because of the use of black and white to paint them, when in reality they're only one color. AKA it's a deliberate addition to the design.
The Scarlet and Violet books are a fraud.
Time machine
>Okay timetravel cucks lets assume the time machine is real and imagination theory is false.
Why are we assuming a fact?
Time travel IS real, imagination theory IS false.
>1. What is Herba Mystica
Result of an as of yet unkown pokemon's ability.
>2. What causes Terastallization to happen and how does it magically change a Pokemon’s type? Why the crystal aesthetic?
Crystalized elemental power.
>3. Assuming Terapagos causes Terastallization, what godlike powers does Terapagos have like any other legendary pokemon?
An archipelago is a cluster of islands with self-contained ecosystems. Terapagos' power could be related to appearence of Herba Mystica. (These questions so far have nothing to do with time travel vs imagination yet btw)
>4. After all the researchers left Area Zero except the professor, how did they invent an AI robot? Game stats AI tech is impossible in the modern day. But the professor was able to make a robot with intelligent AI by themselves. Completely solo. No decades of research needed, made something 100x more advanced than Siri.
I mean... time travel so... yeah...
>5. Why is Pokemon Horizons completely unrelated to time travel despite the fact Terapagos makes an appearance in it.
Because cartoons are not the game.
>6. Why did a Shiny Rayquaza appear in the anime with a Terastallized texture all over its body right after Liko grasped her Terapagos pendant?
Because it did? Again the frick does this have to do with time travel vs imagination?
> Result of an as of yet unkown pokemon's ability.
basically admitting you don’t know and prefer saying it’s something completely unknown instead of just saying terapagos
> Crystalized elemental power.
from what? crystallized elemental power doesn’t appear out of nowhere. mega evolutions come from mega stones which likely meteorites from space. z-moves originated from necrozma, dynamax originates from eternatus. TERAstallization. TERApagos. Crystals. cmon man they’re shoving it in your face.
> An archipelago is a cluster of islands with self-contained ecosystems. Terapagos' power could be related to appearence of Herba Mystica. (These questions so far have nothing to do with time travel vs imagination yet btw)
yes the game takes place on an island anon, where terapagos lives. and herba mystica could be residue’s of terapagos’ power.
> I mean... time travel so... yeah...
did you not play the game. go back and read the logs in the research stations in Area Zero.
“I need more people. More time. That man walked out not long after the boy was born.
I need another set of hands, but could they be trusted? And how long would it take them to even understand? If only there were two of me.”
being abandoned by their coworkers wasn’t planned, so the AI robot also wasn’t planned. and the professor is a researcher, not someone who spend their life studying robotics and AI and not something you can do alone obviously. and the only answer we get is that the AI says they came from “the crystals.” yes, I don’t see anything wrong with saying Terapagos materialized an AI Robot and gave it to the professor.
>Because cartoons are not the game.
but pokemon powers are consistent across the games and anime. baby terapagos was shown in the anime first, then baby terapagos was revealed in the latest trailer. and terapagos should have the same powers in both the games and anime like how dialga is the god of time in both the games and anime
> Because it did? Again the frick does this have to do with time travel vs imagination?
so you don’t know why rayquaza appeared, got it. time travel can’t explain rayquaza appearing. but watch the scene again. cerulege is beating up fuecoco and sprigatito. liko panics and grasps her terapago’s pendant. it shines, causing roy’s ancient pokeball to shoot out a beam of light in the sky to make a terastallized rayquaza appear. what happened? even a grade schooler can figure out what terapagos did in that moment to save liko and roy.
Reminder she's also an AI. Who built her? AI Sada and AI Turo were at least assistants of a smart professor, but who happened to build a mommy who looks like a Heath descendant, based on the Scarlet and Violet book?
I want her to stabilise my diffusion if you catch my drift
She's Heath's descendant. She has a very similar hair structure and the same eyebrow shape. She probably wants to restore his reputation cause he's her great-great-great grandfather or some shit.
Either that or she has an obsession with the book that is similarly autistic to the professors, which would mean that she's definitely insane.
Why does everyone say she's a robot? I never watched the trailer with her (meant to but I keep forgetting. I'd watch it now but I'm at work), but is there an implication in it?
The i plication by Khu is that they’re a recycled AI Professor turned into genderswapped duplicated Heath, because Briar is Briar Root, a part of a Heather plant, where Heath gets his name from.
It wouldn’t make sense because it can’t be the Professor’s AI clone, and be a teacher at Blueberry Academy, considering we’re supposed to meet them before the game even finishes when they take us to Kitakami.
>she's an AI, so that's why she can travel freely around several regions, like actual-AI Sada/Turo that couldn't leave their Lab
Imaginationcucks, everyone.
>What is Herba Mystica and why can it do a variety of things like make giant titan pokemon, cure an otherwise uncurable dog, or increase shiny odds
idk, but there's no reason to assume it's caused by imagination
>What causes Terastallization to happen and how does it magically change a Pokemon’s type? Why the crystal aesthetic?
idk, but there's no reason to assume it's caused by imagination
>Assuming Terapagos causes Terastallization, what godlike powers does Terapagos have like any other legendary pokemon?
idk, but there's no reason to assume it can use imagination powers
>After all the researchers left Area Zero except the professor, how did they invent an AI robot? Game stats AI tech is impossible in the modern day. But the professor was able to make a robot with intelligent AI by themselves. Completely solo. No decades of research needed, made something 100x more advanced than Siri.
idk, but there's no reason to assume it's caused by imagination
>Why is Pokemon Horizons completely unrelated to time travel despite the fact Terapagos makes an appearance in it.
idk, but it has nothing to do with imagination either
>Why did a Shiny Rayquaza appear in the anime with a Terastallized texture all over its body right after Liko grasped her Terapagos pendant?
it was in the pokeball, this is established information
>idk, but there's no reason to assume it's caused by imagination
There is if you imagine there is
>idk, but there's no reason to assume it's caused by imagination
There is if you imagine there is
>idk, but there's no reason to assume it can use imagination powers
There's no reason to assume it can't
>idk, but there's no reason to assume it's caused by imagination
There's no reason to assume it wasn't
>idk, but it has nothing to do with imagination either
It does if you imagine it does
>Magic plants
>crystals= imagination is schizo shit
>Because no other Pokemon causes gimmicks?
>How did Bill invent a teleporter?
>Anime is moronic
>How is this relevant at all
1) I don't know what an Herba Mystica is.
2) Energy in Paldea, the same way energy in Galar lets you Dynamax, and energy in Kalos lets you mega evolve.
3) It's the source of the tera energy.
4) By inventing it. How did a kid in gen 1 invent a teleporter and pc storage system? It's fricking Pokemon. The technology is magic.
5) I don't know what Pokemon Horizons is.
6) Because the anime is shilling something?
The unrelated things are unrelated. The game says it's a time machine, so it's a time machine; simple as that.