On this day 14 years ago, July 10 2008, Persona 4 was released.
Since then, it has received countless spinoffs and sequels, and has become a beloved part of Ganker's culture. Please share your thoughts and memories related to this classic JRPG.
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>On this day
It's already July 11 in Japan, moron.
I like it
3 is better
tpbp
>beloved part of Ganker culture
LMAO
newbie
what? old Ganker woulda called you fatlus and hidden the thread
Persona 4 is Gankers favorite persona, new gay
>26 people voted for 1 and EP
Who are these people?
>Who are these people?
people with better taste than the ones who voted for the game that got snuffed out top place by 2 votes
EP is fricking trash, y'all are delusional. I would rather be forced to play SMT 1 and 2 than go through EP again, the only redeeming feature is maya
EP is fine if you play the psp remake version, ps1 EP is trash but so is IS on ps1. I do agree SMT1 and 2 are the better game, and I still rather play those games than any incarnation of P1 and P2ISEP, but to say P2EP is worse than P3 and any of it's versions, is just flatout wrong
As an EOP I can't comment on PSP EP, but PS 1 EP is definitely worse than 3. Tartarus is on par with the grueling dungeons of 2 but 2 has none of the characters or main story charm that 3 has. The only thing EP has over 3 is the music, everything about EP falls flat as a sequel to IS and as it's own story
My opinion is almost the exact opposite of what you just said. I found the P2EP dungeons to be a lot more engaging than just "Oh boy, more Tartarus but it's purple this time" or whatever the frick, but also I like the characters and story in 2 a hell of a lot more than P3. Admittedly, a lot of that comes from the fact that I played IS before EP, and thus the personality and characteristics that I associated with the cast of IS, I still applied to in EP despite IS handling the characters a lot better. The music is 3 I liked a lot more than 2EP, it's probably the only thing about 3 that I can wholeheartedly say I liked about P3, sure, songs like Mass Destruction or Iwatodai Dorm gets really irritating to hear over and over again when playing the game, but listening to the OST by itself I like those tracks, and I like most of the songs in general. EP OST, I just found forgettable to be honest. I agree that EP is a worse game compared to IS, I also agree it's overall a very mediocre rpg, and when considering it as a part of the Persona series, where you have some real great games in the series like P2IS, P4 and P5R, hell, I even like P1 and some of the spinoffs are pretty fun for what they are, 2EP is really lacking. But I still rather play 2EP (at least the PSP version), over 3 and any of it's incarnations, I hate Persona 3 that fricking much
What is it about 3 that repels you so much besides tartarus? I could see preferring IS and 1 to nusona in general but the hate boner for 3 seems bizarre in comparison to how bad EP is contrasted to 1 and IS
NTA, but I just want nice vibes. P3 just spends so much of time depressed and angry. The party members are snappy at each other, and half of them are non characters because no slinks. I'm aware that this is why some people like P3, but you should be aware that the opposite is true as well. It's not like memento mori is exactly a deep thing to dwell on either, and really it doesn't have a lot of interesting things to say (which I would say it has in common with the other persona games), but it just keeps it up for like an entire 100 hours.
The OST has also aged like dogshit.
I should start by saying I don't go out of my way to play games I know I will hate. So when I say I hate P3, I know there's worse games than P3 and realistically, it's an average game, I don't get what draws people to declare P3 their favourite over other games, outside of sentimental feelings, like nostalgia. But as to why I really dislike the game, I found the social links to be incredibly mediocre and forgettable generally, sure, there's some standouts like the cancer guy or the monk, but in general, it doesn't leave a strong impression on me, and I prefer P4 and 5 social links. The game's presentation is fricking appalling when you consider it's the same engine that nocturne is using, nocturne is a beautiful game with excellent use of lighting, colours, camera work and shadows, to help give the world a lot of atmosphere and depth. P3 has shit atmosphere in comparison. Nocturne does the miserable and oppressive atmosphere significantly better, P4 has a comfy vibe and P5, while the atmosphere isn't as good as other smt games, it does the virtual tourism aspect well compared to what P3 was kind of doing with it's own city setting. I don't like how the themes of "memento mori", depression and death is handled, as personally, it was done in incredibly poorly. I don't like most of the main cast that much, I like some like junpei, aigis, akihiko and shinji, but everybody else, was just barely outside that anime teenage stereotype range. People criticise P4 and P5 for doing the same, but to pretend the P3 cast isn't just a little more than your average "bro character, tsundere, rich girl, silent type, dog, obvious backstabber to the party, etc." is lying to themselves, and when I don't like or care about the characters, I don't care about the story around them. the tarturus sections and gameplay I disliked as previous stated. The length is also bad at around 90 hours I clocked in, I know P4 and P5 are around the same length, but they're also the better games
4 is literal dogshit and I still don't get why you subhumans pretend otherwise. It contributed nothing of value and new to the franchise where 3 started and 5 perfected the formula. It plays like a fricking chink rom hack of the previous game plus some QoL. One look at their main dungeon which is a literal version 2 of Tartarus means Atlus just didn't give a shit about it and cash out to what decent small success P3 had. It had the worst characters, story and music.
P3 had the story, cast and music.
5 had the gameplay perfected, the dungeons, presentation and it oozes with fricking style it puts all JRPGS to shame. It is easily the best JRPG of the last decade and there's no refuting this.
What 4 had over the other games? Absolutely fricking nothing. It is also stale from beginning to end.
5=3>dogshit>your taste>4
have a nice day P4Black folk no one likes you here.
people who actually play the games
EP is better than IS
>3 got dethroned
we did it 4chads
Adachiposting has been part of Ganker culture for years
newhomosexuals deserve the rope
smelly dumb newbie scum
sometimes I wonder where Jamal-kun is now
>Jamal-kun
Never fails to crack me up
cum inside nanako
That's the spirit!
this game coming out on PC was so huge, they had to make a new board.
I like it, I think its my favorite persona.
Nah I think they just wanted to kill the hivemind to let the phoneposters and tourist roam free on Ganker
Fantastic jrpg and kicks the shit out of persona 3. but nocturne and DDS are the better megaten PS2 games
>instantly turning it into game wars
Why are you the way that you are?
I don't see how I was turning it into a game war. Saying that I have a preference to nocturne and DDS is just that, a matter of preference. In terms of saying, it's a significantly better game than P3. 1. there's already been anon game warring before me on this thread, and 2. I really fricking hate persona 3, it's one of the few games that i've finished and left away with an incredibly bad impression of the game. I also just despise P3gays in general, not the most sophisticated of reasons, I know, but I've almost never had a good discussion about the game with these people about why I dislike it and why they like it. I had decent conversations with P2gays, P4gays, hell, I had a couple okay discussions with P5gays, but almost never with P3gays on this board
3 > 5 > 4
Cooe harder troony
I'm very willing to have a good discussion with P3gays and why you like the game, despite my immense hatred of the game but instead you want to make some game war and "muh troons" bullshit because you can't justify at all why your game is better besides your usual copes and whinging. face it, every other mainline personas, including 1, are undoubtedly the better games and experiences
Nope. 3 is objectively better than 4.
why?
Yukiko playing the saxophone.
jazz for your soul
>ywn have her
whats the fricking point of living bros
but it was released on December 9th?
I want to replay this with the JP audio.
It's definitely better in my opinion. Although it's probably the most divisive Persona JP dub because of Rise and Teddie.
If you play the PC version, there's a mod that improves the audio quality.
I doubt either is worse than EN Chie, the epitome of bad dub voices.
which EN chie? golden?
Golden, yeah.
I don't care for P4 Chie, but she is not the epitome of bad dub voices.
Surely you're not talking about vanilla Chie.
some takes only get worse with time
Possibly the most overrated game in Ganker history.
Obligatory I could have dated a real life Chie I was friends with in High School, had the looks, personality, and even hobbies and interests. I shouldn't have lost touch with her.
Yumi best.
her design is cute but 90% of her s.link is sitting in a hospital while that one sad piano song plays
The only homosexuals who love P4G Chie VA better than P4 VA have a case of "first is best" syndrome.
It was one of the last PS2 games I bought, around late '08/early '09. I people spoiling Adachi here before the English version even came out, but it didn't ruin the experience for me.
Chie is the heart and soul of Persona 4.
P4 was all Chie's fault.
On this day, 14 years ago... I was happy. Still in high school, friends and gfs, did a lot of excercise, had tons of dreams. Now I have nothing...
You have your friends in Inaba! And your friends on Ganker.org
Pretty much in the same boat as you, only now I do more exercise than I did back then. Try to take control of things within your grasp first
i thought the solution to this was to join the military when i was 21, but now I have a nicotine and alcohol problem.
hate yosuke
hate teddie
hate rise
love kanji
love yukiko
love nanako
simple as
>hate yosuke
>hate teddie
>hate rise
>love kanji
>love nanako
Bas-
>love yukiko
opinion discarded
>love yukiko
Based
Cringe
It's shit.
No, I won't elaborate.
>women love adachi the character
>women don't love me even though I'm literally adachi
this frickin world's so fricked up
That right there
is the face
of an innocent man
>Played P4 before and knew then that Adachi was the killer because of they say "IT'S A.COP."
>On replay, he goes in to get Rise and he says "Oh shit guys, couldn't find her. Huh? Me guard her? If only a creepy photographer was nearby. Oops haha maybe I should be more careful"
>To get brownie points with his S link, you just whine with him and let him be a dick.
I.wonder who could be the killer.
Hi I’m daisy!!
Just watch the damn video because I don’t feel like posting the pics one at a time
Most of you Black folk didn't even play the game till it was released on Steam and its more fervent fans are literal troons.
i'm trans and love p3 btw, not sure if that matters
How did Sega frick up the PC release of P4G so bad?
They mistakenly released P4G instead of P4.
haha epic, I like the part where we ignore the massive gameplay improvements because this one optional scene isn't to your liking
Exactly. I'm glad we agree.
Just kidding, I still need to play Golden. There's gameplay improvements?
>There's gameplay improvements?
New personas, new difficulty levels, Yyou can go out at night when dojima isn't home, two more towns to explore, you can teach your teammates new moves when riding the scooter, you get to choose which skills your personas get instead always being random everytime you reload your fusion option, you can use skill cards similar to P3P and P5/R, reblancing of characters, rise can use skills similar to futaba in P5/R, you can stack buffs and debuffs up to two times instead only once like p3 and base p4 (if you've played SMT5 or TMS, it's very similar to that buff/debuffing system) and there's tag team attacks for certain party combinations
Cool, I wasn't aware of that.
>massive gameplay improvements
>one optional scene
Anon being dishonest as usual. Shame.
I like the part where they thought adding Denuvo was a good idea
>sold more than the vita version in a couple months than the vita version did in its whole life time
Is this Snoy cope?
Now that the games will be released for all consoles and PC, I genuinely can't believe what Atlus was thinking when they not only did nothing during the Joker hype in 2019, but they also announced Royal exclusively on PS4 at around the same time. Was upper management 'avin a giggle and dabbing on Nintendo fans? Actual small indie company that didn't wanna take the time to downgrade? I don't believe there were any law abiding contractual agreements with anyone. It's just genuinely baffling how a company would be against sales. Even Jim Ryan knew Sony could wrangle in PC players with some late ports.
Atlus is one of the most incompetent devs and had to be dragged into the 21st century
>only released part 2 of Persona 2 on the PSX in the west
>make PSP remakes of Persona 2; only release part 1 of the remakes in the west
>make a psp remake of Devil Summoner and finish the localization; decide not to do so
>proceed to release the western release of the sequel to devil summoner exclusively on the 3DS
>make a SMT game exclusive to the xbox; never release it outside of japan
Atlus is fricking moronic.
Marie was pretty cute as a weathergirl
>countless spinoffs and sequels
>one sequel
>one remake
>3 spinoffs
you weren't supposed to count them
3 spinoffs is a ton for a game that was already a spinoff to begin with.
why is izanami such a pushover fight compared to nyx?
because you're not handicapped with AI teammates and she doesn't have 13 phases
Nyx's attacks are just more deadly. Almighty attack that can crit (I think) and knockdown, the occasional Repel All, and status ailments make for a decent challenge.
>damage gates
>charm
>constant affinity switches
>charm
>handicapped by moron party AI
>charm
>handicapped by moron party AI
Oh no, don't tell the p3 defense force that you think uncontrollable party AI is a bad idea that doesn't have any charm and doesn't make the characters feel like "individuals detached from the protag" because you're still adjusting commands for them.
don't even get me started. the worst is when they pretend the tactics commands actually work and accuse you of never switching from default.
trust me, dude. while adjusting the tactics commands to do stuff like "heal/support" or "hit weaknesses" while it still works most of the time, they still do dumbshit like using a buff instead of healing the party or using concentrate on a near dead enemy instead just hitting their weakness and saving both mp and time. These p3tards really can't handle the fact that it's a shit mechanic, that still fricks up despite optimally using it, lacks charm and doesn't help me feel like "they're their own characters, and your character is not the centre of attention." You can make this kind of mechanic work like with FF12, but there's a reason why manual party control completely shits on this kind of shit, jrpgs figured this shit out since FF1 and phantasy star 3. P3 just wants to be different for the sake of being different, which just means it wants to be worse.
>accuse you of never switching from default.
Kek, everytime, it's their favourite cope when you tell them it's a shit mechanic. but P3gays are always coping that their favourite game is the worst megaten/persona game, so just try to cut them some slack and tolerate it
phantasy star 1, not 3. point still stands, that early console jrpgs figured the party control thing decades before p3
the casuals have arrived
I still remember when I bought it. I was getting some Wii games and saw it on the PS2 shelf at Gamestop. "Wow there's a Persona 4?" I didn't have internet at the time but I bought P3FES a while back and loved it except for Nyx wasting an hour of my life. The gamestop cashier was shocked there were still new PS2 games being made after the PS3 and 360 being out for years
Soon you'll be allowed to post games like this on /vr/
See dude, I told you this shit happens everytime you talk negatively about the tactics system. the P3 Defense Force arrives to crawl into a foetal position and cry about the fact his game is dogshit and say "Nooooo!!!! it's you guys that has bad taste and is bad a video games, not me or my beloved boyfriend, p3fes!!!!"
Every character in this game is a fricking idiot, the Investigation Team are the worst detectives in history, they're completely passive and ineffective. The reveal of the killer was limp dicked at best, and really the whole plot is a cascading series of failures from top to bottom. Not a single character grows or is well written, the mystery is a sham, and the metaphysics trite. It survives entirely on it's rural tourism that dumbfrick city dwellers find so charming.
>teenagers are idiots
yup, sounds realistic to me, good game
>Every character in this game is a fricking idiot, the Investigation Team are the worst detectives in history
Objectively false. They managed to determine that Yameno and Saki's death were correlated, and determined that Nametame couldn't be the killer because of various things that wouldn't make sense for him if he was (The letter saying putting in and killed, and being happy that the victims are safe, and nametame's shadow being influenced by their malice).
> they're completely passive and ineffective.
The irony here is that Yu is one of he more passive protagonist, and outside of 3, maybe 4 things, his presence doesn't really change much. Compared to 5 where the entire game's gameplay loop is cleaning up your party members messes like a fricking babysitter.
>The reveal of the killer was limp dicked at best, and really the whole plot is a cascading series of failures from top to bottom.
Obviously the mystery in P4 isn't good, but you're missing the point if you thought that was the point of the game. The game even established early on that the killer's methods are untraceable.
>Not a single character grows or is well written
They are all well written, but I do agree that putting their development into SL is a mistake.
I remember going to buy this on release day. I was in a shit Canadian town so I had to go to 3 different EB Games to find the one place that had it.
All the girls fricking sucked to be honest.
Only Nanako for me, thanks.
Golden Sucks
Original is Better
>14 years ago
who the frick celebrates a 14th year anniversary? literally who fricking cares. come back in 6 to 11 years and maybe you'll have one worth commemerating
get bent get bent get bent
Chie sex
Chie sex
Sex with Chie
P3>P5>P4
Sorry P4 bros but your game is just not that amazing
this but the arrows are facing the opposite direction, sorry p3 bros but your game is just bad
> ive spent the past 3 days trying to catch the river guardian
lol rlly? it took me like 20 minutes
>its 1/31
>on hermit s.link 9
>talked to the old man for all the tips
>its snowing
>inaba israeliteel beetle as bait
>catching nothing but huge fish
Look at the bobber -- there is a special splash that will appear if it's the guardian. If it starts splashing and it's not the guardian, just cancel it. You'll save your bait and wont use up any time.
how do I cancel? even when I press "B" on my controller it doesn't go back to the bait screen
I think I misremembered -- the special splash will appear before the river guardian even takes the bait, like within a second or you initially casting it. If you wait for the fish to take the bait, it'll be too late.
I cant even cancel before the catch the bait
git gud.
Chie's spats after an afternoon of training.
P4 is good, but It would be a tough sell to say its the best. It's very comfy, rural town vibes with friends. The characters are some of the best; your own party + Dojima and Nanako make for an incredibly strong core cast of characters. That said, thematically, I think it's the least cohesive of the Hashino trilogy. I understand you are playing detectives, but it rarely feels like you are "finding the truth", and the characters core struggles don't tie in that neatly as well, but rather are just an assortment of personal problems they have. Also, the game had basically no improvements done from the systems introduced in P3, and in some ways regressed (less damage types, for example). And as a final nit, golden is also probably the worst of the "enhanced" versions compared to FES and Royal -- the extra content feels incredibly tacked on, and the extra social links don't really add anything to the story, but serve to pad it out and ruin the pacing of the end of the game.
>thematically, I think it's the least cohesive of the Hashino trilogy.
Anon. The entire theme of the game is the importance of self-expression and how being unable to find healthy outlets to express yourself will lead to those repressed emotions finding toxic outlets. The entire plot of the game was caused by this, the midnight channel runs on that theme, and every social link involves that .
> but it rarely feels like you are "finding the truth"
There are very specific choices that will lead you to getting the bad ending and requires you to notice things that the game had mentioned prior. In fact, the game tries it's best to convince you to throw Nametame into the tv, almost as if finding the truth isn't easy, and a believable lie might be better for everything.
The entire game was a collaboration with your party to gather clues or make observations that only they could.
>and the characters core struggles don't tie in that neatly as well
Elaborate.
>Also, the game had basically no improvements done from the systems introduced in P3, and in some ways regressed (less damage types, for example). And as a final nit, golden is also probably the worst of the "enhanced" versions compared to FES and Royal -- the extra content feels incredibly tacked on, and the extra social links don't really add anything to the story, but serve to pad it out and ruin the pacing of the end of the game.
I do agree, Golden's story additions make it worse. Only pro is Adachi's SL.
>Elaborate
The game basically has two themes going on, "reaching out the truth", as well as what you said, about repressed desires. Perhaps they are going for "finding the truth" implies "finding your true self", but I think outside of the obvious parellels in the language used to describe those two things, they really aren't that similar. Additionally, the game does a very poor job of establishing the premise of needing to healthily express yourself. MC, Yusuke, and Chie really just don't have that much baggage going on, while the latter party members all do, so it starts off incredibly weak, and still feels a little lopsided. I'm not saying it's thematically uncohesive, but compared to the other 2, I think it's the weakest in that department.
Look at P5 as a counter example: the over theme is pretty similar, it's about outcasts rebelling against society, the only difference is the game does a much better job at establishing this. From the very start, you are an outcast, and the game continues like that. You never join a school club, and very few of your confidants even go to your school. Ryuji and Ann also have much more baggage. Considering how much shit your character deals with for the first hour or so of the game, when you do finally acquire your persona it feels incredibly cathartic, since as a player you are in a similar boat with the MC. Yu just kind of gets his powers in P4, without much real reasoning behind it. Additionally, after the party members in P5 gets their persona, they are still actively rebelling in a cohesive way -- by beating the shit out of things and dressing it up in fun costumes.
>There are very specific choices that will lead you to getting the bad ending and requires you to notice things that the game had mentioned prior.
I'm aware, but 2 dialogue trees at the end of the game aren't exactly an amazing way to tie a theme to a 60+ hour game.
>That said, thematically, I think it's the least cohesive of the Hashino trilogy.
Never go full moron. P4 is the only thematically cohesive game in the series.
P4 >>>>>>> P4G
moron
I need a weirdo gf like yukiko
I've been replaying it again and I unironically think the combat and dungeons are genuine dogshit, they're just hallways and it's so slow
The quests are the worst part too, RNG drops and godawful weather affecting spawns of some enemies
And the other thing that pisses me the frick off is the note SLink system being random even if you bring a matching persona you STILL have a chance to only hit two notes. God I hate it, I wanna have fun with it again but everything that isn't the story and atmosphere is just so weak.
Why did everyone look so old in the epilogue? Wasn't it just like 3 months?
Only Yukiko did.
That hairstyle is not flattering.
boobs too small
Personally as someone who came in at P3, it's the forgotten middle between how raw P3 is and how streamline and modern P5 is. It's cozy, sure. I find the change to knock downs going forward is a bit silly. They used to be your whole turn. like that was the point. You were downed Not to mention the streamlining of the three different physical attack types is my least favourite thing about modern smt.
>streamlined
The only part that is better is the velvet room fusion mechanics themselves. Everything else just gets more convoluted for no reason.
>more damage types while two of them are still fricking useless (L/D) outside of trash mobs
>conversation conversion therapy with your demons instead of just picking up their card
>separate dungeon explicitly for grinding and playing the RPG side
>story dungeons are so scripted you are forced to leave constantly for no reason
>similarly forced to lose your night actions far too often, midnight channel watching was bad enough but was at least tied to the story
>dumb followups constantly,
fricking hated it when yukiko would interrupt me to ask to break my combo with a shitty knockdown on the weakest enemy in the battle, now you have to do these gay baton pass combo piledriver shit moves that take 10 years to go through. Chie and Yukiko's automatic followup combo move was obnoxiously slow in the same way.
>fricking hated it when yukiko would interrupt me to ask to break my combo with a shitty knockdown on the weakest enemy in the battle
literally just press circle
as OP I literally just say no. That is the argument I was makin towards P3's system where knockdowns meant something.
shit Not OP to this thread lol I guess I was sidetracted.
Anyway here's akihiko
>game is about Persona 4 turning 14 years old
>whole thread is like a console war thread with people saying 3 better, 5 better, oldsona better, etc.
Personagays everyone
such is life, and so is almost any other (insert series here)gays. Do you seriously think this kind of shit doesn't happen with any other series that's discussed on this board?
drop Marie down to D and we're golden
post the tiermaker and I'll set you straight
who the frick is the last girl in F?
the daycare mom
it's the stepmom from the daycare
eri minami, step mum of little shit
I have a friend who is turbo weeb and he bought me this game and a few others during a Steam sale. Will this game filter me if I never played Jap games?
You might find it incredibly boring. You might not. I don't know. I don't fricking know you.
I can play boring games. I'm wondering if Nip games have mechanics that would absolutely filter me.
>play game
>guys get shit on
>girls get away with it scot-free
shit game
>play game
>sociopath is a gamer
>is also a bad person
surprisingly accurate
>download the game on vita after dropping it years ago
>ok it's not as bad as I remember
>instantly romance Chie
yeah, game is good
I bought my vita for it and imported copy from europe to play. I never beat it, i got stuck at evil teddy 2nd phase. I do have it on Steam Deck now too
Shadow Teddy is just an endurance test
I fricked the 15 year old reverse trap, saving her from mutilating her woman parts and awakening her motherly instincts.
P3>P5>P4