I think the real Xbox killer was that Kinect conference. It's hard to recall now but the Xbone was being promoted as a Kinect 2 integral experience. Somehow it was the Kinect that completely derailed Xbox and set them down the path to total destruction.
It didn’t help but actively saying that members of the armed forces can go frick themselves and stick with the 360 was a complete 180 from the dudebro call of duty frick yeah attitude Microsoft still chases.
Mandatory Kinect and mandatory online connection. The whole console experience was supposed to be some kind of voice/motion controlled abomination, for literally anything but video games. They really came out with their dick swinging in the breeze with this console. "Micro" "soft" indeed.
But my point is that this wasn't a turning point. The twilight years of the 360 were miserable. By the time they did this, they were already on a huge decline.
>still chases
They haven't chased that demographic since mattrick, they made halo into a shitty sci fi focused series where you had to read books to even know what the story was, they put a woman lead in gears of war, had a remedy developed exclusive, a skater style insomniac game & a bunch of other wannabe sony bait shit. Only very recently did they decide they wanted the dudebro audience via cod & that can't be made exclusive for 10 years.
The from mattrick to phil xbox has had no distinct identity besides making terrible decisions & propping up shitty studios like 343.
Phil could've easily propped up Xbox as the AA game system of choice in sharp contrast to the Sony blockbuster walking simulators with all the studios he bought out.
But no, he did frick all.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>But no, he did frick all.
True, not trying to absolve phil but I suspect he's just a symptom of microsofts overall commitment to being moronic. I honestly can't think of a single thing the company has done since XP that wasn’t either a frick up or mediocre choice that was simply tolerated due to their position as the default operating system on pcs propping their company up financially. I guess cloud services but that's all I can think of which from the typical consumer perspective means frick all. Even the 360 was a disaster with it's quality control problems but they had bungie who were probably the ones responsible for all the xbox live advancements. Since the 360 was a cheaper console & much easier to develop for than the ps3 saved it for the first half of it’s life but then microsoft's anti midas touch finally caught up with the brand. For ever frick up mattrick & phil had done there was a group of execs above them cosigning every one of their decisions, somehow phil convinced the new ceo to not kill the xbox brand with his disastrous track record & gave him a blank check to piss even more money away on their dead brand.
I suspect they would go out of business if not for windows, office, their cloud servers & whatever other subscription services they sell to businesses.
No, it was totally the X-box reveal, nothing to do with their waggle tech.
The timeline was:
1. WHY ON EARTH WOULD I WANT TO LIVE THERE/online DRM shit in a console
2. X-box One reveal
3. Sony "you can give your old games to friends, we aren't morons lmao" video at E3 to remind that MS was going to pull that bullshit after backlash.
They could not recover consumer trust for at least another 5 years/next X-box generation becasue they absolutely destroyed their reputation in the (now 40-50, 20-30, and 10-19 markets) for three generations.
Sony also won back a lot of trust/prestige by refocusing on gamers when they realized they were losing to xbox for a while. I still member being exhausted with E3 confs being so braindead normie blahblah bullshit then sony had a couple of years where they just showed cool footage and announcements with almost no talking, they announced shenmue 3, ff7R, last guardian all in a row, etc shame those turned out to be duds and snoy just dropped japan studio to focus on naughtydogshit clones now.
>Sony also won back a lot of trust/prestige by refocusing on gamers
ps4 was the sony console where they started to charge for online play, the consumer friendly image they had was a complete fabrication, they still israeliteed consumers where they can get away with it
gamers are of course moronic enough to believe them hook, line, and sinker
3 months ago
Anonymous
Still, it was preferable to the Xbox One which says it all really.
>nothing to do with their waggle tech.
It made the console $100 more expensive and PS4 had a slightly higher resolution on that Call of Duty game where the resolution's impact on the console war was the only memorable thing about the game.
It was quickly dropped but it was too late, Xbox was done.
>It's hard to recall now but the Xbone was being promoted as a Kinect 2 integral experience.
Shit, I completely forgot about that. The shitstorm about Kinect being always on, a spy box and stuff like that.
The Xbone was preemptively banned from being brought into military bases because of it. My roommates insisted on keeping theirs in the living room for all of 4 hours before I started saying "xbox bing anal prolapse" over and over. It was a remarkably stupid piece of shit at launch
Oh yeah, Xbox was a big deal in the military since "muh americaaaa". But the Snowden shit and the fact that the console was announced with country-specific DRM killed any hope for personnel abroad. Microsoft really didn't fricking understand the audience.
>The shitstorm about Kinect being always on, a spy box and stuff like that.
Ah shill lie marketing from back in the day. Bing bing. Meanwhile the playstation controller mic is always on by default.................
The Kinect had a big part in the destruction of the brand, but MS could've just dropped the forced kinect and take it out of the box (which they did) in order to fight the PS4's price.
But there's one liiiiiiiiiiiittle thing that happened days earlier, which amped the Kinect's bad juju tenfold: The Snowden leaks. This fricking destroyed any trust in the device.
What’s funny about the paranoia around the kinect being used by the nsa for spying is virtually everyone already has a phone & tons of wifi connected devices that the nsa can access whenever they want.
3 months ago
Anonymous
The same people who pissed and shitted themselves over an always on kinect are the same people who have Google Nests and Alexas in every room of their house listening to every word they say. Lmao
3 months ago
Anonymous
Doubt that
3 months ago
Anonymous
According to their own internal leaks the iPhones were easy to hack, Androids not so much.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>hack
They only need to do that when they're targeting someone who's covering their tracks, everyone else has all their internet, cellular & sms data vacuumed up en mass via direct connection to backbone of the internet, paying service providers, and virtually every single company on the internet for that matter, for bulk data collection of all their customers & threatening ridiculous fines against anyone who resists this arrangement.
Kinect was Mattrick seeing the Wii's popularity and trying to copy that homework in the most expensive and wasteful way possible to appeal to casuals and w*men, then had the temerity to make the successor unit mandatory on the launch XB1.
Yeah, with PC drivers you can do pretty cool shit with Kinect... Funnily enough, it's worth using for experiments and alternate input methods, not so much for actual games.
>PS1's "299" killing Sega consoles immediately
A deadly blow, to be sure, but not exactly "patient zero" when Sega were shooting themselves in the foot daily in that era with no input required from their competitors.
Sega was already shooting themselves in the dick with garbage like the Sega CD and 32X but I do agree that it is one of the most badass moments in game development history
Whoever decided that's what their speech would be deserved a fat check from the 100+ million PSX sales
you could also add the release of the ps3, though they were lucky that the 360 had the red ring, and also all the brand loyalty and awarness they had amassed on the previous two gens
How is Series S/X having no games and all the acquisitions producing either nothing or multi-million dollar flops Mattrick's fault? The guy was a tard but he hasn't been in charge of Xbox for years.
I think that if MS hadn't completely fallen face first into the pile of shit that was the Kinect, they probably would've still had a preferential relationship with third parties. Like the only reason why the Playstation is now in a privileged position is because Xbox would not stop shooting itself in the foot over and over and over again. At this point in time, neither console does anything special and both use basically the same commodity hardware. I don't think MS would've gone on this disastrous spending spree if they had stayed the course.
It's more that Mattrick's moronation in both decision making and that statement pushed a sizable amount of their target demographic away into Sony's hands and then their focus on Kinect continued to poison the well. To add insult to injury the Xbone ran games significantly worse than the base PS4 did until the Xbone X came out, but at that point it was too little, too late.
Phil has made some awful decisions in terms of handling exclusives and how hands-off he is in terms of policing some of the devs they're funneling money to, but he's at least tried to right the sinking ship for years. He's pushed for consumer-friendly options, he funded BC heavily, he's tried diversifying their portfolio of developers and projects even if not every game succeeds, he's funded exclusives (But again, see the issue with being hands off), he's pushed for cross-play, he's teamed up with Nintendo, he's
People have already made up their minds with Xbox long ago. The only people who really stay on it anymore are people who want Game Pass, people who have years of games or achievements on it and can't justify switching, or have their friend group on it. Most devs aim for PS5 first so the SeX isn't always getting the best versions of games, physical games are basically going the way of the dodo now for Xbox only, if you bought a SeS you get a significantly worse experience than both a PS5 and SeX on modern games, and you miss a lot of the hyped up exclusives that are in the culture zeitgeist that are on Playstation.
Say what you will, but Final Fantasy, The Last of Us, Spider-man 2, etc all pull people. Wolverine may look "more or the same" but it's still gonna pull in millions of people. Starfield was their chance at pulling people back into their ecosystem and it worked: for all of two or so weeks until everyone soured on it. They've failed their one major chance to pull people back in. Now they're holding out hope with Indiana Jones and Blade by the sounds of it.
I never said they didn't. I said those titles are what get people talking and interested in the system. Go look at Spider-man 1's reception as a single example.
The Xbox problem is solely the fact that they don't make any good games. That's it. It has nothing to do with their games coming to PC or whatever, it's not like everything they release is a massive hit on PC while sucking on Xbox, most of the games are just shit and it's no more complicated than that. Sony doesn't make good games either, but they've got their movie shit audience locked down even though most people play Fortnite or whatever the hell.
>Any console brand can come back from any disaster.
Poor example to be posting.
Imagine having this one-hit wonder and then having the brand crash in slow motion for the entire generation, then Jimbo the Frickhead comes along and press FF>> on the whole thing.
the PSP is succeeded by the Vita which despite attempts from multiple developers putting out great games for it and fan support, it died a poor death signaling that no matter how much money you pump into a beloved handheld/console, people arent gonna care enough to buy it.
Vita was killed from the inside. The leadership at the time signaled their distain for it and it had horrific support from Sony and the execs. Most of it's games were just dumbed down ports of PS3 games or remasters of PS2 games
PSP sold 80+ million units, anon. It’s the third highest selling dedicated handheld ever after the DS and GB/GBA (if we count them as one handheld). MS would kill for this kind of a “disaster”.
>you're disasters are still critically acclaimed by almost everyone and massive successful
Why did anyone ever think xbox was better than Sony? The ps3 wasn't THAT bad compared to the 360
The PS3 was super expensive at launch and it literally didn't had any notable games for a few years. It was worse for most multiplatform games because of the weird CPU architecture, especially early on. And PSN had less online features and a less active community than Xbox Live. It was until Demon's Souls that they started to turn things around.
PS3 was expensive and had no games for many years. Xbox 360 was affordable and had far better lineup at start. In the long run PS3 was better, but 360 had a better start.
The Xbox brand was never really alive to start. Well it was but not in the way people remember.
People look back on Sega as some pillar of console gaming when really they had one successful ad campaign. People forget that campaign was fought against the ailing Famicom. They also forget that it never happened in Japan either. They had a couple years of fun with Sonic dabbing on the Famicom, but the Super Famicom, and their committed sepuku in the second half of the Mega Drive's life with the CD and 32X, destroyed that anomaly. Pulling one over on monopoly era Nintendo can be commended, but they were never more than an anomaly and one successful NA marketing campaign, at least when you ignore arcades.
Xbox was never a pillar of consoles either. They just slid by on the mistakes of PS3 and then immediately hanged themselves with a shitty add-on, just like Sega, while Sony responded to their failures with the PS3 slim and a bunch of shitty movie games that normalgays loved.
Come one anon, spastic nintendie dribble like that might be fine on reddit but the Xbox 360 was the premium console of the era. The PS2/PS1 was the last great sony console
Phil Spencer killed Xbox console as a brand. Xbox console brand is done, out the door. The suits at Microsoft just want to sell games and rent subs, everybody involved in Microsoft Games hardware is getting axed.
>, everybody involved in Microsoft Games hardware is getting axed.
why?
Who fricking cares where Sony went. Sony hasn't done anything to change gaming culture. Xbox's new trend is the elimination of physical gaming and cloud streaming on the side.
>the elimination of physical gaming and cloud streaming on the side.
bingo winrar
Xbox is games development and games console. Their current console has a December fire sale of $350 X and $150 S in America and they still came in third place. The Nintendo Switch at $299 and in its 7th year beat the Series S and X. No fricking shit Xbox exclusives are going to PS5 and Switch, the Xbox console brand is underwater.
I fully expect Xbox Series console production to end this year.
>Their current console has a December fire sale of $350 X and $150 S in America and they still came in third place. The Nintendo Switch at $299 and in its 7th year beat the Series S and X. No fricking shit Xbox exclusives are going to PS5 and Switch, the Xbox console brand is underwater. >I fully expect Xbox Series console production to end this year.
I really don't care about shit in the last decade which has been universally garbage. The story of the last decade is fricking fortnite and its just a twist on unreal tournament 3. Gaming is fricking dead. The switch is the usual nintendo moronic thrash for morons. GPUs have been expensive and now the whole lot is going to the 'cloud' along with everything else being hosting on fricking azure, Amazon and google and its sucks. You get what you fricking deserve.
This. Why the frick is no one blaming Spencer? >buys studios for fricking BILLIONS not even just billions the entire worth of entire nations >does nothing with them but make shit like Redfall and Starflop (yes i know starfield was in development before microsoft's buyout but it doesnt look good on microsoft to release this shit back to back with bethesda's name on it) >cancels games >actively says that buying an xbox is a waste of money >gives away their entire catalogue for like a dollar
Because he's mostly been doing nothing. An absolutely aggressive amount of nothing to the point of negligence, but still mostly nothing by the end of the day. Mattrick was actively antagonizing consumers, and the state of the games Xbox was putting out at the time means that few people would ask any questions when Spencer started canceling more of them.
>Because he's mostly been doing nothing.
In practice he does nothing but he constantly acts like he's gonna do something, he's like a politician that's on a never ending campaign for election making endless promises that never come to fruition over & over again into perpetuity.
You really don't see blatant "Patient Zero" moments like this often
One of the other few ones I can think of that was at this level was PS1's "299" killing Sega consoles immediately
IT's astonishing how you can see the dominoes falling in such a drastic way because Mattrick was a typical exec frickhead who hated anything successful that he wasn't present for.
Let's be clear, the reason Kinect got pushed SO HARD in the latter years of the 360 and the beginning of the Xbone is because it was the project Mattrick started (to chase that Wii money).
Mattrick wanted Xbox to succeed because of his input and his fingers in the pie and decided to tank everything else about the division to push his stupid camera toy
The cancer started with Kinect years earlier.
They wanted the Wii audience instead of sticking with actual gamers.
To be fair the first Kinect sold millions of units, so it was easy to make the business case for a Kinect 2. Not for building the whole console around it, but it was pitched as mandatory to satiate developers who didn't want to invest in making Kinect games because of the smaller install base.
Don tried to get them to make "real" games for the Kinect but a controller that fails to read your input 5% of the time is by definition a defective controller.
The other confusing thing about the conference was the emphasis on it being a cable box at a time when cord-cutting was taking off. I suspect it's because cable companies saw consoles as a threat because young people were using them to stream, and pressured Microsoft to incorporate cable functionality.
https://i.imgur.com/NcYUDLM.jpg
ONE CONFERENCE
IT TOOK ONLY ONE CONFERENCE TO FRICK IT ALL UP
After bailing from Microsoft, Don Mattrick because the CEO of Zynga, where he then tanked their stock price and got replaced by the previous CEO after just 18 months.
When he came in the one game they had on the top 10 app store charts was Zynga Poker, and somehow Don managed to frick that up. They made a "new and improved" version, but boomers and soccer moms hated it and it fell off the app charts overnight. So they panicked and brought back "Classic" Zynga poker
The event itself was a big hit, but it’s what followed that was an actual problem. Event only showed that they don’t care about games, which could have been salvaged. But then they backed it up with actions later.
There hasn’t been a single prominent game or a franchise born or brought back after 360 era.
Microsoft literally been dancing on a rotting corpse of Halo and Gears of war for over a decade.
That on top of One being notably inferior in all of the multi platform games made it an absolute pointless purchase.
>shirt and coat are too big and the sleeves are too long >unbuttoned top button and no tie >wrinkly coat >messy, unkempt hair >fricked up teeth
Never trust a multi-millionaire "corporate executive" who can't even dress himself. When you have that kind of money, there's no excuse to look like a complete slob
>When you have that kind of money, there's no excuse to look like a complete slob
when you have that kind of money, you don't give a frick what you look like. People still treat you like you're god's gift to mankind
>when you have that kind of money, you don't give a frick what you look like
When you take role of a public speaker and public face of the company you have too.
If you don't know how there are people who do it for pay.
the kinect started the downward spiral and that year's e3 and reveal of the xbone sealed the deal
i have never wanted a piece of technology so far away from my house as i did the xbone
Ya it absolutely did. It had a head start on the PS3 and a ton of great games early on, many of them Xbox exclusives.
It was much better priced than the PS3 too.
Nah, it objectively wasn't. The original PS3 was a shitshow in comparison.
Who gives a frick what you think, you clearly weren't there.
3 months ago
Anonymous
The original 360 didn't even support HDMI or DVI you brainlet. It was garbage
3 months ago
Anonymous
>The original 360 didn't even support HDMI or DVI you brainlet. It was garbage
Neither did the PS2 (its main competition at launch) the 360 Elite and Slim did though, in fact the 360 line got HDMI quite quickly. Why do people like you who know very little about consoles or technology post on the subject?
3 months ago
Anonymous
kek this
Back in the day people still had CRTVs. HDMI would not become the standard until the 2010s
3 months ago
Anonymous
HDTVS weren't even a fricking thing back then you moron. They were expensive as shit and only a handful of people had them
3 months ago
Anonymous
Because HDMI was rare as shit in 2005, and Component cables were good enough for the few HD TVs out there.
The original 360 was fricking horrible dude
Also absolute cope.
It fell off later in its lifespan but it utterly dominated over PS3 for most of the generation, both in exclusives and multi-plats.
3 months ago
Anonymous
It literally came in last place kek, you microcucks need to take off your nostalgia glasses >PS2 >Wii >PS3 >DS >Xbox 360
And that was even with 54% of all 360s getting RROD which means many had to buy another console
3 months ago
Anonymous
>sony's b***h accusing other people of being brand prostitutes >me who never owned an xbox (but I owned the ps3)
why are the ps2 and ds even on the list? also even accounting for the marginal sales of the ps3 over the x360 they still had a better reputation during most of the generation (even including the awareness that sony got with the psX/ps2) + not to mention that sony lose a shit ton of money thanks to the ps3 while microsoft had to give new xboxs to msot people affected by the RROD
3 months ago
Anonymous
Okay, now I know you're definitely a zoomer. Most people back then were still playing on CRTs or EDTVs. Component out could do 720p and if you had a flatscreen then the jump from 480p of the last gen to 720p was fricking mind blowing. You weren't there.
3 months ago
Anonymous
i remember doing my best to read the text for dead rising on my crt, lol
3 months ago
Anonymous
I can attest to this. I only had a crt at home and I brought my 360 with component to school where they had an early 720p TV and it looked incredible
homie everyone loved the 360 from 2005 to 2010 even though the consoles were fricking blowing up. The exclusives and online were just that good. Then everyone switched over to PS3 once Uncharted and TLOU blew up and MS became pre-occupied with the fricking Kinect. The PS3 victory over the 360 was incredibly small and that gen went on so fricking long that most people ended up with both consoles by the end of it.
This was the moment Xbox's wall finally came down. Everything before it was increasingly splintered cracks appearing but this moment was the sheer impact that brought the motherfricker down.
Can you imagine what it must have been like to be the Sony guys on the night Microsoft did their reveal? They saw how bad the reaction was and knew they had done the complete opposite. Must have felt great. You can also tell they stayed up that night reworking the presentation to emphasize these things, because they came out with some really simple PowerPoint slides that were obviously made quickly to emphasize no always online and the ability to share games.
They must have stayed up that night and brainstormed "how can we rework this presentation that we've had ready for months to twist the knife in Microsoft's gut?" I'd love to see an interview with someone high up at Sony about what was going on behind the scenes that night.
>They saw how bad the reaction was and knew they had done the complete opposite.
They actually didn't, there were rumors at the time sony has similar features in the works but microsoft just beat them to the reveal. They were just able to flip script fast.
Basically this. People forget that Sony hated used sales and were already dabbling in digital only and other ways to restrict resales such as registration codes. The difference is Microsoft had the tech side figured out better.
that easy to believe considering how many of the sales (espcially during the second half of gen7) where towards the third world and everything related to piracy and second hand sales, and also the fact that sony's executive are equaly if not bigger buttholes than the ones in microsoft
Is it really the case? Early firmwares should have some clues about that and nothing came out of that.
And don't come with the 'muh battery cell problem' - that was a bug that would screw the game launch when trying to calculate trophy times (and fail because the "hidden" internal clock is set to epoch and the calculation underflows).
>You can also tell they stayed up that night reworking the presentation to emphasize these things, because they came out with some really simple PowerPoint slides that were obviously made quickly
Yeah. They probably had a lot of 'computing power', 'muh online', 'share button' and other feature-filled material to share, but instead of talking about those bullet points they just went 'you can do these basic things just like in the previous gens!'
That sharing game video was clearly a rush job too, the area is some sort of backstage and they just fricking went with it. So(y)ny is now Californian trash, but back then they went full speed ahead and fricking obliterated the Xbone. Fun times.
I think if a console didn't work at all unless it was connected to the internet or you had to buy a 3rd party peripheral for it to work, you would still see some shitstirring
Compare 2013, just 2013. Xbox was selling on par with PS4. After Mattrick left Phil canned almost all the games besides Halo and just do nothing but saying "games are coming!" and they never did. He had 10 years to prop it up but he didn't. He doesn't get enough shit for what he did or didn't just because he wars Starcraft or Hexen t-shirt lmao. He wasn't a good leader and should've been replaced with a businessman.
November 2013, everyone bought PS4 out the gate because no one stood up as real competition. Sony didn't even try THAT hard, PS4 was a very mediocre generational leap. Still had zero real competition.
But no one was actually buying Xbone because of the avalanche of bad press it was getting with its mandatory Kinect integration, 24 hour internet connectivity checks, and open war on secondhand sales. It walked all of that back, but the damage was done in the public's eyes. Not to mention PS4 was $100 cheaper at launch with none of the bad press. It was a slaughter from the start.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Dude, stop. Here's the actual numbers. Compare Xbone to PS4. It did fine in it's first year. It was after the first year it went to shit.
3 months ago
Anonymous
360 numbers are super inflated. Everyone I know bought 2-3 consoles due to the rrod killing their console
3 months ago
Anonymous
Life to date numbers for old gen seems off too but still, you can see Xbone was head to head with PS4. After Phil came in to the power he did nothing to improve it.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Why would they buy extra consoles when MS would give you a new one when you sent in an RRoD'd unit?
3 months ago
Anonymous
Well you see zoomer. It was actually a huge pain in the ass to get it set up with MS support and 50% of the time they would never send you a box to ship the console back anyways.
3 months ago
Anonymous
That reads to me like one decent holiday season and a fair trouncing otherwise. Those numbers show a pretty consistent lag for most of the year.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Consistent lag would've lead to 100M Xbones and 120M PS4s. Not 40M Xbones and 120M PS4s.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Within the context of that one year documented, obviously. No shit the spread got wider as time went on.
3 months ago
Anonymous
That's the point dumbo, after first 2 years they stopped making any games for it. Phil Spencer is the one who should be blamed for last 10 years of Xbox, not Don Mattrick after he left the MS for 10 years already.
3 months ago
Anonymous
But the numbers in that chart show that it wasn't working in (what I assume to be) 2014 either. It's also clearly not worldwide because >Wii LTD: 41.6mil
so if I have to wager a guess, these are American sales, which is like the one region that Xbox does fine in, and EVEN THEN PS4 still held a healthy lead.
3 months ago
Anonymous
It's not just about winning le sales. If Xbone had even 80M sales then MS wouldn't have the need to turn into third party since they could be self sufficient as a department instead. Sony or Nintendo would've already turned into third party if they were in MS' place with those sales though.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Spencer's decision to even entertain going third party is partly his own doing, but it also is partly him adopting the reins of a sinking ship. Mattrick left a tire fire and the next guy had to put it out. As a brand, Xbox already had greatly diminished appeal in 2013 compared to 2008.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Same shit happened to Sony and everyone remembers PS3 as a good console at least in the end. Because Sony pumped out games after games during PS3, especially in late PS3 era. Many of the PS4 staples are direct or spiritual continuations of Uncharted trilogy, inFamous duology and God of War.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, and early PS3 is considered a shitshow. Look at the chart that was previously posted and see how badly the 360 beat the PS3 in whatever nondescript region that is (again, probably America because that sure as shit isn't Europe or Japan). Sony looked at Wii, made the Move, had people take it or leave it, and moved on with their lives. Microsoft made the Kinect and it basically became the 360's late game identity. Very different avenues and positions leading into the next generation. Had 2007-2009 Microsoft presented a next gen console it probably would've went over a lot better, but Kinect already made them something of a laughing stock.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Yeah, and early PS3 is considered a shitshow
That's my point anon. Phil Spencer had 10 years to fix that shit, he didn't. He actively cancelled games and closed studios.
3 months ago
Anonymous
And my point is that Phil Spencer walked into a fire with no plan. Things were already burning when he took the helm.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Sony went back from bankruptcy. Phil had no excuse, he should've stepped down years ago if he wasn't up to the task. He might be le cool gamer uncle but he's not a good businessman. Kaz Hirai became Sony's CEO after he salvaged PS3 for example because he was that good.
3 months ago
Anonymous
All fair assessments. I'm just saying that very real problems with Xbox predate Phil. That he wasn't up to the task of course correcting doesn't make things like Kinect and Xbone's abysmal public messaging his fault, he inherited the fruits of those mistakes with his rise to leadership. The fault absolutely lies with Mattrick on those points. I don't know who at MS has the chops to try but it's almost a moot point now.
3 months ago
Anonymous
That doesn’t excuse Phil literally doing nothing for two generations as leader of Xbox. At some point you have to stop blaming Don mattrick for everything and you have to blame Phil Spencer for the situation Xbox finds themselves in. Also under Don we got the last few interesting games like the new killer instinct while Phil greenlit that turd battle toads reboot
3 months ago
Anonymous
It doesn't. The crossroads they find themselves at now is mostly Spencer's doing. People hold shit against Mattrick because the frickups began with him and his are more explosively memorable. Spencer is mostly responsible for, as you said, doing nothing. The guy's almost impossible to notice these days outside of his depressing little talk a year or so back.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Kaz Hirai became Sony's CEO after he salvaged PS3 for example because he was that good. >was
If he was so good, why did he leave?
The Xbox brand was never really alive to start. Well it was but not in the way people remember.
People look back on Sega as some pillar of console gaming when really they had one successful ad campaign. People forget that campaign was fought against the ailing Famicom. They also forget that it never happened in Japan either. They had a couple years of fun with Sonic dabbing on the Famicom, but the Super Famicom, and their committed sepuku in the second half of the Mega Drive's life with the CD and 32X, destroyed that anomaly. Pulling one over on monopoly era Nintendo can be commended, but they were never more than an anomaly and one successful NA marketing campaign, at least when you ignore arcades.
Xbox was never a pillar of consoles either. They just slid by on the mistakes of PS3 and then immediately hanged themselves with a shitty add-on, just like Sega, while Sony responded to their failures with the PS3 slim and a bunch of shitty movie games that normalgays loved.
>Sonic dabbing on the Famicom
That never happened, schizoid.
>Mass Effect
Not an exclusive. >NG2
Fair. >Saints Row
It was okay. 2 was better. >Halo 3
Halo killed the FPS genre, no thanks. >DOA 4
Tekken is better. >GoW
Brown n' bloom cover shooter.
>Halo killed the FPS genre
Delusions upon delusions.
>Xbox HUEG >introduced paid online to gaming
>360 >RROD >Brownan Blooman TPS
>Xbone >Needs an internet connection at all times >Constant Kinect spying on you
>XboneX, SeX and SeS >literally nothing of note
Microsoft was ALWAYS a shit console company, weren't they
>as he posted from his Windows OS
Nintendo always does their own thing they're like Switzerland you cant really compare the PS5 and Switch they're for two entirely different niches
>Nintendo always does their own thing they're like Switzerland
Switzerland isn't neutral anymore.
November '08 is when everything started to go to shit for Xbox. They got rid of the Blades UI in favor of a slow UI with Mii ripoffs and tons of advertising.
>advertising BAD
Why???
3 months ago
Anonymous
>he needs advertisements in his console's dashboard
Why?
3 months ago
Anonymous
Tell me what's so bad about advertising to your users.
3 months ago
Anonymous
It's bloat you fricking Black person
3 months ago
Anonymous
And? What's the problem in getting the word out for your games?
Frick off I go on my console to play games not get blasted with israeli propaganda
but *huff* *huff* israeli *huff* *huff*
Go for a walk, fatty.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>defends israelites
You're not fooling anyone moshe
3 months ago
Anonymous
Small ads are fine. Full screen ads promoting Starfield as soon as you turn on your console.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Full screen ads
That never happens more than once.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Oh, that's okay then.
3 months ago
Anonymous
you dont have to defend advertisements anonymous, its fine to not want them
3 months ago
Anonymous
>its fine to not want them
It's fine if Ponies want to go out of their way to avoid seeing games advertised to them. It's not like they buy games anyway.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Kaz Hirai became Sony's CEO after he salvaged PS3 for example because he was that good. >was
If he was so good, why did he leave?
[...] >Sonic dabbing on the Famicom
That never happened, schizoid.
[...] >Halo killed the FPS genre
Delusions upon delusions.
[...] >as he posted from his Windows OS
[...] >Nintendo always does their own thing they're like Switzerland
Switzerland isn't neutral anymore.
[...] >advertising BAD
Why???
holy kek
the Xisraelite is unironically defending aggressive ad placement on his fully priced hardware.
there's nothing sadder than consoletards.
YES MASSA SLURP SLURP
3 months ago
Anonymous
Go for a jog, fatty. Use the extra time to get a job while you're at it so you stop sounding poor.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Frick off I go on my console to play games not get blasted with israeli propaganda
3 months ago
Anonymous
>xbox selling well
know do you have a world chart? because even with all of the US support towards microsoft they alone can't keep a console alive (not even at that time)
3 months ago
Anonymous
Funny how a decade later all of that would become industry standard. Seems like they were just ahead of the game.
3 months ago
Anonymous
It's not a good standard, it's a cancer that Microsoft introduced and flaunted.
3 months ago
Anonymous
What standard? Physical games sell on Playstation 4&5 and Switch. I don't need to use the internet for my games. Xbox is the one with all those problems, Walmart literally was given an order to destroy Xbox physical games because they don't sell.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Walmart literally was given an order to destroy Xbox physical games because they don't sell.
Xbox games to be buried in a desert landfill
3 months ago
Anonymous
None of that is industry standard, at least not yet. No current console is dependent on a peripheral, no console requires an internet connection (yet) and no console has completely dropped physical disc drives or imprinted discs with a single user (yet).
>Titanfall could have had a different fate had it been released as a multiplat
Sometimes I feel that in another timeline it managed to outsell CoD and become its own franchise, spanning comics and movies.
It's both. Like the Economy going to shit before Trump left office then becomes Joe's problem for his term. It's a lag effect.
That conference was god awful for their target market and Phil's inept handling of the studios under him (due to MS being too fricking bureaucratic) couldn't fix the stumble.
But the conference was the bullet to the head. The years following the body dropping to the ground.
Because alot of their purchases were struggling devs one way or another so they could get them for cheaper. And then instead of trying to fix said devs and be an actual publisher Phil went hands off and, surprise, the struggling devs continued to struggle.
They could have recovered by now with good games but they canceled all of them and what they did release ranged from mediocre to insulting.
Look at the MCC. It was supposed to be a celebration of their flagship franchise and it was beyond fricked. It took years for it to work and even now a decade later it still has problems with hit detection. It just shows how little they cared. I returned my xbone because of it, I bought it just to play halo 2 and you couldn't even find a match.
It was a bad moment but they fricked up because one reason. NO GOOD GAMES. It always comes down to the simplest thing. Make some good fricking video games. They didn't. As much as I hate to say it and think it sony still is. Shit like god of war and Black person man move enough copies. Though even those are dropping off somewhat but nothing compared to microsoft. The last big thing under microsoft was frickin starfield. What a disaster that was. They have no IPs that bolster their brand name. They don't have a mario still because they've fricked everything else up.
It was a little more than that, Kinect already put Xbox on the back foot with hardcore gamers for about 3 years before this happened. Back in 2011-12 you already couldn't talk about Xbox here on Ganker because of it. The Xbone was truly a point of no return though, it was fricking OVER after this reveal and rollout. The more Microsoft said, the worse it got. It was unreal.
Xbox still had some good games near the end of the 360 with Halo Reach and Gears 3, although I guess Halo 4 was a sign of things to come with Kinect as well. 2012 was the year it started to come apart
Someone posted an image of first party Xbox 360 exclusives by year a few days ago and it really surprised me at how barren it was after the first four years. It was all Kinect shit after a while
The exclusives didn't matter much for the 360 2bh, the Kinect was mostly a sideshow joke too. The 360 had the foothold it did because it had the best version of multiplats in almost all cases and was the default multiplayer with friends platform, at least in the US. Even with the Kinect clown show at top gear all they had to do was was ride the momentum of "all my friends are probably going to get a xbox so I'll get one too to keep playing with them." Microsoft did essentially the only thing that would make peer groups do a real uniformity assessment and switch to Sony en masse.
Exclusives basically stopped mattering for anybody not named Nintendo at that point, when Call of Duty supplanted Halo as the mainstream FPS.
Literally nothing else mattered besides being the COD/sports machine.
Microsoft published something like 8 games in 2023 and they get put under way more media scrutiny compared to the absolutely anemic PS5 and yet you'd never think the only thing Sony put out in that same year was Spider-Man 2 from the way video game press constantly jacks them off.
It's hard to argue if Nintendo's exclusives matter when you have the gamecube, Wii U and 3DS selling less than their predecessors. Where did the audience go? despite putting out the same high quality games, it sold less. Are Nintendo fans not as loyal as they say they are?
In the end we arent even sure that the switch 2 is going to outsell the switch at this point. That's how chaotic each Nintendo generation can be.
Exclusives matter but the issue is that Nintendo's branding can someone lead to them just memoryholing in the general awareness.
Like, I know people who literally do not know what a 3DS or Wii U are. Never seen them, never heard of them.
The reality is that Nintendo sometimes fricks up the Step 1 that Playstation and Xbox usually nail without fail: marketing/messaging.
But that's exactly testament to it.
Space World 2001 and Celda might as well have been Nintendo's Xbone conference and the first few years of its life had basically Melee. Yes, stuff like Pikmin and Luigi's Mansion were well loved and springboarded successful franchises but these were not making moves for the last-to-market platform.
The Wii U launched with fricking NSMBU, the fourth fricking NSMB barely months after NSMB2. Not to mention a name so awful Nintendo literally had to run ads explaining the Wii U was a new console and not
The 3DS had nothing on launch and didn't start selling until a price cut and releases like 3D Land, Mario Kart 7, Kid Icarus Uprising and Fire Emblem Awakening. Between that and Pokemon taking its sweet-ass time, it just managed to avoid the ignominy of being associated with the Gamecube, Wii U or Virtual Boy as high profile Nintendo failures.
The Wii launched with Twilight Princess and Wii Sports. The Switch launched with Breath of the Wild. The rest is history.
It mattered.
Your argument basically says that you need to make sure your launch is perfect because that determines the fate of your console for the rest of the generation instead of exclusives mattering tbh.
And that Phil Spenser interview (I think right after the conference) where says "We already have a product for people who don't want this. It's called Xbox 360 lol". Round of applause for Don "the con" Mattrick everybody, gaming's biggest moron.
kinect and new dashboard was when I remember it started going down. I guess zoomers only know this because it's what is told on youtube essay videos or something.
That disgusting fricking Metro design will always make me angry. Yes Mr Gates, I just LOVE seeing a giant fricking advert whenever I turn my console on.
It was going to be a low spec multimedia device that cost $299. They were planning on AR goggles and shit but the tech wasn't there yet and I guess they saw the casual market moving towards mobile devices so they changed their plans. They were out of their minds charging $499 especially with it being weaker than the ps4.
Their logic was that hardcore gamers were moving to PC anyway, which was true, so they should target casuals but supposedly the Wii U bombing scared them and they panicked.
>The cancer started with Kinect years earlier. >They wanted the Wii audience instead of sticking with actual gamers.
More fricking bullshit from Ganker echo chambering. The Sony PS2 eyetoy and later move was the competition, I for one miss when consoles tried to innovate. The kinnect was probably the best of them as well.
>>The Sony PS2 eyetoy >Nobody bought that moron, they wanted the Wii sales.
The eyetoy had massive sales and was quite innovative, long before the wii it was using foam swords and coloured pom poms
>you will never post in comfy XBOX GO HOME threads on Ganker ever again
I hate consolewar homosexualry but that was an incredible moment where the whole board felt united.
>Mass Effect
Not an exclusive. >NG2
Fair. >Saints Row
It was okay. 2 was better. >Halo 3
Halo killed the FPS genre, no thanks. >DOA 4
Tekken is better. >GoW
Brown n' bloom cover shooter.
>Not an exclusive.
Holy zoomer, Mass Effect was an Xbox only for a year. >Halo killed the FPS genre, no thanks.
Based Nu-Doom kiddie moron listening to his moronic Gen X forumdads
Even games like Crysis 2 were written for the 360 first then ported to PC. You're deluded. It was THE target dev platform in its lifespan and PC games were very often buggy ports from it.
Both Mass Effect and Gears of War were on PC. The Xbox 360 was only strong because of its cheap price and multiplatform library. They never had a strong first party lineup.
It's true that the bulk of the sales of multiplatform games were on the Xbox 360, after all that's back when Microsoft was beating both Nintendo and Sony in terms of software sales and revenue. PC gaming was also more expensive, but around 2010 things turned around and PC gaming got bigger and bigger until the present day where it's beating both PS and Xbox.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Problem is that Microsoft was fricking moronic and didn't try to use their OS advantage to get a piece of that PC gaming pie.
Steam was allowed to fricking run free without anyone besides Origin to fight them.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Problem is that Microsoft was fricking moronic and didn't try to use their OS advantage to get a piece of that PC gaming pie.
Do you know why Halo 2 came to PC in 2007 but Halo 3 only came until 2019?
You had to be there. 2013 for Xbox can't be properly put into words, it was kind of like a slow motion car crash where the cars just wouldn't stop piling up.
i was done with consoles at the time and just playing indie shit or emulators, and even i heard of this.
I was so fricking confused and annoyed that things got this badly, but i guess people who buys all DLCs and gamepasses can't see that.
They deserve the industry they got.
As for me I'm pretty much mostly on switch but maybe I may find a decent PS5 game here and there but the PS5 may as well be my final console
I'll pretty much do the backlog eventually
why is everyone acting like the console wars are over now? We still have Nintendo to compete with Playstation
It's not even a competition, the boys in Kyoto (Nintendo) are absolutely dunking the boys in Tokyo (Sony)
Yes I own both but I only have 3 PS5 games while I have 15 games on the Switch
None of that is industry standard, at least not yet. No current console is dependent on a peripheral, no console requires an internet connection (yet) and no console has completely dropped physical disc drives or imprinted discs with a single user (yet).
It's coming, and when it does, I will check out of new gaming releases outside of PC
>Yes I own both but I only have 3 PS5 games while I have 15 games on the Switch
Whoopie fricking do, I have a 2100 PS2 library and 1200 xbox 360 games. Best of luck there with your switch.
>Name it the Xbox One, thinking people will call it "the One," like with "the 360." >Internet unanimously settles on "xBone" within a minute of unveiling.
Nintendo bounced back from the Wiiu with the Switch. Xbox could do the same by finally releasing a PC handheld optimized version of Windows and going balls deep with a portable of their own.
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It's all layered. Microsoft left their 1st party out to rot from 2010 onwards along with their shift to chasing the casual market. As
It was going to be a low spec multimedia device that cost $299. They were planning on AR goggles and shit but the tech wasn't there yet and I guess they saw the casual market moving towards mobile devices so they changed their plans. They were out of their minds charging $499 especially with it being weaker than the ps4.
mentioned there was a huge scare about mobile gaming killing consoles in the early 2010s so Microsoft was shying away from anything hardcore and letting their studios rot on Kinect games. Their first attempt to build a AAA studio from the ground up with 343 was also trying to emulate how Microsoft ran their Windows division and the result was a permanent clusterfrick of a company with zero institutional knowledge.
The Wii U was also a gigantic trainwreck tech-wise, the difference was that Nintendo's studios were spending that gen getting through the HD hurdle a generation late, so by the time the Switch was coming out these studios were ready to start pumping out quality software you couldn't get elsewhere. There are developers credited on BotW and TotK that have Zelda credits dating back to LttP. Microsoft let all their old studios rot on the vine and can't find their footing, they've been perpetually stumbling for a decade and a half now.
>heir first attempt to build a AAA studio from the ground up with 343 was also trying to emulate how Microsoft ran their Windows division and the result was a permanent clusterfrick of a company with zero institutional knowledge.
You know nothing about how Microsoft ran windows and even less about software and technology though. You're just an end user sitting outside with your face pressed up against the grass wishing you had been part of the industry who knows frick all.
>this crazy 360 revisionism
the RROD aggravated a lot of people. The industry is truly terrible now but that shouldn't elevate the 360
The only Xbox console that should be looked back on more fondly was the original. It's crazy to think we called that a no games console compared to the fricking desert of releases that'd be coming out soon. Plus built in hard drive was pretty good damn smart
OG Xbox was fine, it had games and pushed for internal hard drives instead of memory cards and that ended up being a game changer. That said, the implementation of Xbox Live and its long term ramifications are a little hard to forgive.
Honestly I had gaslit myself in thinking that started with the 360. I guess it helps that back then couch co-op/VS was still alive and online multiplayer was more of an afterthought. Also helped most games had 3 months cards in the case
>Microsoft was ALWAYS a shit console company, weren't they
Aside from teh fact that the 360 slim and elite wwre probably ts greatest console library and cons ole ever made you might have a point. But given you don't even know the history of directX and are basically a non tech vegetable maybe you should just shush., Gaming died over aa decade ago. Everything since has been reddit online multiplayer subscription shit
shut up moron, no one asked the wannabe Gankerargoyle for his input. The Xbox has always been underperforming garbage that introduced the worst trends into games and had nothing worthy of note for non-Ameritards.
have a nice day immediately.
only in hindsight. they continued to frick up and because of that it makes this conference looks worse. if they would have saved things with exclusives or some other goodwill this would be forgotten. needless to say i remeber were i was for xbox 9/11
Personally I think that Xbone reveal was the beginning of the end for gaming
Sony moving to California in 2016 just just another nail in the coffin
The worst has yet to come
Who fricking cares where Sony went. Sony hasn't done anything to change gaming culture. Xbox's new trend is the elimination of physical gaming and cloud streaming on the side.
>Sony hasn't done anything to change gaming culture
Sony has pushed for the prowess of cinematic storytelling in video games since damn near the beginning, but that's neither here nor there at the moment.
>Sony has pushed for the prowess of cinematic storytelling in video games since damn near the beginning, but that's neither here nor there at the moment.
Wrong that was the PC which had 'multimedia' CD support with CDs and soundcards before the PS1
>>Sony has pushed for the prowess of cinematic storytelling in video games since damn near the beginning, but that's neither here nor there at the moment. >Wrong that was the PC which had 'multimedia' CD support with CDs and soundcards before the PS1
Games being cinematic were a thing long before recent trends. The first cutscene of Ocarina of Time is Emphasis of a fairy flying off to find the protagonist in a hurry, as if that's somehow a bad thing? If not for Xbox, we wouldn't have to pay monthly to have features restricted to us that were once free.
But they did bring great change to gaming culture though
Before the PS1, everyone thought that video games were "the nintendo" toy for kids even when Sega was around.
PS1 came around and showed everyone that games could be for adults and the PS2 went and did it on a greater magnitude.
>Their current console has a December fire sale of $350 X and $150 S in America and they still came in third place. The Nintendo Switch at $299 and in its 7th year beat the Series S and X. No fricking shit Xbox exclusives are going to PS5 and Switch, the Xbox console brand is underwater. >I fully expect Xbox Series console production to end this year.
I really don't care about shit in the last decade which has been universally garbage. The story of the last decade is fricking fortnite and its just a twist on unreal tournament 3. Gaming is fricking dead. The switch is the usual nintendo moronic thrash for morons. GPUs have been expensive and now the whole lot is going to the 'cloud' along with everything else being hosting on fricking azure, amazon and google and its sucks. You get what you fricking deserve.
>Switch Bad
I disagree, it's the only good console out there these days.
Meanwhile I only have interest in two games on PS5: KH4 (which will be multiplat) and Stellar Blade
Bad >I disagree, it's the only good console out there these days.
That's because you're a moron who can't into technology and would buy nintendo crap just to fit inn on reddit because your dad got you a DS when he divorced your mother. Handhelds are thrash just by virtue of the shit screen. Always were and always will be, Nintendos hardware has always been as cheap and crap as possible (unless it is trying to sell overpriced cartridges to idiots)
>The PS1 and PS2 weren't anti-consumer like Xbox, no.
You are joking? Go look at what happened to the kid who tried to install linux on it (though anyone who is into linux should be mocked like mac users in 1997). The PS1/PS2 and Xbox 360 and PC were the best of the last 20 years of gaming before its sucked itself straight up its own butthole and imploded in online multiplayer only subscription adware spyware bullshit
>The PS1/PS2
Yes >360
Frick no, have a nice day >PC
Sure, if we're talking about the steam platform.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>>The PS1/PS2 >Yes >>360 >Frick no, have a nice day >>PC >Sure, if we're talking about the steam platform.
Even games like Crysis 2 were written for the 360 first then ported to PC. You're deluded. It was THE target dev platform in its lifespan and PC games were very often buggy ports from it.
>Even games like Crysis 2 were written for the 360 first then ported to PC. You're deluded. It was THE target dev platform in its lifespan and PC games were very often buggy ports from it.
Fact.
God imagine 2009-2012 >you could still buy used 6th gen systems or even new ones >You could pick up a PS3 for MGS4, GOW3, or play the PS2 remasters if getting a PS2 was not possible >You could get a 360 and while paying for online sucked you could enjoy Halo or COD and have a good time
PC speaks for itself
3 months ago
Anonymous
Look you fricking moron your not some prince of tech because you have a fricking PC you built after watching some youtube videos and stuck a led strip on it. You.re a fricking moron if you spend thousands on a PC to play fricking games on, that's self explanatory and if you overclock it and watercool it you should stick on a fricking clown outfit. Let me explain, the dominant gaming OS for the PC for desktops has been windows by microsoft. The people who mad ethe 360. The technology that finally allowed games to function without spending ages fricking around were PnP and directX. That's why worthless non technical consumers spastics like you can 'build' PCs. Microsoft also made the 360, Guess what genius? Asus and Dell and HP make better PCs than you. Always will, they work with Microsoft. Microsoft also made the 360. There's you with your overprices frankenstein jimmy the tard built lump of shit counting FPS while microsoft are laughing and pimping the 360 AND ALL THE WINDOWS GAME DEVELOPERS WRITE THEIR GAMES FOR IT. You get the sloppy seconds and the buggy ports from that
3 months ago
Anonymous
>uess what genius? Asus and Dell and HP make better PCs than you
Is that why all of them cost more for shittier hardware?
3 months ago
Anonymous
>tfw didn't buy a PS2 until 2012 >tfw could still walk into a Gamestop and find shit like Silent Hill and Fatal Frame on the shelves
I caught the very tail end of the good times with that shit.
What I recall most strongly from this is how...aggressively bland everyone on stage was. Not in the way a dev is, where they're just not very comfortable with public speaking - they're absolutely *comfortable* with it - but their personalities are so rehearsed, it's really makes something retch in my soul. Is the business world just like this, all the time?
Calm your breasts Xbox sisters, Microsoft is still making games. But they will exist as SEGA does today. People didn't buy Xbox consoles, that's why this is happening. Phil Spencer was given a time table to turn the console around and failed, now Microsoft is doing what they wanted to do for decade. A third party game publisher and developer.
Xbone was just microsoft showing gamers what everyone else in tech already knew about them, a borderline dystopic megacorp who only cares for total control of the use on all levels.
SEGA Dreamcast put up a better fight in the end before SEGA went third party. What did Xbox's final year put out? Fricking screeching Hellblade 2 woman making cavewoman faces, "narrative driven" experience, digital only, $50? They literally have nothing for Xbox console in its final few months before production ceases and Microsoft becomes a third party.
Sega has a traitor for a CEO who shortly went to work for Microsoft afterwards similar to what happened with Nokia where their final CEO was a Microsoft plant that bankrupted the company and then went back to working with Microsoft
Nah, they've had chances to recover but ultimately failed
The Series S should not have existed in the first place, and they already had plenty of studios under their belt to develop some fricking games instead of buying more studios.
SquareEnix hates this, Sony won't give them free money for exclusives. Sony and Nintendo are different enough they don't need play time exclusives with each other.
Nintendo's been dancing to the beat of their own drum for almost 20 years now, they aren't directly competing with anyone. The N64/Gamecube double whammy showed that they couldn't hack that anymore, so they changed course.
You get that impression only because Hiroshi Yamauchi insisted that Nintendo was a toy company and he personally thought RPGs were for shut-in losers who never went outside their house to play around in the grass and sun.
The duke and the 360 were mediocre but I assume at least some people liked them.
Bone was one of the dumbest things ever, at least they try to put out shit now.
it is strange that we are now a decade past when xbox was like genuine competition in the gaming space. who the frick still buys xbox, homies who don't know better?
>it is strange that we are now a decade past when xbox was like genuine competition in the gaming space. who the frick still buys xbox, homies who don't know better?
Who the frick buys anything made in the last decade
>Nobody gave a frick about Xbox last two gens either, it came in last place. Who owned a 360? Nobody.
360 has the best library of any console ever. Largely because it was a PC dev target. If you don't know that , you know literally nothing. It sold as many as the wii but the wii did that by being a horrible low spec cheap piece of crap marketed to soccer moms as an exercise machine.
>>It sold as many as the wii >Nope, Wii outsold it globally by about 20 million.
>Nobody gave a frick about Xbox last two gens either, it came in last place. Who owned a 360? Nobody.
360 has the best library of any console ever. Largely because it was a PC dev target. If you don't know that , you know literally nothing. It sold as many as the wii but the wii did that by being a horrible low spec cheap piece of crap marketed to soccer moms as an exercise machine.
>It sold as many as the wii but the wii did that by being a horrible low spec cheap piece of crap marketed to soccer moms as an exercise machine.
The Wii cube is noticably bigger than the 360 cube. You can also research the numbers yourself and see that Wii sold 101 million units against the 360's 84 million, which is admittedly a little higher than I remember it being but the point still stands.
3 months ago
Anonymous
oh frick off the fact you are even trying to compare a lump of crap like the fricking wii with the 360 just means you're a bullshitter.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Whether it makes you upset or not is of no concern to me, the numbers show what they show. Your own graph shows it.
for like the first 3 years and than it dried up
lost oddyssy
blue dragon
halo 3
fable 2
gears of war trilogy
viva pinata
dead rising 1+2
are all pretty decent exclusives but than what? they literally just ran out for the rest of the gen and just hashed out more halo+gears games when those trilogies wrapped up
3 months ago
Anonymous
Those were some great years, but yea not getting more exclusives killed the momentum.
It makes me wonder how Microsoft owns so many IPs but decides not to use them unlike Nintendo, who has only relied on its IPs to flip 130m+ Switches.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Well to be fair, the 360 versions of multiplat games were the better versions too
Everyone forgets that the PS3 was a b***h to dev on unless you were a Sony studio or were exclusive to Playstation
November '08 is when everything started to go to shit for Xbox. They got rid of the Blades UI in favor of a slow UI with Mii ripoffs and tons of advertising.
I miss the middle UI, I wish there was a way to bring it back
Bottom UI was fricking cancer, I hated it, shit reminded me of Windows 8
3 months ago
Anonymous
Farcry 2/3/4
Crysis 2/3
Borderlands i/2
Bioshock 1/2 infinitr
Mass effect 1/2/3
Dead space 1/2/3
La noire/gta iv/v
saints row 2/3/4
mafia 2
walking dead season one
assassins creeds
dragons dogma, souls and diablo
left for dead 1/2 and portals 1/2
dead island
thief/ dishonoured
Skyrim/oblMOHs
fallout 3/nv
turok/doom 3/dark void
the 360 library was the cream of console and pc and the pc got the ports in the era, often buggy
>bragging about fricking dudebros
As a former one you want people who care about vidya playing your games, not normalgays, grannies, moms, frats, whatever. They'll stick with you until the end, the others are trend chasers
3 months ago
Anonymous
>people who care about vidya
and those people who "care" about vidya all turned into the very same trannies that b***h about vidya on twitter
3 months ago
Anonymous
>trannies out of nowhere
got something you wanna share pal, i swear Ganker is the only board on this site who has their heads full of a group who barely makes 1.0% of the world population
3 months ago
Anonymous
sure but they still have an outsized presence in gaming. Nta but do you also sorry out when someone says Black person? or is it just trannies that you feel the need to defend?
To me the best use I ever had for my wii was using it as a GBA/SNES emulator, especially the GBA
Because being able to play Metroid Zero Mission on a TV and with a Classic Controller is great
ps5 you get demon souls and square games like a year before everyone else
xbox you get uhhhhh uhhhh old ass 360 games people were tired of 12 years ago like le nu gears and le nu halo
who wins bros
They'd rather spend billions of dollars figuring out how to scam people into buying shit they don't want because it's 2% more profitable at the end of the year than just doing things the easy way.
Nobody gave a frick about Xbox last two gens either, it came in last place. Who owned a 360? Nobody.
360 outsold the PS3 globally for much of the generation, it wasn't until the last 2 years of the gen that PS3 was able to compete and they finished the gen dead even.
What's even more impressive was that the vast majority of 360 sales were in the US and UK alone.
PS3 had to depend on Continental Europe, Japan, and the rest of the world to catch up along with getting any US/UK sales
UK's not surprising since that's always been Sony country. Xbox having no presence in Japan makes that a shoo-in for PS3. Really, it was mostly that the 360 had a solid stranglehold on the US.
What's even more impressive was that the vast majority of 360 sales were in the US and UK alone.
PS3 had to depend on Continental Europe, Japan, and the rest of the world to catch up along with getting any US/UK sales
The US is the single largest video game demographic, or at least it was until China. Even then, the US is a large gaming market than all of Europe.
Which makes it make sense that they ended up about even at the end - 360 had the biggest region on lock, but PS3 picked up everywhere else. Hubris got the best of 360 at the end, clearly MS thought their foothold with the hardcore was unshakeable so they could frick off for 3 years and chase the Wii demographic with Kinect.
>“We’re not in the business of out-consoling Sony or out-consoling Nintendo. There isn’t really a great solution or win for us. I know that will upset a ton of people, but it’s just the truth of the matter. When you’re third place in the console marketplace and the top two players are as strong as they are >"I see it out there. I see commentary that if you just build great games, everything would turn around," he said. "It's just not true that if we go off and build great games, suddenly you're going to see console share shift in some dramatic way. >"This idea that if we just focused more on great games on our console, that somehow we're going to win the console race, I think doesn't relate to the reality of most people." >CEO of Microsoft Gaming, Phil Spencer (2023)
What did he mean by this?
It's too late to build good will for xbox. They should have build that good will in the second half of xbox 360 era when the brand was still at it's peak, sony was just recovering from past mistakes and nintendo was about the make a new one(Wii U).
Instead,they flood the market with Kinect shovelware and sequels for Halo,Forza and Gears. People were coping that they were keeping the best for the new console cycle and then we got TV TV TV SPOTS SPOTS CALLUDUTY meme and always online + more kinect.
Never forgiving microsoft for buying all of these ips and then doing literally nothing with them. i rather they be in limbo or in the nintendo vault because least theres a chance something would happen.
Absolutely baffling how Microsoft literally could not pay 2 win this competition. They literally had unlimited money to make games and market goodwill but they did neither. It's unironically like seeing an adult not know how to scramble an egg or some shit, like it's just THAT FRICKING EASY how do you frick it up fricking kek
They want to be the Netflix of games instead. They could have EASILY invested all that money they spent on paying devs to put their games on GamePass into making god tier games of their own but they didn't. They could have have 10 or 20 Bloodborne calibur console movers but they decided they wanted Lies of P day 1 instead because that's cheaper and easier.
Microsoft is going all in on game pass
Wouldn't be surprised if the next Xbox is just a game pass box with no disc tray and no option to purchase games
people are only going to hop on the xbox for gamepass if its cheap as shit. if they increase the price to justify removing discs nobody is buying a subscription box. literal death of the brand in real time
>Microsoft can just drop the pretense of a console and be a glorified subscription holder on PC if they want to do that.
I doubt they give much of a frick about the pc anymore, its on the way out anyway, AI, office 365, azure ,all that is online, pc is getting obsolete, like it or not
You're an blind man. There isn't going to be another Xbox console, the $299
Series S adorably all digital was dropped to as low as $150. It was outsold by the 7 year old Nintendo Switch at $299 in the USA, formally the X360 stronghold market. Microsoft is porting their games to Switch and PS5. It's fricking over you dunce.
November '08 is when everything started to go to shit for Xbox. They got rid of the Blades UI in favor of a slow UI with Mii ripoffs and tons of advertising.
barely
they're buried two or three pages deep when you specifically go to someone's profile and check their achivements
which also have reduced visibility now
its like they are ashamed of avatars but are legally obligated to put them -somewhere-
Moore knew games, the Dreamcast had a shit ton of games considering how long it was on the market for and a lot of good exclusives too. When EA didn't put their sports games on the Dreamcast, he had studios make the 2K sports games that blew the EA games out of the water and made those exclusive. You can see that mindset with the early 360 where it was just exclusive after exclusive including getting timed exclusivity for things like GTA and CoD DLC. Being a PS3gay was suffering when he was in charge.
Mattrick's conference was so bad that all the Xbox people I met through Halo 2 unanimously jumped ship to PC. These were people who had the Xbox down as their primary platform since 2002, who I'd spent thousands of hours with playing games like MechAssault 2, Project Gotham Racing 2, Crackdown, Gears of War etc. The conference was that damaging to the Xbox brand.
Sony recovered the PS3 in 3 years when the Slim came out.
Nintendo gave up on the Wii U then came back swinging with the Switch, most of Switch games are Wii U ports. 5 years turn around.
Xbox can buy both Sony and Nintendo 20 times and not feel it in their wallets. With that much money they have spent 10 years still in their hole and they still point to Don Mattrick as their curse.
Phil Spencer is allowed to fail and get promoted for 10 years.
I think it's an internal culture sort of thing, like I think MS actually thinks turning Xbox into a glorified subscription box is actually a good idea. We saw what they thought was a good idea back in 2013 so I wouldn't put it past them that they're just too high on their own shit to know they're fricking up.
Sony was originally bidding on PS5 time exclusivity for Starfield, Microsoft buys their parent company, Zenimax. Now Microsoft turn around and ports it to PS5 for free. What did Phillip Spencer mean by this?
I have to go to bed because I have to wagecuck tomorrow but I find it really sad that gaming has been declining so hard in the past 10 years.
Yeah we had some good stuff here and there but I fricking hate how bad it's gotten.
You know things are bad when spending $200 for a used copy of Heartgold is worth more than buying a $70 game and then spending the remaining $130 on DLC
Gaming is in a generally healthy place right now but Xbox has been fighting for its life this generation and been trying to figure out some blue ocean they can spread to. And the sad thing for them is there isn't one. And, worse off, Microsoft's corporate practices around shit like contractor labor has infected any attempt or chance they have for building a proper game studio from scratch
nintendo, sony and pc gaming are all super healthy, niche genres are super healthy. it's just xbox that's been starving
I dunno, that recent Insomniac leak that revealed how much money Sony is putting into their AAAs doesn't indicate a healthy, sustainable future on their end.
In terms of sales, they're healthy.
Their games are being budgeted unsustainably, but the actual sales are strong. In theory, they could start to tone down production value and budget without too much of a dip in sales.
I do think there are some major issues in the games industry but the actual state of the games released is pretty healthy
>Gaming is in a generally healthy place
are you high
I dunno, that recent Insomniac leak that revealed how much money Sony is putting into their AAAs doesn't indicate a healthy, sustainable future on their end.
i always want to mention that the xbox one reveal was in 2013 and microsoft of all corporations trying to sell an always online kinect webcam in the same year as the edward snowden NSA leaks was impossible
>Buy a gorillion studios >do nothing with them but release occasional 4/10 garbage that goes multiplat anyways >I DON'T UNDERSTAND WE TRIED EVERYTHING WE COULD
Phil Spencer needs to be beaten to unconsciousness with a tire iron
This isn’t a next few years thing either, it’s happening immediately. You’re going to see Xbox games come to PlayStation this year. The console is going to die fast.
>No way is SEGA going to make games for NINTENDO! You're not going to see Sonic high-fiving Mario any time soon! >No way will Halo: Master Chief Collection appear on Playstation 5! >No way will Rare Replay appear on Nintendo Swirch!
Microsoft Gaming has two clearly distinct divisions: Hardware team (Xbox) and the software dev&publisher side (Cuphead was published, Bethesda is a dev). Microsoft CEO gave the Xbox hardware team a deadline to turn things around, Phil Spencer is getting overruled for failing and the second team is running Microsoft gaming. They don't care about the hardware side of Xbox, they just know that selling games makes Microsoft money and by God they are the biggest publisher in the world right now but they bleed money from Phil Spencer's hardware team. Nothing about this helps sell Xbox, but Xbox consoles are outsold 3-1 by PS5 and 10-1 by Switch. The Microsoft software/publisher guys want fricking out of console business by this year.
No thanks, I can buy three Series Xs for the price of one new graphics card, then flip those sonsabitches and buy the newest games while you fiddledeedee with drivers and Denuvo.
People hate on Phil Spencer but I dont think I would have been able to keep Xbox alive after how Mattrick destroyed everything. It's like being handed a shit sandwich and told that you need to sell it to people without having the ability to change things. Phil Spencer tried his best but in the end the Xbox brand was fated to die thanks to Mattrick no matter how much money they spent.
>cancelled promising titles and closed studios that did decent work while keeping dregs like 343 >bought out studios and had them produce garbage >GAME PASS GAME PASS GAME PASS >completely abandoning the dudebros from their big titles as well as the indiegays they nurtured due to 360 Arcade >literally discounted the obvious solution that "great games are not enough"
The man literally snatched victory from the jaws of defeat. He should be summarily executed.
Phil Spencer turned a dead console brand into the biggest game publisher on the planet. He did the best he could but it was either sink as a console brand or thrive as a game publisher and we know what they picked now.
>biggest game publisher on the planet
Microsoft has frick you money, that is not an accomplishment when they just buy studios, piggyback off them and then dump their asses after Microsoft fails to manage their slaves properly
The question stands though - did he really try his best? Spencer's answer was to kill exclusives and pursue the position of gaming's Netflix.
Phil's best was kill all 1st party titles for ~10 years while promising great games each year that never came. Then sell out your entire catalog for $1 a month for 5 years. And then give up and die. What a hilarious failure
Spencer was given absurdly huge amounts of resources while failing to deliver anything, the final nail in the coffin for xbox was Spencers incompetence
Microsoft were never players at the table to begin with. Only reason the 360 managed to break into the lower bounds of the big boy table is because RROD was so bad most people were forced to buy two
Reminder that Mattrick absolutely gutted Xbox's studios and destroyed their relationship with third parties in order to poach them for Zynga which he jumped ship to later on.
>Phil got promoted to CEO of Microsoft Gaming when they announced they were going to purchase ABK back in 2022 >Sarah Bond got promoted to Xbox leader after the deal closed in October >earnings report comes out post ABK acquisition where all the shareholders and execs were creaming themselves over how much they made while hardware sales dropped hard
Hindsight is 20/20 but it's pretty clear now that Microsoft/Xbox/Satonya Nutella knew what exactly what they wanted once they saw ABK were up for grabs.
Makes sense. Call of Duty is the #1 best selling game year on year on year and it primarily makes those sales on PS5 which outsells Xbox 3 to 1. They aren't going to cream themselves over those numbers and then turn around and kil 75% of their sales. Xbox is nearly useless to them. Baggage keeping them from making money
Would be true if Playstation wasn't dying as well.
Both MS and Sony have the problem that their big budget AAA releases have become way to expensive to justify exclusivity to one platform alone. It's true that XBOX took a big hit from Don Mattricks shenanigans but the end result would have been the same either way - Nobody actually wants to spend 500 bucks on a box just to be able to play games - People wanna play games on whatever is best suited for them and for that multiplatform is key - And again: You cannot have a budget of over 400 million USD and expect 10 million sales to break even on that by selling it on a platform with 50 million active users.
Microsoft realized that quickly - probably due to their shitty situation - but Sony according to the Insomniac leaks plan future day-1 PC releases as well - And in the long run they won't be able to ignore Nintendo either.
And Nintendo are the only company who managed to not be effected by this cause their budgets remained stable. They just upped the prices and people can complain about 70 USD TOTK and 60 USD Mario RPG Remake all they want - this allowed them to continue making games at the usual schedule while Sony only manage to drop like 1-2 first party games a year.
Sarah Bond will be thrown to the wolves when Microsoft announces their games are coming to PS5 and Switch. She will do this and Phil won't be getting the tomatoes.
Phil Spencer is playing Diablo 4 while the Xbox console brand is deep in its grace. I think Microsoft's higher divisions put a leash on him, they are fine becoming the biggest third party in gaming.
Phil sounds like he is deflecting but he was kinda right when he says he game was lost from the start. Microsoft fricked up by losing with the XBOX One cause - the most important generation to lose - cause that's when the modern digital platforms established themselves and the PS5 and Series X are hardly actual new generations but rather an extension of the previous one. Back in the old days the cards got mixed again once a cycle was over but here you have two 500 dollar bricks with next to no games who mostly just play ONE/PS4 software. XBOX would have done better if the ONE would have done better and as shitty as the PS5 and its library is - the fact that its an extension of the PS4 helps it passively.
>but he was kinda right when he says he game was lost from the start.
That still doesn't absolve him from being moronic. He could've just did nothing beyond his focus on backwards compatibility & saved a ton of money not buying up worthless studios & paying for shitty exclusives like tomb raider, not made endless promises about games that would never release, could've cut 343 loose rather than letting them continuously damage their brand & not spent a ton of money on the series x hyping it up just for it to be identical to the ps5. He could've skipped all that & the xbox brand would've ended up in the same place they are now with a lot less money pissed away & more goodwill among their customer base.
well with the ps3 and wiiu those were just expensive or kinda dumb choices
xbox tried to take tangible ownership of the game you bought away
let's not forget all that shit we know about kinect and prism
He was a true believer of Game as a Service I suppose. He thought people was sheeple and just eat the model up while in reality people is fighting for ownership rights to this date.
You know what else Microsoft fricked up so incredibly hard?
Games for Windows Live. Imagine having the OS 99% OF ALL PC GAMERS use but you didn't have the actual ability to make a proper Windows PC storefront. They could have beaten Steam ages ago but now it'a too fricking late.
It's incredible how many frick ups this moronic company has had.
A shit console can sell as long as it has games. The 360 was a defective piece of trash but it sold because it had games.
Where are the fricking games Phil?
Can someone give me a QRD on why Xbox is dying? All I've seen is a tweet that the CEO is gonna talk about the future of the brand soon. Why are there so many threads acting like it's already dead? Feels inorganic, but maybe I missed something?
t. PS5 / PC owner
>hardware being outsold by the PS5 3:1 >have stopped releasing game pass subscription numbers >planning on phasing out physical games
And more recently: >leaked in January that they're planning on porting big games like Sea of Thieves to PS5 >last week, data miners for Hi Fi Rush showed Switch and PS5 assets >yesterday rumours started that in a few months Xbox will announce they're going to start releasing their games on other consoles
Okay, but how does any of this mean Xbox is dead? Lets not pretend that the golden era of console exclusives isn't long past us. PS3 / 360 had tons of exclusives relative to more modern gens and the PS2 / Xbox before them had even more. My PS5 is practically a paperweight because almost every game I'm interested in also comes to PC. It would be the same case if I had an Xbox One. Is an AA action game, and a 6 year old multiplayer survival game, coming to other consoles, really some sort of deathkneel? I do think it seems like a lot of Xbox's gambles have been bad (starfield sucked ass, and I'm a pretty big Bethgay, at least their older games. Avowed looks eh and I'm an Obsidian gay who loves KOTOR II / FONV and even the Pillars Games. Outer Worlds sucked fat wiener though, and that was the first game they released after M$ acquisition, even though it was in development before that deal went through) The only weighty thing seems to be Xbox being outsold 3:1, that could kill it I suppose.
You're right but Xbox as a console is more or less dead but the brand will live on and thrive from now.
A lot of people on Ganker is still stuck on the old paradigm of console wars.
>PS5 outselling 3:1
I still don't understand why. The PS5 has no fricking games, and it's been some time since it came out... Sure, the PS4 was lacking in its first year but it quickly got things rolling and then came Bloodborne.
Meanwhile, PS5 has jack shit - Stellar Blade has some potential but it's just one game...
I won several PS5s in the arcades and sold all of them since there's fricking nothing worth playing on it. The fact that the system has a timebomb in the form of a soldered-in SSD also doesn't help.
Phil said it himself: "We lost the biggest console generation there is."
The people who bought a PS5 did so because they were already locked in the PS ecosystem. They want the games they bought last generation on their shiny new toy.
How come?
Controllers >Xbone and XSeries controllers work on both platforms' games (also OG and 360 BC games), whereas Sony stupidly limits DS4 to PS4 games only. The stupid haptic triggers aren't an excuse.
Storage >Xbox's is modular (requires tinkering with a PC to format though), PS has a soldered-in timebomb, it can use external standard SSDs unlike the proprietary MS module, but the internal SSD is critical for the system to function
Games >XSX can run discs to play OG+360 BC (limited game selection), Xbone and XSX games, XSS is limited to digital releases - PS can run PS4 discs in disc edition only, forget about any older games
Sub >Goypass has a shit ton of games to play, and depending on the plan you get the Gold benefits too - PS+ is now tiered and they jacked up the price recently. The game selection is not retroactive (if you didnt have PS+ when a game was available to redeem, you won't get the game if you resub later). Oh, but you get some old PS1 and PS2 games here and there
Savedata
Xbox autosyncs your savedata between consoles when you launch a game and you DON'T need a sub to do so. PS needs PS+ to have cloud sync. You can copy PS4 savedata to/from USB, though. But Sony stupidly (again) doesn't allow this for PS5 saves.
Because games no longer matter, it's a sunk cost due to your library being stuck on playstation ensuring that it's an automatic buy for people on the PS4.
Look at steam vs epic game store. EGS is giving away free games constantly and locked up multiple high quality PC exclusives. What did steam users do? they cried a lot about it and decided to destroy EGS everyway they can on social media and waited a year or two just to play it on steam despite EGS being a launcher a click away. If Xbox moneyhatted and spent 100 billion on exclusives, nobody would swap to them either and they would rather just wait years before playing it on the Playstation. That's with Xbox costing hundreds which is a higher ask than a click away for EGS.
At the end of the day, sunk cost is a huge factor in why someone stays loyal and Xbox lost that battle 10 years ago.
Ah, you do have a point there. Digital library does transfer to the new console (and unlike Nintendo's crappy systems, it works directly, and easliy).
Phil did mention that they lost the most important gen, which was the one where people built their digital libraries. I prefer physical all the way, though. I still haven't forgotten about what they did to P.T.
>EGS is giving away free games constantly and locked up multiple high quality PC exclusives.
Their launcher sucks ass, arbitrarily forcing people to use said shitty launcher because the company paid for exclusivity does the opposite of engendering good will among consumers. As for xbox, microsoft hasn't released any game worth a damn in over a decade & worse has pushed anti consumer policies then has continuously made broken promises & let 343 destroy the one popular franchise they have. It's not like phil has ever tested his theory about good games, meanwhile the switch's exclusives sell like hotcakes which goes against what he's saying. Since the second half of the 360s life to now the xbox brand has been associated with being a 3rd party machine. Right now there's no reason to own an xbox outside of backwards compatibility, getting access to current gen games for cheap via the series s or gamepass & none of those things are have mass appeal or provide any compelling reason to choose xbox over playstation outside of niche cases.
>It's not like phil has ever tested his theory about good games
It's easy to prove it. You said the switch's exclusives sell like hotcakes and yet the Wii U with the exact same high quality exclusives failed to move any consoles. Yet when the games got ported to a cooler trendier console, they sold multiple millions despite nothing fundamentally changing about the games since they were just ports.
At the end of the day, exclusives and games do not matter at all anymore and consumers will not buy a new console just to play exclusives like they did in previous console generations. The switch was simply cooler, trendier and had better marketing and thus it sold more and games that flopped on the Wii U went on to become mega sellers.
Yes definitely true that steam offers a better service but you would think that Epic spending billions every year would see some shift in userbase even if it's a small fraction. Instead they barely gained any users after years of losses. Microsoft can spend 100 billion dollars on two console generations and barely see an increase in console sales at this point. It's a sad fact.
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Anonymous
App functionality and features is more important than fricking Alan Woke 2.
>still don't understand why. T
PS5 visual design and Sony name behind it.
PS5 looks premium comparing to xbox. It looks posh. People may say looks doesn't matter but they do.
Half of the people buying consoles don't actually play games.
They either normies caving to social pressure (gaming is normies thing now). "Do you have new Playstation. Ofc I do!"
Or they are mom's buying for their kids and they think: "how this shit would look in the living room in the middle of the attention right it TV" PS5 looks posh, like designer trinket these Mom's buy to decorate living rooms. Sony decision to go with pretencious visual desing was the best decision of the last decade.
It's actually worse than 3:1. The leaks revealed that 75% of Xbox sales are Series S consoles. So the PS5 is outselling the Series X by a massive margin, and Microsoft has been keeping appearances by selling a budget product. Their flagship product has been getting Dreamcasted all along.
Even then, early on during this gen the Xbox Series S/X was selling on par with the PS5, but things have only gotten worse as mismanagement of studios led to not having any relevant games on launch, and then released disappointing games like Halo Infinite, Redfall and Starfield.
Sony has always had better reputation than Microsoft, and PlayStation is still a worthwhile brand with praise-worthy games, at least according to the Dorito Pope awards. Meanwhile Xbox destroyed their own brand ages ago, and it only gets worse with each new debacle and controversy.
they were riding the wave from the success of the 360 and it actually had exclusives the first couple of years. arguably better ones than the ps4 initially but the xbox one sales flatlined pretty quickly so the ps4 outsold it over 2:1. the series x is getting outsold 3:1 now and even the switch outsold it this holiday season. and the series x was $350 with diablo 4 included, the same price as an oled switch.
>360 and it actually had exclusives
not just exclusives but the birthplace of so many IPs
I can't name one successful new ip that xbox has anymore. They outright refuse to take a single risk
It actually got a pandemic boost too because the Series S was readily available and it's still underperforming. Once the PS5 stock issues stopped being a thing, this gen was over.
>still blaming Donny D
Phil had a decade to fix xbox and did jack shit. Playstation and Nintendo were able to recover from the ps3 and win u in half the time. Matrick at least made sure the xbone had games at launch.
PlayStation was around before Xbox was even an idea, and PlayStation will be around long after Xbox is on anyone's mind.
Don't frick with the Japanese when it comes to tech, because you're going to lose.
>Don't frick with the Japanese when it comes to tech
are you real right now
the same people who didn't get ac until the fricking 60s?
the same people who kept making 8 track players into the 90s?
the same japan that cannot into pc ports of (literally any game they try it with)
I miss when xbox games had large functioning communities.
halo gears cod and rainbow six should have been the only games allowed on the system to have online multiplayer, now every dev and their sister thinks they're a super special boy and can have an online scene for their literal who game and it splits up xbox users to such a degree that online games feel dead as frick now with no one talking
xbox party chat was anathema to the social aspect of playing and should never have happened
I remember 360 online before party chat. People having private chats in front of everyone, children being shouted at by their parents, some guy grunting, babies crying.
all that shit was raw and i loved it. You got a dose of humanity every time you started matchmaking in something. Some random could jump into a spur of the moment conversation about gundam or some shit and make genuine friends. You could tell the homosexual playing music his shit sucked before killing him and have a back and forth that lasted the entire match
it wasn't as secluded, curated, protected, and sterilized as it is now. Its like having a dog before and after getting fixed. The light in the little fricker's eyes just disappeared.
The chat in rainbow six, gears of war & fighting games like soul calibur was fun as frick people would just shoot the shit & crack jokes, cod & halo was where all the morons congregated.
Remember. There was a time when Halo had literally 1M people playing at the same time back in the 00s. That shit was UNTHINKABLE back then. Only games like WoW were able to pull that off.
Halo 3's early days were as close to a religion as i think any brand can get. homies were out there chanting the ost's chorus on launch day. Online voice chat were constant dicussions of strats, campaign secrets, scheduling play times, achivement hunting, machinimagays were machinimagayging
perfect social harmony and all it took was one good ass game
Every year we hear the same phrase “this is the year of Xbox” only for it to never deliver, and now finally the rent is due. A console is only as strong as its flagship, Halo is 6 feet under and every Xbox product under it (redfall, starfield, etc.) is a reflection of that blunder. The Xbox brand will live but the console is dead.
As an xbro, i'm worried about the future.
I have a huge library of Gwg games, backwards compatible games, and xbox games. If they stop making consoles, my entire library just gets robbed and raped to death. I never gave a shit about console wars, theres room enough for everyone, but this is fricked.
I've always been physical, so my digital library is small. My only sadness is coming from all my achievements. Some dating back 15 years ago I've unlocked.
Xbox stopped competing basically. In xbox one era they still tried with timed exclusives,marketing deals,dlcs,new stuff granted most of were mediocre and not cinegay shit that normies love but
in xbox series and gamepass and all games pc basically diminished brand. While Sony and Nintendo got only more stronger and confident.
They shouldnt have never release their game day one on PC.
day 1 pc and gay 1 gp were both major mistakes. i think in principle they were solid and great ideas to try to get more customers but the customers don't give a frick. look at epic game store, they buy exclusivity and give away tons of free games and have fortnite but no one on pc really cares. it's costs nothing to download it and get free games instead of needing to buy an xbox and people STILL refuse to do it, if pcgays want a game for free then they pirate. if customers want to spend money on games, they buy playstation. so all that's left is an ecosystem where no one is buying their hardware and the ones that do don't buy software because of gp. their plans backfired like crazy.
It just made Steam even more powerful with no benefit whatsoever to Xbox outside of getting money. Steam's foothold on people is even so strong that even day 1 gamepass deals barely make a dent on their customer buying habits.
yeah, i think steam is legitimately what killed xbox. not only do you have people becoming pcgays instead of buying an xbox because of the day 1 pc releases but starfield made more money on steam than on xbox and gp. the cfo and ceo have to see that and go "yeah, let's do that on the switch and playstation as well".
both microsoft and sony were dumb for boosting valve as much as they did but at least sony staggers their pc releases. if microsoft stops them, it'd be suicide as shown by starfield. the day 1 pc releases are very obviously what led microsoft down the road to going full third party.
Microsoft could have competed as Games for Windows Live was around at the same time as Steam was beginning to take off.
But like all things Microsoft touches, they fricked it up.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I dont think Microsoft could have competed that well tbh. The amount of headaches for dev teams to port on a console and the PC at the time was too much of a hassle.
And PC was basically Blizzard and Valve territory. Valve especially completely dominated during the Source Engine era which pretty much singlehandedly became the backbone for Steam in the 00s and let them weather most of the "PC IS DEAD" diatribe back then. Microsoft had no chance to compete with golden age Valve even with Halo.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I doubt Microsoft would have gained any ground even if you went back in time to tell them to focus on games for windows. Mostly because people didnt trust microsoft at all back then and even if they did gain a significant share of the PC games market, they would be sued to death by the EU for having a games monopoly on Windows.
Someone at Windows probably knows that they would get turbo sued if they tried to monopolize PC software once again. The guys making Edge and Game Pass for PC probably didn't get the memo.
Its not just Steam though. PC parts have become more affordable and building your own PC is simpler than ever. There is also tons of F2P games like League of Legends and Fortnite that have as many users as all Steam players.
>PC parts have become more affordable and building your own PC is simpler than ever.
This is blatantly false
3 months ago
Anonymous
You have to go back to the early 2000s where Microsoft sold the Xbox precisely by making a high-end PC sold at a much cheaper price. Also back then a lot of consoles games were just not on PC.
3 months ago
Anonymous
This is still the case
3 months ago
Anonymous
Compare PS2 and PC libraries of the time.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I meant the cost part. Still cheaper to buy a console today.
3 months ago
Anonymous
It used to be like a PC would cost double or triple than a comparable console. Right now you can buy a PC on par with the PS5 for around the same price.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Without even the gpu which by itself would cost 400€, you still have all the other parts which total at least 400€ more.
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Anonymous
3 months ago
Anonymous
Cpu 250€
Motherboard 250€
Ram 100€
Case 70€
Psu 150€
Gpu 400€
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>keeps posting on yuropean currency
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importing from USA would cost a lot more dummy
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I don't live in the USA but I don't care about Yurop or your meme currency.
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OK? It's still cheaper to buy a console here.
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That GPU is on par with a PS5 and it costs half of what you claimed it costs.
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6600 xt is on average 500€ here and it doesn't include the rest of the components
Starfield probably sold like one or two million copies on Steam at a $100 early access price tag. That probably made more money than any Game Pass subs they gained for putting Starfield on there.
couldn't you pay $30 for the early access on xbox if you already had a gp sub? as opposed the $100 price tag on steam? that's such a major difference in revenue between the 2 platforms.
Day 1 gamepass is also moronic, mainly starfield. They lost out on millions of sales because Xbox players who already have the pass just get it for free. Not to mention zero ps5 sales and the minuscule hunger there was for it on pc. I can’t imagine how pisspoor the revenue is for that game.
I think that would have been ok IF Starfield was good. It would have brought in new gamepass subs. And many of them would have stayed on.
But it was not in fact good and it just let millions of people see for themselves that the game is not fun.
Xbox started to lose when Call of Duty went from Xbox to Playstation (for their esports). Simple as.
Zoomers might not understand but CoD used to be that big, to make or break an entire console.
its not just call of duty but sony basically got all marketing back from FIFA,NBA,Street Fighter,Mortal kombat etc. Anything they lost association with PS3/360 era from their core franchises like FF,Tekken,MGS,GTA plus they added new dudebro shit like Last of us,spider man, nugod of war all were made to please dudebros like "WE ARE PLAYING A MOVIE"
Dudebros might occassionally play other titles which happens to be cinematic movie like games that are very easy to play and have good gfx
Sony played their hand very good by abandoning quirky japanese shit,multiplayer games they were failing and just focusing on a few ultra graphic games with dad stories
One of the saddest things I've ever seen in my life was some poor middle aged woman in a Best Buy paid by Microsoft to demo the Kinect. She's just standing there trying to meet your sales goals on a device she knows is a POS.
I felt so bad for her, I talked a bit about it to her. Not enough to actually buy it.
It's amazing that the death of a brand can be pinpointed to a single event.
You really don't see blatant "Patient Zero" moments like this often
One of the other few ones I can think of that was at this level was PS1's "299" killing Sega consoles immediately
I think the real Xbox killer was that Kinect conference. It's hard to recall now but the Xbone was being promoted as a Kinect 2 integral experience. Somehow it was the Kinect that completely derailed Xbox and set them down the path to total destruction.
>Tries to copy the competition once
It didn’t help but actively saying that members of the armed forces can go frick themselves and stick with the 360 was a complete 180 from the dudebro call of duty frick yeah attitude Microsoft still chases.
Mandatory Kinect and mandatory online connection. The whole console experience was supposed to be some kind of voice/motion controlled abomination, for literally anything but video games. They really came out with their dick swinging in the breeze with this console. "Micro" "soft" indeed.
But my point is that this wasn't a turning point. The twilight years of the 360 were miserable. By the time they did this, they were already on a huge decline.
>The twilight years of the 360 were miserable
Which was also because of Kinect
Did they ever actually make any software for the Kinect 2?
Just Dance?
It’ll be ok
>still chases
They haven't chased that demographic since mattrick, they made halo into a shitty sci fi focused series where you had to read books to even know what the story was, they put a woman lead in gears of war, had a remedy developed exclusive, a skater style insomniac game & a bunch of other wannabe sony bait shit. Only very recently did they decide they wanted the dudebro audience via cod & that can't be made exclusive for 10 years.
The from mattrick to phil xbox has had no distinct identity besides making terrible decisions & propping up shitty studios like 343.
Phil could've easily propped up Xbox as the AA game system of choice in sharp contrast to the Sony blockbuster walking simulators with all the studios he bought out.
But no, he did frick all.
>But no, he did frick all.
True, not trying to absolve phil but I suspect he's just a symptom of microsofts overall commitment to being moronic. I honestly can't think of a single thing the company has done since XP that wasn’t either a frick up or mediocre choice that was simply tolerated due to their position as the default operating system on pcs propping their company up financially. I guess cloud services but that's all I can think of which from the typical consumer perspective means frick all. Even the 360 was a disaster with it's quality control problems but they had bungie who were probably the ones responsible for all the xbox live advancements. Since the 360 was a cheaper console & much easier to develop for than the ps3 saved it for the first half of it’s life but then microsoft's anti midas touch finally caught up with the brand. For ever frick up mattrick & phil had done there was a group of execs above them cosigning every one of their decisions, somehow phil convinced the new ceo to not kill the xbox brand with his disastrous track record & gave him a blank check to piss even more money away on their dead brand.
I suspect they would go out of business if not for windows, office, their cloud servers & whatever other subscription services they sell to businesses.
No, it was totally the X-box reveal, nothing to do with their waggle tech.
The timeline was:
1. WHY ON EARTH WOULD I WANT TO LIVE THERE/online DRM shit in a console
2. X-box One reveal
3. Sony "you can give your old games to friends, we aren't morons lmao" video at E3 to remind that MS was going to pull that bullshit after backlash.
They could not recover consumer trust for at least another 5 years/next X-box generation becasue they absolutely destroyed their reputation in the (now 40-50, 20-30, and 10-19 markets) for three generations.
Sony also won back a lot of trust/prestige by refocusing on gamers when they realized they were losing to xbox for a while. I still member being exhausted with E3 confs being so braindead normie blahblah bullshit then sony had a couple of years where they just showed cool footage and announcements with almost no talking, they announced shenmue 3, ff7R, last guardian all in a row, etc shame those turned out to be duds and snoy just dropped japan studio to focus on naughtydogshit clones now.
>Sony also won back a lot of trust/prestige by refocusing on gamers
ps4 was the sony console where they started to charge for online play, the consumer friendly image they had was a complete fabrication, they still israeliteed consumers where they can get away with it
gamers are of course moronic enough to believe them hook, line, and sinker
Still, it was preferable to the Xbox One which says it all really.
I will never forgive Sony for shutting down Japan Studio.
I will kill a million Commiefornians for this.
>nothing to do with their waggle tech.
It made the console $100 more expensive and PS4 had a slightly higher resolution on that Call of Duty game where the resolution's impact on the console war was the only memorable thing about the game.
It was quickly dropped but it was too late, Xbox was done.
>It's hard to recall now but the Xbone was being promoted as a Kinect 2 integral experience.
Shit, I completely forgot about that. The shitstorm about Kinect being always on, a spy box and stuff like that.
The Xbone was preemptively banned from being brought into military bases because of it. My roommates insisted on keeping theirs in the living room for all of 4 hours before I started saying "xbox bing anal prolapse" over and over. It was a remarkably stupid piece of shit at launch
>before I started saying "xbox bing anal prolapse" over and over
I'll take things that I hope actually happened for $500, Alex.
Oh yeah, Xbox was a big deal in the military since "muh americaaaa". But the Snowden shit and the fact that the console was announced with country-specific DRM killed any hope for personnel abroad. Microsoft really didn't fricking understand the audience.
>The shitstorm about Kinect being always on, a spy box and stuff like that.
Ah shill lie marketing from back in the day. Bing bing. Meanwhile the playstation controller mic is always on by default.................
The Kinect had a big part in the destruction of the brand, but MS could've just dropped the forced kinect and take it out of the box (which they did) in order to fight the PS4's price.
But there's one liiiiiiiiiiiittle thing that happened days earlier, which amped the Kinect's bad juju tenfold: The Snowden leaks. This fricking destroyed any trust in the device.
Snowden? Really? Amazing.
What’s funny about the paranoia around the kinect being used by the nsa for spying is virtually everyone already has a phone & tons of wifi connected devices that the nsa can access whenever they want.
The same people who pissed and shitted themselves over an always on kinect are the same people who have Google Nests and Alexas in every room of their house listening to every word they say. Lmao
Doubt that
According to their own internal leaks the iPhones were easy to hack, Androids not so much.
>hack
They only need to do that when they're targeting someone who's covering their tracks, everyone else has all their internet, cellular & sms data vacuumed up en mass via direct connection to backbone of the internet, paying service providers, and virtually every single company on the internet for that matter, for bulk data collection of all their customers & threatening ridiculous fines against anyone who resists this arrangement.
Kinect was Mattrick seeing the Wii's popularity and trying to copy that homework in the most expensive and wasteful way possible to appeal to casuals and w*men, then had the temerity to make the successor unit mandatory on the launch XB1.
The Kinect technology was somewhat cool at the time, but it had the same problem as the Wii in that the games were largely cringy and casual.
man i love car and canceled game
this banner is so funny. A multiplat Tomb Raider game
>Muh Halo/Gears/Forza
and a canceled game. Damn Xbox is embarrassing
Yeah, with PC drivers you can do pretty cool shit with Kinect... Funnily enough, it's worth using for experiments and alternate input methods, not so much for actual games.
a car lol, is that the guy from the stalker 2 trailer?
the last one? fable heroes. got cancelled.
ah i see
>PS1's "299" killing Sega consoles immediately
A deadly blow, to be sure, but not exactly "patient zero" when Sega were shooting themselves in the foot daily in that era with no input required from their competitors.
Sega was already shooting themselves in the dick with garbage like the Sega CD and 32X but I do agree that it is one of the most badass moments in game development history
Whoever decided that's what their speech would be deserved a fat check from the 100+ million PSX sales
you could also add the release of the ps3, though they were lucky that the 360 had the red ring, and also all the brand loyalty and awarness they had amassed on the previous two gens
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lmao I forgot how they literally didn't talk about games for fricking ages
How is Series S/X having no games and all the acquisitions producing either nothing or multi-million dollar flops Mattrick's fault? The guy was a tard but he hasn't been in charge of Xbox for years.
It's more like the Xbone event was what started the spiral leading to the current XSX situation
That spiral started when they launched the original kinect and stopped making decent games in the latter 360 era.
I think that if MS hadn't completely fallen face first into the pile of shit that was the Kinect, they probably would've still had a preferential relationship with third parties. Like the only reason why the Playstation is now in a privileged position is because Xbox would not stop shooting itself in the foot over and over and over again. At this point in time, neither console does anything special and both use basically the same commodity hardware. I don't think MS would've gone on this disastrous spending spree if they had stayed the course.
It's more that Mattrick's moronation in both decision making and that statement pushed a sizable amount of their target demographic away into Sony's hands and then their focus on Kinect continued to poison the well. To add insult to injury the Xbone ran games significantly worse than the base PS4 did until the Xbone X came out, but at that point it was too little, too late.
Phil has made some awful decisions in terms of handling exclusives and how hands-off he is in terms of policing some of the devs they're funneling money to, but he's at least tried to right the sinking ship for years. He's pushed for consumer-friendly options, he funded BC heavily, he's tried diversifying their portfolio of developers and projects even if not every game succeeds, he's funded exclusives (But again, see the issue with being hands off), he's pushed for cross-play, he's teamed up with Nintendo, he's
People have already made up their minds with Xbox long ago. The only people who really stay on it anymore are people who want Game Pass, people who have years of games or achievements on it and can't justify switching, or have their friend group on it. Most devs aim for PS5 first so the SeX isn't always getting the best versions of games, physical games are basically going the way of the dodo now for Xbox only, if you bought a SeS you get a significantly worse experience than both a PS5 and SeX on modern games, and you miss a lot of the hyped up exclusives that are in the culture zeitgeist that are on Playstation.
Say what you will, but Final Fantasy, The Last of Us, Spider-man 2, etc all pull people. Wolverine may look "more or the same" but it's still gonna pull in millions of people. Starfield was their chance at pulling people back into their ecosystem and it worked: for all of two or so weeks until everyone soured on it. They've failed their one major chance to pull people back in. Now they're holding out hope with Indiana Jones and Blade by the sounds of it.
>Final Fantasy, The Last of Us, Spider-man 2, etc all pull people
you are mentally ill. cod and FIFA pulls people not exclusive garbage
I never said they didn't. I said those titles are what get people talking and interested in the system. Go look at Spider-man 1's reception as a single example.
The Xbox problem is solely the fact that they don't make any good games. That's it. It has nothing to do with their games coming to PC or whatever, it's not like everything they release is a massive hit on PC while sucking on Xbox, most of the games are just shit and it's no more complicated than that. Sony doesn't make good games either, but they've got their movie shit audience locked down even though most people play Fortnite or whatever the hell.
Pathetic cope from xbots. Any console brand can come back from any disaster.
You can't seriously be comparing the two events as if they weren't two very different situations
PS1 emulation on the PSP was dope as frick though
>Any console brand can come back from any disaster.
That's the thing
They didn't
They had almost a decade to rebound and they simply didn't
>people laughed at being able to play perfect basically native PS1 playback anywhere on the go back in 2006
Were boomers fricking moronic?
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PONIES CRYIN'
>Any console brand can come back from any disaster.
Poor example to be posting.
Imagine having this one-hit wonder and then having the brand crash in slow motion for the entire generation, then Jimbo the Frickhead comes along and press FF>> on the whole thing.
PSP outsold the Xbox and the Xbox One and is currently outselling the Xbox Series consoles. How is it a bad example?
the PSP is succeeded by the Vita which despite attempts from multiple developers putting out great games for it and fan support, it died a poor death signaling that no matter how much money you pump into a beloved handheld/console, people arent gonna care enough to buy it.
Vita was killed from the inside. The leadership at the time signaled their distain for it and it had horrific support from Sony and the execs. Most of it's games were just dumbed down ports of PS3 games or remasters of PS2 games
says that after psp got beaten by the DS and then the vita was a complete flop
Mobile technology has its own rules
PSP sold 80+ million units, anon. It’s the third highest selling dedicated handheld ever after the DS and GB/GBA (if we count them as one handheld). MS would kill for this kind of a “disaster”.
>you're disasters are still critically acclaimed by almost everyone and massive successful
Why did anyone ever think xbox was better than Sony? The ps3 wasn't THAT bad compared to the 360
>Five Hundred Ninety Nine US dollars
Nah the PS3 was pretty damn bad.
$599 ($937.10) adjusted for inflation
So not all that dissimilar from a PS5 4 years after launch lmao
ps3 was absolute shit and almost killed snoy
To put that in perspective you could buy a 360 and a wii for the price of one ps3
PS3 was no games for 2/3rds of its lifespan, had worse ports of everything, and cross-platform multiplayer didn't exist.
The PS3 was super expensive at launch and it literally didn't had any notable games for a few years. It was worse for most multiplatform games because of the weird CPU architecture, especially early on. And PSN had less online features and a less active community than Xbox Live. It was until Demon's Souls that they started to turn things around.
i miss that playstation font and psn logo, messing around on playstation home, watching snake smoke while the mgs4 chapter installed
late ps3/4/5 have identical branding, they never tried anything new like ps3 again
>PS
>PS2
>PS3
>PS4
>PS5
now for handhelds
>PSP
>PS... VITA
why did they do this? is ironically they names it after life in latin
PS3 was expensive and had no games for many years. Xbox 360 was affordable and had far better lineup at start. In the long run PS3 was better, but 360 had a better start.
Pic unrelated huh ? Good bait.
>no one has commented RIIIIIIIDGE RAAAAAACER yet
Frick I'm old and I'll be here forever
That would be how they marketed the XBOne, focusing on everything except gaming.
The Xbox brand was never really alive to start. Well it was but not in the way people remember.
People look back on Sega as some pillar of console gaming when really they had one successful ad campaign. People forget that campaign was fought against the ailing Famicom. They also forget that it never happened in Japan either. They had a couple years of fun with Sonic dabbing on the Famicom, but the Super Famicom, and their committed sepuku in the second half of the Mega Drive's life with the CD and 32X, destroyed that anomaly. Pulling one over on monopoly era Nintendo can be commended, but they were never more than an anomaly and one successful NA marketing campaign, at least when you ignore arcades.
Xbox was never a pillar of consoles either. They just slid by on the mistakes of PS3 and then immediately hanged themselves with a shitty add-on, just like Sega, while Sony responded to their failures with the PS3 slim and a bunch of shitty movie games that normalgays loved.
Come one anon, spastic nintendie dribble like that might be fine on reddit but the Xbox 360 was the premium console of the era. The PS2/PS1 was the last great sony console
Phil Spencer killed Xbox console as a brand. Xbox console brand is done, out the door. The suits at Microsoft just want to sell games and rent subs, everybody involved in Microsoft Games hardware is getting axed.
>, everybody involved in Microsoft Games hardware is getting axed.
why?
>the elimination of physical gaming and cloud streaming on the side.
bingo winrar
Xbox is games development and games console. Their current console has a December fire sale of $350 X and $150 S in America and they still came in third place. The Nintendo Switch at $299 and in its 7th year beat the Series S and X. No fricking shit Xbox exclusives are going to PS5 and Switch, the Xbox console brand is underwater.
I fully expect Xbox Series console production to end this year.
>Their current console has a December fire sale of $350 X and $150 S in America and they still came in third place. The Nintendo Switch at $299 and in its 7th year beat the Series S and X. No fricking shit Xbox exclusives are going to PS5 and Switch, the Xbox console brand is underwater.
>I fully expect Xbox Series console production to end this year.
I really don't care about shit in the last decade which has been universally garbage. The story of the last decade is fricking fortnite and its just a twist on unreal tournament 3. Gaming is fricking dead. The switch is the usual nintendo moronic thrash for morons. GPUs have been expensive and now the whole lot is going to the 'cloud' along with everything else being hosting on fricking azure, Amazon and google and its sucks. You get what you fricking deserve.
This. Why the frick is no one blaming Spencer?
>buys studios for fricking BILLIONS not even just billions the entire worth of entire nations
>does nothing with them but make shit like Redfall and Starflop (yes i know starfield was in development before microsoft's buyout but it doesnt look good on microsoft to release this shit back to back with bethesda's name on it)
>cancels games
>actively says that buying an xbox is a waste of money
>gives away their entire catalogue for like a dollar
he wore Old Video Game Shirt and said "games", he must be the good guy
Because he's mostly been doing nothing. An absolutely aggressive amount of nothing to the point of negligence, but still mostly nothing by the end of the day. Mattrick was actively antagonizing consumers, and the state of the games Xbox was putting out at the time means that few people would ask any questions when Spencer started canceling more of them.
>Because he's mostly been doing nothing.
In practice he does nothing but he constantly acts like he's gonna do something, he's like a politician that's on a never ending campaign for election making endless promises that never come to fruition over & over again into perpetuity.
Forgot the part where he said no to including BG3 on Game Pass.
IT's astonishing how you can see the dominoes falling in such a drastic way because Mattrick was a typical exec frickhead who hated anything successful that he wasn't present for.
Let's be clear, the reason Kinect got pushed SO HARD in the latter years of the 360 and the beginning of the Xbone is because it was the project Mattrick started (to chase that Wii money).
Mattrick wanted Xbox to succeed because of his input and his fingers in the pie and decided to tank everything else about the division to push his stupid camera toy
To be fair the first Kinect sold millions of units, so it was easy to make the business case for a Kinect 2. Not for building the whole console around it, but it was pitched as mandatory to satiate developers who didn't want to invest in making Kinect games because of the smaller install base.
Don tried to get them to make "real" games for the Kinect but a controller that fails to read your input 5% of the time is by definition a defective controller.
The other confusing thing about the conference was the emphasis on it being a cable box at a time when cord-cutting was taking off. I suspect it's because cable companies saw consoles as a threat because young people were using them to stream, and pressured Microsoft to incorporate cable functionality.
After bailing from Microsoft, Don Mattrick because the CEO of Zynga, where he then tanked their stock price and got replaced by the previous CEO after just 18 months.
https://venturebeat.com/games/why-ceo-don-mattrick-is-done-at-zynga/
When he came in the one game they had on the top 10 app store charts was Zynga Poker, and somehow Don managed to frick that up. They made a "new and improved" version, but boomers and soccer moms hated it and it fell off the app charts overnight. So they panicked and brought back "Classic" Zynga poker
>New and improved poker
What's there to change? It's fricking poker.
Reminds me of that stupid new Solitaire in Windows, which had fricking subscriptions.
>Kinect
Did not even remember this at all. Prime example of when a big corporation churns out their own soulless version of someone elses product.
The event itself was a big hit, but it’s what followed that was an actual problem. Event only showed that they don’t care about games, which could have been salvaged. But then they backed it up with actions later.
There hasn’t been a single prominent game or a franchise born or brought back after 360 era.
Microsoft literally been dancing on a rotting corpse of Halo and Gears of war for over a decade.
That on top of One being notably inferior in all of the multi platform games made it an absolute pointless purchase.
Death of a brand how? They're even cheaper than a ps5.
Does it matter if no-one is buying them?
Are they not? Why not? It's cheaper.
PS5 is outselling them by 3:1.
I guess brand loyalty is a thing. I think I'm gonna go for a ps5 for gta 6 but I'm not sure yet.
>stick with the 360
Okay
Yep, have been since 2009.
Tv
Sports
Cawadooty
>shirt and coat are too big and the sleeves are too long
>unbuttoned top button and no tie
>wrinkly coat
>messy, unkempt hair
>fricked up teeth
Never trust a multi-millionaire "corporate executive" who can't even dress himself. When you have that kind of money, there's no excuse to look like a complete slob
>When you have that kind of money, there's no excuse to look like a complete slob
when you have that kind of money, you don't give a frick what you look like. People still treat you like you're god's gift to mankind
>when you have that kind of money, you don't give a frick what you look like
When you take role of a public speaker and public face of the company you have too.
If you don't know how there are people who do it for pay.
>When you take role of a public speaker and public face of the company you have too.
nuh uh
what a gay post
teach me how to be Ganker
Now do Steve Jobs.
That homie is a nerd you think he gives a shit? Wearing a suit amd tie because "muh manners" is bullshit
SPORTS SPORTS TELEVISION SPORTS
the kinect started the downward spiral and that year's e3 and reveal of the xbone sealed the deal
i have never wanted a piece of technology so far away from my house as i did the xbone
Perhaps Sony's last great victory
It was like Microsoft literally put the gun in Sony's hand and said "go nuts"
I simply cannot believe this still a decade later. The original Xbox and 360 built up goodwill and it was destroyed in an instant
The original 360 did not build up any goodwill lmao
Ya it absolutely did. It had a head start on the PS3 and a ton of great games early on, many of them Xbox exclusives.
It was much better priced than the PS3 too.
The original 360 was fricking horrible dude
Nah, it objectively wasn't. The original PS3 was a shitshow in comparison.
Who gives a frick what you think, you clearly weren't there.
The original 360 didn't even support HDMI or DVI you brainlet. It was garbage
>The original 360 didn't even support HDMI or DVI you brainlet. It was garbage
Neither did the PS2 (its main competition at launch) the 360 Elite and Slim did though, in fact the 360 line got HDMI quite quickly. Why do people like you who know very little about consoles or technology post on the subject?
kek this
Back in the day people still had CRTVs. HDMI would not become the standard until the 2010s
HDTVS weren't even a fricking thing back then you moron. They were expensive as shit and only a handful of people had them
Because HDMI was rare as shit in 2005, and Component cables were good enough for the few HD TVs out there.
Also absolute cope.
It fell off later in its lifespan but it utterly dominated over PS3 for most of the generation, both in exclusives and multi-plats.
It literally came in last place kek, you microcucks need to take off your nostalgia glasses
>PS2
>Wii
>PS3
>DS
>Xbox 360
And that was even with 54% of all 360s getting RROD which means many had to buy another console
>sony's b***h accusing other people of being brand prostitutes
>me who never owned an xbox (but I owned the ps3)
why are the ps2 and ds even on the list? also even accounting for the marginal sales of the ps3 over the x360 they still had a better reputation during most of the generation (even including the awareness that sony got with the psX/ps2) + not to mention that sony lose a shit ton of money thanks to the ps3 while microsoft had to give new xboxs to msot people affected by the RROD
Okay, now I know you're definitely a zoomer. Most people back then were still playing on CRTs or EDTVs. Component out could do 720p and if you had a flatscreen then the jump from 480p of the last gen to 720p was fricking mind blowing. You weren't there.
i remember doing my best to read the text for dead rising on my crt, lol
I can attest to this. I only had a crt at home and I brought my 360 with component to school where they had an early 720p TV and it looked incredible
It did. Despite the RROD, it was the console of choice from about 2006 - 2009. Then Kinect happened and the decline began.
t. zoomer
homie everyone loved the 360 from 2005 to 2010 even though the consoles were fricking blowing up. The exclusives and online were just that good. Then everyone switched over to PS3 once Uncharted and TLOU blew up and MS became pre-occupied with the fricking Kinect. The PS3 victory over the 360 was incredibly small and that gen went on so fricking long that most people ended up with both consoles by the end of it.
>it took one artist to defeat Xbox
Losing the original X-box team and J. Allard killed the X-box. Mattrick was just the kill shot, and then Spencer raping the corpse.
Damn shame, as J. Allard's X-box was good.
xbots are truly the most delusional people on the planet. Giving Microsoft money...disgusting creatures.
This was the moment Xbox's wall finally came down. Everything before it was increasingly splintered cracks appearing but this moment was the sheer impact that brought the motherfricker down.
that angry carlos interview with him was hilarious, "are you a xbox developer!?" turns off DRM the next day.
lmao good times,
we will never have a trainreck like that again.... so sad
Can you imagine what it must have been like to be the Sony guys on the night Microsoft did their reveal? They saw how bad the reaction was and knew they had done the complete opposite. Must have felt great. You can also tell they stayed up that night reworking the presentation to emphasize these things, because they came out with some really simple PowerPoint slides that were obviously made quickly to emphasize no always online and the ability to share games.
They must have stayed up that night and brainstormed "how can we rework this presentation that we've had ready for months to twist the knife in Microsoft's gut?" I'd love to see an interview with someone high up at Sony about what was going on behind the scenes that night.
>They saw how bad the reaction was and knew they had done the complete opposite.
They actually didn't, there were rumors at the time sony has similar features in the works but microsoft just beat them to the reveal. They were just able to flip script fast.
Basically this. People forget that Sony hated used sales and were already dabbling in digital only and other ways to restrict resales such as registration codes. The difference is Microsoft had the tech side figured out better.
that easy to believe considering how many of the sales (espcially during the second half of gen7) where towards the third world and everything related to piracy and second hand sales, and also the fact that sony's executive are equaly if not bigger buttholes than the ones in microsoft
They didn’t, Sony was planning the exact same thing as Microsoft but saw an opportunity to throw them under the bus and it worked perfectly.
Is it really the case? Early firmwares should have some clues about that and nothing came out of that.
And don't come with the 'muh battery cell problem' - that was a bug that would screw the game launch when trying to calculate trophy times (and fail because the "hidden" internal clock is set to epoch and the calculation underflows).
>You can also tell they stayed up that night reworking the presentation to emphasize these things, because they came out with some really simple PowerPoint slides that were obviously made quickly
Yeah. They probably had a lot of 'computing power', 'muh online', 'share button' and other feature-filled material to share, but instead of talking about those bullet points they just went 'you can do these basic things just like in the previous gens!'
That sharing game video was clearly a rush job too, the area is some sort of backstage and they just fricking went with it. So(y)ny is now Californian trash, but back then they went full speed ahead and fricking obliterated the Xbone. Fun times.
Now gays defend always online and digital only. It was good time when people were less moronic.
I think if a console didn't work at all unless it was connected to the internet or you had to buy a 3rd party peripheral for it to work, you would still see some shitstirring
It took 10 years of this morons' leadership to frick it all up. Xbox was selling fine before Mattrick left.
???
The PS4 was outselling it 3 to 1.
Xbox died more than a decade ago.
Compare 2013, just 2013. Xbox was selling on par with PS4. After Mattrick left Phil canned almost all the games besides Halo and just do nothing but saying "games are coming!" and they never did. He had 10 years to prop it up but he didn't. He doesn't get enough shit for what he did or didn't just because he wars Starcraft or Hexen t-shirt lmao. He wasn't a good leader and should've been replaced with a businessman.
November 2013, everyone bought PS4 out the gate because no one stood up as real competition. Sony didn't even try THAT hard, PS4 was a very mediocre generational leap. Still had zero real competition.
Xbox came out with fricking Titanfall and FH3 dude, they were far better than inFamous SS and Killzone SF.
But no one was actually buying Xbone because of the avalanche of bad press it was getting with its mandatory Kinect integration, 24 hour internet connectivity checks, and open war on secondhand sales. It walked all of that back, but the damage was done in the public's eyes. Not to mention PS4 was $100 cheaper at launch with none of the bad press. It was a slaughter from the start.
Dude, stop. Here's the actual numbers. Compare Xbone to PS4. It did fine in it's first year. It was after the first year it went to shit.
360 numbers are super inflated. Everyone I know bought 2-3 consoles due to the rrod killing their console
Life to date numbers for old gen seems off too but still, you can see Xbone was head to head with PS4. After Phil came in to the power he did nothing to improve it.
Why would they buy extra consoles when MS would give you a new one when you sent in an RRoD'd unit?
Well you see zoomer. It was actually a huge pain in the ass to get it set up with MS support and 50% of the time they would never send you a box to ship the console back anyways.
That reads to me like one decent holiday season and a fair trouncing otherwise. Those numbers show a pretty consistent lag for most of the year.
Consistent lag would've lead to 100M Xbones and 120M PS4s. Not 40M Xbones and 120M PS4s.
Within the context of that one year documented, obviously. No shit the spread got wider as time went on.
That's the point dumbo, after first 2 years they stopped making any games for it. Phil Spencer is the one who should be blamed for last 10 years of Xbox, not Don Mattrick after he left the MS for 10 years already.
But the numbers in that chart show that it wasn't working in (what I assume to be) 2014 either. It's also clearly not worldwide because
>Wii LTD: 41.6mil
so if I have to wager a guess, these are American sales, which is like the one region that Xbox does fine in, and EVEN THEN PS4 still held a healthy lead.
It's not just about winning le sales. If Xbone had even 80M sales then MS wouldn't have the need to turn into third party since they could be self sufficient as a department instead. Sony or Nintendo would've already turned into third party if they were in MS' place with those sales though.
Spencer's decision to even entertain going third party is partly his own doing, but it also is partly him adopting the reins of a sinking ship. Mattrick left a tire fire and the next guy had to put it out. As a brand, Xbox already had greatly diminished appeal in 2013 compared to 2008.
Same shit happened to Sony and everyone remembers PS3 as a good console at least in the end. Because Sony pumped out games after games during PS3, especially in late PS3 era. Many of the PS4 staples are direct or spiritual continuations of Uncharted trilogy, inFamous duology and God of War.
Yeah, and early PS3 is considered a shitshow. Look at the chart that was previously posted and see how badly the 360 beat the PS3 in whatever nondescript region that is (again, probably America because that sure as shit isn't Europe or Japan). Sony looked at Wii, made the Move, had people take it or leave it, and moved on with their lives. Microsoft made the Kinect and it basically became the 360's late game identity. Very different avenues and positions leading into the next generation. Had 2007-2009 Microsoft presented a next gen console it probably would've went over a lot better, but Kinect already made them something of a laughing stock.
>Yeah, and early PS3 is considered a shitshow
That's my point anon. Phil Spencer had 10 years to fix that shit, he didn't. He actively cancelled games and closed studios.
And my point is that Phil Spencer walked into a fire with no plan. Things were already burning when he took the helm.
Sony went back from bankruptcy. Phil had no excuse, he should've stepped down years ago if he wasn't up to the task. He might be le cool gamer uncle but he's not a good businessman. Kaz Hirai became Sony's CEO after he salvaged PS3 for example because he was that good.
All fair assessments. I'm just saying that very real problems with Xbox predate Phil. That he wasn't up to the task of course correcting doesn't make things like Kinect and Xbone's abysmal public messaging his fault, he inherited the fruits of those mistakes with his rise to leadership. The fault absolutely lies with Mattrick on those points. I don't know who at MS has the chops to try but it's almost a moot point now.
That doesn’t excuse Phil literally doing nothing for two generations as leader of Xbox. At some point you have to stop blaming Don mattrick for everything and you have to blame Phil Spencer for the situation Xbox finds themselves in. Also under Don we got the last few interesting games like the new killer instinct while Phil greenlit that turd battle toads reboot
It doesn't. The crossroads they find themselves at now is mostly Spencer's doing. People hold shit against Mattrick because the frickups began with him and his are more explosively memorable. Spencer is mostly responsible for, as you said, doing nothing. The guy's almost impossible to notice these days outside of his depressing little talk a year or so back.
>Kaz Hirai became Sony's CEO after he salvaged PS3 for example because he was that good.
>was
If he was so good, why did he leave?
>Sonic dabbing on the Famicom
That never happened, schizoid.
>Halo killed the FPS genre
Delusions upon delusions.
>as he posted from his Windows OS
>Nintendo always does their own thing they're like Switzerland
Switzerland isn't neutral anymore.
>advertising BAD
Why???
>he needs advertisements in his console's dashboard
Why?
Tell me what's so bad about advertising to your users.
It's bloat you fricking Black person
And? What's the problem in getting the word out for your games?
but *huff* *huff* israeli *huff* *huff*
Go for a walk, fatty.
>defends israelites
You're not fooling anyone moshe
Small ads are fine. Full screen ads promoting Starfield as soon as you turn on your console.
>Full screen ads
That never happens more than once.
Oh, that's okay then.
you dont have to defend advertisements anonymous, its fine to not want them
>its fine to not want them
It's fine if Ponies want to go out of their way to avoid seeing games advertised to them. It's not like they buy games anyway.
holy kek
the Xisraelite is unironically defending aggressive ad placement on his fully priced hardware.
there's nothing sadder than consoletards.
YES MASSA SLURP SLURP
Go for a jog, fatty. Use the extra time to get a job while you're at it so you stop sounding poor.
Frick off I go on my console to play games not get blasted with israeli propaganda
>xbox selling well
know do you have a world chart? because even with all of the US support towards microsoft they alone can't keep a console alive (not even at that time)
Funny how a decade later all of that would become industry standard. Seems like they were just ahead of the game.
It's not a good standard, it's a cancer that Microsoft introduced and flaunted.
What standard? Physical games sell on Playstation 4&5 and Switch. I don't need to use the internet for my games. Xbox is the one with all those problems, Walmart literally was given an order to destroy Xbox physical games because they don't sell.
>Walmart literally was given an order to destroy Xbox physical games because they don't sell.
Xbox games to be buried in a desert landfill
None of that is industry standard, at least not yet. No current console is dependent on a peripheral, no console requires an internet connection (yet) and no console has completely dropped physical disc drives or imprinted discs with a single user (yet).
>a racing game that cater towards normies who only buy or two games per console
>a game who was forgotten by it's own devs twice
>>a game who was forgotten by it's own devs twice
but enough about Killzone
>Titanfall could have had a different fate had it been released as a multiplat
Sometimes I feel that in another timeline it managed to outsell CoD and become its own franchise, spanning comics and movies.
Holy shit are you legitimately moronic? 2013 was barely over a month for both consoles.
It's both. Like the Economy going to shit before Trump left office then becomes Joe's problem for his term. It's a lag effect.
That conference was god awful for their target market and Phil's inept handling of the studios under him (due to MS being too fricking bureaucratic) couldn't fix the stumble.
But the conference was the bullet to the head. The years following the body dropping to the ground.
Delusional
>Joetards seriously believe this
You're downright asleep homie
>buy a dozen devs out
>none of them can make you a system seller
HOW?
Magic.
awful fricking management probably
>buy a dozen devs out
>just let their popular IPs rot in your portfolio
The same way it always happens.
Because alot of their purchases were struggling devs one way or another so they could get them for cheaper. And then instead of trying to fix said devs and be an actual publisher Phil went hands off and, surprise, the struggling devs continued to struggle.
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They could have recovered by now with good games but they canceled all of them and what they did release ranged from mediocre to insulting.
Look at the MCC. It was supposed to be a celebration of their flagship franchise and it was beyond fricked. It took years for it to work and even now a decade later it still has problems with hit detection. It just shows how little they cared. I returned my xbone because of it, I bought it just to play halo 2 and you couldn't even find a match.
It was a bad moment but they fricked up because one reason. NO GOOD GAMES. It always comes down to the simplest thing. Make some good fricking video games. They didn't. As much as I hate to say it and think it sony still is. Shit like god of war and Black person man move enough copies. Though even those are dropping off somewhat but nothing compared to microsoft. The last big thing under microsoft was frickin starfield. What a disaster that was. They have no IPs that bolster their brand name. They don't have a mario still because they've fricked everything else up.
It was a little more than that, Kinect already put Xbox on the back foot with hardcore gamers for about 3 years before this happened. Back in 2011-12 you already couldn't talk about Xbox here on Ganker because of it. The Xbone was truly a point of no return though, it was fricking OVER after this reveal and rollout. The more Microsoft said, the worse it got. It was unreal.
Xbox still had some good games near the end of the 360 with Halo Reach and Gears 3, although I guess Halo 4 was a sign of things to come with Kinect as well. 2012 was the year it started to come apart
Someone posted an image of first party Xbox 360 exclusives by year a few days ago and it really surprised me at how barren it was after the first four years. It was all Kinect shit after a while
The exclusives didn't matter much for the 360 2bh, the Kinect was mostly a sideshow joke too. The 360 had the foothold it did because it had the best version of multiplats in almost all cases and was the default multiplayer with friends platform, at least in the US. Even with the Kinect clown show at top gear all they had to do was was ride the momentum of "all my friends are probably going to get a xbox so I'll get one too to keep playing with them." Microsoft did essentially the only thing that would make peer groups do a real uniformity assessment and switch to Sony en masse.
Exclusives basically stopped mattering for anybody not named Nintendo at that point, when Call of Duty supplanted Halo as the mainstream FPS.
Literally nothing else mattered besides being the COD/sports machine.
Microsoft published something like 8 games in 2023 and they get put under way more media scrutiny compared to the absolutely anemic PS5 and yet you'd never think the only thing Sony put out in that same year was Spider-Man 2 from the way video game press constantly jacks them off.
It's hard to argue if Nintendo's exclusives matter when you have the gamecube, Wii U and 3DS selling less than their predecessors. Where did the audience go? despite putting out the same high quality games, it sold less. Are Nintendo fans not as loyal as they say they are?
In the end we arent even sure that the switch 2 is going to outsell the switch at this point. That's how chaotic each Nintendo generation can be.
Exclusives matter but the issue is that Nintendo's branding can someone lead to them just memoryholing in the general awareness.
Like, I know people who literally do not know what a 3DS or Wii U are. Never seen them, never heard of them.
The reality is that Nintendo sometimes fricks up the Step 1 that Playstation and Xbox usually nail without fail: marketing/messaging.
But that's exactly testament to it.
Space World 2001 and Celda might as well have been Nintendo's Xbone conference and the first few years of its life had basically Melee. Yes, stuff like Pikmin and Luigi's Mansion were well loved and springboarded successful franchises but these were not making moves for the last-to-market platform.
The Wii U launched with fricking NSMBU, the fourth fricking NSMB barely months after NSMB2. Not to mention a name so awful Nintendo literally had to run ads explaining the Wii U was a new console and not
The 3DS had nothing on launch and didn't start selling until a price cut and releases like 3D Land, Mario Kart 7, Kid Icarus Uprising and Fire Emblem Awakening. Between that and Pokemon taking its sweet-ass time, it just managed to avoid the ignominy of being associated with the Gamecube, Wii U or Virtual Boy as high profile Nintendo failures.
The Wii launched with Twilight Princess and Wii Sports. The Switch launched with Breath of the Wild. The rest is history.
It mattered.
Your argument basically says that you need to make sure your launch is perfect because that determines the fate of your console for the rest of the generation instead of exclusives mattering tbh.
>Hi-Fi Rush
>Mighty Doom
>Minecraft Legends
>Redfall
>Quake II Remastered
>Starfield
>Forza Motorsport
>Killer Instinct: Anniversary Edition
I was only able to get to eight by including two remasters. Most of these games underperformed outside of Starfield, which was also a disappointment.
>all trash
No wonder the console is dead
599.99 DLLS
And that Phil Spenser interview (I think right after the conference) where says "We already have a product for people who don't want this. It's called Xbox 360 lol". Round of applause for Don "the con" Mattrick everybody, gaming's biggest moron.
that was don mattrick who said that to geoff keighly but yes that moron had no idea what he just said
Got the names mixed up, my bad. But lmao you can see Geoff is legitimately pissed off
kinect and new dashboard was when I remember it started going down. I guess zoomers only know this because it's what is told on youtube essay videos or something.
That disgusting fricking Metro design will always make me angry. Yes Mr Gates, I just LOVE seeing a giant fricking advert whenever I turn my console on.
It was going to be a low spec multimedia device that cost $299. They were planning on AR goggles and shit but the tech wasn't there yet and I guess they saw the casual market moving towards mobile devices so they changed their plans. They were out of their minds charging $499 especially with it being weaker than the ps4.
Their logic was that hardcore gamers were moving to PC anyway, which was true, so they should target casuals but supposedly the Wii U bombing scared them and they panicked.
>b-b-but muh ecosystem!!!
I can't believe two Gamecubes taped together managed to mindbreak fricking Microsoft into imploding their gaming division.
The cancer started with Kinect years earlier.
They wanted the Wii audience instead of sticking with actual gamers.
>The cancer started with Kinect years earlier.
>They wanted the Wii audience instead of sticking with actual gamers.
More fricking bullshit from Ganker echo chambering. The Sony PS2 eyetoy and later move was the competition, I for one miss when consoles tried to innovate. The kinnect was probably the best of them as well.
>The Sony PS2 eyetoy
Nobody bought that moron, they wanted the Wii sales.
>>The Sony PS2 eyetoy
>Nobody bought that moron, they wanted the Wii sales.
The eyetoy had massive sales and was quite innovative, long before the wii it was using foam swords and coloured pom poms
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_games_compatible_with_EyeToy
Guess what ? Karaoke also sold because life was not perm online and people had frens and families
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SingStar#:~:text=Over%2070%20SingStar%20SKUs%20have,10%20titles%20in%20North%20America.
He was right though, the Xbox360 is perfect, with that an old pc and a ps1 and ps2 and a crt you have the best of gaming.
console frickup was one thing
but why were the games so bad?
E3 2013 was like watching someone commit suicide only to have somebody else run up and help them by blowing their brains out for them.
>you will never post in comfy XBOX GO HOME threads on Ganker ever again
I hate consolewar homosexualry but that was an incredible moment where the whole board felt united.
Xbox 360 was the last great console though anons. We'll never see a library like it or the PS1/2 again
Can't think of more than 1-2 360 games that were worthwhile outside of Lost Odyssey and Fable 2.
Lack of Japan support made it a nothing console.
That's ok that you have shit taste. Mass Effect, Dead Rising, Ninja Gaiden 2, Saints Row, Halo 3, DOA 4 and GoW were pretty worthwhile games I'd say.
>Mass Effect
Not an exclusive.
>NG2
Fair.
>Saints Row
It was okay. 2 was better.
>Halo 3
Halo killed the FPS genre, no thanks.
>DOA 4
Tekken is better.
>GoW
Brown n' bloom cover shooter.
>Not an exclusive.
Holy zoomer, Mass Effect was an Xbox only for a year.
>Halo killed the FPS genre, no thanks.
Based Nu-Doom kiddie moron listening to his moronic Gen X forumdads
Even games like Crysis 2 were written for the 360 first then ported to PC. You're deluded. It was THE target dev platform in its lifespan and PC games were very often buggy ports from it.
Both Mass Effect and Gears of War were on PC. The Xbox 360 was only strong because of its cheap price and multiplatform library. They never had a strong first party lineup.
NTA
PC back then was only actual PC gamers and no one played blatant console ports of cinematic, third person action games on PC
It's true that the bulk of the sales of multiplatform games were on the Xbox 360, after all that's back when Microsoft was beating both Nintendo and Sony in terms of software sales and revenue. PC gaming was also more expensive, but around 2010 things turned around and PC gaming got bigger and bigger until the present day where it's beating both PS and Xbox.
Problem is that Microsoft was fricking moronic and didn't try to use their OS advantage to get a piece of that PC gaming pie.
Steam was allowed to fricking run free without anyone besides Origin to fight them.
>Problem is that Microsoft was fricking moronic and didn't try to use their OS advantage to get a piece of that PC gaming pie.
Do you know why Halo 2 came to PC in 2007 but Halo 3 only came until 2019?
360 was kino.
>look it up
>nothingburger
gays
>Xbox One showcase
>nothingburger
>he had to look it up
Fricking newhomosexual.
You had to be there. 2013 for Xbox can't be properly put into words, it was kind of like a slow motion car crash where the cars just wouldn't stop piling up.
>Not old enough to remember the E3 2013 Xbox One fiasco
shit was like 9/11 for Xbox
i was done with consoles at the time and just playing indie shit or emulators, and even i heard of this.
I was so fricking confused and annoyed that things got this badly, but i guess people who buys all DLCs and gamepasses can't see that.
They deserve the industry they got.
As for me I'm pretty much mostly on switch but maybe I may find a decent PS5 game here and there but the PS5 may as well be my final console
I'll pretty much do the backlog eventually
It's not even a competition, the boys in Kyoto (Nintendo) are absolutely dunking the boys in Tokyo (Sony)
Yes I own both but I only have 3 PS5 games while I have 15 games on the Switch
It's coming, and when it does, I will check out of new gaming releases outside of PC
>Yes I own both but I only have 3 PS5 games while I have 15 games on the Switch
Whoopie fricking do, I have a 2100 PS2 library and 1200 xbox 360 games. Best of luck there with your switch.
kys zoomtard
>Name it the Xbox One, thinking people will call it "the One," like with "the 360."
>Internet unanimously settles on "xBone" within a minute of unveiling.
>it's called Xbox One because you look at it, turn 1 degree and walk slightly askew
Nintendo bounced back from the Wiiu with the Switch. Xbox could do the same by finally releasing a PC handheld optimized version of Windows and going balls deep with a portable of their own.
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>“xbox play game”
>you don’t play the game the xbox does
>conference so shit it makes people forget the real cause of Xbox's downfall
>That didn't play during the credits of the Solo movie
What a wasted opportunity
it's actually a fun game
It's all layered. Microsoft left their 1st party out to rot from 2010 onwards along with their shift to chasing the casual market. As
mentioned there was a huge scare about mobile gaming killing consoles in the early 2010s so Microsoft was shying away from anything hardcore and letting their studios rot on Kinect games. Their first attempt to build a AAA studio from the ground up with 343 was also trying to emulate how Microsoft ran their Windows division and the result was a permanent clusterfrick of a company with zero institutional knowledge.
The Wii U was also a gigantic trainwreck tech-wise, the difference was that Nintendo's studios were spending that gen getting through the HD hurdle a generation late, so by the time the Switch was coming out these studios were ready to start pumping out quality software you couldn't get elsewhere. There are developers credited on BotW and TotK that have Zelda credits dating back to LttP. Microsoft let all their old studios rot on the vine and can't find their footing, they've been perpetually stumbling for a decade and a half now.
>heir first attempt to build a AAA studio from the ground up with 343 was also trying to emulate how Microsoft ran their Windows division and the result was a permanent clusterfrick of a company with zero institutional knowledge.
You know nothing about how Microsoft ran windows and even less about software and technology though. You're just an end user sitting outside with your face pressed up against the grass wishing you had been part of the industry who knows frick all.
easy phil
Killing all old Microsoft Studios was also a big cause that I still just don't get.
I forgot how atrocious the Kinect era actually was.
Im kind of offended that led to the casual resurgance and not total death
Good night Xbox
thread theme
>this crazy 360 revisionism
the RROD aggravated a lot of people. The industry is truly terrible now but that shouldn't elevate the 360
The only Xbox console that should be looked back on more fondly was the original. It's crazy to think we called that a no games console compared to the fricking desert of releases that'd be coming out soon. Plus built in hard drive was pretty good damn smart
OG Xbox was fine, it had games and pushed for internal hard drives instead of memory cards and that ended up being a game changer. That said, the implementation of Xbox Live and its long term ramifications are a little hard to forgive.
Honestly I had gaslit myself in thinking that started with the 360. I guess it helps that back then couch co-op/VS was still alive and online multiplayer was more of an afterthought. Also helped most games had 3 months cards in the case
>Xbox HUEG
>introduced paid online to gaming
>360
>RROD
>Brownan Blooman TPS
>Xbone
>Needs an internet connection at all times
>Constant Kinect spying on you
>XboneX, SeX and SeS
>literally nothing of note
Microsoft was ALWAYS a shit console company, weren't they
>Microsoft was ALWAYS a shit console company, weren't they
Aside from teh fact that the 360 slim and elite wwre probably ts greatest console library and cons ole ever made you might have a point. But given you don't even know the history of directX and are basically a non tech vegetable maybe you should just shush., Gaming died over aa decade ago. Everything since has been reddit online multiplayer subscription shit
shut up moron, no one asked the wannabe Gankerargoyle for his input. The Xbox has always been underperforming garbage that introduced the worst trends into games and had nothing worthy of note for non-Ameritards.
have a nice day immediately.
>don't even know the history of DirectX
There's always that one Eltingville homosexual.
only in hindsight. they continued to frick up and because of that it makes this conference looks worse. if they would have saved things with exclusives or some other goodwill this would be forgotten. needless to say i remeber were i was for xbox 9/11
Personally I think that Xbone reveal was the beginning of the end for gaming
Sony moving to California in 2016 just just another nail in the coffin
The worst has yet to come
Who fricking cares where Sony went. Sony hasn't done anything to change gaming culture. Xbox's new trend is the elimination of physical gaming and cloud streaming on the side.
>Sony hasn't done anything to change gaming culture
Sony has pushed for the prowess of cinematic storytelling in video games since damn near the beginning, but that's neither here nor there at the moment.
>Sony has pushed for the prowess of cinematic storytelling in video games since damn near the beginning, but that's neither here nor there at the moment.
Wrong that was the PC which had 'multimedia' CD support with CDs and soundcards before the PS1
>>Sony has pushed for the prowess of cinematic storytelling in video games since damn near the beginning, but that's neither here nor there at the moment.
>Wrong that was the PC which had 'multimedia' CD support with CDs and soundcards before the PS1
Games being cinematic were a thing long before recent trends. The first cutscene of Ocarina of Time is Emphasis of a fairy flying off to find the protagonist in a hurry, as if that's somehow a bad thing? If not for Xbox, we wouldn't have to pay monthly to have features restricted to us that were once free.
>Sony hasn't done anything to change gaming culture.
So the PS1 and PS2 were never a thing, gotcha
The PS1 and PS2 weren't anti-consumer like Xbox, no.
But they did bring great change to gaming culture though
Before the PS1, everyone thought that video games were "the nintendo" toy for kids even when Sega was around.
PS1 came around and showed everyone that games could be for adults and the PS2 went and did it on a greater magnitude.
>Switch Bad
I disagree, it's the only good console out there these days.
Meanwhile I only have interest in two games on PS5: KH4 (which will be multiplat) and Stellar Blade
Look moron, my argument was that Xbox changed gaming culture for the worse. I guess you suck at this sort of thing.
Bad
>I disagree, it's the only good console out there these days.
That's because you're a moron who can't into technology and would buy nintendo crap just to fit inn on reddit because your dad got you a DS when he divorced your mother. Handhelds are thrash just by virtue of the shit screen. Always were and always will be, Nintendos hardware has always been as cheap and crap as possible (unless it is trying to sell overpriced cartridges to idiots)
Show us on the doll where Nintendo touched you.
Nintendo Derangement Syndrome is real
>The PS1 and PS2 weren't anti-consumer like Xbox, no.
You are joking? Go look at what happened to the kid who tried to install linux on it (though anyone who is into linux should be mocked like mac users in 1997). The PS1/PS2 and Xbox 360 and PC were the best of the last 20 years of gaming before its sucked itself straight up its own butthole and imploded in online multiplayer only subscription adware spyware bullshit
>The PS1/PS2
Yes
>360
Frick no, have a nice day
>PC
Sure, if we're talking about the steam platform.
>>The PS1/PS2
>Yes
>>360
>Frick no, have a nice day
>>PC
>Sure, if we're talking about the steam platform.
>Even games like Crysis 2 were written for the 360 first then ported to PC. You're deluded. It was THE target dev platform in its lifespan and PC games were very often buggy ports from it.
Fact.
God imagine 2009-2012
>you could still buy used 6th gen systems or even new ones
>You could pick up a PS3 for MGS4, GOW3, or play the PS2 remasters if getting a PS2 was not possible
>You could get a 360 and while paying for online sucked you could enjoy Halo or COD and have a good time
PC speaks for itself
Look you fricking moron your not some prince of tech because you have a fricking PC you built after watching some youtube videos and stuck a led strip on it. You.re a fricking moron if you spend thousands on a PC to play fricking games on, that's self explanatory and if you overclock it and watercool it you should stick on a fricking clown outfit. Let me explain, the dominant gaming OS for the PC for desktops has been windows by microsoft. The people who mad ethe 360. The technology that finally allowed games to function without spending ages fricking around were PnP and directX. That's why worthless non technical consumers spastics like you can 'build' PCs. Microsoft also made the 360, Guess what genius? Asus and Dell and HP make better PCs than you. Always will, they work with Microsoft. Microsoft also made the 360. There's you with your overprices frankenstein jimmy the tard built lump of shit counting FPS while microsoft are laughing and pimping the 360 AND ALL THE WINDOWS GAME DEVELOPERS WRITE THEIR GAMES FOR IT. You get the sloppy seconds and the buggy ports from that
>uess what genius? Asus and Dell and HP make better PCs than you
Is that why all of them cost more for shittier hardware?
>tfw didn't buy a PS2 until 2012
>tfw could still walk into a Gamestop and find shit like Silent Hill and Fatal Frame on the shelves
I caught the very tail end of the good times with that shit.
at least Mattrick-Era Xbox had some games worth playing? What have we gotten from Spencer besides cancellations, studio closures and pajeetcore shit
What I recall most strongly from this is how...aggressively bland everyone on stage was. Not in the way a dev is, where they're just not very comfortable with public speaking - they're absolutely *comfortable* with it - but their personalities are so rehearsed, it's really makes something retch in my soul. Is the business world just like this, all the time?
Calm your breasts Xbox sisters, Microsoft is still making games. But they will exist as SEGA does today. People didn't buy Xbox consoles, that's why this is happening. Phil Spencer was given a time table to turn the console around and failed, now Microsoft is doing what they wanted to do for decade. A third party game publisher and developer.
Honestly, I think Microsoft would do just fine as a third party developer. They're just profoundly incompetent at handling a console ecosystem.
Don Mattrick was right to call out poorgays
Cope
Xbone was just microsoft showing gamers what everyone else in tech already knew about them, a borderline dystopic megacorp who only cares for total control of the use on all levels.
SEGA Dreamcast put up a better fight in the end before SEGA went third party. What did Xbox's final year put out? Fricking screeching Hellblade 2 woman making cavewoman faces, "narrative driven" experience, digital only, $50? They literally have nothing for Xbox console in its final few months before production ceases and Microsoft becomes a third party.
That Blade game has no announced btw.
Sega has a traitor for a CEO who shortly went to work for Microsoft afterwards similar to what happened with Nokia where their final CEO was a Microsoft plant that bankrupted the company and then went back to working with Microsoft
Nah, they've had chances to recover but ultimately failed
The Series S should not have existed in the first place, and they already had plenty of studios under their belt to develop some fricking games instead of buying more studios.
why is everyone acting like the console wars are over now? We still have Nintendo to compete with Playstation
Nintendo always does their own thing they're like Switzerland you cant really compare the PS5 and Switch they're for two entirely different niches
SquareEnix hates this, Sony won't give them free money for exclusives. Sony and Nintendo are different enough they don't need play time exclusives with each other.
Nintendo's been dancing to the beat of their own drum for almost 20 years now, they aren't directly competing with anyone. The N64/Gamecube double whammy showed that they couldn't hack that anymore, so they changed course.
You get that impression only because Hiroshi Yamauchi insisted that Nintendo was a toy company and he personally thought RPGs were for shut-in losers who never went outside their house to play around in the grass and sun.
The duke and the 360 were mediocre but I assume at least some people liked them.
Bone was one of the dumbest things ever, at least they try to put out shit now.
it is strange that we are now a decade past when xbox was like genuine competition in the gaming space. who the frick still buys xbox, homies who don't know better?
>it is strange that we are now a decade past when xbox was like genuine competition in the gaming space. who the frick still buys xbox, homies who don't know better?
Who the frick buys anything made in the last decade
Nobody gave a frick about Xbox last two gens either, it came in last place. Who owned a 360? Nobody.
>Nobody gave a frick about Xbox last two gens either, it came in last place. Who owned a 360? Nobody.
360 has the best library of any console ever. Largely because it was a PC dev target. If you don't know that , you know literally nothing. It sold as many as the wii but the wii did that by being a horrible low spec cheap piece of crap marketed to soccer moms as an exercise machine.
>It sold as many as the wii
Nope, Wii outsold it globally by about 20 million.
>>It sold as many as the wii
>Nope, Wii outsold it globally by about 20 million.
>It sold as many as the wii but the wii did that by being a horrible low spec cheap piece of crap marketed to soccer moms as an exercise machine.
>PS2 was more than the 360/PS3 combined
What a wonderful system it was
The Wii cube is noticably bigger than the 360 cube. You can also research the numbers yourself and see that Wii sold 101 million units against the 360's 84 million, which is admittedly a little higher than I remember it being but the point still stands.
oh frick off the fact you are even trying to compare a lump of crap like the fricking wii with the 360 just means you're a bullshitter.
Whether it makes you upset or not is of no concern to me, the numbers show what they show. Your own graph shows it.
yeah, soccermoms. The 360 was the dudebro console, had the best ports and the best games and exclusives
for like the first 3 years and than it dried up
lost oddyssy
blue dragon
halo 3
fable 2
gears of war trilogy
viva pinata
dead rising 1+2
are all pretty decent exclusives but than what? they literally just ran out for the rest of the gen and just hashed out more halo+gears games when those trilogies wrapped up
Those were some great years, but yea not getting more exclusives killed the momentum.
It makes me wonder how Microsoft owns so many IPs but decides not to use them unlike Nintendo, who has only relied on its IPs to flip 130m+ Switches.
Well to be fair, the 360 versions of multiplat games were the better versions too
Everyone forgets that the PS3 was a b***h to dev on unless you were a Sony studio or were exclusive to Playstation
I miss the middle UI, I wish there was a way to bring it back
Bottom UI was fricking cancer, I hated it, shit reminded me of Windows 8
Farcry 2/3/4
Crysis 2/3
Borderlands i/2
Bioshock 1/2 infinitr
Mass effect 1/2/3
Dead space 1/2/3
La noire/gta iv/v
saints row 2/3/4
mafia 2
walking dead season one
assassins creeds
dragons dogma, souls and diablo
left for dead 1/2 and portals 1/2
dead island
thief/ dishonoured
Skyrim/oblMOHs
fallout 3/nv
turok/doom 3/dark void
the 360 library was the cream of console and pc and the pc got the ports in the era, often buggy
>bragging about fricking dudebros
As a former one you want people who care about vidya playing your games, not normalgays, grannies, moms, frats, whatever. They'll stick with you until the end, the others are trend chasers
>people who care about vidya
and those people who "care" about vidya all turned into the very same trannies that b***h about vidya on twitter
>trannies out of nowhere
got something you wanna share pal, i swear Ganker is the only board on this site who has their heads full of a group who barely makes 1.0% of the world population
sure but they still have an outsized presence in gaming. Nta but do you also sorry out when someone says Black person? or is it just trannies that you feel the need to defend?
>The 360 was the dudebro console
That's not a badge of honor.
To me the best use I ever had for my wii was using it as a GBA/SNES emulator, especially the GBA
Because being able to play Metroid Zero Mission on a TV and with a Classic Controller is great
Nobody buys xbox thats the problem the dudebros are now on PS5 and every one plays FiFA on PS5 as well and no ones playing fricking halo lmao
noooooo delete this halo is the best game ever!!!!
>no ones playing fricking halo lmao
Because Halo is fricking dead and anyone who still gives a shit plays MCC on PC
ps5 you get demon souls and square games like a year before everyone else
xbox you get uhhhhh uhhhh old ass 360 games people were tired of 12 years ago like le nu gears and le nu halo
who wins bros
>could've just continued making good games and having good ports to stay competitive
>NOOOOOOO WE CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE ???????
They'd rather spend billions of dollars figuring out how to scam people into buying shit they don't want because it's 2% more profitable at the end of the year than just doing things the easy way.
360 outsold the PS3 globally for much of the generation, it wasn't until the last 2 years of the gen that PS3 was able to compete and they finished the gen dead even.
What's even more impressive was that the vast majority of 360 sales were in the US and UK alone.
PS3 had to depend on Continental Europe, Japan, and the rest of the world to catch up along with getting any US/UK sales
UK's not surprising since that's always been Sony country. Xbox having no presence in Japan makes that a shoo-in for PS3. Really, it was mostly that the 360 had a solid stranglehold on the US.
The US is the single largest video game demographic, or at least it was until China. Even then, the US is a large gaming market than all of Europe.
Which makes it make sense that they ended up about even at the end - 360 had the biggest region on lock, but PS3 picked up everywhere else. Hubris got the best of 360 at the end, clearly MS thought their foothold with the hardcore was unshakeable so they could frick off for 3 years and chase the Wii demographic with Kinect.
>“We’re not in the business of out-consoling Sony or out-consoling Nintendo. There isn’t really a great solution or win for us. I know that will upset a ton of people, but it’s just the truth of the matter. When you’re third place in the console marketplace and the top two players are as strong as they are
>"I see it out there. I see commentary that if you just build great games, everything would turn around," he said. "It's just not true that if we go off and build great games, suddenly you're going to see console share shift in some dramatic way.
>"This idea that if we just focused more on great games on our console, that somehow we're going to win the console race, I think doesn't relate to the reality of most people."
>CEO of Microsoft Gaming, Phil Spencer (2023)
What did he mean by this?
It's too late to build good will for xbox. They should have build that good will in the second half of xbox 360 era when the brand was still at it's peak, sony was just recovering from past mistakes and nintendo was about the make a new one(Wii U).
Instead,they flood the market with Kinect shovelware and sequels for Halo,Forza and Gears. People were coping that they were keeping the best for the new console cycle and then we got TV TV TV SPOTS SPOTS CALLUDUTY meme and always online + more kinect.
The consumer has made their choice of console for this generation
Never forgiving microsoft for buying all of these ips and then doing literally nothing with them. i rather they be in limbo or in the nintendo vault because least theres a chance something would happen.
the xbox brand died with the kinect
Absolutely baffling how Microsoft literally could not pay 2 win this competition. They literally had unlimited money to make games and market goodwill but they did neither. It's unironically like seeing an adult not know how to scramble an egg or some shit, like it's just THAT FRICKING EASY how do you frick it up fricking kek
They want to be the Netflix of games instead. They could have EASILY invested all that money they spent on paying devs to put their games on GamePass into making god tier games of their own but they didn't. They could have have 10 or 20 Bloodborne calibur console movers but they decided they wanted Lies of P day 1 instead because that's cheaper and easier.
Microsoft is going all in on game pass
Wouldn't be surprised if the next Xbox is just a game pass box with no disc tray and no option to purchase games
people are only going to hop on the xbox for gamepass if its cheap as shit. if they increase the price to justify removing discs nobody is buying a subscription box. literal death of the brand in real time
Funny thing; the Series S doesn't have a disc tray.
Microsoft can just drop the pretense of a console and be a glorified subscription holder on PC if they want to do that.
>Microsoft can just drop the pretense of a console and be a glorified subscription holder on PC if they want to do that.
I doubt they give much of a frick about the pc anymore, its on the way out anyway, AI, office 365, azure ,all that is online, pc is getting obsolete, like it or not
That's what they've been advertising Xbox as for ages now.
A dedicated box for gamepass.
You're an blind man. There isn't going to be another Xbox console, the $299
Series S adorably all digital was dropped to as low as $150. It was outsold by the 7 year old Nintendo Switch at $299 in the USA, formally the X360 stronghold market. Microsoft is porting their games to Switch and PS5. It's fricking over you dunce.
They aren't bringing game pass to Sony and Nintendo platforms either, it would be absolutely moronic to do so.
It died when Kinect was greenlit
November '08 is when everything started to go to shit for Xbox. They got rid of the Blades UI in favor of a slow UI with Mii ripoffs and tons of advertising.
does Microsoft even use those Mii knock offs anymore
barely
they're buried two or three pages deep when you specifically go to someone's profile and check their achivements
which also have reduced visibility now
its like they are ashamed of avatars but are legally obligated to put them -somewhere-
2007 was Peter Moore's last year there. Xbox died when he left.
I think we've hit the nail on the head here.
Moore knew games, the Dreamcast had a shit ton of games considering how long it was on the market for and a lot of good exclusives too. When EA didn't put their sports games on the Dreamcast, he had studios make the 2K sports games that blew the EA games out of the water and made those exclusive. You can see that mindset with the early 360 where it was just exclusive after exclusive including getting timed exclusivity for things like GTA and CoD DLC. Being a PS3gay was suffering when he was in charge.
Phil Spencer bangers of 2023. Now Xbox is going third party in 2024, miss Don Mattrick yet you frickers?
>cultist platform reviews
Miss me with that shit, homosexual.
Mattrick's conference was so bad that all the Xbox people I met through Halo 2 unanimously jumped ship to PC. These were people who had the Xbox down as their primary platform since 2002, who I'd spent thousands of hours with playing games like MechAssault 2, Project Gotham Racing 2, Crackdown, Gears of War etc. The conference was that damaging to the Xbox brand.
Sony recovered the PS3 in 3 years when the Slim came out.
Nintendo gave up on the Wii U then came back swinging with the Switch, most of Switch games are Wii U ports. 5 years turn around.
Xbox can buy both Sony and Nintendo 20 times and not feel it in their wallets. With that much money they have spent 10 years still in their hole and they still point to Don Mattrick as their curse.
Phil Spencer is allowed to fail and get promoted for 10 years.
The thing is MS doesn't see their mistakes, they deny them and double down.
I think it's an internal culture sort of thing, like I think MS actually thinks turning Xbox into a glorified subscription box is actually a good idea. We saw what they thought was a good idea back in 2013 so I wouldn't put it past them that they're just too high on their own shit to know they're fricking up.
>most of Switch games are Wii U ports.
there are like 15 Wii U ports out of a total of ~160 exclusives
Sony was originally bidding on PS5 time exclusivity for Starfield, Microsoft buys their parent company, Zenimax. Now Microsoft turn around and ports it to PS5 for free. What did Phillip Spencer mean by this?
That he is bring more than hope, he's bring games (to PS5)
I have to go to bed because I have to wagecuck tomorrow but I find it really sad that gaming has been declining so hard in the past 10 years.
Yeah we had some good stuff here and there but I fricking hate how bad it's gotten.
You know things are bad when spending $200 for a used copy of Heartgold is worth more than buying a $70 game and then spending the remaining $130 on DLC
Gaming is in a generally healthy place right now but Xbox has been fighting for its life this generation and been trying to figure out some blue ocean they can spread to. And the sad thing for them is there isn't one. And, worse off, Microsoft's corporate practices around shit like contractor labor has infected any attempt or chance they have for building a proper game studio from scratch
nintendo, sony and pc gaming are all super healthy, niche genres are super healthy. it's just xbox that's been starving
I disagree
Sony is sucking hard
Nintendo and PC are the only things doing fine
In terms of sales, they're healthy.
Their games are being budgeted unsustainably, but the actual sales are strong. In theory, they could start to tone down production value and budget without too much of a dip in sales.
I do think there are some major issues in the games industry but the actual state of the games released is pretty healthy
sales are never not going to be healthy, anon
I dunno, that recent Insomniac leak that revealed how much money Sony is putting into their AAAs doesn't indicate a healthy, sustainable future on their end.
>Gaming is in a generally healthy place
are you high
i always want to mention that the xbox one reveal was in 2013 and microsoft of all corporations trying to sell an always online kinect webcam in the same year as the edward snowden NSA leaks was impossible
It should be impossible in any year on the grounds of moral reprehension.
true, but Black person cattle wont make that connection, theyll forget 5 seconds after they see NFL and cod
Surely Phil will get fired now right?
>Xbox bet their console brand on the $299 digital only Series S to sell subscriptions
>Buy a gorillion studios
>do nothing with them but release occasional 4/10 garbage that goes multiplat anyways
>I DON'T UNDERSTAND WE TRIED EVERYTHING WE COULD
Phil Spencer needs to be beaten to unconsciousness with a tire iron
This isn’t a next few years thing either, it’s happening immediately. You’re going to see Xbox games come to PlayStation this year. The console is going to die fast.
>No way is SEGA going to make games for NINTENDO! You're not going to see Sonic high-fiving Mario any time soon!
>No way will Halo: Master Chief Collection appear on Playstation 5!
>No way will Rare Replay appear on Nintendo Swirch!
did it cross their minds that nobody is just going to buy Xboxes anymore since they have no reason to?
Microsoft Gaming has two clearly distinct divisions: Hardware team (Xbox) and the software dev&publisher side (Cuphead was published, Bethesda is a dev). Microsoft CEO gave the Xbox hardware team a deadline to turn things around, Phil Spencer is getting overruled for failing and the second team is running Microsoft gaming. They don't care about the hardware side of Xbox, they just know that selling games makes Microsoft money and by God they are the biggest publisher in the world right now but they bleed money from Phil Spencer's hardware team. Nothing about this helps sell Xbox, but Xbox consoles are outsold 3-1 by PS5 and 10-1 by Switch. The Microsoft software/publisher guys want fricking out of console business by this year.
>they are the biggest publisher in the world right now
My sweet summer child.
Tencent is fricking creepy. China is literally using them as a puppet to take over the world.
>just upgrade your PC, bro!
No thanks, I can buy three Series Xs for the price of one new graphics card, then flip those sonsabitches and buy the newest games while you fiddledeedee with drivers and Denuvo.
People hate on Phil Spencer but I dont think I would have been able to keep Xbox alive after how Mattrick destroyed everything. It's like being handed a shit sandwich and told that you need to sell it to people without having the ability to change things. Phil Spencer tried his best but in the end the Xbox brand was fated to die thanks to Mattrick no matter how much money they spent.
The question stands though - did he really try his best? Spencer's answer was to kill exclusives and pursue the position of gaming's Netflix.
>cancelled promising titles and closed studios that did decent work while keeping dregs like 343
>bought out studios and had them produce garbage
>GAME PASS GAME PASS GAME PASS
>completely abandoning the dudebros from their big titles as well as the indiegays they nurtured due to 360 Arcade
>literally discounted the obvious solution that "great games are not enough"
The man literally snatched victory from the jaws of defeat. He should be summarily executed.
Phil Spencer turned a dead console brand into the biggest game publisher on the planet. He did the best he could but it was either sink as a console brand or thrive as a game publisher and we know what they picked now.
That might have been the plan, but that sure as shit isn't what actually happened.
>biggest game publisher on the planet
Microsoft has frick you money, that is not an accomplishment when they just buy studios, piggyback off them and then dump their asses after Microsoft fails to manage their slaves properly
Bethesda was a bad buy for Microsoft. Zenimax's Fallout 76 and Starfield are Microsoft's problem now, lol.
>cancelled promising titles and closed studios
For all we know, those were trainwrecks behind closed doors.
Phil's best was kill all 1st party titles for ~10 years while promising great games each year that never came. Then sell out your entire catalog for $1 a month for 5 years. And then give up and die. What a hilarious failure
Spencer was given absurdly huge amounts of resources while failing to deliver anything, the final nail in the coffin for xbox was Spencers incompetence
has there been a single good game to come out of Spencer's acquisitions besides Hi-Fi Rush?
psychonauts 2
Wasn't that coming out anyway? I remember a kickstarter, I think
i heard pentiment was good, and i guess people like forza horizon
Microsoft were never players at the table to begin with. Only reason the 360 managed to break into the lower bounds of the big boy table is because RROD was so bad most people were forced to buy two
>Microsoft were never players at the table to begin with.
pc gaming
you are moronic
99% of PC gamers have played on Steam for the last 20 years. And Microsoft doesn't take a cut of that
Reminder that Mattrick absolutely gutted Xbox's studios and destroyed their relationship with third parties in order to poach them for Zynga which he jumped ship to later on.
>Phil got promoted to CEO of Microsoft Gaming when they announced they were going to purchase ABK back in 2022
>Sarah Bond got promoted to Xbox leader after the deal closed in October
>earnings report comes out post ABK acquisition where all the shareholders and execs were creaming themselves over how much they made while hardware sales dropped hard
Hindsight is 20/20 but it's pretty clear now that Microsoft/Xbox/Satonya Nutella knew what exactly what they wanted once they saw ABK were up for grabs.
Makes sense. Call of Duty is the #1 best selling game year on year on year and it primarily makes those sales on PS5 which outsells Xbox 3 to 1. They aren't going to cream themselves over those numbers and then turn around and kil 75% of their sales. Xbox is nearly useless to them. Baggage keeping them from making money
Don't forget Xbox CFO Tim Stuart. He's been on a megaphone for months blasting coded words that Xbox will start porting to Sony and Nintendo.
Would be true if Playstation wasn't dying as well.
Both MS and Sony have the problem that their big budget AAA releases have become way to expensive to justify exclusivity to one platform alone. It's true that XBOX took a big hit from Don Mattricks shenanigans but the end result would have been the same either way - Nobody actually wants to spend 500 bucks on a box just to be able to play games - People wanna play games on whatever is best suited for them and for that multiplatform is key - And again: You cannot have a budget of over 400 million USD and expect 10 million sales to break even on that by selling it on a platform with 50 million active users.
Microsoft realized that quickly - probably due to their shitty situation - but Sony according to the Insomniac leaks plan future day-1 PC releases as well - And in the long run they won't be able to ignore Nintendo either.
And Nintendo are the only company who managed to not be effected by this cause their budgets remained stable. They just upped the prices and people can complain about 70 USD TOTK and 60 USD Mario RPG Remake all they want - this allowed them to continue making games at the usual schedule while Sony only manage to drop like 1-2 first party games a year.
Okay. Bloodborne is never ever going to be on PC.
I believe the problem Xbox has is that there are not good western developers.
They got rid of the duke to appeal to Japan that was the moment xbox lost its way.
They never got rid of it because of Japan. They never even sold there. MS got rid of it because it was widely criticized.
How long before he transitions?
Into unemployment?
he's gonna get ash canned and replaced with sarah bond
screenpost this shot
Sarah Bond will be thrown to the wolves when Microsoft announces their games are coming to PS5 and Switch. She will do this and Phil won't be getting the tomatoes.
Phil Spencer is playing Diablo 4 while the Xbox console brand is deep in its grace. I think Microsoft's higher divisions put a leash on him, they are fine becoming the biggest third party in gaming.
I'm pretty sure the higher ups are running the show now and he's just a figurehead without much input.
>phil spencer has been the boss for a decade with unlimited money to fix things and is somehow not to blame
Phil sounds like he is deflecting but he was kinda right when he says he game was lost from the start. Microsoft fricked up by losing with the XBOX One cause - the most important generation to lose - cause that's when the modern digital platforms established themselves and the PS5 and Series X are hardly actual new generations but rather an extension of the previous one. Back in the old days the cards got mixed again once a cycle was over but here you have two 500 dollar bricks with next to no games who mostly just play ONE/PS4 software. XBOX would have done better if the ONE would have done better and as shitty as the PS5 and its library is - the fact that its an extension of the PS4 helps it passively.
>but he was kinda right when he says he game was lost from the start.
That still doesn't absolve him from being moronic. He could've just did nothing beyond his focus on backwards compatibility & saved a ton of money not buying up worthless studios & paying for shitty exclusives like tomb raider, not made endless promises about games that would never release, could've cut 343 loose rather than letting them continuously damage their brand & not spent a ton of money on the series x hyping it up just for it to be identical to the ps5. He could've skipped all that & the xbox brand would've ended up in the same place they are now with a lot less money pissed away & more goodwill among their customer base.
This one conference is shit is such a hard cope from xbox gays.
SONY HAD THE PS3
NINTENDO HAD THE WII FRICKING U
AND THEY BOTH BOUNCED BACK FROM IT STRONGER THAN EVER
XBOX IS BACKED BY MICROSOFT
THEY LITERALLY HAVE NO EXCUSE
GIVE ME ONE EXCUSE THAT ACTUALLY MAKES SENSE
GO ON THERES NOTHING
well with the ps3 and wiiu those were just expensive or kinda dumb choices
xbox tried to take tangible ownership of the game you bought away
let's not forget all that shit we know about kinect and prism
He was a true believer of Game as a Service I suppose. He thought people was sheeple and just eat the model up while in reality people is fighting for ownership rights to this date.
it was shit from the beginning.
>TV, TV, TV, TV, TV, TV,
>SPORTS, SPORTS, SPORTS, SPORTS, SPORTS,
>Call of Duty, Call of Duty, Call of Duty, Call of Duty, Call of Duty,
You know what else Microsoft fricked up so incredibly hard?
Games for Windows Live. Imagine having the OS 99% OF ALL PC GAMERS use but you didn't have the actual ability to make a proper Windows PC storefront. They could have beaten Steam ages ago but now it'a too fricking late.
It's incredible how many frick ups this moronic company has had.
>Games for Windows Live.
We don't speak of that
yeah lmao
imagine if they made the appstore equivalent of windows ages ago
fricking imagine
their entire gaming division is soft in the head
A shit console can sell as long as it has games. The 360 was a defective piece of trash but it sold because it had games.
Where are the fricking games Phil?
Can someone give me a QRD on why Xbox is dying? All I've seen is a tweet that the CEO is gonna talk about the future of the brand soon. Why are there so many threads acting like it's already dead? Feels inorganic, but maybe I missed something?
t. PS5 / PC owner
>hardware being outsold by the PS5 3:1
>have stopped releasing game pass subscription numbers
>planning on phasing out physical games
And more recently:
>leaked in January that they're planning on porting big games like Sea of Thieves to PS5
>last week, data miners for Hi Fi Rush showed Switch and PS5 assets
>yesterday rumours started that in a few months Xbox will announce they're going to start releasing their games on other consoles
Okay, but how does any of this mean Xbox is dead? Lets not pretend that the golden era of console exclusives isn't long past us. PS3 / 360 had tons of exclusives relative to more modern gens and the PS2 / Xbox before them had even more. My PS5 is practically a paperweight because almost every game I'm interested in also comes to PC. It would be the same case if I had an Xbox One. Is an AA action game, and a 6 year old multiplayer survival game, coming to other consoles, really some sort of deathkneel? I do think it seems like a lot of Xbox's gambles have been bad (starfield sucked ass, and I'm a pretty big Bethgay, at least their older games. Avowed looks eh and I'm an Obsidian gay who loves KOTOR II / FONV and even the Pillars Games. Outer Worlds sucked fat wiener though, and that was the first game they released after M$ acquisition, even though it was in development before that deal went through) The only weighty thing seems to be Xbox being outsold 3:1, that could kill it I suppose.
You're right but Xbox as a console is more or less dead but the brand will live on and thrive from now.
A lot of people on Ganker is still stuck on the old paradigm of console wars.
Ah well, yea I guess so. I always thought M$ focusing on PC was the future anyways. Will be interesting to see what happens.
Microsoft bringing all their games to PC on day one pretty much killed any reason to buy an Xbox console.
>PS5 outselling 3:1
I still don't understand why. The PS5 has no fricking games, and it's been some time since it came out... Sure, the PS4 was lacking in its first year but it quickly got things rolling and then came Bloodborne.
Meanwhile, PS5 has jack shit - Stellar Blade has some potential but it's just one game...
I won several PS5s in the arcades and sold all of them since there's fricking nothing worth playing on it. The fact that the system has a timebomb in the form of a soldered-in SSD also doesn't help.
>I still don't understand why.
It's the only way Jimbo gets hard.
>Stellar Blade has some potential
It's literally Nier Automata, but with a generic DOA character.
>reddit spacing
>shit take
Every time. Go back.
>reddit spacing
lmao, you're telling on yourself and you don't even know it.
Sony has enthralled the normie audiences with their extensive marketing
Phil said it himself: "We lost the biggest console generation there is."
The people who bought a PS5 did so because they were already locked in the PS ecosystem. They want the games they bought last generation on their shiny new toy.
Most people don't buy a console these days for exclusives. PS5 is a better investment than a series X.
How come?
Controllers
>Xbone and XSeries controllers work on both platforms' games (also OG and 360 BC games), whereas Sony stupidly limits DS4 to PS4 games only. The stupid haptic triggers aren't an excuse.
Storage
>Xbox's is modular (requires tinkering with a PC to format though), PS has a soldered-in timebomb, it can use external standard SSDs unlike the proprietary MS module, but the internal SSD is critical for the system to function
Games
>XSX can run discs to play OG+360 BC (limited game selection), Xbone and XSX games, XSS is limited to digital releases - PS can run PS4 discs in disc edition only, forget about any older games
Sub
>Goypass has a shit ton of games to play, and depending on the plan you get the Gold benefits too - PS+ is now tiered and they jacked up the price recently. The game selection is not retroactive (if you didnt have PS+ when a game was available to redeem, you won't get the game if you resub later). Oh, but you get some old PS1 and PS2 games here and there
Savedata
Xbox autosyncs your savedata between consoles when you launch a game and you DON'T need a sub to do so. PS needs PS+ to have cloud sync. You can copy PS4 savedata to/from USB, though. But Sony stupidly (again) doesn't allow this for PS5 saves.
PS5 has worthwhile console exclusives, the only thing that scared Sony was losing Call of Duty revenue
Because games no longer matter, it's a sunk cost due to your library being stuck on playstation ensuring that it's an automatic buy for people on the PS4.
Look at steam vs epic game store. EGS is giving away free games constantly and locked up multiple high quality PC exclusives. What did steam users do? they cried a lot about it and decided to destroy EGS everyway they can on social media and waited a year or two just to play it on steam despite EGS being a launcher a click away. If Xbox moneyhatted and spent 100 billion on exclusives, nobody would swap to them either and they would rather just wait years before playing it on the Playstation. That's with Xbox costing hundreds which is a higher ask than a click away for EGS.
At the end of the day, sunk cost is a huge factor in why someone stays loyal and Xbox lost that battle 10 years ago.
Ah, you do have a point there. Digital library does transfer to the new console (and unlike Nintendo's crappy systems, it works directly, and easliy).
Phil did mention that they lost the most important gen, which was the one where people built their digital libraries. I prefer physical all the way, though. I still haven't forgotten about what they did to P.T.
>EGS is giving away free games constantly and locked up multiple high quality PC exclusives.
Their launcher sucks ass, arbitrarily forcing people to use said shitty launcher because the company paid for exclusivity does the opposite of engendering good will among consumers. As for xbox, microsoft hasn't released any game worth a damn in over a decade & worse has pushed anti consumer policies then has continuously made broken promises & let 343 destroy the one popular franchise they have. It's not like phil has ever tested his theory about good games, meanwhile the switch's exclusives sell like hotcakes which goes against what he's saying. Since the second half of the 360s life to now the xbox brand has been associated with being a 3rd party machine. Right now there's no reason to own an xbox outside of backwards compatibility, getting access to current gen games for cheap via the series s or gamepass & none of those things are have mass appeal or provide any compelling reason to choose xbox over playstation outside of niche cases.
>It's not like phil has ever tested his theory about good games
It's easy to prove it. You said the switch's exclusives sell like hotcakes and yet the Wii U with the exact same high quality exclusives failed to move any consoles. Yet when the games got ported to a cooler trendier console, they sold multiple millions despite nothing fundamentally changing about the games since they were just ports.
At the end of the day, exclusives and games do not matter at all anymore and consumers will not buy a new console just to play exclusives like they did in previous console generations. The switch was simply cooler, trendier and had better marketing and thus it sold more and games that flopped on the Wii U went on to become mega sellers.
I use both Steam and Epic Games. Steam is just a much better app with more features, while Epic breaks constantly.
Yes definitely true that steam offers a better service but you would think that Epic spending billions every year would see some shift in userbase even if it's a small fraction. Instead they barely gained any users after years of losses. Microsoft can spend 100 billion dollars on two console generations and barely see an increase in console sales at this point. It's a sad fact.
App functionality and features is more important than fricking Alan Woke 2.
>still don't understand why. T
PS5 visual design and Sony name behind it.
PS5 looks premium comparing to xbox. It looks posh. People may say looks doesn't matter but they do.
Half of the people buying consoles don't actually play games.
They either normies caving to social pressure (gaming is normies thing now). "Do you have new Playstation. Ofc I do!"
Or they are mom's buying for their kids and they think: "how this shit would look in the living room in the middle of the attention right it TV" PS5 looks posh, like designer trinket these Mom's buy to decorate living rooms. Sony decision to go with pretencious visual desing was the best decision of the last decade.
It's actually worse than 3:1. The leaks revealed that 75% of Xbox sales are Series S consoles. So the PS5 is outselling the Series X by a massive margin, and Microsoft has been keeping appearances by selling a budget product. Their flagship product has been getting Dreamcasted all along.
Even then, early on during this gen the Xbox Series S/X was selling on par with the PS5, but things have only gotten worse as mismanagement of studios led to not having any relevant games on launch, and then released disappointing games like Halo Infinite, Redfall and Starfield.
Sony has always had better reputation than Microsoft, and PlayStation is still a worthwhile brand with praise-worthy games, at least according to the Dorito Pope awards. Meanwhile Xbox destroyed their own brand ages ago, and it only gets worse with each new debacle and controversy.
https://twitter.com/IdleSloth84_/status/1754361009215541532
decent summary, they can't move hardware basically.
>- Xbox One was more wanted than Series consoles.
What? How come? Kinect?
no gaems
they were riding the wave from the success of the 360 and it actually had exclusives the first couple of years. arguably better ones than the ps4 initially but the xbox one sales flatlined pretty quickly so the ps4 outsold it over 2:1. the series x is getting outsold 3:1 now and even the switch outsold it this holiday season. and the series x was $350 with diablo 4 included, the same price as an oled switch.
>360 and it actually had exclusives
not just exclusives but the birthplace of so many IPs
I can't name one successful new ip that xbox has anymore. They outright refuse to take a single risk
Xbone actually had a lot of good exclusives the first year or 2 which kept it relatively close with PS4 early on.
Series basically not having shit for almost 2 years killed it out the gate.
It actually got a pandemic boost too because the Series S was readily available and it's still underperforming. Once the PS5 stock issues stopped being a thing, this gen was over.
>xbox isn’t making consoles anymore so they can buy more game developers
YESSS they’re buying sega!!!!
There needs to be a sticky when they announces their death either this Monday morning or this week.
>still blaming Donny D
Phil had a decade to fix xbox and did jack shit. Playstation and Nintendo were able to recover from the ps3 and win u in half the time. Matrick at least made sure the xbone had games at launch.
Will a post-Xbox in the console market world make for a better or shittier Ganker?
Shit PlayStation now has a monopoly on console gaming. and no the switch doesn’t count because the average gamer isn’t a manbaby
>t.
PlayStation was around before Xbox was even an idea, and PlayStation will be around long after Xbox is on anyone's mind.
Don't frick with the Japanese when it comes to tech, because you're going to lose.
>Don't frick with the Japanese when it comes to tech, because you're going to lose.
You realize Koreans are raping them right?
>Don't frick with the Japanese when it comes to tech
are you real right now
the same people who didn't get ac until the fricking 60s?
the same people who kept making 8 track players into the 90s?
the same japan that cannot into pc ports of (literally any game they try it with)
>Don't frick with the Japanese when it comes to tech, because you're going to lose.
Don't laugh, I think he is mental disabled.
bring them back
>10 years ago the Xbone Kinect was the pinnacle of technology
It's absolutely insane how fast technology goes.
What’s this mean for my series x 🙁
immediately devalued, potential to become a collectors item in the future (last xbox to take discs)
You bought console with a disc drive with no physicals to buy.
For me it's when you can see Spencer physically cringe after he says the price along with about 6 seconds of audible silence from the crowd.
I miss when xbox games had large functioning communities.
halo gears cod and rainbow six should have been the only games allowed on the system to have online multiplayer, now every dev and their sister thinks they're a super special boy and can have an online scene for their literal who game and it splits up xbox users to such a degree that online games feel dead as frick now with no one talking
xbox party chat was anathema to the social aspect of playing and should never have happened
I remember 360 online before party chat. People having private chats in front of everyone, children being shouted at by their parents, some guy grunting, babies crying.
I don't miss it.
all that shit was raw and i loved it. You got a dose of humanity every time you started matchmaking in something. Some random could jump into a spur of the moment conversation about gundam or some shit and make genuine friends. You could tell the homosexual playing music his shit sucked before killing him and have a back and forth that lasted the entire match
it wasn't as secluded, curated, protected, and sterilized as it is now. Its like having a dog before and after getting fixed. The light in the little fricker's eyes just disappeared.
The chat in rainbow six, gears of war & fighting games like soul calibur was fun as frick people would just shoot the shit & crack jokes, cod & halo was where all the morons congregated.
xbox died the moment they decided the first thing i needed to see on my xbox dashboard were fricking ads
Remember. There was a time when Halo had literally 1M people playing at the same time back in the 00s. That shit was UNTHINKABLE back then. Only games like WoW were able to pull that off.
How do you fall this hard?
Remember the Halo 2 launch?
TAKE ME BAAAAAAAAACK
God was that the era when Xbox seemed to be even bigger than the other two consoles?
all those people calling xbox dead more than adecade ago because of the halo flubs
they were all correct
Halo 3's early days were as close to a religion as i think any brand can get. homies were out there chanting the ost's chorus on launch day. Online voice chat were constant dicussions of strats, campaign secrets, scheduling play times, achivement hunting, machinimagays were machinimagayging
perfect social harmony and all it took was one good ass game
>How do you fall this hard?
put a woman in charge of your biggest franchise for an entire decade
>xbox one
>not actually the first system
what a moronic naming policy
Every year we hear the same phrase “this is the year of Xbox” only for it to never deliver, and now finally the rent is due. A console is only as strong as its flagship, Halo is 6 feet under and every Xbox product under it (redfall, starfield, etc.) is a reflection of that blunder. The Xbox brand will live but the console is dead.
Xbox should've never existed in the first place, Microsoft should've been Steam.
I can't imagine a timeline where Microsoft actually bought Steam and Valve.
They'd run that store to the ground as well.
As an xbro, i'm worried about the future.
I have a huge library of Gwg games, backwards compatible games, and xbox games. If they stop making consoles, my entire library just gets robbed and raped to death. I never gave a shit about console wars, theres room enough for everyone, but this is fricked.
I've always been physical, so my digital library is small. My only sadness is coming from all my achievements. Some dating back 15 years ago I've unlocked.
Xbox stopped competing basically. In xbox one era they still tried with timed exclusives,marketing deals,dlcs,new stuff granted most of were mediocre and not cinegay shit that normies love but
in xbox series and gamepass and all games pc basically diminished brand. While Sony and Nintendo got only more stronger and confident.
They shouldnt have never release their game day one on PC.
They should have kept making dudebro games.
day 1 pc and gay 1 gp were both major mistakes. i think in principle they were solid and great ideas to try to get more customers but the customers don't give a frick. look at epic game store, they buy exclusivity and give away tons of free games and have fortnite but no one on pc really cares. it's costs nothing to download it and get free games instead of needing to buy an xbox and people STILL refuse to do it, if pcgays want a game for free then they pirate. if customers want to spend money on games, they buy playstation. so all that's left is an ecosystem where no one is buying their hardware and the ones that do don't buy software because of gp. their plans backfired like crazy.
The day 1 PC shit I don't even understand.
It just made Steam even more powerful with no benefit whatsoever to Xbox outside of getting money. Steam's foothold on people is even so strong that even day 1 gamepass deals barely make a dent on their customer buying habits.
yeah, i think steam is legitimately what killed xbox. not only do you have people becoming pcgays instead of buying an xbox because of the day 1 pc releases but starfield made more money on steam than on xbox and gp. the cfo and ceo have to see that and go "yeah, let's do that on the switch and playstation as well".
both microsoft and sony were dumb for boosting valve as much as they did but at least sony staggers their pc releases. if microsoft stops them, it'd be suicide as shown by starfield. the day 1 pc releases are very obviously what led microsoft down the road to going full third party.
Not even that. Steam basically eternally BODIED Microsoft from ever making an allstore equivalent for Windows.
No one will ever use the Windows store because of Steam.
Microsoft could have competed as Games for Windows Live was around at the same time as Steam was beginning to take off.
But like all things Microsoft touches, they fricked it up.
I dont think Microsoft could have competed that well tbh. The amount of headaches for dev teams to port on a console and the PC at the time was too much of a hassle.
And PC was basically Blizzard and Valve territory. Valve especially completely dominated during the Source Engine era which pretty much singlehandedly became the backbone for Steam in the 00s and let them weather most of the "PC IS DEAD" diatribe back then. Microsoft had no chance to compete with golden age Valve even with Halo.
I doubt Microsoft would have gained any ground even if you went back in time to tell them to focus on games for windows. Mostly because people didnt trust microsoft at all back then and even if they did gain a significant share of the PC games market, they would be sued to death by the EU for having a games monopoly on Windows.
Someone at Windows probably knows that they would get turbo sued if they tried to monopolize PC software once again. The guys making Edge and Game Pass for PC probably didn't get the memo.
Its not just Steam though. PC parts have become more affordable and building your own PC is simpler than ever. There is also tons of F2P games like League of Legends and Fortnite that have as many users as all Steam players.
>PC parts have become more affordable and building your own PC is simpler than ever.
This is blatantly false
You have to go back to the early 2000s where Microsoft sold the Xbox precisely by making a high-end PC sold at a much cheaper price. Also back then a lot of consoles games were just not on PC.
This is still the case
Compare PS2 and PC libraries of the time.
I meant the cost part. Still cheaper to buy a console today.
It used to be like a PC would cost double or triple than a comparable console. Right now you can buy a PC on par with the PS5 for around the same price.
Without even the gpu which by itself would cost 400€, you still have all the other parts which total at least 400€ more.
Cpu 250€
Motherboard 250€
Ram 100€
Case 70€
Psu 150€
Gpu 400€
>keeps posting on yuropean currency
importing from USA would cost a lot more dummy
I don't live in the USA but I don't care about Yurop or your meme currency.
OK? It's still cheaper to buy a console here.
That GPU is on par with a PS5 and it costs half of what you claimed it costs.
6600 xt is on average 500€ here and it doesn't include the rest of the components
Should move to a less shit country then.
That would be even more expensive
Starfield probably sold like one or two million copies on Steam at a $100 early access price tag. That probably made more money than any Game Pass subs they gained for putting Starfield on there.
couldn't you pay $30 for the early access on xbox if you already had a gp sub? as opposed the $100 price tag on steam? that's such a major difference in revenue between the 2 platforms.
Day 1 gamepass is also moronic, mainly starfield. They lost out on millions of sales because Xbox players who already have the pass just get it for free. Not to mention zero ps5 sales and the minuscule hunger there was for it on pc. I can’t imagine how pisspoor the revenue is for that game.
I think that would have been ok IF Starfield was good. It would have brought in new gamepass subs. And many of them would have stayed on.
But it was not in fact good and it just let millions of people see for themselves that the game is not fun.
Relying on one game to become as big as GTAV out of nowhere is probably not a great strategy.
So finally it's over? This time really? You guys keep saying this for years, this time it's for real?
Sadly, it seems so. I actually wish it wasn't the case, but the writing seems to be on the wall now.
Maybe if Halo Infinite lived up to what it was supposed to be and released with the console it may have stood a chance
Xbox started to lose when Call of Duty went from Xbox to Playstation (for their esports). Simple as.
Zoomers might not understand but CoD used to be that big, to make or break an entire console.
its not just call of duty but sony basically got all marketing back from FIFA,NBA,Street Fighter,Mortal kombat etc. Anything they lost association with PS3/360 era from their core franchises like FF,Tekken,MGS,GTA plus they added new dudebro shit like Last of us,spider man, nugod of war all were made to please dudebros like "WE ARE PLAYING A MOVIE"
Dudebros might occassionally play other titles which happens to be cinematic movie like games that are very easy to play and have good gfx
Sony played their hand very good by abandoning quirky japanese shit,multiplayer games they were failing and just focusing on a few ultra graphic games with dad stories
The right man in the wrong place can make all the difference in the world.
Microsoft will buy steam when gayben dies.
Gaben is just a spokesperson and has been for more than ten years now
One of the saddest things I've ever seen in my life was some poor middle aged woman in a Best Buy paid by Microsoft to demo the Kinect. She's just standing there trying to meet your sales goals on a device she knows is a POS.
I felt so bad for her, I talked a bit about it to her. Not enough to actually buy it.
boomerang controller too, with the booth babes in shiny white leather bandeaus and miniskirts, they couldnt have that now
What are you talking about, someone pls explain it to me pls
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